The Hokies Win the Commonwealth Clash for the 2016-2017 School Year

First, some history. Leading up to the 2005-2006 school year, something called the Commonwealth Challenge was contrived to keep track of head to head results between LOLUVa and Tech in varsity sports. The idea was to give credit to the school with the most successful athletic program, not just the one who could win the Commonwealth Cup for football. The Challenge only lasted two years as it was cancelled in the wake of the 2007 shootings.

Fast forward seven years and just as many VT football victories over LOLUVa to 2014 and the Challenge was resurrected as "The Commonwealth Clash." I can only imagine the organizers watched year after year as the wahoos' losing streak worsened and felt that they needed something to officially recognize the "one trick pony" argument their fans default to.

There is an alternative theory about the origins of the Clash. The first year of the competition took place the fall following Whit Babcock's hire. The thinking is that Whit pushed for its creation so that his department wide rebuild could be well documented. There is absolutely no evidence to point to this, but, as you'll see, it's certainly doing the job right now.

Anyway, back to the 2014-2015 season. Apart from the yearly thrashing of LOLUVa on the football field, it did not go well for the Hokies. After a good showing in indoor track, the only bright spot of the year was sweeping LOLUVa in baseball (which was actually a big deal since they later won it all) which was not nearly enough to make the clash competitive. Final score: 15-7, LOLUVa.

2015-2016 didn't go much better. LOLUVa won 14-7. At this point, all the hoos down in hooville reveled smugly in their obvious superiority outside that one pesky saturday in November. The Clash was confirming what they always knew: that Tech would never be able to compete when it really mattered.

Well, screw them. In the 2016-2017 academic year, Tech owned the fall, only missing out on points in women's soccer and men's CC (they tied in men's soccer). LOLUVa made up some ground with women's basketball and women's swimming and diving, but only managed to split the point for men's basketball due to Tech's 2OT defeat of the cavs at Blacksburg. Tech then rattled off a string of early spring victories culminating in getting the point for softball in early March, bringing the total to 9-5 in favor of the good guys.

Given that the hokies had never gotten more than 7 points, this could have been a victory in and of itself, but Hokie Nation wanted the win. First team to break 11 points would win outright and in the case of a tie, the school with the most ACC championships in qualifying sports (sports that both schools play at a varsity level) would win. Unfortunately, spring sports is where LOLUVa really dominates. Tennis, Golf, and Women's lacrosse are about as froufrou LOLUVa as you can get. Predictably, LOLUVa swept these, along with men's baseball (albeit by way of a 1 run win in extra innings) to pull ahead 11-9.

The only remaining events were outdoor track and field for the men and women. By seeding, LOLUVa should have walked away with the men's side and the women's side would have been a toss up. But all the wahoos needed was a single point to maintain their death grip on the clash title. Welp, on the women's side, Tech came from out of nowhere to dominate and outright win the ACC championship.

On the men's side, LOLUVa had this one wrapped up until two fateful events. First, their top triple jumper posted a distance good enough to win the gold only to have it declared a foul after protest. His next two jumps were also fouls. So an athlete who was set to put up major points for the cavs dropped a big ole 38-0 bro-esque goose egg. Even with that, LOLUVa was still sitting in first place. Then came the men's 4x400 relay. Tech grabbed bronze over Pitt by 1/100 of a second. The points from that finish were enough to propel Tech to a 1 point win over LOLUVa to take the ACC championship.

Let me say that again, Tech just needed to place better than LOLUVa on both the men's and women's side and instead they won the whole damned thing (cue major league gif...)

Of course, this just took us to a 11-11 tie, but remember the tie breaker? Well, LOLUVa managed to post as many relevant ACC championships as...
a) fans at their spring game
b) # of times Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Logan Thomas, Tyrod Taylor, Marcus Vick, Bryan Randall, and Grant Noel lost to LOLUVa, combined
c) # of 11 win LOLUVa football seasons
d) all of the above

(psst, the answer is d)

Tech, on the other hand, won the ACC in wrestling, Men's Indoor, Men's outdoor, and Women's outdoor. If my math is correct (and since I did not go to LOLUVa, it probably is), that means we tied in points at 11-11 and won the tie breaker 4-0 (sorry wahoos, your field hockey ACC title doesn't mean squat here). So, in its third year of competition, the Commonwealth Clash title goes to Virginia Tech.

You may now commence fam-ing.

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"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I have a new favorite gif. Any idea where this happened? Hilarious.

“You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

No tail, might be a rock ape from Gibralter. They're known as unpredictable and mischievous, and sometimes mean.

Edit: Looked again, saw the tail...nevermind.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Nah, the Gibraltar apes are mostly lazy, the industrious ones will steal whatever you got that looks like food though.

'07 Mechanical Engineering

“It’s not a date, where you need to like somebody. It’s a get-after-it session is what it is.”
-Frank Beamer

Had one on my back reaching into the hole in my coat pocket after a leftover peanut I didn't know was there when I was 7 years old. When we got out of the cab that took us to the top, the driver took the windshield wipers off the car and stashed them inside. None of the cabs bothered to have a radio because they couldn't keep an antenna. Those apes were memorable.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Did some googling... This source says it is a Shimla Monkey.

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"Step on a crack, break Miami's bak"
- ThatOneGuy

"Hurricanes are uncontrollable and the models predict continued chaos"
- Eshiben5 (probably)

Pure gold. LMAO!

georgebd

Fantastic result and thank you for the great write up! Beating them in this competition/clash is significantly harder than in football. I think we are all Whitnesses to what is happening with the athletic department. Big changes are coming and I won't be shocked if this becomes more competitive.

I have one minor correction: Bryan Randall was the starter in the 2003 football loss vs. UVA.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

dammit, thanks.

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FAM!

"Just wait till rowing season! Oh wait, you don't have a rowing team? What a miserable excuse for a University you are!"

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"Step on a crack, break Miami's bak"
- ThatOneGuy

"Hurricanes are uncontrollable and the models predict continued chaos"
- Eshiben5 (probably)

Only one person on that photo should ever even considering wearing spandex...

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and the guy on the far right is pretentious even by LOLUVa standards.

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"Step on a crack, break Miami's bak"
- ThatOneGuy

"Hurricanes are uncontrollable and the models predict continued chaos"
- Eshiben5 (probably)

Get rekt LOLUVa

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

This Wiki page seems to have been a collaborative effort by Le Sabre. Maybe it is time we updated it?

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"Step on a crack, break Miami's bak"
- ThatOneGuy

"Hurricanes are uncontrollable and the models predict continued chaos"
- Eshiben5 (probably)

The Cavaliers are signed with Nike through 2025, at $3.5 million per year.[3] The Hokies are also signed with Nike through 2022 but receive significantly less, at $1.98 million per year.[3] Moreover, UVA is the most popular overall college sports program in Virginia as of 2015 — with the state splitting 34% for the Cavaliers versus 28% for the Hokies — despite UVA having fewer students and a smaller alumni base than its rival Virginia Tech.[4]

No mention of the 13 consecutive football losses to Tech, but they made sure to include this. Really grasping at straws here

Yes. They're way more popular.

We put the K in Kwality

I'm pretty sure that 2015 survey was taken by Zima Today magazine.

We put the K in Kwality

It's Time to go to Work

I'm always skeptical when people don't publish their methodology and ask you to contact them privately for more info.

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The programs do not square off in all sports, as Virginia Tech does not field as many teams. For instance, the UVA men's lacrosse team has never played against a Hokie team and is therefore not a participant in the Clash. Virginia Tech does have a women's lacrosse team, but has yet to field a squad to compete in the men's game, due to Title IX restrictions. Other ACC varsity sports Virginia fields teams in, but Virginia Tech does not, are field hockey and rowing (another sport where UVA won recent NCAA titles, in 2010 and 2012).

It's because they forgot to mention that UVA doesn't field a varsity-level football team.

Mmmmmmm, wahoo tears...

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Next up a Hokie buys out Zima and just fills the bottles with water without telling anyone. Hoos still drink it after losses as the taste of defeat is too strong to allow them to notice the difference.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

“I turned down 12 other opportunities. You know what I mean?” - Fuente

I always feel bad for this woman when I see this gif. You got spirit lady, but it's a lost cause.

Dude is like, "shut up and stop embarrassing us".

Where is Lawson?!

I can never stop laughing at the daughter. She is seriously questioning her life.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7


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The Clash was confirming what they always knew: that Tech would never be able to compete when it really mattered. Well, screw them.

Much better without the picture in the middle of this.

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Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever
Let's Go Hokies!!

Oh, so I guess the Clash does't matter now? Since...you know...if UVA doesn't win (insert sport here) it doesn't matter. Oh oh oh! and just wait until (insert sport here) starts!

By the way, how many national championships have you won?

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck, don't ever come on my show and talk about your football." - Colin Cowherd

Anyone looking for a deeper look at this, I'd recommend Bitter's article today in the Roanoke Times. We can be proud of our progress, but we have a ways to go to catch up to loluva historically, with the obvious exception of football.

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A friend sent this to me today. It's a campus minister at NYU talking about a run in with Harvard students and students from other so called "elite" universities.
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Given what I've done for a living most of my adult life I have seen a representative sample of college student amour propre. Twice I've spoken at conferences with students from the University of Virginia. I can think of at least three people I know personally who went there and are really good people. I'm sure there are others. But on balance you will not find a human category more passionately in love with itself than UVA students. In one two-minute conversation I had a young woman correct me twice. No, she was not a freshman but a "first year". And she didn't like the campus, she liked "the grounds". They're not Ivy League but they will tell you (they told me often), "It's harder to get into UVA than an Ivy League school." No it isn't. And quit saying that.

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I unashamedly googled:

amour propre

So you don't have to:
noun
a sense of one's own worth; self-respect.
"few indications in him of ordinary amour propre or common vanity"

And for those of us who only read in gifs

bwahahahaha. Apparently it was the hokie coach that informed the judges that they missed a foul on the LOLUVa star triple jumper. LeSabre is burning. Cheaters never win...
Teel article about the brouhaha

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lol those idiots are up in arms calling everyone associated with VT every name in the book for the coach pointing out a foul that occurred that knocked them out of the title spot. They're seriously that delusional to think any competent coaching staff wouldn't have acted the exact same way with a conference title on the line.

Dumbasses deserve to have this Clash victory rubbed in their noses and shoved down their throats.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

The rule actually sucks big time, and needs to be changed. Either require that the protest come before the next attempt, or somehow allow another attempt. I sure wish the judge had caught it in real time, even if it (likely) meant losing the clash.

The way it played out is not fair to the athlete, and I don't particularly like the optics of our part in this. It seems the coach who saw it should have reported it, or else kept his mouth shut.

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"Step on a crack, break Miami's bak"
- ThatOneGuy

"Hurricanes are uncontrollable and the models predict continued chaos"
- Eshiben5 (probably)

You don't like the optics of our part? What part, the part where we pointed out a fault the judges missed or the part where our coaches caught something UVa's coaches didn't and it cost the Hoos the conference title?

Sorry, but this was a championship event, and you use whatever leverage you have within the rules to help yourself win a title. If that means pointing it out when an opponent from your biggest rival faults after that opponent got cocky and took the risk of going for broke and ending up faulting two more times resulting in an eventual DQ, so be it.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I'm not thrilled about the way it played out, but look at it like this... How's it fair to the other kids in the competition that competed fairly and didn't scratch? I agree that the coach who witnessed it should have reported it, but I also don't see how the VT coach doesn't report it either.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

I see both sides. I understand why the protest needed to be made because the judge missed it.

The optics I don't like are that our coach wasn't even watching the event, and that the protest came *after* the kid had made all three attempts. The combination reeks of "will do anything to win", which is an approach I don't care for. I doubt the intent was to wait until after the third attempt, but I can see why it would look that way (in other words, the optics of it).

It was obvious that the athlete was "letting it all hang out" on the last two attempts, and likely could have made a good jump if he had known the first was bad. Again, I wish the coach who saw it had reported it, and that the rule didn't allow it to play out this way.

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"Step on a crack, break Miami's bak"
- ThatOneGuy

"Hurricanes are uncontrollable and the models predict continued chaos"
- Eshiben5 (probably)

or how about his own coach telling him "Hey, you faulted on that first jump and technically, someone could protest it. Make sure you notch a good jump in these next two in case that happens." Know the rules and coach accordingly. Don't bitch and moan when someone else does their job and you don't.

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I agree with this whole-heartedly, they should have been watching and also advising their player. *Any* team who saw a fault should have reported it immediately, whether they were in contention for the championship or not.

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"Step on a crack, break Miami's bak"
- ThatOneGuy

"Hurricanes are uncontrollable and the models predict continued chaos"
- Eshiben5 (probably)

Exactly. This just reeks of that coworker who always gets pissed off and lashes out at everyone else when their own screwups are discovered.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I'm not sure what's wrong with doing anything to win, isn't winning the reason we play the game? They're not there to get a participation trophy. The rule is bad, it should be required before the next jump, but we played by the rules and won. I'm not going to apologize for anything. $1000 that their coach would have done the exact same thing if he was on the other side.

Rip his freaking head off!

I guess it is that our coach didn't see the fault and he reported it, while other coaches who did see the fault did not. Since we had the most to gain, I don't like the look.

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"Step on a crack, break Miami's bak"
- ThatOneGuy

"Hurricanes are uncontrollable and the models predict continued chaos"
- Eshiben5 (probably)

Need to read David Teel's article a little closer, then, because:

1. the time frame to report is 15 minutes. That's not a lot of time. In addition, there's a $50 fee to challenge the result.
2. VT had a 2010 Indoor ACC Championship lost because of an reviewed DQ
3. the FSU coach said he would have reported the foul if it meant one of his jumpers would have advanced to Nationals
4. the FSU coach further states he had a jumper lose out at a second place finish at nationals because of a review after-the-fact

Is it a bad rule? Maybe, but it is part of the rules. I don't see our coaches having done anything wrong in this situation. Or, to quote Herman Edwards "You play to win the game."

No no, I agree that the optics aren't great. I was just saying that, under the circumstances, I don't believe our coach could or should have acted any other way. Unfortunately, that won't change how it looks to others.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Whereas I don't think anything improper was done -- it's the rule until the NCAA amends it or removes it.

There is a difference between:

1. I think our coaches did something wrong.

and

2. I don't like how this looks from the outside.

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"Step on a crack, break Miami's bak"
- ThatOneGuy

"Hurricanes are uncontrollable and the models predict continued chaos"
- Eshiben5 (probably)

How it looks from the outside is we challenged the play under the rules. It's happened to our team and it's happened to others. If fans of other teams think it looks bad, that's their problem because the rule is the rule. Don't like the rule? Get it changed.

Optics...Schmoptics...

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apparently, LOLUVa just won the natty in men's tennis. Of course, they are crowing about it over on lesabre and talking about how they rank in terms of number national championships (and our lack of one). I'm just glad that the NCAA doesn't recognize douchebaggery as a D1 sport or they'd be at the top due to their current 40 year reign

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40 year reign

Did they have a down year in 1977 where they didn't act elitist and entitled enough for the championship? Now I want to know who they lost to. That's a big upset.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Its been a 2 way battle between them and UNC for the entitlement title for the longest time. Some call it the South's Oldest Rivalry

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

The best (read as worst) thing is, they both really like each other and call it a Gentleman's Rivalry. Like even when they are supposed to hate each other they still love jerking each other off too much.

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I clearly haven't interacted with enough UNC grads. Strike that. I've interacted with the correct number of UNC grads.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

It's actually the opposite. 1978 was like Beamer's 1993. Up until that point, most schools with douchebaggery titles had some sort of program history to justify the attitude. You had Harvard and Yale heading up the Ivy League and then there was Stanford and UC-Berkeley taking home the occasional title for the west coast. LOLUVa taking the title was a huge surprise, but it was enough fuel to propel their collective douchebaggery skills to heights never before equaled and not since surpassed.

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