FSU Coaching Search

The Jimbo thread is all about going plaid now,figured it was best to give this it's own separate thread.

Until this job is filled, I will still worry that Fuente is still a candidate, even though he came out and said he declined all offers (We have seen this song and dance before with other coaches).

Any how, Taggert was the main target, but it looks like he might stay at Oregon. Charlie Strong is also being considered there as well.

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Until this job is filled, I will still worry that Fuente is still a candidate

Suit yourself, but you're wasting your time and energy. Hell, if Fuente leaves after that soundbite then I wouldn't want him anyway.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

This 1000%.

That comment might go plaid

This comment should go plaid! Let's go FAM!

What is this plaid that I keep seeing referenced, I'm out of the loop.

If you have to ask you can't afford it.

“I turned down 12 other opportunities. You know what I mean?” - Fuente

That's ludicrous.

That's ludicrous.

speed!

Where is Lawson?!

No this is ludacris...

via GIPHY

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Funny story about this scene... This like was completely ad-libbed with this insult unexpectedly thrown at Tyrese... The reactions of Luda and Tyrese are genuine.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

This, also this, and sometimes this.

@hokie_rd

Plaid is in reference to the Plaid Avenger, John Boyer's comic book/textbook alter ego.

Going plaid means going beyond the green top comment rating. Up until this week going plaid was just joked about but Joe has actually made comments with TL ratings above 100 actually go maroon and orange plaid. It's actually buffalo checked, but you get the idea.

All this time I thought it was reference to Ludicrous Speed from Spaceballs.

Ditto, hence my comment above.

Plaid may be a reference to Boyer, but comments "going plaid" have always been a Spaceballs reference.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

This needs to be defined! I take it as Space Balls hyper drive!

Where is Lawson?!

That's HYPERACTIVE hyperdrive.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
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Am I tripping balls again or did this comment literally go PLAID?

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Plaid!

At what point do they go Hokie Stone?! /s

We put the K in Kwality

Let's find out!!

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"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Sometimes I like to leave off the /s just to mess with people.

I'll give a leg for volunteering.

Find me a gif of Emma Watson saying that and I'll campaign on other threads for it to go Hokie stone...

Warning- Filter lost.

"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

FREE THE "STICK IT IN" CHANT!!!

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Hmm.... I'm torn... The axe makes it seem like your volunteering is disingenuous... But then... Emma.

I think she isn't going empty handed

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Who am I kidding. Emma with axe > no Emma at all. In any situation

Man, I thought that was Kate Mara at first. I'm apparently unfamiliar with whatever movie that's from.

This is the end.

SPOILER: Be aware that there is a giant devil penis. So watch for Emma, but there will be consequences.

Jennifer Lawrence > Emma Watson.

Yep, I said it.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I do think that after I give her the best 30 seconds of her life, Jennifer Lawrence would be a lot more interesting to get yelled at by.

Certified plaid.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Lane Kiffin just for shits and giggles

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

I don't think he would be a bad hire. He has recruited the SEC territory including Florida. Looking back on Tennessee, you can see why he bolted for USC. USC should have let him try to actually coach after the sanctions were lifted. That was the problem there.

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2017 will be remembered as the year when Lane Kiffin and ARod inexplicably, became likeable.

I don't see it, but I guess there is still time to come around on ARod.

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I never met a project that couldn't justify a new tool.

Yeah still fuck A-Rod

I don't see the other. Fuck Daniel Tosh.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

As soon as Jeter trades Stanton away for nothing, ARod will have done the unthinkable and eclipsed Derek Jeter in popularity....at least in SoFla.

OK, I know Fuente isn't leaving VT. He said so.

But I will sleep just a little more soundly once FSU locks in their new coach that isn't Fuente.

Yeah that's how I feel. I don't think Fuente leaves, but I will sleep better once FSU has filled the position.

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Nighty night!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Oh the irony if the hire Sumlin

1-0 every week

If they hire Sumlin, and they actually win a Championship! That would be ironic.

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Coach Swap! ...like that show wife swap... forget what channel it used to come on.

Spice, I think.

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Uhhh, Cinemax after midnight? /s

Until this job is filled, I will still worry that Fuente is still a candidate

FSU called. He didn't pick up the phone or return the call.
LSU called. He didn't pick up the phone or return the call.

Please... trust the man when he says he's happy here. He's not going anywhere anytime soon, and the last 2 years have proven that, to Fuente, there are more important things than money, things he has in Blacksburg.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

When did LSU call him?

Last year, just before they settled on Ed Orgeron.

Virginia Tech would walk right up to you and punch you in the neck. They're just tougher. Cowherd 3:16

Yep. And he didn't give them the time of day.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

VT is a perfect fit, and we all know that.

But we might as well get used to the phone ringing every time a decent coaching vacancy opens up.

The good part is that I think Fuente realizes that VT has what he needs (and he has what VT needs) for success.

Honestly he has the opportunity to become a legend at VT. That's an opportunity that doesn't come often at the bigger schools.

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Meh. I don't think that means much to many people as it might to some.

If I think of my job, if I was recruited to a more prestigious firm, earning 25-40% more, regardless of the additional pressures, I'd want to challenge myself. Staying put just to be really good where you are at the moment isn't always the most compelling thing to do.

Except in college football, the bigger challenge is to take an underdog to the top.

Some coaches might prefer that to being the puppet of donors to a school that feels that they already belong in the top 10, with a decent chance that you get fired before you have a chance to make the program your own.

lol this is why everyone chooses a G5 for dynasty mode

Recruit Prosim

No, but it might be why someone would choose VT.

The team would need SOME resources and commitment, as well as a conference who has a seat at the table.

See: Fuente; Williams

G5? Psht, I always went for W&M or Sam Houston State. Or in the NCAA Basketball games, I'd play as Radford.

True, but do they build statues or name streets after people who are really good at one place in your job? Serious question as I am fully aware it's possible since I don't know what you do.

Semper Fi

Is your job comparable to being a head coach? That's the question. In your job can you make your firm more prestigious? That is something Fuente can do. He can change the status of the institution. Very few people are in that kind of position. I'm not saying you're not but what you describe could make sense for a position coach. Both Aaron Moorhead and Jeff Grimes did exactly that.

Head coach is much like a senior leadership role in any company. If you're in the position to drive the performance, financial well-being, and future growth, then yes, they're very similar. While both are note worthy, there is a big difference between starting a company and building it to $50M in revenue or so, or running Citi.
Its extremely unlikely that first company will ever become a Fortune 50 company, no matter how good the man in charge, just like it's not likely Fuente would turn Memphis into VT, or VT into Alabama. Sometimes moving on to another challenge is the best thing to do if you desire another 'tier' of challenge. Given a similar opportunity, I think it's impossible to say I, or any coach for that matter, would refuse to pick up the phone forever.

But this logic ignores the VPI of 1987 versus the VT of 2017. Nothing at all in 1987 would indicate where VT would be today. Getting crushed by Alabama and then beating Alabama in 1998. To not being in the ACC and now a power in the ACC. Conference, facilities, leadership, size of school are all exponetially larger and bigger.
Saban took Alabama to even higher heights when he took over. There is no reason at all that VT couldn't be lifted higher as well. Is Fuente the man? Don't know. But, all the ingredients are present for Fuente or some other coach with cojones and vision to take VT to even higher heights.
VT fans have to quit looking at the school and team with the vision of pre-1995 and start realizing that VT has never lost a football coach to another school and won't start soon.

Again, I'm not saying places can't improve over time, but 1987 VT to 2017 VT was literally more than a coaching lifetime. It's rare (virtually impossible) people set roots like that today - in business or as a CFB coach.

Alabama had 12 national titles before Saban arrived. Saban didn't build Alabama. I'm not sure if there's ever been a single coach to do what you're outlining in a lifetime (maybe Bear Bryant?)

I don't mean for people to get offended here, it's just how life goes. Even if Fuente was the best coach in the history of college football, he wouldn't get us to a Blue Blood status (Michigan, Texas, Alabama, Ohio St, etc.) There isn't enough time in his coaching life. Those jobs are out there and will be out there in the future. To assume he'd never want to take on a challenge like that because 'he can be a legend here' seems shortsighted to me.

Even if Fuente was the best coach in the history of college football, he wouldn't get us to a Blue Blood status (Michigan, Texas, Alabama, Ohio St, etc.)

Beamer beat three of those four teams, and the Virginia Tech program he received wasn't nearly the same Virginia Tech program he handed over to Fuente.

A football program's status isn't engraved in stone. Changing it is glacial, but there is movement. Otherwise, what would be the point of paying coaches a lot of money?

If Fuente wins multiple natty's we would go Blue Blood. I would be happy with just 1 in my lifetime, but if we were to go on a run like Bama, the story would definitely change.

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We'll cross the dynasty bridge after we win one national championship, and we'll do that after Fuente wins an ACC Championship and gets to the playoffs.

And we'll cross those bridges after we go 1-0 against Oklahoma State

Chem PhD '16

Dilly, Dilly.

Sorry, but no. Blue Blood status is not something the program would attain in Fuente's tenure, or probably in any of our lifetime. Being a blue blood means being one of the all-time storied programs. It's an extremely long-term thing. Clemson is great and will continue to be for a few more years minimum. Not a blue blood. Florida State has been near the top tier for two decades, with other bright spots. Not a blue blood. Texas has been shit since Colt McCoy was there. Still a blue blood. Blue blood status isn't just your recent win/loss record. It's historical. It's intuitive. It's probably not a term that will ever apply to Virginia Tech. And that's fine. We don't need to be Alabama or Texas or USC or Notre Dame. I'd rather we weren't. Because above all, blue blood status implies an air of entitlement. And that ain't our thing. We scrap, we fight, we work hard, and one day soon, that's what's gonna get us a Natty.

Counterpoint: if your argument is that FSU has never been a blue blood, does any person in modern times give a rat's ass about being a "blue blood"? This isn't the 1950s anymore. Schools might not become a power overnight but things change a whole lot faster and it doesn't take decades either. A more meaningful list to most fans would probably be Mandel's College Football Hierarchy. So while VT may never become a "blue blood" because of a lack of historical titles, VT is absolutely close enough to the Kings tier that Fuente can take us there during his tenure.

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I concur. I mostly just hate the term 'blue blood' being tossed around as if the definition is flexible. Mandel's system is much more applicable to the current college landscape, and I think we are well within range of the king tier.

Texas gets better recruits than us with worse on field results. The status matters

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Beamer's single game head-to-head wins over TX, Bama, and OSU mean absolutely nothing when comparing programs, especially when we've lost to them too.

College football is big business. Regardless of where you are on the 'blue blood scale,' a good coach can bring massive amounts of money into the university. UCF isn't making their next hire to become a blue blood. They're trying to get $$.

Speak for yourself. Head to head wins over good teams mean something and have been sighted as reasons VT is a legitimate program. The criticism is that it does not happen more. Those wins are far from meaningless.

My OP has been bastardized all the way down to this pettiness. lol.

Beating Ohio State one time does not make us Ohio State. There are 8-10 blue blood programs (Alabama, Ohio St, and Texas included) that VT will never be. And that is perfectly fine.

Blue blood is a made up term. I agree, its perfectly fine if we never get that label as long as we are some other color blood competing at the highest level.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

Blue Blood is an allusion to royalty/nobility.

The use of the term in sports to imply a "royal class" of teams is an appropriate reference, but there is no way to objectively define what nobility or blue blood means in this reference. How does one actually define a royal class of teams? Everyone is going to have a slightly different answer.

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I'm not sure if there's ever been a single coach to do what you're outlining in a lifetime

Bobby Bowden at FSU. They had some decent seasons prior to his tenure but were a combined 19-37 in the five seasons immediately prior to him taking the job and had never finished a season ranked in the Top 10. In his 12th season they finished 2nd in the polls and went on a 14-year run of finishing in the Top 5 every season, with 5 national championship game appearances and 3 national championships.

My feeling with both Fuente and Buzz is they have a dream school or two they couldn't turn down but they're happy and paid well enough at VT that they aren't going to jump to another P5 school for the sake of jumping.

I think we are all in with Coaches desire to stay in Blacksburg. All I can remember is Brian Kelley literally in tears saying he was not leaving Cincy for Notre Dame. Next day....gone. I think CJF has more ethics than Kelly.

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Let's be honest though. Cincy is not VT. I think we under estimate where we stand as a college football program.

and no offense to all Hokies on this great site but VT is no FSU...

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Harsh, but fair. Jimbo left (seemingly) due to issues between him and the admin. I think that outside of having a great boss VT doesn't rank above FSU in many measurable aspects.

Fuente had no VT connections prior to his hiring, and while he fielded plenty of other offers and turned them down during Whit's pursuit of him AND turned down FSU/LSU, I will not be surprised if he takes a 'better' job in the next few years.

If there's an opening at OU, OSU, Texas I would expect him to listen.

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The Advantage VT has over FSU is a really huge one. Patience. (heard this from someone else)

1) Fan base is happy with 8- 9 wins (while rebuilding) and appearances in the ACC Championship every 3 years
2) Increase in donations and revenue could improve. Facilities already improving
3) Easier Conference Division
4) Better AD and President
5) Boosters are happy and less confrontational.

Fuente knows he can get the time he needs to get the program to a very competitive level, knows money will increase and talent improves. Great location to raise a family with a semi under the radar feeling.

He may not stay at VT forever but he knows he will have a seat at the big boy table for years to come on the national spotlight with less pressure.

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

I think the fanbase will be expecting a ACC championship. I don't know about yall, but if we aren't competing and winning championships during Fuente's tenure, he might not be the right guy. So while patience is important and embodied by the fanbase, it probably isn't as comprehensive as that.

If Clemson continues on their current trajectory (becoming the ACC version of 'Bama), I think he may get by with us just GETTING TO the ACC-CG for a while and being consistently top 10-15.

Well, for only so long. Our end goal should always be to win a Natty. If we aren't even accomplishing the step before that we need to make a change. This is why all these teams are changing up coaches in the SEC.

I don't think Clemson will achieve Bama status though.

I don't think we should try to be more like SEC schools.

If Clemson really becomes the Alabama of the ACC, I really hope we resist the urge to burn the place to the ground every 3 years like the SEC has started doing. In my opinion the SEC as a whole has gotten significantly weaker (from top to bottom) by schools trying to chase Bama and nic satan. Les Miles won a fucking natty and he got canned. We don't have the money to play those games, and as a whole I think most of the SEC schools are weaker for having done that.

I've been drinking.

I didn't say we should aspire to be that. It's just that the SEC is the only conference right now that is experiencing such a complete domination by a singular team Hell, even when they aren't winning their conference, they are seen as the best team.

I'm sure that if the Saban situation occurred in another conference there would be a yearly carousal of coaches as well. Let's hope it never comes to that with Clemson.

I don't disagree with anything on your list, FSU's measurables are better in most ways (revenue, facilities, history, recruiting territory) but the above (which are harder to really quantify) can certainly be more in VT's favor. Fuente *does* seem happy, but I'd still be surprised if he were to have the same response in a few years if a blueblood closer to home came calling.

It's a littler weird to me that Jimbo jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire a bit as aTm has shown to have very impatient boosters/fans/administration, but I'd do just about anything for a guaranteed $75M.

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My impression is that the unhappiness between jimbo and the FSU boosters has a lot to do with their facilities being kinda shitty and the boosters not wanting to pony the cash for the upgrades that jimbo was agitating for. Aside from intangible 'our boosters aren't asshole' type aspects, I get the impression that 'facilities' is the one place that we are better then free shoes U.

I've been drinking.

Honestly it looks to me like Jimbo left because he got bored at FSU. Which, hey, it happens, but it's a bad look to start phoning it in when your work is visible to everyone on television.

You could also say FSU is no VT

Yes, FSU has money and history. But between heavily involved boosters and an apparent mess of an Athletic Department, its also a toxic job where you take the job with one foot already forced out the door. You don't have those problems at VT.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Boosters and expectations are shown to be lesser than the appeal of the money, prestige, and championships. Every year blue bloods hire top coaches and many of the situations are less than ideal. But it happens anyways.

I don't expect Fuente to leave right now, but I know that times have changed and very few people are loyal to a program.

Thankfully.

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How about Oregon? National Championship game appearance to stepping stone in 3 short years.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Fucking crazy, especially since they got Nike money

Psh, I'm still not going to be comfortable that Fuente isn't leaving this offseason until I see which sideline he walks out on come Labor Day /s

Fuente leads FSU out of the tunnel in the ultimate face-heel turn.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Don't think Fuente wants to go to a school with this kind of administration.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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This doesn't absolve Jimbo of anything though. Of course he is gonna say the administration was holding him back. I'm sure there is another side to the conflict that pushed Jimbo to leave.

There are also plenty of rumblings that Jimbo is hard to work with, I'm sure there's plenty of blame to go around.

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Agreed, all this tells me is that there must be much more to the story. FSU is a premier program, they were gonna keep up in facilities no matter who is at the helm.

I'm sure both sides had their grievances, but this must have been mutual. Also, AFAIK Jimbo wasn't exactly pushed out of this position by the administration.

#sauces

Jimbo started the negotiation process with aTm before this season started. Their boosters were already name dropping him after the UCLA choke. If aTm was available last offseason, he probably would have left then.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

What source reported that?

Houston Chronicle

Name surfaced early

About the same time, A&M blew a 34-point lead at UCLA in the season opener, and days after an A&M source told the Chronicle to "remember the name Jimbo Fisher."

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Well, considering this was reported after the fact doesn't lend much credence to me. I'm sure it's possible and if it is then there really isn't much the FSU administration did wrong here.

It wasn't reported after the fact, I remember that rumor going around earlier this season. I want to say it was discussed in here, but I believe I remember at least seeing it on Reddit.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

From the other thread...

From the UVA troll on my Pro Team's board... Looks like A&M got this done before the season even started...

Interestingly enough
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There's a guy who posts at the UVA board I go to who has a LOT of inside info on the backroom dealings of big-time college football, particularly with Texas schools and the rest of the old SWC. I don't know exactly what his background is (some on the board do but they don't make it public knowledge) but I'm pretty sure he worked high up in the athletic department of one or more of those schools. His credibility has been proven time and time again - he's legit. Anyway, he's said for a while that the basic framework of the deal was worked out before the season but that it took a while for the details to get hammered out because of the, um, creative accounting at the A&M athletic department.

Maybe he has some #Sauces

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There's a guy who posts at the UVA board I go to who has a LOT of inside info on the backroom dealings of big-time college football...

I call BS. What does a UVA fan know about football?

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Someone in the Jimbo thread confirmed they knew the specific Sabre poster as legit. The poster works in an Athletic Department in Texas somewhere and has a bunch of tie-ins and is very respected.

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Can someone please ask this high ranking, double secret probation football knowledge man how the hell he reads that message board without burning his eyeballs out?

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Hmmmm probably a bagman for collegiate wine tasting...

Wasn't there a report that he had a strong relationship with A&M's AD. Had worked for him before.

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I wouldn't read into that statement too much.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Fuente's statement yesterday translated:

"I love Virginia Tech: the players, the fans, my staff, and my amazing AD. The situation here is fantastic, my family and girls love Blacksburg, and I would be stupid to consider placing my head on a chopping block elsewhere."

PLEASE can we stop worrying. He's staying in Blacksburg.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

I don't worry because at the end of the day it is what it is. With that said, nearly every coach that bolts can be quoted something similar days before. Unless he is interviewing, the initial contact would be with the agent anyway. So, I don't believe Fuente is leaving, but not just because he said so.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

Insert Morgan Freeman "He's right ya know" GIF.

(On an airplane currently so I can't embed actual GIF)

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Yes and no. Most would stick with the typical coach-speak. Something along the lines of, "My focus right now is on our team and preparing for a bowl." If Fuente said that, I'd be really worried. However, he straight up said that he's declined to talk to anyone about pursuing any other opportunities and likes the situation he has at Virginia Tech. If you say that first statement and then leave, you're just a liar - obviously you've been pretty heavily involved in talking to others. So yes in the context of other coaches and their statements but no in the context of how Fuente phrased his statement.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

More money doesn't equate to a better job! Quality of life is very important to Fuente and if his wife and kids are happy in Blacksburg, he's happy.

Happy wife, happy life.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Happy wife, happy life.

No

Where is Lawson?!

wife, happy life.

Wife happy, life.

I just read this, and now I'm over here like

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

As Jeff Foxworthy put it- "if she ain't happy, you ain't happy. And if she's unhappy long enough, she'll be happy with half your stuff!".

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"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

FREE THE "STICK IT IN" CHANT!!!

Jimbo also seemed to not want to make coaching changes and FSU Booster program was willing to hold back $ until Jimbo made these changes. The more I hear about FSU Boosters and how the AD was in on it all seems like FSU is and will be a toxic mess for whoever is coaching .

Yes A&M boosters are super involved but on a different level...

Is it possible that Fuente is heading off to Wichita State to restart their football program???

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

You're supposed to check if his christmas tree was tossed in his yard!

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But what if his kids were being little shits and wouldn't stop fighting and he had just had enough so he decided to cancel christmas? /s (Also I know his daughters and family to be nothing but wonderful people.)

I'm no football coach, but I'm a competitor... and "I'm man (I'm 30!)", but in my experiences of this thing called life, I've grown to realize that money isn't everything and a successful plan with good people around you is hard to find and typically leads to success.

Fuente is not necessarily hurting for (Robert) Di Nero, he's got a great AD in Babcock, VT sports is on the up and up which I hope translates to more interest from higher level recruits, he gets a great crowd atmosphere weekly, and he's not far from reaching that point of being a close to annual competitor for one of the top 4 spots.

While some coaches have appeared to be concerned with only the $$$, I'm hopeful that my philosophy applies to even some of the high profile coaches that exist in the realm of CFB. Maybe Fuente is one of those guys that can take a step back and say "I've gotta good thing, why mess it up"

I believe and hop he stays for quite some time, but I don't think he makes or breaks our program. Our program has reached a place where we can find a formidable suitor if he ever decided to go. As long as he's not scheisty about it.

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Go Hokies!

I'll add that when replacing a living legend that is still entrenched in the community (Beamer) you don't want some hot shot guy that's going to chase anything and everything. Stability is one of the selling points for VT and I have faith that Whitt didn't get a guy that going t jump ship at first (or even second) whim. JF is in it for the long haul.

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The other thing I'd point out is that while we freak out about this a lot, this offseason is a bit of an anomaly, and it's actually very rare for a sitting Head Coach of a Power 5 team to leave for another Power 5 job. Only 4 of the 65 current Power 5 Head Coaches were hired while a HC at another Power 5 school. The overwhelming majority were either a P5 assistant coach, a G5 HC or unemployed at the time they were hired.

Of the four, three were clear job upgrades and also had personal factors at play:

  • Paul Chryst (Pitt to Wisconsin) - Is Wisconsin alumnus & previously spent 8 years on staff as an assistant
  • James Franklin (Vanderbilt to Penn State) - grew up & played college ball in PA
  • Dan Mullen (Mississippi State to Florida) - previously spent 4 years on staff as an assistant coach
  • Jimbo Fisher (FSU to Texas A&M)

Taggert could become the 5th out of 65. You could argue whether FSU is a step up from Oregon or not, but the state of Florida is home for him.

With that in mind, I agree with the sentiment there are only a few jobs in the country, that I'd even begin worrying about being attractive to Fuente if they opened.

Good job, I didn't realize there were so few.

The three that were surprising was Beilema to Arkansas, Riley to Nebraska and Andersen to Oregon State. Two of those were Wisky jobs and were blamed on Barry Alvarez being too heavy handed as AD. The other was a guy leaving Oregon State, which is probably never a bad idea.

But, notably I guess, Bielema/Anderson/Riley all failed.

Glad to see this thread is still focused on Fuente leaving for FSU......

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

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Now who does Oregon get this late in the game?

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Okay, hear me out.

Lane Kiffin.

This thing goes full perfect storm.... Chip Kelly backs out of the UCLA job to end up back at Oregon.

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That'd be crazy if it happened.

From the rumblings I've heard though, Chip was butting heads with Uncle Phil at the end of his time there. Plus, even with Nike money I bet it's probably easier to get kids to come to Los Angeles than Eugene - not to mention the talent level is better in your backyard.

For those not aware, UCLA just opened a brand-new football facility before this season. It was one of the biggest drawbacks of the job before, but now they have great facilities on-campus compared to when Chip was last coaching college football.

Yep they built that new football facility on top of women's sports field and then basically told the women's teams to fuck off. It's a great Title 9 case.
Sorry it was UC Berkley

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I've not seen anything about that. Has there been a news article about it? Haven't been able to find anything so far suggesting such an outcry about it... I'd be interested in reading about it.

I know that they used to have two full practice fields (one of which was built on a bridge over a road running through campus, no less) and now that the football building has been constructed, they have two 70-yard fields.

Going on Google Earth shows that both full fields were painted with football lines as recently as 2014. I'm sure that they were used by all the teams in the athletic department, but there's very little to suggest that it wasn't mostly used for football.

My bad bad it was actually UC Berkeley.

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Pulling that at UC Berkeley is begging for trouble.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Ah, gotcha.

Outside of the potential Title IX issues there, Cal's got other issues, like their athletics department is in a huge financial predicament. Their stadium renovation (which required EARTHQUAKE-PROOFING, because of course it did) has more or less sunk their entire department.

not to mention the talent level is better in your backyard

I don't know.....that's a tough call.....

Or were you talking football players......

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Qualified?

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Absolutely.

USCwest is in UCLA's back yard...just sayin

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True....that makes it even tougher.....

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Those white sweaters always got me. And I hate USC.

Gotta be tough for that trumpet section to concentrate. I'm sure there were some missed notes in that segment.

The sunglasses are totally blacked out. It's the only way.

They "lip sync" the trumpet parts, duh.

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Ah, those Song Girls....

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

I think I'd take Oregon for this... Though I'm having a tough time deciding whether it's because of quality or quantity...

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"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

FREE THE "STICK IT IN" CHANT!!!

"Quantity has a quality all its own." - Stalin, I think?

Yea, but they lost Bill Roth.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

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I like Fedora right where he is. Venables, on the other hand, should go as far away as possible.

He recruits really well including a lot of VA kids. For example in the Coastal he has 3 of the top 20 rated kids.

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Is Taggert really that good? Haven't really been impressed with Oregon's play since Chip Kelly left. I know its not all on Taggert, but I don't think they've really been tearing it up.

To say switching the guy who won you your last National Championship after inheriting a .500 program for a guy who appears to be outclassed by the likes of Washington State is this huge win seems to be a bit of an exaggeration.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Taggart inherited a mess at Oregon after they went 4-8 last year under Helfrich (especially on defense, where they were one of the worst teams in all of FBS, not just the P5).

It was always going to be a bit of a rebuilding job, and he got them back to a bowl game in Year 1. Also, Washington State was pretty good this year, even if they did lose some games they shouldn't have (but that describes pretty much all of the PAC-12 this year). I don't think it's fair to hold that over Taggart, especially considering Mike Leach has had time to get that Washington State program up and running his system.

I was going to say something similar. I think Taggart is a good hire and will do well at FSU but they had a coach who won a national championship, made a CFB playoff appearance, and won two orange bowls in 8 years.

Nebraska was able to lure Scott Frost back to be their coach in a year when the head coaching job opened up at Florida, Florida State, Tennessee, and loads of other major programs. They won big time.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinsku, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

You're trading a guy who has proven he knows how to recruit and win at an elite level with a guy who hasn't proven anything, and this is a win?

Oregon finished the year 7-5 (4-5 in P12 play), and 4th in the P12 North. They got housed by every good team they played (33-10 to Wazzu, 49-7 to Stanford, 31-14 to UCLA, and 38-3 to Washington). Look, I'm sure Taggart is a good coach, but I certainly wouldn't say he made this unbelievable turnaround. They just played easier teams.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

This is a good thing for our opening game against them next year!

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Taggart's reputation was earned in building WKU and rebuilding USF. He only had a year at Oregon....but they are currently 6th in recruiting on 247.

Meh. I think Jimbo might be a bit overrated as a coach. His win totals having been steadily dropping, despite having top 5 recruiting classes like every year. He had no backup QB prepared enough to play this year. He had a nice run in there, but I think he has regressed back to the mean.

I know that Taggart is one of the up-and-comers (he reminds me a bit of Charlie Strong with his attitude and work ethic) and inherited an Oregon program in disarray, but here's his all-time collegiate head coaching record:

2010 (WKU): 2-10
2011 (WKU): 7-5
2012 (WKU): 7-5

2013 (USF): 2-10
2014 (USF): 4-8
2015 (USF): 8-5
2016 (USF): 10-2

2017 (Oregon): 7-5

TOTAL: 47-50 (0.485)

Again, the total W/L doesn't paint the full picture considering what he inherited in those programs, but not exactly a super impressive resume based on his coaching record.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

WKU was 2-22 the two seasons before Taggart arrived. USF was 8-16 the two seasons before Taggart arrived.

Not to mention Fuente's team smacked his all around when they Memphis and USF played

Is Taggert really that good? Haven't really been impressed with Oregon's play since Chip Kelly left. I know its not all on Taggert, but I don't think they've really been tearing it up.

Yes, he is that good. Oregon is 5-1 with their starting QB, 2-4 without him. That said, Taggert is known for stripping programs down and rebuilding them from scratch. This is (was?) his smallest rebuild yet.

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Oregon is 5-1 with their starting QB

Wins over Southern Utah, Nebraska, Wyoming, Arizona, and Oregon State
Loss to Arizona State

2-4 without him

Wins over California and Utah
Losses to Washington State, Stanford, UCLA, and Washington

Had less to do with the QB going out and more to do with the quality of opponent.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Arizona is decent this year, and Arizona State turned it around in the second half of the season. But yes, can't ignore the quality of opponent.

I still think Willie Taggart is a great coach - his previous success speaks for itself.

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He's only been there one year. And they immediately improved to 7-5, 4 of those losses coming with an injured qb. He performed total rebuilding jobs at Western Kentucky and South Florida and turned both into top-notch programs. He's won big everywhere he's gone and done the hardest thing in coaching, turning around a moribund program. Plus he recruits Florida better than almost anyone in the country. This is a very good hire.

I live in Tampa and was good friends with one of USF's wide receivers while Taggart was coaching there. He told me Taggart has really limited knowledge of X's and O's and gives all of that over to the coordinators. He was surprised by how little Taggart's involvement was.

From what he told me, Taggart is more of a charismatic/motivational speaker for the players which I am sure translates well into recruiting.

Take that as you will.

Works for Dabo

(Insert dumbfounded looking at stuffed tiger gif)

LeBatard made a great point yesterday: Taggart is going to be accused of recruiting for three schools in the last 12-months....and it's going to be legal.

We put the K in Kwality

Man, that sucks for Oregon. I've always liked the ducks just because they're fun to watch and really revolutionized the game. I thought Willie was a great hire for them.

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Yeah, Jimbo will spend stupid money at aTm, recruit stupid talent... and still micromanage the offense, still have his QB's head spinning, and still lose to Saban. He may have a natty, but I've always suspected he might be a bit over-rated as an HC.

If the O/U on his tenure there is 4, I'm seriously considering taking the under.

and still micromanage the offense, still have his QB's head spinning

This is Jimbo's biggest weakness. Nearly every time FSU had a drive that didn't result in a touchdown you'd see Jimbo in his QB's ear on the sideline.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Isn't Jimbo guaranteed $75 million? If he is, I'm definitely taking the over.

Taggert is to Taggart what Fuentes is to Fuente

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Are you talking about our head coach, Jason Fuentos?

*Fuentezz

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

*Foo-wentay

Sometimes I like to leave off the /s just to mess with people.

*tosses turkey leg*

You get a little Tubby when you're hungry

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I think you meant Jose Fritos

Semper Fi

Willy and ....

Qualified.

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I keep hearing that Taggart is a great recruiter, which isn't necessarily backed up by the data:

2010 Western KY no data
2011 Western KY 79th
2012 Western KY 96th
2013 USF 50th
2014 USF 43rd
2015 USF 64th
2016 USF 64th
2017 Oregon 18th

Now, its difficult to judge him on those rankings because it's Western KY and USF so I'll give the 'experts' the benefit of the doubt.

Assuming they're right, I don't love the fact that a young coach from Florida with 3 years of head coaching experience in state under his belt will be taking over at FSU. He'll limit our opportunities to steal recruits from Florida and (presumably) continue to snag guys from our backyard.

He went from 2-10 to 7-5 at WKU, 2-10 to 8-5 and 10-2 a few years later at USF and got the gig at Oregon. He's not Nick Saban but I don't see this as a laughably bad Herm Edwards-esque hire either.

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Those are good recruiting classes for G5 schools. He got a top 20 class at Oregon (who doesn't recruit all that well) in only a couple months on the job (recall Fuente was around 40 his first class, most new coaches are), and he currently has committed to Oregon the best class they've ever had.

Yeah I don't disagree, I'm not sure how to judge his recruiting because of the fact that he's been at G5 schools and Oregon is also such a unique situation with their Nike money. I was kind of looking for a big jump in recruiting rankings over his tenures (not that any of them were particularly long) and barring that I felt like the numbers didn't support it per se -- but I assume that since just about every single CFB writer has said he's a really, really good recruiter that they're not all just pulling it out of their collective asses.

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Keep in mind there are 65 Power 5 schools. If you're finishing above that line, at a G5 school you're doing pretty well. Getting the #18 class in your first year at a school is very impressive. Your schedule is so compressed that you have very little time to hold a class together/pick-up new recruits.

There are few guarantees in sports, so I'm not ready to say he's going to win multiple national championships, but I think this is a really good hire for them. I'll be very surprised if he flames out.

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That has to be a Coldplay concert.

“I turned down 12 other opportunities. You know what I mean?” - Fuente

...or Primus.

haha +1

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Oregon had reportedly offered Taggart a little more than $20 million over five years to stay, but he's on the move back to the Sunshine State.

Damn.

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There is no state income tax in Florida. In Oregon it climbs pretty quickly to 10% (progressive income levels) if my memory serves correct. That's got to factor in to these things at least a little bit, or is that just me.

depends on how libertarian the individual is, I would guess.

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It may factor in from a political/philosophical perspective for some coaches but I was just talking about the monetary/compensation aspect.

I wouldn't think it would ever make or break a deal but I always wonder to what degree those details factor in to these situations. And that is a quantitative consideration which isn't as difficult as the qualitative ones.

Yea. I know it mattered to Max Scherzer. He worked it out so that he could claim FL as his home, since there is some DC loophole (designed for Congress), where they can pay the state taxes of the home they claim and DC cannot enforce a commuter tax (i.e., forcing people who earn money in state, pay taxes to that state). It was highlighted in a lot of articles, like Forbes.

Yea, so I'm sure coaches make decisions too. But, Idk, seems like a libertarian idea to think you should select your state based on how you'll be taxed. I'm guessing others have a more socialistic viewpoint, and appreciate social programs, like those provided by California, New York, etc. Just depends, I guess.

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This thread is skirting a line, but I think it's just a math equation. Even the most hard line version of libertarianism would have taxes. People like to see big numbers on their paycheck, and often don't dig far enough to find the actual cost of living somewhere. States with no income tax still make the same amount of money, they just do it in different ways (ie Florida's high sales tax vs Oregon's zero sales tax). In the long run career opportunities and trajectory are going to be worth way more than how your tax bill is calculated, I think most coaches get that.

Yeah. When you get to theory the line between philosophy and politics gets blurred. I am assuming the goal of the guidelines is to maintain civility and impartiality. I think you are generally safe in describing, hypothetically, how a persons philosophy may affect their decisions if in doing so there is no clear bias and certainly no judgement on the "correctness" of those decisions. It's a fine line no doubt.

People generally consider the net salary when comparing two jobs in different locations.

I've NEVER heard someone comparing two jobs say "I'd make less there because of taxes, but at least it's going to a good cause."

So that makes the comment patently political?

Regardless, I know people who think that way about where they live. The conversation looks like this:

Me: "Wow! You taxes are high! Doesn't that bother you?"

Them: "No. Those taxes go to... "

Me: "Okay."

I'm guessing that coaches can be like the rest of us in that there is a spectrum of what they believe. Some may believe that x y or z's tax situation contributes to some form of goodness and they like that.

I have a friend who stayed in Wyoming making what he made, even when offered a better paying job because of this. He calculated how much he would take home, and how long it would take to pay off loans to become debt free between the locations and said, "Nope, I'm fine where I'm at."

Perhaps I've lived in California too long, but I just had a conversation like this with some people I know. There are definitely people who think gov't programs are good and that paying taxes to support those programs are good.

I know a significant amount that people are looking at a bottom line and considering net money taken in after taxes. I know a significant other amount of people that consider why they're being taxed more in one state verses another.

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Plenty of people consider taxation (and other comparable costs of living) when comparing their income in different locations. It can be a significant factor.

It's one reason people retire to Florida (along with sunshine and low cost of living), and they're not all libertarians.

The idea of choosing lower income taxes in order to have a higher net income is patently libertarian. Libertarianism can be defined as less gov't, less taxes, more independence on how an individual runs her life. Thus, choosing to keep one's own money to control and to use as she chooses, is libertarian.

Whether anyone wants to admit that it's a libertarian idea is inconsequential. Furthermore, people who share this idea are not necessarily libertarian, but merely believe one libertarian principle (perhaps unwittingly).

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seems like a libertarian idea to think you should select your state based on how you'll be taxed.

I'm not sure how you think calculating your take home pay is part of one's political ideology. It's no different than calculating cost of living expenses before moving. 100k in San Fran is different than 100k in Blacksburg. 100k taxed at 10% is different than 100k taxed at 0%.

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Let's make this real simple. It costs X to run a state government. It does not matter how they tax you. They will get theirs.

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Exactly, it costs X to run a government.
They will tax you X, plus Y just for good measure.
They will spend X, Y and Z, just because.

Neither right nor left matters, you will get it right in the Middle!

select your state based on how you'll be taxed.

calculating your take home pay is part of one's political ideology

I said how one would be taxed, not how much one takes home. Taxation is one aspect of that equation. Further, choosing a state based on how you're taxed is inherently a political principle (not necessarily an entire ideology).

Virtually everyone has some libertarian principles they believe in, such as the belief your private property should be yours and private, and not be infringed upon by the gov't and/or public. Likewise, choosing to have your earned money to be taxed less is inherently a libertarian principle.

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One thing I have learned as a civil engineer is that most people believe they should be able to do whatever they want on their property but have a different opinion of what their neighbor should be allowed to do on their own property.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

There's no sales tax in Oregon though

I think with Taggart, it's more that the state of Florida is home for him. That's where he grew up, so I can imagine that coming home to one of the major P5 jobs in the state has a lot of pull for him.

This is why FSU is a tempting gig, because just the name appeal of the school can lure high end recruits, I love VT, and I hope that will be us one day, but FSU is still a factor in recruiting, no matter how much we try to convince ourselves otherwise, and because of that, I was holding my breath till they filled the coaching vacancy, no matter what Fuente said, I wanted to trust him wholeheartedly, but my common sense wouldn't allow me to.

This seems like a slam dunk. Thompson committed to Taggart at Oregon despite his father wanting him to choose Florida State. FSU was the runner-up, and Thompson flirted with the idea of taking an official visit to Tallahassee before the coaching change took place. With Taggart now in place at the in-state school, it stands to reason that Thompson, a Rivasl100 prospect, will rethink his commitment

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"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Sheesh that's a long sentence

Gotta love the grammar police... #Petty

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

I mean you had to try to make it that bad right?

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

Too soon!

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Looks like Pitt is extending Narduzzi for 7 years.

7 more years of hate, yall.

And...because I know it'll be said...

Fuck Pat Narduzzi

I think Pitt is just happy to not have a coach run off quickly to a better job.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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That would be my guess, as well. From browsing r/cfb I've learned that the last time Pitt had a coach stick around for 4 years was back in 2010. Their program could use the stability.

I'm not sure i would define Narduzzi as stable - but I get what you are saying.

After watching how easily Mason Rudolph carved up Pitt this year, this makes me happy. The Nard-dog is in way over his head at this level. They will regret this.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

There's a good chance Rudolph's gonna carve up our secondary too

Just like he carved up Texas? Dude is good but he isn't Aaron Rodgers. They'll get their points but they won't drop 59 on us.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

He may score a few, but I am willing to bet the house he doesn't have 6 TDs in his first 6 possessions of the game like he did against Nardouche

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

When UT tried to hire a hot head like Schiano, then Pitt Admin had to believe Narduzzi's agent when he said they wanted to hire the ol' Nardz.
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Wow, I'm shellshocked. I clearly don't key play enough anymore. I didn't know comments actually went plaid now! Thought we were still in the meme phase of that

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Yeah blew me away too, and I TKP way more than a healthy person should. Just sort of snuck up on me.

It's the effects from UT's dumpster fire on the CFB landscape. So many people have benefited from it this early into the offseason and it hasn't even got here. Most unusual for the effects of a fire to be good, maybe Tenn should keep it stoked and going :)

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"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

2 Recruits already coming out saying that "Willey" lied straight face to them and their families just last week. He will fit well at fsu.

Where is Lawson?!

It's pretty standard when the coach is in the middle of transfer offer. They can't very well tell the recruits (and families) that you might be/are switching schools, because they'll immediately tweet it to the interwebs.

Things coaches say between when an offer goes public and it gets accepted or rejected go into the "Let's just see what happens" file.

The only exception would be if they gather the entire team and reassure them that they're staying, or make a definitive statement in public. That would be pretty sacrosanct. Taggart's statements in public were pretty coy on the matter.