Is VT-WVU the biggest rivalry nobody remembers?

Twelve years is a long time to let a rivalry rest. So long that most of the players at VT were younger than 8 years old the last time Virginia Tech played West Virginia in football. According to Cam Phillips, when Fuente asked the team who knew anything about the VT-WVU rivalry, nobody raised their hand.

Has everybody forgotten this rivalry?

The Black Diamond Trophy, awarded to the winner of the VT-WVU game, currently resides in Blacksburg, Virginia. In order to understand the significance of it, however, one has to know a little history of these two teams. This isn't just a dusty trophy for older fans. These teams have slugged it out a few times when it meant something, and both teams have gotten a piece of each other. There was the Miracle in Morgantown, where VT had to score in the last two minutes in order to remain undefeated in the regular season and make it to the National Championship game. The fans of that era sure remember the rivalry, and are about to rediscover it.

The teams first played in 1912 and have met 51 times throughout the years. The rivalry reached it's peak when both teams were in the Big East; the games in the early 2000's were epic, where often either VT or WVU were ranked in the top 10 and the other was positioned to cost the other their ranking and crush their national title hopes. The last meeting between the two teams was in 2005, a season where VT cost WVU a perfect season and the possibility of a national title. The trophy been displayed in Blacksburg ever since. It will be on the line when these teams meet this year, as well as during a planned home-and-home series in 2021 and 2022.

This year's match will pit WVU's offense under new but highly-vaunted QB Will Grier against VT's strong defensive secondary. On paper, both teams have some strong talent and also some big question marks. The winning team, however, may just be the one whose players take the time to look at some old video, which should provide the inspiration to dig just a little deeper when the game is on the line.

Both teams have a lot to prove on September 3. I'm not sure they realize just how significant this match is, but when they get on the field in FedEx in front of that crowd, the rivalry is going to be renewed in the hearts of a new generation of players.

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Isn't the same thing going to happen to Texas and aTm?

Texas is weird and sometimes likes to not consider aTm as their rival in favor of OU, similar to Michigan, MSU, and anOSU. I think VT and WVU both equally consider each other rivals.

Recruit Prosim

Just to make sure I am understanding your logic:
Texas is weird because they consider OU (a better team over the years) their rival even though A&M is in-state.
Michigan is weird because they consider anOSU (a better team over the years) their rival even though MSU is in-state.
VT is not weird because we consider WVU (a better team over the years) our rival even though ODU is in-state.
Just admit it, we're weird!

We are weird. But I would rather play UVA every year over WVU

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UVa is definitely VT's rivalry. They're just not all that good at football.

WVU had the makings of a pretty good one before VT changed conferences and didn't play them anymore. The fan emotions are certainly there.

The thing that makes the UVA rivalry so great is because is stems beyond geography, and is really a reflection of the universities, and the people they attract. Virginia Tech is land grant institution, prides itself on it's engineering program. UVA was founded by an individual (a wealthy aristocrat) and prides itself on its business program. On the other hand, WVU, also a public land grant institution that focuses on sciences and research, is very similar to (though clearly of a lesser quality than) VT.

The WVU rivalry ended before my time, which sucks, because I'm sure it was amazing to see Rich Rod and Bud face off every year. Personally, I'd like to see this rivalry start up again, and preferably replace of the ECU rivalry.

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Isn't Tech's business school better than LOLUVA's nowadays?

Not quite, but Pamplin is on the rise. Last I saw/heard, Pamplin is a top 25 business school among public schools, and top 40 among all business programs both public and private. LOLUVA's business school is top 10 in most rankings. I hate the douchenozzles, but give I'll give credit where it's due.

Well... RichRod was WVU's HC for only five tilts against Bud Foster. The rivalry really blossomed when Don Nehlan was their Big Whistle. And somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the 1995 WVU game our first Thursday night game?

Virginia Tech would walk right up to you and punch you in the neck. They're just tougher. Cowherd 3:16

So would Richmond

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According to Cam Phillips, when Fuente asked the team who knew anything about the VT-WVU rivalry, nobody raised their hand

This is the same thing that happened to LOLUVA when Bronco asked the team does anyone know about the VT-LOLUVA rivalry.

Let's Go

HOKIES

In Bronco's case, it was right after he had these guys give a talk.

"Hey Coach, how many times you flashy-thinged me!?!?!? Coach! COACH!" - UVA football player, probably

I remember suffering through quite a few L's from them, 3 of which were while I was in school. They were usually pretty good when Don Nehlen was there. The only win that would give me more satisfaction is the LOLUVA game.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

This would be a great rivalry if the WVU fans weren't prone to treating visitors with violent, disgusting and abusive behavior. VT's most historic and bitter rival was always VMI until VT went big time in the 70's. I attended the last beatdown of VMI in the early 80's also and could only feel pity for those boys trying to hang with Bruce Smith and company. That rivalry ended, as it should have. I would be perfectly content for the VT/WVU rivalry to end as well so long as that university refuses to publicly condemn and prosecute their fanbase for the criminal acts that gave CFB and ADJW reason aplenty to discontinue the series.

TL;DR. Nobody wants to visit Morganhole.

VTCC '86 Delta Company, Hokie in Peru, TKPC#490, One of us!

And I was at the last football game we lost to VMI. It was unexpected, but it happened. Being a Highty Tighty in 68-69, I vividly remember VMI as a legitimate, and worthy rival, as they had been for decades. The rivalry was spirited and lively, but never did it devolve into the cesspool that WVU brought to the table. I still, to this day, feel a kindred spirit thing with VMI, but WVU can sink into a sinkhole for all I care. VMI was a worthy opponent, and our growth and dominance didn't denigrate their program, but obviously, it destroyed our rivalry definitively.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

My thoughts exactly. It kinda sucks that our two main in state rivals can no longer compete with us, but FUCK WVU. Never want to be associated with them in anyway. Let them form a football rivalry with KansaS. I would rather play ECU, or the direction school of dentistry. FUCK WVU. I'd let them have the damn trophy if it meant we never play in Morganhole again. FUCK WVU. It is not a rivalry because a rivalry requires some degree of mutual respect, and I have none for them. FWVU

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Not sure what you are saying here.... /s

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"Step on a crack, break Miami's bak"

- ThatOneGuy

I have friends that are Oklahoma fans. They say it had gotten tremendously better.
We will see

I grew up in WV and everything I've heard is that they aren't as bad as they were in the early 2000's. Believe it or not, there are WVU fans who don't like that behavior or the rep it got them, and those people say that the scene is improving.

I'm really hoping I don't see Tech fans being hostile to passersby in blue and gold in Landover because of experiences they had in Morgantown 15 years ago.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

I went to the recent-ish VT-WVU basketball game in Morgantown. Granted it was basketball and I didn't talk to any students, it was not hostile at all. I actually had some good conversations with WVU alumni and had a somewhat enjoyable experience other than the loss. We didn't get heckled or yelled at walking into the stadium either.

Still I would rather not play them in football at WVU.

"Facyson is a baller."
-CFB

That's good to hear. The last time I heard of an incident in Morgantown I think it was basketball, once again things being thrown out of the student sections. I don't remember how long ago this was but there was a lot of talk about moving the students section to a location that they couldn't cause as much havoc/reducing the allotment of student tickets.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

I'll believe things are changing when I stop hearing their fans boast about how this type of behavior makes them one of the most feared places to play.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

I get that many here have had bad experiences in Morgantown, really, I'm not doubting that at all. But something tells me you're never gonna believe things are changing there. And perhaps it's justified and maybe even accurate, I've had no reason to go to a game in Morgantown since I was in middle school so I wouldn't know first-hand.

Just saying, I've seen them trying to make changes in response to the bad behavior since the end of the Rich Rod era there and I've heard from others that it's made a difference.

Remember the Jose Fernandez sign in Blacksburg? It only takes one or two idiots to give a real bad impression, and while I know WVU had more than a few of those in the day, keep in mind that their current students were in like... 4th grade at the oldest the last time we played.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

Maybe people are trying, and it may be getting better, but until I can go to one of my wife's family reunions in WVU and talk about football socially with all her family, I see know no need to play them. When they invite me to come to a game with them instead of telling me all the vile things that will happen to me if I show my face there in VT gear I might think about going.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

I don't doubt the administration, AD, and even some of the fans have made strides to change. But, I also know that my recent WVU grad cousin bragged at length about how their "antics" made WVU one of the "most feared" places to play.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

there are WVU fans who don't like that behavior or the rep it got them

I am sure that this is true, but it's too bad they're the silent majority. Unfortunately, Incidents like this and stories like this and this don't give me much confidence that things are all that different now.

But whatever... they're back on the schedule, like it or not. I just hope we whip them so bad they want to cancel it again.

"Those who jump into the void owe no explanation to those who stand and watch."
--unknown

I either never knew about the beating of the LSU fans, or I had forgotten about it. But it was infuriating to read.

The rock that was thrown through the window to start the incident landed in the pregnant woman's lap. After three men dragged her husband from the vehicle, the beating didn't stop until the woman began screaming that she's pregnant.

The man suffered a broken nose, a crushed eye socket and a fractured frontal bone in the middle of his forehead.

The pregnant woman suffered bruising on her arms, legs and shoulders; fortunately, their unborn child was unharmed.

LSU fans showed their ass big-time in Blacksburg, and I lost a lot of respect for them, but that story is, indeed, infuriating.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

I was there in 2001. Walking into the stadium and femaleWVU student came up behind me, knocked my VT hat off and attempted to pick a fight (I'm 6'1" 220). In the stadium another female student came up and spit on us. Stuff was constantly being thrown at us. By halftime police came up and recommend we leave for our own safety. It was a blowout so we left with the cops and went to bar to watch second half. No issues after the game though. I just remember .25 cent pitchers at some random bar.

I just remember .25 cent pitchers at some random bar.

I believed what you were saying right up until this line.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

what's not to believe? In the town I grew up in there was a bar that had nickel pitcher night every Tuesday.

Obviously they are giving the beer away to get the sales elsewhere.

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"Step on a crack, break Miami's bak"

- ThatOneGuy

Fuente is no dummy. He will get someone to pull some video segments to make his team appreciate this rivalry n get pumped to do battle.

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Let's Go Hokies!!

Let's not forget that Foster and Wiles were both coaching in the last game. I know Bud hasn't forgotten the hate for WVU and I would bet that he has sat all the new coaches down, shown them some video's and told them exactly what this game is about. Would love to see tech have a shutout while putting up 50+ on the cousins.

1-0 every week

Let's bring in some former players as speakers to discuss having beer, garbage, batteries, and other filth thrown at them on the sidelines. Post the article in the locker room and gym about the time WVU fans assaulted a pregnant UGA fan and her husband after a game.

If that doesn't make you want to prove a point on the field, IDK what else you need.

Wonder how many people get this reference...

We put the K in Kwality

Not very often that I get to give out the rare Operation: Mindcrime turkey leg.

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"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

I think the winning team will be the one that scores more points.

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I was in the 2nd grade in 2005 the last time we played. I've lived in the same town in WV my entire life. The fans were actually pretty quiet when we would win, but when we dropped for the 2006 season forward, I probably got into some form of trash talk with their fans every day about who was better. I would bet my 3rd grade teacher on who would win certain games. If West Virginia won, I would have to do extra work. If West Virginia lost, I would get extra credit. I almost got into a few fist fights with other students about it before I realized 3 days out wasn't worth it over a sport I had no control over.

I really wanted to go to Virginia Tech for college but didn't want to pay the out of state tuition. I wanted to go to a big school, so it came down to Marshall and WVU in terms of affordability. I chose Marshall in a heartbeat and have actually grown to really root for their sports teams. WVU fans also like to talk nonstop shit about Marshall as well.

I haven't forgotten one thing about this rivalry and how awful many of their fans are. As someone who has plenty of state pride for West Virginia, I can honestly say I hate the Mountaineers. I've never seen a fanbase with quite the inferiority complex that they have. I hate them more than UVA, Miami, UNC, etc. I hope we win by 100.

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2nd grade? STFU....

Usually I get the "get off my lawn" response.

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JW I want to commend you for organized ability to communicate for someone your age. I have a son just about your age so it gives me hope that he comes across as you do to others if not to me. #YOUNGHOKIES!

Damn, in 2005 I was in my first senior year at VT!

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

my first senior year at VT!

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My biggest regret from college was only having one senior year.

92' AND 93' were my favorite senior years! what can i say, I truly didn't want to leave! and if the med school would've been there then, ida stayed in the 'burg another 4-5 years!

"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth."

I don't know about biggest, but I'd say this is one of the most underrated rivalries in CFB, (not underrated enough to bring it back full time though) I also don't know if there's one with more legit bad blood between the schools.

Other than Pitt. WVU does hate Pitt with a passion.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Gosh, I don't even know who to side with in that one.

Although I do love that clip from Gameday where the WVU fans are adding some special words to "Sweet Caroline" just for Pitt.

That Gameday song may be the only common ground shared between VT/WVU.

I may be in the minority but I would love to see the rivalry renewed on a regular basis. Screw the stupid fans, hate makes sports fun.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

I always wonder if those that post comments like this have actually been to a game in Morganhole?

Douchebag fans are everywhere. I don't want anything to do with WVU fans because there is a high probability I will be spending the night in jail.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

You nailed it. In addition to the douchebag fans, add to the discussion the fact that the police at the stadium will walk by falling down drunks in 'eer gear to screw with VT fans for cheering loudly and you have a recipe for disaster. My experience there was the worse I've experienced in my years of attending football games, and I will absolutely, positively NEVER go back to that monument to asshattery.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Can confirm: I asked a uniformed officer to assist in helping after friend of mine was kicked down a few flights of stairs by WVU fans. He responded by telling me to "Fuck all VT fans". So much for law in order.

The Dude Abides

I have not but why does that matter? Agree to never go to that shit hole again and enjoy the rivalry. I don't plan to go to Miami and that game is always circled.

I should also clarify my original post meant screw THEIR stupid fans.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

I get your point, but one reason it does matter is that historically, Hokies travel well. Our presence at away games is a boost to the atmosphere and maybe even the team's attitude. One big reason this rivalry was stopped was because travel agents stopped running bus trips out of safety concerns and the core of alumni that do such travel were deciding to skip that game because of the same. Mox nix, though. We're playing them regardless, and perhaps their most egregious asshats won't be able to stay sober long enough to make the drive to FedEx.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Both my parents grew up in West Virginia and both went to WVU. I grew up a mountaineer and I distinctly remember the miracle in Morgantown watching Graham hit the game winner and my mom throwing shit around the house in fury. I went to tech cause the engineering program is top notch plus in state tuition was way cheaper. I even got a scholly to the WVU engineering school but my parents wouldn't let me go over VT. I'm now a die-hard Hokie and I have been to several games between these two teams. I say all this to say that I have seen fans on both side act disgusting. However, I think this would be a great rivalry to renew, if only to rub it in the faces of all the mountaineers I know every time we scrub the floor with their inbred asses

I'm glad you were able to break away from the dark side.

Must make for some interesting dinner conversation with the folks.

I'm guessing since you had ties to both, you were probably attending those games with WVU fans you knew. People don't typically physically assault and/or threaten people they know or friends of people they know.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

WVU has no clue the shit storm that's about to smack them in the face repeatedly. I can't wait to watch those effers file outta FedEx at halftime.

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I was at the game in 2004 and their fans were walking around campus talking so much shit. They were acting like they owned the place.

It was a beautiful win.

If I remember correctly this is what VT (and maybe WVU) wanted to happen. The rivalry had gotten very nasty, to the point where fans were getting injured, and since it wasn't necessary to play anymore Beamer (I think) decided to end it for a period of time to cool everything off.
Again, I could be wrong with some or all of the details about this, but it is what my old brain seems to recall.

I do believe that was part of it, but the only problem is no amount of cooling off period will change the asshat culture in Morganhole. They take pride in being such asshat fucktards that no one wants to play there. Wish there was some way to beat it in their skulls that being asshats to opposing fans =/= being a tough venue because the fans are loud and engaged.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

THIS^^^^^comment should go to fucking plaid.

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When they were in the Big East, the VT-WVU rivalry had the makings of a great one. Both teams having a legitimate shot to beat the other, both with program aspirations that could be stopped by the other, both needing to win the game to get to the place they want their program to be. Both teams were national contenders in the early 2000's, but both needed to go undefeated to get there.

Both teams have at some point crushed the aspirations of the other.

This year's matchup will take the wind out of the sails of one of these team's aspirations for the season. It will affect how that team feels about itself, and also the outlook for the season. Plus, whoever wins it gets to take this home:

It's on the line, and I'd like to see it returned from FedEx to it's rightful home in Blacksburg after a brief weekend visit. No matter what, we're going to find out a little something about the character of these two teams. Let's welcome WVU to the Fuente era of VT football in an appropriate manner.

Some crappy WVU perspective, apparently we aren't better than them, and the nation has disrespected them...for throwing batteries and bags of piss, and treating everyone not in blue and yellow like shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J_YqZuIGvo

edited to add that link I forgot.

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Just watched, and I'm thirsty after all that salt. My goodness.

I realize how hot of a taek this is, but I believe we are perceived as better than them because we are, in fact, better than them.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

This is some serious BS.

just like people espousing political takes with no actual knowledge.

can't wait to beat those 'eers.

Nobody remembers?

I remember that shit, damn son, to hell with them damn cousins.

Although maybe I should treat them ok in case I need somebody to drive them two trucks up to Aintry.

The North remembers

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We've moved on from WVU. We're in a better place. I really don't like that this rivalry is being renewed in any sense, and I wish it could just remain dead as a reminder to our own fans that being shitheads in the stadium has its consequences.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

I'd rather see VT play Tennessee more often, but this one is interesting because of due to both the proximity and the history. I'm actually pretty excited to see this game.

I agree with you on playing UT more often. But, WVU wins in proximity? Knoxville is 15 miles closer than Morganhole.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

I was thinking that they're all in the same neighborhood, but actual wording will get after ya...

Penn State would make a lot of sense as a rival, would like to see that become an semi-annual game.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

How would we play them twice per year? A summer scrimmage would be pretty sweet I guess

Rematch in the Playoffs? I'd be okay with that.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

My tip for getting along with any WVU fan that is testing your limit is to find common ground, i.e. plant the lightning rod of hate squarely on Narduzzi's (and Pitt's) face. It's worked wonders for me when I visit my hometown.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

Oh I remember, '97-'02 guy. I thought the games were so much fun because of the hate (home games mind you). Having a heated rivalry was awesome. With that being said, it was good to end it after neither of us being in the Big East anymore. I really don't want to be associated with that garbage fan base. I know we're pretty close to each other in distance, but just not worth it. There are more negatives than positives. It would be sweet to end up in a bowl game against them someday though, but that's it.

I was there for two stints before I finished and I have ZERO desire to EVER play WVU again. I have been all over the SEC and Big 10 and I have never encountered fans like them. I was at VT from 87-90 and 97-01 and these are not rumors. Going to Morganhole was a dangerous nightmare and much like going to Miami in that a great deal of the fans are not students or alumni but rather hillpeople and thugs. This game may look good from a revenue standpoint but they are not in the ACC, SEC or Big 10 for a reason and I for one am not for rekindling this rivalry.....although the football was always evenly matched and good. I will be watching any games against liquor-bottle heaving cousinhumpers from my recliner!

Jeremiah 29:11 and Go Hokies!

let's not forget throwing heated pennies during basketball games, or cups full of piss during football games.
My dad went to Marshall, so I grew up with a hatred for them. My one neighbor that had season tix even though he was 7 hours away from the shithandle of West -by-god only reinforced that feeling. I really don't care to ever see them on the same field as us ever again.

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I felt safer on Little Havana (old Orange Bowl) than in Morganhole. That sums up my desire to play there again.

We put the K in Kwality

The older I get, the more I just appreciate the games themselves. I like going for the rituals, the friends, being in Blacksburg again.

But by far: WVU fans are the worst. It spans all age ranges, from current students, to new alum, to townies just hanging on. I have met, on one hand, WVU fans that were hospitable. LSU fans were really nice down in Baton Rougue, Columbus was nice, Clemson, NC State were very cool. WVU was just pure disgust and hate, where you actually felt like you could be jumped without provocation at any moment.

I like a good rivalry, but I don't want to enter a stadium that doubles as a prison yard, especially would never bring my kids there. As a result, I'm fine with WVU going away and never coming back. Would be tough to replace that disgust though, but would be worth it for the lack of violence and ignorance.

The Dude Abides

Damn! After reading all these comments, I guess that it's a good thing that this epic will be played on a neutral site.... Rock on Hokies!

I doubt Dan Snyder is ready to shell out all the repairs to Jack Kent Cooke Stadium after this is all over Labor Day morning. The parking lot might be scorched earth. No matter who wins.

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BSME 2009

I'm looking forward to hearing fan experiences after FedEx. I hope it's a lot better than the commentary here would indicate.

Unfortunately, fans generally get labeled by their worst moment, not their best. I'm always glad when people tell me what great fans VT has. As far as I can tell, VT fans are pretty good hosts and visitors to other venues.

Don't forget, we are scheduled to play in Morgantown in 2021. Hopefully things have improved by then, but I still wouldn't expect it to be a pleasant experience.

Its the cousins, and like all family, they bring out the worst.

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BSME 2009

To answer the question...NO. VT and WVU were barely secondary rivals of the other - let alone primary rivals.

If you're looking for the best rivalry nobody remembers, I'd take Missouri and Kansas. Those fanbases hate each other and each was the primary rival of the other.

VT and West Virginia have met 51 times, starting in 1912, making West Virginia the third-most played football opponent of Virginia Tech, even as they haven't played in the last 12 years.

VT West Virginia Rivalry Wiki page

So what your saying is ECU will overtake them soon on that list?

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And VT has played NC State 49 times...so what?

if the team needs a pregame inspirational hate filled pep talk about the cousins ... i know guy, he works for veil four packs.

I can just picture your speech now: "And guys, do you know what I say to those cousins: 'IDONTNEEDTOBU, because guess what, West Virginia, that Black Diamond trophy, you're Nevergonnagetit. Never Never, ForEver ForEver!"

Couches everywhere remember, they shudder in fear at the thought of a renewed rivalry...

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This match-up is less than a month away, now.

Looks like Jovon Durant hasn't shown up at camp yet, but I'd be careful about reading too much into that.

Durante not at camp yet

Umm this isn't the NFL if a kid isn't in camp does that mean he isn't at school also thus unable to play? Classes start the 16th there.

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That's not good for them considering they lost 3 top receivers from last season.

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Just saw on twitter that he is apparently transferring to FAU. Can't embed or I would.

So DeAndre Johnson will be tossing the rock to him! Remember him? Ex FSU QB. Would you expect anything less from Lane Kiffin?

Jesus Kiffin is just collected thrown away 4 and 5 star recruits.

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Yeah, he's got a second chance U thing going on there. Did something that got you in trouble somewhere else? No problem.

Second Chance U

What are academics and donor situation at FAU?

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You guys often talk about how awful WVU fans are. It's flawed to argue that, because their fans were sh*tty 20 year ago, they are still sh*tty. Let this game set the precedent for their fans.

FWIW - I hear stories all the time from older people about the hell they raised during the 70's and 80's at VT. Students now-a-days would never do that sh*t.

Students now-a-days would never do that sh*t.

A little bit of would, a little bit of could.

Small sample size warning. At the Big 12 media day, of the 24 athletes in attendance, 11 of them said that they were racially taunted and West Virginia was cited as the most common offender. WVU was also cited as the least favorite place to play.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/big12/2017/07/27/big-12-foot...

Things can change. Things also stay the same.

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"West Virginia University is a proud member of the Big 12. And our fans have done a great job of welcoming conference opponents and their following to Morgantown.

Well, I guess this is true depending on how you define "great job." Which apparently is acting like Grade A assholes.

From welcome groups and team hosts who roam the stadium to guide visitors

Like the time your fans beat a man senseless in front of his pregnant wife and dragged her from the car, or the time you threw batteries and dumped Ziploc bags of piss on VT fans and players alike. Seems like y'all have that whole welcome group thing down to a science.

We always make fan safety our primary concern, while providing a hospitable and memorable experience.

Which is why the troopers and security guards at the game laugh and cuss at people asking for help? Seems legit.

It is unfortunate that this survey perpetuates stereotypes

Just gonna leave this dandy little piece here. It speaks for itself.

TL;DR...they're shit, they know they're shit, and the don't give a shit about being shit. The good news however, is that we can all agree on #FuckPatNarduzzi.

"It's a miracle in Blacksburg, TYROD DID IT MIKEY, TYROD DID IT!"

My cousin graduated from WVU last year and loves to brag about their fans being douches. So, I'd say nothing has changed.

Realized typing this how literal it is that my cousin is one of the "cousins" and had a good laugh.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

I deal with their fans every day. Nothing has changed. They still burn couches. They still throw shit at and taunt opposing players. What we got in 2003 and 2005 is what we'll get in 2017.

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There is a reason they constantly show up on worst fan and rudest fan polls - run a search and see. The biggest reason is too many of their fans are proud of being on these lists - just read their comments on the articles you find in the search.

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There's no flaw in the argument. If you've not experienced it, I can understand that you might doubt the severity of their behavior, but those of us who have will not forget the experience. But hey, if you don't trust the wisdom of we "older people" in this matter, go to a game in Morgantown sometime in all your Hokie gear and cheer against the 'eers. Then, get back to we folks who have actual game experience with that crowd. If you get back at all.

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He couldn't even make it out of the first sentence without a typo.

Morgantown, WV lies a little over 180 miles from my parent's front door in Loudoun County, VA, nestled in the Blue Ridge foothills where horses and cattle might well outnumber people.

That whole sentence is just a clusterfuck of attempted imagery, but I believe you meant to say your "parents' front door." Unless he is actually referring to only his dad's front door and in that case he's weird as hell for referring to his dad as his parent.

"I'm going to the game with my parent."

"Sorry I can't make it tonight. I have dinner plans with my parent."

"If only my parent hadn't raised me to be a West Virginia fan, I might have a better understanding of the English language."

Loudoun county is also the third largest county in Virginia population wise

Haha, this guy thinks their musket is "L-O-U-D"--he must never have heard this (yet):

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perhaps the Corps should take our artillery to FedEx.

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I woke up this morning at 5:45 to a nightmare. The Hokies down by 1 have the ball at the goaline, hand off up the middle and suddenly out the other side bursts a WVU player running the other way with the ball all the way to the endzone. Scariest dream in a long time. My wife says I woke up screaming NO!

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That's actually exactly what happened to Clemson in the Orange Bowl for the 2011-2012 season. WVU and Clemson were going touchdown for touchdown until WVU had a 99 yard fumble return, and Clemson proceeded to absolutely melt down after that.

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West Virginia WR Marcus Simms Arrested for DUI, Driving with Revoked License

Another blow to the WVU receiving corps. Simms is likely to be suspended. He caught 6 passes for 95 yards and a touchdown last season and is expected to play a big role this season with his speed. If he is suspended and Jovon Durante continues to sit out, WVU will only return two players who made a catch last season at receiver.

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Yeah but it doesn't matter with Will Grier aka God at quarterback!

Let them be nave. Honestly, their mindset reminds me a lot of us before the 2012 season. Our recruiting classes had been slipping, Logan Thomas had lost every weapon around him, and the defense really struggled with inexperience at the beginning of the season. Despite all this uncertainty before the season, everyone still expected Logan to have an awesome year and for us to just reload at every position. WVU beat up on a weak Big 12 last year but still managed to get beat soundly by the two best teams in the conference. Their recruiting class was pretty weak, Grier doesn't have a lot of proven players around him, and their defense is pretty depleted. Dana Holgorsen is also the same coach who went 7-6 twice and 4-8 once.

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Grier doesn't have a lot of proven players around him

Not to mention that Grier isn't exactly proven himself (despite what WVU homers claim).

He did look solid in his only 6 games at Florida and great in their spring game. He had a great defense backing him up, though, and I'd assume more experienced receivers. His arm will be an upgrade over Skyler Howard, but I don't think he's going to hurt us with his legs as much as Howard would have.

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He looked solid even great in one game, good in .5 serviceable in 2, and bad in 2.5.

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And generally the quality of his play was in inverse order of the quality of the opponent.

For a comparison, look at Motley's stats and Grier's stats in 2015. Grier's are probably better than Motley's, but not by that much.

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Almost heaven, West Virginia
Heaven, almost Will Grier

Nerd, you are on a roll these days. You're always good, but lately, you've been on a serious home run streak. Mountain Jesus it is!

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20362 legs...2507 posts...respectable 8.12 legs/post

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Jesus Christ, I've made 2500 posts in two years? I need a new hobby.

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um, yeah. 2500 posts is, like a lot. Yep. Way too many for one person.

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Crikey, and I thought our WR situation was a bit of a mess.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

Apparently his driving license was revoked when he got his first DUI in May. Hope this kid can get some help.

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"Step on a crack, break Miami's bak"

- ThatOneGuy

It gets worse:

The arrest report showed Simms, 19, was pulled over by a Monongalia County sheriffs' deputy who smelled marijuana inside the vehicle. The player's speech was slurred, his eyes were "bloodshot" and he reportedly failed sobriety tests after admitting he had smoked marijuana.

Simms DUI

He has been officially suspended for the opener

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

That's the right thing to do.

I Remember this rivalry as if it was a meal ago

Is It Luck?

This!

While I was growing up, WVU was an even bigger rivalry game to my household than the UVA game!

i've spent my last week sending my boss the video of wayne ward block wvu's linebacker into 1998. he's a wvu fan.

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I guess I am in the minority but I love the renewal of this rivalry. For the simple fact that all of our other rivalries don't seem as big as this one. We can say that we have a rivalry with BC, LOLUva, Miami, and GT but all those have seem to have gone by the way side. BC and LOLUva have been a joke and we've really destroyed them. Miami and GT lose their luster just because of distance and it's just not the feel of a rivalry. WVU feels like a rivalry and one I hope we continue. I would be really interested in starting a rivalry with UT as people have commented before on this.

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UVa is an in-state rivalry, which is fun, but doesn't have any real championship ramifications other than the normal conference ones, and not much meaning outside of our respective fan bases. I can't say I really want UVa to get better at football, but the game is pretty one-sided as it stands now.

If Miami is ever bak, they'll make for a great in-conference rival. VT plays them every year, and if they start to trade wins that one could heat up. They don't have quite as much potential for fans traveling to each other's stadiums, though.

WVU and Tennessee are both decent teams outside the conference with good fan bases, and close enough in proximity so the fans of both teams can get to the games. Either makes for a good rivalry if scheduled often enough.

I agree with you - I'd like to see WVU or Tennessee scheduled more often. I had a blast at the Battle at Bristol. There is a lack of history between VT and Tenn, so the fan bases don't really hate each other, so that really was a fun atmosphere. Part of that may have also been because the tailgating was largely separate.

The fans absolutely need to behave, but I like VT playing WVU. I hope I feel the same way in three weeks.

The fans absolutely need to behave,

I have zero faith this will happen. And as much as it pains me to say it, I doubt either side will come out clean at the end of the day.

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Yeah, I really love when people tell me how great the VT fans are. They need to step up and be well behaved, even if they're tested. The standard to live up to is that of your fan base, not someone else's.

It's great to have the cousins back on the schedule just because I love to hate woovoo so much. BC loluva and GT just don't have the panache of a great rivalry right now for various reasons, and until miami can get bak, that one's not great either. But the good old fashioned dirty hate that woovoo inspires just really does something for me.

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This is an old article (from May), but I think it's time VT reminded Holgorsen who currently has the Black Diamond Trophy, since he seems to have forgotten. Once VT reminds him of it's rightful owner, however, it's comforting to know that he wants to schedule VT more often.

Judging by ticket sales, this is a game fans want to see.

Dana Holgorson thinks WVU currently has the Black Diamond Trophy

Where is Lawson?!

In the late 1980s, before I-64 was finished from Sam Black Church to Beckley, you had to take U.S.60 from Sam Black Church to Beckley, which is a windy road through central WV. I don't know if it is still there, but there was an establishment named "Possum Holler Pizza" somewhere along the way. Needless to say, we did not stop there.

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Can confirm it is still there. It is on the west end of Greenbrier County.

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Brave man to go onto the WVU campus to get a picture of their dining hall.

WVU's latest troll to VT.....lol John Denver

The WVU Will Grier Mountain Jesus hubris is beyond comical. Says a lot about the rest of the team when the only jab you have is, "Oh yeah, well Will Grier!" I'm just ready to see him get crushed next weekend. I'm talking full Hunter Cantwell-style.

That whole article made me cringe like Carl Winslow

“I turned down 12 other opportunities. You know what I mean?” - Fuente

I'm just ready to see him get crushed next weekend. I'm talking full Hunter Cantwell-style.

B-but muh Will Grier.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

WTH did I just read? A five star QB who hasn't played in two years. A Bud Foster defense who is worried about the back field. A 3-3-5 defense that all the defensive coordinators use when they can't find enough DL & LB to fill the box. Are these guys for real?

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I think that's a little harsh when it comes to the 3-3-5.

Like any 30 front, you need a hoss of a NT to make it work, or you're vulnerable to getting push up the middle. Problem is that VT hasn't exactly set the world on fire running the ball of late, so even if their new NT struggles, we have to prove that we're ready to take full advantage of that.

It also allows you bring pressure from all over the place, which they do well. JJ's going to have to make quick reads and smart decisions, and with a new right side of the OL we need to be careful not to let this happen:

If JJ were a returning starter, or this game were played late in the year, this D would be less of a concern, but the fact that it's his first D1 experience worries me. Of course the same argument works in our favor. Grier might turn out to be as good as they hope, but probably not in week 1. Hell, at the rate they're losing WRs he might not have anyone left to throw to by gametime.

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"Those who jump into the void owe no explanation to those who stand and watch."
--unknown

Haha yeah I know that the 3-3-5 can work I was going a little over the top on purpose. I understand that it works well against a pass happy team and you're right about being able to run the ball against them. If we can't run the ball, JJ is going to have a tough time with their defense especially since not a lot of teams use that scheme.

But honestly who uses their base defense as a way to say their defense is going to shut another team down!?! lol

Coach Fuente and Coach Foster...because you're doubly f***ed

But honestly who uses their base defense as a way to say their defense is going to shut another team down!?

Someone who cannot name a player in the front 6 of their defense with starting experience?

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Why does this video autoplay for me when I load the thread?

Not sure. I tried to limit it to start/stop at certain times since I'm sure no one here cares about the rest of the whorns/queers lowlights. I tried disabling autoplay explicitly, did it help?

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It still autoplays.

I fixed it. The code was still specifying autoplay in the YouTube link (autoplay="0" doesn't have any effect when the HTML string says ?autoplay=1 before the start and end times).

Thanks! Lack of attention to detail will get after ya.

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Not to mention, he wasn't even a 5 star. His offer list: Arkansas, Auburn, ECU, Florida, Louisiana-Lafayette, NC State, UNC, Tennessee, Wake Forest.

Not a bad list of schools by any means, but not exactly a who's who of football programs either.

I think that's pretty clever on the part of Fuente. Get the team used to the types of sounds they're going to be hearing at FedEx.

is this like anOSU practicing with Enter Sandman playing?

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I think it is, though Enter Sandman is a LOT more intimidating, and Lane Stadium is LOUD.

WVU's confidence in Will Grier reminds me a lot of our confidence in Logan Thomas in 2012. We just assumed that because he was good in 2011 that he would also be good in 2012 despite losing Danny Coale and Jarrett Boykin. When you lose your 2 biggest targets and can't replace them, your quarterback will struggle as LT did in 2012. WVU lost Dakiel Shorts and Shelton Gibson, and one guy that was supposed to replace them is now at FAU and the another is suspended. One of his main options is going to be a former QB who hasn't caught a pass since the 2015 season. Also, I think our secondary will be the best they'll face all season. I may be wrong, but I think WVU fans are going to be extremely disappointed.

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The artist who did this artwork deserves some applause. Nice job.

Frank Beamer weighs in:

Beamer said the West Virginia rivalry is one that "needs to be played as often as possible."

The former coach waxed nostalgic about the old Big East rivalry with the Mountaineers, which reached its apex in the late '90s when both teams were ranked in meetings from 1996-98.

"Back in that day, we were in the same league, so it had that importance," Beamer said. "But like I said, I think it's a game that needs to be played as often as possible, because again, you're the next state over and we both have great fan bases. They're going to fill our stadium and we're going to fill their stadium. There are so many positives about playing this game that I'm glad to see it back on the schedule and hope it'll come back as often as it fits into both schools' schedule."

Virginia Tech's move to the ACC and the intensity of the fan bases ("Sometimes our fans didn't get along so well," Beamer said) led to a cooling off period for the rivalry, which went dormant after 2005.

Sometimes our fans didn't get along too well

One week 'til showtime.

I KNOW this is a good rivalry, as everyone has an opinion about it. Nobody is neutral. Fans either really want this game on the schedule, or they NEVER want to face WVU.

Wherever you stand on scheduling, you're starting to get a feeling in the pit of your stomach about now, with the game one week away. Anxiety? Dread? Excitement? All three?

I'm SO ready for this game. Partially because I miss college football, but I'm ready to find something out about this team. Finding it out against West Virginia is a bonus.

Black Diamond Trophy, we'll put you on the line, but come back to papa.

Fuck West Virginia, Fuck Morganhole, and Fuck every single one of their inbred fans. I hope we defend the Black Diamond Trophy one last time and then never give them the opportunity for a rematch.

"We were at the pinnacle, and we did it for years," Foster says. He pauses, nods, takes a deep breath. "And I did it with the best guy in the business."

They're already scheduled for two more games after this one.

I hope we beat ECU and FWVU both so badly they cancel games against us to play each other.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

One day away. It's LIT, people.

Here are a few photos of past moments in the VT-WVU rivalry from the Roanoke Times. Brought back some fond memories. Enjoy.

VT WVU game photos