Sour Tastes: A High Level Review of VT's win over UNC

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Good afternoon folks. I hope your hangover and frostbite has been as minimal as possible. I for one am dealing with elevated bloodpressure and a sour stomach after what at best can be called an "uneven" win over the Tarheels on Senior Night at Lane Stadium.

I anticipated that this game would be a unique challenge, a classic trap game against a team with a high talent level that has underperformed coming off a bye week after the Hokies won a brutally physical and emotional game in Atlanta. North Carolina presented an additional challenge in that they featured by far the best defensive front seven talent the Hokies have faced all season. I however, retained a high degree of hope because of the high stakes for the Hokies coupled with UNC's near utter failure to compete against NC State in a rivalry game their last time on the gridiron. I went into the game focused on three matchups. 1) How would the Hokies offensive line, which looked dominant against GT, respond to the challenge presented by large, athletic defensive tackles and a likely top 10 NFL draft pick at DE in Quinton Coples. 2) How would the Hokies defensive line stand up to a huge UNC offensive line one week after Derrick Hopkins, James Gayle, and JR Collins played without a single substitution against the hard driving cut blocking GT option attack? 3) Could Jaron Hosley bounce back and have a good game against a NFL prospect WR.

Little did I know, these matchups were only part of the story. Both teams were at best erratic both with execution and effort. The officiating was horrendous, even though it almost universally benefited Virginia Tech, with three huge calls (Highsmith catch, Wilson fumble, and the pass interference on Boykin) all going Virginia Tech's way, even though both reviewable plays clearly showed a catch and a fumble. Neither team protected the football well, and both offensive coaching staffs let the defenses off the hook with uber-conservative playcalling.

Before getting into the review, I think that the one glowing positive takeaway from this game is the play of Logan Thomas. I have noted his accuracy and command in the pocket coupled with his running ability as major weapons. Those skills have been exhibited for the most part when he has faced very little pressure since the Clemson game. Last night, Logan Thomas executed as a playmaker while under tremendous duress in the most adverse weather conditions of his career. It wasn't always pretty, but he effectively used his arm and legs to overcome HORRENDOUS blitz pickup by his offensive line and backs, coupled with a virtual absence of an effective running game. He had a few busted reads in the option game, and I certainly would have hoped to see him audible more in the running game to adjust to some of UNC's 8 man front looks, but when he needed to make plays, Logan made chicken salad. He has clearly marked himself as the clutch, go to playmaker in this offense. The 15+ play drive that turned the momentum back to the Hokies was a thing of beauty in its ugliest form. Thomas kept the sticks moving. It didn't result in points, but it calmed everything down. As the game progressed, Logan controlled the pace, made plays when he had to, and generally made you feel confident in the Hokies chances.

And, if there was any doubt about Logan Thomas and his value, it was showcased even more due to the abysmal effort put forward by David Wilson and the offensive line last night. Andrew Lainer and Nick Becton were completely overmatched attempting to block Quinton Coples in the passing game.  Nosal, Miller/Via, Brooks, and DeChristopher had repeated busts against relatively simple cross stunts by defensive linemen and blitz pickups by linebackers. Via is a capable backup, but part of those struggles COULD have been the result of botched offensive line calls by the center. Still. the Hokies struggled even before Miller was hurt. Failure to establish an identity in the running game again rose its ugly head. Coach O'Cainspring completely abandoned the toss power play that was so effective against Georgia Tech, and ran a minimal amount of off tackle power, blocking down the tight ends while leading the fullback and backside guard through the hole. They went back to a zone blocking scheme, which more often than not resulted in large losses due to failures to seal the mammoth UNC defensive ends and athletic outside backers. The Hokies were somewhat more effective out of the shotgun, but again the coaching staff seemed to favor more counter and misdirection save for the veer power runs of Logan Thomas. The Hokies found most of their running success when favoring straight ahead, quick hitting offensive plays, and when the Hokie offense was operating at its best, these types of between the tackle runs really sapped UNC's DL.

And, David Wilson. Oh my, David Wilson. Again, ball security and a total lack of football IQ on the part of David Wilson almost crushed the Hokies last time. I don't agree with Craig James on, well, anything, but he was spot on in his criticism of Wilson running backwards on CRITICAL down and distance situations when he didn't have a hole last night. He had several issues with ball security, and one CLEARLY was a fumble that somehow wasn't called a fumble upon review. I love the kid's effort, but he just isn't a smart football player right now.

Everybody on offense seemed to be playing a step slow last night with the exception of Cole, Coales, and Boykin, LLC. All three had outstanding games both catching and blocking.

Defensively, the Hokies looked slow and reactionary for large portions of the game. UNC let them off the hook with some very tenative playcalling and use of personnel. The Hokie defensive ends struggled all night with run fits and gap control, and produced almost nothing rushing the passer. Luther Maddy made a huge play on the early UNC fumble, but was pushed backwards much of the night. Derrick Hopkins is and continues to be a warrior, but the wear and tear of constant double teams has him unable to play every snap with the same intensity as early in the year. The Hokies got ZERO pressure with a four man rush, but Bud Foster did an outstanding job of using blitzing to make Renner throw inaccurately. I thought Jack Tyler and Tariq Edwards both played very well, however the Dietrick Bonner whip experiment was an unmitigated disaster in the first half.

The Hokie secondary typified my frustration last night. In the first half, Jayron Hosley was abysmal. He was beaten on simple routes, without applying much pressure at all to the receivers. He also was manhandled when trying to tackle. Someone really must have lit a fire under his ass, because as the game went on, he became much more aggressive, deflecting several passes and essentially taking the boundary completely away from UNC.Meanwhile, Eddie Whitley had his best game this season... right up until he was sleep walking and busted the coverage that lead to UNC's 70 yard reception on their last touchdown drive. Kyle Fuller was fantastic in run support as he moved back to whip, but then got beat for the last touchdown. Antone Exum looked like Ronnie Lott one play, and Jim Leonahrd the next. The execution was uneven at best.

Finally, I absolutely was digusted with the lack of effort in the second half of the 4th quarter. UNC had, for all intensive purposes, quit following the DJ Coles touchdown. The Hokies let up, and that allowed UNC to get back into the game. I have a feeling Frank Beamer will go to the whip hard this week early to send the message that such a letdown runs against the entire ethos of what Hokie football is about.

I won't be able to do a play by play review this week, but I would be thrilled to have some back and forth. As always, it is very difficult to watch things as closely while the game is live, so perhaps I have been overly critical of some players while not harsh enough on others. I appreciate the back and forth, and look forward to your comments.

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french60wasp's picture

As much as I have a man crush #

As much as I have a man crush on Kyle Fuller, he got beat cleanly looking into the backfield on the last UNC touchdown. It was real real bad.

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french60wasp's picture

Eddie Whitley, a senior, was #

Eddie Whitley, a senior, was totally unprepared for the last big catch by Highsmith. The whole defense was disorganized, as Fuller should have been up on the line ready to blitz, but the slot guy just ran a deep flag route to the sideline, and Whitley just ignored him. I have no idea what Whitley was doing.

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DavidWilsonsWhip's picture

Watching it in real time... #

... and based on his reaction, it seemed to me that Whitley was expecting help on that play. But who knows.

RE: the secondary. As you stated, Hosley played maybe the worst half of football in his collegiate career in the first 30 minutes. I actually tweeted after the first long completion he gave up to Jones that if I was UNC, and I saw that 1-on-1 matchup, I would take it all night. And for most of the first half, the Heels had tremendous success throwing to his side of the field. Keep in mind, he still may not be 100% with the hamstring and by all accounts, it was cold as shit last night, so that may have contributed to his slow start. The second half he played more like Brandon Flowers than Ronyell Whitaker, and the difference was night and day. He was jumping routes like a fiend.

ALSO, I don't think we should overlook the fact that in the midst of his craptacular first half, Jayron made probably the biggest play of the game when he KTFO Giovanni Bernard. Bernard had outplayed Wilson by a wide margin at that point in the game, and that TD run on UNC's opening drive featured one of the prettier spin moves I've seen in a while.

For the most part, I thought Exum and Whitley played good games, sans the long completion at the end. Fuller, as always, had a good number of impressive tackles.

Bonner at WHIP in the first half was an unmitigated disaster. I haven't gone back and rewatched the DVR yet, but it seemed like every time UNC ran the ball in the first half, #8 was woefully out of position. Multiple times the ball carrier simply ran by him, or he took such bad angles at the point of attack that he took himself out of position to make a play on the ball. It will be a welcome relief to have Tweedy back in the lineup against UVA.

RE: offense. While it may not have been spectacular, the Stine-Caine offense's quick perimeter passes and WR screens were deftly effective during a majority of the game. Whatever works. What doesn't work: putting the ball on the ground. While I appreciate the hard-running style of David Wilson, his tendency of putting the ball on the ground lately is disconcerting. Ball security cannot be stressed enough, especially against a team as talented as UNC.

So what did I like? Logan's moxie against a defensive front 7 that overwhelmed the Tech offense line most of the night. He is such a pleasure to watch. I also liked the way Josh Oglesby came off the bench late in the game to almost single-handedly drive the offense down the field for Tech's final touchdown. The Oglesbeast ran with authority. Aside from Boykin's career night, the WRs were excellent with their blocks on the perimeter all night.

Was it Tech's most complete performance of the season? Far from it. But good teams find a way to win even when they don't play their best. A win's a win, and we are one victory (either FSU or us) away from the rematch we've be waiting for.

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TheArchitect's picture

Wilson Fumble #

Couldn't agree more that Wilson officially has a ball security issue (Can't help but to wonder, as much as I like Shane, if something isn't being taught/communicated the same way as when Hite was running the backs, so to speak). Also couldn't agree more that the officiating was horrendous, and almost exclusively to our benefit. But I did want to point out one thing that Rece mentioned briefly during the broadcast. Apparently the Wilson fumble play had been blown dead due to his lack of forward progress. Therefore no review or challenge was possible. So it was moot that the ball came out before he hit the ground. Don't know if Rece had that right, but he's the only member of that broadcast crew I have any faith in, so, I will take him at his word.

Great write up as always. Will miss the play-by-play analysis, but completely understand that it must be a very time consuming process for you. As a huge football fan with zero time actually playing football myself (was soccer all the way for me), it's great to slowly learn some of the game within the game. Thanks very much.


That's what I heard too, but #

That's what I heard too, but I had people over and they weren't paying too much attention to the game so it was hard for me to. So I dunno if he's full of shit...


pbowman69's picture

1st Half #

I pretty sure before Bearnard was KO'd when they ran to the outside/off tackle it was almost exclusively at Jayron and Collins who both looked like they had no interest being out there at all in the 1st half

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Hokie_Bruin_LA's picture

wilson's ball security #

Truthfully, Wilson can be one of the more talented backs in the country. However, strictly in a pragmatic sense, I'm hoping that his fumbles are addition by subtraction. If Wilson has a tremendous season this year, he's out. He might still be out but ball security is a serious draft issue and if it keeps him here an extra year, especially one in which LT might really come into his own, it might be worth it. I gotta say though, I was dumbfounded by LT (in a good way). I 'm pretty sure I told someone this past week that LT is good, but he's not ready to put the team on his back like DMFW. I stand corrected.

Really great analysis and actually catching the 4th quarter last night reminds me of why, sometimes, it's nice to miss so many games due to blackouts and time differences.

Coale'd blooded


HokieJoe3's picture

Agree w/ Addition by Subtraction #

I was thinking the same thing about the fumbles as long as it doesn't cost us a game. Feeling that the ball security and the need to improve his vision might keep him.

BTW I always feel like those rubber elbow pads are horrible for ball security especially with a back that already has ball security issues.

As far as LT, I didn't expect he would be good enough to carry a team on his back but since he ran into the endzone for the final score against Miami I've felt like he's taken ownership of the team.


Box's picture

LiveBlog #

We were debating last night how badly you were going to rip the OL. I was correct.


french60wasp's picture

I thought DeChristopher got #

I thought DeChristopher got better as the game went on, and Via accounted for himself pretty well except for one holding call and one bad snap. Early on, DeChristopher and Brooks were getting beat with cross stunts between the DT and DE, which in UNC's scheme was simply to draw blockers for the linebackers to blitz. They got that worked out later.

Nosal and Lainer/Becton, different story all together. Coples absolutely dominated Lainer, to the point where it seemed that Stinespring went more with Becton. Becton however got beat cleanly on several dropback passes. A buddy of mine who is an assistant coach at a high school close to VT was at the game, and he referred to Nosal's play as: "He is wedding dick. Stands up right at the snap." I couldn't have said it better. He plays too high, and doesn't have enough leg drive against big defensive tackles. If you want to know why the Hokies didn't run the sneak as well, watch Nosal get stood up by the UNC three technique again and again. Next season, the Hokies have four 4 star recruits on the depth chart. Do the Hokies figure out how to get their size and athleticism on the field, or do they go with the safe bet guys like Via (who can play) and Wang? I don't know if they would know where to go, but guys like Gibson and Painter at least could match up to a Coples in the strength and athleticism department.

I had a running text conversation with MrTKP, lamenting why we can't recruit any 6'5 250 pound+ defensive ends who can not only speed rush, but who can bull rush, push-pull, hump move, and do a rip technique. Coples was a 4 star DE from Hargrave. Didn't we own Hargrave?

Maybe Jarontay Jones can be that guy.

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BeerControlOffense's picture

we didn't buy #

coples a nice enough ride to come to vt.

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french60wasp's picture

Regarding Hosley, the big hit #

Regarding Hosley, the big hit was the first of two plays which really turned around his game. The second was a 3rd and long play where he closed on the boundary split end running a 7 yard curl. UNC called that route as a primary read because they felt that Hosley would not be able to tackle Jones one on on. Hosley exploded out of his backpeddle and broke up the completion. From that point on, I can not recall them making a play to his side other than the offensive pass interference call. I am not sure how he was in run support, but I didn't notice any glaring issues.

Bonner was just awful at whip. He got upfield well reading the play, but almost without exception attempt to run wide as the blockers came to him. I know he is a corner, but if he has that responsibility, he has to take on the blocker while retaining outside leverage. Either he got kicked out, or he lost leverage and ran by the back unblocked, again, again, and again. I will be interested in the film to see how the Hokies adjusted. It seemed like they used Fuller at whip AND at field corner at different times in the second half. He was defintely playing corner on the last drive, where he was out of position to start his blitz on the long Highsmith completion, and then he got caught flatfooted looking into the backfield on a pump to get beat over the top on the last touchdown. As for Whitley expecting help, he is the guy who yelled at Fuller to blitz, and he was at the same depth as Exum. I don't know where he could have expected the help to come from. I think he just tuned out and looked for the QB to underthrow the ball as result of the blitz so he could pick it off. Fuller was late because he wasn't at the line on the snap, and the blitz never got there. It was an easy throw for Renner, and Whitley looked bad.

Exum had an outstanding game. He has been really good after struggling against some of the weaker teams.

Viva El Guapo


french60wasp's picture

Screen/Bubble Screen Passing Game #

As noted by DavidWilsonsWhip, the Hokies effectively used the bubble screen package in response to the inability to run the football. Mike O'Cain has done a tremendous job of mixing up the looks to essentially run the same play. Last night, he ran WR screens from I, one back, and shotgun (which is a new ingrediant that will help the zone read running plays.) Some were quick throws, others used play action, and others delayed, allowing both the slot and the wide man to be involved. Each different wrinkle caused the defense to freeze, allowing Boykin, Coale, Coles, and Davis to each have some nice blocks. The Hokies also used a nice one man jailbreak screen to Boykin. It never fails to amaze me that a defense can't stop this play, but I watched my alma mater run almost 35 similar plays against Hampden Sydney at our homecoming game, and HSC (a vastly more talented team) could not stop it. Well done by O'Cain to take something so simple and make it an effective weapon. I would have liked to have seen them run it more in the 4th quarter when the Hokies continued to have trouble running the football.

Also, when they had blocking, I would have liked to have seen more go routes like the one Boykin ran. That route was there all night, but O'Cain didn't have faith that his line could block it effectively. My adjustment would have been to have two plays called, and have Logan waggle away from Coples, rolling blocking to double him. The waggle, along with the toss power play, both were absent after being super effective against GT.

Regarding Wilson, it makes me sick to rip the guy. I know effort isn't the issue. I just see so much ability that it kills me when he does something stupid, and the double kicker is that these are the same mistakes over and over again. I am sure the coaches are not on the sideline telling him to expose the ball, not hit the correct hole, or run backwards in the 4th quarter on a 2nd and 4 where a few first downs will ice the game. He isn't absorbing and applying what he is being taught. I absolutely think it damages him as an NFL prospect, just like the failures in pass protection diminished Ryan Williams (who was much more NFL-ready). Running backs are not high value positions in the NFL right now, and the difference between a back on waivers and a star is perhaps half a yard average per carry and the ability to protect the football and get north/south, pick up blitzers, and be durable. Last night, Wilson failed two of the three, and all season he has been a guy who has big runs, but often doesn't finish drives. Also, he has not been nearly as big a threat in the passing game as any of us anticipated. He isn't Reggie Bush. He is Michael Bennett, execept he is much tougher to tackle once you catch him.

Viva El Guapo


french60wasp's picture

UNC fans have come up with this little diddy #

UNC vs VT

In 3 Games Refereed by Ron Cherry (2011, 2009, 2008):

Team......Penalties.......Penalty Yards
UNC..........8.7.................70
VT............3.7.................32
Diff............5.0................38

In 5 Games NOT Refereed by Ron Cherry (2010, 2007, 2006, 2005, 2004):

Team Penalties Penalty Yards
UNC.........5.8............43
VT....... ...7.6............60
Diff.........-1.8 .........-17

So my question is, is Ronnie available December 3rd? Ha!

Viva El Guapo


HokieJoe3's picture

Haha .. I've noticed it too #

I enjoy the games with good ol' Ron Cherry


InEnemyTerritory's picture

Re: officiating #

Refs have been uniformly abysmal in the ACC this year. I've seen at least two or three blown calls in every game I've watched this year. And let's not even talk about the FSU/Miami game last week....when they start reviewing the reviews, it ain't good folks!

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.


InEnemyTerritory's picture

Re: game mentality #

It appeared to me that the heels checked out mentally in the third quarter, but checked back in after we checked out in the fourth. At 24-7, under normal circumstances, perhaps that wouldn't be a problem, however you open the door a crack on a team as talented as UNC and you can have a big problem. Games like that are why I do not mind seeing any team continue to be aggressive and push the ball down field, scoring as much as possible. I doubt if Frank thinks this way, but I'm of the opinion, it's our job to go out and score as much as possible, and it's your job to stop me. If you don't do your job, don't complain about me doing mine. This game reminded me of the Miami game to an extent, in that I think after opening up a sizable lead, we went into a shell and nearly blew it. There's a lesson there, I think.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.


InEnemyTerritory's picture

BTW..... #

Preliminary 2012 OL discussion....how does the kid transferring from GA fit in?

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french60wasp's picture

I always forget about #

I always forget about Benedict. He was a tackle at Georgia but Beer Control said he is getting snaps at guard.

Benedict, Shuman, Acree, Gibson, and Painter are all 4 stars. I bet at the most only 2 start.

Viva El Guapo


Be fair. #

Acree is a 4 star defensive end. We have no idea how he would have projected as an offensive line recruit.


french60wasp's picture

A bunch of folks I have #

A bunch of folks I have talked to said that the Hokies always wanted Acree as an OL, but he wanted to play DT. If he had gone to a team that runs a normal 4-3, he would still be at DT. He just isn't built to run the gap control slants that the Hokies use.

The Hokies defensive line since they changed to this defense IS NOT SUPPOSED TO MAKE PLAYS unless an OL makes a bust. Their job is to funnel the running back to a partcular linebacker or the rover. The downside to the scheme is that NOBODY on the Hokies defensive front other than Jason Worilds has been any good rushing the passer since Darryl Tapp. Gayle has good upfield speed, but doesn't have a second move (a "leverage move.") Collins has to read run first, and isn't explosive, although he has much better leverage rush. If you could mutate the two together, you would have something. The Hokies have sacks because of the blitz packages, which gets completely nutted if a team can run the ball and use play action (freezes the backers.)

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pRoJeCtPaT16's picture

Defensive Line? #

French, being at the game the thing i noticed most was the lack of penetration by the d line throughout the game. Do you really think UNC's o-line is that good? Was it scheme? Or was it effort? There just wasn't that push up the middle that I have been used to seeing all year that forces the QB or running back into Collins and Gale.

On a second note does anyone know how many fumbles DW4 has this year both in total and lost? We tried to look it up the other night and had trouble finding that stat. I seriously think the fumbles could keep him in school another year. NFL teams won't put up with fumbling.

Anyways, enjoyed the read. I think in general it was a decent game by the Hokies for 3 and a half quarters. The game could have easily been 31-7 not 24-21.


french60wasp's picture

I wasn't suprised that the DL #

I wasn't suprised that the DL had a down game. They were beat up after Gayle, Hopkins, and especially Collins played every snap against Georgia Tech. Those were tough snaps, with lots of doubles and cut blocks.

The lack of faith the Hokie coaching staff has in Zach McCray this season has been a killer, and even Bud Foster's guy Tyrell Wilson didn't get on the field except for one series this week. I can't recall Marshall getting on the field either.

Viva El Guapo


Did our last offensive play #

Did our last offensive play confuse the fuck out of anyone else? I mean, why did we not tell LT "Take the ball and RUN THE FUCK AWAY"? I mean, wouldn't it have been better to run it all the way into their end zone and give them the safety rather than give them one more offensive play? If UNC hadn't been retarded their last play it could have ended so badly for us. Or was there something I didn't see?


1st and Goal on the 1 #

If anyone has an explanation as to why we took the ball five yards backwards to give it to Wilson twice instead of just letting our massive QB take the 1 yard plunge I'd love to hear it. That cost us 4 points right there, no reason for Tech to get fancy, just punch it in. When we have first and goal on the 1 I want to see QB sneaks until we score or turn it over on downs. No reason to do anything else with LT3's ability to pick up the short yardage.


joe's picture

No Idea #

I said on Twitter that it was a terrible play call that O'Cain didn't call on #3 with one yard to go. Whenever it's 3rd or 4th down outside the red zone with 1-2 yards to go Logan should get the ball. Inside the 20 he should carry every time with 1-2 yards to go. The backs have been too inconsistent picking up those short yards, and more importantly Logan has been ultra consistent. How many times has he not gotten a first down or touchdown in those situations? He's as effective as Tebow was at Florida.

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InEnemyTerritory's picture

Speaking of Tebow... #

LT3 has some of the same qualities (big, punishing runner) as Tebow....but seems to be much better in the passing game. A little film study of old gator games could be most profitable to Ocainspring....I still think the fake-QB-run-up-the-middle/jump-pass-to-the-TE-drifting-behind-the-linebackers would be great...especially in the ACCCG

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David Wilson 2nd Quarter run #

I've been watching the replay and on DW4's long run in the 2nd to the goal line and I can't see his knee touch anywhere but on the right side of touchdown. His head touches on the 1 yard line. Anyone else notice that?