
Hey, y'all! Only ninety-nine days till the 2012 season kicks off! In reality, that means really only a little more than two months until camp opens, and it actually starts to FEEL like football season. Y'know, it'll be nice to see players in pads again, running through drills. This off-season has been so quiet, amiright?
Joking aside, much like last summer, the college football world as we know it seems on the precipice of major upheaval. Last year, the long-term viability of the Big East and Big XII were questioned; this year, the ACC – whose invitations to the University of Pittsburgh and Syracuse University contributed to the continental reorganization of the Big East – now finds itself at the center of attention.
Florida State – or at the very least, members of the FSU Board of Trustees – has been clear about its intentions regarding the state of their conference affiliation, and the ACC seemingly is no longer a part of that equation. With Florida State and the Big XII not-so-subtly courting each other, discussions about the sustainability of the ACC in a post-FSU world have become popular. If we are to take our Twitter streams seriously (and we shouldn’t), FSU won’t be moving to the Big XII alone; there seems to be agreement that Clemson would joined the Seminoles in the new Big XII.
If the winner of both the first (FSU in ’05) and most recent (Clemson in ’11) ACC Championship Games depart for the Big XII, what will become of the ACC? The prognosis is grim; using viewership of football and men’s basketball, Tomahawk Nation has compiled data illustrating that FSU and Clemson accounted for almost a quarter of the ACC’s value (24.7% total; 31.3% football viewership only) in 2011. The loss of these schools – and their accompanying viewership, cannot be replaced by simple inserting Syracuse and Pittsburgh into the conference lineup in 2012, especially in term of the gridiron. Which brings us to another uncomfortable question: will the ACC learn from the mistakes of the Big East and allow for compromise between football-centric and basketball-centric schools?
Virginia Tech is a football school. Eight consecutive 10-win seasons, four-time ACC Champs, Lunch Pail defense, blah blah blah…there is little need to reiterate the accomplishments of Frank Beamer in the past two decades. As of now, the ACC is a respectable football conference. Remove FSU and Clemson, and this is no longer the case. If FSU and Clemson bolt for the Big XII, the only schools remaining that can claim ACC titles since the conference’s expansion in 2004 are Virginia Tech (’04, ’07, ’08, ’10) and Wake Forest (’06).[1] The newly instituted playoff system is making college football trend towards the forming of super-conferences (As someone has noted elsewhere, this is a demonstration of conference CONSOLIDATION, not expansion), and an ACC without Florida State and Clemson is the odd conference out.

Virginia Tech – IF Florida State and Clemson eschew the ACC for the Big XII – should seek out membership in the Southeastern Conference. If school administrators want the football program to continue to keep up with the Jones’, than the SEC is the ONLY path to continued gridiron relevance.
Financial Stability
Whether we choose to acknowledge it on Saturday afternoons, college football is a business, so let’s look at the fiscal benefits of SEC membership. As reported earlier, the new ESPN-ACC agreement allows for an increase in revenue across the board, but these gains pale in comparison to the numbers already enjoyed by SEC members…and the SEC is due up for renegotiation of its deal with ESPN soon. This increase in revenue will help offset any expenses incurred when changing conference membership (re: $20 million ACC exit fee).
As a member of the ACC, Virginia Tech’s Athletic Department has done a commendable job staying in the black annually. USA Today reports that in 2011, Virginia Tech was ranked thirty-second amongst all institutions (Second in the ACC behind UVA) in AD revenue, and operated with a net gain of $4.3 million. It is interesting to note the discrepancy in net gain between the years during which the Hokies earned a BCS berth ($9.6 million in ’07, $5.3 million in ’08, $7.8 million in ’10, and $4.3 million in ’11) relative to non-BCS berth seasons ($3.3 million in 2006 and $1.9 million in ’09). Membership in the SEC would lead to an increase in “Other Revenue” going forward.
Competitive Advantage
Last September, I wrote the following:
But what about the other alternative? Should we bolt for the SEC if they come calling? Consider this. Let's say we are offered the 14th spot. Presumably we get enter into the SEC East. Geographically appropriate, considering aTm will go to the West. This would be a decent competitive step up, but not outlandish. Florida will presumably remain at the top of the heap, but I see us as a program the same level as South Carolina. We have a geographic rivalry with UT-Knoxville (maybe we could finally see that neutral site game at Bristol!), and there is no question we are a better program (now) than UGA, UK, and Vandy. I see no reason why we cannot continue to schedule UVA, and we should be able to keep the Thanksgiving weekend slot too (UGA-GT usually schedule their OOC rivalry that weekend). Culture-wise, we are a great fit with the SEC. I think it's a win-win if we accept an invitation.
I still adhere to this. Virginia Tech will instantly compete for an SEC East Championship. If placed in the SEC West, Tech will face (currently) the best competition in college football, which will in turn further aid recruitment. Success in the SEC will go a long way in reestablishing recruiting dominion over the fertile 757 (sorry #NEWHOOS), and hopefully curb this:

For those wondering, since 2000, Virginia Tech is 4-4 in head-to-head competition with current SEC schools. Included among those four losses are defeats to two eventual National Champions (LSU in ’07 and Alabama in ’09) and an Auburn team that went undefeated (13-0) and had a more than compelling argument for inclusion in the 2003 National Championship Game.
| 2002 | W | #14 LSU | 26-8 | |
| 2002 | W | @ #19 Texas A&M | 13-3 | |
| 2003 | W | Texas A&M | 35-19 | |
| 2005 | L | #3 Auburn | 16-13 | Nokia Sugar Bowl - New Orleans, LA |
| 2006 | L | Georgia | 31-24 | Chick-Fil-A Bowl - Atlanta, GA |
| 2007 | L | @ #2 LSU | 48-7 | |
| 2009 | L | #5 Alabama | 34-24 | Chick-Fil-A Kickoff - Atlanta, GA |
| 2009 | W | Tennessee | 37-14 | Chick-Fil-A Bowl - Atlanta, GA |
While college football has had its cycles of dominance, the recent run by the SEC – claiming the last six BCS National Championships – as well as the conference’s recent bowl agreement with the BIG XII, places the Southeastern Conference at the fore of the sport. If the sport does evolve into something dominated by super-conferences, the SEC is assured of its survival. The ACC – if it loses Florida State, and Clemson – can make no such assurances. In fact, if Virginia Tech does indeed jump ship after the defections by FSU and Clemson, the death knell may indeed toll for the ACC as a significant football entity.
Addressing Criticism
As I see it, there are three distinct criticisms regarding #VT4SEC: (1) geographic concerns, (2) academic concerns, and (3) acclimation concerns.
I’m going to state the obvious: Virginia Tech in the ACC is a perfect fit. Not only is the school located within driving distance to almost all the other conference members (BC, and da U being the exception), a majority of Tech alumni reside in the ACC’s geographic footprint. There are few obstacles in the way of alumni currently in NoVA or the Carolinas from being able to personally see Tech play. Membership in the SEC will pose obstacles (some will argue, significant) for alumni to attend away games. If placed in the SEC East, Tech will not have to travel far for road division games (Florida is the only school 6+ hours away). As stated above, the SEC should be able to accommodate the continuation of the VT-UVA series on Thanksgiving weekend, adding yet another game within the familiar geographic footprint. Tech can also placate NoVA alumni by continuing its relationship with Fed-Ex field with an annual OOC game.
The ACC, regardless of Florida State or Clemson’s membership, will continue to be one of the premiere academic conferences in the country. Including future additions, the ACC can claim six institutions – GT, UMD, UNC, PITT, UVA, and Duke – that bear Association of American University accreditation. A seventh school, Syracuse, held membership until it voluntarily withdrew last year. Virginia Tech – based upon its innovative research and relatively high academic rankings (71st amongst national universities according to US News and World Report’s 2012 Best Colleges poll) – should eventually be extended AAU membership in the near future. In 2012, the SEC will boast four AAU institutions – Florida, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt, and the University of Missouri. There is little reason to believe that longstanding research collaborations/academic partnerships that Tech currently has with ACC institutions will simple dissolve because of a shift in athletic policies.
Most logical are the concerns voiced over acclimation to the membership in the SEC. To clarify, I don’t mean the football culture per say, but more so the result on the field. It should be recognized that, based upon 2011 numbers, Virginia Tech’s athletic budget would represent only the eleventh-largest budget in the conference.[2]

Although there will be an influx in revenue, Tech will be hard pressed to close the gap with schools such as Alabama, Florida, LSU, and Auburn, which all boast $100+ million budgets. Since 2006, SEC schools have invested almost $5.6 BILLION on athletics. As a new member, Tech will be facing an uphill battle in order to continue the arms race. Where exactly the revenue needed to compete with SEC leaders will come from is a question worth asking. Take, for instance, ticket sales. In the last five years, Virginia Tech has consistently annually collected between $16.7 and $18.9 million dollars in ticket sales, an increased fueled by the expansion of Lane Stadium to its current capacity of 66,233. Lane Stadium would be the 12th largest stadium in an expanded SEC; only Mississippi State, Ole Miss, and Vanderbilt have smaller stadiums.[3] As such, the present state of facilities may need to be further expanded in order to generate funds to remain competitive.
I like the ACC. As I was a freshman in 2004, Tech in the ACC is the only Tech I really knew. But times, they are a-changing. The situation is not in the hands of Tech’s administration, or even the hands of anyone in Greensboro (barring a miraculous coup named ‘Notre Dame’). #VT4SEC is not simple a grass-is-greener desire. It’s a reflection of how the ACC as a conference is at critical mass, and a solution to the fall out (should there be defections). If Virginia Tech wants to ensure it’s continued relevance – and more importantly, it’s ability to compete for that elusive first national championship – membership in the SEC should be of the utmost priority…if the opportunity presents itself.
[1] Georgia Tech’s 2009 ACC Championship was revoked.
[2] Vanderbilt is a private institution, and therefore not required to divulge financial records.
[3] The school mentioned as most likely to accompany Virginia Tech to the SEC – North Carolina State – has a capacity of 57,583 at Carter-Finley Stadium, which would rank 13th in the SEC.
*Original Banner Photo c/o: Chris Graythen/Getty Images


Comments
Brilliant post
The necessity for adaptation proposed in this write-up is exactly how I feel. Change is hard, but in today's athletic environment, it's a necessity. I was of the first class of VT in the ACC, and I love the conference to death, but I'm beginning to think that it may have run it's course given the recent decisions by the conference's gate keepers. In a perfect world, the conference would stay together, traditional powers would come back to prominence (until we beat them), and the ACC would solidify itself as a top-tier football conference. Now, however, I'm beginning to think that that wont happen anytime soon with current developments (Miami's uncertain future, FSU's inability to turn recruits into champions, and Tobacco road favoring basketball). It's also getting to a boiling point where we don't have the luxury of time regarding the quick progression of the new playoff model. It's eat, or be eaten. Do or die. Pick your cliche, it applies here.
Looking at the SECs revenue and expenditures
It appears there has been a major increase over the last 5 years. The average revenue and expenses in 2006 were 65k and 60k, respectively. The 2011 average revenue and expenses were 95k and 80k, respectively. The SEC did something over the last 5 years that caused a precipitous increases in revenue. That's an increase of 45% revenue and 33% expenses.
Here's a quick chart of Revenue and Expense Increase for the 5 major conferences:
Conference Rev Exp
ACC 30% 30%
BigTen 30% 30%
Big12 15% 18%
Pac12 25% 20%
SEC 45% 33%
SEC schools are getting richer and the disparity is getting greater.
FSU, please go to the Big12, the only conference that's has greater increases in expenses than revenue, so VT can get in the SEC.
DERP
That should read "2004 National Championship" regarding Auburn, not 2003. Whoopsies.
Great Post- Think Most Arguments against #VT4SEC aren't Valid
I'm a recent joiner to the SEC bandwagon and the more I think about it the more it makes sense.
Most of the arguments against joining aren't solid:
- About commitment to the ACC, they didnt want to commit to us at all until politics got involved. The ACC identifies itself as being primarily about basketball while VT is obviously focused on football with a passionate fanbase.
- VT will have a money gap from other SEC schools but with the added revenue and possible expansion of stadium with that money we could keep up not to the level of LSU/AL of course but could stay around mid level which VT wasn't up to the level of FSU/Clemson in terms of money anyway.
- Regarding distance, as stated the SEC East has most teams within a 6 hr distance and for NOVA alums complaining of travel to road games I'll say i'd rather drive 2 hours more to go to a passionate game in Knoxville in a 100K stadium than go to a Duke/WF game.
- In regards to SEC schools going into VA for recruits they already do (Alabama just offered a VT commit) and if we go to the SEC we have some defense against those schools that use SEC membership as a selling point.
- As for competition it is a step up but have to remember we would be playing in the SEC East which is a step up than the ACC but isn't impossibly hard like the SEC west. I'd rather not have to hear the "who have they played" argument every December when VT gets a bowl.
SideNote: I could see VT being in a 4 team pod for SEC North (along w/ NC State, Tennesse, and Kentucky) playing a rotation of another SEC pod every year and a constant SEC rivalry (possibly TAMU because of similarities of universities).
Regardless of everything to be the best you need to play the best!
Agreed
(I'd leave out the possible expansion of Lane...there are enough rumors going around)
Good point
Ahead of myself, just thinking if joined SEC would probably need to happen eventually. A lot of probables in that one though. Agree w/ French that 75k would probably be needed eventually.
people need to stop feeling sorry for NOVA alumni
if you're a VT alumnus here and more than a few years removed from graduation, odds are you likely can afford some extra travel costs. 500+ miles r/t to the Triangle aint exactly cheap in your SUV anyway.
Would I pay $300 to go see Duke? Yeah right. LSU???? Do I even need to ask this? It would be like the Sugar Bowl in September.
In all seriousness, it is a compromise, but I think one that most would gladly make. And it's a good excuse to leave the wife and kids at home anyway.
let me clarify that
I know you all don't feel sorry for us...the title of that comment should be "don't use us as an excuse" :)
I echo your sentiments about the alumni in NOVA. I think one of the main reasons that travel to so many road ACC games is attractive now is because the overall cost is very reasonable... this is mostly due to the relative ease in getting tickets due to opposing fan base apathy. If VT joins the SEC, tickets are going to be harder to come by, thus much more expensive, and making the extra hrs travel for road games in the SEC the easy part to deal with. And if they have the money to not be worried about more expensive tickets, they can suck it up and drive/fly a little farther. :)
Yeah I don't think Nova alumni are packing the stands in Raliegh anyway. I think more alumni outside of the Blacksburg area are likely to attend away games in the SEC, because the matchups will actually be worth traveling for. Imagine alumni in New York. You're definitely not going to games in North Carolina or even Boston, But you might fly to New Orleans or Knoxville for a game.
Terrific work. And you nailed that in order for the Hokies to compete, the stadium must be expanded to the 75K mark.
is 75k
an achievable goal that our AD feels comfortable with, or one that we absolutely need to find a way to meet in order to compete and in fact might be a stretch currently?
75K
I was in school when the stadium was initially expanded, and I remember reading several articles at the time about how the stadium was originally designed with the idea that an upper deck could be added to the press box side and that both ends could be closed in, resulting in around a 90k capacity. We've done the south end zone. If we replicate that on the north end zone, add the upper deck, we're talking 85K or so, I would think.
Theres not a ton of room over there. You'd have to move or at least reconfigure the practice fields and where would they go? There's hardly any undeveloped or unused land left on campus. Plus Frank wants a new practice facility so they can work on the punting more, I cant say I disagree. I've always said they would probably close the corners in between east-south-west stands first and then look at the north endzone.
Who cares about travel?
Listen if you can't get a ticket to an away SEC game sorry! I would rather have to watch it at home with fellow Hokies or in a bar and it be a quality game with purpose then drive to Duke and watch a glorified scrimmage. I would love for someone to give a valid reason for us to now join. Not opinion. The truth is we will never NEVER win a NC in the ACC with the systems that are being put in place now for the NC game. If the SEC is interested then who cares what the other ACC schools are doing. The only negative to joining the SEC is the possibility that we might not win 10 games the first couple of years.
My dream scenario
It's too late now, but I really wish the SEC would have gone to 16 last year and taken WVU, Miami and VT. We'd be able to play all our traditional rivals, plus all the great SEC programs. We could continue to schedule UVA as our OOC game just like Georgia/GT and Florida/FSU at the end of the season. And we'd have a ~$35 mil contract with ESPN while UVA withers on the ACC vine.
We can still get all of that except WVU.
Proximity to what?
As has been alluded to here, the proximity in the ACC isn't to teams that are worth traveling for. I have been in the Charlotte area for a while now and can never seem to get too pumped about going to a Duke or Wake game, regardless of how inexpensive the tickets are. In the ACC, most of what I consider the best away games (GA Tech, Miami, FSU) really aren't that close by.
NOVA alums will be fine. We still can schedule an occasional FedEX game and surely they will travel to the marquee events.
At the end of the day, the SEC creates MORE BIG GAMES. That is what big-time programs will always have.
I'm late to the SEC bandwagon, but I'm there.
My strong preference, which will never happen, is to universally separate football from all other sports for conference alignment purposes. The economics are so different that this makes tons of sense. Would we be in the SEC? Absolutely.
On your last point, having separate football conferences, I think eventually that has to happen. Football will break away from the NCAA and other sports will remain. There's no reason for the conferences to be the same at that point, and the savings from traveling with non-revs will be too much to pass up.
Wish I had thought of this earlier...
definitely would have included it above.
this piece was so good, Techsideline "did their own story" citing the same data. Way to go #Scales4Heisman research team! Reading comprehension baby!
Please tell me it was a subscription only piece. That would be fantastic.
Indeed, it was.
Take comfort in knowing nobody subscribes to that site anymore.
The Possibilities
The possibilities for the Hokies in the SEC are certainly grand. Competitive match-ups all season long with the ability to maintain a series against UVA (as previously mentioned with UGA/GT and FSU/UF). Increased revenue from football. Bigger stadium with more crazed fans for a Thursday night game. Better basketball record even? Maybe, but that one isn't the point.
The Hokies will have quite a decision to make if the opportunity to jump to the SEC presents itself. As noted earlier, if Clemson and FSU jump ship from the ACC, the only thing the conference can hang it's hat on is a great academic profile and lots of rich basketball history. Football would become an afterthought for the ACC. And that weak schedule VT supposedly plays every year because they are in the ACC? It would get even less competitive with the loss of two of the top football programs. But none of that has happened, yet anyway.
I'm not so sure anyone is going to leave the ACC soon anyway. Florida State can't sellout Doak Campbell now anyway, so the deficit from the exit fee would be tough for them to overcome right away. Clemson fills out Death Valley just fine, but the renegotiation of the ESPN/SEC deal isn't as immediate as that $20 million dollar check they would owe the ACC, and that would put them in a tough short term spot. Granted, a $20 million dollar fee would put most people in a tough spot in the short term.
I think Notre Dame is a big domino that is left to fall in place. If they decide to move soon for football, then we will see a real big scramble. I understand wanting to move not to be left behind, but as Bill Roth said, "Today, the ACC is best place for Virginia Tech, today."
Tomorrow, you never know. But right now as everyone stands pat, VT isn't going anywhere.
Another factor to consider amongst all of this is Jim Weaver. We all know about his health situation, and his intent to complete his contract. But if for some reason Mr. Weaver steps down from his position early, this would be a critical decision for a brand new AD to step up and make. Just something to consider.
I think there are a lot of positives on a move to the SEC, I just don't see it happening soon.
fwiw
people need to acknowledge the decent possibility of vt going to the b1g .. they're not an aau member but very likely will be in the next 5-10 years. vt's academics are still VERY good .. and as far as OVERALL package, there aren't many schools in the B1G vicinity that could offer more. if the acc breaks up and the b1g and sec were both to want us, we'd end up in the b1g.
Possible, but doubtful. I think the Big 10 is a good conference with great teams, academics, history, etc., but it just isn't for us. It's hard for me to even say Virginia Tech and Big 10 in the same sentence without questioning whether my head is actually telling my mouth the right thing to say.
To put it completely unscientifically, but simply...us and the big 10 are like cheese and peanut butter. I like cheese, I like peanut butter, but I don't like peanut butter with cheese (although they do go well on similar things - ritz bits, for example). I think that the ACC is like a banana, and the SEC is like jelly...we'll see how long this banana stays ripe, but either way that jelly is looking pretty sweet right now.
Makes sense, right?
This is what's going on now (even the banana wants some jelly)
What about
http://images.discountofficeitems.com/size/300/273/2db/b9bcea15ef7e3cfd8...
In America, anything is possible, even cheese and peanut butter. God Bless the Keebler Elves.
Touche
I wouldn't eat it, but America is full of wonderous things that just don't exist anywhere else.
Kraft
is the single worst American Company that ever existed (ok maybe Phillip Morris was worse, but not by much). Don't get me wrong, I do eat and love some of their products (Easy Cheez, so delicious). But their whole existence is to take wholesome food and ruin it by adding preservatives and all sorts of other shit. And now, we will all get diabetes. God Bless America.
While the B1G is interesting...
it would be for purely domestic relationship reasons...(see: Virginia Tech will host Iowa in the 1th Annual ACC/Big Ten Challenge). A VT/Iowa matchup would make for an interesting week!
On a semi-related note, my dad was an official Keebler elf for many years. Cookies helped put me through college.
Clemson trustees all but said they're dumping the ACC. You don't say you're looking if you're not pretty sure you're gone because it destabilizes the conference. It would be like saying your bank is insolvent on national TV without withdrawing your money.
http://www.orangeandwhite.com/news/2012/may/24/clemson-committed-acc-wou...
You guys should do a piece on this.
Well
Although I agree for the most part, their statements don't say they are looking, just that they will listen to conferences that come. Either way, it is pretty much the same thing, but with less political impact.
http://outkickthecoverage.com/virginia-tech-fans-have-sec-fever.php
Funny
Good article. Can't stand most the comments left by bloggers though. VA isn't good for recruiting? We lose recruits to the SEC every year. Even a QB to Vandy. Please don't leave comments if you have no idea what you are talking about. One guy even thought Maryland is the best area for football recruits on the east coast!
SEC Meeting?
http://leatherhelmetblog.com/2012-articles/may/virginia-tech-meeting-wit...
It's possible. I prefer the Homestead over the Greenbrier, but I doubt reporters would risk all of the diseases in WV just to peek in on the meeting.
Pleeeeeease let this be true.