OT: Campus Update - The Interchange Opens...

For anyone who's asking for a $47M Hokie-themed Christmas present...

The new diverging diamond interchange to replace the Southgate / 460 stoplight will be opening on December 15, 2017.


Photo courtesy VDOT Salem

VDOT Southgate Connector Page

On a somewhat related note - some addresses around Chicken Hill and the Airport are changing to reflect the soon-to-be closed-for-airport-expansion part Research Center Drive (Tech Center Drive) just past the Rec Fields. Everyone impacted has been notified...

So the floor is open - any clever names for this interchange?

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The traffic pattern definitely needs every bit of help it can get, on gameday.

I remember taking my dad to the opener against GT in '12. I suggested we drive back to RVA after the game. He thought otherwise, and found a room in C'Burg. Even so, we didn't get back to the room, until well after 2am (as that one proved to be the first OT game at Lane). He came away from that game thinking all Hokies were crazy, but in a good way.

It was his first game at Lane since seeing his VMI Keydets play there, I think in '77. It was a bitterly-cold game, and he swears the wind was the best Special Teams unit that day.

It's all about The VPISU
VT '10, Born & Raised in the 804.
GO: Freeman Rebels, Keydets, Black Knights (the VMI of the North), NY Rangers & Giants, and ATL Braves.

This would have been better as just a massive traffic circle.

Edit: /s

lol I'm assuming sarcasm, but can you imagine the magnitude of that clusterfuck after games?

If Americans knew what the fuck to do in a traffic circle, I could support this comment.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

This times 1 million. Especially in Central VA. My gosh it's horrendous...

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Have you witnessed Americans especially older ones, like I see a lot down here, try and use a traffic circle? It's horrific.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Back when they opened the Main Street & Price's Fork traffic circle I walked by a guy from WSLS doing a report on the new traffic pattern, and while they were in the middle of filming an old woman came around the circle the wrong way. It couldn't have been a better backdrop.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Indeed.

It's all about The VPISU
VT '10, Born & Raised in the 804.
GO: Freeman Rebels, Keydets, Black Knights (the VMI of the North), NY Rangers & Giants, and ATL Braves.

Well, it would be one way to make sure recruits stay on campus.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Truth.

It's all about The VPISU
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GO: Freeman Rebels, Keydets, Black Knights (the VMI of the North), NY Rangers & Giants, and ATL Braves.

Hey look kids, there's Big Ben, and there's Parliament

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Hmm those 2 actors look like the same ones that are in the best Christmas movie of all time

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This hurt my brain...

the swindon roundabout is pure genius. it allows for a constant rate of traffic that eases pressure on congestion for the rest of the network and gives the driver multiple paths to get to the same destination. Brilliance.

Don't let this insane, traffic circle awesomeness distract you from the fact that the British blew a 13 colony lead in 1776.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

That team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

Good to see it open on or ahead of schedule! My commute to the office should hopefully be a little bit shorter now and more importantly, won't have to worry about coming to a complete 65 to 0 mph stop on 460 anymore!

Yes! This is the one and only traffic light I have on my commute, and especially with the construction over the past couple of years, it's the only part that experiences "congestion" (I know, relative to Blacksburg).

Idk how I'm gonna to feel about it

Hello all you boys and girls I'd like to take you to the inside world It's quite an irregular place to be But never fear you're safe with me. Well maybe

Get on your knees and thank heavens every day for your commute. - A FFX to DC daily commuter.

@vtscottyb

And now you have to pay $30 for that 66 commute!

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

So, is it actually open now? I swear they announced it was going to be open weeks ago and nada.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

will be opening on December 15, 2017.

That reading comprehension will get after ya.

But seriously, they said on either the news or radio that it was open right before Thanksgiving. Rode by on our way to Thanksgiving dinner in Giles and was disappointed. I guess they just jumped the gun.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

APOW, the original date was December 2018 IIRC. I think there was some optimism as it neared completion.

I'm still disappointed that our recruitniks no longer have arrive on campus greeted by the dairy barn. I mean, who needs Hardee's coupons when you can get that Dairy Club milkshake!

The best part of this (for me, anyway) is that now instead of the generic office address on Research Center Drive, we are now considered Beamer Way.

And no surprise there, it's Wally Lancaster with an airball that looked gorgeous on its way to nowhere...
2/15/89, VT vs. South Carolina...

Lee

Naming? How about "14-0 Interchange"

Start printing the sequential signs now:
15-0
16-0
17-0
etc.
Gotta change then every end of November.

Pain is Temporary
Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever
Let's Go Hokies!!

Or just "LOLUVA IS OUR BITCH" forever!

You could color the asphalt and get a "V under a T" in there. That would be cool from the air.

Pain is Temporary
Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever
Let's Go Hokies!!

Tramp stamp interchange?

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The "Good Luck Everybody!"

It's not quite the "Tribal Tat Interchange" in Jacksonville, FL but it's close.

What in the...? Why didn't they just go with a standard cloverleaf? This seems a bit excessive.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

it splits up the exiting & entering traffic nicely. On a standard cloverleaf the inner tight loops share a merge area which creates congestion... of course this design requires 9 bridges instead of 1, but hey it looks cool from above.

I'm going to guess that a standard cloverleaf would not fit due to land constraints (the existing ponds/lakes).

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

Because the cloverleaf is actually a shitty design. Traffic naturally doesn't flow in such dramatic radius and so these become a massive traffic jam when 1,000 plus cars are commuting, which is not very many cars. And they generally have shorter merging zones so the classic zipper actually becomes dangerous.

VDOT did a study back in 1999 that is the source material for further cloverleaf studies
http://www.vdot.virginia.gov/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/99-r15.pdf

Unfortunately, just south of this, the acceleration lane becomes a deceleration lane/exit and a little further south of that the number of lanes reduces from 4 to 2. Factor in Jacksonville having virtually no alternative routes and traffic light timing that uses the same school of clock management as TimeCop, and that's why Florida drivers are insane.

Don't even get me started about when it's raining or cold (not snowing, just sub-60s "cold").

This is much better than the mixing bowl..

Just looking at it stresses me out

That's way better than it used to be.

now you've got me looking at aerial views of all the spaghetti junctions along or close to my commute through I-95 in NJ.

Edit: check this out around Newark Liberty International. 3 US highways, 2 interstates, and the interstates are split between express/local (I-78) and car/truck (I-95) lanes.

Chem PhD '16

Spaghetti Junction, intersection of I-85 and I-285 in northeast Atlanta.

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That's at least roughly symmetric!

Chem PhD '16

The roads in Atlanta aren't so much the problem as the drivers in Atlanta.

Then again, that's probably true everywhere except Germany.

The roads in Atlanta the DC Metro area aren't so much the problem as the Maryland drivers in Atlanta the DC Metro area.

Amended for DC area.

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

Don't get me wrong, I've spent lots of time in the DC traffic and agree with you about the self-serving drivers there, but at least there's usually some rational, but selfish reason for their crazy antics. Which completely separates them from the random acts of reckless driving I've seen in Atlanta, which appear to have no rationale at all.

This should be dwarfed by the new 285 / 400 interchange they've started working on in terms of overall size. They're going back miles for the new lanes.

https://youtu.be/k80XROkBDMY

Those are my old stomping grounds, grew up near Abernathy/400.

Looking at the video, is that a diverging diamond underneath GA-400 at Abernathy? Hard to tell from the video, but it might be. (1:23 in)

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Milwaukee has a few "good" ones

It is my firm belief that some higher power influenced people to build crap like this just so he could play an epic game of real life RAMPAGE come the end times.

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oh you mean Dwayne Johnson

911: "What's your location?"

Caller: "I'm on the interchange..."

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-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

Which direction? Oh, never mind, we can see the backup.

That's actually how a Fairfax fighter died. Caller gave wrong direction of travel, medic stopped on other side and thought he could hope over medium wall to bad accident instead there was a gap and a very long fall to ground below.

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Holy shit that's tragic.

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Lowkey badass city

"I'm a Miller Lite guy, always have been, since I was 8." -John Daly

I was just in MIlwaukee a few months ago and drove through that one a few times. It was glorious.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

I take this exit all the time, and I had no idea it looked this crazy from above. I just wish it didn't lead straight into the shittiest 5 mile stretch of 295 in Jax.

Is it just me or the fact that there are still traffic signals means it's not really going to alleviate any backups during games or rush hour? The ramps to get on or off really aren't that long so I could see those easily backing up on to 460 during a game.

Not too many people headed towards the stadium means lights should just be able to let cars stream out. At speeds higher than making a square right/left, I guess.

Chem PhD '16

On gamedays they just need police to operate the lights or close the ramp to traffic going in the "opposite direction. For example...

Pregame: close Southgate Dr except the lane turning onto 460W
Postgame: close the 460E Southgate Dr exit ramp

They have this same pattern at I-581 and BestBuy entrance to Valley View Mall. It is really nice -- completely different experience with this pattern vs the merge off/on shuffle at a older jug handle interchange.

Found the guy from Jersey.

older jug handle interchange

“I turned down 12 other opportunities. You know what I mean?” - Fuente

Guilty! Garden State Parkway exit 63

yup. accel/decel lanes'll get after ya

Chem PhD '16

It's a diverging diamond. Virginia has been putting this in major interchanges the past few years. The lights control the flow of traffic better because traffic is always flowing one direction or the other. I think I even traversed one in Tennessee while travelling for Thanksgiving.

A few suggestions for names.

1) Cam Phillips "Ankle Assassin" Interchange: I see lots of people slamming on brakes for all the sudden lane changes that will occur. It reminds me of the Rt. 15 / I-66 intersection, and only the locals seem to know what lane to be in.

2) JRob Interchange: That cross-over will get after ya.

3) Fahrvergnügen Interchange: It kinda looks like a VW logo. Maybe we can get corporate sponsorship for that to boost the athletic department budget?

This is easy.
HOKIE HOME INTERCHANGE

or even better just

HOME

Always be yourself. Because the people that matter, don't mind. And the one's that mind, don't matter.

I like the "Robinson Crossover"

Eh.. there's not going to be any crazy lane changes. Look at the photo above... not having a road on the west side really simplifies this style of interchange, which is already very simple to drive.

Diamond formation you say? Can you get to the airport from there? "Trips Right - Campus Left"

How about "Diamond Circus".

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-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

We actually bid on some of the airport work and quoted a few bores under 460 to Branch. Kinda glad we didn't hit on any of it. Listening to some of their supers that we know pretty well, sounds like working for and around the university can be...rough.

"I'm a Miller Lite guy, always have been, since I was 8." -John Daly

So are there plans to build new buildings/expand on to the other side of 460? The diverging diamond certainly makes it possible to extend southgate at a later date. Otherwise the removal of the light could have accomplished with a single bridge using a trumpet interchange and no light would be needed on south gate like there is with a diverging diamond.

i've seen some nutty 5 year plans, VT is being very bullish with its vision.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

I think that we're definitely hurtling towards huge state college status

Recruit Prosim

Original plans called for an extension of Southgate down to Prices Fork, not sure if that's still the case.

The Enter Sandman Interchange.

"In 500 feet, take Exit Light Enter Night..." - Garmin

YAAAASSSSSSS

I did work in Columbus OH last year and there's a DDI that I used a lot. Honestly, with these things you end up getting stuck at two lights getting off the highway (instead of one or none) - it was a cluster and seemed to me a waste of money to some traffic engineer who couldn't grasp the concept of a cloverleaf.

More lanes of traffic move through a DDI at one time than a regular interchange with 2 traffic lights. There are some videos on youtube that show how they are more efficient. Another reason DDI are becoming more common is that they are cheaper to implement then a SPUI or a cloverleaf.

Clover leafs are kind of considered obsolete now, to the point that many states are starting to remove them for safety reasons. In particular they are really bad at handling large volumes of traffic and large vehicles that taker longer to accelerate and decelerate.

They're great in areas with too many tractor-trailers, because everything is spread out to accommodate their greater length. I'm not really sure what the advantage will be at Southgate, but I wouldn't judge until I've been through it a few times on game day. (Unless you think it's silly to spend all that money to solve a problem that only happens eight days per year.)

"Our job as coaches is to influence young people's lives for the better in terms of fundamental skills, work ethic, and doing the right thing. Every now and again, a player actually has that effect on the coaching staff." Justin Fuente on Sam Rogers

In addition to what others above me have stated, I think the main reason for choosing a DDI over a cloverleaf is that it has a much smaller footprint. VT is trying to conserve as much land as they can for future development, while somewhat alleviating gameday traffic. A DDI was the best compromise.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

A DDI makes left turns feel like right turns which are safer and more efficient. The signals used have less phases making the total lost time less. They don't fix every problem interchange but work great when they can because it takes very little real estate. Clover leaf interchanges are very dangerous due to the shared deceleration and acceleration lanes. I can't believe we put them on the 460 bypass which is a relatively new project and they knew of the problems with clover leafs at the time.

Is an RCUT interchange intersection still proposed for north main and 460?

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

For those interested, we're building a DDI at the Nutley Interchange along I66 outside the beltway in NoVa as part of the widening/toll lanes job. And a DDI was recently completed at the 15 interchange of 66.

Link below has a pretty cool interactive map that shows the design superimposed over google maps:

http://outside.transform66.org/learn_more/maps_and_interactive_map.asp

He's no good to me dead.

You with VDOT or a consultant?

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Consultant for the DB FAM.

He's no good to me dead.

Did you mean to type DBU FAM?

"Our job as coaches is to influence young people's lives for the better in terms of fundamental skills, work ethic, and doing the right thing. Every now and again, a player actually has that effect on the coaching staff." Justin Fuente on Sam Rogers

There's a new DDI at 15 and I-64 also.

I think the two on 15 were VDOT's experiments to see how people adapt. Nutley is the real brain child in the heart of one of the worst traffic congestion areas in the country. The VDOT people are very excited about it. I'm skeptical to say the least. Ultimately, they're replacing a cloverleaf with 4 stop lights. And stop lights are the devil.

He's no good to me dead.

I interned on this job site couple summers ago. Glad to see it open. As others have said, DDI's are better from myriad of technical reasons

VT CEE Class of 2016/2017

5 years, 2 degrees, 33 football games as a student, and 2 Cassell court stormings later, I bleed Maroon and Orange

Who did you intern with?

"I'm a Miller Lite guy, always have been, since I was 8." -John Daly

VDOT

VT CEE Class of 2016/2017

5 years, 2 degrees, 33 football games as a student, and 2 Cassell court stormings later, I bleed Maroon and Orange

Wanted to be more positive but "The Turkey Pen" might stick

My vote is for "Diverging Diamond Dallas Page Interchange"

Well VDOT posted this gem to facebook.

That's the funniest thing I've ever seen or heard VDOT do. Great work and looks like only a few more days having to come to screeching halt at Southgate!

Not sure, but it looks like the video from the DDI is the one at Rt. 15 & I-64.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

You're correct. Some of the footage was taken from that DDI and used for Valley View, and now they're just reusing it for Southgate since it was well received for Valley View (and actually won some national awards IIRC).

(I work for VDOT)

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I was actually going to post a link to that today. It went around the office yesterday.

I remember when there was no bypass or Southgate Entrance. Imagine running everyone up the town of Blacksburg these days.

But there were only 5,000 seats at Worsham Field at the time, so the horses and buggies could all be accommodated.

"Our job as coaches is to influence young people's lives for the better in terms of fundamental skills, work ethic, and doing the right thing. Every now and again, a player actually has that effect on the coaching staff." Justin Fuente on Sam Rogers

But there were only 5,000 seats at Worsham Field Miles Stadiumat the time, so the horses and buggies could all be accommodated.

FTFY

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Southgate Dr. has permanently closed as of 2 hours ago. The interchange will open tomorrow morning!

I was one of the very last to drive "out" via Southgate as the signs went up yesterday evening, and I must admit - that was quite something to realize. I've driven into campus that way since 1986, when I was just touring campus as a HS junior. The new one isn't open quite yet this morning, but they've already pulled the stoplight out and begun the "eradication"... I think it'll be a positive change, but "brake, wait and turn" is going to be hard muscle memory to break LOL. The new one definitely looks good.

And no surprise there, it's Wally Lancaster with an airball that looked gorgeous on its way to nowhere...
2/15/89, VT vs. South Carolina...

Lee

Saw this today - figured you all would love it

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

This is like visual ASMR to me.

well that was cool. I'd love to see a table with cost, footprint, vehicle flow through, and schematic for each of these. Surprisingly interesting stuff.

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Pure. Traffic. Pr0n.

Thank you.

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Just drove through on my morning commute without stopping! Speed limit is still 55 for now but figure they'll up it to 65 when they can make a more permanent closure of the old Southgate intersection. That and it seems like they'll need to resurface that stretch of 460 both ways since it's pretty lumpy.

The commute back home to Blacksburg this evening is where the real impact will be for me. Looking forward to that.

Set up your cell phone to get video. ;^)

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