Meta: Turkey Legs Adjustment

Everyone will notice they have less turkey legs today than yesterday.

I've adjusted the algorithm that awards them, and the change is retroactive. Previously, you got turkey legs for posting new comments or starting forum topics. That is no longer the case now. The only way to earn them is from up votes, and the only way to lose them is from down votes. Everyone was accumulating way too many of them for simply starting a thread or leaving a comment.

You might think, too many of them... They're not a limited resource, rather bytes on a server that are readily available. However, part of the goal with the system was for it to help moderate the community. New posters were getting legs too quickly, before they could get a feel for the community and voting privileges. Existing posters, who were disrespecting the community guidelines, had down votes essentially offset by posting in volume. These have been partially corrected now.

The threshold for starting a new thread in the forum has been bumped to 200100 legs.

I am working on enabling voting for threads themselves in the forum, as well as re-thinking a few other aspects of the system—hopefully for the better.

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Joe, I also think it would be good for those who start forum topics to be able to delete them when practical. Occasionally, I have a double-post (http://www.thekeyplay.com/content/2014/september/12/joe-please-delete-do...) or see someone post the same topic before. I think we're all in agreement we want to consolidate topics as much as we can.

Go Hokies

It's all about The VPISU
VT '10, Born & Raised in the 804.
GO: Freeman Rebels, Keydets, Black Knights (the VMI of the North), NY Rangers & Giants, and ATL Braves.

Makes sense. Thanks for clearing up the mystery of the missing legs.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

I am legging you simply because of that screen name.

"I mean, you know, fuck them, but good for them." -Too Druck to Funk

I agree that is a pretty sweet screen name.

“I hope that they’re not going to have big eyes and pee down their legs so to speak,” -- Bud Foster

Thank you. This makes a lot sense (to me), for the reasons you stated. It was too easy for people to ignore the community pushback because they got so many legs from posting. Also thread voting will be awesome when you have the time.

RIP Stick It In

Good to know... I was checking my recent comments to make sure i didn't piss off a couple hundred people!!

Beat GT

And while it really should be common knowledge by now but many still struggle with it, here's how to use Turkey Legs, emphasis my own:

Turkey legs are a delicious, sobering, slab of meat on a stick. They're also The Key Play karma currency.

Members can award them to each other by voting up comments. If someone posts a funny picture, witty reply, good statistic, something you like etc..., then give them a turkey leg. Conversely, if someone flames or wages a personal attack, then down vote. Do not down vote for disagreeing with someone's opinion. In general, vote up way more often than you vote down.

Users below -25 turkey legs won't be able to comment. Users below 200 turkey legs won't be able to start forum topics.

this need to be posted and reposted on every thread. i have seen an unbelievable amount of downvotes as of late. were all hokie fans here. if you see a wahoo sneak on down vote him till hes covered in them... i know there are some one offers that folks deserve down votes but i dont kick every guy out of my tailgate and tell him get lost because he sees things differently than me. heck ive even had conversations with other fan bases that have had neggitive things to say about some aspects of hokie football but they did it in a conversational way that did not attack me of VT personally rather good sports talk. lets try and remember that... and that we are all on the same team. lets save the down votes for those who really deserve it. also just because you see a bunch of downvotes doesnt mean you have to jump on the banwagon either. dont be affraid to upvote someones downvote if you think his/her point was valid. just my 2 cents im just tired of seeing all the down votes because that means that we arent keep up the good content of the site and there is to much back and forth between fellow hokies on the same team with the same goals.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

^^ This! For the lazy, like me, who do not read the FAQ/Welcome. I'll fess up to down voting based on my opinion only .... before I knew the rules of TKP.

Holy amputation batman! I lost half of my legs!!!

come back here!

Looks like you lost a few more limbs there ...

Calm down, it's just a flesh wound.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

I've seen worse.

Also, people continuing to downvote someone further down in the thread for a previous post. Crazy to see every post afterward loaded with down votes.

Then, if you bring up down votes, you are awarded with down votes.

Why did you have to mention that term. I had to do it.

(I'll undo it later. I just had to, since you invoked, ya know).

Edit: Ok, I removed it.

Great fix Joe. Glad to see the community continuing to evolve!

In Sam Rogers we trust.

Thanks Joe! I've been looking forward to this kind of change for a while, for all the reasons you stated.

Once again, you've improved the best Hokie fan site on the web.

Kudos!

Now if you could just implement a Real Smoked Turkey Smell(TM) to the turkey legs, we'd be golden!

Seriously though: Perhaps a little pop-up on up or down-votes that asks "have you read the community guidelines and are you voting accordingly?".

Ok. That was only semi-serious.

But hopefully people will be more mindful that down-votes are not meant to punish people for having different opinions.

Ok, does this mean I can go back to being my normal smart ass self? I don't have to suck up? :-)

Thanks Joe. Quick question though, can you put a hold on people posting new topics outside of the main contributors on Saturday's and Sunday's? I feel like this would eliminate a lot of double posts and all of the meltdown threads if we lose a game

@CaptKirkVT10

Agreed an 'Official' Melt down thread would be nice...but on the other hand if someone has other news to post they couldnt

A new season...new hope

I agree that's a problem if someone did have some actual news. But odds are on the weekend it would be either game related or recruiting which the staff is very good at staying on top of. Just a thought though. Probably won't happen

@CaptKirkVT10

Hey Joe, great updates. I've been taking my first HTML/XHTML class this semester and perusing the back end of your site has a been a fun way to learn the art and science of web development. Keep up the awesome work man!!

"Eat, Drink and Be Merry, for Tomorrow We Die!" "Geaux Hokies is pronounced GUUH-X" - Andrew Jackson, 1815

"perusing the back end of your site" - best programmer pick up line ever.

Thank you Joe!
yes

VT '10 #AllMaroonEverything

Would it be possible to also show who specifically up or down votes comments? Removing the anonymity would help curb a lot of the downlegging.

Yes, it would remove anonymity but it would likely also result in more direct issues between posters. I'd rather see people just learn than see a whole bunch of back and forth between two people saying

come at me

OR it could lead to Joe's new project TKPfightclub.com, however instead of fisticuffs the winner will be determined a .gif off or a rap battle.

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

The first rule of TKPfightclub is... Danny Coale is still open.

"I mean, you know, fuck them, but good for them." -Too Druck to Funk

Maybe we should also include some form of timeout for people who get into personal pissing contests like that?

Ahh...internet timeout. The thought of that brings me back to the old ESPN blogs where if you got flagged enough times, you were put in 24 hour timeout and couldn't post.

So, like Jameis Winston?

joe has done this in the past and i think did this to two long time members. a 2 week vacation for jctaughtme<-- he told me and was in tears... and another member...

Oh it's only for 2 weeks? I thought it was a Pete Rose, but 2 weeks is probably sufficient for people to cool off and get back to being good members of the community. I've enjoyed JCTaughtMe in the community so I'm glad he'll be back (and I'm sure) ready to contribute is a positive way.

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

That's certainly a possibility. But I'm in the camp that people ought to own their downvotes where the reason for the penalty isn't clear as defined by the Community Guidelines. Far too many DV's coming from people who disagree with an opinion. It's a hard balance to find.

As this site grows, having moderators may be the way to go, so that people using down-legs improperly can be addressed directly, and those legs restored to the victims of their misuse.

I know Joe mentioned that prospect previously, and it is another great idea I look forward to seeing implemented.

that would be a great idea.. have maybe 2-3 site moderators.. also I wonder how hard/how much effort would it take to get a messaging system and or emails list that way if 2 posters want to go at it/have a discussion they can do so there and not take up a lot of forum space? <-- might be a lot of work, not an IT person here.. I just fix broken bones and rehab..

An idea might be, if you downvote someone it lowers both the recipient of the downvote and also the issuer of the downvote.. it would stop a lot of the nonsense downvotes (I don't even know if that is possible)

Even if it were simpler, with a few mods. If GuitarMan downvotes something, I'd say it's probably fair to say it isn't in good taste. If a user gets downvoted by GuitarMan five times in a post-game tirade, it's time for a 24 hour timeout.

Much appreciated, my equine friend. We'll see what the final details for a mod role will be, but I'm still game and I was even thinking of offering this - I will advertise my votes if I am a mod.

I'm nominating you for the role for sure. VTGuitarMan for TKP Culture Moderator!

What I'm thinking is VTGuitarMan's downvotes will count as -10, not -1.

VTGuitarMan stopping trolls: A .gif story
wrekd

Such tackle. Very D-Line. Wow.

I don't know what movie this is from but now I MUST see it. That is the greatest arrest scene I have ever seen!

Ohh Bollywood, how I love you. Not sure if it's still on, but way back in '11, my freshman year, they had an Indian cultural channel in the dorms that played these flicks all day. It was amazing.

"Eat, Drink and Be Merry, for Tomorrow We Die!" "Geaux Hokies is pronounced GUUH-X" - Andrew Jackson, 1815

Whats going on?

A new season...new hope

Good idea. I know folks rack up TLs on game threads (myself included)

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Existing posters, who were disrespecting the community guidelines, had down votes essentially offset by posting in volume. These have been partially corrected now.

So basically, this was Joe after the game this weekend:

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-22-2014/W0Dr2B.gif

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I think I feel bulimic after tossing all those legs back.

I must say I was dissappointed earlier today with this decision but respect that it is yours. I frequent this board but do not post very often as sometimes it just feels like getting caught up in things. However I tried to create a new forum topic this morning that I thought would lead to some good constructive conversation that I had not seen discussed to date only to find out that I could not. The question I intended to post, was "Is the answer to fixing our problems on Offense as simple as slowing down?" The question was intended to discuss the mental mistakes possibly being created by running the no huddle offense and different personnel.

Anyhow, that was my .02. I am not sure I have a different solution for you other than positive posts given relative volume.

I think the problem is that for every 1 of you VTFanatic, there are 3 others who would start a forum asking what coach people think should be fired first after just creating an account and commenting on the game thread 20 times. Nothing wrong with having good thoughts to discuss. Bring it up in an applicable forum, such as the "You can fix one thing about this team" one, and have the discussion there until you work your way up to being able to start a forum.

Your situation is an unfortunate unintended consequence, but I hope that question was addressed in my game review. I have given you a turkey leg as reparation.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

I think it's a great question actually. My question to you though is, does it really need to be a new forum topic? You could ask this question in the comments of French's article or really any review post. The conversation that you're looking for will happen just as it would if you posted a new forum topic.

That was my solution to the problem before i noticed this thread. It is buried in the Brewer vs. Motley thread.

I definitely feel for you cause I'm the same way.
gif

#VT4SEC

Same here (VTFanatic)

I'd upvote you, but I can't

The threshold for starting a new thread in the forum has been bumped to 200 legs.

Hallelujah

I do not know where to put this; but I have a question. If a member drops below -25 turkey legs, is that a permanent ban? I don't have a problem with that concept; I just wanted to understand the full effect of my downvotes.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

are you volunteering as tribute?

That's what will happen.

I hope one day I'm worthy of using the banhammer against a -24 inappropriate post. I pledge to upvote if the post is, in fact, appropriate.

ban hammer

Wait a minute.... could it be that this programming change has mathematically elliminated the accounts of certain notorious controversial posters??

Beat GT

Hey Joe, one thing I had thought about maybe in a future update is making it so there is some sort of connecting line between a post and a reply. It gets kinda difficult to see what people are replying to when one series of comments goes really far right, then someone has a reply to a post farther up but you can't really tell which one. I think SB Nation blogs do this if I'm not mistaken? Just giving ideas, it's totally up to you!

#38-0

I'm not the only one who struggles with this then. Sweet!

Yes, I struggle with this, too. Using the 'n' functionality puts the next new comment right at the top of the browser, so my tendency is to use n-pageUp sequence to see what it's in response to. When the comment is like the 10th comment on another comment, pageUp doesn't help as much.

Using 'n' to find new posts is incredible. But if all the previously-read comments between the new comment and the one it's responding to were collapsed, no problem.

Seems to make sense to me. Hopefully it gets us closer to the intended purpose of moderation.

I was wondering if I had some comment I could not find somewhere that had like 300 downvotes, this clears it up...

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
“I served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

Ass kissing aside, I do really enjoy that you've set out to create the best website possible instead of going after the almighty dollar. More members and clicks means more money but that is all sacrificed if the material and members are lacking. I do miss my 235 legs (not that I was counting) but this is a good way to ensure nobody will be "bender-ing" the site away from quality articles and community
Thank you for making this my favorite, and most visited, website to distract me from studying

West Virginian by birth, Hokie by choice

http://thecoloredfountain.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/oh-i-see-what-you-did-there-baby.jpg

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

...it certainly is a day and knight difference.

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

rwup

this depressed me a little bit...him and phillip seymor Hoffman always put up such good work in a time when quantity seems to override quality.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Oh.

Ohhhh.

You're good.

OH BOY!

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Glad to see this change. I don't post much (clearly...look at this amazing leg count), but I read most of the topics and articles. Keep up the good work!

Long time listener...first time poster

Wait...I guess you did.

The only other change I'd like to see implemented is the ability to vote on the topics themselves.

I agree there have been more than one kick-ass well written topic I have wanted to toss a leg onto.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

I thought this for a long time too, but I can see leg values getting out of hand this way. Not to say that great posts don't deserve to be rewarded but I can see things adding up really fast. maybe some sort of metric? for every 100 comments on your topic post you get 10 legs? not sure if that is fair either, but just a thought

One more not serious request:

Anyone that refreshes a weeks-dead rancorous topic that was full of improper downvotes automatically gets 10% of all downvotes in said thread removed from their own TL count.

I really wanted to see what would happen when someone hit 32,768 turkey legs...I guess I will have to wait longer

A new season...new hope

Nothing. It's a 4 byte integer so the max value is 2147483647.

Well, let's see...

Your TKP birthday was 1/10/2013, which was 621 days ago.
You have 18025 legs as of this post, for an average of 29.03 legs/day
At your current rate, it would take 73,974,634 days to earn a total of 2,147,483,647 turkey legs
Since you've already been at it for 621 days, that means you'll need 73,974,014 more days (rounded all calculations here)
Since there are 365.25 days/year...

This means we'll be able to see what happens on November 2nd, 204543 AD.

Whereas we could probably just guess today that it'll return NaN when trying to add that last leg.

chance

I'm pretty sure I'll be an invincible cyborg by that point. I mean, Sam Rogers will certainly have perfected the technology by then.

I don't know if Sam Rogers uses cyborg technology, so much as allows it to exist so long as it doesn't break the 4th law.*

And what's going on with all the math on this site? My brain is not equipped to handle much more than 38-0 and 1 HOAT > 0 HOAT.

* A robot may not deny pussy touchdowns.

That math is really impressive considering how long it took to count out all of those numbers off by stomping your hoof?

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

maybe he used an applecus.

rsanim

My bad. I hate Monday's. On the thread for an hour before I see it is several years old.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

English please. Some of us have history degrees.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

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In computer programming numbers are limited by the size of the memory allocated to hold them. Typically if you have simple numbers you hold them in as an integer , int, which has a maximum numerical value of 65,535 or you can use a signed int which has a range between -32,768 to 32,768...when you hit 65,536 with an int or (-32,769 or 32,769 as signed ints) either something bad happens or the number rolls back to 0...Apparently Joe used Long signed ints for the turkey legs so the theoretical maxmium number of turkey legs someone could use before hitting the ceiling since getting -25 perma bans you is 2,147,483,648 which is practically impossible.

A new season...new hope

Can you diagram this with X's and O's, or describe it in essay form describing the structure, infrastructure, and superstructure?

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

2X (where X is a big number) = O my God a really huge number

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I crunched the numbers and sent an email reminder to folks who seem to be abusing the system. In all honestly, it's a relatively small number of people. However, there are a few who are down voting over 30% time when they vote, which is ridiculous.

A couple of posters in particular like to down vote the hell out of people, and it will stop one way or another.

so is giving someone a down vote a penalty now? not that I down vote. (can't remember when was the last time I did it, if ever). I am just curious.

Turkey legs are a delicious, sobering, slab of meat on a stick. They're also The Key Play karma currency.

Members can award them to each other by voting up comments. If someone posts a funny picture, witty reply, good statistic, something you like etc..., then give them a turkey leg. Conversely, if someone flames or wages a personal attack, then down vote. Do not down vote for disagreeing with someone's opinion. In general, vote up way more often than you vote down.

Users below -25 turkey legs won't be able to comment. Users below 200 turkey legs won't be able to start forum topics.

See the bold from the community guidelines. It's not that it's a penalty- but 30% of the posts on this site are not offensive or fit the community guidelines standard of "downvote-worthy", so therefore downvoting that much means you aren't following the guidelines for doing so.

#thingsiblamethemvsfor

Good deal, though this is the first time I've wondered about my legs.
a massive 150 legs for 4 yrs and one week on TKP.

look at me, I'm Mr Talky McTalkerson!

So I guess this means, I will now have to give my opinion and comment on topics instead of hiding in my corner, just reading up the juicy goodness of TKP in silence. I am a hermit by choice Joe, damn you for forcing me to interact with the masses to get my Turkey legs up high enough to vote.
I will agree I have noticed a huge influx of people coming in as of late, while that is awesome for various reasons, I have seen more down voting and non TKP like debauchery. That was slightly concerning. I think its a good move.
I will go back under my rock now.

Bud Foster is made of hokie stone!

Word up brotha!

There's a reason this site continues to be the single best website out there. I think only receiving legs from everyone else makes more sense anyway. Out of curiosity I took a look at the big board to see how that affected everybody, but it looks like nothing changed. I didn't move any spots at least.

That team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

Just out of curiosity I checked one specific and prolific person who would have dropped from the mid-teens, to what would have been the low 40s if I'm remembering correctly.

I do find it amusing that as recently as last week, the robot's reply to everyone asking him to tone it down was essentially "make me"

Its like Joe saw it and went

http://www.bagofnothing.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/tumblr_inline_mq4e2bCRpA1qz4rgp.gif

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Good lord.

Does that fall under the "This is going to hurt me more than it hurts you" area?

Also: That picture is figurative, right?

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

^this this this

That team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

Posting a video only losers do that....(sarcasm)

A new season...new hope

He did finally achieve his goal of internet Martyrdom.

On a cross-thread note, what are the odds he shows up at GC next?

Coming Soon: MARCUS VICK, a retrospek...a recro... a spectoreftive... a Look Back: Greatest QB of All Time!

Was this JCTaughtMe or hokieknightfx?

JC went crazy the other day, but after a day of rest they were back to normal.

hkfx

JC had an unusual meltdown, he seems to be a civil lad always a good poster.. wonder what happened

now I'm curious about what happened. knight should've been gone a looooong time ago, but JC has always been a solid member of the community.

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

knight had a ridiculous number of legs, unless he was -20'ed on every future post, he was in no danger at all of being banned. In some cases, he trolled a bit, but there were also a lot of regular ol' posts. I think some people just searched for his name and downlegged his regular posts, too.

JC got called out by a few people on the one postgame meltdown, took a break, and came back as the regular ol' jc we all know.

People piled on knight and that was wrong, but he did himself no favors. He knew that his leg count was high enough that he'd never get banned unless he stepped out of line too far to invoke the Hand of Joe, and he pushed a bunch of threads to the point of idiocy. Cumulative effect led to a ban, I suppose. JC might have needed a time out for sure, maybe he can ask for re-activation after a bit of time to cool off. Don't drink and TKP, people! Or do, if you can do so hilariously and/or intelligently...

"Don't drink and TKP, people!"
Um, yeah, about that...
squirrele
So far, so good...

A picture is worth a thousand words. A gif is worth a million.

Oh, I thought I heard about some sort of two week ban and a 'trip to the Bahamas' or something?

If JC was actually banned for good, that's too bad. Maybe he flipped out more than I remember. Maybe he was the serial downvoter. Maybe he's 'sorting out some personal issues and there will be no other comment on the matter'.

The quote was a trip to belize; a fantastic reference to breaking bad meaning he was taken out, offed, given a one way ticket, etc.

We are the Hokies. We will prevail. We will prevail. We will prevail. We are Virginia Tech.

Ahhhh ok. Never seen the show, thanks for the explanation.

No problem. You should definitely check it out though. Great plot lines, fantastic acting, and unlike many shows that trend downhill after a few seasons, it stays consistent throughout the entire series.

We are the Hokies. We will prevail. We will prevail. We will prevail. We are Virginia Tech.

walt

"We were at the pinnacle, and we did it for years," Foster says. He pauses, nods, takes a deep breath. "And I did it with the best guy in the business."

Don't drink and TKP, people! Or do, if you can do so hilariously and/or intelligently...

Like this.

#thingsiblamethemvsfor

Definitely belongs in the HOF. Hits multiple genres:

Drunk TKP'ing.
Unintentionally funny.
Knocking 'Hoos.

People piled on knight and that was wrong, but he did himself no favors.

Agree and disagree. honestly, I would try to avoid interaction with him until he really started pissing me off. I did notice that after I downvoted one of his comments it quickly went from -1 to -15, but on the whole isn't the self moderating community meant to.... well, moderate? If one person is continually and constantly trolling, sabotaging threads and pushing buttons for the sake of their own amusement, while making some really terrible comments then shouldn't they be downvoted more aggressively? Hell, he openly said he is not following the TKP guidelines.

let me clarify, not every one of knight's posts were douche level so if I only downvoted the ones that were "over the line" then perhaps the level of my exasperation would be lost. instead of nearly all of his comments being blurred maybe only one in a thread does. That doesn't reflect how fed up myself, and I am willing to bet others, felt with this guy. In the end, I will openly admit, that I choose to downvote his stream of conscious as well. if he took one thing over the line to the point of absurdity I would go back and downvote nearly all of that particular line of thinking.

Yes, that is technically not in the guidelines and i am willing to be punished for it, but there has to be some way to show Joe that someone is not following the spirit of the site without actually creating a new forum topic saying "hokiekinight should be banned" or emailing him directly. I actually think the TKP community responded to the situation exactly as it should by following the spirit of the law rather than just the letter of the law. Like white blood cells attacking a virus.

I actually agree 100%. What I noticed was that he would post other, totally innocuous things in other threads and they'd be downvoted because of crap he was pulling in different threads. The spillover was what I think was wrong. He earned just about all of the downvotes that were given to him, no question, and I had the same approach - don't interact with him unless I really felt compelled to get involved. Those posts deserved scorn from the community. Other stuff was a byproduct of people just not liking him.

My strategy is this:

I DV someone who breaks the written rules, or egregiously oversteps the unwritten ones. If someone spent 20 posts building up to the comment that went clearly over the line, I'll occasionally go back and DV some of those posts that, in retrospect, were of the same intent and manner of the worst comment.

I never let this bleed into other topics, or even on other sub-threads in the same topic.

My reasoning is that I think there ought to be a stick and a carrot to the community policing. If you take away the carrot, you aren't going to provide the positive reinforcement to better behavior. So I would often upvote HK on threads where that bleed-over had occurred on a comment that clearly didn't deserve a downvote. I'd even throw in a "nice-job" comment if he posted something that was clever or just hit the mark.

Also: I will go back and change a downvote to an upvote if a comment is edited to remove the offending content.

An example I think of this working was after HK's Robin Williams gutter comments, one of the things I mentioned on that thread was his propensity to post huge GIFs that were out of proportion with everything, including his hoped-for comedic effect.

Soon after that he did exactly the same thing, and got several downvotes with no comment. He went back and changed the size of the gif, so I changed my dv to a uv, and his use of ridiculously sized gifs was significantly reduced going forward.

Of course, he later insisted that he hadn't changed a bit, and got into a fine lather every time I insisted his comments were getting better, but that's fine. I don't care that he doesn't admit it, I only care that behavior improves. He's right that you can't change anyone else's behavior. The genius of the TL system isn't that it allows anyone to change anyone else's behavior, but that it provides a tangible way for the community to encourage members to change their own behavior.

I don't know what HK did leading to the current hiatus. I hope if/when he comes back, he appreciates that posting here is a privilege, that Joe can and will taketh as surely as he gives, and he becomes the positive poster that he has shown flashes of.

Also: I will go back and change a downvote to an upvote if a comment is edited to remove the offending content.

This. HokieAlum6144 had a bad comment the other day, then got called out, and after the comment got blurred I told them I'd upleg it if they made a wholesale change. All of those things happened. The comment is still blurred but it's neutral. All in all, people will make mistakes, and having the opportunity to correct them once they get the community feedback is valuable.

Which brings up another point: Joe, as far as being able to fix an upvote or downvote, I think it would be nice to be able to remove a downvote without giving an automatic upvote. So if you've -1'ed something, an up arrow would take it back to 0, then another up arrow would make it +1.

I'll pick one nit about the blurring out of comments as well. Personally, I think it should kick in only if the Comment Score reaches -10. I've seen a few times when a comment has a positive score, with more upvotes than downvotes that have been blurred out, and as soon as it gets blurred, the rest of the community piles on. Just seems like sometimes a minority viewpoint gets too much of a sway if they're trying to silence a discussion.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Agree -- I think it's an unintended result from the algorithm Joe has in place.

moar maths plz.

It was intended more as a bad/sarcastic joke, but I did go back and change it when it was clearly offending people.

Yup, that's why I uplegged it. I don't even remember the comment, but I did think that it wasn't worthy of being pummeled the way it was. Once everyone jumped on it, I kinda agreed. Held onto my leg until you edited it.

This is the JC I know....

Also looking for parking pass but def hokietopher deserves it first. So if there's a 2nd that would be awesome.!

that's what he said after i asked on the TIX exchange board if anybody had a parking pass for the Miami game after my being away from this site for 4 months due to personal tragedy....

JC is good in my book, and as far as I'm concerned, everyone's entitled to one meltdown once every blue moon....

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

I'm going to re-enable JC's account after the Western Michigan game. He went ham in the game thread and there was a lot of "fuck x, y, and z". Bender is taking a much longer break.

Since Bender had so many posts, and so many that got thoroughly downlegged, now I'm curious to know how his turkey leg count was affected by the leg adjustment. He had a lot of posts. But he had a LOT of downlegs.

He lost more than half his legs and dropped to just over 2k legs

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I feel like I committed a sin or something, cause the change made me leapfrog Joe

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I think I went upward. I think I was like third or fourth, now second.

Meh, I dropped from the Top 100. NBD, I was falling steadily anyways... and I was so close to Top 10 at one point!

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Thanks Frank!

Haha, I topped out at number 2 at one point. Possibly my life's greatest accomplishment.

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

I think I was #1 for a bit, but then GuitarMan showed up and He-manned us all.

Sheesh you have 1000 legs and you dropped from the big board?

Back in the day, I was looking up at the people at the top of the board and they had like 1700 legs. Times a' changin', I suppose.

I was thinking that same thing yesterday. I remember when I hit triple digit legs and was in the top 50, even making it up around 7th with something like 800 legs. And now that won't even get you a spot in the top 100.

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VHokie

The beauty of this is that I will get to celebrate my 3000 Turkey leg...TWICE!

VHokie

That happens to me every Thanksgiving just after halftime.

Although it's never really as happy an occurrence as you make it sound.

Thanksgiving bourbon: It'll get after ya.

I was amazed I only dropped from 2100 to 1668 legs. So I guess a bunch of people like some of what I type. :)

I have to admit that I was starting to visit TKP less because of some of the aforementioned nonsense (excessive down-votes, excessive discussions about excessive down-votes, duplicate posts of the same topics, members disrespecting the turkey leg system, martyr complexes). I was becoming more productive at work, getting stuff done around the house, and spending more quality time with my family.

Now you have done this, Joe. You have once again done exactly what needed to be done to me back to spending all of my time on TKP, thus getting my life and prioties back in order. Kudos to you, good sir.

back in

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

It's true. I come here for the fun, and at times this place can be a ton of fun. Lately though I find myself dropping by less and less. I still regularly drop by, don't get me wrong, but now I'll read the articles and peruse the active discussions and see if anything piques my interest. More and more though I can either tell its some shit slinging fest from the title and dont even click, or I do click and soon realize the self righteousness and downvotes are flying all over and nope right on out.

I used to read every comment and now I find myself assuming the worst and just skipping by entire threads and comment sections. And it didnt start with the ECU loss, things have been degrading for a while now. I'm thrilled Joe is taking steps to address it.

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

You a so right on this. I got scared the last 2 weekends to comment on anything with the fear of being down voted! There was a whole lot of turkey leg "slingin" going on.

"Some people think football is a matter of life and death....... I assure you, it's MUCH more serious than that" ...Bill Shankly

I'm debating the whole 'purposes of downvoting' issue elsewhere, but I have found out that a lot of people believe the primary purpose of an upvoting/downvoting scheme is to allow an otherwise silent reader an opportunity to agree/disagree with an opinion. Further, the silent reader isn't technically interacting with the poster in this case - he is interacting with the site. This kind of rationalization is frustrating to say the least.

Reality has a mighty pimp hand.

The best part of this thread is nobody decided to be the next victim by screaming about censorship. You are good folks, the whole lot of ya.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

Back at ya french. Then again you always had me at pie

That team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

NSFW:

A new season...new hope

I lost nearly 2,000 legs.

Good Lord. I don't comment THAT much, do I?

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Ah yes.....I as well, lost half of mine, but I didn't have many to start with!

"Some people think football is a matter of life and death....... I assure you, it's MUCH more serious than that" ...Bill Shankly

Other late ideas for the almighty Joe.
1) A way to sort by newest, most legged, first comment. Most legged being default.
1a) A lot of the first comments get most of the legs and turn green, maybe bump the green threshold to 15 or 20?
2) As someone else said, collapsible conversations. Like reddit.

Just ideas. You're the boss, not me. Thanks!

Edit: 1a

Well Shit.........I guess I understand why you did this Joe....but Damn, I've been a member over 2 years and now my privilege to post a topic has been suspended! I had a really good topic to discuss tonight....? Can a brother get a few UP Votes to speed this process along.

"Some people think football is a matter of life and death....... I assure you, it's MUCH more serious than that" ...Bill Shankly

Sure. Entertain me!

(I entertained myself, so here's a leg).

One from me also, but you've got a ways to go yet :(

I dropped it to 100. Honestly, 200 was probably too high. In reality, I might set the threshold hire on game days. For now, you should be able to create your topic.

Here's an idea.

How about next off season we do a post with nominations for best comments in a variety of categories. List might include:

  • Best original meme.
  • Best first post.
  • Best post in response to a DV.
  • Best put down that is entirely within the rules.

Others?

Then maybe Joe could set up a Comment HOF with the results.

We could do this annually, but then in the first year include nominations from previous years so those aren't lost.

I'd recommend setting up a voting mechanism that didn't include up-voting the person making the nomination.

This gets my vote!
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#VT4SEC

love the idea - particularly the Comment HOF. That would encompass some of the other categories like best meme, etc. because the best comments contain the best content. We could make this easier on Joe by making the HOF based on turkey leg counts instead of creating a poll or voting section.

Joe - this is liquid gold - a Comment HOF page where a visitor could see the top 100 comments based on turkey legs would get a ton of hits and would increase the site's reputation beyond it's already Rogers-esque level. It would also help those people who cannot be on the site every day or even every week. They could catch-up by browsing the HOF to see if there is anything they've missed.

The idea of being able to turkey leg forum posts would let you do this for forum posts as well.

But now it's going to take longer to get to 1000

Great job managing the site as always though Joe.

"Hokie religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid." Han Solo

Good update, but personally I'd like to see it get taken a step further. Instead of having things based on total upvotes or turkey legs, have the requirements be based on a ratio for turkey legs per post. As it currently stands, you can still just post a whole lot of not so meaningful comments and get an odd upvote. Changing the system to reflect on the quality of posts would help to further improve getting through the comments. That way, when a guy like Billdozer or Box posts something, you can see the general consensus that they post quality content.

Once you have the turkey leg/post ratio in place, you can start to allow users to filter or ignore posters with a ratio below a certain value. Because of the vast number of posts that now happen on this website, it's become time consuming to sift through all the junk. The filtering or ignoring features will obviously be down the road, but it's a long term goal that would work really well I think.

Logan 3:16

Hmm…my witty one-liners may have to become two-liners.

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-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

I would be against filtering and ignoring. It sets the community up to say "you are a better TKPer than someone else" and we then develop a caste system. If you're ignoring a new member who may be really cool, all of a sudden that person has been posting, yet you've set an ignore and have no idea who this person is, so you lose context in threads and potentially very good content until such time that this person becomes visible to you. I think that severely detracts from the quality of this community and sets us up to be a caste system.

There is a signal-to-noise ratio that exists, and some elements of control may help that (voting on threads, separate tracker for staff posts vs the chattering class, etc) but I think it would be a wild extreme to start ignoring people.

juxtahokie, EPHokie y'all have been here since close to day one. I need to figure out how to make that more transparent, that is to say, recognizing the longtime members as well as high volume ones.

Give their avatars a white beard.

I kid, I kid...

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Oh I know!

Make every one of their comments show in a sepia tone or black and white tones box.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

This cracks me up ^_^

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Thanks Frank!

I like it. (And think I might potentially fall into this category, or at least are close to qualifying for it...)
How about a mortar board symbol (like the $) for those that have been members for 4+ years?

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or 3 years and 9 months

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A mouseover popup of this guy on our usernames?
Old old man

The one missing voting aspect that has been apparent to me is for the actual forum posts themselves. There's been a few times where someone writes a great post and there's no way to upvote it. Other than that I LOST 250 LEGS WHY ME, LORD? WHY ME?

Outside its night time, but inside its LeDay

Well I lost a good 700-800 legs but am honored that all my post over the almost 3 years has accumulated 743 turkey legs from my fellow TKP brothers and sisters considering I'm more of a luker/reader than a regular poster.

H_O_K_I_E_S-HOKIES!

Proud Member Of The Key Play Community Since January 2012.

I am too a bit. Or at least I consider myself more a random now and then poster. However reading your 'About Me' section we have got to get you to go to more games. You might be the key to the rest of this season.

INDEED! I usually only get to about one game a year. I will be in Lane November 1st for the BC game.

H_O_K_I_E_S-HOKIES!

Proud Member Of The Key Play Community Since January 2012.

Yay! I can get that feeling of breaking 2,000 again!

Fantastic change, and one I wondered about. Looking forward to it.

As a side note, I really had no idea I've posted that much over the year. I guess I spend a lot of time on TKP.

Relatively new member and infrequent poster. Just wanted to say I like the changes, which I hope will help to keep this a community that can disagree without being disagreeable. We were starting to lose that.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

Longtime stalker, occasional pot-stirrer here. Joe, how difficult would it be to adjust the comment aggregation to reflect Comment Score instead of time posted? I'm not web-smart, so I don't know what the protocol is on something like that.

My reset leg count was 666.

Bad omen?

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

Not gonna lie, i've been here for a while and didn't know starting a thread was 200 legs (now 100)
.

@VTimHokie85

That was new as of yesterday. Before, as long as you had at least zero legs, you could post a topic. Then we had a steady influx of people, some of whom immediately started topics on everything that came to mind. Now, they have to learn a bit about the culture her before doing so. The tracker was starting to get a bit spammy.

Ah. I miss read. For some reason I was thinking some who posts a thread got 200 (now 100) legs. That reading will really get after ya.

@VTimHokie85

Is it possible to close threads to comments after a certain amount of time? There were a few threads the people commented on in the past few weeks that were 1 or 2 years old and it made me think, "why are we bringing this up again?"

I think that'd be a great idea.

Maybe exclude staff topics from that, but in general, especially on topics that have a ton of comments, having something old make the top of the discussion board either ends up in a rehash of stuff that's already been said, or at best, a one-off comment whose context is difficult to determine.

It's an open question in my mind if it'd be worth shutting down the ability to up or down leg comments on old threads. I'm leaning toward the opinion it should be left on, but I could argue it either way.

I've updated the Inside Jokes/Memes thread a few times. It doesn't get many updates, but if a new one shows up, it's probably worth adding over there. Might be a long time between posts on that one.

IDK, some threads could still be relevant. The 'tell us about yourself' thread and the 9-11 thread come to mind as recent reopened threads that I thought/think are relevant.

6-5, 10-1-1, 2-9, 3-8, 6-4-1, 6-5, 5-6, 2-8-1, 9-3, 8-4, 10-2, 10-2, 7-5, 9-3, 11-1, 11-1, 8-4, 10-4, 8-5, 10-3, 11-2, 10-3, 11-3, 10-4, 10-3, 11-3, 11-3, 7-6, 8-5, 7-6, 7-6, 10-4.......

I agree. I thought this was what the tracker is for. Search TKP to see if the topic is there so you don't need to repeat that same topic again. Just add to what has been established, otherwise we're just Bill Murray in Punxsutawney watching the diner scene and saving that brat kid every day. Recurring topics happen anyway, like the weekly "MELTDOWN" threads or recruiting update threads, but some things like JustaFan mentions really can constantly be brought back up to be relevant. just my opinion.

i'm just glad i get to eventually hit 1,000 legs again (since i missed the occasion the first time around!)

I don't have to take this abuse from you, I've got hundreds of people dying to abuse me.

Are my eyes deceiving me, or can we now remove an inadvertent downvote without having to upleg?

Further proof of how awesome this site is... ask for a change, and it friggen gets done!

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

#thingsiblamethemvsfor

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Thanks Frank!

Upvoted. Reset. Upvoted again.

Why? Because I can.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

I was about to post "hey Joe, how about a reset button?" as a joke, but you guys beat me to it.

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-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

Joe, would it be possible to see how many up/down votes a particular comment got in the "My Recent Comments" section? If not is that something maybe an experienced software engineer may be able to contribute?

Not gonna happen.

We had this before and it was abused. People got way too butt hurt over downvotes, flame wars, etc.

Having an anonymous total killed off most of that noise and TKP is much the better for it.

I'd be happy with just the comment score in the recent comments view. It'd be a nice addition. I 'member the ol' down vote butt hurt days.

Maybe for April Fools Day or New Years reset everyone's leg count to what it would have been under the old system for a day (VTGM might break 6 figures).

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-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

I think you misunderstood selhini's request (or maybe I did?). My understanding was that selhini doesn't want to see how many up votes/downvotes his comment got, and from who; rather, he wants to be able navigate to the My Recent Comments page and scroll through his list of comments, and see how many turkey legs his comment got. Right now, you can't see a comment's turkey leg count without navigating to thread.

As someone who frequently uses the 'My Recent Comments' page, I'd really like this functionality.

Twitter me

My ghetto workaround has been to click 'reply' to the comment on the recent comments page. Takes you to a page where you could, if you wanted to, talk to yourself. It also shows the comment score for the particular comment in question. Still a couple more clicks then what y'all are asking for (and which I would appreciate) but it keeps you from having to wade through the thread to see if TKP appreciated your humor.

I've been drinking.

That could be. In that case party on.

It's both. I'm not interested in who voted how but let's say I post a comment that got 10 total legs but it was 200 ups and 190 downs. Rather than assuming it was a marginally appreciated post I would actually see that it generated a lot of both positive and negative. In my mind that would alert me as to whether I appropriately conveyed my message and/or understand the audience. In my opinion it would make me a better poster.

We had that originally, and it devolved into a minor meltdown literally every time someone saw that their comment got a downvote. The amount of incessant whining that Joe and VTGM had to deal with necessitated only going with the net score, just to get it to stop, and it worked.

Wouldn't expect it to ever come back. It really did get that bad.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I don't ever want to see that damn vote breakdown again.

The best were always when a comment had a score of like 10 or 20 upvotes, but holy shit, one downvote and suddenly the Uruk-Hai pits of Mordor had opened.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I'm surprised you don't drop this image more often

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I had no idea. I'm guessing a volume indicator wouldn't mitigate this either. Like +10 L or -20 M or +100 H.

If people think that random tangents on recruiting threads are bad, picture that on every thread where a downvote happened at all. People started complaining about every single incurred DV. Many were incidental (mobile viewing/scrolling) and by the time anyone could correct the situation, there were 50 meta comments about the principles of proper voting, often having to be refereed (or outright halted) by yours truly.

Moral of the story: People are sensitive about fake Internet points, and any positives outweigh the negatives by orders of magnitude.

Makes sense. While we're on the topic of being off topic. What kind of guitars do you play?

Oh great, now we're going to get a 50 comment tangent about guitars in a thread about downvoting

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

You should downvote him to show your disapproval.

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

That would comply with the rules... So I technically would not have a leg to stand on. Unless you gave me one.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Yall got me looking at my turkey leg count this Monday morning, I didn't realize this was from deep in the bowels of TKP.

Haha. I was just following guidelines and not starting a new topic if one already existed.

what's a turkey leg and how can I start earning them?

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Lol I don't care too much for legs, so if you never told me about the change I wouldn't have ever noticed!

This thread is 3 years old....

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I rest my case lol

What do we have to do to start earning breasts??!!

We put the K in Kwality

Change the TKP spokesperson from Emma Watson to Dolly Parton?

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Sometimes I like to leave off the /s just to mess with people.

It's the quality, not the quan-tity.

Spoken like someone who doesn't have a lot of turkey legs

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

It's all relative.

Are you advocating age before beauty? Otherwise, you should have gone with Katy Perry.

Or Kate Upton, or Kat Dennings, or Nikki Minaj

I mean, there's a lot of potential here

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I'm a thigh guy, myself.

What's important is that we're all team Turkey Leg.

#TurkeyWatch2k17

Voting rights? what do we vote on?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

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