OT - Disney buys 21st Century Fox

Alright, blah blah blah, Disney just bought like all of Rupert Murdoch's empire except for FOX News and FOX Sports 1. Got that part out of the way? Great.

So what does this mean?

Well, since this is a sports board, lets keep it about sports, first. Disney, who also owns ESPN just acquired the biggest regional sports network in the country, and its nearly inevitable that you'll eventually see that rebranded under the mothership's brand and offered as part of the WatchESPN functionality. Games that would have appeared on Fox Sports Net, of which we have many in both football and basketball, would now theoretically be part of the overall ACC Network where there would be no blackout rules in place. This should also, in part, help simplify any issues with the bringing up the dedicated ACC Network, with the possibility it leverages, in part, some of this existing regional network nationwide to make it happen.

But other than sports, what does it mean.

Well, now Disney owns FX, FXX, and Fox's movie studios. Many people are freaking out because Disney is so family friendly and they're going to absolutely ruin the edgy shows on FX and FXX, but I don't see it. You don't buy something successful like that and then screw it up. If anything, they'll rebrand those networks as something else, like how Miramar was part of Disney when Die Hard came out, and continue as is. But absolutely worth keeping your eye on, because there is definitely the possibility established brands like Always Sunny or The Americans could see a fundamental shift going forward.

How does this impact streaming capabilities?

Disney has been very vocal about their intentions of having a massive streaming network that rivals Netflix and Amazon in the near future, which is a major reason they've been letting all their agreements with Netflix expire over the past year. Fox owns Hulu. So now Hulu is a Disney property. Problem solved.

But seriously, this was about Marvel's franchise being split in two, right?

That's a bingo. While Disney owns a vast majority of the Marvel enterprise with its massively popular Avengers series, there was always a glaring hole, because 21st Century Fox owned the X-Men and Fantastic Four. This move allows those properties to be brought into the Marvel Cinematic Universe for use in future films. There has been a lot of secrecy surrounding the 2nd installment of Infinity War, and there have long been rumors a major part of this secrecy was because there were plans to leverage this merge in that movie. This also allows Phase IV to take on a completely new path now that the broad use of the Marvel brand will be allowed. At this point, pretty much the only outliers are The Incredible Hulk and Spider-Man, who are still owned by Paramount and Universal, but have been allowed to participate in those movies. Might be easier to stomach keeping those deals in place now that they don't have to worry about Fox anymore.

Its Star Wars week, any potential implications there?

You know what, there damn well is! Do you absolutely loathe the early 2000s remakes of the original films and just wish you could watch the original trilogy in remastered HD without all the Lucasfilm bullshit? You're in luck, because guess who owned the original theatrical releases? Yup, Fox. So I would very much expect some kind of reworking of the original films to come out again in the coming years to continue tapping into Star Wars hysteria.

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So is there anything the Simpsons haven't predicted?

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For real, Matt Groening is a fugging wizard. There was a thread on r/ShowerThoughts the other day that went something along the lines of "None of us will be alive to see what Futurama got right." At this point, I imagine Futurama is basically 100% accurate


You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
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The Simpsons "orb" scene where the world leaders are touching the glowing orb is after the event happened IRL, not before. The episode was released on May 26 of this year, the event happened in Saudi Arabia earlier in the month.

The rest? Spot on.

Oh yeah? Well if this Matt Groening is so smart and prescient, then why didn't he predict I'd be a Hokie?! Anyone that would've predicted that 15-years ago, would truly be a marvel (given pretty much every male in my bloodline attended VMI and/or uva, going back to antebellum times).

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Because Groening is a benevolent demi-deity, and wishes you to feel like you have some self-determination in what teams you support, just like you believe you chose to love his other creations.

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You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

I'd watch it

Open scene to wolverine being held down by other X-men. He's in tremendous pain, and no one knows why. His stomach bulges and three metal claws erupt from his belly. A small alien jumps out ready to kill everything in the room. Rey slices it in half and the two pieces lay dead on the floor. The hulk carries wolverine out to take him somewhere so he can heal himself properly. The alien starts regenerating and healing itself into two separate aliens. -End Scene_

So, the Brood will never make it to film, because why use them when you can just use Alien?

What is "the brood" precious?

This was one of my favorite covers at the time.

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Wait, so if Disney owns Fox, does that mean regular NFL games can be on ESPN now? Because Disney owns both of them?

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

Fox TV network and main part of Fox Sports is not included in the deal, only the RSNs.

Fox Sports 1 is not part of the deal. So all your National Fox sports stuff will remain the same.

Staying with FOX

Not sold: Fox's national Fox Sports 1 network it launched — alongside FS2 — in 2013 to compete with ESPN. The company's broadcast channel, which notably broadcasts national college football games, the World Series and NFL football would also stay with Fox.

This means properties from FOX broadcast (Simpsons, Family Guy, X-Files, etc) should be staying as well.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Not necessarily. Those shows are made through the 20th Century Fox Television production company, which is being sold to Disney.

That's why a lot of folks are skeptical of the future of the Fox broadcast network. In this day and age of the TV networks being aligned with a studio (ABC/Disney, NBC/Universal, and CBS/Viacom) and the studios being less likely to play nice with the other networks, having a network get rid of their studio connection is a bit backwards. Some folks expect the Fox network to load up with sports and reality shows.

I'd be a little bummed if we lost Fox news

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Fox News is not part of the deal. That's actually the crown jewel in what Murdoch is keeping.

At this point, pretty much the only outliers are The Incredible Hulk and Spider-Man, who are still owned by Paramount and Universal,

Spider-Man is at Sony. Universal only has distribution rights to Hulk, which means it's only an issue if it's a Hulk only movie. Paramount hasn't had anything to do with Marvel other than being the original distributor for the first six MCU movies (later dropped down to four when Disney bought the deal out, but Paramount still got their logos on Avengers and Iron Man 3.)

Technically, there might still be a slight hiccup with the Fantastic Four, as it turns out that Fox really only had distribution rights. A smaller studio has production rights, but will likely get a huge payday from Disney soon.

Wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of deal where Disney maybe trades a Fox property to Comcast/NBC/Universal to get those last nagging rights.

like how Miramar was part of Disney when Die Hard came out

I think that's supposed to be Miramax, which was owned by Disney from 1993-2010. And Die Hard (1988) was a Fox movie, which means that Disney owns it now.

I got so many good memes about this

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

But you are at school and you need to focus.

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"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

Good write-up. Thanks for keeping us in the know.

There is some inaccuracy in the write-up. The acquisition does not include:
* Fox Broadcasting Network and affiliated stations
* Fox Sports 1
* Fox Sports 2
* Fox News
* Fox Business Network

It does include:
* The Simpsons
* Avatar
* X-Files
* Firefly
* Ice Age franchise
* Futurama
* Buffy
* Hulu
* distribution rights to A New Hope
* home distribution rights to Episodes II-IV (which were going to revert to Disney in 2020)

* Hulu

For clarity purposes, Fox didn't own Hulu in totality. Fox had a minority share (30%) of Hulu as did Disney (30%). Those two shares combined equal a majority share (~60%) of Hulu.

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Disney effectively bought Hulu because now they have the controlling share. They can run the site as they see fit, and the others can't really do anything about it.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

They have a controlling share, true. But first of all, Fox didn't own Hulu as stated, but that was probably just merely semantics. Secondly, minority shareholders always have some rights, dependent on the stockholder agreements. So, they almost assuredly cannot "run the site as they fit" and the minority shareholders can do several things about what Disney does. No doubt, Disney has control, but I can guarantee, Disney (and every other sophisticated minority investor) advocated for strong minority shareholder rights when they originally bought into Hulu.

I found this on google if you wanted to know more about minority shareholder rights in private companies: Minority Shareholder Rights

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So...Disney could bring back Firefly? I, for one, welcome our new mouse-eared overlords.

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Just keep making the Orville.


On one hand : OMG! YES!!! Now we can get Fantastic Four and X-Men movies that don't totally suck!

On the other: OMG NO! Giant monopolies suck ass.

The battle of my own nerderm versus civic morals is really hurting my brain

Saw a comment about this on MMO-Champion that they think the government might step in for that reason. I haven't had time to look into the poster's claim, but he stated that Disney would own 85% of the American entertainment industry if this goes through then brought up the government currently sueing to stop an AT&T/DirecTV merger with Time Warner on monopoly grounds.

Guess we can just wait and see either way.

Would this really be a monopoly issue?

If 20th Century Fox had just plain shut down on their own, their assets (intellectual property and back catalog of movies and tv shows) would be purchased by another company. Unless I'm completely off base, that's not much different than what's happening here.

Disney would own 85% of the American entertainment industry

These percentages are based on how one would define the industry, based on the merging companies' and competitors' legal arguments, with the FTC having the final say. So, wherever that percentage is pulled from, it's merely one definition (likely to be argued by competitor's most directly affected), and unlikely to be the final determination by the FTC.

A curious case, you may remember, is the Sirius/XM satellite radio merger. If you defined the industry of satellite radio, the merger was over 99%. But, Sirius/XM was able to convince the FTC that the industry definition should include all forms radio broadcast, including internet broadcast.

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I didn't realize how many of ABC's shows were produced by 21st Century Fox such as the mega hit Modern Family

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I can't wait until Deadpool shows up in the next Kingdom Hearts game.

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That team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

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What does this mean for say the Universal Park in Orlando? Anything?

So I'm a Disney Parks frequenter, like to a crazy level, thanks to my wife. And our friends delved into the right of Universal a little bit. There is not a lot of information about the rights, other than Marvel and its vague. What is there says their stake in Marvel is iron clad, like they can have that area 25 years past when the rights are bought or something like that. So I think since they united all of the rights for Marvel: X-Men, F4 etc. The clock starts now for them. As for the Simpsons and whatever else, no clue.

Again, no idea if thats legit, but thats what they said.

I would assume the rights that Universal has with the Simpsons is going to be very similar to what they have with Marvel, and that they were protected from this kind of purchase. Likely just means that their licensing checks will now be going across town, rather than to Murdoch.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

....its complicated....

Universal bought those rights for use in theme parks back in the 90s, but Disney technically has a say in how they can be used. Because Universal put Marvel Island up before the Disney purchase of Marvel, they can't force them to shutter the park, but they can have a little sway in how the property is used. This is why you don't see any rides of the current movies, and its all mostly based on the 90s comics and tv shows.

Attractions Magazine put it best, back when Disney bought Marvel...

Walt Disney World can't use Marvel's branding for marketing purposes nor can they use the characters Universal Orlando currently has in their park, which is essentially most of Marvel's bigger properties. Furthermore, Marvel rides can't be located within 60 miles of Universal Orlando Resort, which is a clear restriction for Walt Disney World. An interesting stipulation in the contract forbids Disneyland from using the Marvel name as part of an attraction or marketing.

Attractions writer Seth Kubersky, in our comments section pointed out that the likeness of each actor must also be negotiated, which is true for any use of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, from merchandise to films to theme parks. The contract states they must adhere to Marvel's style guideline and example of this can be illustrated by looking at the full details for The Incredible Hulk's relaunch this summer. That's assuredly Hulk as we know him from the comics, but it's not Mark Ruffalo's Hulk seen in "Marvel's Avengers" or "Avengers: Age of Ultron".

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

yea, complicated is accurate. At Disneyland, they refer to Marvel characters as Avengers or as superheroes. Iron Man cannot be mentioned by name (but can use Tony Stark) in the US, but Disney put in an Iron Man ride in Hong Kong.

Disney is planning a Marvel-themed land in California Adventure and a different Guardian's ride in Epcot (Source 1, Source 2). Being a lawyer for Disney theme parks would be very steady, to say the least.

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There has to be some sort of time limit that Universal has though, right?

It depends on what Marvel's original agreement with Universal says. For all we know, it could be in perpetua like 20th Century Fox's agreement was concerning the distribution of A New Hope. If that's the case, Disney would probably have to renegotiate the agreement. If it's more like Marvel's licensing agreement with Gazillion Entertainment concerning Marvel Heroes, then Disney can just terminate the agreement effective a certain date (Dec 31 for Marvel Heroes).

From what I have read, Universal outright bought the rights to use them for theme parks. In order for Disney to be able to do anything in Orlando, they'd have to buy them back from Universal, which doesn't seem likely to happen anytime soon. As long as Universal wants to use it, and as long as they show good faith efforts to keep their Marvel rides well maintained and up to date, there really isn't anything Disney can do to stop them, the contract is that air-tight.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Disney should just buy that park too then

They get Family Guy & American Dad too, right?

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I don't think they bought Fox TV, just the movie part.

They bought the studio that produces those shows, but not the broadcast network that airs them.

I'm excited about all of the X-Men making appearances in Deadpool and Avenger movies. I don't give a Hoo's Zima-fart about the Fantastic Four. I prefer their Venture Bros. counterparts anyway.