NFL Scouts Draft Profile of VT Players Coming Out

So there is a 40 year old scout that visits my Pro teams forum. Here are his notes about our players. I am waiting on his scouting report on Teller, as he made no mention of him in these blurbs

Oh boy, Tech has two brothers coming out this year, both sons of former NFL TE Ferrell Edmunds. I seriously doubt that he lasts until Round Two.

I'm hearing that massive nose guard Tim Settle might come out & they have a Samoan MLB that is freaking a crazy hitter. One guy I am keeping tabs on is the next Antonio Brown- a late round WR that will make a GM curse not taking him earlier - Cam Phillips.

EDMUNDS, Fe'Zahn Tremaine
Virginia Tech
6:04.6 236
Bench Press Squat Power Clean Vertical Jump
225x24 530 340 32 ½"
Broad Jump
Time (10) Time (20) Time (40)
1.65 2.66 4.74
Arm Length Hands Wingspan 20-Yd Shuttle
34 1/8" 9 5/8" 77 ¼" 4.15
Three Cone
2017 Best Games
Delaware, East Carolina, Old Dominion, Clemson,
2017 Worst Games
West Virginia,
2016 Best Games
Boston College, East Carolina, North Carolina, Syracuse, Miami, Duke, Georgia Tech, Arkansas
2016 Worst Games
Tennessee, Pittsburgh, Clemson

Body Structure
Edmunds has a well-proportioned frame with an athletic physique that can actually carry at least another ten pounds of bulk without the weight impacting his overall quickness. He has very good upper body muscle definition, tight waist and hips, along with a strong lower body, evident by the way he can firmly hold ground and drive back lead blockers to attack the rush lanes consistently. He has long arms, big hands and a good-sized bubble and good shoulder and neck thickness.

Athletic Ability
Edmunds has adequate timed speed, but very good quickness and agility to string plays wide and displays the body control and balance to escape multiple blockers and impact the rush lanes. Last season, he made 22 plays for losses (solos/assists) and nine others that stopped ball carriers at the line of scrimmage for no gain. Thanks to his change of direction agility, he has excellent tools to line up at strong-side linebacker in a 3-4 defensive alignment, as he shows the low pad level and burst coming off the edge and the leg drive to shoot the gaps. He generates a quick first step and and is very active working down the line. He has fluid hip flexibility and movement coming off the snap and valid strength and good knee bend. He is effective extending his long arms to keep blockers off his chest and comes out of his breaks cleanly to make plays in the short-to-intermediate passing game. He is not quick enough to handle receivers on deep routes, but in the second level, he is quite effective using his strong hands to reroute/jam tight ends, backs and slot receivers working underneath.

Football Sense
Edmunds is a highly intelligent and instinctive player, but not the type that will "out-think" himself on the field. He is a quick reactor to action in front of him and easily picks things up well, showing no problem taking plays from the chalkboard to the playing field. There should be no issues with him digesting a complicated playbook. He is simply a smart, instinctive player who does everything the coaches ask and more. He is reliable, works hard in the weight room and is a self-starter. He takes well to hard coaching and is the unquestioned leader of the defensive unit. He reads the quarterback well, as it is rare to see him fooled by misdirection or play action. The move to strong-side (left) linebacker has allowed him to show scouts that he is very capable of locating receivers quickly working underneath. With his natural instincts for the game, some coach will soon become comfortable letting him make the calls on defense, much like the confidence Minnesota showed in Chad Greenway earlier in his pro career. He is quick to adjust on the field and always plays at full speed.

Everyone in the program – coaches, administrators and teammates – all call Edmunds a great character type and focused leader by example. Yes, he does play with high aggression, but is also quick to help mentor the younger players, sort of a "pay it forward" that coach Justin Fuente has instilled in his players. He comes from great family support, as his father, Ferrell, was a standout tight end in the NFL and he has a set of brothers with college football experience – most at the same university. He has no known off-field issues and is the consummate team captain type – never caring about his own success, just that of the team.

Edmunds brings great energy to the locker room and huddle (some joke that he takes on a "screws loose" persona on the field and during his prep days. Saturdays are like a "drug" to him, as he always plays at full speed. He is his own worst critic, as he never gets complacent, but he also knows when he has to step forward as a leader to pick up the team. He gives 110% on every snap, doing the same in practices. Because of his ability to instantly recognize the play developing, it might appear to some that it is "easy" for him, yet, anyone on the staff will tell you that winning at all costs is his "mental tattoo."

Work Habits
Edmunds is a hard worker in practices, carrying that ethic over to the game. He has embraced the weight room regimen and knows that hard work there will help him add the needed bulk and power scouts feel that he still needs to develop. He is a self-starter and leader by example. He lacks ideal bulk to be a classic NFL defensive end, but shows the flexibility and balance to gain leverage in his play. He represents the team well on and off the field and you need to hide his helmet to keep him out of the game.

Athletic Report
Key and Diagnostic Skills
This is Edmunds' best asset, as he always seems to be in position to make the play. He is outstanding with his diagnostic ability and when he locates the ball, all regard for his own safety "goes out the window" in his quest to make the play. He is disciplined in run containment (see 2016 Boston College, East Carolina, Miami, Georgia Tech games) and charges hard coming off the edge to disrupt the pocket. He comes off the snap with a good, strong rise and is very forceful using his hands to shed when engaging the lead blocker. He is very intuitive, quick to read and react, especially on action in front of him. He might not be quick enough to be utilized in deep pass coverage, but he is always around the football when he keeps the action in front of him. He shows urgency when around the football and determination to create havoc once he gets into the backfield (is tied for the school season-record with 18.5 stops behind the line of scrimmage- see 2016 Boston College, Miami, Duke games). He will get tied up at times when challenged by much bigger blockers, but he is becoming much more comfortable using his hands and spin move to avoid, rather than take on offensive tackles when in pursuit of the quarterback. He has above average instincts coming off the snap, and keeps those hands very active to get past offensive tackles when coming off the edge.

Playing Strength and Explosion
Edmunds has good natural strength, with a strong upper body and an even stronger hand punch. He is more likely to be utilized as a strong-side linebacker in a 3-4 alignment at the pro level, as he lacks the "sand in his pants" to take on 330-pound blockers as a defensive end, but if you look at his main competition, he has fared quite well, despite being out-weighed by an average of 72 pounds vs. offensive tackles since being inserted into the starting lineup in 2016 (has a lot of Von Miller in his game, if the coaches unleash him, as expected, in 2017). He can be "caught looking" past the blocker in attempts to get to the ball, but he has the balance and loose hips to recover and get back into the play. When you first make "eye contact" with Edmunds, you might think that he would be more of a speed/space type of player, but he showed that he can handle lead blocks (see 2016 Boston College, Miami, Georgia Tech, Arkansas games) and knows how to use his hands to throw offensive linemen to the ground (has a very good hand jolt and efficient rip and swim moves). When asked to cover short area receivers, he can punch and extend vs. tight ends, as he uses those hands to leverage or reroute. He has the ability to split tackles and outstanding ability to knife down the line. He shows impressive strength at the point of attack, sqeezing and leveraging blockers well. He struggles to disengage when working in-line, but has the speed to defeat tackles coming off the edge. He plays stout, but when working around the pile, he does not have the bulk to prevent the bigger blockers from absorbing him.

Lateral Pursuit/Range
Edmunds can make plays at the opposite side of the field, but lacks the explosive burst when he is working in space. He is much better making plays moving down the line or coming off the edge, as he does play with all-out hustle, demonstrating the straight-line power and low pad level to slip through blocks and pressure the pocket or give chase in the backfield (see 2016 Boston College, Syracuse, Miami, Duke, Notre Dame games). He plays with a relentless motor and gets through traffic with active hands, above average balance and sheer determination. He has the functional lateral agility to deliver when competing with his hand down, but there are times where he can fail to generate the burst in slants and if he does get too upright in his stance, he will be washed out when a blocker is able to lock on. He has enough lateral range to avoid blockers, but has to continue to keep his hands inside his frame and active when he has to take on the offensive lineman on and shed.

Use of Hands
Edmunds has natural hands, but with just one interception to his credit, you have yet to see that high school tight end-like hands develop enough for him to be a ball thief at the next level. On hi pick, he did snatch the ball cleanly (see 2016 Arkansas game). He is quite effective using his strong hand punch to shed blocks, but it is his ability to jam/reroute receivers that will earn him success when utilized as a 3-4 strong-side linebacker at the next level. He has no problem holding up tight ends and slot receivers in the short area passing game. He is an active, fend-off type of defender that will shock-& -jolt vs. offensive linemen, as he also knows how to deliver a blow and is quick to get placement when trying to grab and jerk on the opponent's jersey. When he keeps his pads down and hands inside the framework, he can clear blocks and get to the ball regularly (see 2016 Syracuse, Miami, Georgia Tech, Duke games). Even when his pad level gets high at times, he has a very good punch and extention to defeat the blocks. He uses his hands well with good placement, but does struggle some to shed and escape at times (mostly when working in-line). He has very good rip and pull moves, along with the ability to get active with his hands when attempting to separate vs. the blockers on inside running plays.

Tackling Ability
Edmunds might be the most technically sound tackler in the 2018 NFL Draft Linebacker Class. Yes, you would like him to pile on hits and play as if his "hair is on fire," but he works well in containing the run when operating in tight areas and he is a classic wrap-up tackler – with arms inside his frame, low pad level and the skills to attack the outside leg of a ball carrier to impact the runner's forward progress after the initial hit (see 2016 Boston College, Miami, Georgia Tech games). He is not as effective maintaining balance working in space and speedy tailbacks can beat him in the open field when he takes a side rather than square up and wrap. When he hits a ball carrier, usually he will bring his man down right at the spot. He has functional body control and above average power to face up and wrap up with explosive strikes to punish. There are times when he will get too narrow with his base in space and is better off playing along the line of scrimmage. He has a punishing hand punch, but when he tries to grab-tackle rather than wrap, the quicker backs can escape his initial hit. He does show good body control making plays on the move in the short-to-intermediate areas, but he is much more effective playing in close quarters, as he seems much more decisive breaking down vs. plays in front of him. He has more than enough strength to jolt on contact. He shows solid wrap-up tackling technique and hip snap to push back lead blockers and close inside rush lanes. He just needs to work on adjusting and finishing the play when working in space.

Run Defense
While Edmunds has good ability working down the line, he does appear tight at times opening his hips when in space. He has shown steady improvement taking angles in pursuit, but this area can still use some more work. He can punch and extend vs. lead blockers and holds his ground firmly when operating at a proper pad level vs. offensive linemen. Where he has his most success is when he uses his hands to shed and then get in front of the play to wrap-tackle. He keeps his feet and can string plays out in short area pursuit, as his low pad level allows him to generally take away the cutback. But, when he gets out of control or upright in his stance, he does not have the blazing speed or sudden change of direction agility to recover. Against the inside ground game, he is much quicker attempting to fill. He is tenacious enough and active with his hands enough to defeat combo blocks or keep opponents off his chest. If he gets a quick read on the play, more often than not, he will make the tackle unblocked. He is willing to take on the lead blocker and shows good balance working inside, but when he gets high in his pads or leaves his chest exposed, an offensive lineman is quick to latch on and negate his forward progress. You can see on film that he has a lot of "Mike Vrabel" in his game, as he plays downhill going to the sidelines and is quick to turn, run and close.

Pass Defense
The Hokies scheme does not expose their linebackers to much man coverage, so most of Edmunds' success in passing situations comes from using his hands as weapons to jam or reroute receivers in the short area. He does not have the recovery skills when a receiver gets behind him, but he excels at anticipating the count and quarterback, as you will never see him bite on play action or misdirection. He has more than enough field vision and awareness to pick up tight ends, slot receivers and backs into the second level, but without great change of direction agility or flexibility in his hips, he won't get the depth with proper angle and position to take on opponents racing into the deep secondary. He is better suited in short area man coverage, but when playing the intermediate zone, he does show a feel for routes. You'd just wish he'd get more opportunities to compete for the ball in flight (just one interception and three pass break-ups in 2016). While he has yet to register many interceptions, he has the large, soft hands to reach and pluck the ball outside the framework.

Pass Rush and Blitz
Edmunds has been developing the skills and balance to be a very efficient edge rusher, as he is slippery moving past lethargic offensive tackles playing off the perimeter. He also generates very good "numbers" working in-line, as he flashes very quick hands and strong inside moves to get through the gaps and impact the pocket. He is very good at anticipating the quarterback's moves and excels when "dogging" inside. Once he gets into the backfield, it appears as if he gets quicker, doing a very nice job of flushing out and chasing down the quarterback. Where you see much better suddenness from Edmunds is with his pass rush (see 2016 East Carolina, North Carolina, Miami Duke games). He flashes enough hand usage to shoot the inside gaps, and has a nice array of moves to get an outside shoulder on a pass blocker. With his ball anticipation and short area explosiveness on the blitz, he has more than enough ability to flush and chase the quarterback down (see 2016 Boston College, Miami, Duke, Georgia Tech games).

Compares To
CARL BANKS-ex New York Giants...Both Banks and Edmunds made/make a nice living with their downhill ability, field smarts and raw power facing up to bigger blockers. Edmunds' steady play is exactly what Tech needed last year, but to truly appreciate his talent, the coaches need to "take off the chains" and let him roam the field more often, as there is not a more instinctive linebacker in the college game than this rising star. When playing close to the line of scrimmage, he demonstrates very good balance closing on the pocket. He might lack the size or bulk to be an every-down rush defensive end in a conventional defense, but is very consistent attacking the backfield and ball carriers when taking on lead blockers and impacting the rush lanes, making him an ideal fit for the flank strong-side position in a 3-4 defensive scheme.

FACYSON - I love this kid, but 2 things-opponents are scared to throw his way & he has a slew of injuries.
Hey, if you request the OL stats report on Saturday, remind me & I will send you the CB report I just did. It features production #s for;
WARD, Denzel The Ohio State
DAVIS, Carl Auburn
FACYSON, Brandon Virginia Tech
JACKSON, Joshua Iowa
OLIVER, Isaiah Colorado
McFADDEN, Travarus Florida State
NELSON, Nic Wisconsin

nflscouting : 11/30/2017 7:58 pm : link : reply
2017 Season...The cornerback suffered a right wrist injury at the end of spring drills that required surgery. Sporting a cast to protect the wrist during August camp, he was limited to reserve duty during the first two games on the schedule...Rolled his ankle on a play vs. Clemson, but returned to the game.
2016 Season...Facyson sat out spring drills while recovering from a knee sprain, having suffered the injury during off-season workouts...In the regular season finale vs. Virginia, Facyson sniffed out a pass play to Taquan Mizzell on the right side of the backfield and brought the Cavalier down for a 2-yard loss, but the cornerback's head hit the left thigh of the tailback. He needed assistance getting back up and was led off the field by the trainers, as he appeared woozy from the play, leaving an already thin Hokies secondary without their best player. He would later return to action in the third quarter, playing the rest of the game at left cornerback.
2015 Season...Facyson still dealt with left leg issues during the second part of the schedule, starting just two of his final five appearances.
2014 Season...Facyson was limited to appearances in just the team's first three games, as he sat out the final ten contests due to a stress reaction in his left leg...While preparing for the bowl season, he suffered a broken left tibia and fibula that required surgery, also keeping him on the sidelines for 2015 spring camp. Facyson had a bone graft to expedite the healing process after spring practice.
2013 Season...Facyson sat out the Duke contest due to a concussion.

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Thanks. So what round (at this point) is expected for Brandon?

Waho's suck
Uva swallows

He didn't mention a round, just the injury concerns.


Has he seen Motu play........yea not really... nope... sorry but nope nope. Don't see it happening

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Jack Crow thinks he's an automatic 1st rounder

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

Keep calm, Gobble on

Similar to Phillips comparison to Antonio Brown ..........uhh, no. Good slot / possession guy but not an over the top, burner WR1.

I think it was more in reference to him being overlooked in the draft rather than the actual skill set. Even still, you're right that that comparison may be a little generous.

Here lies It's a Stroman Jersey I Swear, surpassed in life by no one because he intercepted it.

Weird there aren't any negatives listed about Edmunds, even though he's had his share of down games this season. I really hope Facyson gets drafted, I think if he can stay healthy then he is lockdown.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Kiper has him going in the top 15 of the first round.


Wow! I really like BF31, but I never thought he'd go THAT high in the draft!

Believe he's referring to Tremaine.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

As much as I like Facyson, I don't see him going any higher than Rounds 5-7. Too many injuries, and his coverage and tackling skills seemed to have regressed, the latter possibly related to his injury woes. For Facyson, if you're in coverage, you have to keep the play in front of you a little more often, and at least make a token effort to turn back for the ball if the receiver gets past you, unless you want to be called for interference on a frequent basis, not to mention giving up big plays and reducing your chances of ever making an INT. His size for a CB is his biggest plus. I think Stroman probably has the best coverage techniques of our DBs, which is why he gets a lot of pass breakups and a fair number of INTs, plus he doesn't mind sticking his nose in aggressively for tackles. His negative is his size, but I think that's something he can overcome.

"That man was violating a city ordinance, and I was just doing my duty to enforce it." - Mike Curtis

"You boys in there smokin' rope?"-Johnny Unitas (circa 1973) to his San Diego Chargers teammates

I don't like seeing that he mentioned both Edmunds are "coming out this year" unless he means "growing into a good player this year".

Can't help but think he is waaaay too high on some of our players. I mean, we were really freaking high on Ford and Bucky all year calling them "potential first rounders" and look what happened. That said, the Edmunds brothers should probably be drafted high.

That said, the Edmunds brothers should probably be drafted high.

In the 2019 draft.

Fingers crossed. If we get Tim, Tre, and Train back we set.

I think both should probably come back for another year, there seemed to be a lot of big plays that had one of the Edmunds bros trailing a long TD. Maybe someone else slipped up and they ended up being the next closest defender, but some more game experience would go a long way for them both. I would think if they put together a solid season next year, both could end up in the first round. I think they will be a package deal, if both aren't getting drafted high, they both come back.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

I follow a lot of NFL draft guys on Twitter and the only player that I've seen enough rumors about to be concerned about them leaving is Adonis Alexander.

The tea leaves seem to indicate that Tim Settle and the Edmunds bros will return and I really hope that's true. Settle + Walker is a monster combo and I'd love to see them paired with a (hopefully) improved offense next year.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

After the year Adonis had, I think it's definitely in his own best interest to stay another year. He lacked the stats this season, plus dealt with a suspension and a couple of injuries. Next year, he'd be far and away our top CB and could really put up some numbers.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

I'd be surprised for sure, but after last years departure of Evans/Hodges I worry that someone near the program is dealing out some bad advice.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

For the record this scout thought that Evans/Hodges/Ford coming out was a huge mistake, and he was right. So I trust his thoughts on players he is giving praises too.


Yea after last year I'm refusing to take any of these experts seriously until i see the name come off the draft board and announced on stage

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

Well, that's a big write-up for someone to stay. Not many negatives and looks to be a legit 1st or 2nd round. For the rest of them (Moto excluded of course), they can all use another yr (or two in Settle's case.)

The draft has not been kind to Hokies that leave early (with Mike Vick being the exception.)

"When you're green, you're growing. When you're ripe, you rot." -Ray Kroc

The draft has not been kind to Hokies that leave early

David Wilson, Jason Worilds and Ryan Williams come to mind for guys taken in the first 2 rounds. There are probably others.

Ugh, so much bad luck in the careers of those guys too. DW4 especially.

Ryan Williams too, I honestly think he's the most talented and NFL ready RB to come through VT. Injuries man, they'll get after ya.

DHall went 6th overall didn't he?

"I'll put a quote here to distract you from my inane comment."-Me

Deangelo Hall, Kevin Jones, and Jimmy Williams all 1st round draft picks that left early

Brandon Flowers also left early and was taken early 2nd and should have been taken 1st round. Only guy drafted ahead of him that even has an argument for better career is Talib.

Jimmy Williams was taken in the early 2nd. Your point stands, though.


Go Hokies

Go Falcons

False. It's been kind much more than it hasn't been kind.

2017 Best Games

I love Tremaine and all but.... no. He looked to be responsible for the blown coverage that resulted in Clemson's first TD (60 yarder) and I can recall missed open field tackles on Bryant as well. I really can't fathom that a scout would have that pegged as one of his best games.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Every player nfl or otherwise miss tackles and assignments. Believe or not other players are on scholership or get paid too.

Of course but my point is those games wouldn't be promoted as one of a player's best games. You don't see too many highlights in recruits' HUDL reels of blown assignments or missed tackles.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I see some decent analysis combined with a decent amount of BS in this scouting report.

Here are his credentials if you want to read them over. He has been doing this for 40 years, so I don't know why he would fluff anything.

Dave-Te' Thomas


People with credentials have been known to supplement what they know with BS. I see it all of the time in my line of work.

As I said, some decent analysis mixed in with a decent amount of BS.

And for what it's worth, I see little in his credentials which indicates he's ever been directly responsible for player analysis. It looks to me like he has a computer with an internet connection and a webpage, knows how to use Microsoft Office, and has done some statistical anaysis and prep.

This whole page is proof positive that I have no clue what NFL scouts look for in their athletes. Cam's great, but he isn't the next AB. Motu is a fab college LB, but will be lucky to get on a pro field outside of ST.

"You know when the Hokies say 'We are Virginia Tech' they're going to mean it."- Lee Corso

I regard this scouting analysis as suspect at best. Tremaine didn't play "left linebacker"- he played to the boundary regardless of what side it was on, on every defensive snap he was on the field this season. He struggled in coverage and was frozen several times on option and play action. I think he isn't naturally instinctive when he diagnoses the play. HOWEVER, once he does, he does an excellent job of quickly reacting and closing space. He is a terrific tackler when he is attacking. He is much more tentative when a ball carrier is getting down hill on him (see the missed tackle on Grier vs WVU which immediately comes to mind.) He improved significantly over the last couple of games.

I think what makes Tremaine most attractive to scouts is his ability to play with the correct leverage when fitting in holes. He does a great job of taking on blockers with the correct shoulder, shedding, and making tackles.

The key part to his draft status will be how NFL scouts feel his skillset will translate. If they see him as a 3-4 strongside OLB, his pass coverage issues (good in man, not so good when dropping into zone coverage- tendency to stay way too shallow looking at the QB) will lower his Q rating. If they see him as a 3-4 weakside OLB, did he show enough as a natural leverage pass rusher to justify (Bud didn't use him in that role much- instead he liked to bring Tremaine on delays) using a top pick. 4-3 OLBs don't have nearly the same draft value. I don't think Tremaine is a 4-3 inside LB. He could be a 3-4 ILB, but again, 3-4 ILB isn't a high value draft position (kind of like strong safety on defense or running back on offense.)

I don't begrudge Tremaine going to the NFL. I think he is an NFL-caliber talent, and could be a star because he brings that unique length and speed to the table. Also, I don't know if another year in Bud's defense clears up any of those questions, unless Bud uses him more as a stand-up situational pass rusher off the edge (which I doubt given than all those red-shirt freshmen DEs will be fighting for PT next year.) At the same time, there are a ton of factors beyond things that Tremaine can control (team needs, how he is seen to fit within scheme, his age-Tremaine is really young for a draft eligible guy) that may cause him to drop out of top round money.

Settle is a different case entirely. I think Big Tim can predictably identify exactly where he will be in the NFL, a 4-3 3 technique (I have said all year, he isn't a nose tackle and unless he blows up in a bad way, he never will be.) I think Tim answered questions about his stamina (outside of the GT game, Tim was playing well over 90% of the snaps, was their best pass rushing DT, and was beating double teams.) NFL scouts will look at upside, and Tim has plenty. That said, this is a really strong defensive tackle class, and 2 gap DTs will have more value than a 1 gap DT like Tim. He is a tough call. From a Hokie perspective, I think Tim would be a much bigger loss, although both would be almost impossible to replace.

Facyson- I don't know if he will get drafted. He wasn't targeted much, but it is clear he was laboring from the chronic effects of all his injuries. He didn't look anything like the explosive freshman we saw. Maybe he goes to the NFL (Kyshoen Jarrett was getting some starting time as a corner if I remember right, and Brandon was a better cover guy), but I will sleep well knowing he has a bright future in the medical profession if the NFL doesn't work out.

Cam Phillips- I think he can be be a very productive NFL receiver (he reminds me of a Bucky Brooks type of intermediate receiver.) I don't think he is a vertical threat at the next level, and the Antonio Brown comparison is nuts. Brown gets doubled regularly, and Phillips struggled to get open for touches as teams started to double him. While Phillips won some key 50/50 balls, he isn't a guy who will get targeted on those passes at the next level. He will be a really good fit in a west-coast offensive system. He will need to improve at his blocking and his timing running out-breaking routes.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

He called him a Strong Side (left) Linebacker. Not just a "left linebacker". In buds scheme I fairly positive that's the striker.


Tremaine plays the backer- which is always to the boundary, regardless of formation strength or the side where the boundary is. If you watch the film, I can bet you that you can't find a single snap all year where Edmunds isn't to the boundary side. Teams 20 years ago had a tendency to align their strong side and run into the boundary, but that trend has largely gone away (which is a big reason VT doesn't use a boundary and field defensive end like they did in the mid-2000's.)

Between that miss, saying Tremaine was good in coverage (he is solid in man to man, but is not good in zone), and calling Cam Phillips projection to be "Antonio Brown," I struggle to believe that this evaluator has done anything more than read magazine clippings and stat sheets. I don't claim to be an NFL scout, but I think I have a good set of eyes and his report sounds like something a fan who watches the game but doesn't understand the game would write.

My opinion...

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

From the link to the scouts credentials above:

Dave-Te' runs a scouting information service called NFL Scouting Services and produces THE NFL Draft Report, a publication provided by league headquarters to the media in preparation for the NFL Draft.


Again, none of that is indicative that he has
A) actually watched a game
B) is taken seriously by anyone who actually makes draft decisions
C) is doing anything more than writing fluff that gets distributed to talking heads who then espouse things they clearly don't fully understand.

We have watched enough football to know that a bunch of what gets said as part of any kind of speculative preview on future seasons, draft, etc, is fluff and doesn't align with what actually happens on the field. How many football players get lauded as being terrific by the TV guys prior to a game (based entirely off what coaches have told them during prep meetings during the week) and then said player doesn't piss a drop?

The eyes don't lie. If an actual scout/GM uses this assessment to make decisions, they will be sitting in the crowd before very long.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

I mean just read the guys credentials from the link above. I think your just roasting him for absolutely no reason, and probably not looking at his credentials which I will put a new link for you here Dave-TE and quote below. The guy has been doing scouting reports for the NFL for 40 years.

I respect your opinion French, but I don't get the need to roast him, especially after I specifically asked him about our players chances of being drafted last year, and he basically laughed at me and told me none of them would be drafted, which is documented in a thread on TKP, and no one could fathom Ford, Hodges, and Evans not being taken.

Dave-Te' Thomas is a sports writer, talent evaluator and scouting personnel consultant for a majority of teams in the National Football League. Thomas also coordinates scouting services for Major League Baseball, National Hockey League and National Basketball Association organizations.
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I'm with you on this one. I trust those credentials

Recruit Prosim

Credentials are one thing - and they may be legit. But having watched every game pretty closely, this guy's analysis is WAY off. Again, not saying he is not a legit analyst. His assessment is pretty poor of our guys, with the clincher being CAM similar to Brown. The Hype train just went elon musk teleportation device.

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

I'm not discounting his scouting report or his credentials, but he has to scout a ton of players across the country. French almost exclusively scouts/analyzes VT. I'd be willing to bet French has watched way more film on these players than this guy.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

Exactly. Those evals tell me he hasn't watched much. Most of those guys (ala Kiper) get just enough intel to publish their book, sell them, and then everyone forgets all the misses. That eval sounds like it was written by someone selling a book or a fan, not by someone writing it for an NFL GM who has to make a draft pick.

And, you all have watched these players. Those reviews do not align with how those players perform.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

It isn't a roast. I don't know this guy from Adam. Anyone who has been around me on draft night knows that I rarely ever agree with the scouting reports that the TV guys espouse either. Watch the tape, if you think Tremaine was good in zone coverage, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that goes to beachfront property in Nebraska to sell you.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

How much?

To add to French's comment, if resumes and letters of recommendation are to be always blindly believed, then you will have to hire 80% of all applicants and consultants. Yet after interviews, typically you'd be lucky to find 3-4 good candidates.
Most everyone these days have the certifications and some claim to fame. That does not make their opinion more informed than that of the guy who watches more details every game. Respectfully presenting a studied personal opinion that is different from the other guy does not mean roasting or demeaning him.

It's amusing to me that people take these "credentials" seriously, but complain that Shane Beamer, et al coach a postion they never played.

McShay has Tremaine 31st in his ranking of top 32 players. Kiper has him 13th. CBS Sports has him 45th. Assuming he's going to be at worst a 2nd round pick he should probably go and get the money now.

I'm also fairly certain that at some point during the season last year, Bucky was on those big boards too. :(

While I think you're right, Kiper had him at 132 in his final rankings.

If I remember correctly Ford was also getting first round love at the beginning of the year

You know who else got a lot of first round left ve this time last year? All the people who were picked in the first round.

Never thought of our Samoan MLB as a crazy hitter. I've defended him constantly as being extremely undervalued by the fan base but not somebody that would light up the big hit highlight reel. More like make the crucial tackle while falling backward.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

Booo...keep your high praise to yourself until next year.

EDMUNDS, Fe'Zahn Tremaine

How did I not know that Tremaine's real name is Fe'Zahn?

Because it's pronounced KEVIN.


Our players are good and deserved to be drafted highly

What about Drew Harris? Lawson?

Virginian by Birth, Hokie by Choice