Is VT-WVU the biggest rivalry nobody remembers?

Twelve years is a long time to let a rivalry rest. So long that most of the players at VT were younger than 8 years old the last time they met. According to Cam Phillips, when Fuente asked the team who knew anything about the VT-WVU rivalry, nobody raised their hand.

Has everybody forgotten this rivalry?

This isn't just a dusty trophy for older fans. These teams have slugged it out a few times when it meant something, and both teams have gotten a piece of each other. There was the Miracle in Morgantown, where VT had to score in the last 1:15 in order to remain undefeated in the regular season and make it to the National Championship game.

The games in the early 2000's were epic, where either VT or WVU were ranked in the top 10 and the other had the opportunity to cost the other their ranking. The last meeting between the two teams was in 2005, a season where VT cost WVU a perfect season in order to get the Black Diamond Trophy. It's been in Blacksburg ever since.

While VT currently has the Black Diamond Trophy, people have to know the history in order to appreciate the significance of it. The Black Diamond Trophy will be up for grabs when these two teams meet this year, as well as in a home-and-home series in 2021 and 2022. In this year's match, both teams have something to prove. I'm just not sure they realize it yet.

I'm guessing the winning team will be the one whose players take the time to look at some old video, which should provide the inspiration to dig just a little deeper at some point in the game when they need to.

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Isn't the same thing going to happen to Texas and aTm?

Texas is weird and sometimes likes to not consider aTm as their rival in favor of OU, similar to Michigan, MSU, and anOSU. I think VT and WVU both equally consider each other rivals.

Recruit Prosim

Just to make sure I am understanding your logic:
Texas is weird because they consider OU (a better team over the years) their rival even though A&M is in-state.
Michigan is weird because they consider anOSU (a better team over the years) their rival even though MSU is in-state.
VT is not weird because we consider WVU (a better team over the years) our rival even though ODU is in-state.
Just admit it, we're weird!

We are weird. But I would rather play UVA every year over WVU

Recruit Prosim

UVa is definitely VT's rivalry. They're just not all that good at football.

WVU had the makings of a pretty good one before VT changed conferences and didn't play them anymore. The fan emotions are certainly there.

The thing that makes the UVA rivalry so great is because is stems beyond geography, and is really a reflection of the universities, and the people they attract. Virginia Tech is land grant institution, prides itself on it's engineering program. UVA was founded by an individual (a wealthy aristocrat) and prides itself on its business program. On the other hand, WVU, also a public land grant institution that focuses on sciences and research, is very similar to (though clearly of a lesser quality than) VT.

The WVU rivalry ended before my time, which sucks, because I'm sure it was amazing to see Rich Rod and Bud face off every year. Personally, I'd like to see this rivalry start up again, and preferably replace of the ECU rivalry.

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So would Richmond

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According to Cam Phillips, when Fuente asked the team who knew anything about the VT-WVU rivalry, nobody raised their hand

This is the same thing that happened to LOLUVA when Bronco asked the team does anyone know about the VT-LOLUVA rivalry.

Let's Go


In Bronco's case, it was right after he had these guys give a talk.

I remember suffering through quite a few L's from them, 3 of which were while I was in school. They were usually pretty good when Don Nehlen was there. The only win that would give me more satisfaction is the LOLUVA game.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

This would be a great rivalry if the WVU fans weren't prone to treating visitors with violent, disgusting and abusive behavior. VT's most historic and bitter rival was always VMI until VT went big time in the 70's. I attended the last beatdown of VMI in the early 80's also and could only feel pity for those boys trying to hang with Bruce Smith and company. That rivalry ended, as it should have. I would be perfectly content for the VT/WVU rivalry to end as well so long as that university refuses to publicly condemn and prosecute their fanbase for the criminal acts that gave CFB and ADJW reason aplenty to discontinue the series.

TL;DR. Nobody wants to visit Morganhole.

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And I was at the last football game we lost to VMI. It was unexpected, but it happened. Being a Highty Tighty in 68-69, I vividly remember VMI as a legitimate, and worthy rival, as they had been for decades. The rivalry was spirited and lively, but never did it devolve into the cesspool that WVU brought to the table. I still, to this day, feel a kindred spirit thing with VMI, but WVU can sink into a sinkhole for all I care. VMI was a worthy opponent, and our growth and dominance didn't denigrate their program, but obviously, it destroyed our rivalry definitively.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

My thoughts exactly. It kinda sucks that our two main in state rivals can no longer compete with us, but FUCK WVU. Never want to be associated with them in anyway. Let them form a football rivalry with KansaS. I would rather play ECU, or the direction school of dentistry. FUCK WVU. I'd let them have the damn trophy if it meant we never play in Morganhole again. FUCK WVU. It is not a rivalry because a rivalry requires some degree of mutual respect, and I have none for them. FWVU

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Not sure what you are saying here.... /s


I'd rather be at the Rivah.

I have friends that are Oklahoma fans. They say it had gotten tremendously better.
We will see

I grew up in WV and everything I've heard is that they aren't as bad as they were in the early 2000's. Believe it or not, there are WVU fans who don't like that behavior or the rep it got them, and those people say that the scene is improving.

I'm really hoping I don't see Tech fans being hostile to passersby in blue and gold in Landover because of experiences they had in Morgantown 15 years ago.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

I went to the recent-ish VT-WVU basketball game in Morgantown. Granted it was basketball and I didn't talk to any students, it was not hostile at all. I actually had some good conversations with WVU alumni and had a somewhat enjoyable experience other than the loss. We didn't get heckled or yelled at walking into the stadium either.

Still I would rather not play them in football at WVU.

"Facyson is a baller."

That's good to hear. The last time I heard of an incident in Morgantown I think it was basketball, once again things being thrown out of the student sections. I don't remember how long ago this was but there was a lot of talk about moving the students section to a location that they couldn't cause as much havoc/reducing the allotment of student tickets.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

I'll believe things are changing when I stop hearing their fans boast about how this type of behavior makes them one of the most feared places to play.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

I get that many here have had bad experiences in Morgantown, really, I'm not doubting that at all. But something tells me you're never gonna believe things are changing there. And perhaps it's justified and maybe even accurate, I've had no reason to go to a game in Morgantown since I was in middle school so I wouldn't know first-hand.

Just saying, I've seen them trying to make changes in response to the bad behavior since the end of the Rich Rod era there and I've heard from others that it's made a difference.

Remember the Jose Fernandez sign in Blacksburg? It only takes one or two idiots to give a real bad impression, and while I know WVU had more than a few of those in the day, keep in mind that their current students were in like... 4th grade at the oldest the last time we played.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

Maybe people are trying, and it may be getting better, but until I can go to one of my wife's family reunions in WVU and talk about football socially with all her family, I see know no need to play them. When they invite me to come to a game with them instead of telling me all the vile things that will happen to me if I show my face there in VT gear I might think about going.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

I don't doubt the administration, AD, and even some of the fans have made strides to change. But, I also know that my recent WVU grad cousin bragged at length about how their "antics" made WVU one of the "most feared" places to play.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

there are WVU fans who don't like that behavior or the rep it got them

I am sure that this is true, but it's too bad they're the silent majority. Unfortunately, Incidents like this and stories like this and this don't give me much confidence that things are all that different now.

But whatever... they're back on the schedule, like it or not. I just hope we whip them so bad they want to cancel it again.

"Those who jump into the void owe no explanation to those who stand and watch."

I either never knew about the beating of the LSU fans, or I had forgotten about it. But it was infuriating to read.

The rock that was thrown through the window to start the incident landed in the pregnant woman's lap. After three men dragged her husband from the vehicle, the beating didn't stop until the woman began screaming that she's pregnant.

The man suffered a broken nose, a crushed eye socket and a fractured frontal bone in the middle of his forehead.

The pregnant woman suffered bruising on her arms, legs and shoulders; fortunately, their unborn child was unharmed.

LSU fans showed their ass big-time in Blacksburg, and I lost a lot of respect for them, but that story is, indeed, infuriating.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

I was there in 2001. Walking into the stadium and femaleWVU student came up behind me, knocked my VT hat off and attempted to pick a fight (I'm 6'1" 220). In the stadium another female student came up and spit on us. Stuff was constantly being thrown at us. By halftime police came up and recommend we leave for our own safety. It was a blowout so we left with the cops and went to bar to watch second half. No issues after the game though. I just remember .25 cent pitchers at some random bar.

Fuente is no dummy. He will get someone to pull some video segments to make his team appreciate this rivalry n get pumped to do battle.

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Let's Go Hokies!!

Let's not forget that Foster and Wiles were both coaching in the last game. I know Bud hasn't forgotten the hate for WVU and I would bet that he has sat all the new coaches down, shown them some video's and told them exactly what this game is about. Would love to see tech have a shutout while putting up 50+ on the cousins.

1-0 every week

Let's bring in some former players as speakers to discuss having beer, garbage, batteries, and other filth thrown at them on the sidelines. Post the article in the locker room and gym about the time WVU fans assaulted a pregnant UGA fan and her husband after a game.

If that doesn't make you want to prove a point on the field, IDK what else you need.

Wonder how many people get this reference...

We put the K in Kwality

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"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

I think the winning team will be the one that scores more points.

It's Time to go to Work

I was in the 2nd grade in 2005 the last time we played. I've lived in the same town in WV my entire life. The fans were actually pretty quiet when we would win, but when we dropped for the 2006 season forward, I probably got into some form of trash talk with their fans every day about who was better. I would bet my 3rd grade teacher on who would win certain games. If West Virginia won, I would have to do extra work. If West Virginia lost, I would get extra credit. I almost got into a few fist fights with other students about it before I realized 3 days out wasn't worth it over a sport I had no control over.

I really wanted to go to Virginia Tech for college but didn't want to pay the out of state tuition. I wanted to go to a big school, so it came down to Marshall and WVU in terms of affordability. I chose Marshall in a heartbeat and have actually grown to really root for their sports teams. WVU fans also like to talk nonstop shit about Marshall as well.

I haven't forgotten one thing about this rivalry and how awful many of their fans are. As someone who has plenty of state pride for West Virginia, I can honestly say I hate the Mountaineers. I've never seen a fanbase with quite the inferiority complex that they have. I hate them more than UVA, Miami, UNC, etc. I hope we win by 100.

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Virginia Tech fanatic.

2nd grade? STFU....

Usually I get the "get off my lawn" response.

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Virginia Tech fanatic.

JW I want to commend you for organized ability to communicate for someone your age. I have a son just about your age so it gives me hope that he comes across as you do to others if not to me. #YOUNGHOKIES!

Damn, in 2005 I was in my first senior year at VT!

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

my first senior year at VT!

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My biggest regret from college was only having one senior year.

I don't know about biggest, but I'd say this is one of the most underrated rivalries in CFB, (not underrated enough to bring it back full time though) I also don't know if there's one with more legit bad blood between the schools.

Other than Pitt. WVU does hate Pitt with a passion.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Gosh, I don't even know who to side with in that one.

Although I do love that clip from Gameday where the WVU fans are adding some special words to "Sweet Caroline" just for Pitt.

That Gameday song may be the only common ground shared between VT/WVU.

I may be in the minority but I would love to see the rivalry renewed on a regular basis. Screw the stupid fans, hate makes sports fun.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

I always wonder if those that post comments like this have actually been to a game in Morganhole?

Douchebag fans are everywhere. I don't want anything to do with WVU fans because there is a high probability I will be spending the night in jail.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

You nailed it. In addition to the douchebag fans, add to the discussion the fact that the police at the stadium will walk by falling down drunks in 'eer gear to screw with VT fans for cheering loudly and you have a recipe for disaster. My experience there was the worse I've experienced in my years of attending football games, and I will absolutely, positively NEVER go back to that monument to asshattery.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Can confirm: I asked a uniformed officer to assist in helping after friend of mine was kicked down a few flights of stairs by WVU fans. He responded by telling me to "Fuck all VT fans". So much for law in order.

The Dude Abides

I have not but why does that matter? Agree to never go to that shit hole again and enjoy the rivalry. I don't plan to go to Miami and that game is always circled.

I should also clarify my original post meant screw THEIR stupid fans.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

I get your point, but one reason it does matter is that historically, Hokies travel well. Our presence at away games is a boost to the atmosphere and maybe even the team's attitude. One big reason this rivalry was stopped was because travel agents stopped running bus trips out of safety concerns and the core of alumni that do such travel were deciding to skip that game because of the same. Mox nix, though. We're playing them regardless, and perhaps their most egregious asshats won't be able to stay sober long enough to make the drive to FedEx.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Both my parents grew up in West Virginia and both went to WVU. I grew up a mountaineer and I distinctly remember the miracle in Morgantown watching Graham hit the game winner and my mom throwing shit around the house in fury. I went to tech cause the engineering program is top notch plus in state tuition was way cheaper. I even got a scholly to the WVU engineering school but my parents wouldn't let me go over VT. I'm now a die-hard Hokie and I have been to several games between these two teams. I say all this to say that I have seen fans on both side act disgusting. However, I think this would be a great rivalry to renew, if only to rub it in the faces of all the mountaineers I know every time we scrub the floor with their inbred asses

I'm glad you were able to break away from the dark side.

Must make for some interesting dinner conversation with the folks.

I'm guessing since you had ties to both, you were probably attending those games with WVU fans you knew. People don't typically physically assault and/or threaten people they know or friends of people they know.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

WVU has no clue the shit storm that's about to smack them in the face repeatedly. I can't wait to watch those effers file outta FedEx at halftime.


I was at the game in 2004 and their fans were walking around campus talking so much shit. They were acting like they owned the place.

It was a beautiful win.

If I remember correctly this is what VT (and maybe WVU) wanted to happen. The rivalry had gotten very nasty, to the point where fans were getting injured, and since it wasn't necessary to play anymore Beamer (I think) decided to end it for a period of time to cool everything off.
Again, I could be wrong with some or all of the details about this, but it is what my old brain seems to recall.

I do believe that was part of it, but the only problem is no amount of cooling off period will change the asshat culture in Morganhole. They take pride in being such asshat fucktards that no one wants to play there. Wish there was some way to beat it in their skulls that being asshats to opposing fans =/= being a tough venue because the fans are loud and engaged.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

THIS^^^^^comment should go to fucking plaid.

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When they were in the Big East, the VT-WVU rivalry had the makings of a great one. Both teams having a legitimate shot to beat the other, both with program aspirations that could be stopped by the other, both needing to win the game to get to the place they want their program to be. Both teams were national contenders in the early 2000's, but both needed to go undefeated to get there.

Both teams have at some point crushed the aspirations of the other.

This year's matchup will take the wind out of the sails of one of these team's aspirations for the season. It will affect how that team feels about itself, and also the outlook for the season. Plus, whoever wins it gets to take this home:

It's on the line, and I'd like to see it returned from FedEx to it's rightful home in Blacksburg after a brief weekend visit. No matter what, we're going to find out a little something about the character of these two teams. Let's welcome WVU to the Fuente era of VT football in an appropriate manner.

Some crappy WVU perspective, apparently we aren't better than them, and the nation has disrespected them...for throwing batteries and bags of piss, and treating everyone not in blue and yellow like shit.

edited to add that link I forgot.

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Just watched, and I'm thirsty after all that salt. My goodness.

I realize how hot of a taek this is, but I believe we are perceived as better than them because we are, in fact, better than them.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Nobody remembers?

I remember that shit, damn son, to hell with them damn cousins.

Although maybe I should treat them ok in case I need somebody to drive them two trucks up to Aintry.

The North remembers

RIP Stick It In

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We've moved on from WVU. We're in a better place. I really don't like that this rivalry is being renewed in any sense, and I wish it could just remain dead as a reminder to our own fans that being shitheads in the stadium has its consequences.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

I'd rather see VT play Tennessee more often, but this one is interesting because of due to both the proximity and the history. I'm actually pretty excited to see this game.

I agree with you on playing UT more often. But, WVU wins in proximity? Knoxville is 15 miles closer than Morganhole.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

I was thinking that they're all in the same neighborhood, but actual wording will get after ya...

Penn State would make a lot of sense as a rival, would like to see that become an semi-annual game.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

How would we play them twice per year? A summer scrimmage would be pretty sweet I guess

Rematch in the Playoffs? I'd be okay with that.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

My tip for getting along with any WVU fan that is testing your limit is to find common ground, i.e. plant the lightning rod of hate squarely on Narduzzi's (and Pitt's) face. It's worked wonders for me when I visit my hometown.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

Oh I remember, '97-'02 guy. I thought the games were so much fun because of the hate (home games mind you). Having a heated rivalry was awesome. With that being said, it was good to end it after neither of us being in the Big East anymore. I really don't want to be associated with that garbage fan base. I know we're pretty close to each other in distance, but just not worth it. There are more negatives than positives. It would be sweet to end up in a bowl game against them someday though, but that's it.

I was there for two stints before I finished and I have ZERO desire to EVER play WVU again. I have been all over the SEC and Big 10 and I have never encountered fans like them. I was at VT from 87-90 and 97-01 and these are not rumors. Going to Morganhole was a dangerous nightmare and much like going to Miami in that a great deal of the fans are not students or alumni but rather hillpeople and thugs. This game may look good from a revenue standpoint but they are not in the ACC, SEC or Big 10 for a reason and I for one am not for rekindling this rivalry.....although the football was always evenly matched and good. I will be watching any games against liquor-bottle heaving cousinhumpers from my recliner!

Jeremiah 29:11 and Go Hokies!

let's not forget throwing heated pennies during basketball games, or cups full of piss during football games.
My dad went to Marshall, so I grew up with a hatred for them. My one neighbor that had season tix even though he was 7 hours away from the shithandle of West -by-god only reinforced that feeling. I really don't care to ever see them on the same field as us ever again.

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I felt safer on Little Havana (old Orange Bowl) than in Morganhole. That sums up my desire to play there again.

We put the K in Kwality

The older I get, the more I just appreciate the games themselves. I like going for the rituals, the friends, being in Blacksburg again.

But by far: WVU fans are the worst. It spans all age ranges, from current students, to new alum, to townies just hanging on. I have met, on one hand, WVU fans that were hospitable. LSU fans were really nice down in Baton Rougue, Columbus was nice, Clemson, NC State were very cool. WVU was just pure disgust and hate, where you actually felt like you could be jumped without provocation at any moment.

I like a good rivalry, but I don't want to enter a stadium that doubles as a prison yard, especially would never bring my kids there. As a result, I'm fine with WVU going away and never coming back. Would be tough to replace that disgust though, but would be worth it for the lack of violence and ignorance.

The Dude Abides

Damn! After reading all these comments, I guess that it's a good thing that this epic will be played on a neutral site.... Rock on Hokies!

I doubt Dan Snyder is ready to shell out all the repairs to Jack Kent Cooke Stadium after this is all over Labor Day morning. The parking lot might be scorched earth. No matter who wins.

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BSME 2009

I'm looking forward to hearing fan experiences after FedEx. I hope it's a lot better than the commentary here would indicate.

Unfortunately, fans generally get labeled by their worst moment, not their best. I'm always glad when people tell me what great fans VT has. As far as I can tell, VT fans are pretty good hosts and visitors to other venues.

Don't forget, we are scheduled to play in Morgantown in 2021. Hopefully things have improved by then, but I still wouldn't expect it to be a pleasant experience.

Its the cousins, and like all family, they bring out the worst.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

To answer the question...NO. VT and WVU were barely secondary rivals of the other - let alone primary rivals.

If you're looking for the best rivalry nobody remembers, I'd take Missouri and Kansas. Those fanbases hate each other and each was the primary rival of the other.

VT and West Virginia have met 51 times, starting in 1912, making West Virginia the third-most played football opponent of Virginia Tech, even as they haven't played in the last 12 years.

VT West Virginia Rivalry Wiki page

So what your saying is ECU will overtake them soon on that list?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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And VT has played NC State 49 what?

if the team needs a pregame inspirational hate filled pep talk about the cousins ... i know guy, he works for veil four packs.

I can just picture your speech now: "And guys, do you know what I say to those cousins: 'IDONTNEEDTOBU, because guess what, West Virginia, that Black Diamond trophy, you're Nevergonnagetit. Never Never, ForEver ForEver!"

Couches everywhere remember, they shudder in fear at the thought of a renewed rivalry...

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