ACC Bowls 2017

I found this tweet last night, and thought it would be a good resource when we start arguing about which bowl the Hokies are likely to play in.

Since it's a bit small...

1.) CFP (if ACC teams are selected) - Rose and Sugar Bowls
2.) Orange Bowl - ACC champ or highest ranked team not selected for CFP
3.) New Year's Six - Peach, Fiesta, and Cotton Bowls
4.) if the Big Ten plays in the Orange Bowl - Citrus Bowl
5.) Camping World Bowl (formerly Russell Athletic Bowl)
6.) Tier 1 (equal selection) - Belk, Sun, and Pinstripe Bowls, plus Taxslayer or Music City Bowl
7.) Tier 2: Military Bowl
8.) Tier 2: Independence Bowl
9.) Tier 2: Quick Lane Bowl
10.) If the ACC still has bowl eligible teams but other conferences don't - St. Petersburg and Birmingham Bowls

Overall, the only difference from last year is that the RAB changed its name.

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We should be at least aiming for the New Year's Six

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Agree, Come on Let's get the New Years six

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Already booked my tickets to Pasadena. Never been to the Rose Bowl, should be fun.

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Right comment, wrong thread?

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I think you may be a bit lost here. The cheese on apple pie thread is that way. ----->

Yes, you can eat pie in a bowl, but not these kind of bowls.

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Man, the ACC has terrible bowl tie-ins. The bowl tie-ins and the missing the boat on the ACC Network are two things I will never forgive Swofford for. He has totally failed in those areas.

Nonsense...the Sun Bowl tie-in has been a tremendous success for the conference /s

Looking at what the other conferences have, I don't see where the ACC is worse off than other conferences. There's only so many bowls that can be "good" or "prestigious", and when you're already down to the fifth team in your conference, there's not a lot of wiggle room.

I mean, I agree that the ACC shouldn't be in the Sun Bowl, because it's a rather extreme outlier. And it didn't help that we lost the CFA/Peach Bowl to the New Year's Six. The RAB/Camping World Bowl just doesn't have the prestige.

And this year, as long as there's enough teams from the other conferences to fill their spots, all of our bowls except for the Military Bowl are against power 5 teams.

Agreed.

The only other bowl game I imagine that the ACC would be somewhat interested in is the New Orleans Bowl. They'd have to up their level for it to be of any real value though. Another issue is that it's not really in the footprint, so it really is a better fit for the Sun Belt.

I think the bowl landscape is going to get very interesting in the next 5 years though. I wouldn't be shocked to see places like Minneapolis, Las Vegas, and Los Angeles get bowls so that those venues get another day of use. As sad as it might be to see a little bit more college football history go by the wayside, it's hard to see how bowl games in El Paso, Shreveport or Mobile can compete.

I get Minneapolis has a dome, but a bowl game there does not seem like much of a prize

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Losing the Gator/Taxslayer as an ACC guaranteed bowl wasn't ideal. Granted, Jax isn't a premier destination, but it is Florida, not difficult to get to, and more prestigious than all the Tier 1 bowls.

How does the ACC get this bowl? Has any ACC team gone recently?

Edit: My bad, just realized GT went last year. I guess the ACC agreed in 2015 to a 6-year term to have 3 bowls with an ACC or ND representative. The other 3 years are B1G.

Still kinda sucks.

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Technically, it's still a tier 1 bowl. The problem is we have that split deal where we share the spot with another conference. That, and the bowl really lost its prestige when it gave up the Gator name.

At least when the Peach Bowl turned into the Chick-fil-a Bowl, they positioned it on the New Year's Eve spot, and boosted it with the #2 ACC team. Plus, at the time, that team was usually on par with the #5 SEC team, so it made for some decent matchups. So, it sucked that they took away the name, but at least the games (and sponsor's food) were good.

It has since changed to "Chick-fil-a Peach Bowl". Still a sponsor in the name, but back to having "Peach" there which helps retain the prestige.

Actually, getting added to the New Year's Six (which necessitated the return of "Peach") is what gave it its current prestige.

Honestly, having it as Chick-Fil-A kept its prestige. Those spicy chicken biscuits...i mean...come on

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Which bowls/locations would you prefer? Miami, Atlanta, Charlotte, New York City are all good locations for bowls. Yeah, El Paso and Shreveport suck, but the conference wasn't that good and didn't have much to negotiate with when these bowl deals were made.

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Detroit sucks, Birmingham sucks, El Paso sucks, Shreveport sucks. Bowls should be in destination cities like NYC or in warm fun states like FL.

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or the Skyline Chili bowl right here in Cincy! The name works so well. I always thought if two teams are 0-?? someone should host a toilet bowl and give them the chance to get a win. Not sure how many teams would participate, but at least UVa could have something to do around the holidays.

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Okay, then where would you like to see a bowl game where there's not one already?

Las Vegas. Ya I know they already have a game but once they finish their NFL stadium they need to be in the NY6 rotation. Vegas for New Year's would be ultimate.

Edit: Whoops - meant to be a response to Fireman's post

Does city have to have an NFL stadium? Or would one the size of existing bowl games such as Birmingham do?

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I don't think there's a lot of rules regarding where a bowl game can be played.

I meant in your hypothetical question.

With no rules here is a list of cities I would like to see bowl games in(no order): Charleston, Memphis, Nashville, Savannah/Hilton Head area, Daytona, Miami, Austin, Houston, New Orleans, Panama City, St. Petersburg, Tampa, Bermuda, Bahamas, Puerto Rico.

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Eight of those locations already have bowls, some more than one (Memphis, Nashville, Miami, Houston, New Orleans, St. Pete, Tampa, and Bahamas). The ACC has tie-ins to two of them (Music City Bowl in Nashville and Orange Bowl in Miami), with a conditional deal to a third (St. Pete). Bowls in Austin and Charleston have been proposed.

We have tie ins with some but they are low on the picking order, part time bowls for others. Some of the cities have bowl games but no ACC ties. Instead we have shithole bowl locations like Detroit, El Paso, Birmingham, Shreveport YEAAAA.

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Other than El Paso, all of the other bowls are at the bottom of the list. In other words, if you're going to a bowl in those cities, shut up and enjoy the fact that you're in a bowl game.

The actual pecking order of ACC bowl cities:

1.) Miami
2.) Orlando
3-6.) Charlotte/NYC/El Paso/Nashville or Jacksonville
7.) Shreveport
8.) Annapolis
9.) Detroit
10.) St. Pete (conditional)
11.) Birmingham (conditional)

Yet none P5 schools have some better bowl locations. The ACC needs to do better.

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Okay, so what currently existing non-ACC bowl should the ACC try to make a deal with?

The only "good" bowls I see that we don't have a piece of is the Outback Bowl (SEC vs. B1G in Tampa) or Liberty Bowl (SEC vs Big 12 in Memphis). Most of the rest of the bowls are either low-tier or way out west.

Define low tier? For me I don't care what history is I care about location of bowl game for taking a trip to. I'd rather see the team in a 25,000 seat stadium in the Bahamas than a 81,000 seat Detroit.

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Low tier can refer to low payout, bad location, bad date, or historically has been relegated to 6-6 teams.

Also bowls are in tiers now not order.

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Really, only tier 1 is a nebulous group.

For tier 2, we still have to fill them in the order of Independence, Military, and Quick Lane. Probably due to not always having enough bowl eligible teams.

Destination bowls are for winners.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

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Problem: lower tier bowls are in places we don't want to go
Solution: win

Detroit sucks, Birmingham sucks, El Paso sucks, Shreveport sucks. Bowls should be in destination cities like NYC or in warm fun states like FL.

I mean, I don't disagree, but what city/bowl do you think Swofford should've gotten that he didn't? Is there a bowl game in a good location that is currently taking a 6/7 SEC vs 6/7 B12 team instead of a 4/5/6 ACC team?

Swofford can't create bowl games in better cities. Can you point out a specific bowl game that you think the ACC should have gotten, but didn't?

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The big bowls are great. Any acceptable. For lower tier bowls I thought Annapolis was AWESOME. Also really enjoyed Nashville and Charlotte.

Personally, I don't like us in lower tier bowls played in the same city as a big bowl (Miami, New Orleans, etc).

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I agree to a point.

The Orange Bowl deal with the Big Ten where we would potentially be locked out of the New Year's Six is ridiculous. Every other conference has a permanent tie-in to those games every year, with a guaranteed backup plan if their bowl is in the playoff. With the ACC, we're kinda boned if the Orange just decides it doesn't want us one year. I would be absolutely livid if VT managed to win the ACC this year and wound up in the Citrus because the Orange just felt like going with the Big Ten instead.

I also hate the sweetheart deal that ND has where they are able to take the ACC's place in any of the major games. I probably am mistaken here, but I believe that also comes with a nice clause where they either don't have to share their proceeds, or they get a significantly higher share of the proceeds than the rest of the ACC for that appearance.

I also don't particularly care for the Sun Bowl. Wish we still were involved with the Gator, instead. Also wish we could have somehow kept a tie-in with the Peach, even with them bumping up to NY6 (especially with the B1G clause the OB has).

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With the ACC, we're kinda boned if the Orange just decides it doesn't want us one year.

No, we're not.

First, the ACC champ goes to the Orange Bowl unless they (or the OB) are in the CFP. If the Orange Bowl is one of the semis, then the ACC champ gets bumped to one of the other NY6 bowls.

Second, the Orange Bowl doesn't pick the teams anymore. The playoff committee is responsible for selecting the 12 participants of the New Year's Six bowls.

I think you might be confused about the Orange Bowl. The ACC is guaranteed to place a team in the Orange Bowl (or another NY6 bowl if the Orange is a CFP semi) every year, that is the one bowl game that ND does not gain access to through their agreement with the ACC (and we don't share NY6 revenue with them, they get their own payout straight from the CFP).

The thing with the B1G and the Orange Bowl is if a B1G team is selected to be the ACC's opponent, the B1G gives up their bid in the Camping World Bowl to the ACC.

the B1G gives up their bid in the Camping World Bowl to the ACC.

Citrus Bowl. We already have CWB.

if a B1G team is selected to be the ACC's opponent, the B1G gives up their bid in the Camping World Bowl to the ACC.

Does anyone know the rational behind this? Why would the opponent matter. Doesn't really make that much sense, at least from the Orange Bowl point of view.

Maybe it's the contractual agreement between B1G and Citrus? And Citrus doesn't want a diluted B1G opponent, so it goes with an ACC team if a B1G goes to the Orange?

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Makes sense. Citrus also gets the first pick of the SEC after the NY6.

Even though it isn't a warm weather bowl, I thought Nashville was a blast at the inaugural Music City Bowl and would like to go again.....double edged sword since it means we didn't have a great season.....maybe MCB could move up.

Also, with the Raiders moving to Las Vegas, I look for them to get a pretty good bowl with the new stadium and great destination. Wouldn't mind a bowl game there.

I too loved the Nashville bowl. Downtown was great. May have been the most miserable game I've ever sat through due to weather though. Drank 3 asspocketsfullaofwhiskey and was still froze. I would still love to go back

I thought Nashville was a blast at the inaugural Music City Bowl and would like to go again.....double edged sword since it means we didn't have a great season.....maybe MCB could move up.

It's in Tier 1, it can't really move up. Folks have to stop thinking of the bowls in Tier 1 from top to bottom. They're all together side by side.

Except I'm pretty sure the Sun Bowl is treated a bit like the hot potato of the group.

I'll take any of the bowls on the top two lines.

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Is it too early to start thinking about the bowl pecking order?

Right now, if sort all of the bowl eligible teams by record, we get:

Miami 8-0
Clemson 8-1
VT 7-2
NC State 6-3
UVA 6-3

That puts us on the extreme fringe of NY6, but we could be right there for the Camping World Bowl.

I don't think it's looking good for the ACC to get the Citrus Bowl bid from the Big Ten. Too many SEC teams and Notre Dame ranked highly.

Odds are good that Clemson and Miami both get NY6 bowls (most likely a semi-final and Orange Bowl). That puts us currently at the top of the ACC list. Technically, NC State or UVA could be selected before us, but I don't see any reason why UVA would ever be selected ahead of us in a bowl selection.

seeing LOLUVa on that list made me throw up in my mouth a little. I hope we end their season on such an embarrassing loss that no team wants to touch them with a ten foot pole.

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BC, Wake, and Louisville are the next three up to be bowl eligible, and I'm sure they would bump UVA down the list.

But it's looking very possible that the ACC could end up with more bowl ineligible teams than those going bowling. GT is 4-4, only three games left (VT, Duke, UGA). Wake and Duke could go into their season ending game with a winner-go-bowling trophy.

Just based on the location, I imagine UVA will be headed to the Military bowl.

Syracuse and FSU (if they play the ULM game) still have a shot at becoming bowl eligible. Syracuse needs 2 wins from Wake/Louis/BC and FSU needs to beat UF/Del St/ULM which seems possible.

I hope FSU does get to schedule that ULM game and that ULM pulls a Troy and beats them anyway.

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Alternately, if UF gets their shit together for just 4 hours this entire season, and wrecks FSU at the end of the month. There's never a guarantee in college football, but I think Del. State is about as close to a gimme as possible.

ULM at FSU finally got officially rescheduled for 12/2 at noon.

ULM is currently 4-5, with Auburn, Arkansas State, and FSU left on the schedule. Both teams could be playing for a bowl that day.

on 12/2, we are all Warhawks

TIL: University of Louisiana-Monroe's mascot is the Warhawk.

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Sadly, I think Camping World is now our ceiling. Klempson to CFP, Miami and ND to Orange and NY6, Big Ten to Citrus, that leaves VT or NCSU to Camping World assuming both VT and NCSU win out.

Camping World or Belk is the most likely.

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Belk loves us. They would be happy to fill the stadium with our fans again. And, honestly, I don't think our fans would really mind it either. If you're not going to make it to one of the big boy bowls, at least go to one local that puts on a good show.

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All about the location. Pin Stripe in NYC, Belk in Charlotte, or Music City in Nashville are all easy to get to and in fun cities. I'd be happy with any of those, and would honestly prefer them to Orlando.

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Music City would be a lot of fun.

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Would love it if the hokies came to nyc!!!

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Doesn't Belk pick at the same time as Music City? If so I'm hoping for the latter, for the change of pace and so I can experience a new city.

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Yup, see top post regarding tier 1.

I only see one case of a team going to back-to-back Belk Bowls, and that was Cincinnati before the current set up.

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If Memphis beats UCF in American champ game, maybe we face them?

Post Week 11 ACC Bowl standings.

9-1 -- Clemson
8-0 -- Miami
7-3 -- NC State, Virginia Tech
6-4 -- Wake, Louisville, UVA

Assuming ACCCG winner in CFP and loser in Orange Bowl, that means that the ACC currently has enough teams to fill the CWB and all Tier 1 bowls. If the ACC gets the Citrus Bowl, we still need one more team to fill out Tier 1.

Whichever bowl ends up with the first choice after the New Year's Six can pick from any of the available teams, since everyone is within one win.

BC and GT are both sitting at 5 wins.

Checking out potential New Year's Six bowls based on the latest AP poll.

Semis will be #1 Alabama, #3 Oklahoma, #5 Wisconsin, and the #2 Clemson/#4 Miami winner. The SEC, Big 12, and Big Ten champs will not be displaced. Orange Bowl will be Clemson/Miami loser vs. #6 Auburn. The displaced Pac-12 champ will be either #12 USC, #15 Washington State, #16 Washington, or #20 Stanford. G5 rep is #14 UCF.

That leaves room for 4 true at-large teams, currently projected as #7 Georgia, #8 Ohio State, #9 Notre Dame, and #10 Oklahoma State.

Once more, with the actual rankings that matter.

Semis will be #1 Alabama, winner of #2 Clemson/#3 Miami, #4 Oklahoma, and #5 Wisconsin.

Orange Bowl is loser of ACCCG vs. #6 Auburn.

Pac-12 champ is displaced, which will either be #11 USC, #14 Washington State, #18 Washington, or #22 Stanford.

G5 rep is still UCF, now #15.

The 4 true at-large teams are #7 Georgia, #8 Notre Dame, #9 Ohio State, and #10 Penn State.

Man, that would be a tough group of teams to place in bowls. #7 and 8 have already played each other, and so have #9 and 10. Notre Dame would have already played two of the possible Pac-12 teams.