Delusional Fan Base

I typically don't partake in fanbase squabbles between UVA-VT, but I can't resist this morning. Please take some time to read some of UVA's Mens BB board "thesabre", of which i've had great enjoyment this am. Apparently, every team that plays UVA is having one of these nights:

1) Best game they've played all year
2) Most unfair refs all year

When explaining why VT won games against similar opponents (Duke/Pitt):

1) Different team when VT played them
2) Cassel is stupid

I have a ton of UVA friends/former alums, who are all generally reasonable so I don't have a real hatred for them. However, some of the general fanbase is coming out of the word work with the relatively brief bball success. I fear that the fans will become unhinged if UVA goes 1 for 14 in football. As a big fan of all of the VT teams, I would enjoy the same level of success that UVA has in the non revenue sports. Not at the expense of football/basketball.

Sorry for the long post, but this is really a PSA for our fans not to post ridiculousness.

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UVA Hoops fans are easily the most delusional in America- hands down. One final eight and they are UCLA of the 70's- that is their mentality. Their program is now permanently top 10, teflon, will always be at the top of the ACC, VT will never compete with them, etc. Yesterday they called Tony Bennett the "Nick Saban" of hoops.- Seriously. LOLOLOL. VT beats them? Lucky, Seth Allen should have transferred elsewhere, Buzz is leaving next year, the refs favored VT, it was a miracle, etc. Duke beats them? The refs favor Duke, we would have won in Cameron, all of the duke players had a career night, blah blah blah. Insufferable. They are worse than WVU football fans or Syracuse hoops fans. THE worst.

Yesterday they called Tony Bennett the "Nick Saban" of hoops

They actually said that? He's more like Paul Johnson than Nick Saban.

"My favorite cocktail is bourbon on ice. It makes the ice taste better." - Jimmy Russell

Tries to form contextual reference.

Realizes I may be too old for sports forum.

They are worse than WVU football fans or Syracuse hoops fans. THE worst.

What evil did Syracuse basketball fans commit to deserving being compared to WVU fans?

....asking for a friend

And now it's time to show the world
That victory is ours tonight

They rushed the court less than a year after making the final four. That's enough for me. Have some fucking perspective

In all honesty, I don't think we should have rushed the court after beating loluva. I view it as one of those act like you have been there things. Just my opinion, please don't down-vote me haha.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

I completely agree. During the game I was hoping we wouldn't storm the court if we won. I like to think it was more of a result of the dramatic finish to the game than beating UVA. But I think we're getting to the point where we should act like we expected to beat them.

TL;DR: Get off my damn lawn

"My favorite cocktail is bourbon on ice. It makes the ice taste better." - Jimmy Russell

Get off my damn lawn

*Checks age and sees that you are 25 like me* Ahh good, I'm not the only old person stuck in a young person's body.
(Also, are you from RVA or did you move there? Just curious since you're only 11 days older than me and I grew up in RVA)

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

I'm 26 and I disagree with rushing the field/court about 80% of the time "we" do it.

I distinctly remember the Miami game when I was there that we won in dramatic fashion and the students tried to rush the field. For beating an unranked (I think) team that we should have beaten. Eh.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

I completely agree. I was at that game too and saw no reason to rush the field. You're right Miami was unranked that game and we almost gave up a big halftime lead. A few of my friends did storm the field and it was only because they were excited plus you get to stand on Worsham Field I guess.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

The decision to rush or not rush was made easy for me as an MV. Do it and get in big trouble. The Duke gameday basketball game was the only time I kinda wished I could though. Every other time a rush happened I thought it was kinda silly.

I did get some time standing on Worsham being in the band though, so that particular temptation wasn't there I suppose. I could see the appeal.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

Everything is more noticeable when you're wearing an MV uniform. I couldn't even fathom Dave's reaction if someone rushed the field.

Granted, on my end of the stands we were usually focusing on not getting trampled when the student section came barreling through...

Now put on a dark blue uniform with white crossbelts in a sea of Orange and Maroon. We spotted a Rat visiting his girlfriend halfway up the East Stands student section from the Corps section of the South End Zone one game. I've no doubt Dave could be harsh, but the Corps can take away every weekend, weeknight, and free moment if you piss it off enough.

"Jerod Evans had more moves on that run than Bayer has aspirin!"

-Mike Burnop, 9/24/2016

I was there when we stormed the field after beating Florida State in 2007. We were #11 and they were unranked. It seemed a little weird, but considering the circumstances it wasn't too awful (first time we had beaten FSU since Bowden had gotten there).

Coming back from a 14-point deficit on your in-state rival who is in the middle of their 4th-straight season of bordering on elite status feels pretty good. Let the students enjoy it.

I'm actually 24 (the only thing accurate about the birthday in my profile is the year) but yes I've lived in Richmond since an undisclosed date in 1992

"My favorite cocktail is bourbon on ice. It makes the ice taste better." - Jimmy Russell

I have to disagree. In my mind the court storm isn't so much a we upset the #1 team in the country type of thing. Instead, the court storm was warranted, IMO, because we are a program on the rise, that mounted an incredible second half comeback against the best defensive team in the country without two of our best players on the court, and oh yeah, they are our in-state rivals, and nothing is sweeter than beating UVA. Plus it was an amazing way to celebrate two amazing seniors (Allen and LeDay), that have become ultimate Hokies in my book.

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"It's time to go play Virginia Tech Football longer and harder than anybody else in America!!" -- Justin Fuente
"I put a brick in Sacksburg today." -- Cam Phillips

In all honesty, I don't think we should have rushed the court after beating loluva.

In all honesty, I don't mind if we do this EVERY YEAR. But I expect if we continue to beat them at least once a year in basketball, the excitement will die down a little.

That said, I still get pretty excited when we beat them in football every year.

They're our in-state rival. I like that it's worth getting excited about.

Rushing the court/field is fun for the fans and most students only get one shot in their career (I was blocked at the Nebraska game myself and never had another opportunity, still regret it), if you upset a top 10 team who is also a rival in a thrilling game do you not storm?

Just spend some time around them. At the NCAA's in DC a few years back I thought I was in Morgantown or Oakland listening to their fans- awful - and they truly think their school invented basketball

I grew up in Syracuse as a Syracuse fan so I've spent plenty of time around them. Since going to Tech I've always thought that VT has some of the the best fans in college sports, but I never really thought of Syracuse as having bad fans, which is why I was curious.

And now it's time to show the world
That victory is ours tonight

so I don't have a real hatred for them

you lost me

Go Hokies

Solid TMNT: Secret of the Ooze reference

Yeah. Yea....Yeeeaaaahh!!

I try to keep in mind that most schools in Virginia have something they're good at. I can't fault anyone for going to a school that is better at doing what they want to do. This applies academically and athletically. I'm not going to say someone sucks at something, if they're better than Tech. I will not hesitate to find fault in things that do have those faults.

The outspoken UVA fans do not seem to hold to this. Everything about UVA is better. Doesn't matter. TJ. JPJ.

You can't improve until you admit there is something to improve upon.

Like my use of prepositions at the ends of sentences.

JPJ is a great concert venue. A mediocre at best basketball arena

Like my use of prepositions at the ends of sentences.

"Haikus are easy.
But sometimes they don't make sense.
Refrigerator."

A boring morning
TKP to save the day
UNC thinks this is a Haiku

Like my use of prepositions at the ends of sentences, bitch.

FTFY

"Jerod Evans had more moves on that run than Bayer has aspirin!"

-Mike Burnop, 9/24/2016

I think their fanbase is on the verge of completely coming unhinged because their oh so precious Tony Bennett and his basketball team have taken a noticeable step back this year. Their football program is pathetic, so the big excuse they hold over VT is "well, we're just waiting until basketball season." Now that it's here and things aren't looking as great as the past few years, I think their fear of not being elite (basketball) and being completely irrelevant (football) in both major sports is getting to them. Of course, they can always look ahead to baseball season. Or rowing. Or field hockey.

Sometimes I like to leave off the /s just to mess with people.

I hear the UVA community is really excited about their chances in the upcoming wine-tasting season.

Edit: wrong reply

Man I saw this image and thought immediately NSFW, then I realized they were brooms and they are playing harry potter games.

They were stressed at the tail end of last year about their wine tasting team being so senior laden, but they were able to snag some trust fund kids late in the recruiting process from wine country and the future looks bright once again.

Yeah, but "redshirting" has a whole different meaning in wine tasting. Usually a sign of failure, actually. So they're going to have to manage their roster pretty well.

So you're saying they have a drinking problem?

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

wine tasting team being so senior fourth year laden,

Sometimes I like to leave off the /s just to mess with people.

fourth year

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

As a former Architecture student... numbered years don't bother me in the least.

When playing a sport at UVA (and certainly when discussing a fictional wine tasting team) you don't get the honor of being called a senior.

Sometimes I like to leave off the /s just to mess with people.

There are Hokies that enjoy wine as well. It's a passion of mine, and I even owned a small piece of a winery in CA for a while.

But not Zima, though. Zima is Hoo-ville all the way.

I like wine too, although clearly not as much as you. I just don't drink it while wearing a tie and blazer at a football tailgate. That's the difference between us and them.

"My favorite cocktail is bourbon on ice. It makes the ice taste better." - Jimmy Russell

My thoughts exactly. I love red wine, but the difference is the way they do it/culture they personify.

Absolutely, would never wear a blazer and tie to a football game. One of my fondest memories as an alum was flying down in October 1999 when we played #16 Syracuse and whipped them 62-0. I drank a bottle of 94 Silver Oak out of a Hokie cup while tailgating before the game, and then poured a 94 Caymus into a bottle-sized flask, hid it in the cavernous inside pocket of my Levi's jean jacket, and brought it into Lane.

Actually, after two bottles of wine, I'm not sure I remember that much about the game!

True story... watched the basketball game with the UVa alumni group in the area. At one point during the game there was the conversation "so you didn't wear your tie and blazer because it was raining?" Took everything I had to not facepalm right then and there. It was when he started showing off his pair of $16 John Paul Jones socks that I couldn't resist the facepalm urges anymore.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

When you say "facepalm", I'm hoping you mean his face, your palm.

We were being gracious hosts, so no...

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

I just read somewhere that Zika is going to have a limited run return. Hooville will be "lit"

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I just read somewhere that Zika is going to have a limited run return. Hooville will be "lit"

I know it's an autocorrect fail, but this is dark, man. Real dark...

Warning: this post occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors).

"My favorite cocktail is bourbon on ice. It makes the ice taste better." - Jimmy Russell

VT's wine-tasting team is coached by John Boyer, the Nick Saban of wine tasting. UVA is in trouble

John Boyer might be the Harbaugh of wine tasting teams. He's one of the best, but hilariously quirky.

Edit: NM

I have no idea what I'm looking at other than it is patently the most LOLUVA thing ever.

To be fair, they stomped us but good at JPJ Arena. I will take going 1-1 against them.

Or rowing

It's called crew

Edit: Is something a UVA fan would totally say.....

Haters gonna hate, potatoes gonna potate

I'd rather not click any link and give them the page hits thank you very much.

Particularly since it's a waste of everyone's time.

TheSabre posters being douchenozzles towards VT? Holy shit, stop the presses!

Not saying anything directly at you, hokiebrian, but that site has loooong been a cesspool of irrationality and delusion. It makes for some good chuckles every once in a while, and is well worth the schadenfreude after a Hoo loss, but your best bet is to just steer as clear from that site as you can. On a good day, they'll only call you a bucktooth cow humping redneck.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

Can I get a repost of the screencapped "We may win it all in football"? This was before Richmond dismantled them.

Outspoken team cake advocate. Hates terrapins. Resident Macho Man Gif Poster. Distant cousin to Dork Magic.

Interesting topic. Both fanbases and athletic programs are rightfully very proud of their current status and potential.

For VT, we have an excellent AD who has made dramatic improvements across the board. He's good at hiring coaches and has solidified our staple, football, through a potentially challenging transition. He's also done a great job resurrecting a basketball program that has a very poor history. Our Olympic sports are improving and have been doing so on a consistent basis since inclusion in the ACC. Weaver had some ups and downs, notably his attitude towards basketball, but he ran a tight ship, invested in the non-revs and built our program under the philosophy that a strong football program raises all boats (or something more eloquently metaphorical). It's working, we're happy with where we are.

For UVa, their philosophy has always been different. They have had strong Olympic sports for 20+ years now and feel a balanced offering is preferable to a reliance on football. They are very, very good at hiring coaches as many of their Olympic sports have one of the top coaches in the country. Their excellence in Olympic sports should be appreciated and held as an aspiration for VT as we continue to progress. Their philosophy is working, they are happy where they are.

Bennett is a very interesting case in itself. After really three bad coaches in a row, they hired a consulting firm to find Bennett. His success before arrived at UVA was not better than what Buzz had done at Marquette. After four years, Bennett's system clicked and they went on an unprecedented run for the last three years. Winning the ACC regular season outright (two straight 16-2 seasons), winning the ACC Tournament, and a top 2 seed (?) in the NCAA three straight years. That's ridiculous and almost certainly can't be maintained. But he's an excellent coach, thought of as one of the very best in the country and no obvious next move for him (now that Wisky is filled).

That has left the UVA hoops fanbase in their own little bubble. Bennett will settle into a more maintainable state. For VT, those who know hoops know how close Buzz is to Bennett in career accomplishments, save the ridiculous 3 year run Bennett just concluded. But there is also an expectation that Buzz may not be long for VT (he has made one unusual coaching move already) and that VT does not have the resources UVA has to maintain a basketball program. Maybe Buzz stays for another 5+ years. Maybe his recruiting to his system (read: wing players and 6'7" post guys) overcomes the geographical and historical disadvantages at VT.

There is a real chance that VT and UVA hoops can be very similar over the next 2-3 years as UVA settles to a median water mark and Buzz continues to develop his system and culture. That will be uncomfortable for UVA fans. But the counter could also come true, Buzz could jump to Ohio St this spring, we could be left with our next James Johnson and Bennett could become the next Coach K and stay in Charlottesville for 20 years. That would be very uncomfortable for VT fans.

For UVa, their philosophy has always been different. They have had strong Olympic sports for 20+ years now and feel a balanced offering is preferable to a reliance on football.

I always find it funny that a school that has such pride for their business program doesn't understand the importance of the number one REVENUE generating sport.

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I don't think they haven't tried to have VT's football program, they have just failed. It's not like they are actively ignoring football. They just aren't good at it.

But for VT, football got everything, it was our way out of the Big East. UVA never need to do that, they already have significant balance. They have always had a secure home.

To add to that, our football team caught lightning in a bottle with Beamer and Bud. It's not like we were just throwing money at the football program, we were just really fortunate to have the right people and a ton of stability in the program. From what I remember hearing, our previous ADs tried to keep the individual sports somewhat financially separate, to where the football team wasn't necessarily funding the rest of the athletics department, and since we started having football success (which in turn brought in more money) it meant that we were spending a disproportionate amount on football.

It's no real coincidence that our non-revenue sports have experienced a significant boost since we joined a conference that is very good at most of them, and actually makes some money on them. And now that it seems that Whit is open to moving money a bit more freely between programs, that is a trend that I'd expect to continue.

...and UVA's football strategies weren't bad ones.

Welsh was a consistent producer but had reached a ceiling, at the same time when we were blowing through our ceiling. Encouraging his departure was the right move.

Hiring a UVA alum with NFL coaching experience was a good idea, trying to find their own Beamer who would be there forever. They invested in recruiters like Golden, London and Diaco and it worked, they had good talent. Groh was just a buffoon.

Going to London made sense, an African American coach with strong 757/804 recruiting ties with a national championship at Richmond? And he was a former cop! But again, he was a buffoon.

Bronco is in theory, another version of Bennett. He's had success elsewhere, was looking for a stable home in a well heeled environment. But he's kinda got a buffoon like sheen to him, doesn't he?

For all of you that have known the UVa message boards existence, this post is not for you. I also don't see why it's a surprise that I have a greater dislike for other rivals that have been more competitive towards us in recent years. Find it ironic that I post about another schools deuchy fan posts and get (some) deuchy fan posts from our fans.

This can be said about pretty much any fan base. The equivalent of us complaining about the lighting in the Carrier Dome is on par with what most people say about Cassell. We all see various aspects of the team(s) with our particular fan base's colored spectacles, wait until the 2017 football team over/under and/or projection threads come out and people have us going 15-0 next year with a first-year QB, whether is Jackson or Hooker (or Lawson *ducks*). It's just the nature of sports in general.

Please take some time to read some of UVA's Mens BB board "thesabre"

I'm sorry, but I will never do that. It might promise some entertainment, but it guarantees frustration/anger/fury.

That message board is an ugly place.

It's Time to go to Work

I typically can't stand UVA and poke a little fun at them for some well deserved stereotypes, but the majority of the people over there really think that they are better than us because of their education or preference for a sports team. It's funny at first but makes me angry the more I think about it. Best to just stay the hell away from there.

Everyone should go over there, create an account (if you don't have Sportswar account yet) and just add to the chaos.

Its actually quite fun.

Is it football season yet?

Just spent a few minutes browsing their football board.

Outspoken team cake advocate. Hates terrapins. Resident Macho Man Gif Poster. Distant cousin to Dork Magic.

There are active discussions on the football board in February? I'm actually kind of impressed. Those must be the 28 guys who attend the Spring Festival

"My favorite cocktail is bourbon on ice. It makes the ice taste better." - Jimmy Russell

It's really weird stuff too. They complemented themselves on not hiring Sandusky. It's a little sad.

Outspoken team cake advocate. Hates terrapins. Resident Macho Man Gif Poster. Distant cousin to Dork Magic.

Define active... there are still Threads from early last week on their first page

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

I guess the people from here looking at them give them some life.

For me, it's generally a waste of everyone's time.

The only reason to look at their basketball forum this week is this, which I can sort of understand:

Just spent a few minutes browsing their football board.

So you went back to mid 90's, when the site was founded?

I'm a man! I'm 43! Hokie thru and thru.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

If you thought they were bad last week (before they trailed us in the basketball standings in late February)...

I can't stop reading their sad excuses and finding joy in their misery, no matter how petty it might make me.

"My favorite cocktail is bourbon on ice. It makes the ice taste better." - Jimmy Russell

Excuses are like assholes: everyone has them, but somehow Wahoos manage to have more than anyone thought possible.

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When I read this I had a mental picture aberration of that weird three-mouthed gif flash through my mind.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

I find it funny that just 5-6 years ago, UVA was in almost an identical spot as we are currently. A string of mediocre seasons, and then winning 20+ games in year 3 of a new coach. And yet many of them say this season is our ceiling and their floor, because we're apparently at full strength as a program and they're the only ones in a rebuilding year. Rival or not, they should know as well as anyone that sometimes all it takes to win is a new coach, fresh recruits, and a couple years under the belt. Although asking them to be reasonable is probably a bit of a stretch.

This probably is their floor under Bennett. They kicked a potential All-Acc player off the team and they're still in the top 15 in most tempo free stats. They're loaded for next year. We need to show that we can guard someone under Buzz before we start saying that we're going to get to their level