Justice League Thread (THE HYPE IS REAL)

As an unwarranted DC fanboy, I have been waiting for this movie all my life. I was disgusted by the effort in writing they put into BVS and excited when Wonder Woman overachieved, Now it is just straight HYPE.
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I'm still skeptical. Especially after I heard Ben Affleck was teasing a Wonder Woman/Batman love affair. When is the embargo lifted?

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D.C. sucks... Marvel Rocks, that is all.

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I left that on a Marvel thread once (except the opposite) and it got taken down by the moderator....

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

I will see it with Moviepass (thanks Warthog). However, for me, DC is just trying too quickly to do what Marvel has done over 10 years. You can't rush things like this. Aside from Wonder Woman, their movies so far have been very lackluster.

Money. We used it for Murder on the Orient Express Friday. It was decent. I'll post something in the movies thread.

Also, I agree 100%. They keep trying these big blockbusters without any backstory. Wonder Woman should've been before BvS. Feel like you need Aquaman and Flash at the least before Justice League. It's just too much to fit into one movie.

Marvel did Captain America, Iron Man, Thor all before they brought them together. It just makes sense.

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I don't understand all the hate for the DC movies. BvS had a lot of depth to it which is why people thought it went all over the place. It'll all tie up together soon.

And The Man Of Steel is probably the best Superman movie i've ever seen.

I'm contrarian in that I thought Wonder Woman was average but just had a lot of hype behind it, and though Gal Gadot did to a good job, the plot line was weak.

Sorry not sorry.

I don't understand all the hate for the DC movies.

The short answer is Zack Snyder.

The more expanded answer is that Zack Snyder was not the right choice of director to launch the DC movie universe. He has no sense of the tone that the DC Universe needs to have, and he does not have a grasp on the character of Superman. Plus, I don't feel that Snyder's aesthetic sense is an appropriate fit for the material.

The DC movie universe is being built on a foundation that has two significant flaws:
1.) It's being based on the concept that because Nolan had a great Batman trilogy because it was dark, then Superman should be dark.
2.) They are trying to get to Justice League too soon. No time to even introduce Batman in his own movie first, much less any of the other heroes.

And The Man Of Steel is probably the best Superman movie i've ever seen.

The thing is, that's not saying much, considering that almost every single Superman movie has missed the mark somehow. The original one was probably the closest, but not only was it butchered in post-production, it hasn't aged well. Each one after that got progressively worse. Superman Returns might have had a shot if Bryan Singer hadn't been such a slave to the Donner films.

Plus, I don't feel that Snyder's aesthetic sense is an appropriate fit for the material.

Not sure what you mean by that? I enjoyed the "zoom" effect he does for the fight scenes for example.

Regarding your 2 points:

1. I don't think it's a flaw at all - it's a direction and just like Batman was very mild and campy in the 60's with Adam West, so was Superman throughout much of its history. The dark(er) side of Supes (if you can even really call it that) shows more of a balance of his human side and that while he may see things in terms of good and evil, humans are more suspicious of him. The quote that Bats had in the BvS movie along the lines of "How many good men are left in Gotham? How many stayed that way?" is a great line that applies to Supes for that exact reason of the human distrust he and others have in him

2. I agree they are rushing this though and didn't take time to develop other characters. I would've loved to see a Flash movie or even a Cyborg one before BvS or even Justice League.

The thing is, that's not saying much, considering that almost every single Superman movie has missed the mark somehow.

Again lol, very much your opinion but you're welcome to it.

Not sure what you mean by that? I enjoyed the "zoom" effect he does for the fight scenes for example.

The color pallette is dark and muted, and the backgrounds all look fake. I know that most of the superhero and sci-fi movies are filmed on a soundstage with green screen, but BvS actually looked like that.

I'd disagree with you too on that. I think it goes back to whether or not you agree with the less happier-version of the DC universe. It's appropriate with the general version / direction it's going in

I agree that Justice League is happening too soon but disagree that Batman needs his own movie first. We've seen the solo Batman story plenty of times now, we don't need another re-hashing of it IMO. What we need first are the Flash and Aquaman stories and then the JL movie. I actually like that by not giving this version of Batman his own movie, they're not building the franchise around him, bc it's not really about him.

you gotta shake it before you bake it!

And The Man Of Steel is probably the best Superman movie i've ever seen

That movie was terrible. So much crap. The over the top Krypton scene with Russle Crow riding some far fetched Alien thing.

Then you have Superman kill Zod. He would have never ever killed him. He would have been trapped in the phantom zone.

Also Amy Adams is the worst Lois Lane. She is lame.

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You're entitled to your opinion.

Well duh. All Tech fans are "entitled"

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Because it's right

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Also Amy Adams is the worst Louis Lane. She is lame.

I was with you.

Now your not? The woman that plays Lois on Smallville, blew Amy Adams out of the water. Lois has to be gritty, pushy, and a force to recon with. The Men of Steal version just doesn't grasp that at all. She's a strong reporter, but not the strong personality that she should be!

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The best way I can explain BvS is it was exactly the movie I wanted to see, with a whole other movie squeezed in. They tried to do a Man of Steel sequel and a crossover film at the same time. It was obvious they were playing catch-up to marvel. It should have been:

  1. Man of Steel 2, with Batman introduced in a cameo role.
  2. A standalone Batman film, set concurrently with the events of MoS2, in which Batman faces his own villain but grows increasingly suspicious of Superman.
  3. Wonder Woman introduced in either/both of these movies, leading to her own standalone pretty much as it is.
  4. BvS, with a plotline focused solely on Batman trying to take down Supes.
  5. Justice League, when Batman realizes the world needs meta-humans for the threats that it's about to face.

They tried to cram 1, 2 and 4 into one movie. It was just too much.

"I mean, you know, fuck them, but good for them." -Too Druck to Funk

Agreed. I would have loved any one of those variations. BvS could've been better for sure, but doesn't justify the amount of hate it got.

Because D.C. really sucks the Wonder Woman movie was the only decent one they have done. Man of Steel is the worst Superman movie of all time.

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Man of Steel wasn't the worst of all time, but it was definitely not a great film. I love action movies, but that movie by far had way to much of it.

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Somebody forgot about Superman IV: The Quest for Peace.

"I mean, you know, fuck them, but good for them." -Too Druck to Funk

Wonder Woman was amazing IMO.

But the best DC Superhero film was/is The Lego Batman movie and I'm not even being sarcastic.

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Damn he's right

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“I served in the United States Navy"

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...the Dark Knight was better than Lego Batman though

I mean only by the slightest of margins... that's the crazy thing.

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Lets be real here for a second. The Dark Knight trilogy was good because Christopher Nolan, not because of DC. Nolan has been putting out brilliance for a while now, and he did his thing with Batman. Outside of those movies and the Tim Burton original, DC has been poo for a very long time on the big screen.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Yeah I agree. Did I say something that made you think otherwise?

But to your point, what does that say about Zac Snyder?

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But to your point, what does that say about Zac Snyder?

Nothing good... But at the same time, it doesn't really say much at all. When the studio is so completely out of touch with what the viewing audiences always want, sometimes it doesn't matter what the director does, its set up to fail from the beginning. Even when you look at the Dark Knight trilogy, it can be argued that even Nolan couldn't truly save Batman Begins and The Dark Knight Rises from the studio. Neither of those movies are seen in nearly as good of a light if not for The Dark Knight.

I do find it interesting that, in a time where Marvel is raking in money hand over fist, DC seems to be stuck in 2000-2010 mindset where every movie has to be super serious and cannot for a second make fun of itself. Not every movie has to be soul crushingly serious, a point that Marvel realized with Iron Man and has capitalized on since. And yet, here we are with DC... (interestingly enough, the only recent DC movie that didn't take itself too seriously, Wonder Woman, is arguably the only success of the bunch... but much like the Nolan Batman movies, that will still very much be the exception until proven otherwise).

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Good points all around. Did you not like Dark Knight Rises, though?

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I liked it, but didn't love it.

Much like what happened with Batman vs Superman, they tried to cram too many ideas into one movie., Marvel can get away with having a lot going on in the Avengers movies (and Civil War, which might as well be Avengers 3) because they take the time to put everything in place with the standalone films. DC just shoehorns 3 plots into their movies and expects everyone to follow, and it just gets muddled. And having Bane essentially a puppet of Talia completely cheapened his character, in much the same way it did in the previous movie when he was the puppet of Poison Ivy. As a standalone, he was a badass, but in the end, he looked weak.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I may be in the minority but I did not like wonder woman at all. Just a First Avenger knock-off with a female lead

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
“I served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

I actually thought that Wonder Woman was a better version of First Avenger. WW had a lot of heart, and the final Steve Trevor scene got me all choked up. Everything about Captain American: The First Avenger felt flat and by the book. It's as if the filmmakers thought "Ok, let's get this out of the way so we can make The Avengers." The next two Captain America films were amazing, and Winter Soldier is still my favorite Marvel film.

The trailer's were hype city. Show the superheroes doing superhero things and play some power chords.

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"I'm rich."


I can't stand Affleck, but that's pretty funny.

This here is the highlight of Ben Affleck's career

He does seem bigger than life there.

But I thought the biggest character reveal was when he threw over Jennifer Garner for his babysitter.

I might get flak for this but I like Been Affleck's Batman/Bruce Wayne is better than Christian Bale's. The Dark Knight series was great but Batman/Bruce Wayne in the series I did not like. There seems to be more personality with Ben Affleck as Bruce than Bale and having a voice modulator is better than the "WHERE IS SHE!?" scream which was annoying. Also Alfred in the past two movies is a much better character than in the Dark Knight series.

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I would put Affleck in the George Clooney class: good Bruce/bad bat (forgetting that the movies were horrible). I don't think Bale was the best at either specific character but was the best overall.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

Did you just hate on Michael Caine, because it sounds like you just hated on Michael Caine...

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I was hype, but I saw something saying early reviews were not good.

I'm a dc fanboy as well, felt so burned by Suicide Squad.

Yes this, by far, was most disappointing.

Early test screenings a few months ago said the movie was "unwatchable" but critic screenings over the past week have been extremely positive

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SPOILERS: It will not be good.

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Yeah I remember this with Suicide Squad. I was super excited to see it after the trailers and the early little sample reviews. Then I went to see the movie.....lets just say Justice League doesn't have my full confidence going in. Hope they prove me wrong.

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There is a really good reason the reviews are embargoed

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All of the DC movies have been pretty meh with the exception of the first Keaton Batman and the Nolan Batman trilogy. Will be good wait for Netflix one methinks...

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
“I served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

I'm getting burnt out on comic blockbusters. Marvel continues to improve their movies and yet I am becoming more and more disinterested. DC comes to the party too late and with a lesser product than the well established Marvel. Ratings continue to soar for all these movies, but only because the studios are refusing to invest in any original ideas to compete with them at the big budget blockbuster level. Rant over...get off my lawn.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

Am I crazy for thinking the Justice League trailers look horrible?

Not at all. The trailers definitely have a "trying too hard" vibe.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Embargo is up and just as some folks have said, not good, not terrible. Metacritic link here.

No Rotten Tomatoes score until tonight, though.

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There's a difference between an opinionated review and dog-piling, I feel as though people are starting to bandwagon negative feelings toward this film just because it is DC and they want people to read their review

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

At this point I'm pretty sure a good review would generate page views. Not the other way.

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You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

Uh, what does a review of a Pirates of the Caribbean movie (which is largely accurate) have to do with Justice League reviews?

What I'm trying to say is bad reviews of DC movies have become the standard. Wouldn't a good review that is against the norm generate more page views since it's not what folks are used to seeing?

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I just think that people really like to bandwagon hate DC Movies. I agree with your point that a good review would probably get more views, but a sadistic, sarcastic, and arrogant review that scurns a fine movie will get a ton of reviews
I do think that Justice League will be better than this Pirates movie I brought up. But that movie was known to be bad before they even thought of it and probably didn't deserve the review it got
Reviewers like to be overly negative at the outset, It doesn't matter what the content is.

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

but a sadistic, sarcastic, and arrogant review that scurns a fine movie will get a ton of reviews

But early indications show that Justice League is not a fine movie.

Reviewers like to be overly negative at the outset, It doesn't matter what the content is.

I disagree. This is the mindset folks have when reviewers rate their money grab feel good movie badly.

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Can we have a movie with just Gal, Ezra, and Jason?

Put it this way... when the studio works a deal with Rotten Tomatoes to delay the reveal of the critic score of the movie until the midnight after the official release of the movie, you know its not for a good reason.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

And it looks like they held off for good reason... Movie only has a 48% approval rating on RT per the early leaks

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

The little show they did on facebook said a 43% but I still don't see anything on their website.

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It was leaked early by someone over on Reddit

http://comicbook.com/dc/2017/11/15/justice-league-rotten-tomatoes-score-...

It also received a Metacritic score of 51/100... So its in that dreaded 'critics don't like it, moviegoers don't like it, either'.... I'll probably see it at some point next week, but I'm not expecting much

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I'm trying to budget my moviegoing a little, and this movie is one of those I was on the fence for. But Thor: Ragnarok was a must-see for me (and was worth it) and Star Wars in IMAX on opening weekend means that Justice League is going to be a small-screener for me.

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Dude, Moviepass! Noticed you're in Lynchburg too. The Regal accepts it!

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I am going to try Moviepass soon. I split my time between Lynchburg and Shawsville, and when I'm at the latter I usually end up going to CineBowl. My 100% guess is that they don't play with Moviepass. However you're right, I do end up going to Regal some and would probably go more often in Lynchburg if I had a deal like that.

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Looks like they do. Most theaters do. I think any theater that takes mastercard takes it since that's all it is. Blacksburg moviepassers might be able to confirm but they list it on their website.

https://www.moviepass.com/

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Ah even better then. Definitely gonna give it a shot. Thanks for the info!

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I'm putting JL in the same camp as BvS. I'll watch it, but I don't want to pay for it. Fortunately, BvS showed up on HBO. When I had to sign a new cable contract in the summer, they added all of the HBO channels free. So, I'm not even paying for the subscription service, which I would be if the movie was showing up on Netflix.

Honestly, I never care about reviews. With two kids under 4 I rarely get out to watch movies so I have a Three BAG #SAUCE rating based off my life.

1 BAG #Sauce : Reminded about the movie due to it being on netflix and thinking to myself "oh I remember something about this, nothing else on let's check it out" (Stepdads, Jack Reacher, Some rando chick flick)

2 BAG #Sauce: See the trailer, like how it looks, dont feel like spending money on a babysitter, dinner, movie tickets, and popcorn. Wait till it comes to redbox or online format. (most marvel movies, a few dc movies, nominated movies, Tom Hanks)

3 BAG #Sauce: Followed the story from the beginning, my favorite actor, storyline I'm interested in. (STAR Wars, Some Rando Chick Flick with some sensitive guy with abs of steel that my wife likes to watch and it heats the "slow cooker")

So I will watch it and not care as long as I escape for a few hours.....

All lifetime and hallmark movies get a ZERO BAG Sauce Rating

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See it's not that bad

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

Down to 40%

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It's somewhere in the 30's now.

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Audience Score of 86%

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

I mean, Suicide Squad, for which I've never heard a positive take from anyone, netted a 61% Audience Score (26% Critics).

We're also still on release day, so the only audience that's seen it are pretty much die hards.

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I am a Marvel kid at heart. But, I saw Justice League last night. Outside of the antagonist being kind of lame, it was a good movie. It kept my attention and felt like it flew by. The Flash is very engaging.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

Do you speak of Flash as a blocker (engaging)? I would have thought you would have commented on his ability to run routes or use his speed to get past opponents /s

Saw it tonight. It was AWESOME!!

"We were at the pinnacle, and we did it for years," Foster says. He pauses, nods, takes a deep breath. "And I did it with the best guy in the business."

Saw it last night.

Was decent, but with flaws.

movie goes fast but missing drama. Bad guy was lame and too easily defeated. Or at least once the whole group was formed. I guess when the bigger bad guy he names comes then it will be a better fight.

And tonely it felt like 2 styles because of the director change over. They need to get rid of Snyder altogether and let directors that can deliver story come in. Like Patty Jenkins on Wonder Woman.

Oh, and I know it looks like how he runs in the comics but the flash running at speed looked comically bad to me.

Also saw it last night

The Good
- The Team is very likable and each has a specific role. We see each utilize their powers in some pretty cool ways.
- The Flash is absolutely hilarious and I enjoyed the fresh change from the mopey pile of goop on the CW.
- The plot was amazing, although it would probably serve you better if you knew the source material
- This movie was the perfect way to kickstart this universe and included a lot of little details that would help set it up
- IF YOU DID NOT STAY UNTIL THE END OF THE CREDITS......

The Bad
- Sometimes it really felt like they were fighting for nothing. It felt like a detriment to the movie to not have the final fight in a city or in the U.S. It felt as though they were fighting to save one russian family and not the entire world
- Aquaman, I felt, got the short end of the stick. Most of his stuff got left on the cutting room floor and it really shows.
- In one of the strangest conflicts in movie history, Warner Bros. was forced to spend A LOT of money to CGI over Henry Cavill's mustache and it really does not look good

Final Thoughts- This movie was real good. It helped set up what could be a solid movie universe. If you had the choice between this and Ragnarok, I would probably recommend Ragnorok, as an average person could probably get a little more out of it, but if you enjoy Superhero movies and follow Superheroes semi-closely, this is your movie for sure

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

I loved how they included "Fourth World created by Jack Kirby" in the credits.

"We were at the pinnacle, and we did it for years," Foster says. He pauses, nods, takes a deep breath. "And I did it with the best guy in the business."

Watched it last night. I actually liked it even with some flaws but enjoyable. Had to look up who the villain was, I don't mind researching who it was and glad it can affect later movies in the series. Also it didn't go grimderp like BvS did and was better for not going grimderp.

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I just saw it. It was ok. Ok.

I will say that Batman and Superman are the most boring out of them all. I thought Wonder Woman and Aquaman steal the show. And Barry Allen is pretty good. The guy playing him bothers me for some reason.

I think I enjoyed Superman much more in this movie actually despite him not being in it for very long. He's much more the big blue boy scout that he should be in my opinion.

"...When we step on that field, they bleed like we bleed and we're gonna show the world."
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