Report: Williams is A&M's Top Target

Billy Kennedy won't be back to coach the Aggies and Buzz Williams is reportedly their top target.

A&M's top target is expected to be Virginia Tech coach Buzz Williams, a native Texan and a former A&M assistant under Billy Gillispie from 2004-06.

https://m.chron.com/sports/aggies/article/Texas-A-M-s-Billy-Kennedy-won-...

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#sauces Buzz knew about this decision a few weeks ago.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

I agree. He proved he could do it in the ACC so there's nothing left for him here. His core guys will be gone also.

Now he gets to be back in Texas and will get paid more. It was a great run.

I meant he already knew this decision was coming. Talks had already been started.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

"Talks" of what nature?

What has he actually proven?

I'm not saying he owes VT anything, but he also hasn't really proven anything significant, yet.

Are you talking about Buzz?

Yes. VT has been to the first round of the NCAA tournament before Buzz.

The job isn't done.

This really reads as sour grapes.

What has he actually proven?

  1. This discounts what he accomplished at Marquette.
  2. He inherited a Tech program that was so far in the basement there wasn't enough oxygen to sustain a dumpster fire. Now Tech's poised to go dancing for the third straight season, that's a first for the Hokies.
  3. There's not a bone in my body that doesn't believe given the time he would have plenty of NCAA success. It's coming here, or it's not, depending on whether or not he stays as coach.

Totally agree this whole program was in the toilet before he came here. Resurrecting a program from what we were while handling the rigors of the ACC is amazing. In regards to tournament wins they're crapshoots. You lose until you win and it's pretty random

Well, or you win until you lose.

UVa tried the "lose until you win" strategy last year, and it didn't pay off.

This really reads as sour grapes.

One thing's for sure, if Buzz leaves us, it's gonna feel like a GIANT uppercut to the family grapes.

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That's all I'm trying to say.

I don't want VT's grapes cut.

This really reads as sour grapes.

What has he actually proven?

This discounts what he accomplished at Marquette.
He inherited a Tech program that was so far in the basement there wasn't enough oxygen to sustain a dumpster fire. Now Tech's poised to go dancing for the third straight season, that's a first for the Hokies.
There's not a bone in my body that doesn't believe given the time he would have plenty of NCAA success. It's coming here, or it's not, depending on whether or not he stays as coach.

If it reads as sour grapes, it's being taken out of context. I was responding to

He proved he could do it in the ACC so there's nothing left for him here.

I'm not talking about his record at Marquette. I'm talking about his record at VT, and in the ACC.

I appreciate his success at VT. He's a great coach. What I'm saying, though, is that if he left VT basketball today, he'd be leaving a job half done.

While Weaver did his best to dismantle the program (apparently because Seth Greenberg didn't go to his picnic), this isn't the first time in the history of VT basketball the team has made it to the NCAA tournament. Yes, making it into the tournament three times in a row is an accomplishment of sorts for the program, but come on, that can't possibly be the real accomplishment, can it? Both Williams and VT have been to the first round of the tournament.

I'm not trying to be critical of Buzz at all. I'm just saying that from my perspective, If Buzz were to leave after going to the dance three years in a row, he wouldn't have changed the status of VT basketball from the perspective of the ACC and college basketball. Buzz is on the cusp of something really special at VT, but to take VT to a new level of NCAA basketball success, he'll have to stay a bit longer.

And I don't care to say "well, if he'd stayed longer we could have been a contender". If he stays and makes VT a contender, then we'll write songs about him. But in sports there is no "we'd have been great if only we'd have done that". They don't give awards for what might have been.

Ok. I can agree with this.

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Apologies if I lost the context of your reply.

I'm just saying that from my perspective, If Buzz were to leave after going to the dance three years in a row, he wouldn't have changed the status of VT basketball from the perspective of the ACC and college basketball.

The crux of the argument seems misguided though. Before Buzz, Tech was the worst program in the conference. Now it's competitive with the top of the league. That's an actual change or results (see: standings). ACC fans and pundits are no longer dismissive of Tech and have a healthy respect for the program. That's a perception change.

But VT basketball has been competitive in the ACC before. Buzz took it from dumpster to where it's been before, and this year was supposed to be a little better yet. We've never won the ACC regular season or tournament. We've never been a real threat to make a NCAA run. I agree that Buzz would be leaving it half done, but I think that's from a respectful place, meaning that we believe he would accomplish those things if he stayed.

took it from dumpster to where it's been before

When was the last time Tech went to the dance 3 consecutive years? or finished with 20+ wins in 3 consecutive years?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I know the answer to that first one, but the second one seemed possible so I took a look: Charlie Moir led VT to 5 consecutive 20+ win seasons from 1981 - 1986.

Greenberg came very close with 4 20+ win seasons and a 19 win season in a stretch from 2006 - 2011.

Hey nothing like waiting 35 years between marginal stretches of success.

Spoiled fanbase, amirite?

I can't wait for this to be the Eagles again /ducks

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Doesn't Gettleman have another All-Pro to trade away?

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

Fun Fact: the only first team all-pro that Dave Gettleman traded away was Snacks Harrison at the deadline. We also don't have any left on the roster.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Hey nothing like waiting 35 years between marginal stretches of success.

Was Seth Greenberg really that long ago?

Probably seems that way to some, who also think it has been almost forever since VT had a winning season in football.

While I agree the perception has changed for now - I don't know if that's a permanent change. The ACC has always been dominated by Carolina and Duke - with UVA a latecomer to that dominance. Other programs catch lightning in a bottle occasionally and can contend for the title for a year (Miami), but sustained success has been limited to very few programs.

Buzz has the capability to change that narrative to add VT to the perennial contenders list - but we are not there yet.

The crux of the argument seems misguided though. Before Buzz, Tech was the worst program in the conference. Now it's competitive with the top of the league. That's an actual change or results (see: standings). ACC fans and pundits are no longer dismissive of Tech and have a healthy respect for the program. That's a perception change.

The crux of the argument is intended to be that Buzz hasn't (yet) changed the perception of VT basketball. The other powers in the ACC think of VT as a middling basketball presence, and it's going to take more than three years of making it to the dance to change the overall perception of VT basketball.

Seth Greenberg got VT to the dance. His teams beat UNC and Duke here and there. The media and other coaches in the ACC are aware of that. But if VT wants to threaten the basketball powers in the ACC, it needs to happen more often and more consistently. VT needs to be a perennial tournament threat in the ACC and NCAA.

Don't get me wrong, Buzz has done a lot, and I think he's a great coach for VT with a tremendous amount of potential. If he sticks around, I think he can get there. But VT's record under James Johnson wasn't the norm for VT basketball. VT has had basketball success at this level before, and was a decent program in the past.

I'm not knocking Buzz for what he's done at VT. On the contrary, I'd like Buzz to stay and see this job through to the end, but what I'm saying is that the job isn't complete yet. If that wasn't clear from my initial posts, I'm hoping this clarifies my thoughts on this.

What has he actually proven?

In five seasons, he took a team from back to back last place finishes to fifth place in what is far and away the toughest basketball conference in the country.

What other coaches have similar accomplishments?

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Totally agree. To say he hasn't proven anything yet lacks context and feels more like uneducated hyperbole. This comment needs to be re-evaluated from the perspective of 2011-2014.

Buzz has quite possibly done one of the best coaching jobs in D1 since he was hired if viewed in totality. 4 straight last place finishes to 3 straight tournaments. I'd call that an accomplishment of significance

Y'all are taking the comments out of context.

The post he replied to said,

He proved he could do it in the ACC so there's nothing left for him here.

I'm pretty sure the argument is not at all that Buzz hasn't proven anything, but that there's still quite a bit left that he could prove (i.e. double bye, regular season ACC champ, ACC tourney champ, NCAA tourney victory, sweet 16, etc.).

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Thank you for this.

The notion that Buzz - and us as fans - can feel comfortable moving on because he "accomplished something" is mind-boggling.

Forgive me if I don't think regular-season finishes of 7th, 7th, and 5th and back-to-back first-round exits in the NCAA tourney is some sort of great accomplishment. Friendly reminder that he took Marquette to 2 Sweet 16's and an Elite 8. Marquette.

Frankly, I'm kind of bummed that the consensus on here is that Buzz's time here is "mission accomplished" and that we should all stand on the pier chanting his name and waving as he sails off to College Station.

Has he improved our program? Undeniably. Do we have more room to grow? Absolutely. Is Texas A&M a step down in every sense (current program prestige, strength of conference, etc) except the paycheck? Yyyyyes. I get it if he just wants to go home, but don't tell me it's because he got something monumental done in Blacksburg so it's off to a new challenge.

If he leaves, I hope our next coach - and our fan base - has higher aspirations.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

That he can take a team at the absolute pits of the nations best conference to the top 25% of the league and 3 NCAA tournaments in a row in short order. Have you ever watched a basket ball game yet?

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Buzz Williams is a weird guy. I love him, but he's definitely weird.

Predicting where he'll go next, or if he'll leave at all, is more of a crap-shoot than most.

But, College Station is ~3.5 hours from his home town, the SEC is getting better at basketball by the day, A&M's budget is #2 in the country ($212M in Revenue, compared to our $87M), and there's a decent chance that NAW and/or KBJ could be gone after this year.

I'm worried.

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Right on all 3 counts. No way we match the $$ but to point #2 who knows?

KBJ could be gone after this year

If Buzz leaves for A&M, I wouldn't be shocked if KBJ grad transfers to A&M.

Don't say things like that!

and what would the odds be of keeping Nolley?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I mean, that's poor optics at its best, Nolley never becoming eligible at its worst.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Fox's career - (legitimate and illegitimate) - is built on being friends with and having close relationships with influential people throughout the basketball / sporting world. It's his job to "know the right people", and that includes a lot of top NCAA coaches.

I am not worried too much at this point that he associates himself with an excellent coach like Buzz Williams. I will be keeping an eye on developments in Fox's case though.

Definitely a bad look but I find it hard to believe Buzz would have that guy sitting with the team if he knew that he fixed exams while one of our players is under investigation. That's incredibly stupid.

Now, Cole, when you shift the gear and that little needle on the tach goes into the red and reads 9000 RPMs, that's bad!

Buzz hasn't won the ACC or NCAA tournaments, so he hasn't proven he can do it in the ACC.

Are your posts intended to be serious?

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Yes.

What has he actually accomplished in the ACC?

I think he's a great coach, and recruits well, but he hasn't made it past the first round of the NCAA tournament at VT. So I'm not grasping the concept of "he has proven everything he came to prove in the ACC". Seth Greenberg made it to the first round of the NCAA tournament.

As much as I love Williams, he has to stick around at VT long enough to take them further than they've been before, and he hasn't done that yet.

His record stands up to the scrutiny, but I agree that if this is the end of Buzz's time, the lack of ACC hardware and banners in the rafters makes it hard for me to say he has proven himself in the ACC. I still think he is the best coach for VT and with time would be hanging some banners in Cassell.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Yeah, he's only produced 4 straight 20 win seasons (which has only happened one other time in school history), 10 wins in the ACC four years in a row (Seth Greenberg had two seasons of 10 ACC wins in his entire tenure) three straight NCAA tournaments (first time in school history) and the best recruiting classes we've ever had.

Demanding a Sweet 16 of a coach that is in his fifth year, from a school that has literally done that one time in its entire history is completely absurd.

Were you paying attention during the James Johnson years?

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I see what you are saying but:
SG did win a NCAA tournament game;
SG's teams were hosed by the selection committee (see Wake AD) for inclusion in the NCAA in other years;
SG had to recruit through 4-16;
SG did not have the same investment by the athletic department during his tenure (see asst. coach salary and no practice facility when he arrived).

I am not dismissive on Buzz's accomplishments (and appreciate all he is doing for VT) but I think he has only been incrementally better that SG as of 3-12-19. Most importantly, there is recent precedent for a reasonable level of success in VT hoops as long as the hire is a good one.

Unfortunately, for VT there are 2 misses to 1 quality coach hiring.

Seth is irrelevant.

The below is a factually incorrect statement:

he hasn't proven he can do it in the ACC.

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How is having SG produce quality results irrelevant? It impacts the impression potential replacements have regarding potential success and expectations of the VT hoops program.

If Buzz does leave (I am not in any way advocating for this), 2 of the previous 3 coaches would have achieved reasonable success at VT.

Obviously (as a season ticket holder since the mid 90s), I would like to see a Sweet 16 VT team but the good Buzz and the good SG years have been fun.

I didn't say Buzz he hasn't proven he can do it in the ACC but he hasn't proven that his program is better that Duke, UNC or UVAs. Fortunately, that was not my measuring stick for Buzz's success.

Nonetheless, he has not won the ACC in any manner (as of today). As much as Duke and UNC have inherent advantages, UVA has shown the value of the right coach at the right time at the right place.

The OP suggested that Buzz hadn't proven anything, which is flat wrong.

He's proven that he can win in the ACC.

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I thought that you were putting that statement on me. I appreciate all that Buzz has and continues to do for VT. I am happy to continue to support the program and hope others do too.

I just want to make sure that there is the perspective that VT hoops has been of modest quality under Bill Foster, Seth Greenberg & Buzz Williams. The sad part is how bad it has been under Bobby Hussey, Ricky Stokes & James Johnson.

Who knows, maybe Buzz or the next coach (whoever and whenever it is) can take VT to the next level.

Fair.

I'm just amazed that anyone is critical of his success.

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I am not trying to be critical in the least. I spend real money supporting this team and have not always recouped a full and fair value from the performance on the court during 50% of the coach's tenures. These past 3 years have been good ones.

I think we both want a winning basketball program at VT and have similar metrics to evaluate success.

I also am not criticizing his success.

I'm just saying that in terms of VT basketball, it's too soon for Buzz to leave VT basketball. He has NOT done for VT basketball what Beamer did for VT football.

It's the same as when a big recruit chooses another school...we didn't really need him, not a great fit, not as good as advertised...it's just starting early on this one

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Nonetheless, he has not won the ACC in any manner (as of today). As much as Duke and UNC have inherent advantages, UVA has shown the value of the right coach at the right time at the right place.

UVA has significant advantages as well. JPJ is an amazing venue, their athletic budget is larger etc. Not to mention Tony Bennett was sub .500 in ACC play in his first two years, lost in the first round in 2012 and missed the NCAAs in 2013. He's absolutely the right coach/right time/right place but it took him a while to build the juggernaut that UVA basketball has become.

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You can not place Buzz's effort at VT on par with Bennett at UVA; he did build a juggernaut. I am impressed with all that Bennett has done in Hooville but this is not my standard for Buzz.

Most of this discussion comes down to
I am happy with Buzz;
I am optimistic that Buzz can lead his team to higher levels than his previous 4 years at VT;
If Buzz leaves VT, all is not lost and good times in VT hoops can still be had in the future.

I'm not disagreeing with you man, I'm disagreeing with Vtkey.

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It's all good.

Again - the comparison to TB lacks context. He took over a better program at the time of his hiring (2009) and has been the coach twice as long.

Give Buzz 5 more years and then call me. You could easily argue Buzz has done a better job than TB given what TB had to start with vs Buzz.

But all of this is based on the resumption that Buzz is gone after 2 more Hokie losses not what he will do in the next 4 seasons. This is based on the OP premise that Buzz has not proven all there is to prove in the ACC. There are no banners (yet).

Great coaching ✔️
Great improvement when compared to predecessor ✔️
Won all there is to win for an ACC basketball program ❌

If Buzz stays in Blacksburg (& I hope he does), I have no intention on placing an upper limit on the success I hope he brings the VT basketball program.

I am not dismissive on Buzz's accomplishments (and appreciate all he is doing for VT) but I think he has only been incrementally better that SG as of 3-12-19.

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SG took a program that didn't qualify to compete in the Big East Basketball Tournament in each of Ricky Stokes' seasons to a team that won in the opening round of the NCAA.

That is not a joke. Many on this site like to talk about how bad the program was for Buzz but it was as bad when SG took over.

Greenburg brought us to a slightly higher peak, but was inconsistent at best. Buzz has shown steady progress each year. SG earned a single NCAA bid in 9 seasons. Buzz will earn his third in five this season. SG won 10 ACC games twice in 9 seasons. Buzz is has done it four times in five seasons.

Sure, SG's single peak accomplishment was higher than Buzz's to date. I still just don't understand how you can look at this and say Buzz has been only ' incrementally better' that SG.

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Because SG's teams performed well for multiple years.

06-07: T 3th in ACC (NCAA 2nd Round)
07-08: 4th in ACC
08-09: T 7th in ACC
09-10: T 3rd in ACC
10-11: T 4th in ACC

It was not a singular good year.
Everyone would be irate if a team that finished 4th in the ACC regular season was left out of the NCAA Tournament.

Those were good years and Cassell was filled.
Yes Greenberg's production dropped at the end of his tenure but he did produce at a high level for VT.

That was the ACC pre-Syracuse, Notre Dame, Pitt and which were all pretty good programs pre-ACC and during down years for UVA and UNC. The SG teams weren't playing the same quality teams there are now

I know, the ACC pre 2013 was filled with programs that sucked. 3rd & 4th in that league was easy as pie (or a piece of cake depending on your favorite).
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The ACC went through a down time when VT was finishing fourth under SG and not making the tournament. There's a reason why no fourth place ACC team had failed to make the tourney until then.

Don't misunderstand. I think he's a great coach. I didn't expect a sweet sixteen in five years. He's also my dream coach for VT.

But we can't really say he's "proven something in the ACC" during his time at VT, can we? Three appearances in a row is great for VT, but it's not really that amazing by ACC standards.

Part of proving something is seeing it through, and from my perspective, he's not quite there yet.

But what is it by VT standards?

And if a school like TA&M wants him and will pay for him, he has definitely proved himself to the right people.

Now, Cole, when you shift the gear and that little needle on the tach goes into the red and reads 9000 RPMs, that's bad!

I'm talking about Buzz's standard.

He came to VT to prove something - that he could make it in the ACC. Can he? He'll need to stick it out a bit longer at VT if he intends to prove that.

His trajectory is good, but if he leaves VT now, he hasn't really proven anything.

But we can't really say he's "proven something in the ACC" during his time at VT, can we?

Yes, we absolutely can.

He has completely turned the program around.

He should have won ACC COY this year, after the season he had without his best recruit, his 6th man, and only getting a partial year from his PG.

Suggesting that a season that does not end in an ACC Championship is a failure, in a conference with UNC, Duke, and UVA is an insanely high standard that is unfair to apply to VT basketball.

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I think we are also establishing in this thread that 4th in the ACC and a little better success postseason (this year?) is about as good as it will get for this program.

I don't think its fair to expect this program to be consistently above that mark.

We could certainly have a great year and win the ACC but...its the ACC.

Expecting *anyone* to consistently win the conference at any school outside of Duke/UNC and unfortunately now UVA is an insane standard.

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UVa hasn't even gotten there yet.

I think Buzz is the best coach we've had as well but it's worth pointing out that the ACC added 2 games to the conference schedule after Greenberg. Greenberg likely would have won 10 conference games 4 times as well with 18 games.

Buzz was the 19th highest paid coach as of last year. If Whit is willing to pay top 20 money for another coach, I think it's completely possible VT can achieve similar success.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Thats all great. Buzz is great. The team has inspired much hope.

That being said....lets not settle for pretty good. There is more work to be done here.

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Buzz still has 3 more years to best his 5 straight NCAA appearances from the Big East, and counting this year, 3 years to best his 3 straight Sweet 16s with the Big East

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Exactly, and I'd like to see another sweet sixteen appearance for VT. (Made it there in 1967, so we're in sort of a drought as far as that's concerned.)

Dude, if we were at full strength this year (Jrob, CC, and Nolley) we EASILY could have been a top 3-4 team in th ACC and a 26-27 win team. And despite all that, we still have had a very good season so far. With a program history such as VT's how much more can you ask for at the moment?

So how do we think this will play out?

Think his job here is done and he moves on? Or does he still want to stay here? Can Whit make a big play for his extension?

Buzz will use it as leverage to get him and his assistants and the program more resources like he did in 2017 when he was offered the Ohio State job.

Always choose joy.

This response is literally perfect.

He's gone.

It would be hard to turn down the money that A&M could offer, so no surprise if he goes.

If that's the case, I will thank him for three straight trips to the Dance and leaving us in a position where Whit can attract a talented replacement.

Yea A&M has fuck you money, but I don't think Buzz cares about money

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

Possibly, but whether or not he cares about home is more important to consider.

I don't know, when you hear Buzz talk, he talks about competing in the best basketball conference against the best coaches and programs. That is and always will be the ACC.

Also Have to remember Buzz's kids are getting to that age where staying put makes sense.

Also Have to remember Buzz's kids are getting to that age where staying put makes sense.

This - so much this. Blacksburg is a great place to raise a family, and the one ace in the hole that VT has in terms of retaining coaches. I have to think that played a role in Frank not leaving at some point.

Buzz seems to be a family guy - so the disruption of uprooting his kids and moving again as they get older may outweigh more money.

College Station is a pretty cool place too.

My two cents... if I were Buzz, and Texas A&M rolled up at the airport with the band and yelling practice or whatever they do, and parked the Brinks Truck out front, I'd leave in a heartbeat and take as many players as I wanted with me.

Buzz has no connection to Blacksburg other than a job. A&M would be going home. Home is where the heart is. (And it wouldn't hurt if home was also where a multi-million dollar raise would be.)

As far as the kids... If I told my kids when they were in the middle of high school we were moving, they'd probably be upset. However, if I told them that daddy was REALLY rich now, and I would make their wildest dreams come true, I think they'd dry those tears up lickety-split.

Leonard. Duh.

He's already REALLY rich. At his level of income, more money adds prestige and bragging rights, but his and his family's lives are already unbounded by money. If there's one aspect of Buzz's personality I would state confidently, it's that he doesn't care how other people see him or judge his success. For that reason, I don't know if the money matters all the much. Going home may or may not matter; that's a deeply personal question, and likely hinges most on where his extended family now lives. But I wouldn't assume that everyone in the world wants to live where they were born. Especially when you've reached a level of wealth that a cross-country direct plane flight is the monetary equivalent of most of us buying a cup of coffee.

I believe Buzz has actually waxed a bit in an interview about one day going back to Texas.

Leonard. Duh.

I think Buzz wants an ACC championship. I think that is the pinnacle to him when it comes to basketball coaching. I think it is 50-50 that he leaves, but I'm inclined to say he isn't ready to give up his VT experience just yet. When he talks, it is clear that the experience at VT has been a great one for him. He gets emotional talking about it. How does he leave something he seems to care so much about? Will be very interesting. But we won't know anything until March is over.

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But I thought "This is Home" ?

He has young kids maybe Blacksburg is home now??

I believe they go to private schools so not as big an adjustment. I think it comes down to how much is Texas home to him and his wife.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I'm pretty sure they go to bburg schools. I've seen them at lots of bburg high school sporting events.

I'm sorry, but why does going to a private school vs a public school make the adjustment easier? I'm very confused by this logic. Are public school friends and teachers easier to lose than private to a kid? If so, I would love to hear the explanation.

1) turnover of staff and students is usually higher at private schools 2) many private schools have similar structure in terms of learning so going from one to another can be easier if you find one that follows the same philosophies. I base this on going to private schools for 13 years.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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What? Curriculum doesn't mean boo to kids moving. Having to get new friends, learn the culture and the general struggles of growing up does. Moving 1 away or across the country is the same to a kid - all of the above applies.

I'll give you the turnover argument for teachers at private schools because it's accurate, but that is minimal in this discussion.

Leaving your friends, your neighbors, your routine. That is what kids will miss. Kids could give two shits (quit cussing) about curriculum. He has two teenagers that he already uprooted once. One teen is close to graduating highschool. It's much easier to uproot your family when your kids are young and can easily make new friends. Uprooting them in their teenage years is a much different animal. If buzz's kids are like him then the teens are probably involved in a ton of extra curricular activities (sports, band, fca, etc, etc). Leaving these things behind is much harder than an 8 year old kid that goes to piano class and dance class once a week.

I'd be surprised if they go to private schools in Blacksburg. The Blacksburg public schools are all highly rated in the state.

Unfortunately this is false. They go to public schools and one of his son's is classmates with my daughter. Public schools in Blacksburg are actually excellent and as far as I know the private school options are fairly limited.

Is there any concern that we'd be seen as a stepping stone school though? I'd have hoped that the ACC would be a destination, but here we are worrying about Buzz leaving. He's a hell of a coach, wherever he is, but I really hope it's here for a long while.

This year proves that he should have been recruiting bigs. No reason he couldn't find a consistent 6'10 player each class. KBJ is killing it and we should have been pushing for more bigs.

Favorite play that never was - "Hooker with the dime to Pimp...leton."

I gave a leg because you're not supposed to downvote opinions, which this clearly is. It's one that I think I disagree with, but it's still an opinion.

Chris Clarke and Landers Nolley are 6'6" and 6'7" (heights taken from 247). Both taller then NAW, and Clarke to me always played at least a couple inches bigger then he really is. With those two in the rotation, we go at least 8 deep and have a facsimile of size to spell Blackshear. We're still not a traditional team with 'bigs' but we're a much bigger 'small ball' team and we're probably talking about a two seed in the TOURNAMENT.

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New Sigline: lol it's football season.

What's the buyout at this point?

Our basketball program is one of those that has to 'rebuild'. We don't just 'reload' every year like dook, kentucky and unc. The 5 injury, Clarke suspension, and #freeNolley NCAA tomfoolery feel like they've taken away what should have been the 'peak' of this cycle. And a peak that even without clarke and nolley could have been an historic high for this program. It's the most wonderful time of the year to be a college basketball fan, and the only emotion I can muster is a bittersweet depression.

Losing Buzz right now would be a hell of a stomach punch.

On a brighter note, my official March sideline 'FAMILY' shirt came in the mail today. Pretty sweet. Highly recommend. Seem like they run a little small, would suggest the next size up.

Old sigline: I've been cutting back on the drinking.

New Sigline: lol it's football season.

Losing Buzz right now would be a hell of a stomach punch.

Yes. We would immediately be in "rebuild" mode again.

Is it basketball season yet?

Vroom Vroom

Oh another opening is being linked to Buzz

He wants to make a lot of money? Well, in the near future here he's already guaranteed contracts upwards of $3.5m per year. Which, sure A&M can beat that, no problem. You know what they won't beat? The terms. Buzz has pretty much the flexibility to do what he wants when he wants here with the freedom to leave whenever he wants. No other school will give him that authority, especially if they're talking about topping that contract value. And he has that authority in the top conference in the sport. He goes to A&M and he's coaching in the secondary sport of the school playing in the secondary sport of the league while being handcuffed with more restrictions in his contract than he has now. That matters, too.

Now, he could leave, sure. I don't see him doing it now. He can leave here whenever he wants. The buyout is basically non-existent and his contract renews every year. Barring a deep tournament run this year, do you think he believes his job here is done?

And should he leave, thanks for the memories and best of luck elsewhere. Whit will knock it out of the park with the next guy and we'll be fine.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

And should he leave, thanks for the memories and best of luck elsewhere. Whit will knock it out of the park with the next guy and we'll be fine.

He had damn well better.

Waho's suck
Uva swallows

I wonder the expectation of ass kissing by aTm boosters vs VT boosters?
I do not have the impression that this is Buzz's area of strength.

It really couldn't be much more lenient than we expect.

Also, our standards for success here are absurdly low for a program on the up and up in a major conference. At aTm the pressure will be ramped up significantly. Put it this way, at VT we are happy to have a program that passed 20 wins for the 3rd year in a row. We are happy that we are ranked and we are happy that we finished top 5 in the ACC. At aTm they'd be frustrated he got smoked on the road against the Top 5 teams he played, got swept by his rival, arguably choked away a double bye (in the end, would have been a 3rd place finish with Duke's loss to UNC) in Tally and still has significant issues recruiting size in a conference that needs it. None of those things really matter here but would be heating up a coaching seat elsewhere.

That's also something he has to consider, too. Especially when he has such a great arrangement with his contractual terms here.

Aaaaand... Whit has already teased they are working on a major Renovation of Cassell to be announced probably this summer or next. I highly doubt Buzz has been excluded from that planning, so you know he'd want to actually use the facility he helped develop.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

You and I see the positives of coaching the VT men's basketball team.

I do understand that there are negatives but, it is hard to find perfection.

All things being equal, take the A&M job. I mean they can offer more money, life changing money.

But that is not an equal job to VT. It's a bigger job with a higher profile and more pressure to win. To many, that is not a positive. Hell, remember that Buzz took a pay cut to come to VT from Marquette. And we sweetened the deal with an absurdly Buzz friendly contract no other school will ever have the balls to match because nobody will ever give up control like Whit did.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

...$3 million/year isn't life changing money already? Buzz is the 19th 21st highest paid coach in college basketball. After Chris Holtmann's deal maybe anything is possible, but I do wonder if TAMU will be willing to make him a top 5 paid coach (that would be surpassing Tom Izzo at $3.6M Bill Self at $4M).

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Oh it is but aTm can basically write whatever check he wants. That could be even more life changing than what he has in the Burg.

Don't get me wrong, he's got a great deal here.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

Buzz is the 19th highest paid

Small *there however same as with any VT coach you have to look at who doesn't report their coaching salaries. I don't think it's as big a difference like football but it may be one or two.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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This. Buzz is always complaint about media/fan scrutiny. That's only going to get worse with just about anywhere he goes from here. Other than money, which is very important, the situation doesn't get much better than VT

live in houston and know tons of aggies. They pay for and expect to win. Anything less and they drive coaches out of town.

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Hell, Billy Kennedy took them to the sweet 16 last year and they ran him out after a rebuilding year.

If this is the big one, Elizabeth, some names to throw out.

Matt McMahon - Murray State, 40 years old, 86-41, 2 straight NCAA appearances, played for a different Buzz, $400K current salary

Mike Young - Wofford, 55 years old, 292-243, 5 NCAA appearances, from Radford $565K

Nate Oats - Buffalo, 44 years old, 92-42, 3 NCAA appearances in 4 seasons, $600K

Shaka Smart - Texas, 41 years old, 224-115, 7 NCAA appearances, previous local connections, $3.2 Million

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Would Shaka Smart's Havoc work @ Tech??

Waho's suck
Uva swallows

Havoc vs Pack Line twice a year would be un-freaking-watchable

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

I think Shaka would be a perfect transition to potential Buzz departure. He played the small ball well with HAVOC at VCU and with our current lack of bigs, Shaka could be a good marriage.

Vroom Vroom

Have you watched Texas play? They play a completely different style than what he coached at VCU. It's like looking at two different coaches. Shaka would be a hard pass

shaka smart has been to one sweet 16 as a head coach (in 2011), if weren't for "#havoc" people wouldn't be giving him a second thought when he gets canned from texas

I think the geographic loyalty also plays a part here. I would have been stoked to land Shaka back in 2014, but would be disappointed now. I feel that we can do better than a coach coming off a rather unsuccessful stint at their first P5 opportunity.

*Final Four

Vroom Vroom

Shaka would be a terrible hire. His teams, going all the way back to VCU, have grossly underperformed based on the talent they had.

Shaka caught lightning in a bottle one year in the NCAA Tourney with a team that didn't have any business being there. But don't be fooled. Shaka is not a great B'ball coach.

Is it basketball season yet?

But in coolness factor, a coach named Shaka would be a great follow up a coach named Buzz

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Yes, it would.

'95 @UVA, '95 Sugar Bowl, '96 @Miami, '99 flip, '03 v Miami, '05 Bourbon St., '09 Coale, '14 @OSU

Shaka is garbage. See Texas. Dude has done nothing at Texas. How can you not recruit to Texas?

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

In all fairness I expected Rick Barnes to be a disaster at Tennessee after being fired from Texas and he has the Vols doing extremely well. Between all the failed football and basketball coaches, maybe there's a much deeper problem going on in Austin.

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Speaking of lightning in a bottle... Grant Williams and Schofield were mid 3 star recruits who blew up. Maybe Barnes is a great evaluator... Or really lucky

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Okay so what we're not gonna do is pick the coach we want to replace Buzz, before we even know if there will be a vacancy. If/until that day comes, the only name of importance to me is:

Buzz Williams - Virginia Tech, 46 years old, 249-152, already under contract

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He had win 250 against Miami last week and will have win 251 against Miami this week.

Matt McMahon - Murray State

Nuff said!

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I'd see what Fred Hoiberg is up to as well, dude coaches the same kinda style as Buzz and can rebuild quickly.

Gregg Marshall. I don't care that he's said he's happy at Wichita State (personally I think he's waiting for a blue blood). I don't care that he's turned down other schools before (NC State, Bama, etc). He's your first call and you offer him everything you can.

Hope Whit does everything to keep him i know people love Whit and he's done a hell of a job hiring but you can't garuntee the next guy could be great we need buzz to stay or we immediately head into a big rebuild without the guy who brought in his style guys

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This may be the longest sentence I've ever attempted to read.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

I really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really hate UVA.

I wouldn't be surprised if Buzz left and it sure looked ominous when TAMU hired Jeff Reynolds and Isaac Chew from VT in recent years. Also something seemed off with recruiting over the last 2 seasons with an entire class decommitting, Wilkins strange path to VT, 2019 commits mostly seeming off the radar, and no strong rumors or commits for 2020. It is interesting that 3/4 of the 2019 recruits have regional ties to VT though.

Ultimately I think it's more likely than not that he leaves but there are good reasons he might choose to stay at VT as well.

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The entire class decommited because Buzz told them they'd be better off looking elsewhere. The Langley brothers ended up at UNCG and BJ Mack at USF. They didn't develop as they got older.

Always choose joy.

Right, but have you ever seen that happen outside of a coaching change?

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You do realize that we replaced those guys with better recruits, right? Two of them were twins so those were a package deal too.

Good grief.

Yes everyone, I am aware of the situation and know what the narrative is. I never said, "Buzz is leaving because we had 3 guys decommit a year ago." However, in 10+ years of following recruiting I can't recall seeing an entire class decommit in one day, so forgive me if I stand by the statement that it is a little out of the ordinary.

The Langley twins were rated similarly to Kabongo, Wilkins, and Gordon and BJ Mack is rated higher than Sy was coming out of high school. Certainly I trust Buzz's judgment when it comes to talent and know recruiting rankings change rapidly in basketball, but it's not like we moved on from those guys and landed a class of 4 stars.

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Harris and Gordon >>> Langley twins. Miller and Gultekin >>> Mack.

Ok cool. Hook 'em

Edit: For the record, it's maddening to respond to posts that continually fail to address any of your points when you've already plainly stated things like

Certainly I trust Buzz's judgment when it comes to talent and know recruiting rankings change rapidly

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What is it that you're suggesting though? That he already knows he's leaving, that he has known it for over a year, well before there was an opening. That somehow a couple of recruits gleaned this information, one way or another, and that led to a mass-decommit?

Our other option for an explanation is a couple guys who ended up committing to a less competitive school in a worse league maybe weren't good enough to challenge for playing time. The conspiratorial "I'm not saying, I'm just saying" is annoying, especially when what you're suggesting doesn't make sense.

Seems like I'm suggesting that in my opinion...

something seemed off with recruiting over the last 2 seasons

-No, I don't think Buzz knows he's leaving
-No, I don't think the Langley twins or Mack were specifically told that

-Yes, I still think a mass decommit is unusual. At the very least, it means there were multiple poor evaluations AND/OR a communication issue occurred within the staff (which I'll touch on below) or to the recruits themselves.
-Yes, I do think the perpetual buzz around Buzz potentially leaving is absolutely being used against VT. Combine those rumors with Isaac Chew, Steve Roccaforte, and Jeff Reynolds moving on in the last 3 seasons and it doesn't paint a picture of stability. And before I hear it, yes, I know there are viable reasons for each departure. I accept it's quite possible Roccaforte and Buzz's falling out is related to the decommits. Still, that doesn't mean the perception is good (if you need evidence, check out the threads prior to the season with panicked posts about this being a lame duck season for Buzz).

We are losing at least 3 starters to graduation (Robinson, Hill, Outlaw), likely losing another starter to the NBA (Alexander-Walker), and there's a good chance that a former starter does not return (Clarke). This is the perfect time to capitalize on our success and take the next step, selling that VT is a program on the rise with the ability to offer early playing time in the ACC to recruits. And yet our recruiting is actually slightly worse than it was in Buzz's first two seasons. You know, the years immediately following up the dumpster fire that was James Johnson, tearing down every aspect of the program and rebuilding it.

Everyone here agrees that Buzz has elevated the product on the court and the national perception of VT basketball to a higher level. However, I do find it a little concerning with respect to the prospect of Buzz staying long-term that recruiting has leveled off, or even decreased slightly, in Buzz's 6th class compared to his 1st. If you don't agree, that's fine with me but quite honestly I'm befuddled as to how my posts have people so offended and are conspiratorial, annoying, or non-sensical.

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Only thing I disagree completely on with you above is that the recruiting classes have leveled off or regressed. There are two parts to that. The first is that you have to realize that as long as Buzz is here, you may see some players come in that completely defy logic based on paper (see Isaiah Wilkins ranked 388th Nationally on 247Sports) but Buzz in evaluating them has seen that OKG makeup that truly makes Buzz' system work on the court. The second is that outside of NAW being a superflight talent most of Buzz' classes have been fairly widespread across the top 300. His classes are consistently coming in ACC wise just behind UNC, Duke and UVA each year. The incoming class is 4th in the ACC but full of OKG type players, especially Harris and Gordon.

Judging the recruiting class by where it ranks nationally doesn't work, because there are always going to be anomalies that impact that. Beyond that just realize that Buzz doesn't really care where a guy is ranked as much as where and will he fit into the style, work discipline and commitment that Buzz expects from OKGs.

Totally agree on the Buzz class assessment. Oversimplifying Buzz's recruiting to a national rank is simply not paying attention. Buzz values fit in all areas as much as anything - aka OKG.

He assesses players to determine how the system will work with them and if they are willing to put in the work. This isn't always going to line up in some class ranking system.

Recruiting class was great last year. In fact, far better than if the decommits had not happened.

Did you read my post? And how is this still going on?

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I have talked to BJ Mack after an Oak Hill game and I can confirm your right. He told me on an unofficial he sat the Langley twins/BJ down and basically told them they would not play and may want to explore other options.

74-54

#sauces that this is his #1 job but his family really loves Blacksburg. We may need to give him a significant raise to keep him though. Like an extra $1M.

Texas job is opening as well but Buzz prefers A&M (same #sauce).

EDIT:
I recently heard that Buzz is definitely thinking about staying for a number of reasons. Odds are probably no worse than 50/50 for us right now. Buzz supposedly has key meetings scheduled for right after the season, so it is extremely unlikely we hear anything until April 1st (being optimistic about the tourney here)

We may need to give him a significant raise to keep him though. Like an extra $1M

He's earned it this year. He should've been COY.

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FWIW an extra million would make his pay just outside the top 5- ahead of Roy Williams, Jay Wright, and John Beilein (and essentially the same as Bill Self and Chris Mack). $4M is not a trivial amount considering it's been reported that we exceeded the planned maximum offer to hire Buzz in the first place (and that was $2.5M/year).

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I hear ya, It's not chump change, and I don't know if we can even afford it, but if we can, Buzz is worth it.

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I'd give him $1m if he signed a $15m buyout depreciating a $1m per year.

If I'm Whit and all it takes is an extra M I'd have that done by yesterday. Easy decision imo. Although I know it's not that simple

I think there's a decent chance buzz stays. I feel like he is different and wants to continue building what was started here. I don't think he feels "done" with that job. All speculation, no #sauces. Could just be saying the right things.

A different angle on the possibility of him leaving that I have not seen yet is that he may feel disrespected in the acc. He has joked about the schedule and the refs a bit. I wonder if there's more there and it pushes him out a bit. Just another potential factor.

It's good news to have a coach people want. Much better than the other side.

To be fair, we haven't finished the season yet... if we catch some luck in the next 2 weeks then we could be ACC champs and/or a Sweet 16 team. I think either one of those may justify as Buzz feeling "done."

I certainly hope he stays. I do think he really values building something and always speaks very highly of Beamer. He has to realize that he can be the "Beamer" of VT Hoops if he stays and continues the upwards trajectory of the program.

Am I really the first person to consult the FlightTracker?

And you have gained what insight from this consultation...?

“You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

Buzz is currently in Charlotte

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

Fuck, he's going to coach the Hornets

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

I remember Buzz talking about building a culture for VT basketball. He has put in a lot of work molding the players and the fans. I really hope he stays to see his basketball culture become a permenant part of VT.

I think it might be a bit too early for the flight tracker. maybe once we get knocked out of the big dance he'll leave straight from there./s

You mean right after we win it.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

If he leaves then we're up some buyout money with Whit still calling the shots. We'll be alright.

Would be a shame though, I like Buzz an awful lot.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

This has to be worth something:

College Station:

Blacksburg:

To be fair, that picture of College Station makes it look better than 99% of Texas

To be fair, all of east Texas looks like this, or better. I currently live east of Dallas, and have spent 7 years of my life living in diff parts of the state. Yes, many, many portions are dry, arid, desert-like conditions. But, with a land-mass as large as Texas, there are some beautiful spots.

All that being said, it doesn't hold a candle to Virginia's beauty.

If it ain't orange, it better be maroon...and if it ain't maroon, it better be soon!

Have you driven from El Paso to San Antonio? Pretty awesome in my book

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

If Buzz stays he has:
- A VERY unique working relationship with his Boss
- Ability to ask (and probably get) more resources
- Contract $$$
- if Cassell expanded/rebuilt, it will be his house
- a contract based on mutual trust (not controlled)
- build a program that will be identified as his forever(he can be a Beamer)

One thing is for sure. There is NO WAY to know what he'll do! We might as well sit back and enjoy the tourney.

My guess is if he stays, this will continue to be an annual event (the NCAA tourney and Buzz being a #1 candidate for somebody!)

And should he pick VT over a&m, I'll be confident that he'll be with us for a long while

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Reading Buzz's Wikipedia page to confirm that he coached at aTm early on and saw this nugget

Williams left behind a program at Marquette, which had only nine scholarship players – none taller than 6'7"...

If he leaves this year then you can just about replace Marquette with Virginia Tech and reuse that sentence.

Is it "reports"...or opinion / click baiting by the Chron author? ☝️

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-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

If Buzz goes, I think it's high time Bud Foster finally get a shot at Head Coach.

If I'm remembering buzz is his own agent as well so hopefully a and m goes and leaves him alone during the tourney time and doesn't cause even more issues

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Damn -- Texas A&M needs to find their own coaches. It feels like they always look at hiring away our coaches, whether it be football or basketball.

Not sure how important this is, but I do recall seeing somewhere that Buzz prefers Nike, so if that is significant enough, then maybe we don't have to worry. Texas firing Shaka Smart on the other hand...

Lol at Bede and Wilkins lurking in the replies

UMass is the current crystal ball favorite. If anyone can explain how that's possible considering how bad that program is, I'd love to hear it.

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Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

UMass fired Derek Kellogg and then tried to hire Pat Kelsey from Winthrop and he reneged on the contract in the last minute to return to Winthrop.

They have been pretty bad this first two seasons under Matt McCall. I don't see the draw in Amherst at all.

If we land this kid fairly soon, Buzz is staying. Not because the kid is coming here, but because this kid would surely ask Buzz if he's staying with these rumors going around. He would never commit to tech while Buzz is being courted by another school without assurance that buzz is staying. And from what we know about Buzz he wouldn't blow smoke up this recruits ass if he wasn't sure.

Long story short, let's hope he commits tomorrow.

I didnt really read what everyone has said but I think one big feather in VT cap is that Texas A&M is now in the SEC. Meaning no more playing his old teams like Texas, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma..... Now he will have to travel to Florida, Georgia, and Tenn. Coastal Teams that are an as load of travel.

Why not be the next King in the ACC and stay in close range of most teams.

Wagon's full and Momma I'm coming home.

Regardless of what folks think he has, or has not accomplished, for my money Buzz is the best coach VT has had. And we have had a few good ones. He has brought the program back from dead, done it in a short period of time, and has done it with pure class. Hoping against hope that Buzz decides to remain in B-burg, but also understanding the long held truth that we're not allowed to have nice things in B-burg (at least not for long).
Please stay home Buzz, you're OKG!

Fuck this. I'm going to enjoy the tournament. TMZ wants their blog back.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

TMZ wants their blog back.

Hey, just for everyone who's saying "What has Buzz proven?":

Buzz Williams is the best basketball coach in Virginia Tech history. You could argue Moir or maybe Noe but neither one did it in the toughest conference in America.

Buzz is the perfect coach for Virginia Tech and it's going to be a real kick in the dick if he leaves Blacksburg.

Hey, just for everyone who is taking that comment out of context, it was in response to:

He proved he could do it in the ACC so there's nothing left for him here.

I love what Buzz has done for VT basketball. But there is much more for him to do at VT and in the ACC. I agree that he's the perfect coach for VT.

On a serious note. Who wants to start the go fund me page to match tamu's offer? Or is there a way to pay and have his hometown moved closer to tech? A lot of you guys are engineers, I'm sure we can figure this out.

Duct tape and bungee cords can do magnificent things in the hands of our engineers. They can do it!

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We can't even get more than 700 people to pay 12 bucks a month for this site, what makes you think we can raise millions of dollars? Especially in addition to what the school already does to try and raise that money

Very true. Although there is something about GoFundMes, people go nuts for those things. Its very cause oriented. People like donating once, and they get an immediate emotional return on their investment. Perhaps the university should adapt the model in some fashion for the Hokie Club.

I thought it was $7.00 a month. Have I been getting a discount? Am I special?

You don't have the extra special super-duper account? You're missing out

Indeed, it's $84 / 12 = $7.00, but you are still special.

Buzz has done great things for VT basketball, and I really hope he stays to keep the momentum going for the program. But if he leaves, I have confidence that Whit, the guy who helped right this ship in the first place, will be able to bring in a competent successor to keep the program strong. I think we'll be fine, and it won't be the end of the world, but it will hurt to see him go.

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"You boys in there smokin' rope?"-Johnny Unitas (circa 1973) to his San Diego Chargers teammates

It's always nice to be wanted. But the only reason to go to a school like Texas or A&M is money. Those donors will show you the door the first time you have a bad season. Billy Kennedy's record at A&M is only slightly worse than Buzz's at VT. If next year Buzz has a record like Billy did this year they'd br very close in winning percentage. That wont get Buzz fired from VT, but it will from Texas schools.

It's nice to be wanted but sanity at a workplace is way underrated. Buzz left Marquette for those reasons. I dont know if he'll stay or go, but i wouldn't touch a Texas sports job unless I had too.

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"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

Specifically: T. Boone. Pickens.

Edit: I'm wrong, his big donations are to Oklahoma State. Sorry.
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Can't be overstated. Tech has absolutely zero significant donor group that is tied to any wealth industry. Engineers make good salaries, but in general, it is not a wealth creating profession. Other Tech specialties are in the same boat. Commodities and Energy have been true wealth creation industries since the industrial revolution began (maybe even before). There are so many "Texas oilmen" with ties to A&M that have been generating large $$$$ since hydrocarbons were discovered in the 1800's. This is old money and new money.

We need to adopt Bezos ASAP! He's tied to VT's innovation center, so we have a natural connection, right? Whit should ask him to lunch.

We put the K in Kwality

CEO of Qualcomm (Steve Mollenkopf) went to VT for undergrad. No idea if he's played any role as a major donor though.

Eric Schmidt (former CEO at Google, worth ~14 billion) grew up in Blacksburg.

He donated the money for Torgerson Hall (~$20M I think). Donation was contingent on the name. Torgerson was his mentor and neighbor growing up. He told a funny story about this in his Theory of Organization class.

That's the one about Eric Schmidt mowing his lawn right?

Gosh I am so glad that I took that class, Torgerson really was a class act and down to earth.

I was actually thinking about how Schmidt offered the donation for the building but only if it was named after Torgerson. VT has a strict policy that no building can be named for current faculty. A special exception was made.

That was by far my favorite class. He was such a great man.

TAMU 640,000 living former students

Virginia Tech 240,000 living alumni

WHAT ARE THEY GIVING THEIR ALUMNI TO MAKE THEM LIVE LONGER THAN OURS!?

That's part of it. They make anyone who even stepped on campus feel like part of the family. They call EVERYONE

former student

Tech not so much.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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two questions. 1. how is their margin so much greater than Texas and OSU 2. i'll admit this may be very stupid, but i assume revenue includes straight up donations as well? while i'm at it what are the other primary sources of revenue for athletic depts? guessing sponsor deals and tv contracts are a big portion?

IF IF IF Buzz does leave, my first choice would be Gregg Marshall. I think that would be a home run hire

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

I wonder if job security will play into the decision. With what he has done here in his short time, revitalized the program, had our team ranked for what, 18, 19 straight weeks?, 3 consecutive tournament appearances...VT knows we were lucky to land him. His job is secure here. He could retire from here and be revered as Beamer is for football.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I don't think he's worried about that tbh

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All things performance-related aside, Buzz makes me proud to be a Hokie. He cares a ton about his players, shows respect to opposing players and coaches as well as referees. He is a great ambassador for our school and embodies the values that made me fall in love with VT in the first place. Sure, I'm going to be really bummed for our program if he leaves but I'll be equally, if not more, bummed about losing who he is as a person and how he represents Virginia Tech. I will wish him well if he leaves and be jealous of the person A&M is getting, but I trust that Whit will do absolutely everything in his power to keep, in my opinion, one of the most universally respected coaches I've ever seen in the sport.

Best approach is to keep him if we can. I've been following VT basketball since 1973 and he's the best coach we've had in that timeframe. He has an excellent moral compass and fully embodies the values VT stands for (edit: apologies to the post above...apparently we have similar thoughts).

Give him the latitude to do things his way and offer competitive salaries for him and his staff. Hopefully he'll see the possibilities and stay.

Buzz left Marquette because of his relationship with the AD and their uncertainty in the conference. Both of those were addressed by coming to VT. I don't think aTm addresses either. Location to home and cash are the only real differentiators (IMO).

Whit hiring him was a homerun and many think we outkicked our coverage. I'm sure Whit will do whatever it takes to keep him happy, but not bankrupt the program/school in the process.

Add to it, Buzz has become a brand and he's loyal to Nike. Maybe Nike will change his contract to keep from losing him. If he wins big here (ACCC, final four, etc) his market value to them will skyrocket.

That said, I hope he stays. He's great for VT and VT is great for him. If he leaves, he'll have his reasons and I wish him well.

We put the K in Kwality

Great point about Nike. aTm is an adidas school.

Hope like hell he doesn't leave. If he does bring Mike Young home......Or whatever Whit decides. I assure you he has a plan B, C and D and always has.

Any #sauces about how Buzz's wife feels about Blacksburg? He has 4 kids spread across varying levels of school. Perhaps moving the older ones while in high school will outweigh the money that A&M has? Obviously coaches move around all the time with young kids, but Buzz seems like such a family man that this might be a big factor for him.

I've read posts on here and elsewhere from several people with #sauces that Buzz & family love Blacksburg.

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I think he stays. I think he enjoys the freedom in his contract terms and the relationship with Whit and the fanbase. He has just now in the last couple of years started seeing the fruits of his rebuild. I don't think he is ready to start over.

He has said multiple times that he doesn't want to coach forever. Why not stay in a job with lower expectations and better job security for another 10-15 years and then retire back to home than go now and be in the wash cycle that is Texas sports?

I'm currently working my Blacksburg socialite #sauces to see what info they might have about Buzz's long term plans. It's a fun sauce to have. I knew who Bud was dating post divorce and that Whit is probably staying for awhile judging by the 50k he put into redoing his back patio and yard. Although that's really just an investment for when it comes time to sell the house. So who knows. Still don't think he's leaving any time soon.

Nice sources to have!

From my experience, you virtually never get an investment in landscaping, deck, etc. back in a home sale. Putting in a pool is probably one of the worst things you can do from a home investment perspective.

I'm showing this to my wife next chance I get. Thanks!

Correct. Kitchens and Bathrooms are pretty much the most bang for your buck when upgrading your house and almost always return 100% or more.

I knew who Bud was dating post divorce

was this the Bud personal drama from a few months ago?

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Unfortunately, yes. Bud recently divorced his wife and began dating someone in the NRV with "high visibility".

So Bud is bringing that "Got a new girlfriend" swagger to camp this year.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Sometimes even Bud has to go on offense.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

Got a new wife. He's already married said girlfriend.

“You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

Dang. That was fast.

in the NRV

"high visibility".

Do these two things go together (for people who aren't football coaches)?

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Yeah I'm not sure what that means....I hear "high visibility" and I'm thinking Amy Hudson the realtor.

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MV7, MV5, LT3, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

If someone asked me who the most visible person one SWVA is, I would answer Daniel L. Crandall

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Sadly, I didn't.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

He's easy to talk to!

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Think elected public official.

Wikipedia says his wife is Jacqueline and hokiesports says Jessie

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Old and new...

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The torch; be yours to hold it high.
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Yeha, I just didn't know which was which...who is a highly visible, elected official named Jessie in the area?

actually, never mind, I really don't care who he is married to

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Radford city council

Went for a younger model of wife?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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She's definitely qualified

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who is a highly visible, elected official

Radford city council

So this is like Angela dating the (state) senator?

Let's hope not

Uh....didn't Bud remarry like two months ago?

Ironic that years ago Bud said he was staying at VT because his wife didn't want to move. This was when he was being recruited by aTm.

Man fuck aTm, go get your people from somewhere else.

And not necessarily in that order.

It's not apples to oranges, but kids move all the time because of parent's employment needs. Military families have dealt with this forever, and the kids don't dictate the tempo. Yes, as a caring parent you must acknowledge the disruption, but then again, the parents are the adults and call the shots. Kids are quite adaptable when they don't feel entitled to dictate the terms of their parent's decisions. Says the guy who never had kids, but grew up in a move a lot military family.

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It's true that kids are adapable, but military families often adjust their moves because of their kids. It's a legitimate concern, and even the military recognizes it and tries to accommodate those needs when possible. (Though it doesn't stop deployments.)

The Navy told my brother if he wasn't married with a kid they would've sent him to Hawaii. He was though so they sent him to Norfolk lol

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

Yes, that also happens.

That happened a couple years ago with my brother and sister-in-law who are both Air Force. They were originally going to be sent to Turkey, but had a kid so now they're in Guam instead.

True, but there are others who will limit their career for their kids. I grew up in SWVA and my dad passed up on a big promotion that would have made us move while my older sisters were in high school.

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I think any professional who lives in a small town/rural area knows they can go to a big city and make more money and further their career but not everyone wants that

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

My grandfather did the same thing, but it was more for the community as my uncle was mentally retarded and in the 50s and 60s it was a better for him in a small town where everyone knew him.

I'm not going to put too much thought into this solely because trying to understand where Buzz's head is at is like trying to understand why hummingbirds can't figure out a way to fly out of your garage.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Humming birds get stuck in your garage? what part of the world do you live in?

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Virginia.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

I think the correct answer to your riddle is african swallow

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Hahahaha. I've had to help three (or maybe one 3 times) hummingbirds get out of our garage. Keep flying into the ceiling or the small window instead of the big open door. They would get tired and land and on the rake I help up, but as soon as I got down low enough to get out the door they would fly up into the ceiling. I'd block them toward the door, but they would just try to fly over everything, or go around it, instead of turning around and flying out. Bird brains.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

So...say Buzz leaves and then doesn't end up liking aTm...Do we want him back? /s

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We want him back so badly that we can just skip that step.

He should never leave us cause

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

What he says about loving Blacksburg, this is home, etc etc could be his true feelings or coach speak. I really can't understand how any of us could put much stock in it.

I don't believe VT is much more of an attractive job than before Buzz came. We got a buzz caliber coach because of timing and creative contact writing. We're super lucky buzz is panning out because it would shatter the athletic budget to axe him (read his contract, he's a sly bastard).

I hope he stays. I really do. I don't think we could replace him with someone as good (except maybe shaka)

I think it is a more attractive job because of the shape the program was in pre-Buzz.

Whit + Buzz vs. Weaver + Seth/JJ

Whit will have to pull out another miracle to keep Buzz or replace him if he were to leave. Weaver would have never invested in the program the way that Whit has.

I don't know the specifics that everyone is talking about regarding Buzz's contract but if that's what we need to do to get top coaching talent, so be it.

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The coming ACC Network will help all ACC coaching salaries over the next couple years.
"A rising tide raises all boats."
I'm sure Buzz understands this as well. The future for his salary here at VT is looking up.

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

Has anyone had to go into an organization and do a "re-building job? It SUCKS! To install a system, to sell vision, potential and future without any guarantees or past success (in the current organization). Think of all the time and effort that must be invested to get the momentum to get a program rolling- how much TIME does he sacrifice with his family in the future? I think we all would agree that the "rebuilding" phase of Buzz's job is behind him!!! If he stays, he can now spend the next 5 years building a perennial Top 10/ACC Championship contender! (Think of the ages of the elite coaches in the ACC now -except for Bennett. As those coaches turnover, Buzz will thrive.)

Yep, there will be more money and a new challenge at A&M, but does he want to do another rebuild???

And don't think he'll go there and just have the program "take off"! You know "our Buzz", he'll go to A&M and he'll do his "Hell Camps", he'll require life skills training, not just basketball! In short, he'll want the "OKG" player to build his model! You think the current players will all stay? THAT MEANS A MINIMUM OF A 3 YEAR REBUILD! Will the A&M fan base buy into that???

I sure hope we can "show" Buzz the respect and love (resources and $$$) to allow him to really expand his vision to build our program to the next level!

Has anyone had to go into an organization and do a "re-building job?

Yes, at 2 start up companies to enable more real time production yield management and provide engineering with more continuous near real time development test data to speed up development cycles.
Your on target, its a MASSIVE effort and you have to have 100% management agreement or its gets slowed down easily.
Excellent Point Okey!

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Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

Listening to ESPNU radio and the guy on was talking about Buzz and said he has a state of Texas flag flying from his house. That A&M will throw money at him but he will come down to whether Buzz wants to move back to Texas.

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Chris Beard would be a great fit for A&M. He's from Texas....and is a much better coach than Buzz. I mean, why the hell would anyone pick Buzz of Chris Beard? Seems like a no brainer. Beard to A&M.

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Or maybe this story is a beard

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Hey

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Don't know what reporters expect coaches to say in these situations.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

It'd be neat if he said something along the lines of 'no screw aTm, go Hokies'

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

Sure, but then if he was ever asked about an opportunity and he DIDN'T say "screw 'em", the conspiracy boards would light up like a Christmas tree.

you say that like it's a bad thing.

Well, he'd just have to say that for all of them then, I'd be okay with that

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Or something like:

"I guess I have to say it, I'm not going to be the Alabama coach."

“You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

Now this is my kinda talk! lol

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Are we in any kind of financial situation to match aTm's salary offer?

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

Certainly. But that would be money that could go to the football program or money that doesn't get spent rebuilding cassell. The money is there it is just how does it get allocated and what is worth more to your overall athletic department.

With that said do we have to match the offer? Maybe. Maybe not. A&M is ousting a coach that just went to the sweet 16 last year and will probably get another head coaching job in short order. Buzz has to see that. I'm not saying he stays, but Buzz is an analytical guy more than most coaches and will certainly take that mentality to making a decision on his future. Honestly thinking about the pros and cons and the possibility of potentially being on the hot seat in 3 years will all be factors. If he's worried about moving his family now, then he would also worry about getting canned and his even older kids getting moved again.

Because of these factors and without any sources I would say that we have a pretty good shot at keeping him. Home and money are hard to beat, so I wouldn't say 50/50, but I don't think it will be far off from that.

Their offer is $6.5m/yr. only Duke, UK and Ohio St are reportedly paying their coach that much. That's more than Self, Izzo, Roy and Bennett are making. A lot more.

Not only can we not match that offer, we shouldn't. You can't complain about recruiting resources for football and also pay your basketball coach $6.5m/yr. You pay a coach that much to get you to final fours. Buzz has never done that and I think most realize that's above VTs ceiling.

VT paying a basketball coach one of the top 5 salaries in the country is foolish. Go get Mick Cronin for $2.5m, stay in the top half of the ACC every year, make the NCAA regularly and get a sweet 16 every 4 years. That's a helluva success for VT basketball. Thank Buzz for showing it was possible and walk him to the curb.

This feels like the Jim Weaver Path To Basketball "Success".

Buzz has never done that and I think most realize that's above VTs ceiling.

You play to win, not to contend. If we had the team now that we thought we were going to have back in July our ceiling this year is a top five team. Then, of course, you pay the man a top 5 salary (if that's what he wants).

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if you pay the basketball coach Duke/Kansas money, then expect the football team to look like Duke or Kansas as well.

Leonard. Duh.

Dukes lack of success isn't because of their coaching salary

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You play to win, not to contend.

If that's our goal, then we need to fundraise to win; right now we're fundraising to contend. If we don't have the funding to keep up with the football arms raise and pay a basketball coach top 5 coaching money, then we have to pick one, or suffer at both. What's it going to be?

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If that's our goal, then we need to fundraise to win;

Yes. All the yes. I couldn't agree with you more. We're at a spot where we can continue to be a top half ACC team with a good tournament run every 4 or 5 years kind of team.

Or, we can breakthrough to greatness. It's not going to come easy, or cheap. I love Cassell dearly but it's going to need some upgrades, which cost money. Retaining talent like Buzz and our support staff also takes money.

We keep talking like we're a basketball school now and for that to truly be the case year in and year out we need that next level commitment from everyone. Including us as a fanbase and donors. This is how we really, honestly, truly #getbetter.

Also, I really hate LOLUVA basketball and want us to be the best hoops program in the state. And we can do that. But again it won't be easy or cheap.

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Woah, didn't realize details of the offer were known. That's insane, considering we are paying Buzz more than aTm was paying Kennedy. I didn't realize aTm was prepared to more than double their basketball salary.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

Technically, the details aren't that known. The unconfirmed rumor is that a verbal in the $6.5M/yr neighborhood was floated to him. No one is even sure it's a formal offer.

Lots of asterisks still involved.

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Oh, so the sauciest of #sauces. Gotcha. Well, if aTm is willing to pay Duke money to its bball coach while paying Alabama money to its football coach...

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

Yikes.. pump the brakes.
#1 That number is just a rumor, and there's more to an offer than just the raw numbers.
Even if it is legitimately their offer, we certainly shouldn't just give up on keeping Buzz because A&M is tossing around big numbers.

Even if it is legitimately their offer, we certainly shouldn't just give up on keeping Buzz because A&M is tossing around big numbers.

No one is saying give up - I'm sure there are other things that could be negotiated, but if it comes down to "I need $6.5M to stay" then we should walk.

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Its not going to be about money. If Buzz decides to leave, it is going to be because of something he can't get at VT/in Blacksburg (and that's a pretty short list.)

The post I'm replying to literally said "Thank Buzz for showing it was possible and walk him to the curb." as the appropriate response to a $6.5 million offer from Texas A&M....

So yes, there is at least one person who was saying give up.

I agree that we can't afford to pay our basketball coach $6.5 million (can't afford to pay the football coach that either).

If it's over $4m, it's a bad decision. We have a salary cap. A&M doesn't. Can't get in a bidding war. And I love Buzz to death.

Plot twist. Buzz takes the $6.5 million and goes to aTm. He then donates all the extra money he's making, around $3mil, back to VT to increase our b-ball budget. We hire a new coach and are well on our way to major facilities renovations. Hire a new decent coach to continue the success of the program and everybody wins

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Bitch you cray!

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

But why?

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

Guy really likes his nicotine.

Lol not even fucking close

Keep calm, Gobble on

If it happens, it happens. I'd be gutted if he left, but I feel like Buzz has left us looking like an attractive destination for a coach. We don't have sky high expectations, we have up and coming facilities, and a strong, loyal fan base.

If he leaves, we will probably suck again for a while, but I think the rebuild wouldn't have to be as drastic. Some people on reddit were talking about UB's Nate Oats as a possible replacement, which I wouldn't really mind.

Tech Triumph.

We don't have sky high expectations

Maybe in terms of wins and losses... but it's going to be difficult for a coach to endear himself to our fanbase the way Buzz has. I feel like it's going to be like when someone can't get over an ex despite how awesome the new relationship is.

Yes, it would be difficult for a new coach to endear to the fanbase, but we won't have a choice but to lower our expectations if Buzz leaves.

Tech Triumph.

Just to be safe, I'm going to Stop Cussin until I see Buzz coaching for us next season.

Te to qb

God bless the swear jar if he takes the job...

Fuck that.

Dollar to the swear jar please

I feed off of nightmares

I believe it is Quit Cussin, but I get your point

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big news everyone, according to some sauces, there is NOT a Christmas tree out for the trash at Buzz's curb

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I post this in no way to sway people on either side or the middle, but when Buzz originally came to VT this was the article that stuck with me. To this day I am not sure that I have read it enough times to understand Buzz's decision to come to VT, so now I just look at it and realize I am not sure anyone knows what he will do.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/new-faces-new-places-w...

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I hadn't seen this article before. While I still have no idea what Buzz will do, I do have confidence that his decision will be made using all available data points! Hopefully we have more pros in our column than A&M!

the good news is that we know it won't ONLY be based on the money

I think the going home is sometimes a bit over played. He is at the point that he could have a house in his home town and visit whenever he wants.

How many on this board are living in their home town and how many would really want to go back?

It's not his hometown it's his home state, and people in a Texas take that shit very seriously.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Preach. Every truck has a Texas edition or Fort Worth edition of whatever. If you think Maryland loves their flag, multiply it by 100 and you get Texas.

Most people love cheese too, but we all know someone who bucks that trend.

If buzz leaves, the good news is that Whit won't give an ACC job to Christian Webster to try to keep Isaiah Wilkins and Kobongo here simply to avoid an 0-fer in the ACC next year. No, Whit will search for, hire, and pay a very good D1/P5 head coach and give him the same support staff that Buzz has- one of the largest in the ACC. That's the good news. Would hate to lose Buzz, but Whit is not going to desperately hire the DOBO to keep a couple of players possibly.

Wes Miller would be a great option if we could keep him... he's former UNC grad who's dad is an important donor for Wake Forest. If either one of those jobs open up, he's leaving. Bob McKillop may or may not be interested in leaving Davidson (it would mean Steph Curry would finally come to games in Cassell haha). Ryan Odom would be an option. Mick Cronin already has a working relationship with Whit. Maybe Gregg Marshall (though he's making more at Wichita State), Bob Huggins. Mark Few would be one of the lone clear "upgrades" but he's not going to leave Gonzaga.

Yeah Buzz, please don't leave.

A UNC grad and Huggie Bear?

Dude....

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

I'm a hard no on Huggins (twilight of his career, has niche players that can only play for his style, etc) and Odom (we can find a more experienced HC for buzz's budget) Would love Cronin and Mark Few obviously. I'm not a big Marshall guy- he looks much less of a genius playing in a better league now.

I don't watch Cincinnati very often, but Cronin comes off as an unhinged maniac on the sideline in the same mold as Chris Mack.

I'd pass if he were available.

Tom Thibodeau is currently unemployed, haha.

Jamie McNeilly is the reason Jonathan Kabongo is at Tech along with the other Canadian players. McNeilly is the one, of any of these coaches I would look at to make a head coach. That would also help to keep the Canadian pipeline open.

Hiring to keep a recruiting class together or hiring to keep a team from breaking up is how you get a James Johnson or Danny Manning

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

McNeilly is the only assistant coach I think is ready for a head coaching job. Otherwise I wouldn't have put it out there. The bonus is it keeps the flow of Canadian talent as a possibility of coming to Tech. McNeilly from everything I have seen and heard from people around the program is ready for the next step, which I would never have claimed James Johnson was. Danny Manning has proven he cant recruit his way out of a paperbag. I don't see that being the case with McNeilly or the staff he would assemble. You may have a different opinion of him than I do but I wouldn't just flippantly support a hiring to keep a recruit or two. A recruit or two every year though is a totally different story if they continue to be at the level of NAW, Kabongo, incoming recruit Emmanuel Miller, top target for 2020 class Cashius McNeilly, 2021 target Charles Bediako and others as they become known.

If we have to go through a coaching search, we need to be hiring someone who is already a head coach. The ACC is not a conference for someone to learn on the fly on how to be a HC.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

I'm with you on this. Thankfully, I think Whit is too

Wait just a damn minute here. Are you implying that James Johnson was in over his head?

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"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

The Point made above about Billy Kennedy taking A&M to Sweet 16 last year than this year about to be fired cannot be lost on Buzz... he looks at those things and I think that's going to be a huge red flag for him

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

I certainly hope so.

They want to pay ridiculous money, but they also will have ridiculous, and possibly unrealistic, expectations.

Though I do think Buzz is great and is going to be in the conversation. I'd just rather it be at VT.

This is part of why I don't think Buzz lands at A&M. Its clear the leash is short there and establishing his own unique culture is clearly important to Buzz. I'm not sure he would be given the time or leeway to do things his way and I don't see him going any place were he wouldn't be able to do things his way.

That being said Buzz's wife is also from Texas, so if she wants to be closer to home, he may be willing give in on something like that. Happy wife, happy life...

Damn it. I just want Seth Allen to get a few years as an assistant, take a low/mid major to the second weekend and then come home and replace Buzz after he wins his third tourney in a row. Is that too much to ask?

Is that too much to ask?

I don't think so. I just want to have a 2-2 record with LOLUVa in shooty hoops this year.

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Is that velvet or suede? Man you look like a million bucks!

-Buzz Williams

FWIW I heard on the radio yesterday that Vanderbilt is canning their coach and Buzz is the top target there. I see no reason to believe he would ever go there, but I think it shows that Buzz is young and very good at his job and also has all the intangibles that makes prospective employers put them at the top of their list. There is more to life than money, and I know that Buzz understands that. I would really hate to lose him as aside from the fact that he's turned this program around, he's had some really good student athletes come through his program and I believe he has made VT basketball and VT sports as a whole a better organization just by his leadership. I hope like hell he stays until he retires.

I dont expect Buzz to coach very long. He is going to be a TV personality that will all love to see. Due to this idea, stay at tech, coaching 10 more years, becoming the king of the acc, then moving to tv would be a lot easier than going to Texas rebuilding for 4 years, and being in a weak conference in BBall media spotlight

Wagon's full and Momma I'm coming home.

I know Buzz has said he doesn't want to coach forever but has he said he wants to do TV? If so, having an on-site studio for the ACC Network and the growth of the VT sports media programs could be legitimate selling points for him to stay.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Buzz doesn't strike me as a TV guy. He loves to be involved in these guys lives and help them grow up into fathers and husbands. He's on the record as saying that. Can't see him going from that to TV.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

He strikes me more as a VT guy.

Wasn't he doing studio work after we were eliminated last year in the NCAA?

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I mean he has been a guest analyst for Turner sports during at least a couple recent tournaments after we've been knocked out. Who knows, maybe he'll go to ESPN to take Seth Greenberg's job again in a few years

I want to see him and Greenberg have a show together

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The big draw for A&M is that Buzz would be going close to home but what ties does he have there? Does he still have lots of family there? Being near where you are from may not be all that it is cracked to be if he is happy where he is. I think he stays at VT. We will hear Buzz's name as a top target for any big school because he is a great coach who has shown success. If they think they can buy him away from VT, they will have him as the top target.

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I got you Fam...I saw the downvotes...yikes. People need to get up to speed on their movie references! lol

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The downvotes are because before your edit, your link didn't work and said something pretty offensive.

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Bad news, Buzz may leave. Good news, James Johnson and Seth Greenberg are available.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

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Hot Take:

Buzz Williams will be coaching basketball for a college team next season, and that team will be better off because of his leadership.

#sauces

Is it basketball season yet?

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i prefer mine based on uncontrollable emotion and irrational speculation thank you very much

Really interested to see how this strategy plays out. Williams took a pay cut to come to Tech and he lives on a subset of his salary.

To add on to that:

It makes so much sense for him to take that job.

So maybe that's our chance. He doesn't do anything that makes sense.

Actually he compulsively analyzes every situation so I think he'd tell you the choice he makes is the most logical one. Even trying to emulate Buzz's thought process, I find myself able to arrive at two possible conclusions:

1) he stays because he has an extremely favorable contract, a good relationship with Whit, and there's a willingness to continue investing in improving the program. He has quite a bit of goodwill at VT and it would takenmultiple down seasons for his seat to get warm. A&M is going to have high expectations to win soon and win big if they are paying top 5 money for a head coach. Also I can't imagine A&M agreeing to the same contract terms Buzz has at VT at the rumored salary level.

2) he goes because we are losing a substantial amount of talent after this season. Next season we are very likely to experience the first year that we haven't exceeded the previous year's results. I don't think Buzz lacks confidence but the available dataset across college athletics suggests fans will start to get restless and a coach will eventually be fired if he doesn't make continue raising the bar. That's no small feat in the ACC when you have to overcome multiple blue bloods.

I truly don't think it's going to come down to sheer money, so at least we have that going for us. I can't pretend to know how such a calculating, data-driven person like Buzz evaluates a factor like proximity to home though- and that could very easily be the difference.

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. Next season we are very likely to experience the first year that we haven't exceeded the previous year's results. I don't think Buzz lacks confidence but he the data says fans will start to get restless and the coach will eventually be fired if he doesn't make continue raising the bar.

I'm curious, what do y'all think the "bar" is now for Virginia Tech basketball? It's not like we expect to Buzz to bring VT to Duke/UNC levels within the next five years.

I imagine this varies wildly based on who you ask. Off the top of my head I'd say first round bye (top 10) in the ACC tournament nearly every season, second round bye (top 4) in the ACC every 3-5 years, making the NCAA tournament pretty regularly (66%+), winning a NCAA tournament game 33% of the time, and making the sweet 16 once or twice every decade.

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If A&M is willing to break the bank they may also be willing to letting Buzz set terms. It's a question of how driven they are to get him. If that's who the money wants then the money might be willing accept Buzz as he is, including his demand to control his own contract.

Comment on point 2, if VT fans get restless after one down season with Buzz and call for him to be fired for not continually raising the bar then we honestly don't deserve Buzz anyway. We are not a tier 1 bball school. Having aspirations to get to that level is great. Understanding the long term realities of getting to that level is more important.

Texas A&M aren't in the ACC. So they can't give Buzz an ACC Championship.

Anyone who watched Duke play UNC ,or UVa playing FSU tonight realizes that this means something.

So Texas A&M can break whatever bank they want. They still won't be the ACC.

Uh.... Honestly. No idea what you are responding to since I never said A&M is in the ACC, nor did I say Duke playing UNC was meaningless. If you reread what I wrote you realize that these statements are factual.

My apologies if my comment came across as cryptic.

What I'm saying is that the one thing A&M can't give Buzz is what he already has: a spot in the ACC. They can throw as much money at him as they want, but they STILL can't give him that. They can't write that into their contract.

If what he really wants is to go up against the best, Texas A&M is a step in the wrong direction, no matter how much money they throw at him, or freedom he has to write his contract. And while people are adamant about what they know about teams and their place in the picture, Buzz has gotten VT up to it's previous level, and in fact surpassed it very quickly. I'm hoping he sees the experiment through to completion. I'm confident the fans and the administration can handle the realities of it. We've had a taste of success with Buzz, so I'd guess he has enough leeway to do what he needs to do.

I remember Buzz saying when he came to VT that he wants to go up against the best. I can't predict what Buzz will do, but I'm not sure how Texas A&M offering more money meets that requirement. Sometimes it's not so much the details as the big picture.

I wasn't really arguing your points, I was just saying that maybe we're not accounting for everything Buzz might consider. The ACC, the good relationship with Whit, the great fans at VT, the home atmosphere. There are a lot of intangibles, and some tangibles to consider.

I agree a little with what your saying, but going to the SEC isn't that much of a drop off in competition. SEC was actually a little down this year and still will likely get a #1, #2, and #3 seed. The ACC is the best conference without a doubt, but the SEC isn't some easy conference to navigate. In a down year they have (presently) 3 top ten teams and 4 top 25. They will likely get the second most bids to the tourney (probably one fewer than the acc) than any other conference.

It will be hard to turn down millions more coaching at home just to say I want to coach in a better conference, when the better top to bottom really isn't that much better.

And for those wanting to rip me for the "not that much better" I'm totally in on the ACC being the dominant basketball conference as 1-7 are usually top notch each year, but the SEC has been getting better and if you look at the coaching talent around the league it will continue trending up......especially since they have oodles of money to throw at their programs with the leftover football money they bring in. Hence why a football school is going to try and poach our coach and pay him top dollar when their current coach makes about the same as buzz does right now.

I suppose one can make that argument.

The important thing is that I KNOW Buzz has run numbers on it and has a strong opinion one way or another, and not even Texas A&M money is likely to change his mind about it if it's made up.

His contract terms are risky at $3M per year. They're borderline insane at $6-7M. Maybe you're right and they'll go for it anyway though. I don't think it's impossible given the exponentially increasing amounts of money being spent on college athletics. And that certainly would show one hell of a commitment.

As for point 2, I specifically didn't say VT fans because I'm referencing this article posted earlier in the thread. It's a statement based purely on data, not a comment on VT fans.

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Ah, understand on point two. Didn't get the reference back to your earlier comment.

Money ia fickle. When you have an abundance of it and a larger than life passion to influence the school you love you might accept crazy terms to roll the dice on the coach you want. But i do agree with you.

As far as fans go, I think he might want to stick to VT fans.

Kennedy finishes his eight year career at A&M with an overall record of 151-116 with two NCAA Tournament appearances. It is shocking that the school would let Kennedy go after struggling in a year when he lost four out of five starters from a year ago.

Will they let Buzz finish dead last in year 1 as all the non-OKGs transfer out, and see what happens in year two? I know VT had nowhere to go but up, but still I hope they're patient.

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I certainly hope Buzz gives them the opportunity to prove they're loyal fans. By staying, not coming in last...

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Well the jokes on you, Aggies. The man lives on $54 a day and VT pays him a bit more than that. Good luck getting him interested by offering MONEY! /s

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Still trying to get over the Bob Huggins/ Mark Few suggestion.....maybe Coach K would like to finish his career here? Whit has always been prepared should Buzz leave. Hope he doesn't but all will be OK either way

Today I learned Buzz's wife went to Texas A&M and that's where they met.

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Damn, I'm trying to say positive here.

Reading things like the Athletic, Houston Chronicle etc, I'm just going to enjoy the tournament and what happens after I'll look at then.

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Just asking... How'd you learn this?

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Buzz's wife did not go to Texas A&M and they didn't meet there. They met at Texas A&M Kingsville. Texas A&M is a large university system, so there are a few schools with the name.

Still should be worried about Texas A&M College Station going after Buzz though.

I found this out here: http://www.playerwives.com/ncaa/marquette-head-coach-buzz-williams-wife-...

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True but A&M has 11 satellite campuses and they didn't meet in College Station. So we got that going for us

Can anyone detail what it is specifically in Buzz's current contract that is so unique?

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Since he negotiates his own contracts he usually puts in his own spin.

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Here's some details of his initial contract

I'm not sure if any of the most significant clauses changed in the extension he signed in 2016 or if that was strictly increasing his salary even more than detailed in original contract, but I would strongly lean toward the latter. Essentially VT can't fire him without paying his full remaining salary regardless of his future endeavors. If A&M agrees to those terms and offers him $6-7M/year, they are looking at a $50M guaranteed contract that automatically extends itself.

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He's got plenty of money. How many yachts can he water ski behind?

It's not for him. It's for his kids and his grandkids. He grew up without much. He is changing his family tree and I wouldn't fault him at all for that.

After a certain income level, how much money do you need? Twice as much as what you have.

That said, I don't fault anyone for any decision.

It's the difference between being rich and being wealthy. Managed properly, VT money means his kids never have to worry about money. ATM money means his grandkids never have to worry about money. If Buzz's goal is building generational wealth, every extra dollar now is exponentially more decades from now, so there is no such thing as "how much money do you need", the goal is "how much can you get".

I have no idea if that is how Buzz sees the situation but I wouldn't blame him if he did. I certainly hope he stays at VT to basically become the Beamer of our basketball program.

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Like I said, it's hard to fault anyone for their financial decisions, but at the end of the day, it's not about money.

Naw, it's really easy to fault people for their financial decisions. People do it all the time to rich and poor alike. Thing is, it's really none of our damn business.

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I thought I read where Texas has already said Shaka is coming back?

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They predict that Beard won't leave Texas Tech because "it's not enough of a step up." But leaving VT and the ACC is?

Goodman has had Buzz leaving VT since the day Buzz set foot in Blacksburg. Guess he figures he'll eventually be right.

(He's probably right this time *sad emoji* )

Ironically, if Buzz does stay we may have 5's injury to thank.

If 5 doesn't get hurt, it's not inconceivable that we flip our last four losses in the regular season into wins. He brought 10 more points a game to the mix, and Clemson, Louisville, UVA as well as Fl State were all winnable with him on the floor.

That would mean we were 16-2 in the ACC and win the regular season. If that happens we are top 4 in Net, with wins at the end of the season over 3 top 10 teams (UVA, Duke and Fl. State). Regardless of what happens in the ACC Tourney, we probably get a 1 seed in the big dance. That means an express lane to at least the sweet 16, as we wouldn't pull a UVA as a one seed. COY in the ACC would be unanimous, and would probably be in the run for it nationally. With all of that, Buzz could see that he did reach a ceiling he wouldn't get to again for a long time, and with the attrition to the program next year he might be inclined to move on.

With all of the adversity this year it seems that things are still unfinished for Buzz at VT. At least I hope he might think that way and it factors into a tough decision.

No that is inconceivable.

Or you could look at it the other way. We finish top 10 and or 5 and get a 1 or 2 seed. Buzz then has proof that he can win the ACC at VT with the current resources so why look to leave? Just boost his salary and become a legend here. 4 Straight 20 win seasons and dominating the ACC in 18-19 would mean Buzz could have any OKG that he wanted. He'd have his choice of recruits or grad transfers and would be reloading rather than rebuilding after the season.

I think 5's injury was more of a curse than a blessing. The best thing, IMO, for keeping Buzz at VT is ACC success.

I think Buzz can do the math either way.

You're really reaching there. Look, Justin Robinson is great and we are for sure a much better team with him on the court. But keep in mind, these "numbers with Justin Robinson on the court" stats are counting games where the team played inferior non-con opponents and weaker ACC opponents.

You are right that likely some of those losses flip to W's. Probably could have looked at a 2-3 seed without injury.

I know it isn't completely an "apples to apples" comparison, but imagine if NCSU decided to try and hire a football coach from a second tier SEC football program... And was successful in doing so.

This is kind of like what is going on here. Again, not entirely "apples to apples", but similar for sure.

Is it basketball season yet?

I agree similar, but the big difference for basketball is you can win it all from anywhere. So being in a better conference matters less if all you care about is final four apperance/wins. I mean Zion on just about any team would make them a contender. You need a lot of work and a lot of players to make football work, and then there are four spots that have no guaranteed path to earning.

We should fill up he Cassell tonight for the selection show to show Buzz how much we support him.

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A call to action! I like it.

Doing better and better.

If Buzz does leave for A&M, I hope he gets a contract that makes all their fans clutch their pearls.

How was the selection show event last night? Did buzz address the crowd?

Looks like he did but there's no footage of what he said.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

He had Nolley, Radford, all the team managers, the trainers and others stand up to be recognized. Buzz got a standing ovation and thanked the crowd, then asked us to celebrate all the behind the scenes people.

The reaction looked solid on TV for the few seconds allotted.

Any buzz Williams chants?

Forget a&m. Buzz is going to UNLV.

I get mad that they want our coach, then I get mad that they think it would not be a great hire...

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

And the leader is Buzz Williams from yes you guessed it VA Tech.

Well where the hell else would I guess he was from?

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Likely an notation based on the Desiree Reed-Francois hire.

Some of the people here think he's already at Texas A&M...

Why can't they assume the good move would be to stay? It's not like we're a bad destination...Certainly better than UNLV.

...and wouldn't 2.3-2.8 be a pay cut?

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This broke my brain enough that I read it as UCLA because there's no way in hell Buzz leaves for UNLV.

Also, Tony Bennett to UCLA, please.

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Who is "Matt's"?

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My best guess would be Thad Matta

The inspiring hire would be Rick Petino for UNLV. Easy to line-up hookers for the recruits and could probably sign him in under 15 seconds.

UNLV would not be in Rick Pitino's best interest.... high levels of sun and UV rays there in the desert and vampires don't thrive in those conditions

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That's why he's coaching in Greece right now. Closer to Transylvania.

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Buzz to UNLV is laughable. The only connection I see is that Whit's old right hand (wo)man is now the AD there. That said, when she was at VT, Desiree Reed-Francois was in charge of football, not basketball. Unless Buzz really wants to move to Vegas, this is totally unrealistic.

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But seriously, given how family-focused Buzz is, Vegas seems like a terrible fit.

Everyone is doing some hardcore analysis here. To me, I go with my gut. When I see a response to reporters asking about the rumor and it goes something like "I'm just focused on this year and this team" it basically says to me "I'm gone".

I know he doesn't owe any explanation and that kind of response is certainly the 'politically correct' response. But it also does nothing to stop the rumors, and give confidence to the players and fanbase that you're staying.

He's leaving folks.

But it also does nothing to stop the rumors, and give confidence to the players and fanbase that you're staying.

To be slightly more optomistic, I don't think it definitely means he's gone, but it does mean he's entertaining offers, or at least having conversations.

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Best case scenario: Buzz is trying to get Whit to pay him/his assistants more money.

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I wonder what A&M's offer for Buzz's assistant staff is. Matching or beating that may be more important than any of the money earmarked for Buzz.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

We're not going to win any battles related to money, unless A&M is going to be stupidly stingy about his assistant budget for no reason.

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Which they are not, haven't they already essentially said they are going to do whatever it takes to get him?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I mean, not publicly but certainly there have been rumors to the tune of "A&M will do whatever it takes".

We have a few things going for us, but money won't be one of them.

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I'm well aware of that, but if A&M is only willing to open the pocketbook for the head whistle and none of his assistants then that's our chance.

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Seen multiple reports that he's being offered $5M+/yr by A&M. Would make him the 4th highest paid coach in America. He gone folks. Let's enjoy this tourney run & worry about this after

When I see a response to reporters asking about the rumor and it goes something like "I'm just focused on this year and this team" it basically says to me "I'm gone".

I tend to disagree with this. If he came out and specifically said, "I am not interested in the Texas A&M offer," or if he deviated in any way from the standard, "I'm just focused on now"...then the minute he does not squash a rumor the whole news world goes into chaos about alleged confirmed deals. The best way to squash rumors is to just not entertain them--it's both professional and responsible.

If he does go to A&M then he handled his last few weeks with VT with grace, professionalism, and dignity. If he doesn't then he rocks, and I love him even more.

Buzz is gone. Not trying to be pessimistic but, the signs are there

Only thing he has left to do is sign the dotted line to A&M.

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Are you saying you found the elusive FlightTracker flight from Blacksburg to College Station??

No but other sites are basically calling it a done deal

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Yup. All but a done deal. #sauces

What signs?

Please elaborate for the rest of us.

Whether Buzz goes or stays, it doesn't seem to much of a distraction to the players (or at least I hope) so I won't let it ruin my excitement for the tournament either.

There's a time and a place for everything, and we have yet to reach that pinnacle regarding Buzz's next move.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

How dare you be optimistic, my honey mustard sauces in the fridge are telling me the way he looked into the camera in his last interview means hes already gone

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If this is in fact a done deal, it kind of pisses me off that he'd have done all this before the season ends.

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On the bright side, it gives Whit extra time to evaluate to potential candidates. But yeah, that wouldn't be a very good look on Buzz's part.

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Whit should be doing that anyways, just in case. I would be shocked if the moment the rumor cropped up, he didn't already have a list of potential replacements in his desk drawer (or electronic equivalent thereof).

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

ehh I wouldn't mind if that's the case. He has to do what's best for him and his family like anybody in the workforce. He has that right to do so. Not much different when anybody can leave their job and only giving them 2 weeks notice.

Yea its unfortunate its would be in the middle of the season/tournament, but I wouldn't be pissed if that's the case.

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He can do what's best for his family after the tournament.

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Who are we to say what he should do and when? Especially when it comes down to his family.

IMO, from where we were to where he brought us to, he doesn't owe VT anything.

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Either you don't have a family or you're bad at being a family member.

It would literally take him saying: "Hey, A&M, I'm interested but lets hammer out details after the tournament".

And candidly, I don't appreciate your comment.

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Perhaps A&M has other candidates on their list (they do) and they time boxed their offer. A&M also knows Virginia Tech won't lay down and urgency would be a strategy from their perspective. So it might not be an option.

There's never a right time to change jobs, but faulting the guy for how he's approaching taking care of his family, when the details are sparse at best, is myopic. And I am not going to bat for Buzz in particular. I don't fault anyone for leveling up in life.

If you had a job offer that would 1.5x your salary, but you were in the middle of an extremely important project, would you turn it down or delay discussions knowing the offer might go away?

I'm in no way suggesting he should jeopardize his opportunity, nor am I faulting him for leaving. If A&M said, here's our offer take it or leave it I'd understand.

But it sounds like he's their first, second and third option right now. He's got enough leverage to tentatively agree and hammer out contract details (which, would take quite a bit of time considering he's his own agent) after the season.

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I don't even think he has to agree. Like any other coach playing in the tournament, he can say "I'm not willing to discuss that until after the tournament because I'm focused on coaching right now." Which is also a comforting value from a coach you're thinking of hiring.

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I'm actually dealing with that exact scenario right now (not exactly 1.5x, but significant) and all I can say is its an awful situation. You count your blessings that you're in demand enough that you have that decision to make, but knowing if its the right one or not is excrutiating

I've been there too, and big decisions like that are never easy to make. I wish I had better any advice, but I do believe that no matter what you do, it'll be the right thing. You won't make a bad choice either way, Bunk.

Perhaps A&M has other candidates on their list (they do) and they time boxed their offer.

If that's the case, and they're putting the screws on their preferred candidate before his season is over, then that says a lot about who he'd be working for, doesn't it?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

And candidly, I don't appreciate your comment.

In hindsight, it came off too dickish.

It was meant from my perspective of, "you'd do anything for your kids". To me it's really not your place, or anyone else's, to tell Buzz (or anyone) how to do right by their family.

Apologies for that.

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All good.

We're in general agreement about that point. I would never suggest that Buzz, you, or anyone else should put their job before their family. I'm very much on the opposite end of that spectrum.

If he figured out contract details in the week leading up to the ACC/NCAA tourney, I'd be vexed about that specific distraction...but not if delaying those negotiations would mean A&M would move on. Buzz being his own agent adds a unique level of complexity here.

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If this is in fact a done deal, it kind of pisses me off that he'd have done all this before the season ends.

I disagree. Have you ever been part of a job search before?

  1. Opportunities don't always come up at ideal times. I would never ask a career changing opportunity/dream job to wait until I finished a project a work. You risk losing the opportunity.
  2. In order to 'hit the ground running' at a new job, it helps to have your personal life in order before starting the new job.
  3. Negotiations take time. Time is money, and (related to point #1) your new potential employer may not want to lose a month after the season hammering out negotiations when it could be done now.
  4. You may not like it, but this is just the industry standard.

Finally, our team fought like hell in the ACC tourney. If our players bring the same tenacity to the big dance, then I don't care if Buzz is acting as his own agent in his free time. He's clearly getting his job done, which is all that matters.

If the team plays uninspired this Friday, I'll reverse my opinion.

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Again, Buzz could have said "Yes, I will sign with A&M but lets finalize contract details after I'm done with the NCAA tourney".

I'm not arguing that Buzz should have done anything to risk losing out on the opportunity and if A&M said that he needed to accept now or lose out that's fine...but it sounds like he's SUCH a priority for them that he could have focused on this after the end of the season.

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And A&M could say, "We want it in writing or we're moving on to other candidates."

I'm almost positive A&M has known this outcome for a long time well before the season really started.

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What you say may be true, but how are you "almost positive"?

I mean, this is either a known known, or a known unknown.

Scuttlebutt interpretation falls into the latter category.

Except in this instance as is the case with many sports, there are written and in many cases, unwritten rules about when and how you negotiate. One of the big one for most sports is that a coach doesn't negotiate until after the season is complete to include post season. In this instance, because Buzz is on contract with Virginia Tech, technically Texas A&M has to submit a written request to Virginia Tech and receive approval before its supposed to begin negotiations with Buzz. There are of course always gray backchannel talks but that's true anywhere.

Did you have the same opinion when Fuente was hired away from Memphis?

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Fuente has an agent, and didn't agree to sign with VT in the weeks leading up to the College Football Playoffs, so that's not a great comparison.

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This comes off as splitting hairs. Fuente left Memphis before their postseason game. Obviously not as important as a national championship run, but it's kind of a stretch to say we're in contention to win it all, even though we technically are.

The point is that this is the way coaching changes happen in the top level of college sports, and it's dishonest to hold out going VT coaches to a different standard than incoming ones. It doesn't mean we can't be upset at the circumstances surrounding a departure, only recognize that those feelings are being colored by maroon and orange glasses.

And if a Memphis fan told me they were frustrated by that I would be completely understanding of that sentiment.

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Great parallel - For those who forgot, Fuente-to-VT was leaked at the half time of a Memphis game that Fuente was coaching in. Fuente didn't coach their bowl game.

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While I understand what you're trying to say, the NCAA tournament is literally how the national champion is determined for men's basketball. Virginia Tech is still in contention for a national championship. Memphis was not in contention for a national championship when Fuente's hiring was announced. Also, it's extremely common for football coaches to miss bowl games due to changing jobs and I can't recall a single basketball coach doing so prior to or during the NCAA tournament.

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Buzz isn't changing jobs in the middle of the post season; he's waiting until after the season to do it, but (it appears) that he's negotiating right now. I see no issue with this, assuming it does not prevent him from carrying out his coaching duties.

As long as our team gives it their all during the tourney, I don't know how anyone can be mad about when Buzz starts his negotiations.

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The best parallel I can think of is when Kevin Dresser left VT wrestling for Iowa State (his "dream" school). Word spread quickly the day of the final home match which he coached and then was planning to "talk with his family" that night before making a decision. He ultimately left for ISU and did not coach in the ACC tournament or the NCAA tournament. I imagine the players and VT would have preferred that he coached through the end of the year but the timing just didn't work out. The only thing he likely gave up were any financial incentives tied to conference/national standing.

He's not an insider, just a writer at their SB Nation site. Likely just reiterating what everyone is hearing.

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Don't know one way or the other, but rumors take on a life of their own.

Based on his other tweets, a mindless blowhard.

Obvious position for an "A&M blogger" to take. If Buzz comes then he viewed as someone "on the inside" and it drives his traffic. If he doesn't come, everyone will forget he tweeted this.

Based on his previous tweets, he seems like a tool. 0/10 credibility.

Fake news. At least until it ain't.

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Didn't realize Wes Miller played a season at JMU. He's from Greensboro, only a couple hours from Blacksburg. Only downside would be that if he performs well, he could easily be poached after Roy retires.

Oh wow, for some reason I didn't piece together that the "Williams" in the thread title referred to Buzz. I thought it was regarding a recruit or something...so this is some news lol.

So I guess we should enjoy this tournament run while we can, eh?

Good grief some of you all are coming across as a crazy possessive girlfriend who is alwaydy convinced her bf is cheating on her

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But I read "Fifteen Signs Your Basketball Coach Is Cheating On You, #6 Will Blow Your Mind", and at least two of them applied to Buzz (staying late at the office, dressing really nice). So that means there's something to it, right? ;^)

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haven't you been claiming "signs on the wall" for several seasons now?

(should have been a reply to Alum07)

Don't forget Changes Appearance Drastically (A whole head of hair)

Yeah, and he's been hitting the gym a lot...

I think the concern is justified, but the thing that makes me a little optimistic is that Texas A&M just isn't that great of a job. At A&M there's no tradition, basketball will always be 2nd to football, and A&M will always be the little brother of UT in Texas. Buzz is a great coach, and he can clearly build a winning program just about anywhere. But I don't think the ceiling at A&M is any higher than it is at VT.

If it's all about coaching in Texas, or if it's about the money (and who could really blame him), then A&M makes sense. But if it's about winning, I think A&M is a lateral move.

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You could have made the exact same argument for VT basketball. We were known as a football school, basketball would always be second. But buzz has been able to build it into it's own thing, with great success. Would make sense that A&M would want him then.

That's exactly my point. A&M is no better of a coaching job than VT. It's literally a lateral move.

And of course A&M wants him. He's a better coach than they are a program. Frankly, he can do better.

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Not that I want Buzz to leave but he left Marquette for a 2-win ACC team...that is a lot worse than lateral.

Except one team is in the ACC and plays against the best teams in the country, and one team plays against the best teams in the country in the tournament only

Yeah but it still was a step back and my point was that we can't make the argument "why would he make a lateral move?" when the move to VT was anything but that.

It's like swapping a corvette for a beat up Mk4 Supra with the 2JZ-GTE engine. The supra is initially crap compared to the 'vette but with a lot of work it can begin to even beat the super cars out there. No one would argue making that swap is a step back initially but with a huge amount of potential.

If the "Supra" is in my home garage and i'll Get paid $5+M per year, I might think it's worth the restoration!

Some people just love to build and fix more than driving something that's already re-built! (Damnit!!!)

I think the real argument is that Texas A&M doesn't have any higher upside than Virginia Tech, other than the ability to pay him stupid money. Virginia Tech had a lot higher upside than Marquette, being in the best basketball conference in the land. It might have been a downgrade at the time due to where VT was vs Marquette, but the upside was higher. The upside isn't higher at aTm.

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The upside isn't higher at aTm.

They have more money and almost double the talent pool, specifically the deep end. The 247Sports Composite lists 6 blue-chip prospects (4-star or greater) in Virginia for both the 2019 and 2020 recruiting cycles. Texas boasts 12 and 11, respectively.

That's really not going to change any time soon. However, the ACC may lose its throne after K, Williams, Boeheim, etc... retire. Also, for as much as selling point as it is to play against the best, the SEC is appealing because it's an easier path to the dance.

The talent pool at this level in basketball isn't limited by state boundaries, so I don't even think that's a thing.

Also, I think the rumors of the ACC's demise in basketball are greatly exaggerated.

I'm just saying that some of the rationale being offered in support Buzz leaving seems like a stretch to me. I think a coach could decide either way and support it with some kind of rationale.

But I keep going back to Buzz's rationale for coming to VT in the first place, and it was to play against the best of the best in the ACC. You can't get there for the SEC without some major assumptions about trends.

As it stands now, it's really cut and dry. There are two major factors at play — 1. Money and 2. Home.

Virginia Tech cannot match either of them. Any other arguments made in either direction are seemingly ancillary at this point in time.

He also had a need to leave Marquette due to changes in the program outside of his control (Change is Athletic Director twice, Change in School President) New regime didn't support Buzz or the budget he was allocated at Marquette. They forced him to fire his "best friend" assistant head coach for what normally would have been a fine and suspension type violation.

One wild card.

Buzz is self proclaimed as "wierd"! He does things for his own reasons and I'm not sure any of us will have a clue as to what he ultimately decides.... my hope: He meets the new AD and realizes how special his relationship with Whit REALLY is and "calculates" that our opportunity gives him the best chance to reach whatever 5-10 year goals he's got in that notebook of his!!!

Or hell! Maybe he just backs up the Brinks truck and is home and set for life (maybe he even ups his Perdium to $75/day!!!!)

Whatever he does, he has made a lasting impact here! (Anybody notice that even after 5 years, Marquette still made the tournament!) Hard not to wish he and his family well, whatever his decision!

I've heard that Buzz and Whit don't really get along very well, is there any truth to that?

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...maybe he even ups his Perdium...

Is that what he's on? I'll have some of that.

Edit: Serves me right for opening five tabs and reading this one last. I'll drink.

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Time to pony up $4M/yr for Jay Wright? What about one of the Hurleys?

I mean I think Buzz is gonna leave and all but suggesting we can get Jay Wright is insane

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We have a lot to offer. He'd get to go against K, Roy, Jim, Tony and Larranaga on the regular. Throw in Mack and Brey too.

If you want to be the best, you gotta beat the best. And not because you get a favorable seeding in a tourney.

There's no good reason we couldn't get someone like Wright if we wanted him enough.

I seem to recall Villanova being the best 2 of the last 3 years. That seems like a decent reason.

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I'm talking about us. If we want to be the best, we need to do more than just get favorable seedings.

Losing to UNC and F$U (twice) is terrible. Losing to LOLuva twice in a season is unacceptable.

Maybe Coach K will leave Duke for us if Wright decides to stay little ol Villanova.

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If losing to a team that spends entire seasons in the top 5 is unacceptable to you then you're going to have a real tough time for a couple of seasons if Buzz leaves.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I'm going to have a really tough time with dem Hoos succeeding at anything. My question is, do we want to be second place in the state to Tommy Jefferson's School for Misfits? Are you willing to roll over and not put up a fight?

do we want to be second place

No?

Are you willing to roll over and not put up a fight?

No?

I do believe in reasonable expectations though. Any new coach we may hire isn't going to be one who has previously won a national championship, and it would take a couple of years to even begin to approach UVA again if we're forced to start over from the attrition that would come with a coaching change. Framing losing to them twice as unacceptable is some SEC football Twitter fan nonsense when the team we're comparing ourselves against has won the ACC regular season four out of the last six seasons.

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Got it. Have a nice day.

I'm just glad when we have games against UVA/UNC/DUKE/etc. I go in knowing we have a solid chance at victory and it's no longer considered an "upset". Even beating Duke this year... our fans seem to understand that now and that's why Rece Davis seemed so confused when the court storm never really took off like he thought it would at the end of the telecast.

We've been a basketball school for 5 minutes and now losing to the best teams in the country is unacceptable?

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I agree Jay Wright isn't magically going to be on the short-list, but the 'lower your expectations' stuff about all things VT athletics gets obnoxious. We have zero team national titles. We do not have a 'spoiled fanbase' as some love to say

Lowering our (generic us, mostly Whit) expectations didn't get Buzz here. We can and should be aiming higher than a Weaver hire, and I don't think there is a reason why we shouldn't be expected to go 1-1 against UVA every year. That seems like a reasonable goal/expectation of our MBB program.

This wasn't really directed at you, SH, just an observation that is frustrating to me.

I'm all about wanting/having high expectations for success.

But I think making a statement like "it is unacceptable to lose to FSU/UVA twice and losing to UNC" (when we aren't traditionally even a ranked program) is a bit over the top, especially in the sport of basketball where literally a few bounces can change the outcome.

Rarely do teams go undefeated, so I can't agree with the statement that losing five games to 3 of the top 4 teams in the best conference in America is unacceptable. (or 5 games to teams ranked in the top 10ish, however you want to look at it)

If we win 2 or 3 of those above listed games, but lose second round of the NCAA, or to Duke in the sweet 16, is that still unacceptable?

What I think is acceptable is the fact our culture has changed where we've gone into the last two seasons with the expectation that we can beat any team we play. Kentucky @ Kentucky, an undefeated UVA @ UVA, Duke, UNC, etc....

As I've gotten older, my expectations towards VT teams (mostly football) have become non-existent. When I was in high school and throughout college (2001-2009) I expected our football team to compete for National Championships....and when we would lose one game I would take it incredibly hard and it ruined weeks of my life at a time.

It is hard to maintain those expectations while also keeping a realistic outlook on VT sports. It's more important to me now to not come off as a VT homer when talking sports with outsiders. So now that I'm 32, I just don't expect anything. I enjoy our successes when we have them and if our team struggles (like last year's football), it is what it is...I'm happier now watching games, and while losses still suck, that displeasure usually fades within a few hours of venting on here or after sleeping on it.

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So... Jay Wright might leave Villanova for VT in order to play against the toughest coaches in the country. However, losing to top 15 teams is terrible and losing to the 2nd best team in the country is unacceptable.

Yeah. No idea how Wright would be able to turn down that offer.

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You're right. Let's just go hire Ricky Stokes or James Johnson. We have nothing to offer, so let's just be basement dwellers again. /s

Jay Wright is a top 5 coach paid over $4M annually already. There's a huge difference between being unrealistic and "we have nothing to offer."' VT is capable of getting an excellent coach and we should absolutely get the best one we can. However, there are several hundreds (perhaps thousands)!of coaches in the quality range between Jay Wright and James Johnson/Ricky Stokes.

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Your level of expectations are utterly ridiculous.

Please explain. Wanting to beat UVa is utterly ridiculous? Wanting to be a top team in the ACC is utterly ridiculous?

UVa did jack diddly shit after Terry Holland left except for 1 Elite 8 under Jeff Jones before the wheels fell off. Leitao tied for the regular season lead in one good year. Until Tony came along, they pretty much sucked like us before Buzz got here.

It's not like UVa is getting all 5* players. We've supposedly outrecruited them 4 of the last 5 years. So, why is it utterly ridiculous for us not to be able to build a program that can compete at that level?

No one is saying beating UVA is ridiculous, being butt hurt losing to a top 5 team is ridiculous. Hiring Jay Wright is ridiculous. Expecting to be able to hire someone and immediately beat UVA is ridiculous. It's not how basketball works we're gonna have a significant drop in production with a staff change losing Buzz

You are moving the goalposts here. Virginia Tech losing to a Roy Williams UNC team in Chapel Hill cannot be considered "terrible". Losing to a very good FSU team in overtime twice is not by any means "terrible". Losing to Virginia, one of (if not the) top programs in college basketball should not be "unacceptable". I want Tech to win as much as anyone but your standards are unreasonable.

UVA basketball is light years ahead of VT basketball right now. Yes. I don't care if we have beaten them a couple regular season games the past few years. Their program is a legit top 5 program in the country. VT has had a good