Tennessee fires coach Butch Jones

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21387123/tennessee-volun...

I never liked how that clown acted as if they were far superior to us at Bristol. Are there any recruits we can poach?

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Eh, no surprise there. I never really minded him; he was hilarious to watch with the media.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

I literally LOLed in the lab, then sent this to my sister (UT alum)

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Thanks Frank!

Haha uplegged you while singing it in my head

I was starting to think they just didn't want to pay his $10 Million buyout.

Where are you Butch? What will you do now?

We hardly knew thee

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Honestly, this is disappointing news. He had Tennessee trending in the right direction.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck, don't ever come on my show and talk about your football." - Colin Cowherd

I'm going to hope the next guy can continue the trend.

#LIFECHAMPIONS NO MORE

3...2...1...Butch Tells Recruit to Find Someplace Quick

"He said he didn't really expect that to happen, but it did so he told me to find a place to go, quickly ... and that if he gets anything he will contact me." 

Flurry of De-Commitments

Can we pursue the one that has his Twitter account verified? I feel like he would be the real deal since Twitter feels the same.

In the article it say's Ingle is looking more into NCST and VT now. Not sure how hard we are in need of a 3* CB at the moment though. But glad to get the look.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Stroman and Facyson are headed out, bring in the new blood.

Ingles, a three-star defensive back out of Orlando, announced on social media that he was reopening his recruitment. Tennessee is still his top choice, but Ingles told the Sentinel that planned to look more into NC State and Virginia Tech.

The Vol commits that I would be interested in flipping are:

Jamarcus Chatman - very similar player to Alim McNeill
Ollie Lane - OL with good tape
Anthony Grant - this is a maybe since we already have 2 RBs, though I think he would be the best of them, and I think we were in his top 3 before he committed

As stated above, I know Tanner Ingle was interested in us, but I don't think we need another small, 3* CB. I think it's Webb, Gervin, or bust at CB.

Lots of rumors surrounding Gruden. They might actually get him.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Found out today he makes EIGHT figures between ESPN and NFL and his related NFL endorsements. He isn't leaving that for all the rules NCAA has on coaching and recruiting.

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Yeah no way he leaves for a serious pay cut and a much bigger headache not only in coaching but coaching at Tenn. that place is a dumpster fire right now.

I don't recall everything about Phil Fulmer but looking back I think they handled that completely wrong and have been a train wreck ever since.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

I thought so too until I read a recap of all the rumors. I think it's a terrible move for both of them and he even said a college wouldn't want him (then again he did say it's his dream job). I mean, there is a LOT of smoke there.

https://www.rockytoptalk.com/2017/10/20/16505306/grumors-a-full-timeline...

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

That was a great read. Pretty interesting. Still don't think it will happen. As Gruden states earlier and Paul Finebaum states I think he wouldn't want to deal with all the recruiting and practice limitations in college.

Gruden appears to be that guy who just wants his hands on the game at all times. He wants to be teaching and coaching all day not just a few hours for a few weeks in the spring.

I'm sure he loves the idea of developing and helping young players out when you then start putting rules and refs around it I'm sire it can become quite frustrating to someone like him.

I would be way off but my 2 cents.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

I'm on the fence. It sounds like they can get him. But I think it's a terrible move for reasons we've all mentioned but if UT wants to risk by all means I'm here for the inevitable meltdown.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

He's one of the main reasons I still watch primetime NFL games. I hope he stays.

...really?

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I think there is a better chance of Gruden going back to Tampa than Tenn.... Just my 2 cents.

Unless he's one of the ones they're cutting after Thanksgiving...

Gruden would be the most expensive mistake ever. Not that I think he would be a bad coach or is a bad guy by any means, but I feel like he would get tired of recruiting, dealing with NCAA rules, and generally just managing 18-22 year olds after a few years and bolt back to the NFL or broadcasting.

Which is perfect for Tenn. They would spend an absolute fortune to get him, it would need to be at least Saban/Harbaugh money for him to consider it and he would be gone in three years or less.

Where's Hokiegirl when you need her?

I'll gladly sub in for Bristol native who hates Tennessee. They're making my job so much easier with their Champions of Life and trash cans. Gonna miss Butch Jones.

Not enough hate in this comment Kart. NC is making you soft.

Maybe so, but I went home last weekend and my uncle taught my 2 year old to say Go Vols. I told her to quit cussin'. We don't say those words.

RIP Butch Jones memes.

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I'm hoping they're stupid enough to bring Lane Kiffin back. Would help out Marshall a lot.

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Virginia Tech fanatic.

Do they have any OL recruits that actually played OL in high school, can compete in the ACC, and get on the field before they are a RS Junior?

Watching Butch on the sidelines is like watching a 1 legged person in an ass kicking contest.

I'm surprised ley sab-rey isn't floating rumors of Fuente leaving VT for Tennessee.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck, don't ever come on my show and talk about your football." - Colin Cowherd

Last night on CF Live on ESPN, they were saying that Tenn should go after James Franklin since he has coached at Vanderbilt before. but i feel he has a really thing going at penn state.

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LOL, what? I had to reread that. If it had said "Last year" instead of last night, it maybe made some sense. Franklin's seat was getting a little warm before 2016 season.

Everybody treats these SEC jobs as gimme, gimme, gimme. But LSU was open last year and at least Herman and Fuente said no. The same two were pursued by USCe the year before and said no. (Smart was a good hire by UGA but he was moving from SEC to SEC, jumped up a notch and went back to his alma mater). The year before, not a lot of great candidates out there and UF ended up with the immediately underwhelming Jim McIlwain.

It's been a while since the SEC landed a big name coach. I guess Bielema's jump from Wisky to Arkansas was the last time SEC'ness had that time of cache.

There will be a lot of SEC jobs open this year (UF, UT, Miss, aTm, Ark.....maybe Miss St if Mullens jumps). It will be interesting to track their hires.

Gruden isn't going to Tenn. It has failure written all over it. Not because he's a bad coach or anything but the NCAA has so many different elements and rules that he's never dealt with. The bar would be set so high. Also, why would he give up working 17 days a year for the same money to work his tail off?

Tennessee needs to just hire Dan Mullen and quit going for an expensive "big name" fix.

I have to declare this is second hand information.

Basically, a #sauce told a #marinade that John Currie (UT's AD) has been to Blacksburg (via plane) five times over the last three weeks. Same #sauce said UT job is down to Mullen (Miss St) and Fuente.

Not sure what to think. I hate Tennessee. Fuente would become public enemy number 1 around these parts.

Assuming this is true it's a pretty big bummer. Obviously I don't expect Fu to stay forever but if he's already considering a middle tier SEC school after only 2 years in Blacksburg then that's pretty disappointing.

Sometimes I like to leave off the /s just to mess with people.

I hope Fuente turns it down. Due to the nature of the information, I believe there is validity to it. This was someone close to the situation, not just a rabid fan calling into Finebaum show. There is always a lot of noise around coaching changes and we do not get a sense of the true dealings. Remember Bud being blindfolded on trip to meet Fuente? Whit is the deal master, for all parties. Hope someone can provide contrary info.

Hmm...

(checks flight aware)

Flight from a private Knoxville airport scheduled to Roanoke tonight. Oh boy...

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Butch Jones... The 10th assistant next year at tech?

Joking aside, I'd take it. Dude can recruit. We just have to keep him far away from game planning. Maybe we can name him Life Champion Coach?

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We assume that they are here for Fuente, but maybe they are here for Cornelson. I'm sure that Fuente would encourage him to take that job if available.

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

I think Cornelson would be the first to leave Fuente for a head coaching job. However, UT is looking for a bigger name to come in and clean house.

Based on?

Based on?

The fact that it's Tennessee.
The fact that it's Brad Cornelsen.

Say the following sentence out loud to yourself: "Tennessee hired VT offensive coordinator Brad Cornelsen as its new head football coach." Hear how ridiculous it sounds now?

Glad we've got him, but he ain't up for that job.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

I was more questioning "I think Cornelson would be the first to leave Fuente for a head coaching job".

I could read that two ways neither of which makes sense to me.

1) Cornelsen is ready to part ways with Fuente. I would doubt that given they go back to 2003 since their days at Illinois State.

2) Cornelsen is a hot commodity and he's up for other OC/HC jobs. I haven't seen any indications that's true either.

I wasn't questioning that fact that TN would prefer more, shall we say, "fire power".

I think Cornelson is likely the first to leave just because typically you have to be a coordinator before you can be a head coach, and if Bud was gonna leave he'd be gone. So more process of elimination then nuanced theory.

True. I think I interpreted that to be more probability oriented than status oriented.

My opinion. I don't see it as something outrageous or abstract. UT is paying Butch $8M buyout. They want to snipe a head coach.

Cornelson has the most upside if you are looking for an offensive-minded younger coach that would be a great value hire. I think it would have to be a smaller program that would take him as head coach.

Any chance this Fuente playing hard ball to get more money out of Tech?

Fuente tweeted that he was staying home (not techy, and I'm in mobile, so can't/don't know how to embed.

Warning- Filter lost.

"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

FREE THE "STICK IT IN" CHANT!!!

That's in relation to Artis commiting

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I think Fuente is playing the long con here. He's going to let them think he's interested. Then flip their recruits (and any considering) because they wanted him.

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Bud?

Nothing against Bud but I don't see his first Coaching job being that crazy house of horrors

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

I had the same thought. It would keep Bud close to the area he loves, and he could do scary things with the talent at Tenn.

Vols next coach: Rich Rod

Don't be ridiculous. Everyone knows that Fuente is leaving for Tennessee and RichRod is coming here.

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A sub-3 minute response. Damn, you're good.

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Something this important gets a priority response.

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Holy crap. That's some impressive driving there.

“You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
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You see impressive driving I see a driver who didn't take due regard for the red light at the interesection. Although I love firetrucks with a Roto Ray spinning on the front of the truck.

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This is an unfair ploy by fireman to get turkey legs. I think he is actually working for rich rod.

Get out of here.

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I know I am biased but why would anyone see Tennessee as anything better than a lateral change compared to tech

Money.

There are a ton of factors in all of these things, but in the end, people like money. They are confident in their abilities, their families are adaptable, etc. But everyone likes money and more money is better than less money, every time.

Open Poll: if Tenn. offered Fuente $5mil, would VT match?

Nope

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We wouldn't even try to get to $5M?

That's basically conceding that we're never going to be a nationally significant program again. Win 10 games and the Belk Bowl and our coach is gone to the SEC? Can't build a program that way.

If we truly cannot afford it I hope the athletic director is brutally honest with the fans. Donate more or readjust to Duke-level expectations for football. Or many will quit donating at all when they realize VT is now a head coach farm system, I guess.

We barely pay the ENTIRE football staff much more than 6 million. Yea Tech can't afford a HC making 5 million alone.

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I think you guys underestimate how valuable a good coach is to an athletic program. We might not deem Fuente is worth 5 mil yet but I would bet if we make the playoffs next year Whit wouldn't hesitate to write Fuente a Check for $5mil

With what money?

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They would obviously cut somewhere, but it would be seen as an investment. Football matters, after we went to the National Championship are application rate was its highest, and all the free press that comes with it. Both Sands and Babcock know how important a strong football program is to a university and if Fuente is building a winner they will pony up, plus continued success will lead to more donations and game revenues. We aren't UAB, we aren't on the cusp of Bankruptcy

And we don't pay like UAB, but to pretend we have the financial resources of Tenn, Clemson, FSU or Bama are laughable. If Fuente or any football HC was being paying 5 million, his coordinators would be making over a million each, the other 7 coaches would be making what 350,00-500,000? Tech can't sustain that year after year right now. To pretend it can ignores the facts.

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Not sure what to make of it all, but here are some salaries, for perspective.

1st: Alabama: $11.1 million
2nd: Clemson: $8.5 million
6th: FSU: $5.7 million
12th: Penn St. $4.6 million
20th: Tenn: $4.1 million
23rd: Georgia $3.75 million
33rd: VT: $3.25 million
47th: Maryland $2.4 million
50th: UNC $2.3 million

Source: USA Today

Wouldn't be surprised if we flipped with UT after this is all over with. All signs point to Fuente getting a bump and depending on who UT ends up with they might be about where we are now. Unless they get Gruden or Mullen.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

#5 is Rich Rodriguez at $6.1million at ARIZONA

Football makes us money. Its the revenue driver for VT athletics. We'd dip into public funding before we'd allow it to be shown we're not willing to price match to stay competitive.

And before you say we would never do that, Whit has already gone on record to say we are one of the few who don't dip into public funding with a big hint that he would change that if he had to. He takes pride he doesn't, but would do so to remain competitive.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

You think BOV will approve a yearly outlay of millions to Athletic dept?

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I learned long ago to never underestimate Whit's ability to get a deal done

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

The Art of the Deal II, by Whit Babcock.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

And, as an aside, I'm growing tired of the "but we have no money" arguments that are made time and time again on here. Yes, I get it, our fundraising isn't great, but they're working on improving that. No amount of constantly bringing it up on here will change that. But even with that said, we've shown time and time again that, when it comes to getting the guy we want, money isn't going to stand in the way, period.

When we dismissed James Johnson, we were told time and time again to expect a middling hire because we just couldn't afford a coach with a high salary. The budget wouldn't allow for it, so don't even try to think about it.... And then we hired Buzz Williams for $2.3m per year, at the top end of the ACC price range, and a number we were explicitly warned by budget naysayers on here could never happen.

Then Frank retired, and we were warned, don't bet big, because we're not going to be able to pay a lot, not with Buzz making all that money. Oh, now is when we go internal and go cheap and get an up and coming guy because we just can't afford... Right, we hired Justin Fuente for $3.2m. Oh, but expect the assistants to be a constant revolving door because we won't be able to afford them and... Oh, we gave them all significant raises last year.

And then we needed to make a change in baseball, and again, we were warned that we weren't in a position to buy the guy we want. We just don't have the salary and.... We hired John Szefc away from Maryland at $400k, to increase to $600k shortly, which starts at a $150k raise from his Maryland salary.

And I don't mean this as a harp on you personally, we hear this a lot on here. Yes, we know the budget isn't that of others, and we know our fundraising needs improvements, but how many times does this school have to show that we aren't going to let coaching salary keep us from being competitive before we realize that's the case? No, we won't be doing massive renovation projects annually like some other schools do, but we'll pay for the best coaches that we can, at least in our revenue generating sports. We can't afford not to.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I agree we can pay higher than we did under Weaver. But we can't pay high end P5 salary range. But point of order not every assistant got a raise. Wiles and one other took a pay cut.

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I dont think so. I also dont think Fuente is in a position...yet....to jump ship or make a case for getting that kind of money. We need to win a couple top 15 games and not lose the Syracuse and GT types. Lets see how this season finishes up.

With that said, if we were sitting at 9-1, I think we would get even more protective of our coach and do what it takes.

More recruiting resources. Knoxville is actually a really cool place to live.

But let me tell ya - if STANFORD were to offer Fuente, dream school for him I'm sure

It's a cool place... if you're a Tennessee fan. If you happen to be a fan of anything else, it's a living hell.

And the radio stations down there... awful.

Lived in Knoxville for a year. Can confirm.

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More money, more prestigious program, easier to recruit (both with regards to budget and location). The only downside is you have to deal with the politics of big time boosters. Some coaches hate that, others kinda thrive in that (Fulmer, Spurrier, Mack Brown, Pete Carroll).

I'd be surprised to see Fuente go given that he appears to hate the lime light, but I do think there are plenty of coaches who would make that jump in an instant.

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Why do we really care?

Where is Lawson?!

Still the Stanford Jokes haha. You guys would be crazy to not push your kid to Stanford. A degree from there and you're set for life. Don't get the hate

A degree does from stanford does not make you set for life. It helps you get your first job and the World sorts it out from there.

I don't know where you get this idea from that you can trade your Stanford degree for a high paying set for life job at 22.

I don't know where you get this idea from that you can trade your Stanford degree for a high paying set for life job at 22.

Isn't that how college is supposed to work???

I want my money back.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Sure kids wash out at every school and what you do afterwards matters more but Stanford is an Ivy level school. All that I'm saying is that the degrees are not equal.

https://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/bachelors

Money is as good a measure of success as any.

I would be proud to send my child to VT. I love VT. It's a great school but let's not pretend it's Stanford academically or in prestige.

I'm still hearing way too much Fuente chatter here in Knoxville (if you block out the ridiculous Gruden rumors) for my liking.

If it's from the same source that said UT's AD was meeting Fuente in Blackburg you don't have to worry because that person obviously doesn't know a thing. That's not how meetings with other coaches go down lol.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I thought I made it clear that it was second hand information. I was mostly interested in someone being able to refute what was shared with me.

I live close to the Tennessee line. More Vol connections than Hokie supporters around here. I've heard all the rumors and was curious about the Fuente connection. This one hit too close and was concerning.

As someone above said, this could be a ploy to get more pay, or staff salary.

You did make it clear, which is why I'm not sure what you're looking for. No one here can refute it with anything more than second hand information as well. But all the folks that are the first to know about those kinds of things (outside of interested parties) say there are other coaches they're targeting.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Didn't Whit fly to Memphis to meet with Fuente? Or am I remembering that incorrectly

It was a neutral site. They never said where though.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Echo chambers are a dangerous place

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You mean the last two losses and lack of offensive production have not soured the UT fans as much as some non-TKP Hokie fans?

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

I can't find the clip to hear the full segment but Sirius XM ESPNU had Thom Luganbvill (sp?) on the other morning and they were talking about the Tennessee interest in Fuente and mentioned that the Memphis team was a little distracted when VT was discussing his move here. Could some of the rumors/activity that we are seeing on the coaching front (Flight tracker, Talking heads, etc.) be distracting our coaches and adding to some of the questionable game planning/preparedness that we have seen recently?

They finished by saying what we all believe and have been saying - why would he leave the good situation he has at VT to take on the chaos that is Tenn.

Anyone hearing anything similar?

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Thom Luganbvill

You murdered that man haha.

And honestly, no. I think these rumors are just baseless rumors. None of the insiders are reporting that he's even a target. We're just regurgitating those rumors.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

The only talk i've heard from people who have actual first hand information say that Fuente and VT was a fit that is rarely seen in coaching searches, and Fuente didn't seriously entertain any other offers (these aren't mysterious friends btw, mostly from Podcast Ain't Played Nobody). That doesn't sound like someone looking to jump ship after two (very successful) years.

I would be very surprised if he moved to UT but it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility. The Tennessee fan-base is an absolute dumpster fire. Completely unrealistic expectations. But, they do offer more resources to recruit elite talent in the short term.

I honestly think something we've got going for us in retaining Fuente over the next few years is Bud. I think he's much less likely to want to jump ship in Blacksburg and Fuente will be hard pressed to hire a comparable DC regardless of which school he goes to.

Here is how I would imagine a typical UT fan reacting to talk of hiring Feunte:

"Tennessee just fired a coach that could at least beat GT. Why would they replace him with someone who cain't even do that."

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leg for "cain't"

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I regret that I have but one leg to give to that post.

C'aint deserves one all on it's own.

I'm gonna say it....Bud has to be a target at some point

That train has sailed. That ship has left the station.

That rocket has left the barn.

You guys are putting the heart before the course.

Bud is the next head coach at VT if Fuente leaves. He loves VT, he would have left with Beamer, if he really wanted to, and he really wants to see VT win a championship.

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I doubt that.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Bud's big knock was what kind of offense would he employ? I think he now has ties to a spread team, and would be able to maybe keep a Fuente coach on staff in an Offensive Coordination capacity, or go out and hire a similar type offense.

Bud won't leave the program. If Fuente leave's, which I doubt, you would want someone to come in and stay.

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I agree. I think Fuente is here for the long haul. But if he were to leave abruptly, I think Bud is the obvious choice. His initial contract would likely be cheaper than your annual hot name head coaching candidate, which would mean more money for staff. Hire a hot shot OC and invest in a recruiting-heavy staff. This would be my ideal scenario if Fuente were to ever suddenly leave. Again, I don't think that's happening and we have nothing to worry about.

I just don't see it happening unless he gets some head coaching experience somewhere first.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I don't know how Tennessee doesn't take Mike Norvall from Memphis. That has to be the move. Young, up and comer who took some talent Fuente left for him, and has been successful with it.

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If they are lucky, they eventually get there....after some public flameouts with Gruden (again, again), Jimbo, Franklin and Fuente. That's the Tennessee way, set your goals way too high, make them way too public, then settle for Derek Dooley or Butch Jones on the back end.

So if they land on Norvell, that's probably them getting lucky. If they are unlucky, the land Kiffin, Richrod or Butch Davis.