OT - Gold Cup Thread

I know we have quite a few followers of the USMNT here. Gold Cup just right around the corner. USMNT has been draw into a real who's who of international football: Panama, Nicaragua and Martinique. Regardless, it's a major tournament and a great chance to see some new faces into the national team that have a real chance to break into the "A" team next summer.

We beat Ghana 2-1 today through Dom Dwyer and Kellyn Acosta's first international goals. I've been waiting for Dwyer to put on a US shirt for awhile. I know some have mixed opinion about dual nationals, but can't be anything but happy for him. Could tell what it meant to the lad the moment he scored it. So glad to have him in the national team fold now, and unless he's injured, I highly doubt he would be left off the 23 man roster for Russia.

The Gold Cup is somewhat silly through the group stage. Be interested to see how the likes of Dwyer, Acosta, and Kenny Saief perform in the knockouts. Although it's unlikely to see the big names come back for the knockouts, unless it's the MLSers, should be an interesting look nonetheless!

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I still can't believe they didn't call the red card on the Ghana goalie

Agreed, but rarely see sending offs in friendlies.

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I will always be happy for a win over Ghana

Here's the thing. Those are the dopest jerseys we've had since the Where's Waldos. I need one.

They're 150, ostensibly due to "limited quantity." Which means now that I've ordered one, they'll be available at Nike Outlets for like 50 by September.

This where you got it from? Those are so cool. But it's so hard to justify paying upwards of $200 for a Pulisic customized one.

OTOH, they're the best we've worn in years so once they're gone, they're gone.

It's quite the pickle.

Hell yes those shirts are definitely the 2nd best we've ever worn right after Where's Waldo. I really want one. Hope I can find one on sale later on down the road.

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I would love for the US to start branding ourselves by a shirt. You know an Arsenal home kit when you see it. You know an Argentina kit. You know a Barcelona kit. Would love for us to stick with one home shirt, and I think this is a brilliant start.

Then we can continue to get creative with the change strip. I saw one the other day that is fantastic.Thoughts?

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Oh my god, that Gadsden jersey though.

We are the Hokies. We will prevail. We will prevail. We will prevail. We are Virginia Tech.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Happy for Dom. Dude's a PITA for defenders and relentless. As an SKC fan, I hope he's successful in the Gold Cup and that translates over to club form. He's been in a bit of a drought.

game in nashville on sat. is there a TKP bus making the trip?

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im interested to see what miazga/hedges can do as young CBs. lichaj/saief could potentially help the constant issue of the left back/wing so hopefully at least one of them has a good tournament.

a game or two for Bill Hamid would be nice to a)have someone represent va and b)see what he can do on this stage

For a second I thought this was about that horse race, then I realized I wasn't on a UVA site...

Just a reminder that Germany vs Chile in the confed final at 2pm on FS1. Portugal already beat Mexico in the 3rd place game.

There's rumors this could be the final edition of the confederations cup.

That's good, I find the ConFed Cup to be pointless. When the world champions send their kids to play in it, you know it's a joke. FIFA also knows that nobody will go to Qatar in 4 years time...I'm hoping they pull the Cup and give it to us, justice would be served-that campaign was by far the most crooked in FIFA history, and that's saying a lot.

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Who's watching USA vs Panama?

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Me. Looks like absolute shit now. Hilarious how bad they've been since the goal.

Well I was watching USA vs. Panama, but now I'm watching Panama out-hustle us.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Man the US defending is atrocious.

Absolutely horrendous this second half. Which is especially concerning because they're collapsing immediately after scoring a goal.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

I don't know how Guzan hasn't murdered any of those guys right now. On the goal I think it was zusi who got there late on the first shot, then acosta got beat to the ball, which is inexcusable inside the 18.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

And that was following another chance they completely mangled their positioning.

I know this isn't our A team by any standard, but I haven't felt great about our defending for a while. Every time I watch I see at least one guy get exposed badly on the back line.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

And it seems every time we get into the offensive third, we lose all soccer IQ. There are too many extra touches, we are holding it, and not to mention, it seems like there is no communication.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Send it wide.
Sprint to the corner
Blindly cross
Chase the clear out
Repeat

Seems to be the Bruce Arena offensive strategy.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

Soccer semi-noob here. Where is Bradley, Pulisic, Yedlin, Howard, etc.? Wouldn't we field our best team if we're trying to win a tournament?

Less prestigious tournament so it's one where teams like us and Mexico will try to give playing time to players who normally would not. 1) to give them experience 2) so that coaches can better evaluate them and use it to determine who to take to World Cup (aka more important tournament).

So it's usually a delicate balance of wanting do still do well but find out what these other players can do.

European Clubs want their players back for preseason. Already played WCQ this June. Just necessary games for the "A" squad to play coming up in crucial qualifiers against Panama and Honduras this September.

The Gold Cup a year out of a World Cup usually is used for player identification. I'd say that the US 23 man roster is about 19 or 20 solid guys right now (baring injury of course). Looking for that last three (one being the third GK) who will round out the squad. Obviously there are one or two first teamers at Gold Cup (Villafana/Acosta), and some fringe rotation players Gonzalez, Arriola, Morris, Zusi...but the likes of Dwyer, Zardes, Lichaj are the ones to look out for. Think those are the three that have the most to gain this summer. Out of that group, I think Dwyer is the closest to a lock. Another successful season for Lichaj at Forest will do him a world of good.

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As a red bulls fan, this is the worst I've ever seen dax play. I don't even know why he's out there. No defense, no distribution and a bunch of turnovers.

That performance was gross, but one point is better than none.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Gold Cup really doesn't matter until the semifinals. Didn't even bother to watch the game today. Too beautiful of a day here in the South Bay to waste it on shiiiiiiite soccer.

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Zardes is freaking awful. Also, we're seeing vintage Bruce Ball right now, way too much kicking the ball hard and hoping for the best here.

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No one in this side is creative or disciplined enough to play circles around a team sitting back. Martinique giving the channels cause they know Gyasi cannot deliver a ball to save his life.

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"The player's are failing to show leadership and intensity.... I'm sure Bruce will lay into them at half to change that up"

Landon needs to go away. I don't think he or Stuart can say a single thing critical of Bruce. If I watch the second half it'll be with some Spotify on in the background, no more Landon.

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This game as a whole is brutal to watch. I don't care what players we are using, Martinique isn't a FIFA sanctioned country and the players they're using are all amateurs. The fact it's still scoreless at the 50 minute mark is pathetic, to be honest. Even more worrisome, you could argue it should be 2-0 Martinique with the chances they've been getting.

I can't stand this Bruce Arena style. We seem to be playing with both hands tied.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

Of course NOW they score....

Wohoo

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

It took our terrible CB to poke in the sitter after our forwards spent 50 minutes kicking the ball straight at the GK or 10 rows back.

I agree, Martinique has a population slightly smaller than Atlanta. We should be able to field our 'J' squad and do better than this.

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The passes are just atrocious. These players have NO feel for where each other are and consistently send the ball way behind where the players actually are.

They're playing like a team who has never practiced together before.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

That was a better goal.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

im not sure how, but I know this is klinnsman's fault! /s

in all seriousness it's concerning that all we've heard about is how organized we are going to be, yet our defense has been average to terrible. i hoped one of the young/newer players would make an impression to get a longer look but that's been disappointing. lichaj has had some moments but that's about it

In all seriousness, Jurgen took a looooot of flak for not making a good showing against smaller teams when he was trying to experiment with his lineups. I don't recall his experiments ever looking so disjointed.

Just scored a solid team goal there, Lichaj the brightest spot there.

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There is a part of me that almost wouldn't mind a quick flameout in this Gold Cup followed by some more messy play in WC Qualifying. The USMNT at an organizational level desperately needs a come to Jesus moment where we completely rebuild from the ground up. We are never going to be a legit international power on our current track.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

yet our defense has been average to terrible.

Because the players are average to terrible...Gonzalez is the only on that is good enough to play at the World Cup.

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lol i don't even think he'll be playing, at least i hope not. my point is that all i've heard is "if nothing else bruce arena's teams will maintain solid shape and defending" and that's not happening.

even against panama the defending wasn't great and some of those back 4 will be on the wc roster if not starting

and we're tied

Arena is a weak manager, that much is pretty clear. These guys we have on the field may be subpar, but they're still professional players, something the majority of our opposition are not. It's embarrassing to be in a dogfight with them like this.

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Professional just means they're making money. Some of those Martinique players undoubtedly play higher level than MLS throughout their careers. The rest are playing in a crap league, with little to no pay, but it doesn't mean they don't know how to complete a pass. Let's stop making them seem like they're San Marino where they're literally plumbers from a country of 33,000 people. These players would grow up playing the game and at the end of the day, international footballers, who had already beaten a team full of "professional" players the other night.

That's not to make excuses for tonight, but just because Martinique isn't FIFA sanctioned, doesn't mean they're a bunch of pub league guys running around.

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They even said last night that the one Sounders player on Martinique was the most 'professional' of the lot. They're a step above someone like San Marino. We are no soccer powerhouse, but we should be several steps above them.
There's really no excuse for our team to show the lack of ability they did last night. How many times did we just launch a shot, or worse a "cross" into row z? I could pass it off as a one-off if I hadn't seen this stuff from Arena back in 2005.

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I mean, if you want to look at the ELO ratings then they are 93rd in the world. Go plus or minus ten spots, and that puts them with fellow CONCACAF teams Haiti, Jamaica and Trinidad and Tabago, El Salvador and Guatemals; lower tier European sides like Lithuania, Estonia, and Georgia; and then African sides like Gabon who have players playing for Juve and Dortmund among other top flight European sides.

And in 2005 we won the Gold Cup allowing only three goals...If yall wanna get upset and frustrated over MLS journeyman not having technical ability of Pulisic, then go right ahead.

If you want to complain about Bruce not calling the A team, then I'll listen. But the tactics fit the players and the way Martinique set up.

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I don't know when you posted this but really? Zardes may have made some mistakes but nothing atrocious and he was pretty much the creative focal point last game. He had a beautiful ball through to Morris which let us take three instead of one, the most dangerous passes, a handful of shots, and Morris left him out to dry on a beautiful run on the left flank uncovered because he wanted a hat trick.

I don't think his stock rises terribly but it certainly doesn't fall. If anyone, I think it was Agudelo who refused to lay the ball of and instead shot in traffic. That was just atrocious on his part.

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I'd call his first half atrocious at best. I lost track of how many times he passed the ball into no man's land. Blue shirts nowhere in sight. At least 3 crosses sent out of bounds. Shots that... if he was lucky enough not to send them towards the parking lot... dribbled straight into the keepers legs.

He had a bit better go of it in the 2nd half, but I honestly think he had a pretty bad game overall. Good assist for the 3rd goal, I give him that. But he could have given us 2-3 more.

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I tuned in at half. A lot of the recaps I've seen agree with you on the first half. Watch him from the half on and he has a totally different story.

EDIT: Biased source but they ranked Zardes the second highest on our side. https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/07/13/usmnt-player-ratings-morris-gy...

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That's an interesting take. That game was so ugly I'd have a hard time completing a ratings like this, personally. But the most obvious one I'd put over Zardes that isn't is Lichaj.

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I'd agree on Lichaj. Do take the article with a massive grain of salt. They really like hyping up MLS players.

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Lol and Martinique scores.

Guzan bungled the hell out of that one. But this is the same thing they did last game. Take the lead, almost immediately score. Thankfully, there was the insurance goal.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

Okay, I've always kinda liked Guzan but that was shockingly poor.

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i honestly don't get why guzan is getting so much time. why not let hamid or even johnson get some time against concacaf minnows? i've always been generally pro-guzan but after this past year i think some other options should be given serious looks

Guzan has looked in pretty poor form. That's 2 straight games with two highly questionable misses. I don't mind the ricochet goal but I really don't think he's bringing value to the squad.

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Tie game

Man this team is fucking terrible

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

Lol and the US go right down and score

This game is crazy. Unacceptably poor, but crazy nonetheless.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

And this is why I was wondering why we weren't putting out our best team.

We have nobody after our A team.

our top european based players (read: our top players) all have preseason coming up shortly so no point bringing them. playing teams like martinique shouldn't be a problem with your top mls/liga mx based players.

this is just a shokcingly bad performance

I'm surprised Miazga is on the roster, and disappointed he's not getting minutes. If he's there, I'm wondering why Palmer-Brown, Carter-Vickers, etc. aren't here.

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miazga i hope gets at least a game or two while he's around. carter-vickers i think genuinely has a chance to be spurs 4th CB this year depending how transfers shake out so probably good he's with spurs. palmer-brown would be an interesting one

The vast majority of the roster that Arena chose for this are guys that we already knew were failed experiments. We have a lot of exciting youngsters waiting for a shot, I'd like to know why a lot of them weren't called for this.

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There's a balance there though. Do you call up a majority of the U20 team and then proven young guys like Arriola, Morris, Acosta? Then when they get demolished by Panama senior team and struggle with Martinique and Nicaragua, media/fans blast them and they lose their confidence? Or, do you take the MLS journeymen and actually try and win a weakened field that will at least put you in a playoff for a Confederation Cup berth? I prefer the latter.

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zusi, zardes, corona, mccarty are names that could be replaced and one would realistically expect the same results so far and you already know what you've got from them.

ultimately i think it's more important to find players who can help in the qualifiers and could be useful in the feature.

A lot of our top youngsters are just starting their professional careers in Europe now as well. Their teams are hesitant to release them already for shitty competition.

I know that at least three of our top players could not play in their age group's World Cup because their contracts just started. These are 3 very talented guys that are looking at getting spots and playing time with Schalkes senior team this season as 18/19 year old's. We have many very quality juniors in the 17 to 20 age groups that just need to develop and assimilate to the faster and more physical play in senior competition.

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I will say, you know soccer has grow in this country when a Virginia Tech sports forum goes DEFCON 1 on the USMNT future after the "D" team wins a game.

Relax. It'll be okay. Deep breaths.

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That was a bad, bad performance no matter how you cut it. That game had nothing that I'd consider a positive for US soccer, except the jerseys.

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I consider winning positive. I will take the ugliest, sloppiest losses if they continue. 3 points is all that matters in hindsight.

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lol you don't need to defend bruce arena constantly. you can be critical of the team without going defcon 1

**whispers**

undefeated in 2017

Average team played to their average against an opponent that is highly underrated because they aren't a member of FIFA. People seem to not know that they beat Trinidad and Tobago (a team in the Hex mind you) to get to this point.

I'm not going to criticize Bruce until our best XI starts putting out poor performances consistently.

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you mean like the 2 ugly games against panama? the really bad one against mexico? and the sloppy dissapointing game against trinidad? dude arena is not a good coach and you shouldnt have to defend him because hes scraping by because when real opponents come around were screwed. he also seems to be reversing some of our player development and tactics, the guy is clueless and the only person who doesnt see it is landon donovan

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

Legit question: Who else would you want at the helm?

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Id give eddie howe a call. Great coach, spectacular manager and makes the most out of a little. plays a possesion based high pressing style and knows how to build a team from the ground up.

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

you mean like the 2 ugly games against panama? the really bad one against mexico? and the sloppy dissapointing game against trinidad?

You mean the games where we got an away point in hostile conditions against a good Panama team?

Or the one where we got only our third ever point at Azteca?

Or the one where Bruce made tactical changes at halftime and we bossed the game that half?

I didn't see the second Panama game...but it's with our reserves so I don't really give a damn about the result.

The Bruce hate is seriously undeserved. He gets results. He's proven that time and time again with the national team. It's not pretty. It's not sexy. But it works. And until it stops working when it's needed most, I won't mind it. The reality is, Bruce was the best we can do for the time and place. It was not time for another experiment. Backs against the wall in the Hex and we needed results (yes, even ties in Panama for those who that simply isn't good enough for).

Managing a national team isn't like a club team. You don't get the pick of the litter. There's a lot of turnover. Bruce is a smart coach. He's pragmatic. Structured. Discipline. Doesn't take unnecessary risks. Do I think he's the future...no. Do I want him to be the future...no. Would I be fine with him walking after we qualify in October. Yes. But until we see out qualifying, there isn't another manager in the world I would want on the US touchline.

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dude its not as if we suffocated mexico and panama, we were completely outplayed in both of those games. If we were preventing teams from even getting a look on goal id be ok, but weve been super lucky in about 4 games with shots hitting off the post and everything else breaking our way.

what i worry about is that arena will get an extension when he qualifies because he is the MLS golden boy and US soccer wants an american coach to succeed. that would be disastrous for us. Part of the reason we have this whole talent gap is because arena struggled to develop anybody late in his 1st tenure, and i see similar results in this gold cup (which lets be real is a chance to get fringe players and younger players playing time). Why do we have failed mls prospects (take gonzales for instance) playing instead of younger guys like miazga? this is a perfect chance to get him time and at least see what hes capable of.

Furthermore what organized US team have you been watching? Ive been watching a team thats been picked apart and held my breath more times than I can count lately. The defense in the gold cup has been atrocious and Mexico was let down by some poor finishing. We dont have great shut-down defenders nor do we have a spectacular keeper to bail us out anymore (sorry guzan youre no keller or howard), nor do we have clinical strikers who you expect to put away every chance

tl dr: his tactics arent great (4-4-2 is out for a reason), i dont see great organization from the team, hes terrible at developing and encouraging youth, and im not blown away by his results and dont understand the love fest he gets.

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

And most damning of all, he used to coach UVa

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Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

So say we all!

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If we were preventing teams from even getting a look on goal id be ok, but weve been super lucky in about 4 games with shots hitting off the post and everything else breaking our way.

Mexico had one shot on target...if anything, Mexico lucky Pulisic doesn't finish that late chance.

what i worry about is that arena will get an extension when he qualifies because

agreed

Part of the reason we have this whole talent gap is because arena struggled to develop anybody late in his 1st tenure, and i see similar results in this gold cup (which lets be real is a chance to get fringe players and younger players playing time).

Development isn't down to the national team coach. It's up to the clubs...there is certainly a discussion that USSF need better coaching throughout the nation. It's improving, but still needs to go further.

Why do we have failed mls prospects (take gonzales for instance) playing instead of younger guys like miazga? this is a perfect chance to get him time and at least see what hes capable of.

Gonzales is not a failed MLS prospect. He excelled at LA and then moved to a better league and has won Liga MX and the CONCACAF Champions League. Jury is still out on Miazga. Good season in Holland. Needs to follow it up in a better league. I do think he needs to play over Hedges/Besler.

Furthermore what organized US team have you been watching? Ive been watching a team thats been picked apart and held my breath more times than I can count lately. The defense in the gold cup has been atrocious and Mexico was let down by some poor finishing. We dont have great shut-down defenders nor do we have a spectacular keeper to bail us out anymore (sorry guzan youre no keller or howard), nor do we have clinical strikers who you expect to put away every chance

Again, a majority of these players are 6th/7th choice in the center and 3rd choice outside in the back. Howard is still firmly #1. And if you think Agudelo and Jordan Morris are going to be leading a line, it's just not happening. Again, probably 5th and 6th choice. Not to mention...Dom Dwyer has two in two appearances. If I had to guess, he'd be my pick for Russia 2018 up front.

his tactics arent great (4-4-2 is out for a reason), i dont see great organization from the team, hes terrible at developing and encouraging youth, and im not blown away by his results and dont understand the love fest he gets.

I agree with the 4-4-2 complaint, especially when strikers are bang average like Agudelo and Morris. Needs to go wider. I think we'll see more of that with the first team as it goes on. It's what suits our strengths. Play a lone striker, Pulisic off him in a false 9 role. I like wingbacks...Yedlin and Johnson really excel there, imo.

End of day...we haven't lost a competitive match since Bruce took over. Will probably change in the knockouts, especially if we don't get Bradley, Howard, Jozy, Clint, ect. in. The youth is there. I don't think it would have been smart to play them here and get battered by men. Easy them in with the first XI. Surround them with Fabian and Pulisic and Brooks ect, instead of Roldan, Dax and Hedges.

Interesting to keep an eye on Carter Vickers and de la Torre this season in England. Two names that I think are more talented enough right now than most everyone on this Gold Cup roster. One, if not both, could very well end up on the Russia roster or get called into October camp.

Again, I'm not a Bruce homer. I've said it multiple times here. I give him credit for what he does, which is get results. You can't argue with it. If we get less three points in the next set of qualifying games, then I'll change my tune and get on the BruceOut Brigade.

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agree to disagree on the mexico game and gonzales and the fact that theres a lack of youth on the gold cup roster. aside from that i think were on pretty much the same page, id really like to see us lure eddie howe in here though

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

Not a chance in the world, but I applaud the ambition

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we could outbid bournemouth

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

But would he want to coach a national team that isn't England? Just don't think the US is a destination job for a successful, young club manager from abroad. If you want to come over and "retire" in the states, I could see that, but at the height of the game, I don't think anyone would do that.

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could see it as a stepping stone maybe?

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

Methinks he's awful close to being on the list for a bigger team in England. Not sure one of the top 6 would take him, yet, but it's possible someone at the next tier would.

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could see it as a stepping stone maybe?

Maybe but coaching a national team would raise his global profile, but the day in, day out management rigors of national team vs club team are so drastic. Plus, he's Bournemouth through and through. I honestly don't see him leaving. He wants to get them to European football. He took them from the brink on falling out of the football league, to a 9th place top flight finish. Bournemouth is his DNA. It's where he made all but 2 of his senior team appearances in a 10+ year playing career. Honestly, with loyalty in football these days seeming to not exist, it's pretty refreshing to see.

I wish them well and hope Hyndman gets some burn this season. Just don't think he is top half quality unfortunately.

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That is seriously underestimating the power and money of the Premier League. The international game's power and prestige has really went downhill as well.

It's hard for anyone to convince me that Juergen didn't drastically improve our youth programs. You can see it in the quality of players like Pulisic and that age group is going to be in perfect position for a deep run at the 2026 World Cup on home soil. With that said, he was a terrible coach that obviously needed to go.

Rip his freaking head off!

I'm curious, why does everyone thinks Juergen improved our youth program and not the MLS stipulations on domestic players and allowances for home grown players? MLS teams are putting more money into youth development than ever before, in facilities, coaching licensing, and competitive fixtures. This allows for structured development with investments from teams on US soil that bring together the top athletes at the youth level and push them to get better.

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Coaching/development is better overseas. If a kid wants to be a professional Juergen showed he would take a look at young international talent perhaps favored over MLS development.

Unfortunately his missive about needing to play also encouraged some of our best mid career talent to come back home to the MLS, where I would say they have languished. Take Bradley for one. He was liked by the Roma coaching staff he just was not able to beat Pjanic out. Pjanic ends up at Juventus and Bradley someplace called Toronto.

Where do the best young players go? I think the answer has always been Europe. MLS for everyone else. Don't think Juergen changed that dynamic. He definitely screwed up the mid career guys. So when he erred tactically with an all bigs defense, the real guy who needs to go canned him. But the reality was there were a number of key players missing / hurt and that had alot to do with the US poor start in qualifying.

I'd rather Juergen still be pushing this thing, but I can't see anything but a mixed legacy for the guy. More players playing internationally is gonna be the thing that gets us over the hump IMHO. MLS leagues, academy development ... its all done in an athlete first win mentality. NFL, NBA dudes sure there were a few born to be there, but there were alot more who noone expected noone believed in... until we get that last set of kids a viable pathway to professional leagues, I don't think we'll have sufficient competition to promote holistic soccer player development on either the coaching or player side.

I enjoyed watching Zardes, Agudelo, and Morris. Very critical of the early touches especially for Morris. And Agudelo needs to tighten that D late in games. But these kids started to find each other with some decent passes, and some creative play. All against Martinique of course. But its something warm to remember as we get beyond the group stage.

The MLS is a major problem to the success of the USMNT. If our end game is to have the national team competing at a competitive level for the World Cup, we have to start allowing our professional league to operate at the same standards as the rest of the planet. First of all, we need the league to stop asserting control over every. single. move, that is made. I get why we originally adopted that, to allow parity to develop to allow the league's popularity to grow, but that is only going to hurt us at a national level.

The more I think about it, the best thing we could do is try to get CONCACAF and CONEMBOL to operate far more in line with each other. Allow the Copa America to be the EuroLeague of the Americas where you have Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Costa Rica, Mexico, and the US headlining a tournament that occurs between every World Cup. On top of that, have a Champions League of the Americas that is a legitimate season-long tournament for the top league teams of the Americas. If MLS relaxes its control enough for superteams to happen, hopefully that will allow us to have our players get experience against legitimately good competition and maybe bring up the profile of our national team to the point where legitimate WC runs are a reality.

Pipe dream, I know...

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There has already been talk of reducing the Gold Cup to a four-year cycle and making the Copa America a tournament that includes the best of CONCACAF & CONMEBOL during the mid-point between World Cups. There's a lot that needs to happen for it to become a reality though.

A Champions League of the Americas is a much bigger conundrum, and one that I don't see happening any time soon. People seem to forget how insane the travel for such a competition would be - for instance, a non-stop flight from Los Angeles to Sao Paolo, Brazil is TWELVE HOURS LONG.

Europe's geography is far more conducive to such a competition.

As far as making MLS more like the rest of the world? I disagree vehemently. I think we're a lot closer to the European game reaching a breaking point than some realize. Just read this article:

http://www.espnfc.us/english-premier-league/story/3155266/premier-league-clubs-failing-financially-losing-an-average-of-876,000-per-day-study

Basically, the cost to compete with the "haves" is becoming so astronomical that I think we're closer than ever to a permanent European Super League. The way television revenue is distributed in many of these leagues is designed to keep the wealthiest clubs at the top of the heap, and that can't be good for the long-term health of the game in some of those countries.

I do think that as MLS grows with ambitious and ever more wealthy ownership groups, you're seeing more loosening of the pursestrings. It's a gradual process though, which I think is a much better option than opening the floodgates.

Yes to all of this.

It's a gradual process though, which I think is a much better option than opening the floodgates.

Opening the floodgates kills the league and any real chance there is to make the average american care about soccer. You're already seeing symptoms of this in the NBA. 3 or 4 super teams form and people stop giving a shit about the league, watch a few games in the finals, and ignore the regular season.

The steady, positive growth of the MLS needs to continue for the long term health of the nation's youth talent.

EDIT: If you want to see what teams spend, check this out. Top team in terms of salary spends more than the bottom 4 combined.

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One problem with MLS is no relegation. Gives bottom teams no reason to try and put out a competitive team. They don't have to spend. Meanwhile, Huddersfield is splashing cash left and right preparing to fight to stay in the league.

EDIT: Also, the MLS regular season doesn't really matter. Playoffs so watered down. I HATE playoffs after a 30+ game season in soccer. It puts the better teams at a disadvantage.

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Both of these statement triggered me. Columbus has been the epitome of your first paragraph and I also haaaate the playoffs.

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See, I can twist this around easily. Since Huddersfield is trying to make sure they don't get relegated, they're spending money they don't yet have.

The people who espouse the virtues of pro/rel often forget just how much in debt some of these lower-table teams tend to be. That's not a great way to run a business.

I agree that the lack of relegation stagnates the bottom of the table. But the MLS isn't in a position to have relegation when they are still expanding their league. Until a healthy first tier is established and enough teams are at the second level that can compete, you won't see it.

I disagree with playoffs. They reward top teams by sending them through to the quarter finals, and allow teams that came on strong late with a signing or better team chemistry to actually compete for the MLS cup. And with 32 games, they come no where near the slog that is the MLB (162), NHL (82), or NBA (82). A game a week for 8 months isn't as bad as you make it sound.

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But the MLS isn't in a position to have relegation when they are still expanding their league.

Easily could do now.

18 team first division
18 team second division (could even do this regionally E/W)
40 team third tier (regionally E/W/N/S)

The teams are there. The owners will never agree to it and we're at a point where it's pretty much irreversible. But, you can throw the U23 teams into the third division to help their growth so they're not just playing kids.]

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Have you seen the demands MLS is making for expansion teams? There is no way that amount of money can just haphazardly be throw around without the promise of financial return.

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That's why you start expansion teams in the third tier or below. Don't have to pony up all that money, can reap the rewards depending on how much you invest. But it's never happening, which I have no doubt is not in the interest of growing the game.

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I've sat through those meetings and can tell you 100% that the MLS will never have relegation no matter what. It doesn't resonate with American fans, and the USSF would shoot it down immediately.

Rip his freaking head off!

I think MLS should take a page out of England's book, and make the playoff a completely different league tournament that happens throughout the year and finishes as the last game on the MLS calendar.

That way, a good team in the MLS could have the possibility to win a quad each year.
MLS Champions (finishing top points in MLS through the season)
MLS Cup Champions (winning the tournament)
US Open Cup (current format)
CONCACAF Champions League (current format)

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They do this already, it's just that nobody takes the first one seriously because its standings are used to determine who participates in the second one, so it's kind of seen as a prerequisite to the real reward and not its own thing.

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Understood, but that's because of the way it is set up. The playoff, in its entirety, comes after the regular season finishes, so the understood notion is that the regular season is meaningless and only sets up for the playoff. My suggestion is to run the two side-by-side to weight each the same. If you still want to appease people who think regular season performance should determine seed, then seed the next year's MLS Cup group play based on the regular season standings the year before. This would also require abolishing the MLS conferences, which I am 100% in favor of doing.

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I would love to see relegation but it would be so difficult to make it economically feasible for the USL and lower division teams to travel unless they split the US into multiple regions. The US is just so large.

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I didn't mean we should rip the Band-Aid off immediately and have it be the wild-west in MLS, but I would like to see a 10 or 20 year master plan where the league itself sets in motion plans to start weaning themselves away from the pulling of the strings. And I completely agree that there needs to be some kind of legitimate accountability for teams to become and remain competitive, either through relegation or some other means. But more importantly, the MLS needs to very seriously think about trying to align itself with the rest of the world in the soccer calendar. Even if contracts were able to be expanded and MLS teams were able to pay the salary of someone like Messi or Ronaldo, we'd never be able to secure it because our season occurs during the rest of the planet's offseason, and when most international tournaments are scheduled around those professional seasons, it just doesn't make sense for the elites to ever consider MLS, regardless of contract. I know the issues this would cause with football in the fall, but its a big problem that is going to hold back the MLS long-term.

But I still think there should be an exploration of a Champions League of the Americas. The CONCACAF Champions League right now is a joke, and teams treat it as such. The only way it is really going to get better is if it can be expanded beyond Liga MX and the MLS to better incorporate the elite teams of this hemisphere. Sure, there would be travel issues, as you have described, but I think there should be serious thought made into how to make it work, even if that means going toward a setup where you have to make MLS games reschedule on the fly based on Champions League availability. Just trying to think outside the box here.

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But more importantly, the MLS needs to very seriously think about trying to align itself with the rest of the world in the soccer calendar.

You only mentioned football being an issue, but you're also dealing with the heart of the NBA and NHL regular seasons too. Right now MLS already has the issue of starting during the most important time of year for the NBA & NHL (right before the playoffs) and finishing during the beginning of football. At least right now the league has a solid 3 month window where it's only competition for eyeballs is MLB. I'm also not sold that it really matters when the season ends or starts if the point is to acquire superstars. As long as Champions League football in Europe is the pinnacle of the sport, I think drawing superstars in their prime will always be a difficult task.

On top of that, you're putting a lot more of every season into a window where snow & cold weather affects roughly half the league (Upper Midwest, Northeast Corridor, Canada). Yes, cold weather can sometime affect the elites of European football, but it's not nearly as often as you'd run into in the US.

Can you imagine playing a game in Minnesota or Toronto in late January? Yes, the Bundesliga has a winter break, but even still there's been discussion in Germany about shifting the season. See here:

The Winter Break Debate

Ever since, there have been complaints. "It's silly that we don't play between mid-May and mid-August," Eintracht Frankfurt CEO Heribert Bruchhagen said in late 2010. "May and June are the best times for football. I don't like the fact that we have to finish the season so early because of the international match calendar."

...

In fact, when the club coaches met with then-national coach Franz Beckenbauer in February 1985 to discuss the state of things, the Kaiser presented an even more revolutionary plan than a long winter break: "Let's get rid of the summer break," he said.

Beckenbauer's plan was for Germany to emulate those Scandinavian countries where the season follows the calendar year and lasts from March to December. "The big international tournaments are staged during the summer, " he added, "and the national team would be in excellent shape at that time because the players will all be in mid-season form."

The Bundesliga coaches liked the idea and applauded Beckenbauer loudly. But at one point they must have realised that what was good for the national team wasn't always good for the clubs. At least not for those clubs who were regularly active in Europe, because they would have to contest the quarter-finals, usually played in March, during their pre-season preparations.

I also think a Champions League of the Americas is a fantastic idea (and maybe a well-funded, prestigious competition would make superstars think twice about where to play during their prime), but I just think there's too many impediments involved. Beyond the travel issue though, I think you'd have to get a massive amount of money involved in order to get clubs interested BECAUSE of the impediments. I think a lot of North & South American clubs would jump at the chance if the prize money is worth it.

Then there's the issue of economic stability and issues of corruption in the countries that would be involved in such an enterprise. That's a whole can of worms that's hard to break out here, but it's a real issue. Corruption is among the worst in the world in some of these CONMEBOL nations, and that would most definitely extend into football if there's enough money to go around.

Yet another (and maybe the biggest) issue you then run into... Can you sell the broadcasting rights across the Americas to at least break even for such a competition? I'm not sure to be honest. Do the Galaxy, Toronto FC, NYCFC and the like resonate in Brazil? Do River Plate, Boca Juniors, Santos, Flamengo or Corinthians move the needle in the United States? I'm not sure. I guess with the right marketing anything is possible, but I wonder who's going to pony up the money for such an experiment.

I did not know that about the Bundesliga. If that were to happen, and they did adjust their schedule to be more in line with what we are doing in the MLS, it would dramatically help our cause into eventually being a premier league internationally. The way it is now, it'll just never happen because we're out of alignment, but should someone else adjust, I almost wonder if it wouldn't ripple across Europe to where everyone plays in the warmest part of the year. Worth keeping an eye on.

As for the CL of the Americas, I think the #1 thing we have to get out of the way first and foremost is to get the agreement between CONCACAF and CONEMBOL to offer a joint Copa America on the 4 year cycle between World Cups. I get the worries about corruption, but this just seems like a win-win for everyone involved, and more importantly, after the Centenario, it seems like there is legitimate interest from CONEMBOL to make this happen. Should we get this to work, the foundation would already be in place to make something like the CL of the Americas more of a reality. And you know that the franchise owners in South America would look at the possibility of playing Champions League games in the US with dollar signs in their heads. And after you fund it for the first few years through ludicrous sponsor agreements which you KNOW they will pay, the checks will start writing themselves.

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I had a soccer game late last night so I was only able to see the first half, which was absolutely awful. Just had time to watch the second half this morning and....ugh. I will take three points but it doesn't get much worse. I'm not a Jordan Morris fan but he saved us from embarrassment last night. Let's just hope Saturday goes better.

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Forwards for World Cup: Pulisic (Underneath Playmaker), Jordan Morriss, Dempsey, Altidore and Wood, possibly Dom Dwyer. Gotta play Pulisic in the middle behind the striker. Not sold on Corona or Agudelo.

The Concacaf cup roster doesn't have good ball possessers. There is no sense of uergency. Don't trust the defense outside of Gonzalez and Villafana. Think its time to try Matt Miazga.

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If anyone missed it, French Guiana was stripped of their tie for starting Florent Malouda against Honduras. Will count as a 3-0 loss for them.

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Just a heads up for those watching the game tonight - kickoff is just after 7 pm ET on FXX.

Might seem like an odd channel for the game to be on, but apparently it has greater distribution than FS1.

People need their Simpsons!

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A 3-0 win that could have been much better but I must say, the final goal was a piece of beauty. Every single run was timed correctly and Bedoya hit the service perfectly. Not worried about the PK difficulty as we are bringing up guys for the quarters that are much more confident from the spot. At the end of the day we won the group which is what matters to me because I did not want to play PR.

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Can take Dom Dwyer out of England, but can't take the England out of Dom Dwyer.

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A little in/out/in/out shake it all about Hokie Pokie.

IN: Howard, Gonzalez, Nagbe, Bradley, Dempsey, Altidore
Out: Guzan, Johnson, Bedoya, Rowe, Roldan, Dwyer

Feel Bedoya would have stayed if wife wasn't giving birth this week. Interesting Dwyer is out instead of Agudelo. Jozy for Dwyer is a little more like for like than Agudelo, so I guess that's the thinking. Five first choice players in.. Team is probably even on talent with the Costa Rican side now for best in the tournament. Won't be surprised if we win it. Won't be surprised if we crash and burn in the Semis.

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Agudela has been AWFUL dont understand that one at all. Yesterdays performance was much better, capped off with a goal for miazga. feel like the sky is the limit for him

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

Gotta find a home first. Another year at Vitesse would be good or a loan/permanent move to a top half Championship side would do. Have a feeling he needs to leave Chelsea. I'm sure the paycheck is nice, but just being part of their loan factory isn't great for development.

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Timmy Howard!

Piss poor defending, but well done Timmy!

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Honestly, I couldn't even blame the defending, I'm not sure who sent the ball back to him but it was awful.

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Ugh. CONCACAF. Jozy is gonna stab a bitch tonight if this keeps up.

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El Salvador is falling to the ground when the winds shift and the refs are calling it all.

Unreal

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Are we utilizing a 3 in the back today? Looks like it at times but in possession not so much

What a beautiful set piece goal!

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Bradley is so good with his set piece delivery. Great finish there as well.

Now maybe ES will have to stop using the "dive and cheap shot our way to PKs" strat.

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Omar did just enough to get a head on that but that was one of the prettiest services I have ever seen. Props to the Cap for that.

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Hahahaha suck it, divers!

2-0! Lichaj with his first US goal!

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So does the Salvador keeper do his meg pushups at halftime or after the game?

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People are gonna talk about how our goals came from defenders. But hey, Jozy played life-size rock 'em sock 'em robots for 35 minutes to wear those guys down first. Glad we got on the board. Should be 3-0 but that's the reffing you get with these games. Good half overall.

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This ref is not ready for this stage. He is calling everything except the hard calls which sucks. He has unfairly awarded two yellows, missed awarding one, missed awarding a penalty OFF OF ADVANTAGE, and has totally mismanaged the game.

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We've also been playing decently despite the lack of possession. El Salavador is gassing themselves in the first half and wanted to push for an early lead. They are now feigning injuries to get breathers. Writing is on the wall for them.

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Studs up to the shin... Initially no penalty and then whistles a foul as ES is trying to cross

This ref is in over his head

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Sadly this ref is in prime CONCACAF form right now.

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He fucking bit Altidore. This ES team has 0 class.

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Altidore has more self restraint than me. I would have turned and put a fist in his temple.

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Super dirty there. But why did he flop to the ground like that? I know you have to sell it too, but surprised he didn't just turn and go off on him.

Other leagues use video replays. If you go to ground and none of the refs saw what happened, they can buzz the replay. While Altidore wasn't hurt, that is what he was going for and would have resulted in a red for Moreno.

The play just previous to this (literally 15 or 20 seconds before), the ES player game Jozy a titty twister and Jozy got up in his face and the ES player flopped as if he was hit. ES was trying to draw the USA into getting cards. They were straight scumbags last night.

EDIT:

EDIT 2: I forgot to finish my point because I went into rage mode. CONCACAF is not well run at all. They do not permit/utilize video replays. While this ticky tacky stuff happens at all levels, there were 4 very clearly shown instances of red card text book behavior. This was also a severely under prepared refereeing crew and it was tough to see USA stars getting man handled with no way to protect themselves.

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I'M SO FUCKING DONE! THERE WAS A SECOND GODDAMN BITE LAST NIGHT! WTF!!!

https://streamable.com/amp_player/rie18 (Link has sound, couldn't embed)

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I count 4 straight red card offenses from ES last night. Two bites (yes, Luis Suarez knows that refs can't catch those all the time), a punch/slap, and a studs up challenge to the shins.

ES SHOULD get punished hard for this, but CONCACAF is pretty useless so we'll see.

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Shout out South American soccer. Worst sports culture in the world.

I've seen you reference South American twice now. Let's be accurate and call it Central America. In South America, you see a whole lot more respect between opponents. The Brazil's, Chile's, Argentina's, Uruguays, ect of course have their bad eggs, but overall, play beautiful football and don't result to dirty tactics. Central America, especially central, Central America (Guatemala and El Salvador in particular) is dirty.

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Are you serious?

The guy twists Altidores nipple and then flops as if he got hit. Then he bites Altidores arm immediately afterwards on the ensuing corner.

Man, this is embarrassing. And the worst thing is that the US is now in danger of getting carded all over the place because this ref let the game get out of control, which will only hurt them in the next game.

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And now a punch to Morris on the break.

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It was a well done liver punch.

These "new guys" needed to connect up a bit better and they could have used a more continuous second half. Gonna be a struggle next game if we don't play better. Haven't been impressed with Bruce's practice regimen. They just look rusty.

I say we put in the 3rd string GK and let him go out and throat punch that dude.

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Honestly if I were Altidore I'd have gladly taken the ejection for a solid ass beating by now.

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This ref has no fucking balls. ES knows they are done and want to hurt the US. He has to protect the team even if it means throwing cards like a fucking yugioh episode.

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He's already in his car on the way home in his mind. Pointing at players across the field to card them. This is how refs lose control. You call him to you. The player listens. You card him. He doesn't listen? Card him a second time for dissent.

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Oh now that we're at the 80th minute NOW it's ok to start carding. Not for the punching or biting, no that would have been unfair at that time.

What a CONCACAF joke

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I only stayed up past the 70th minute to see some white shirts get sent off. Should have known better.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Jozy and Clint were both saints that game. Hard to get anything going when you are being fouled, bit, and "twisted" as the commentating team put it.

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Forwards don't always have to score goals. I hate seeing forwards, especially big, physical central forwards be killed for not scoring goals. They put in the dirty work and 90 minute shifts against the center backs opening spaces for the creative types. Very underrated role.

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This Olivier Giroud fan can't agree more.

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he of the meaty French forehead

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Agreed. I was more referencing the second half where they would get two touches then an ES defender would cut their legs out.

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Definitely think Hedges and Morrow need to not be starting next game.

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Morrow was getting forward rather well, his defense lacked somewhat but could be an alright reserve for future games.

I was really underwhelmed with Hedges. He looked frustrated all night and made some speculative passes and tackles.

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My god the memes that will come of this... gotta love Jozy right now.

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I saw that too.

That may be one of the greatest US soccer quotes ever, to be honest.

I'll one up that.

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I do wonder how much sway the US and Mexico have within CONCACAF. You know the USSF has got to be royally pissed off at what happened last night and the blatant disregard for dignity that ES showed throughout the second half when they were clearly trying to bait the US into some cards. And I have to imagine that Mexico has seen enough of their fair share of this crap to be fed up with it as well. I know CONCACAF is corrupt, but money talks, and the US and Mexico have A LOT of money invested into that federation.

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If I'm the US, Mexico, hell toss in Canada, Jamaica, and Trinidad & Tobago, I'm yelling to the high heavens for VAR right now. Your top end teams in the region are just getting abused by smaller teams who play dirty. There are 3 or 4 ES players who should be banned for quite a while from CONCACAF games for their displays. You can't have people out there intentionally committing fouls like this to instigate.

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More importantly, if you're the US, Mexico, and Costa Rica, you have to be extremely worried what kind of precedence displays like last night have in the big picture when you talk about World Cup qualifying and potential seeding. You allow teams like ES to go rogue like that (and lets be honest, they were deliberately targeting key US players) they're eventually going to draw yellows and reds, which has massive impact on future games, which very well can and will derail WC efforts.

VAR needs to be in place at a bare minimum. There also needs to be a massive focus on eliminating the kind of embellishment we saw last night. Going down easy is one thing, and at this point its a part of the accepted gamesmanship of the sport, but ES took it to a whole other level that made the game almost unwatchable. If we want this sport to be viewed upon as a serious thing in North and Central America by outsiders, we need to start acting like its a serious thing.

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Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

Great start so far for the good guys. Just got to put one of these chances away!

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Obviously would have liked to see a goal, but overall a positive half. Where is this Nagbe always? When he adds this energy this is a different team.

Half time check in. Despite the lack of results, I like how we are playing.

I normally criticize the ref, but this center ref has been phenomenal so far. He has missed a few very marginal calls but has really kept a clean, fair game without dominating play, Refreshing after El Salvador.

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Will echo the overall satisfaction with that half. The starting lineup is pretty close to what I'd have picked, and they're putting in a good performance so far. Hopefully the goals will come next.

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Thought about it more. I'd like to see Lichaj over Zusi, but Villafana and Besler are much preferred over Hedges and Morrow.

Looking for Clint to come in later to close this out.

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Good lord that turn and pass by Clint. Awesome finish by Jozy too. Great goal.

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What a pass by Deuce and a fantastic finish by Jozy to end the drought.

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Clint with the turn and dish. Jozy with the finish and the celebration yellow card. St. Louis Hokie with the stand up and fist pump.

We all did our part.

DEUCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

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Are we calling him deuce when he's wearing 28? /s

Wonderful goal. He was celebrating before the ball touched the net.

Deuce is more than a number. It's a swagger. He is the embodiment of Deuce.

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I freaking love Dempsey, and Donovan's finally matched at the top of the list.

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Probably the best overall team performance since Arena took the reigns.

Obviously we know that Jozy and Dempsey played their parts, but I struggle to find a weak link today. Bradley, Accosta, Arriola and Nagbe bossed the midfield. Morris looked dangerous, just needs the final touch. Besler and Omar were more or less solid in the middle, while Villafana was a much improved LB for us. Would still like to see Lichaj over Zusi, but Zusi wasn't horrible. TImmy was immense when asked. There were breakdowns, but I wouldn't say anyone had a particularly bad performance. Great game from US I'd say.

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Dempsey is really going to break the record as he wins the final against Mexico, isn't he?

We will see. If he's coming off the bench again, it all depends on circumstance. If we are up on El Tri, Bruce may want to bring in younger players to see how they play. If we are even or down, he's likely to be a big piece of the puzzle to score. I really think he's more of a distributor now compared to when he was playing a decade ago for us. He's lost a bit of his step but has a ton more skill to his play now.

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Nope lol

Dempsey was wonderful off the bench today. Second half sub may be the best role for him. He's fresh enough and changes the pace of the game. Would have loved to see a better run of play from Acosta. He seemed to be a little lacking tonight but still decent enough. 6/10. I know we wanted to rest Jozy but Morris really should have come off before him.

Shout out to this ref crew. Some iffy calls but they managed the game spectacularly.

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We finally use the middle of the field in the attacking third, and two goals quickly follow. I'm no big time manager like Bruce, but maaaaybe we should do more of that instead of just running up the wing and crossing to no one. I realize we're without our star CAM, but Nagbe seemed to do well in the middle once he slid over, and of course Deuce was just filthy. Let's hope that continues into the Mexico game.

We finally use the middle of the field in the attacking third, and two goals quickly follow. I'm no big time manager like Bruce, but maaaaybe we should do more of that instead of just running up the wing and crossing to no one.

Easier to do when you play a better team like Costa Rica who want to play a football match and go toe to toe with you instead of bunker down and totally park the bus. This is partly why the US "struggle" sometimes in CONCACAF. Teams just set up shop and hope for a point and hit off a counter/mistake. Costa Rica actually play very good football at times and don't back down.

Great result...eases concerns about September qualifier. I know Costa Rica were without a few guys for injuries, but we were missing a host of first teamers too.

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instead of bunker down and totally park the bus.

Kind of like we did against Mexico a few weeks ago? Hm.

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I wouldn't say we parked the bus. We were definitely more defensive, but bus parking is having no motivation to go forward. We had motivation in Mexico. We had more shots on target than them. People seem to forget this.

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USA vs Mexico Jamaica in the Gold Cup Final....

Impressive showing by Jamaica tonight. That defense and goaltending combo is gonna be tough for the Yanks on Wednesday. I think it's time to officially anoint Jamaica into the upper echelon of CONCACAF teams.

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Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

Jamaica scares me, they are on a mission. They didn't even celebrate that goal, cause they know they got another game coming. I envy the psyche of that team.

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Just watched the highlights from the Jamaica game. The goalkeeping in that thing was unreal. The sequence where the Jamaican keeper stayed with the deflection and got it with his foot then immediately parries the heavily screened shot off the rebound was impressive. From the reverse angle I'm not even convinced he ever saw the ball on the second save.

Felt like maybe the Mex goalie could have made some effort on the goal? felt to me like he gave up on it. The total lack of celebration after the goal was scary. That team's not interested in being done.

Blake is pretty nuts and has flown under the radar for a while. Lots of people want him to get a shot at the PL now but I don't know if he played to that level.

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Since it was discussed further up the thread, apparently the MLS has rejected a $4 billion media rights deal from MP & Silva that would require relegation/promotion. A reason it was rejected was because they contractually can't enter into negotiations at this time.

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