OT: Beer 2017

The second topic is now just over a year old. I decided to start a new one to aggregate beer posts for this year.

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VT will hold a course for 1 week starting the last week of January 2018 on the Business of beer. Some essentials on how to open a brewery.

The Facebook post is here.
The Business of Beer

I am pretty sure the business of beer is simple:
Buy beer
Open beer
Pour beer (optional)
Drink beer


Always a good idea.

Mannnn I wanted to go but couldn't make it.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

Yeah it went through Cincinnati this year and I ended up having to travel to Toledo (other end of the state) for a wife's family committment. Bummer I missed it.

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VT will hold a class on Sensory and beer with the American Society of Brewing Chemists. It is open to the public.

ASBC Southeast LABS Meeting
We are pleased to announce our second ASBC LABS to be held in the Southeast area. Come and join us for an evening of science, beer, and friendship at Virginia Tech!

Participants will have the opportunity to network amongst brewers and industry suppliers, as well as attend a sensory training as well as two technical presentations from sensory science professionals. Topics to be covered include: options for setting up a sensory program for a small craft brewery and statistical analysis of sensory data for quality control. Dinner will be provided. Space is limited!

Virginia Tech Food Science & Technology Department
Human Agriculture & Biosciences Building 1
1230 Washington St. SW
Blacksburg, VA 24061

Tuesday, August 15, 2017
5.00–10:00 p.m.
How Much?
ASBC members: $20
Non-members: $50
ASBC Membership + LABS registration: $213
ASBC Student Membership + LABS registration: $76

Register HERE

Sponsorship Opportunities

5:00–5:30 p.m.
Welcome and beverages

5:30–6:45 p.m.
Sensory Training for Off-Flavors
Caroline Parnin, Lallemand Brewing

Dinner and drinks in the pilot plant

7:45–9:00 p.m.
Sensory Programs for Small Craft Breweries
Anna Sauls, Highland Brewing

Sensory Stats for Smaller Breweries: Exploring True-To-Brandness
Alex Hazelmyer, New Belgium Brewing

Speaking of great beer, my homebrew club competition is coming up. It is a keg entry competition so it turns into a mini beer festival afterwards. Ship a keg and stay in the hotel to sample off the 226 (currently) kegs after the comp! I have 4 entered.


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I forgot to enter the Dominion Cup this year. Was the only one I was planning to enter. Won a category last year, so I should have followed up. Oh well.

So, it's getting to be football season. And visits to the Burg will be happening.
And in the interim, new beers are released along the way.
So, anyone interested in trading some stuff prior to a game?
I have access to RAR and Burley Oak. And I know I'll be down for the Oct 21 game against UNCheat.
I don't expect the Aug 26 releases to hold up until that time...2 months is a good while for fresh hops and fresh fruit juice in sours...but something to keep in mind. And opening it up for others. You guys have Answer and Veil readily available, and hopefully Aslin can figure out their canning issues...

I'm a man! I'm 43! Hokie thru and thru.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

YES. Very Interested and will also be in town for UNCheat. Hit me with a DM on the twitters

Burley Oak has some really interesting stuff going on. Especially if you're into sours. I'm not personally, but they have some killer IPAs and pale ales.

i like their ipas, rar is md is better, but the sour jream series at burley oak is fantastic.

I let the anaerobic soak (RAR/DFH colab) sit for a bit and it got a ton better. Went from a lagersih mouthfeel to a softer, pillowy hazy NEIPA type taste. I've got a few left, so that's good. (But I don't expect them to be good in 2 months...)

The IPA's from Burley are typically strong. But I have to admit I'm a RAR fanboy. Work in Cambridge, so support them as much as I can. They've used vanilla in the last 2 releases and I'm really digging it.

I'll see if I can get some Burley sours. I won't be drinking them, but fro trade with you guys.

I'm a man! I'm 43! Hokie thru and thru.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Oh totally. RAR and Evo are better imo. I'm not a sour person but they've got some interesting stuff with the Jream series. I did reallllly like the Homegrown session, Savage DIPA, and the Pale Ryeder (in a big fan of Rye though).

I was out that way last month for work and made the mistake of stopping by Tall Tales Brewing.. not a fan. Food was awesome but the beer was not good in my opinion.

I'm so disappointed. I live within 3 miles of TT. Was hoping they'd get it together...but...
The pizza is THE best around. But hard to stay for it when there's nothing to drink.

I'm a man! I'm 43! Hokie thru and thru.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Dude, I would do many things for another one of those shrimp scampi pizzas. Holy shit that was delicious.

The beer all either had no flavor, tasted like weird bubble gum, or dirty fruit water. The Red Headed Step Child was the best I came across and it was 'meh'.

I work just down the street from Aslin and have been hitting them up more frequently now as it seems their quality control isses have subsided. Double Orange Starfish was absolutely insane. Definitley down for a TKP trade on fresh releases when that game gets closer.

North Carolina beer-related:

I live in Raleigh and love the beer here (Big Boss, Lonerider, Lynnwood Brewing are my faves). It's a huge market, with probably 40+ breweries between Raleigh-Durham and the surrounding 'burbs. I'm interested to see how the NC beer actually compares to other states' markets, like Chicago, Cali, etc.

Has anyone outside of NC found a really good NC beer that they love?

I haven't tried much beer from in/around the Triangle, but Charlotte has some killer brews. Wooden Robot, NoDa, and Ass Clown are my personal favorites down there in South Virginia

i won't try ass clown because of the name.

Understandable, but it's definitely worth the visit. They do a lot of experimental stuff. I had a brown ale there that was aged over cigar boxes that blew my mind

I'm with you. There are too many choices out there now to be their name. If there were 3 options in town, maybe you'd have to pop in. But with soooo many, I can forgo it and not feel like I missed out.

I'm a man! I'm 43! Hokie thru and thru.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Head over to Asheville and if we are talking Burial and Green Man then its on. So good.

I'm a man! I'm 43! Hokie thru and thru.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Green Man IPA and ESB are stellar

I know Lonerider has been on taps throughout Virginia for a while. I think at least Cabo in Blacksburg still has Sweet Josie and a rotating seasonal on tap.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

Sweet Josie usually shows up a few places in Roanoke. It's also almost always on tap at the Tap House in Daleville. By the way if you guys haven't been to Ballast Point in Botetourt (5 min from Tap House) its pretty sweet. I'm not a fan of all of their beers, but they usually have 4-5 that are good and the restaurant, patios, etc are first class. Twin Creeks in Vinton is pretty good as well.

They're having a Sour beer event at Ballast on the 20th. I plan to go. I love a good sour, and their Sour Wench fits the bill.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

I went to the Sour Wench event where I live in San Diego. It's delicious. Highly recommend if they're going to do it at their east coast venues.

4-5 that are good

I can name 6 variations of sculpin that are delicious (Regular, Grapefruit, Habanero, PIneapple, unfiltered, and on nitro). Ballast Point has over 20 good beers at any given time, including several R&D.

I finally made the pilgrimage to BP in San Diego in July. 2 days before the sour wench event. It was amazing. Discovered my wife is allergic to something in the watermelon dorado. She was fine after some Benadryl, but it was so good she would drink it again.

Nice. That's true commitment. I imagine this may what it's like at your next visit to BP.

Bond Brothers was really solid and i like Trophy too. I want to try Barrel Culture ... for wild/sour nerds their game is supposedly on de Garde level.

i've had or been to a few in Asheville and CLT too. Hitting Heist and Wooden Robot next weekend to dive deeper.

That said, in humble opinion RVA is the beer capital of the mid atlantic.

Triple Crossing is my favorite brewery in RVA.

Anyone been to Pen Druid in Sperryville? They do a lot of cool wild yeast and barrel fermentation stuff.

I'm surprised you'd say that. I've been to Hardywood, Legend, Stone (not really rva original) and a few of the cideries in downtown and they've all been good but not great. Which ones are the best?

Try The Veil and The Answer

1-0 every week

Triple Crossing, Final Gravity to add to the above.

tcb interstellar burst is amazing.

I preferred the ivory tower but that entire release on Friday was phenomenal

haven't tried that yet, have cans tho.

Just got these cans as well (Interstellar and Ivory) - but had both yesterday while in TCB - both very good.

(Side note to you BCO- apologize in all my untappd checkins on your feed for 6:30am on a Monday morning - catching up from Forever Summer haha).

ha, i do that shit all the time to people.

just mad i couldn't go.

This inspired me to crack a can. Kind of funny so many of us were unwittingly at the same place on Friday

i got there about 2, saw a couple vt cars in the lot.

the veil - ipas, goses, milk choc stout and we haven't even seen their 2nd act, traditional sours.
triple crossing - ipas, berliners
the answer - ipas, super rich stouts and heavy fruited berliners
final gravity - ipas
hardywood during imperial milk stout releases

they have a couple new spots out that i need to try like vasen.

the first 3 are cutting edge and beer nerds trade like crazy for their stuff. i guess it all depends on what you are looking for in your beer.

In my opinion you have yet to go to a top 8 brewery in the city limits (Hardywood excepted, but I'm biased because they have a great scene and live music, and I'm not counting Stone). Already been metioned, but
Tripe Crossing
The Veil
The Answer
Plenty others that are merely good (7 Hills is the only one I'd consider bad) but those top 3 are incredible (especially if you like IPAs).
I keep having good beers from Steam Bell and Kindred Spirits as well but haven't visited yet.

Not Raleigh, but outside of Charlotte is D9. Their sour beer is incredible. They harvest the yeast and microbes locally. Just started distributing some beer into my area (DC). It's really fantastic stuff. Top knotch sours.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop


"We were at the pinnacle, and we did it for years," Foster says. He pauses, nods, takes a deep breath. "And I did it with the best guy in the business."

I have spent almost $45 on two different mixed 12 packs of Stone IPA in the last week. I regret nothing.

That team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I mean I've seen teams suck before, but that was the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

Heading to Half Acre and Lagunitas in Chicago this weekend. Can't wait!

The only TKPer to not like Bourbon

Revolution Brewing in Chicago makes some good brew (good food too)

Revolution came down to Cincy for the FC Cincinnati vs Chicago Fire Gold Cup match and had a little competition with local brewery Madtree that the loser of the game had to donate a dollar for every can sold at the pregame festivities to a charity of the other brewery's choice. Win-win all around as I got to get my hands on several awesome Revolution beers and FCC pulled out the win in shootout. Good stuff up there at Revolution.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Me and the wife got tickets to the members only session at the Great American Beer Festival in Denver. 800 Breweries serving 3,800 beers! I seriously have no idea where to start with this one.

It is intimidating when you walk into the festival. Your mind tells you to drink all the beer but have some self control and pace yourself. Definitely eat before hand and drink water during the event, you'll thank me later!

1-0 every week

Its cheesy, but make yourself a pretzel necklace. Yes, its sounds stupid, but I've started doing this at festivals and regret nothing.

At GABF you'll feel stupid if you DON'T have a food necklace. Last time I was there people had lots of other shit like beef jerky and cheese sticks strung on them too.

For those of you who haven't Keyed Up yet, please do so.

Stopped by Dogfish while I was in DE for work last week and picked up a bottle of Oak Ages Vanilla World Wide Stout.

I like the normal WWS but I'm usually pretty iffy on their higher percentage beers (i.e. 120 min.) I know you're technically supposed to age then but I don't have the patience for that. Should be an interesting endeavor this weekend.

If you get a chance, try the B*thces Brew. Killer.
(And I have an '08 WWS I'm going to open possibly for the WVU game. THAT should be interesting.)

And if anyone is on the shore, hit me up!!!!! I'm around, and only an hour from DFH. Less to Burley, Evo, RAR...

I'm a man! I'm 43! Hokie thru and thru.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Bitches brew is great. My favorites of theirs I can't find anywhere around dc - 75 min IPA and Burton Baton. I really wanted to like the Palo Santo, but it's a little too rich for my blood.

Not sure where you are in DC, but I'm almost 100% positive that Fenwick Beer & Wine in Silver Spring regularly stocks Burton Baton. Great little store, btw, even being limited by MoCo beer laws.

I've only ever had 75 minute at the DFH brewhouse, where they just mixed draft 60 & 90 minute 50/50.

9 yo 120 was AMAZING

Fresh 120 is one of the only beers I have ever poured out. That one was rough for me.

Just cracked the WWS open a little while ago and hot damn it's good. A little thick because of the high % but it is a very good slow supper. I'll definitely be picking up another bottle or so. Might try to see if I can keep one for a while and let it age.

Speaking of beer: anyone going to Veil Forever Summer Fest tomorrow?

went last yr and was great. can't this yr as it's 90 mins away and I'm single parenting. adulting can be hard. enjoy.

Have heard nothing but great things about last years' event - looking forward to it!

How was it?

It was very good - and a very nicely run event. They had a total of 31 different beers, and I made it to 15 of them, as some where giving more than 3oz on the pours.

My top 3 were (in no order):

Adult Human - Trillium
Galaxy DDH Juicy Bits - Weldwerks
Funky Blender - Casey

Nothing Gold from Bissell could be thrown in there as well.

The surprise of the show had to be Final Gravity Scentifical Madness - that was one of the beers that a lot of people were chatting about.

BOLO for the new Independent craft brewery seal on packaging. Its basically to distinguish real craft breweries from the one's ABInBev have purchased and disguise as craft.

To qualify as craft, a brewery must meet the following criteria:


Annual production of 6 million barrels of beer or less (approximately 3 percent of U.S. annual sales). Beer production is attributed to the rules of alternating proprietorships.


Less than 25 percent of the craft brewery is owned or controlled (or equivalent economic interest) by an alcohol industry member that is not itself a craft brewer.


A brewer that has a majority of its total beverage alcohol volume in beers whose flavor derives from traditional or innovative brewing ingredients and their fermentation. Flavored malt beverages (FMBs) are not considered beers.

It's free for a company to register for it and many bottle and can companies have agreed to allow breweries to change their packaging without a fee to add the seal.

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And it's almost necessary due to the AB distributors getting to set the grocery shelves. It used to be they segregated what AB own. Now they intersperse it.

Additionally RIP Blank Slate Brewing Co here in Cincinnati, first craft brewery of the recent resurgence to close it's doors. Made awesome beers with unusual ingredients, but didn't have the location to build up a customer base like many of the other breweries. The owners are longtime homebrewers that made it big for awhile and hopefully they land at another brewery and keep churning out great beers.


Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Went to Total Wine to get a box of wine.

$200 later...

That's a lot of boxes of wine. Slap the bag for days.

A few boxes, rest of it was beer.

Fall seasonal beers are popping up. It's officially football season my fellow Hokies

Got my Octoberfest in the secondary fermenter the other day. Hoping it will be ready by the Clemson game

One day I'll venture out and start making my own beers.... One day

Who is on Untappd?

My username is Lespaulkid01. Add me!

never heard of it ... 5600+ checkins later. lol