Report: Notre Dame in talks to join ACC as full member

Tim Brando of Yahoo Sports is reporting that Notre Dame is in talks to become the 15th full member of the Atlantic Coast Conference.

The article goes on to state that UCONN is the favorite for the 16th slot.

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I am going to blatantly and outright steal the top comment from the cfb Reddit about this.

I like how it's a Yahoo article based on a SB Nation UConn blog that's mostly about how UConn should join the ACC based on a FOX Sports tweet about Notre Dame.

We wouldn't have to deal with them fouling up the ACC's bowl bids at the end of the year any more.*

*In years where they don't go 4-8.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Reports are coming in stating that the agreement will be finalized shortly after the ACC wraps up its UNC investigation

I'm confused. Is the appropriate response here the d&d "So there's a chance" gif, or one of the "Never" gifs?

Yes.

Saw d&d and wondered what Dungeons and Dragons had to do with this.

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That's so NerdMagic.

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Awesome!!! ACC can then change their name to the Big Coast Conference with OBE/ACC as the division names

Ole' Big East Division -Boston College, UConn, Cuse, Pitt, Louisville, ND, VT, UVa
ACC Division - Wake, UNC, Duke, NCST, Clemson, FSU, GT, Miami

This is also North/South if you didn't catch that!

But on a serious note, ND to the ACC is more good than bad IMO. Hate to think of 15/16 member conference though, not going to be able to play everyone in football. It's already to spaced on matchups as is, adding two more will be anarchy from scheduling perspective.

OBE wouldnt have LOLUVA, instead it would have Miami

Scheduling wise I'd imagine they go to pods of 4 (3 teams you play every year no matter what) and then rotate through the other pods. I'm not entirely sure what the rules on divisions for championship play are, but I imagine pods of 4 is feasible.

Love that idea

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Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

Please not UConn. Navy, Temple, Cincy, UCF, USF, Houston anyone but UConn.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Serious question, why not UConn?

No new market, outside of woman's and sometimes men's basketball they don't bring anything to league, they get over 35 percent of their funding from subsidies either student fees or taxes. We don't need another small bad NE school in the league for football.

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Word. Thanks for elaborating

I would rather have UConn than ECU.

Like that's a choice we should have to make.

Idk ... if the ACC added ECU, we wouldn't have to play them as much.

Shit you're right

And those other schools bring...?

Houston, great. Big city, adding Texas to the footprint.
Navy, fine. Add Maryland back, Baltimore/DC market, service academy is a great story.
Temple, ok. The other big city in Pennsylvania.
Cincinnati, ehh.... Probably the second best program in Ohio, give ND a closer geographical "conference rival"
UCF and USF are nonstarters though.

I would add them for the basketball alone. That's basically what we did with Cuse.

I'm kind of a pseudo Uconn fan because my grandfather went there and it could be a really positive thing to help improve their football team

Just like joining the Big East was going to help their football team.
Know what we got out of that?
An injured Lee Suggs.

I prefer Navy.

They would conceivably have three easy rivalry-ish games in the conference in Notre Dame, Georgia Tech (death by thousand cuts), and us with the Corps.

It would also return Maryland to the ACC footprint, giving an uninterrupted footprint from Miami to Boston.

In and of itself, Navy brings virtually nothing to the table.

A national following, a natural rival for ND, last game of CFB season every year, a footprint in MD/DC.

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I vote we pick up Stanford instead.

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I don't mind Navy but I imagine they'd want to do 16 for all sports. Navy can't compete in anything major but football. The rumored big fish is Texas (it was supposedly really close in whatever year everything originally went down) and I imagine if the ACC pushed it could get WVU. It's also important to remember that with the launch of the ACC Network there needs to be a lot of secondary sports to fill inventory, preferably quality stuff. UCONN is really strong there, even their baseball program is usually pretty strong.

My personal order of preference is 1) Texas 2) WVU 3) UCONN 4) Cincy 5) Navy 6) Ga Southern (though I doubt GT would let this happen)

Georgia Southern in the ACC? LOL

We are the Hokies. We will prevail. We will prevail. We will prevail. We are Virginia Tech.

They're a good football school with a really passionate fan base. Basketball is rough but improving and their baseball is usually pretty strong. We're not talking about a lot of real strong options to begin with.

I have lots of family and friends who attended and I've been plenty of times. I mean no disrespect, but it's a shit school in a shitty town with shit non football athletics and shitty academics.

We are the Hokies. We will prevail. We will prevail. We will prevail. We are Virginia Tech.

Wow.

Haha upvoted you. Like I said, I have friends and family who go there/have gone there. I exaggerated all of my points to make it more humorous and acquire more turkey legs (worth it). It's an ok school, but discussing gsu joining the ACC is laughable.

We are the Hokies. We will prevail. We will prevail. We will prevail. We are Virginia Tech.

it's a shit school in a shitty town with shit non football athletics and shitty academics

I exaggerated all of my points to make it more humorous and acquire more turkey legs (worth it).

Seems over the top to denigrate a small university for turkey legs. There are probably a lot of people who are very proud to have attended / played for GSU. Not everyone has the same opportunities.

I attended and played for a small school myself, and feel fortunate.

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I'd rather be at the Rivah.

It was said "With all due respect." I'm sure your University was great... as long as it wasn't ECU.

“I turned down 12 other opportunities. You know what I mean?” - Fuente

Saying "with all due respect" before something insulting just means that you don't believe the target audience is due all that much respect.

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It could also mean that you're quoting Ricky Bobby

I think this is what they were trying to convey...

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

forgot the /s ...

“I turned down 12 other opportunities. You know what I mean?” - Fuente

Seriously? I made a joke about Georgia Southern. If you didn't like it, move along. Hell, downvote it if you want. What's the difference between saying gsu is shitty and WVU is a shit school with shit academics? I don't care where you go to school as long as you bleed orange and maroon. I went to Georgia Tech. I don't get offended when people joke about nerds and the bad guy to girl ratio. This is a Virginia Tech website, and we should be able to joke about other schools.

We are the Hokies. We will prevail. We will prevail. We will prevail. We are Virginia Tech.

Where exactly did you make a joke? All I see is you shitting on GSU with a seemingly out of nowhere ferocity. Posting that Ricky Bobby meme is just rubbing it in. I guess some people think being dickish is funny? Knowing that you went to GT somewhat explains your vitriol, but you shouldn't be surprised that some Hokie fans to not share your hatred of GSU, nor do they appreciate the disrespectful manner in which you displayed it here.

And if you don't understand the difference between hating on GSU and WVU from a Hokie fan's perspective, then bless your heart. All due respect.

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The thing is, I don't have a hatred for GSU. My brother got a good engineering degree there. The discussion was about joining the ACC, which is a joke.
When the ACC was expanding, WVU was discussed. People said the same things about that school. WVU has good programs and parts of Morgantown are cool. People on this board went to school there. No one got their panties in a bunch over exaggerating WVU's shittiness.
If you still disagree with me after this comment, that's fine I'll take the L on this one. Appreciate your perspective.

We are the Hokies. We will prevail. We will prevail. We will prevail. We are Virginia Tech.

I thought the Texas thing died because Texas wanted two shares of all money. So divide everything by 17 and they get 2/17ths and they keep the sole rights to the Texas Network. Is it worth it to bring them in and pay them double what every other school gets?

NOPE

Edit: I will elaborate. Giving them a bigger piece of the pie is deal breaker for me. All of the other schools would have an increase in their travel budget to get there and would have a smaller share of total revenue to offset it. Yes I get Texas would add revenue to the total pot, but without the LHN coming with them, it is essentially a zero gain (offset by costs).

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

to be fair, most revenue sharing takes place after expenses under the current ACC set up. So even though Clemson had to share the money earned by getting to and winning the playoffs, they got to take all their expenses out of that money before contributing it to the pot.

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they got to take all their expenses out of that money before contributing it to the pot.

I bet the golf simulator in the new football complex was a expensed.

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I'd rather be at the Rivah.

Possibly, but I meant the bowl expenses got taken out. This is to keep schools that earn the conference money from losing money from going to bowls.

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This makes sense in terms of being fair the the Cuse and FSU programs that for sure have higher expenses than the NC triad. Is this limited to only expenses incurred for participation in conference play? I don't like the idea of a team scheduling camp in Italy or something and that coming out of the revenue sharing pool.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

I thought camps in Italy were only a Michigan or B1G thing.

anyone but UConn

WVU it is!

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I know it's not a popular thought around here, but with their relative success in both football and men's basketball, plus some other sports such as women's soccer, from an athletics standpoint (and location-wise) they really aren't a bad choice. I know other factors come into play when these things are discussed, but they'd be a much better choice than UConn in my book.

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If WVU can be in the Big 12, than a team from Indiana can be in the ACC.

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I like this a lot, except for the UCONN part, which I have no interest in, really.

ND and Navy. The Navy and ND rivalry can be continued automatically as they become rivals.

Navy would have to be the Atlantic as then both divisions get the pleasure of playing a chop block U every year.

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If we're adding an AAC team based on sports, I'll take Cincinnati over UConn. Besides being geographically closer, their Men's Basketball team is in a better place right now than UConn's. Football will have to be rebuilt under Luke Fickell. Cincy also has about 20K more students than UConn. Unfortunately, Cincy's academics are much lower than UConn's; however, most arguments about academics go out the window thanks to Louisville being in the ACC.

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Go Hokies

Go Falcons

Is it weird that I'm still in denial over Louisville being in the conference? My brain just refuses to accept Louisville being in the same conference with us.

Also a big and old rival of Louisville, who is missing a natural rival in the ACC.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

  1. Adding ND would be great
  2. Why bother adding UConn? Let's just do 15 teams, 8 or 10 game schedule, 4 protected rivarlies per school and top 2 teams get a spot in the ACCGC.
  3. Such a big move would make me a little nervous given the state of cable/cordcutting. I'm not convinced that more teams is the way to go, and I'm not a fan of picking up any team that lower the average earnings per school (looking at you UConn).

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If UConn joins then UVA won't be the worst football team in the conference anymore! Oh, wait...

My best friends sisters boyfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid that saw Ferris pass out at 31 flavors last night. I guess its pretty serious.

That aside, Notre Dame will never do this until they loose their contract with NBC. They have no reason too because then they would have to share their monies.

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“I served in the United States Navy"

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That aside, Notre Dame will never do this until they loose their contract with NBC. They have no reason too because then they would have to share their monies.

Not the "She Said Meter"!

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I would take usf or Houston over uconn.

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Why has no suggested the ACC simply tells BC to hit the bricks and stays at 14 members? This is the answer people.

Tulane. Top 50 school and new market.

How would this affect our 2036 Labor Day game?

But seriously The conference is lousy enough without adding UCONN. There are some really good teams in the conference but depth has to count for something. I cant even keep up with all the sh*tty football teams we have in the conference anymore. One because you dont play everybody very often and two they are irrelevant. Then we play somebody like Syracuse and lose. I mean how do u get up for a conference game hundreds of miles away against a team that barely has a pulse? We ought to be playing Clemson, FSU during that time. Hell even NC State or somebody, not Syracuse and UCONN.

The ACC was one of the deepest conferences in football last fall. 11 of 14 teams made a bowl game. There were obviously a few bad teams last season, but every conference has those. The ACC had top-end depth (Clemson, FSU) but also a surprising amount of mid-level depth. The ACC didn't go 9-3 in bowl games by accident.

Syracuse is obviously on a down cycle in football but historically they are not a bad program- they're definitely better than NC State. Geographically, Blacksburg is closer to Syracuse than to Tallahasse or Miami, and we have a lot of history with Syracuse since we've been in the same conference more often that not in the last 25 years. I get that playing a team who is down isn't exactly exciting, but that stuff is cyclical and very difficult to predict more than a few years out. Clemson was a pretty average team for about 20 years until Dabo took over. Their ACC championship over us in 2011 was their first ACC title since 1991.

I think going to 9 conference games and/or eliminating the permanent crossover would address the main point of your concern in that it would cut the cycle for playing each Atlantic division team from 6 years down to 2-3 years.

Like seeing the first migration of birds is a sure sign of Spring's arrival..... this piece of Brando's is a sign that we are officially entering the deadzone of CFB news where fake news is the rule of the day.... Hurry up and get to August already.....PLEASE!

Lets GO!!!!

Ha. Just glanced at Tim Brando's twitter (he was the one who started this whole rumor) and it's hilarious seeing him defend his report.

He is right in that the potential exists for ND to one day join in full, but they're just flat out not going to do that while they still have NBC money lying on the table. Sure, Swofford is talking big and confident about this ACC network, but that's all it is at this point - his word promising it's going to happen. Looking at how pathetically behind the curve he and ACC leadership have been and the lack of foresight and proactiveness, I'll believe it when I see it. ND would be foolish to leave their current situation for a bunch of smoke and promises from Swofford. If the ACCN does happen and is successful as he claims it will be, then maybe we have this conversation more seriously in 2019.

If the Irish miss out on Playoff bids because they have 1 loss and don't play in a championship game, then they will be coming sooner rather then later.

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I was about to refute this, but I wanted to back up my argument with real numbers, and what I found was a little surprising:

- In 2013, Notre Dame signed a new contract with NBC for the 2016-2025 seasons. Under this contract, NBC reportedly pays Notre Dame $15 million per year to broadcast their home football games. Since I can't find a value for the 2011-2015 contract, I'll just assume it was similar to this figure. Notre Dame also received a base of $2.58 million from the College Football Playoff, just for existing, as well as $4 million for playing in the Fiesta Bowl that season, for a total of $21.6 million.
- For the 2015-16 season (the most recent one for which the numbers are available, since the current season officially ends in June), the 14 full ACC members each received an average payout of $26.4 million. Notre Dame received a payout of only $6.2 million, for a total revenue (either from the ACC or from sources that would be replaced by the ACC payout in the case of ND joining the ACC for football) of $27.8 million.
- Combining those two points together, even if the ESPN contract would have been exactly the same with Notre Dame in the conference for football (which I'm sure it wouldn't, considering the value that ESPN would place on Notre Dame's games, which even if it's smaller than NBC it would still be significant), that would mean each of the 15 teams would have received an average payout of about $25 million.
- That means, hypothetically, the estimated floor for Notre Dame's revenue in 2015-16 would have been only $2.8 million less than they actually made. And that was a year with a $4 million bonus for playing in the Fiesta Bowl, where this year they made $0 from a bowl game.

Factor in the increase in TV revenue from the ACC Network starting in 2019, as well as the inevitable bump ($10 million? More? Less?) that adding Notre Dame would bring, and it looks like it might make financial sense for ND to make the jump, especially if they feel their path to the Playoff is easier with a conference championship game.

Damn good post, sir!

I've been wondering if it was going to happen where the rest caught up to and passed that ND contract, and it looks like that might actually end up happening, or if not already happened. If they're going to join a conference they're contractually obligated to join the ACC, and now it looks like there might actually be a monetary incentive for them to do so. The only way I don't see them making the jump is if they can restructure their NBC deal, but with the way the networks are looking to shed these massive deals because the financial mistakes they end up being to the provider, I am not sure that is going to happen.

It'll eventually come down to whether or not ND thinks annual matchups with USC and Navy are worth the millions they are leaving on the table by not adding 3 more ACC games to their schedule and joining outright. Thing is, I have a feeling they're pretentious enough to think it actually is worth it.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

I always wondered if there was an opportunity for split rights between ESPN and NBC if ND joined fully. NBC would then show 2 or 3 games every Saturday instead of just the Irish. I know some sort of hierarchy would have to be established for choosing games but it works really well for the NBA being split between ESPN and TNT.

In the end, acc makes a little more money and probably gets more exposure.

I think the only "split rights" we would see would be ND staying on NBC during the length of their contract (like how the Rose Bowl stayed with ABC when the rest of the BCS went to Fox). Once that contract expires and ND is fully folded into the ACC, then everyone would have to wait until 2036 for the next round of rights bidding. Maybe someone would be lucky enough to get at least a part of the ACC rights.

Y'know, that might make a bit of sense, given ESPN's current financial plight. Pass a portion of the ACC's bill over to NBC, giving them rights to ND home games plus one or two lower-priority ACC games each week.

ESPN already licenses out a few games to Fox (the RSN games). And at this point, they still need content. Between ABC, ESPN, and ESPN2, they need upwards of 9 games each Saturday. Depending on what they decide to do with U and NEWS, they'll probably still end up with at least six more game windows.

Meanwhile, the SEC sends at least one game to CBS and three to the SEC Network, while ESPN only gets the second choice of the Big Ten now.

Money isn't what will motivate ND into conference membership (at least not for the foreseeable future). Their football is a marketing/recruiting tool for an institution that sees itself as the national catholic university. The only thing that will force their hand is the playoffs becoming conference champs only. ND will have to choose between a national schedule with greatly diminished prestige/relevance or conference membership.

Ehh ND has always spread em for the Benjamins. The main reason they have remained unaffiliated in football this whole time isn't because of tradition, despite what they claim. Their reason was always because they had a sweetheart deal with NBC and the BCS where they got more money than any other individual school through the NBC deal and had an easy in to the BCS with the special deal they got there.

The NBC deal now looks to be trumped by the mega-deals the SEC, B1G, and ACC have signed, and the BCS was blown up, ruining their sweetheart deal. Things are trending in the right financial direction for ND's hand to be forced. Simply put, their clutch on tradition will quickly be eased if it makes financial sense to do so.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

Capitalism works, so eventually this NBC-Notre Dame thing will work itself out. In other words, I'd expect Notre Dame to end up in the ACC at some point.

Yep, I'd expect NBC to keep some rights, a la the SEC with CBS

"Have it your way dude."

But if ND was chasing benjamins, they could have joined the B1G. And their athletics donor base is as wealthy and active as any program in the business.

Not saying media money doesn't matter, but their calculus isn't like other schools.

Their calculus isn't so different from other schools that hasif they had their own NBC contract.

If When that goes away look for them to join a conference.

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I'm not sure what that means. But their current contract extends through 2025. So, for the foreseeable future, media money isn't a primary motivator.

And again, the major donors (plus a large chunk of the alumni/fanbase) and other decision makers in the organization place a premium on football independence for reasons other than revenue generation (which they're also pretty good at thanks in large part to independence). I could be wrong, but the only thing I see forcing their hand is officially getting shut out of the playoffs because of independence.

It means no, their calculus isn't any different than any other school, given their relative circumstance.

Media money motivates them just like everyone else. Yes, they have a large, solid fan base, which is why they still have an NBC contract in spite of a fairly mediocre record. If you were NBC, though, would you renew their contract?

As a test, if they didn't have their NBC contract, would they be independent?

I don't blame them for retaining their independence. Because, you know, they can. Their hand won't be forced any time soon, but they may come around to the realization that it makes sense to join a conference for access to the playoffs and for a dependable future. I think it's just a matter of time.

100% agree that it's just a matter of time. If we're wrong it's likely that ND's slaying their golden goose.

My point was that if anyone is expecting that to happen prior to 2025 (and maybe later), playoffs have to be officially closed to independents.

As an aside, I think this would be good for the ACC regardless of ND's decision on independence.

Just read something interesting in an article about the new Cubs office buildings next to wrigley - http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-wrigley-field-club...

"The third floor, Kenney said, represents Cubs 3.0. Its future use remains a mystery, though it might provide staff space for the team's network. Make no mistake, Kenney confirmed that the Cubs will create their own network in 2020, with a studio slated for the Mueller Building at 3721 N. Clark.

A potential relationship with Notre Dame, Kenney's alma mater, would yield non-summer programming. And don't forget Wrigley will host Northwestern football games beginning in 2020 and the Cubs are aiming to create an annual bowl game. Entertainment vehicles and revenue streams galore."

ND + Navy FTW!

Fake news. ND isn't trying to join the ACC and the ACC isn't looking for #16. Sad.

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This is the single greatest witch hunt of an athletic institution in American history.

No other college has ever been treated so poorly or so unfairly by the dishonest media.

Finally, some real Fake News. I am soooo sick of all the recent Fake Fake News!

Stop it with the Negative Waves!

What about "no politics" is so hard for you 3 to understand?

Hey man, I'm just tellin' it like it is.

Meh. Trumpisms have made the jump into meme-dom completely independent of political stance. I'm a staunch conservative but can still appreciate mocking ridiculous even if it comes from my side of the aisle. I figure doing so reserves me the right to laugh at the other side when they are ridiculous.

Were you offended by "make tech stick it in again?"

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Spot on. This has always been my stance. Satire is satire. Phrases become part of the common vernacular. The line is crossed when someone starts in on a particular person, party, ideology, etc.

What I posted wasn't political at all. ND is not trying to join the ACC in all sports, the report wasn't true. It was fake news, and I thought it was worth noting. As for the "sad" comment, well, maybe that one word was borrowed from the current political maelstrom, but I did not mean this as a political comment. What other posters may have intended is not my business.

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The world we live in, LOL. "Fake News" is considered to be a political statement.

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I'd rather be at the Rivah.

It shouldn't be, as both political parties are full participants.

Both parties have made just a farce out of the political landscape lately that seemingly anything lately is being labeled as politically controversial to push whatever agenda.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.