December 2017 recruiting Thread- Part 2

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This was the last post in Part 1:
Are there any JUCO's (outside of Webb) or potential grad transfers that we are looking at?

Just remember when Early signing period happens each new signed player should get their own thread.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Is that the way we've done it before, or is that something new?

No, because we've never had an early signing period 😉👉

Chem PhD '16

Sure, but I seem to remember us having a signing period before.

Some updates from VT targets from 247 Shrine Bowl coverage:

KJ Henry:

"A lot of people don't realize how much I actually like Virginia Tech," he said. "They're a sleeper for me. Coach Fuente has been hitting me up the most out of any coach. The fact that a lot of my good friends are going there and live less that 30 minutes from me right now is the main pitch for me.

K J Henry announcement 12/20.

Dax;

With Virginia Tech, I just love the relative closeness to home," he said. "It's just right up route 77. Coach Foster and the 'Lunch Pail Defense' is what I really like about Virginia Tech. The obvious difference between Stanford and Virginia Tech is the distance from home. The education is different too. The education at Stanford is the best in the world

Dax talks schools

A guy like KJ would fill a huge need and be one of those "program changers" in the sense that if he excelled immediately it would attract other top ends to VT. Much like the Sammy Watkins effect at Clemson with wide receiver recruiting.

I really hope we get him, and I really hope Clemson doesn't.

I really hope we get him, and I really hope Clemson doesn't.

Unfortunately I think we're going to get hit with that double-disappointment.

Let's just keep our fingers crossed on this one guys. I have a feeling this class may end up being better than expected by most.

Hokie Love!

Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, with the way clemson is sending DE's to the nfl right now, I have a bad feeling. Really, really hope to be surprised though.

he way clemson is sending DE's to the nfl right now

This argument should have no sway on KJ. He'll get to the NFL playing for any program.

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Couldn't agree more with this statement. To be honest, his route to the NFL would be quicker through VT with early PT and a spotlight.

True.

But unfortunately that's neither the easiest argument (pictures on nfl players on a wall are simpler than words & logic) nor the way 17 yr olds think.

Program and exposure could determine his placement though. Top recruits flame out all the time, at Clemson it's more of a sure thing. Really just smart planning for the future.

This is not necessarily true. You can go back through every recruiting class and find plenty of guys in the top 30 in the country that did not pan out at all as expected. There are a variety of reasons, some injuries, but nobody is a sure fire nfl prospect. Remember Byron Cowart? Dude was the third best recruit in the country and he left Auburn because he's riding the bench. He may turn it around and find a home in the NFL based on his god given size and abilities but his career is not going anywhere near as planned. Plenty of others fall in that category too. Clemson has turned solid recruits into standout draft prospects at the end position year after year. Clelin and Austin were solid recruits, not 5 stars, but solid and they have great draft stock. Shaq Lawson wasn't a huge name either out of high school and look what he did.

I'm sure KJ probably thinks he can go to the NFL no matter where he goes to college, but if he doesn't it's hard to look at Clemsons track record of monster d lineman and turn away from that.

Wrong. I'm sure you get quality coaching at Clemson, but Clemson's track record is almost entirely a function of the talent level they are working with. It's not because they - or Bama or Ohio State or USC - have some magic wand that transforms guys who otherwise wouldn't get drafted.

As long as there isn't a coaching debacle or you don't get lost in some sort of internal pissing contest at Whatever U, you can make it to the NFL if you have NFL physical attributes and skills. NFL rosters are chock full of guys who did't go to blue blood programs - or even VT level programs. Hell, nearly half of the #1 picks in the draft over the last 25 yrs or so have come from non-blue blood schools.

I agree that Clelin Ferrell and Austin Bryant were pretty solid 4-star recruits coming out of high school. But, Clemson goes further back than that. Shaq Lawson was a low 4-star guy, rated as 0.8944 by 247 composite. And Vic Beasley before him was a 3-star recruit.
Clemson definitely has a bunch of talent nowadays, but they aren't running 5-star talent at DE like Bama and their history shows that a few of their DEs were developed at the school. Maybe it's dumb luck and Beasley and Lawson were going to develop into elite talents regardless of where they went, but Clemson can definitely point to these guys and say they have an ability to develop DEs.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

To be fair, the conversation is about KJ Henry, one of the best DE recruits in the country. Comparison to less talented recruits that Clemson has "developed" seemingly lacks relevance. It would seem to be more appropriate to compare recruits of similar status (Ferrell and Bryant, likely included) that went to Clemson and not to Clemson, compensating for all other factors involved with making it to the NFL. Show that Clemson out performs the rest would then show that they have an ability to better develop players of KJ's level into NFL talent.

It's not an easily testable theory. And there is plenty of confounding evidence to suggest that elite recruits will make it the NFL, regardless of school.

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In the context of KJ Henry, you are absolutely right. Discussing Lawson and Beasley are pretty irrelevant and not good comparisons. I should have been more clear, but I was disagreeing with the following statement:

Clemson's track record is almost entirely a function of the talent level they are working with. It's not because they - or Bama or Ohio State or USC - have some magic wand that transforms guys who otherwise wouldn't get drafted.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Ah, yea. true. Establishment of track record is likely more nuanced.

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Well since you were so polite, I will be too. Wrong. As the above comment backs me up, they recruited guys that are solid recruits, but certainly not top draft prospects but they were once they left Clemson. Claiming that coaching has very little to do with how a player develops into a possible NFL talent is a ridiculous statement. Also, saying "you can make it to the NFL if you have NFL physical attributes and skills" is an obvious statement. But how do those players develop NFL skills? Maybe the coaches have something to do with that?

I'm not saying anything definitive about KJs future as a football player. I'm only saying that when you look at the number of non 5 star guys Clemson has put in the NFL at his position it is tough to go against that when you're an 18 year old kid planning his future. You're going to have to provide some evidence to the contrary to convince me these guys get to the NFL on talent alone.

I'm not going to derail this thread any further, but there is so much illogic with this logic, I don't even know where to start.

downvotes on this comment....really? leg for you....downvotes not deserved.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Is it so much of a stretch to imply that even 5-star players need development and proper coaching? Because it seems to me that's all he's arguing.

Is it so much of a stretch to imply that our coaches are just as capable of developing 5-star players?

Recruit Prosim

I absolutely believe our's are capable. But I thought of this as more of a general argument, not a specific comparison between teams.

Ok I won't post a long response to derail the thread. I would just like to clarify that my main issue with your comment was that when you said a high schoolers eventual draft stock is "almost entirely" based on their measurables and athleticism, you implied that coaches have next to nothing to do with that players future success. You might not agree but I would say that guys who get paid north of $500k a year to coach a position group, they will have an impact on that players development.

Just looking at the 2010 class 5 star DEs

Ronald Powell, Jackson Jeffcoat, Owamagbe Odighizuwa, and Reggie Wilson. Only three made it to the NFL and of those three one is now in the CFL and the other two have almost never seen the field and are currently free agents. Just proving that being a 5 star is not a free ticket to NFL succes.

Doubling down on the illogic now, I see.

For starters you assume individual star ratings by ratings services are the end all, be all of talent - and those same highly paid coaches aren't also better evaluators of talent than the hacks at the recruiting sites. Do you think maybe the real pros know what they're doing and it's not an accident some of those borderline 3*/4* somehow get recruited by a blueblood?

You also overstate the star ratings of recruits at Clemson, et al. Contrary to your portrayal, the vast majority of their recruits are not 5 star recruits. But in the aggregate they are simply recruiting more talented players - and that results in greater, but not guaranteed, success.

Also, you seem to ignore that the Clemson's of the world also have busts. If coaching was SO important, wouldn't all of these guys be high draft picks?

The fact of the matter - getting back to the original point - is if you have the inherent talent and physical attriibutes, you work hard, and you don't go to a total shit show of a program you have every bit as good a chance of getting drafted in the same place in the draft as going to a blue blood school. I mean UVa has as good of a track record of putting guys in the pros as VT (if not better) but their program and coaching haven't been remotely in the same league as VT's. So how have they managed to put guys in the NFL? Because the one thing they've succeeded at WRT football is often signing a handful of really talented players in each class - and many of those guys ended up with substantial NFL careers.

Bruce Smith was at VT when it was a 3rd tier program in a day and age when VT being on TV was a rarity and exposure was almost non-existant. Yet he was still a #1 pick. Do you think that was because the VT coaches at the time were so off the charts good? No. Bruce Smith was simply a ridiculous talent. Short of a shit show, he was heads and tails better than everyone else and it didn't matter what school he went to.

Oh my gosh, start a new thread please...or exchange numbers and call each other...

"Oh my gosh, start a new thread please...or exchange numbers and call each other..."

Seriously. Or at least include some pics of McKayla Maroney to make it interesting.

A picture is worth a thousand words. A gif is worth a million.

See I would rather see a good debate than another stupid GIF, pun, or bad joke. But that's just me.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

Haha you literally were the one to bring up stars in the first place which is why I did. But I am done here. We have a fundamental disagreement and that won't change. Hopefully we can snag KJ because I do believe he is a program changer.

My favorite part of this thread is that marcb's first comment was a rational "it's not the easiest argument" but then proceeds to just shove his opinion down your throat, calls everything you say illogical, and refuses to imagine anything to the contrary. The guy should run for president...

Communication can be tough in forums I don't like stringing out arguments because after a few comments you most likely won't get anywhere. That being said, I think he would have a solid chance at the presidency but I think the incumbent has a decent edge in irrationality and would pull it out.

When did I bring up stars in the first place?

Sorry it was somebody else you were agreeing with that brought up the general notion of KJ being one of the most talented prospects in the country. I just equated that to stars since in his position they are one and the same.

You're arguing so hard but you two barely even disagree. If you want to talk illogical though, you're totally discounting coaching, as if all coaches are the same (I promise you some are better then others), then go out on the utterly illogical limb of "if coaching mattered that much there would be no busts". That's just absurd. You could argue it doesn't matter quite as much as the other guy is saying and that's fine, but you are currently arguing either (a) quality of coaching is the same at every school or (b) quality of coaching doesn't effect draft status, both of which are monumental stretches.

That's why I just clarified to say I think coaching matters and we're not getting anywhere because we fundamentally disagree. Now we can get back to speculating whether or not he will actually come here! Haha

I'm not saying coaching doesn't matter.

But I believe good positional coaching is not a rare commodity in college football and I'm saying that the quality of the positional coaching at a blue blood schools isn't a significant differentiator in player development. Position coaches come and go, leave of their own accord and get fired, yet certain programs continue to send players to the NFL.

How can that be? Because the constant is the talent level.

So by far, the biggest differentiator, is talent. The more raw talent you have in your program, the higher likelihood of putting guys in the NFL. But going to a blue blood is not going to appreciably increase your likelihood of going pro or your position in the draft.

It will however increase your profile and potential future non-football marketability, etc. - which is not necessarily irrelevant to the discussion.

Boom. Well said. We can probably just delete the past 30 comments and leave this and one other and get the gist of what's being discussed.

Don't most P5 programs have coordinators making north of $300k? Bud makes base $600k. So if a coaches salary determines his quality then it shouldn't matter the P5 school.....

this subthread...

A picture is worth a thousand words. A gif is worth a million.

Let's not confuse correlative endpoint data with cause and effect (Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy). Just because Clemson has a track record, doesn't necessarily mean that going to a school with less of a track record makes it significantly less likely for a recruit to make it to the NFL. Of course, it would be ludicrous to suggest environment has no role. Star players on elite teams like Clemson are always going to have more exposure.

That said, GMs in the NFL are not afraid to draft from ANY school, including D2 schools. They perform their due diligence. If KJ (or anyone) is a true NFL talent, as long as they put in the work, they'll get drafted. And if they're super NFL talent, they'll get drafted high.

The best path to the NFL is being an NFL talent. It seems reasonable, however, to believe that some schools provide an environment that leads to better development to reach an NFL talent. It also seems likely that people with extraordinary potential and the best environment possible still don't make the NFL for various reasons (e.g., injuries, (lack of) motivation, mental health issues, substance abuse, the Johnny Manziel lifestyle, etc.).

In sum, KJ Henry will be a high NFL draft pick if he develops into it. Clemson provides a platform that likely has some influence, however, KJ himself will have the most influence on his development. KJ is already at an elite level in talent and size. If he continues to strive for the NFL and avoids bad luck, he'll be an NFL talent, whether he goes to Clemson, VT, or even JMU.

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Thank you.

Eh the KJ quote doesn't inspire much confidence from me. If him liking us way more than people think only elevates us to "sleeper" status then I would say our chances continue to look grim at best.

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But we can still be friends...

I think Dax will be a Hokie when it's all said and done. Unfortunately I think KJ will not be a Hokie.

But I will say this, I am impressed with the coaching staffs effort they have put in with a guy like KJ. Yeah I know that is to be expected, but for him to come out publicly and praise us for how hard we are recruiting him, that is something not to be ignored.

It's just so hard for us to compete against the Clemsons of the world today in recruiting. But there was once a time where Clemson was in a similar position to us where they had to recruit against the bigger name schools while they were stuck in mediocrity. It took Dabo a couple years to get it done, but eventually after endless hard work and selling he started to land these guys and we all know what followed.

Will we experience the same jump Clemson did recruiting wise in the next couple years? I wouldn't bet for us to become quite the perennial power they have in recruiting, but I expect it to improve. The main reason Clemson has risen to the top was because of Dabo's creativity and hard work when it comes to recruiting. While we have yet to see the results and it's not a given that we ever will, I see that same sense of hard work and creativity in this staff.

Building Clemson was a process and not a short one at that, we are still at the beginning of ours and are awhile from seriously contending for NCs. And much like Clemson fans did, I'm going to enjoy the process and trust Fuente and company until they give me a reason not too.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

Something, something, money. Something, something, Hokie Club.

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In Sam Rogers we trust.

There's a $impler explanation, I'm positive

Recruit Prosim

This new signing period will really reshape things. Should we expect all of our commits to sign in December? Will that mean that only Dax + maybe an open spot would be available for the February signing period?

I see potential of 3 spots up for grabs after December's signing period...all of these guys are big time players. The guys already committed will sign but you may see more PWO offers or transfer conversations... this class filled up with quality player and knowing we are going after the cherry on top with some of the remaining, instead of getting who ever is interested feels good.

We have a few guys making their decision in the next few weeks and my #sauces feel strong that we stand in a very good spot for both.

The years of offering lower talented guys to fill up our class may be over. I am really excited at what I am hearing about this class and how it may end... it is definitely shaping up to be a big first step to catching up to the top of the ACC.

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So James Mitchell is announcing on Friday, KJ is announcing on the 20th, and I'm pretty sure Webb intends to sign in December, so he'll announce by the 20th. Dax will be waiting to announce til Jan/Feb.

Any idea when the other targets are announcing like Grant, Culver, Walker, Jean-Baptiste? Any other OL targets we are going after with McFadden officially gone like Gonzalez, Gibbs, or Jefferson?

here is what I am confident in saying at the monent:
Forget Grant... Tennessee retained their RB coach so he's not going anywhere (write it down)
Culver has his official right before the no contact period begins (No one agrees but I see him going with the good guys)
Baptiste (BC and VT) We shall see, his recruitment has blown up ( I like our chances if we can get an official)

All the rest I am not confident enough to say, either they are too quiet or the info I know is too similar from behind a paywall and I'm not going there.

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How's Holston's knee?

If we aren't getting Grant, we've got to get the most out of Peoples/McClease/Hoslton

I know tidbits about recruits due to my HS coaching friends I have made and also some other sauces (which I have to be careful due to ties with paywall content), I know jack shit about guys on the roster

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Should be fine, wasn't nearly as bad as they thought it was gonna be. The plan is to play in the bowl game. Since VT hasn't commented on it, I don't want to mention what exactly the injury is.

Direct from the sauces horse's mouth.

According to 247 he is supposed to visit next weekend. KJ is obviously in a different class than Jean-Baptiste, but if we miss on KJ I think Jean-Baptiste could develop in a very good DE in our system.

its fun to hear the comparisons. Baptiste may be seen as the poor man version but he is going to be a beast and have the room to cause chaos if he comes here. I am really excited about his potential.

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According to the 247 official visits page Alim McNeill was supposed to visit the good guys last weekend. Any idea if this happened/how it went? I know I probably need to give up on McNeill, but crazier things have happened and we need DTs!

He already committed to NCST. It would have been better if DD had left.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I knew he was committed, was just wondering if he was a flip candidate or if we are still working on him.

Popped up on my instagram

Wait, so HE posted this?? Either he is the worlds biggest flirtatious a-hole/troll or the exact opposite, a true hokie.

Chill dude, just let it play out. The kid is having fun

Pour some Beer on it

Thanks man, im actually quite "chill". I was more implying that hes gotta be a hokie....but then again this late in the game to post something like that seems pretty ahole-y, if thats not your plan, and pretty teasy. Im not swearing a blood oath or anything against him either way. So, relax brah!

Yes this is his personal Instagram, I thought it was kind of odd since he doesn't post pictures like this with other teams unless it is fresh off an official

Nothing is loading for me... who's instagram is this?

EDIT: worked on mobile. It's Dax in VT gear

Coincidence that directly under the photo are the 3 most important things to a good VT defense?

Heart
Communication
Paper Airplanes

And then to the far right is a banner that if you zoom in real close says "18 straight"

#SuperiorAnalysis

Very underrated comment.

sol-a-rex

This is too good not to share.......

Welcome to Whose Carolina is it Anyway?, where the classes are made up and football doesn't matter.

Recruit Prosim

Just going to suck that much more when he picks someone other than VT.

I feel good about Dax, but a reality check on how these last 5-8 recruits go is probably in order. We will land one guy we have worked hard from the beginning (Dax), a guy who is local who just can't pick the school further away (Mitchell), an OOS guy we need (Culver) and someone we seemingly haven't been recruiting that hard but is a late bloomer (Jean-Baptiste or someone else we haven't even heard of yet).

But we'll finish a painful 2nd to Henry, Webb will take that new SEC offer that just came in, Grant will fail to flip, Walker will tell everyone he really hasn't been thinking about us for a while, and we'll lose a decommit that we didn't see coming. This is the pattern. It is tried and true.

Dont count out Webb yet... the guy dreams about being part of the legacy of the DBU, the real DBU.. it isn't a done deal. It will be closer then you think.

My source told me yesterday that my hypothesis on Grant may be right but he is definitely listening to VT right now.

Walker doesnt talk to anyone, no one have a freaking clue what he is gonna do and I kind of like that till he goes somewhere else.

Just to put this into perspective: When was the last time that the guys we were holding on breath on were guys of such high caliber to end the year, with a great shot to land more than a handful? It felt like every year we were holding our breath to just add some bodies to our recruiting class near the end of the year, meaning we were talking some border line players late in the recruitment cycle that would never see the field.

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Not to be a negative Nellie, but isn't it most years when VT has visions of sugar plum fairies before Xmas with a "great" shot to land more than a handful of high caliber guys?

isn't it most years when VT has visions of sugar plum fairies before Xmas?

Well, yes. But this early signing period thing may really change the landscape. If we can land a good core recruiting class in December, I think the ability to give a bunch of personal attention to the elite recruits can only help. I am hoping when the final chapter is written, the early signing period helps close the gap between us and the recruiting powerhouses.

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#extendbronco

The only drawback is that this is every other team's recruiting strategy now. All of the elite recruits signing in February are going to be bombarded by pitches from every interested school. We will see how it plays out over time, but I don't think that having two signing days means we are at an advantage.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Maybe I am misreading something here, but your tone seems a little negative. I will be absolutely ecstatic if we land Dax, Mitchell, Culver and Baptiste... even if we don't flip Grant, aren't in it for Walker and finish in the Henry and Webb friend zone this will be a great class.

For me the one that will actually hurt he most is Webb... I think he would be huge for our D next year.

I don't read it as negative, but an attempt to temper expectations a bit, and I think he is spot on with everyone but Webb. I agree with your take that Dax, Mitchell, Culver and Baptiste would be amazing, but I am not even high on Baptiste at this point. Landing Grant, Walker, or Henry would be fantastic surprises.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

I prefer to be fatalistic about recruiting. The 2X4 to the face doesn't hurt as much if you know it's coming.

And just think about how happy you will be if it misses!

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

No worries. Dax will be a Hokie.

Per 247 Walker Culver picks up Auburn offer

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

That's not good.

My guys still feel good. Culver figured this offer was coming. He's planning on visiting Blacksburg this weekend and then signing on the 20-22, so he would have to commit to Auburn sight unseen. I would worry if he cancelled his VT visit for an auburn official but he hasn't made any indications that will happen.

Two horse race between VT and OSU. OSU is playing the numbers game on him. Wouldnt be shocked if some of the visitors scheduled along with him weren't plan strategically for Culver to feel the love. This staff uses their recruits as recruiting tools very well.

edit: damn that was unreadable!!

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Are you typing with gloves on BAG?

Sorry, I really wasn't paying attention. Trying to talk and type isn't my thing.

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No worries. Just bustin' your balls.

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Memphis' recruiting classes from 2013-2016 ranked 90, 78, 77, 61. I would say Fuente arguably left them a program that currently would give us one heck of a game, maybe even beat us (and that's without Bud or Hilgert). Our class currently sits top 25 so I think we will be fine, Trust in Fuente. There will be KJ Henry's and Rashad Walkers and even Dax's in the upcoming classes as well. We are building something. Truly game changing recruits like Vick, Lamar Jackson, and Baker Mayfield are usually not 5 stars. Take a deep breath we will get our guys

Truly game changing recruits like Vick, Lamar Jackson, and Baker Mayfield are usually not 5 stars.

Alright folks lets try out best to not take the bait. We still have a lot of recruiting news to discuss this month and we don't want to derail another recruiting thread.

Using /s is for cowards.

STARS DON"T MATTER PAAAAAAWWWWWWLLLLLL

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Quote of the thread so far...you're my hero.

This post is not the best but its not downvote worthy.... shesh lately there has been some negative nelly's around here.

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I think of KJ Henry's recruitment as a trial run at Brandon Smith.

Reading KJ's comments around his recruiting so far, it looks like Alabama is out of the picture and looking at Georgia's class, they are also probably out too. USCe is probably 3rd but really just aren't trending towards a top 10 team like the Hokies. It really comes down to VT and Clemson, and while I think he picks Clemson, we are really dang close to pulling the upset.

That's what I like!

Positivity, man, Positivity.

In regards to KJ, you always take the sleeper (us). If he is committing in 8 days he should already have decided. Why would you tell people "don't sleep on VT?" If you know your not picking us. That's like saying "you guys are dumb to think I wouldn't pick VT, I'm not going to but you should think I might"

KJ is going to shock the world he doesn't want to be "another" at Clemson, he wants to be THE GUY at VT.

Mark it down KJ is a Hokie!

I miss being able to have this kind of positivity. Yet years of following Hokie recruiting has made me cold, hard, and pessimistic.

Using /s is for cowards.

Me every year with every big recruit...

change is a coming my friend coach fu and co have heard enough about the cruits getting pulled out from under us

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

Let's Go

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The last time I got my hopes up for a recruit was Da'shawn Hand. It probably should have been Stephone Anthony in 2011. Hand said Foster was his favorite coach; than he chose Bama because they have his degree. He majored in Civil Engineering.

The last google mention of D'Shawn Hand and Civil Engineering I can find is 2015.

I could be wrong, but my guess is if he was still a civil engineering major, the Bama PR dept and local/nat'l media would be all over that story.

No, he said he was going to do Civil Engineering up until the day he abruptly dropped us from his list. That day he announced he was going to do some sports business degree that Tech didn't offer and so that was "the reason" we were no longer in the running.

This may make you feel better, but it appears to be fake news. As I said in my post, the last mention was 2015, not 2014 when he committed to Alabama.

He made some sort of SEC scholar athlete honor roll (yeah, I know...) in FALL 2015 AS A SOPHOMORE and his major was listed as Civil Engineering.

I'm not going to take the time to research it but that wouldn't surprise me. The whole reason I put "the reason" in quotes in my post was because it seemed obvious that wasn't the real reason we were being dropped anyway; he just wanted a convenient excuse to drop us without flat out saying "Tech sucks at football right now" after he had been gushing over us for months.

I'm pretty confident the sports business degree or whatever it was was the excuse he gave at the time though. I remember a lot of discussion during the fallout of his recruitment about why we didn't offer such a degree. It doesn't surprise me at all if that was all BS and he wound up in engineering anyway.

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I'm really hoping that this is not how Mike London did his "YOU!" pitch, because that mental image has me clawing my eyes out.

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Just some random tidbits and thoughts:

-Saw an article on 247 where KJ said his dad getting a coaching job would factor into his decision. I don't like this at all. Hopefully it won't come down to this, didn't something similar happen with Lawson's HS coach a few years back? That worked out well. Hopefully VT takes the long view and hires the right coach for the 10th position, and hopefully KJ picks VT regardless!

-Also saw on 247 that Webb got an offer from Tenn, and that he is considering visiting either Tenn or Florida this weekend before deciding. Tenn doesn't scare me that much, but I would be worried if Florida offered. A chance to go back closer to home with a school that traditionally puts out good defenses.

-With LA saying that Culver is hoping to make a decision by the early signing period that means in 8-10 days from now we will know about Culver, Mitchell, KJ, Webb, and possibly Jean-Baptiste (though with his recruiting blowing up it wouldn't surprise me to see him wait it out).

All that to say, we'll know a lot more about our 2018 class in 10 days! Merry Christmas!!

Was coming here to post this about KJ, just saw on my CBS sports app. Not sure how I feel about that...

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The Lawson thing didn't work out because Lawson didn't work out. There may be reasons not to go the dad-coach route, but the Lawson thing isn't really one of them.

agreed, adding a "quality control coach" doesn't really have ANY impact positive or negative on anything. for the most part the roll of these guys is basically a secretary for the coaching staff. they review film, give write ups on the film, sort through recruiting videos, organize play books, game plans, etc and just make things simpler for the position coaches while they get to give their opinions they don't have much say so in anything. its basically an entry level position in coaching at a D1 program. which is NOT a bad thing at all. but as far as adding a QC coach (which hopefully already has coaching experience parent or not) wouldn't have any effects on anything VT football. but adding a guy like KJ certainly has the chance to and even though Lawson didn't work out had it we wouldn't have anything to say about adding buddy on the staff. did anyone ever hear anything about lawsons high school coach again? nah... because it was irrelevant.

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I don't want to derail the recruiting thread, so if we want to keep debating this feel free to make a new thread, but hiring people as a form of recruiting, even if it's only as a "quality control coach" sets a terrible precedent. If that becomes the norm it's just another way for schools with more money to have another leg up in recruiting; just offer their dads' coaches jobs for a couple years then let them go.

I'm not against hiring a coach/dad in general, but doing it in order to land a recruit is short-sighted. In the Lawson case, it came out about a month after he signed that we hired his HS OC Max Warner, and there were a lot of rumors that this was done as a way to get Lawson. Two years later Lawson didn't work out and as far as I can tell Warner is no longer on staff, which was exactly my point.

If KJ's dad is some football coaching whiz, then that's one thing, but this is the first I have heard of him being considered for a coaching job. This doesn't pass the eye test, just like in the Lawson example.

I agree. but the recruiting world is almost like an under ground black market. whatever it takes to get a leg up is what some schools will do. weve always been on the other side of the spectrum when it comes to this stuff for atleast as far as we can tell (nothing publicly has ever broken) and its something I love and respect about VT and the beamer era. I think coach fuente is cut from the same cloth but IMO hiring a coach which hopefully were aren't only hiring him for that reason is atleast a for NCAA rules is the right way to do it. Max Warner for what its worth was supposed to be a pretty good coach. our own TPK said so.

http://www.thekeyplay.com/virginia-tech-football/2015/03/8814/hokies-tab-hillsborough-hs-oc-max-warner-next-bill-walsh-join

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Maybe it's just hyperbole but if you really think that

adding a "quality control coach" doesn't really have ANY impact positive or negative on anything

Then I think you've missed the trend in College coaching for the last 3+ years. Having those analyst positions allowed Bama to park their last 2 OCs on staff as "secretary for the coaching staff". Having strong knowledgeable analysts allows teams to get ahead on game planning, film reviews, player development and recruiting.

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How would that not be some kind of recruiting violation to hire a recruit's father at the exact time the recruit is brought on board? Just seems like such an obvious collusion/conflict of interest type thing to me.

My guess is that the player it's because still an amateur and a student. That's like 99% of what the NCAA cares about because that's the foundation of their authority.

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I think that if the University can show that it has hired other non-athlete student's relatives then it's kosher.

See UNC vs NCAA

From what I read on other sites, the NCAA recently passed a rule that you can't recruit a kid whose family member was (or would be) hired recently unless they were hired as one of the position coaches. So, it seems like a quality control position wouldn't work according to NCAA rules, but if he were hired as one of the (to be) ten coaches, then it would be legit. Given that he's served on Wake's staff through three head coaches, and retired to stay in the area, he might be a decent fit as an assistant DL coach, focusing on recruiting NC.

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All that, coupled with Fuente's quotes, leads me to believe that we may have an either drastically better, or drastically worse class in 10 days

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he sounds certain to me.

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Lawson's coach was seemingly a lot better than Lawson.

KJ's dad is currently a D1 coach at UNC Charlotte, and is the reason that school made KJ's top 10.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Well, now that we have some facts (thanks for sharing that info), it changes this discussion for the positive. If dad is already a D1 coach, then such a hire doesn't "stink" like just some recruiting ploy.

Keith Henry actually has quite a long coaching history, including 17 years under Jim Grobe (11 at Wake). He has coached on both sides of the ball, plus special teams coordinator, defensive coordinator, and assistant head coach. From the Charlotte 49ers website:

Henry's Coaching Career Year by Year
1989: Bandys High School - Assistant Coach
1990: Gardner-Webb - Graduate Assistant
1991: Charleston Southern - Defensive Backs Coach
1992-94: North Carolina A&T - Linebackers, Receivers, Defensive Backs Coach
1995-2000: Ohio University - Assistant Coach
1997-2000 Outside Linebackers Coach
1995-96 Receivers Coach
2001-2011: Wake Forest - Assistant Coach
2011 Special Teams Coordinator
2010 Defensive Backs
2004-09 Defensive Ends
2002-03 Secondary
2001 Outside Linebackers
2013-16: Catawba - Assistant Head Coach, Defensive Coordinator, Defensive Backs
2017: Charlotte - Running Backs

I don't think anyone could look at that resume and say we were just hiring a family member to get a player.

So the NCAA no longer allows schools that hire high school coaches analysts to recruit that high school for 2 years, colleges can hire a high school coach if they make him one of the 9 (soon to be 10) coaches and still recruit that school. Jeremy Pruitt said 'Bama hired him because they wanted 3 recruits. Bama has 13 analysts

If giving KJ's dad a job is the difference between getting him and not getting him...

Well, the team does need an official mom greeter....

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I'd be happy to end up with Dax, Jean Baptiste, Culver, Mitchell.

And QP is going to hopefully have a Mike Vick effect on recruiting. Fuente has been able to rekindle recruiting, but if QP works out like he has the physical and mental ability to, he could push the program to the top.

I got some beers. Let's drink 'em!

Hey! We got a first timer over here!"

*gives him QP

He's not happy... what else you got?"

*Hands him Dax, Jean Baptiste, Culver, Mitchell.

Thank you!!!!!

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

QP certainly has the physical tools and as a result an extremely high ceiling, but then again so did LT3*. We talk a lot about kids having "potential" but this is a guy that has serious potential. It will be fun to see what Fu can do with him.

*Disclaimer: I was and am a big LT3 fan, but I think it's fair to say he didn't end up being the next Cam Newton as several of the talking heads predicted.

Using /s is for cowards.

Disclaimer: I was and am a big LT3 fan, but I think it's fair to say he didn't end up being the next Cam Newton as several of the talking heads predicted.

But he could have been the next Rob Gro....

you know what, nevermind

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Team cake? or

Team I Don't Know What I'm Talking About?

Also known as...

Team cake? or

Team not on the same side as Fu and Bud

Using /s is for cowards.

Team cake. F*ck pie.

But not in an American pie sort of way.

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Can you name any movies that have been named after cake that also include a cake sex scene?

...No wait don't answer that.

Don't google that....

9 1/2 weeks?

There's also the Cake Sitting in Better Call Saul.

Name a weird thing, and there will always be someone out there doing it just to annoy you.

The only good kind of cake...

This is straight up #Horsepussy

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My #sauces tell me that we need to tweet at all our remaining targets to help our coaches with recruiting. The main message we need to send them is how much every other school sucks and how we are better in every aspect. /s

1-0 every week

Meanwhile on the court... VT top 4 for 2018 prospect Florent Thamba. 6-9, 225 ESPN 4 star. Athletic, nice stroke out to 15 ft. Looks like a big man who can pass and do all the things Buzz wants from his big men.

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but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Very nice.

Its down to VT, Baylor, Illinois, and Nebraska. We certainly seem like the team most on the upswing out of them, so that has to be good for us.

That said, I've heard #sauces that he might not be an immediate take for Buzz. There might not be room for him in this class. Take that for what its worth.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

That blows my mind in the best way possible

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Any news on Qudus Wahab? 4* 6'11" C from Ashburn, Va. Only visited 3 schools so far and we're one of them. Seems like a slam dunk

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He's a 2019 recruit. Armando Bacot is at the target board but I think Wahab is close behind! I know we've argued at length about it but the fact is we desperately need to land someone like Bacot or Wahab to make a deep tourney run.

Do we actually have a chance at Bacot?

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We lose Bibbs and Wilson and if Outlaw returns we're at 9 so we could take 4 right? Class right now has 3.

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but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Its down to VT, Baylor, Illinois, and Nebraska. We certainly seem like the team most on the upswing out of them, so that has to be good for us.

Baylor has made the NCAA seven times* in the last decade. Their seeds were 11, 3, 3, 6, 3, 5, and 3. They are currently ranked 21st in the country. (*VT has made the NCAA's 9x in our history)

Of course, it's widely believed that Scot Drew is a slimy cheater and they did have a player murder another player. But, their on-the-court success is undeniably better than VT's.

Baylor has made the NCAA seven times* in the last decade.....and they did have a player murder another player

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We may all have rivals and schools that we don't like the coaches or the uniforms, but what we can all agree on is this:

Baylor, as a University, can burn to the ground and rot in hell. They are the worst of the worst. It's like Paterno's PSU combining with Nevin Shapiro's Miami and Roy Williams UNC. Fuck Matt Ryan. Fuck Pat Narduzzi. Fuck Baylor.

And screw you, Chip and Joanna Gaines, for your blatant support of Baylor on your show. The reason you are renovating these houses is because you can buy a 2,000 SF house for $75k because Waco is a shitshow.

And great job, Liberty, for hiring the AD that let all of this happen.

{Besides that, I don't have strong feelings about Baylor.}

+1 for Fixer Upper bash.

-1 for not creating a Baylor bashing thread instead of subjecting the recruiting audience to this.

(I didn't really downvote, but I wanted too)

I get your dislike of Baylor athletics and its management (and I agree with you), but throwing Chip and Joanna Gaines under the bus as a part of that - really? They certainly have no bearing on Baylor athletics or its mis-management.
And the prices on real estate in Waco are higher than your saying (https://www.zillow.com/waco-tx/home-values/). The value they have provided to that towns tax base and improvement is solid and undeniable. Every town in America could only wish to have people like them helping out like that.
What do you have against them?

EDIT: And I didn't downvote you either. I just think that addition is... nevermind.

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You took that Fixer Upper dig kinda hard. I would hate to see your response had he dissed shiplap.

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Ha, that's a great response. Thanks for the afternoon laugh.

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Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

Is it football season yet?

And screw you, Chip and Joanna Gaines, for your blatant support of Baylor on your show.

And who are Chip and Joanna Gaines, again? Is Chip a 2018 or 2019 recruit, and can he create separation downfield? Is Joanna his sister, and are we hiring her as a recruit hostess?

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they did have a player murder another player

Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?

Other than the murdering, raping and paying players, how is your athletic program, Baylor?

someone should start a "Random Tangent Thread" and move all of these conversations over there. I come to the recruiting threads for news on recruits, visits, offers, etc. and am frequently disappointed by the nonsense that goes on. We are better than this!

I second this. Every time I click on the "3 new" link I am assured that it will be more senseless babbling rather actual recruiting news. We ALL could TKP harder.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

and am frequently disappointed by the nonsense that goes on.

Welcome to TKP

We are better than this!

Yeah, but.... we're really not

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Welcome to recruiting threads lol they always take a bad turn very soon after thread is created

I've learned my lesson continue on bored peers, I'll wait around for 'Part 3' by the last week of December. Hopefully they'll be some good content in there.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

You drastically underestimate the ability of this site to stay off topic

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Last week of December? We're up to 515 comments counting part 1 and 2 and it hasn't been two weeks. /s

I agree. The content would be much more relevant without you and I adding comments like these.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Stanford is a top-notch school, though

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Random tangent thread?

Hmmm, I'm bored at work. Got you fam.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

While were at it maybe even a seperate basketball recruiting thread too?...

Oh, the conversation on that...

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I just saw that Webb scheduled an official to Tenn. While that's not great news, I am glad that he's visiting there instead of Florida. Let's hope he is just getting a free visit in and still coming to the good guys when all is said and done.

Finally some legit recruiting news. #LegForYou

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Pruitt will b coaching Bama and the staff is not put together, I'm sure it will be an awesome visit.

Rasheed Walker announced on Twitter he is visiting Virginia Tech this weekend.

Anyone know where Culver is going?

That would definitely make up for losing McFadden. I don't know how realistic it would be, but would be huge for the OL.

I got some beers. Let's drink 'em!

That's awesome. I thought I heard that Culver was visiting this weekend as well. Or maybe it was that we had the last of his officials?

First post on here, but I saw on 247 that DE Jaevon Becton decommitted from Georgia today. Do we have any interest here or is it K.J., Jean-Baptiste, or bust at DE?

VT is involved.

VT isnt high on Becton, I would be suprised if they gave much of a push. Good to see hopefully both Rasheed and Walker Culver on official this weekend!

I would hope that we have KJ and Jean-Baptiste ahead of Becton. The one positive I saw from the 247 article is that Becton isn't planning on signing until February, which means if we miss on KJ and Baptiste we would have time to either go after Becton or find another prospect to pursue.

that's probably why we got involved.

I could see Jean-Baptiste waiting until February as well, but hopefully he's is ready after this weekends visit.

Dax with a CB to Stanford, who is the biggest competitor at this point.

Wouldn't put too much thought into it. VT has a sizable lead. Only thing that worries me about Dax is he gets very caught up in post-visit hype and is a people pleaser. I heard something the last week that makes me very confident however.

Thoughts on Graham and GT?

He came out and said he was 100% Hokie and also signing early I believe

I think they're recruiting hind a QB which is appealing to him, but I think he sticks.

Hope so LA. He is very explosive kind of athletes we need out wide or in the backfield

Hokie Love!

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It seems like the latest school visit always seems to leave a big impression on Dax. That's my concern. He goes to Stanford and gets blown away by the campus, weather, academics, etc.

Hopefully the pull of LPD and being close to home has a greater pull

To follow up on this...

Every single visit he came back from people from the teams 247 felt he was a lock. USC jr. UNC now Stanford. Only team that has CONSISTENTLY been there is VT and he's visited over 20 times. We get one last visit from the coaches after his Stanford trip so we get the last word

Keep calm, Gobble on

Has Fuente used his in-home yet? I believe he's saving it until then, but can't recall.

GIVE IT TO ME ROSCOE!

Cam Goode made First Team All-Met

Outside its night time, but inside its LeDay

Rasheed Walker made All Met as well.

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Can we get a list of players visiting this weekend? So far I have:

Jermaine Waller (VT Commit)
Rasheed Walker (uncommitted)
And potentially Walker Culver (uncommitted)

Culver and Walker on campus this weekend would be great. We need some big OL recruits

I saw last weekend that John Harris was supposed to visit last weekend, but couldn't make it because of the snow, so he pushed back his visit to this weekend, so there's another OL.

247 has a drop down selection for "Visits" on their page now. They're showing Anthony Grant (Tenn RB commit) visiting this weekend. Also showing that Alim Mcneil visited the Hokies this past weekend.

GIVE IT TO ME ROSCOE!

He did not.

At one point, Grant was visiting. Still scheduled?

We'll see if he shows up. Not expecting him to flip either way, but UT has put out a few rb offers lately, so it's possible that could push him out.

Has UT solidified their coaching staff yet?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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They kept their rb coach

On his 247 page it says that Jean-Baptiste is visiting this weekend too.

Jermaine Waller (VT Commit)
Rasheed Walker (uncommitted)
And potentially Walker Culver (uncommitted)

That's a lot of walkers for one visit

#ALLTHEWALKERS

The internet is truly an amazing place sometimes.

the back of the jerseys are all going to have the whole name on the back from shoulder to shoulder lol

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

Nebraska offers Keshon Artis this week per 247... Frost is apparently spitballin

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

It makes sense...I think Artis' decision was between us and UCF...Frost is probably just seeing if he can still lure him, not worried though, he seems like a solid Hokie.

Is it possible Dax's decision influences Artis? Or vice versa? Both seem like MLB types. Dax is almost a prototype MLB and if he commits he'd be the future at MLB. Artis could play the other LB spot and battle it out with Rivers. Tisdale is more of a whip. Who knows what happens with Beckett.

Lots of talented young LB's. Good problem to have I guess.

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Artis and Dax are MLB. Artis probably signs next week and Dax won't announce until Jan/Feb.

Talent at LB has been a focus with Rivers last year and the recruitment of Dax and Artis.

Too early for anyone to worry about all that at this point. Recruits have to develop and adapt to a whole new level in college and injuries can always happen as well. It's one thing to have an entrenched starter blocking your path to playing time but predicting the depth chart based on recruits before they have even committed or enrolled isn't worth it.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

We're gonna have a team of only PG and SG

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Devyn Ford News

North Stafford football coach Joe Mangano said on Tuesday that Ford is prepared to name his top 10 in the next week or so.

Mangano said Ford will narrow his list further in the spring and should be committed to a program by the summer.

"When he plays his senior year, he's going to be fully committed and locked in," Mangano said.

Mangano said Clemson, North Carolina, Ohio State and Virginia Tech remain front-runners for Ford, but Notre Dame, Oklahoma and Michigan have come on strong lately.

...

Mangano said Ford wants to join a program with a stable coaching staff that competes for championships.

Mangano noted that Virginia Tech head coach Justin Fuente expressed his commitment to the Hokies recently and that "was huge."

Mangano said Clemson, North Carolina, Ohio State and Virginia Tech remain front-runners for Ford, but Notre Dame, Oklahoma and Michigan have come on strong lately

feels like he just named a top 7

Maybe his 8th is VT, 9th is VPI&SU and 10th is Vaaaaahhhh Tech.

His favorite is the Huskies. His football influences include Charley Steiner.

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Those late 90's ESPN2 games with Charlie Steiner......

.....and a lot of Mike Golic doing color or former Kentucky coach Bill Curry....

Brings back memories. What ever happened to Steiner?

Dodgers announcer, i think

No love for Virginia Tech University?

Stability could be a helping point against Clemson. Even though Clemson's staff has been relatively stable so far under Dabo, it's only a matter of time before Venables and the co-OC's get chances elsewhere. Venables could be gone as soon as Snyder retires (again).

True but if he's going to commit in the summer then that will be before any of these types of coaching changes take place, and I'm sure every one of these coaching staffs are telling him that they are all there for the long term (regardless of the truth).

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Very true but at least he probably saw the OC's and Venables flirting with other jobs this cycle.