Open Thread: NCAA Ruling on North Carolina

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Prediction:

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

UNC chess club is gonna get it!

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ANGELA WAS A SERIAL KILLER

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Ok now I have to ask for a source on this theory

That team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

Based on a Friday ruling...

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I'm a simple man. I like pretty, dark-haired women and breakfast food.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

Do we think that if the ruling was going to be released during a hurricane that it would affect the outcome for UNC?

Again, I'll believe it at 10:05...

Do you believe it now?

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

They didn't find a single violation. I mean how the fuck.

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Oh fun. An open thread while I'm at work.

No violations

No punishment

Case closed

This is what corruption looks like

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Somewhere it was said, sports are a reflection of our society. I agree (with you too).

Play ball!

When the people in charge of leading the investigation are UNC alumni, did you expect anything less?

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Actually, I was bitching because I couldn't find a freaking link anywhere. Had to go to the reddit thread via a tweet to find that link.

Literally nothing


NCAA walking away like

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

They even said it themselves, "The student athletes likely benefited from these so-called courses"

"Because everyone paying thousands of dollars might have gotten a fake education, it's all good"

Well except that the odds that 50+% of the grades issued for fake classes would go to school athletes as a random occurrence is lower than 1 an a trillion.

All I want to know is will UNC be covering their wrist to soften the slap, or will they take it on bare skin?

"A loss of one half of one scholarship for no lesser than 3 years, each non whole scholarship alottment will be rounded down and will constitute one actual scholarship, meaning that one half of a scholarship will represent one full scholarship to be granted by the athletic department. We hope that UNC learned their lesson and may God have mercy on their souls."

The NCAA defers to its member schools to determine whether academic fraud occurred and, ultimately, the panel is bound to making decisions within the rules set by the membership.

So, if the NCAA ran courtrooms . . .

Judge: "Did you kill that man?"
Defendent: "Uh, no."
Jury: "Not guilty."

No, it's more like...

Judge: "Did you kill that man?"
Defendant: "Well...I stabbed him, but all these other people stabbed him too."
Jury: "Not guilty."

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

So...... Murder on the Orient Express?

Here lies It's a Stroman Jersey I Swear, surpassed in life by no one because he intercepted it.

Every school in the freaking country should set up a "program" like UNC. The NCAA just openly admitted they don't give a crap about the "student" part of student-athlete(Not that it wasn't already obvious).

I've always been on the side that for 99% of student-athletes that the scholarship more than compensated them for all the work they put in with their sport. But if you can get away with not giving them an education at all, Every single one of them should be paid!

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

Sounds like we are about to see a shit load of paper classes at the one and done basketball schools.

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Lol

Honestly, if you've ever received punishment from the NCAA how are you not spitting angry right now? Southern Cal, Penn State, Baylor, Miami, Louisville, etc have got to be absolutely furious to see UNC skate with not even a slap on the wrist after the punishments those schools have received over the last couple decades.

At this point, it's time for everyone to call the NCAAs bluff here and just start cheating as a whole. Have everyone pay players in bulk and tell the NCAA to fuck off if they come sniffing. It's time to treat this as the secondary professional development league that the NCAA acts like it is without letting the employees be compensated for their work.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

The FBI is apparently now the enforcement arm of the NCAA.

So why was this delayed an extra week or two?

YNC request because of start of campaign to get new donation plan started.

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Not a joke... UNC started a fundraiser last week and people tend to give more when the NCAA is sniffing. UNC stood to make more by delaying, and considering how the NCAA is literally run by UNC alumni....

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Shoot, I thought it was the other way around.

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

But I'm not surprised.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Sounds like we need the FBI on the case

Expected but absolute bullshit!

I knew this was coming and I'm still pissed off.

L-O-FUCKING-L

They Sux Big time

Hokies, Local Soccer, AFC Ajax, Ravens

I'm so angry....that I'm going to pull for Uva this weekend. Don't @ me.

No I'm with you, that way we can be the one who end their bowl hopes

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

glorious.

Glad my degree is still worth something, at least.

#thingsiblamethemvsfor

I never actually finished mine, so I guess that means I am on an even playing field with these guys.

It would REALLY devalue your non-degree, if it were from UNC.

lmao

Perfect!

The lesson here is that your fake classes need to be open to everyone.

The more I think about it, this decision probably sets the wheels in motion for players to be legally paid in the near future. The NCAA was build on the facade of student athletes who are there primarily to get an education. The NCAA is supposed to protect that relationship and guarantee students with a quality education, and in repayment, the athletes remain amateur students. This decision publicly and officially shatters that agreement with the NCAA essentially forfeiting the rights of their athletes to receive a quality education.

I would not be surprised if the lawsuits on behalf of players starts in earnest today. The NCAA might have just dug it's own grave by dropping the ball on UNC this badly.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I must be one of the very few that agree with the ruling. NCAA was not created to govern the quality of classes provided by the university. It would only care if the sham classes were provided to only the athletes.

With that said, I can't believe that with the microscope on them, not even a minor infraction was found?

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

7 years, 0 infractions.

You literally have to try and not find something for that to be your conclusion after a 7 year investigation with the rules the NCAA has set up. Everyone, including VT has broken more than a few over that period of time.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Its always been known that class were open to everyone and while agree that its not the NCAA's job to police the academics of member universities it is their responsibility to police how those universities athletic departments interact with academics. All of the evidence that I've seen indicates that members of the athletic department were aware of the nature of these paper classes and were funneling athletes into them. If knowing about sub-par academics within the university and then taking advantage of it isn't lack of institutional control then nothing is. The LoIC charge in now meaningless and If I'm a school currently suffering sanctions from a LoIC charge then I'm ignoring those restrictions as of 10AM today.

Another issue is the protection of the students themselves. The NCAA has blocked any attempts to create an organization that would help protect student athletes from being taken advantage of by the universities they attend, that has to end now since the NCAA has shown an complete inability to protect these athletes themselves

And now it's time to show the world
That victory is ours tonight

I guarantee every coach in the country knows which classes are the easier grades and knowingly uses that to the advantage of the players' GPA. Same goes for the majors themselves. Calling that a lack of institutional control is ridiculous.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

I would 100% agree with you if that was what was truly going on. However, it seems, based on the facts, that UNC athletic dept was behind the addition of majors and classes to not only ensure eligibility, but to essentially remove education out of the system. The intent was 100% motivated to enable players to not be students. The fact that there was open enrollment seems to be merely a technicality.

I'd be interested in knowing what percent of the classes were athletes and non-athletes. How were these majors and classes marketed to prospective athletes and non-athletes? Were non-athletes actually taking the classes for academic purposes?

🦃 🦃 🦃

Meanwhile, in Oxford, Ole Miss is saying "damn..if only we avoided hookers and paying players"

Ole Miss just didn't have enough hookers and cash. the UNCAA made it obvious you just have to spread the bullshit around to enough of the 'normal' student body and everything is fine.

I've been drinking.

This x 1000:

-@no1hokie86

In the end, the NCAA is basically saying that this should be an accreditation issue. But since SACS gave UNC the most flaccid punishment possible, ultimately nobody actually cares about this.

Wow. I mean I expected them to BASICALLY do nothing, but I didn't think they would LITERALLY do nothing.

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ALWAYS FOLLOW THE $

In the NCAA's case why go after the Piggy Bank that is college athletics.. yeah let's punish a program that rakes in massive amounts of money for us..

Obligatory:

came here to post that.

I've been drinking.

Really ironic that a slew of UNC people are rejoicing over the decision, even when their university actually ADMITTED to academic fraud.

-@no1hokie86

That's the most embarrassing part about it. No one cares about the education offered.

"...When we step on that field, they bleed like we bleed and we're gonna show the world."
-Corey Marshall

The most embarrassing part is the accreditation review only gave them 1 year suspension for the fake classes.

Wasn't even a suspension, it was probation.

Makes me dislike UNC even more than UVA. At least UVA can back up their academic smugness!

-@no1hokie86

Agreed.

"...When we step on that field, they bleed like we bleed and we're gonna show the world."
-Corey Marshall

I have to be honest here. I flirted with downvoting this just for making me think of Hayden Christensen's terrible acting.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

But he hates sand. Everyone can relate.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

Remember, the NCAA's #1 moneymaker is the men's basketball tournament.

No shock that nothing happened to UNC.

Yeah and this is where it gets interesting. You can't tell me those listed schools are not livid to know they got hammered like they did while UNC walked.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Do these schools, if they are currently under punishment, have the ability to appeal, based on this new ruling?

I hope we beat the shit out of them next Saturday in Lane Stadium.

I can't wait to hear the UNC chants next week at Lane...be clever guys!!!!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

This needs to be a thread started and we do not need that many different ones. We just need one chant that is funny, short, and gets the message across. If we did that and got success, making the people watching laugh maybe other fan bases would pick up on this and start chanting it when UNCheat came to play at their school.

Coach Fuente and Coach Foster...because you're doubly f***ed

Off the top of my head:
Stay Classy UNC
Twenty Million

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

or just chant academics

I like how "NOT PRES-TIG-IOUS" sounds in my head, but unsure how it would translate to the broadcast

Or maybe a simple "PA-PER COUR-SES"

Pretty sure "Pa-per clas-ses" pretty much covers it

Achievement unlocked: All of the Fullers

"Sam Rogers is a college football icon" SB Nation

Thanks Frank!

Now just coordinate the chant with a cloud of fake UNC degrees folded into paper airplanes, and i think you have a winner. (duck)

"Shame" from GoT works pretty well here...

Go UNC for a classless education.

Play ball!

I can't wait for UNC to head into Cameron. The Duke folks will absolutely torch them

Agreed, but we get to be first!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

I am kind of a fan of keeping it simple. UN CHEAT.

“I turned down 12 other opportunities. You know what I mean?” - Fuente

If the LOLNCAA won't punish the sleazy tarheels every team that plays them should.
When their team is announced turn your back to them. Run up the score t every opportunity.

And for the poor UNCheat grads sorry your resume is hitting the circular file.

I guess their punishment will have to be that the UNC athletic degrees are worthless.

I mean I understand the severity of UNCs was probably awful but let's not stand on our ivory tower and preach.

Y'all never took personal health at tech? The entire course could be finished in a day because the answers to the tests hadn't been changed in 10 years.

Difference between Personal Health and what happened at UNC...

The Personal Health class exists. Even if beyond easy, it exists and players have to show up and take it. For UNC they didn't even bother with that part. They basically got As for logging online and taking no further action.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I'm losing you at degree of having a bogus class. Seems like the pot calling the kettle black to me. " yours was easier than ours, you should be punished but not us because our bogus class was less easy."

Intro to theatre, I mean the list goes on.

Did you have to go to class? Did you actually have to put forth some effort?

I mean, I took Raquetball one semester as a break from my engineering degree (and because I needed an elective), and know of athletes taking dance classes. But we had to show up, actually put forth effort, and were graded based on quizzes/attendance.

-@no1hokie86

No. There is literally no effort involved. You log in your computer and look at a word document and pop the answers in.

I love Virginia Tech. It is my alma mater and has a special place in my heart but we HAVE GPA booster classes and classes that require no effort. It is what it is. You can spin it however you please but I was there and I knowingly took the course because it gave me an easy A.

What is Fine Arts 2004, Creativity and the Aesthetic Experience, Alex.

That was a pretty cool class though, and this is coming from an engineering major. Weinstein was one of the coolest professors I had at Tech.

This x 1000. That class was awesome.

In no way was I downplaying the class. But by far one of the easiest A's you could get. The difference is you actually had to show up to it in order to get the easy grade.

Engineering Economics was the easiest class I took at Tech. I needed a -30 on the exam to get a C. That said they still made me take the damn exam.

Now I'm thinking of how you get a -30 on an exam....giving the teacher the bird on the way out of the class after having left the exam blank?

That is why I wanted out of the exam. It was mathematically impossible for me not to get at least a B.

Was that the one where all the construction management majors sat on one side and gave the civil es dirty looks for not knowing what a bulldozer is, while the civil es sat on the other side and gave the construction management majors dirty looks for using calculators to add?

I've been drinking.

2 credit course that used to be a requirement for all engineering majors back in the 90's. Depreciation and how to calculate compound versus discrete interest.

So instead of learning you chose to break honor code and cheat on the online quizzes. That seems like a knock on you not on the class.

Haha really? A class that hasn't changed a single word in 20 years with college students regularly making 100s and finishing a class 2 days before the semester ends and you choose to question my character.

Do I wish that I didn't do it? Yes. Does that change he fact we knowingly offer a free A. No.

Don't confuse easy class with fake class

Two completely different things

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

We will have to agree to disagree then. It's an unpopular opinion on this board but pretending like we are 100% innocent while UNC is the only school to ever do something like this doesn't sit right with me.

I know what the classes were.

I know what the classes were.

That's exactly the point. Our classes, while insanely easy, exist. They are real classes where you have to either cheat, or put enough effort into it to at least provide a tangible deliverable graded by a staff member. UNC's classes were not that, just look at the example papers provided. They are written by 5 year olds.

There is a clear and stark difference you are missing.

Once again I'm not implying that we did what UNC did. I'm saying we have classes that we shouldn't be proud of. Sticking our noses in the air and acting like we are so much better for not having fake classes is an interesting approach to me.

Where am I losing you?

The part where you think us asking for a school with fake classes be punished is equal to us "sticking our noses in the air".

The part where you think fake classes are the same as the ones that are easy to cheat on. Which seriously, the fact that you had to put in enough effort to cheat means our classes were infinitely harder than non-existent classes.

Pretty much your entire argument I guess.

I see. If the degree to which we make it easy to get A's is what we are basing it off then yes you are correct.

I think that UNC absolutely should have been punished I hope I don't come off as thinking that.

I am a hokie through and through and i apologize if I ruffled any feathers but i felt strongly it was a bit hypocritical to question academic standards given what I experienced. Albeit it was much much milder than what is being reported at UNC.

Go Hokies.

Go Hokies.

And we're back on the same page.

So you just wanted to point out VT has easy classes? Of course VT has easy classes but the difference is the intent. I took some easy courses at VT to get some grade boosters but I still ended up learning something from those classes which is the entire point. VTs intent is still to teach not make up easy classes with no substance or real curriculum just to keep athletes eligible.

Exactly. Personally, I didn't learn shit in my GPA boosters other than how short Tom Cruise is, but that's on me. VT didn't actively avoid teaching me something in those classes.

short Tom Cruise is

Guest speaker in fine arts? lol. I mean I skipped all of those classes, except the ones where I had to go. But i skipped engineering classes just as regularly.

I'm done. Fuck UNC cheating bastards.

You are creating your own definition of easy or fake class and then say there is a clear and stark difference?

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

lolwut

What is too easy? So a 5th grade paper earned an A. The VT class apparently had one graded assignment. What makes one class easy enough to be considered real and another one so easy that it's fake?

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

You're joking right? I mean its pretty clear.

People fail fine arts at tech, rare but it happens. UNC classes were proven to be fake, no one failed and sometimes teachers wouldn't even grade things.

I'm saying you are drawing your own arbitrary line that defines what makes a class too easy.

Don't get me wrong, I hate defending the UNC scumbags, but at the end of the day it's up to the school as to whether or not they can live with their shitty academics.

Unrelated, but the easiest class I had at VT was creativity and aesthetic experience. It was graded pass/fail and satisfied a crucial elective requirement. It was a legit class because it required you to experience things like plays and art museums to get that pass grade. I have no experience with any other class that I would consider "easy".

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

Just a few quotes from CNN, emphasis mine

Wainstein did find that five counselors actively used paper classes, calling them "GPA boosters," and that at least two counselors, one in football, suggested to Crowder the grade an athlete needed to receive to be able to continue to play

Former head football coach John Bunting admitted that he knew of the paper classes and said that former Director of Football Cynthia Reynolds told him they were part of her strategy to keep players eligible

former football player Michael McAdoo told CNN he was forced into majoring in African American studies, the department at the heart of the paper-classes scandal.

I am completely with you. I mean should the NCAA be forced to review every intro to English class in America to conclude that every athlete is facing the same difficulty in achieving a passing grade? UNC should be ashamed but this is not an NCAA problem to solve.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

The entire course could be finished in a day because the answers to the tests hadn't been changed in 10 years.

Yup, class is generally pretty easy if you're cheating on the tests.....I'm missing the comparison to UNC though...

NCheatAA

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I was going to post this in jest, but this is, honest to God, what the NCAA is doing.

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They didn't lose one fake scholarship over this? Amazing.

They should have at least charged them the cost of the investigation. I guess over the years, UNC has made the NCAA lots of money.

Instant Replay of the UNC NCAA Announcement:

The NCAA must've deemed this years football team as their punishment.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

Easiest way to explain: UNC got away with it because the classes were open to the WHOLE STUDENT BODY... therefore it wasn't an athletic issue but a UNC Academic issue. UNC Academic board said they saw nothing wrong with it (great lawyer skills finding this loophole) so NCAA has to follow that ruling.

Ask away and I will try to answer as much as possible

What keeps me from handing out cash to students and players at this point?

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Bank Account?

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@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Get T Marshall Hahn on the phone now

He is really hard to get in touch with for the past year.

Honestly with this ruling nothing..

NCAA just opened up a huge can of worms and I expect MANY schools to start these "paper classes" open to all students. The kicker being athlete's can sign up for classes before regular students. So say a class of 30 allow 20 athletes and 10 non athletes and you're set.

I will say UNC did spend around 20 mil for lawyers and not sure that would be easy for a lot of schools to do. UNC basically said yeah Academic Standards are out the window as long as we can win championships and still bring in $.

I mean it does appear to be factually and historically correct. I assume the writer was paraphrasing the actual conversation, but I think we can all agree that paper is...at a minimum...A- work.

Probably should cite maybe a source or two next time, but whatevs....

/s.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck, don't ever come on my show and talk about your football." - Colin Cowherd

Also would it have killed him to use spell check?

Hugh Freeze: "Those hookers were for the whole student body, not just the recruits."

NCAA: "Oh, ok. As you were."

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

Put them in class with the athletes and kill two birds with one stone

VT BSEE '98, VT MSME '01

So by logic, with this ruling essentially Khadim Sy could suddenly re-enroll at VT, take a bunch of fake classes offered to all students and be on the basketball team come BBall season?

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

But they aren't fake classes. They are real classes with fake grading.

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

yeah.. if VT is willing to absolutely crush its Academic Standards. The saddest part of all this is UNC's academic board covered for the athletics department and took the bullet knowing they'd probably see a kick back sometime soon.

Wouldn't be shocked to see a football donor or two donate a massive amount of $$ to build a new academic learning center or something to that nature.

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@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

So unrelated note on that, how is UCF going to get the money to replace decaying bleachers?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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UCF Sues

legal case right now.

Yup, now you can just tell all the recruits that there are 80 wads of $1000 each just outside the locker room available right after the end of practice every month on a first come, first serve basis. Everyone can get it, but regular students aren't allowed in the building until practice is over.

The money is available for everyone!

"I mean, you know, fuck them, but good for them." -Too Druck to Funk

Maybe Joey Greco from the TV show Cheaters can lead the next Let's Go Hokies cheer.

This could go one of two ways from here on out...

1) More schools decide to push the limits of what constitutes academic compliance, as has been alluded to in this thread.
2) NCAA actually takes it upon itself to audit/vet/evaluate each and every course taken by each and every one of its athletes.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Get the accreditation boards on the phone!

That's where I was headed as well - if the NCAA is going to pass and blame the academic enforcement of UNC as the issue then the logical step would be to evaluate the university as a whole and call their accredited status in to severe question.

They already ruled. One year probation that has already passed.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

In my mind, that is the saddest part of the whole thing. They should have been hammered...

Yeah SACS (the accreditation org) was like a deer in the headlights; they only had probation or loss of accreditation. There was no way they were going to pull UNC's accreditation - UNC would have gone under. No grants, no fed $$, no nothing.

I will be honest, a 20 year history of fake classes! Julius Peppers took those classes. I would have stripped their accreditation.

so the real winners here were the lawyers who got paid $20million to successfully convince the NCAA that the accreditation board would met out punishment and the the accreditation board that the NCAA would met out punishment. And people wonder why lawyers are hated...

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WHAT IS TARGETING?

It's a good thing this only took 5 years to figure out. The outcome could have been much different /S

Let's Go

HOKIES

This is ridiculous.

The NCAA has ceded all authority on any and all academic issues moving forward.

@Fightin_Gobbler

Go Hokies

Go Falcons

*as long as classes are available for all student population to enroll in

The NCAA is an absolute joke and should be disbanded immediately. The major college athletics programs around the country should just create their own rules and league and become semi-professional. Let's just quit pretending and cut the bullshit facade of "student-athlete" right out of this.

Student-athlete

- NCAA

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Isn't one of the top NCAA officials a UNC grad? What's his name?

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

In light of this ruling, I say we should jump on and take this to its fullest. We should start a degree program where you can get your Bachelor's in Opulence. Classes include "Intro to Luxury Vehicles" where students are given various vehicles to drive and study, "Making it Rain 101" which is a lab course in which students are given 100k in cash and learn how to spend it in different ways, Fine Dining Theory, and the senior capstone project "Housing Innovation" in which students give a 1 page double spaced report on the challenges they faced living in a mansion. We'll open it up to the general student body by admitting like 3 random students and the rest will be 5 star athletes. It's education!

Now thats some edgy and innovative thinking!

Invent the Future!

I have a potentially weird question based off this, since the NCAA doesn't seem to care about the whole "student" part in student-athlete. If these students are in this scenario I am for classes that actually teach money management and "classes" practical for athletes going pro. Granted this probably only applies to football and basketball athletes, is this crazy? I also feel like the ruling basically opens the door for them being paid to a degree (hah self aware irony), thoughts?

I'm a simple man. I like pretty, dark-haired women and breakfast food.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

I don't know if this is really a response to your question but:
Alex White's Personal Financial Planning class was the single most beneficial class I took at VT, and even though he's not teaching it anymore, I think it should be a required class on every curriculum.

That is kind of what i'm going for I suppose. If academics seem to matter very little to the NCAA, my thinking is that there should be a few classes for athletes to attend and that is one of them.

I'm a simple man. I like pretty, dark-haired women and breakfast food.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

most schools have classes like : Financial Management , College 101/First Year Experience that is mandatory for all incoming athletes. However most highly recruited athletes really understand they're at xyz school/university for sports and only sports. Recent example could be Ben Simmons, attended class at LSU but failed out after fall semester to focus on NBA combine since he knew he wasn't coming back.

Absolutely I guess the difficult part comes to should athletes even be required to go to class or should they just focus on their sport? Should there only be an exception for the top x% of athletes who will actually go pro? Or just leave the clearly broke system alone?

I'm a simple man. I like pretty, dark-haired women and breakfast food.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

technically speaking when they sign the scholarship agreement they're agreeing that they will keep/maintain the GPA needed to keep that scholarship. In Simmons case he did keep the needed GPA of a 2.0 for fall season then dropped out.

I think you could start to see scholarship agreements being worded differently where if you drop out/fail out after your sport semester you could be on the hook for that $.

Yea VT has a "College 101/First Year Experience" type class as well (or at least it did a decade ago when I was a freshman). Honestly it was more about how not to plagiarize, how to exhibit basic responsibility, etc. It was a 1 credit class and even then we didn't meet at least half of the time.

Sometimes I like to leave off the /s just to mess with people.

He's not teaching it anymore? that sucks. Students are missing out. I took it as a filler class in my final semester because I needed to maintain 12 credit hours for aid reasons and like you said, it turned out to be one of the best classes I ever took. I recommended it to all my friends that were still underclassmen. I still have my notes and lecture slides from his class saved up and occasionally look them over just to make sure I'm on the right track

I assume "Making it Rain 101" is a prerequisite for MiR 102, 201, 202, 301, 302, 401, 402, and, for some special cases, 501 and 502?

And that there are different lab sections for the upper level MiR classes where "$100k" is adjusted up or down based on the participants latest performance on the fie...I mean in the classroom?

UNCAA: "Seems legit."

I've been drinking.

I hope we crush UNC by 50 next week. If we go up big I'm going to start a "Cheaters Never Win" chant.

Except UNC did win. They won at least 2 Natty titles during this era of academic fraud and they got away with a pat on the back.

The message sent today by the NCAA is that cheating only matters if you're expendable. UNC wasn't expendable, so they are untouchable. How the remaining member schools react over the next few years will be telling, because there have been some high profile schools hit with serious penalties for far, far less. At the very least I would think the NCAA is about to see it's power significantly reduced after this is not blown up entirely.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

From this point on, does the NCAA even have the right to block a under-performing athlete from enrolling in any school that will take him? I mean, if a college is ok with accepting a student who couldn't even get a high school diploma but just happens to be a 5 star recruit, who is the NCAA to question their academic policies?

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Aren't the minimum requirements of the NCAA clearinghouse already much lower than most specific school requirements?

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

yes they are ridiculously low (2.00 GPA, 860 on SATs, 16 classes over 4 years), but there are standards.

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but there are "standards."

FTFY

I've been drinking.

Just... no words. Not only does this have to do with the scandal, they also threw a fit when Beamer shunned them back in 2000. That university and everybody associated with it takes hypricosy to infinite levels.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

I've blocked my fair share of ignorant Tarholes today on Twitter from that post and others.

Still bugs me that they actively used (not sure if they still do) 4/16 against us in recruiting.

-@no1hokie86

After reading this, I have absolutely zero respect for UNC period. Screw them and their hypocrisy. As the great William Wallace once said... "Burn it."

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I came here to post a complaint about Carolina and all I got was this UNC diploma.

I think we can wrap it up here, folks.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

What's scary is the next school that doesn't have 18 million to fight is going to get hammered.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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What's scary is the next school that doesn't have 18 million to fight create a lot of revenue for the NCAA is going to get hammered.

FTFY

Also that's not scary. That's actually what should happen.

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What's scary is the next school that doesn't have 18 million to fight isn't a popular men's basketball program is going to get hammered.

What's scary is the next school that doesn't have 18 million to fight is it's Friday the 13th, the NCAA is a joke, and I'm going to get hammered.

FTFY

You, I like you.

I've been drinking.

How long until the class action lawsuit by UNC grads for the systemic devaluation of their degrees by the institution that granted them?

you would probably need some actual injury (e.g., not getting a job) to make that claim.

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True.

The problem is UNC folks are so dumb they don't see their degrees actually having been devalued.

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Also true, lol.

I wonder how much money the NCAA required (beyond the 18mm) to get UNC out of this.

So in going back to college every professor has had pretty strong words about attendance. They are getting these requirements from the colleges who is getting them from the Feds which is telling them that in order to meet certain federal guidelines for federal money attendance needs to meet certain standards. How did UNC not run into this issue?

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I had a transportation engineering class that counted attendance as 10 percent extra credit. I went to about 3 classes all semester and got an A anyway. Attendance is overrated.

Sidenote: this was not typical behavior by me. The class was highly technical and the professor taught directly from the book, so class offered no benefit. The class material was great though. That same book was an excellent resource for the PE exam.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

Supposedly it's recent Federal guidelines enacted to help the loan givers.

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First week of ever semester was figuring out which classes needed attending and which were skipable and then proceeding to only show up for tests...still graduated magma cum laude thank you very much.

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To make you feel old, you graduated 10 years ago. So I'm trying to get JUGS to tell me how new rules work with her players.

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I am not sure the rules, but VT policy under Beamer was for football players to not skip a single class and generally sit towards the front. Beamer had people checking that this was being followed every day.

"Facyson is a baller."
-CFB

Ehhhhhhhh, IDK about that "in the front" thing. I took a class that had quite a few redshirters in it and they all sat in a bunch at the back.

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Thanks Frank!

This may have been primarily for players struggling in class. Bruce, who know works for the basketball team in the Equipment room, would drive around campus and peek his head in classes.

"Facyson is a baller."
-CFB

Yeah, if it was the rule it wasn't enforced. Definitely sat in the back of German class with a certain OL.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Just...Lol.

This is pretty much what I expected I guess. It does kind of highlight the lack of any fucks to give the NCAA has about academics.

Overheard (by pops) in the registration line at VT circa 1968:
Football player 1: "what classes do you have?
FbP2: "blah blah blah, english with professor so and so"
FbP1: "oooh, you gotta get that changed, coach says he can't help you with grades with that professor"

I've been drinking.

I mean...didn't we talk about this already? If Miami had taken non-athletes on the boat adventure then they wouldn't have had any problems either.

So I think the thing I am most upset about is, we cant have an NCAA Football Video Game, but fake diplomas sure that's ok.

So, in sum, NCAA keeps all the money made on the likeness of athletes, in turn gives them an education of "equivalent" value, but sets no standard for education. Hmm....

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Maybe EA can now argue that they are also using the likeness of non-athlete students in the stands!

Can we challenge the ruling and get video review to overturn it?

We put the K in Kwality

There is a tweet out there (@OX_VT) comparing Syracuse and UNC situations. I hate myself because I feel bad...for SYRACUSE!!!

Side note: Seems odd that Miami seems like a clean program suddenly.

We put the K in Kwality

Seems odd that Miami seems like a clean program suddenly

It's called the "Richt Effect." The side effect though is never quite being able to win the big games or your conference despite being in a talent rich area and recruiting at a very high level.

Sometimes I like to leave off the /s just to mess with people.

Just to hammer home how completely fucked the NCAA is... They just ruled NCSU freshman Braxton Beverly ineligible for this season because he attended a couple classes before Thad Motta was fired and he was granted a transfer from Ohio State.

But fake classes? No problem.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

They should play him anyway and force the issue. I would require my coach to do that if I was university President

FUCK UNC

Anybody who kept an eye on local media, knew it was coming. UNCheat had/has an airtight case, and the lack of punishment goes to the accredation service. Honestly, the sad part is how limited the effect of this demonstrable lack of quality education will be on their alums. I'm with the guys talking about stacks of money made available to "all students" after practice, right outside the locker-room. Make non-athletes walk from outside the building, and arrest anyone running, that should see a "fair and equal" distribution of said funds.

http://www.salisburypost.com/2017/05/27/unc-responds-3rd-set-ncaa-charge...

“I remember Lee Corso's car didn't get out of the parking lot.” -cFB

While NCAA rulings always fail to exhibit consistency, they usually don't make my guts churn quite the way this one does. I'm just sickened how this appears to green light a complete lack of academic integrity within the NCAA's purview. It's utterly sad that UNC fans and alums are proud that their school blatantly sacrificed the school's academic reputation in favor of athletics. They'd rather admit that fake classes are par for the course at UNC than acknowledge special treatments for athletes. Ugh...

Sorry, couldn't resist

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