2017/18 Coaching Carousel

Running list of coaches on the Hot Seat and ones that get fired. Replacements once permanent listed also.
FIRED
Florida: Jim Mcelwain HIRED Dan Mullen
Georgia Southern: Tyson Summers Promoted Chad Lunsford
Ole Miss: Hugh Freeze Promoted Matt Luke
Oregon State: Gary Andersen
UTEP: Sean Kugler
UCLA: Jim Mora HIRED Chip Kelley
South Alabama: Joey Jones
Tennessee: Butch Jones
Montana: Bob Stitt
Nebraska: Mike Riley
Arkansas: Bret Bielema
Arizona State: Todd Graham
Texas A&M: Kevin Sumlin
Miss St: Dan Mullen left for UF
Rice: David Baliff
HOT SEAT
David Beaty, Kansas
Paul Haynes, Kent State
Brad Lambert, Charlotte
Scottie Montgomery, East Carolina
Barry Odom, Missouri
Matt Wells, Utah State
Mark Whipple, UMass

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Florida dumb as hell.

The firings will continue until the morale improves.

They actually asked him to voluntarily leave and reduce his $12.75m buyout. Why would he agree to this?

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That death threat claim has some broad implications. He also apparently had his agent doing some interesting things.

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My understanding, from /r/CFB, is that he has a pretty bad relationship with some of big time boosters. Maybe he wants out too.

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I expect he wants out, but with the money they owe him.

Saying that the players and coaches have received death threats is very serious. It is something that could materially impact recruiting, hurt the brand, etc.

I'm sure he was told that if he didn't accept a reduction, UF would fire him "for cause" and he would have to go through a long and potentially embarrassing legal process to get *any* of the buy out.

And would be at risk to have to pay the remaining $1.5 mil or so to CSU, from his own pocket.

Legally it was the Players that was serious. The coaches can apparently receive threats all day long.

The key part, for those that don't want to clicky-clicky:

After McElwain mentioned his death threats to the media, the university asked McElwain for more details, but he didn't provide any additional information. So, UF believes, either: (1) McElwain made the university potentially liable by not disclosing death threats made to himself, his family, other coaches or players or (2) he lied about the death threats.

In either case, Florida believes, it's a violation of the standards clause in McElwain's contract. McElwain's ability to dispute Florida over the buyout is hindered because of his agent Jimmy Sexton's ties with potential candidates. Sexton doesn't want to battle Florida over collecting the entire $12.9 million buyout because he also represents Mississippi State's Dan Mullen, a top candidate to replace McElwain, or could be involved in other future Florida hirings.

What? I don't know a lot about this subject, but doesn't the agent work for the coach? Basically, this asshat is telling his employer, "I'm going to go ahead and not do my job because it might make things awkward for me later." Once again, I'm not educated in this kind of thing, but why the hell would you retain (read: pay) an agent if he's not even going to look out for your best interests? No wonder Buzz doesn't mess around with them.

That's not even to mention that Florida is really stretching the violation of standards stuff.

Not really, when he mentioned death threats that neither the university nor law enforcement knew about he crossed a line.

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McElwain should sue the crap out of them.

All he has to do is say he felt threatened, but didn't actually receive death threats.

It's clear Florida is just trying to weasel out of the money they owe him.

I think it's a pretty good kind of lesson for the way things are. There's a lot of hate in this world and a lot of anger. And yet, it's freedom to show it. The hard part is, obviously, when the threat's against your own players, death threats to your families, you know, the ill will that's brought upon out there. And yet, you know, I think it's really one of those deals that really is a pretty good testament to what's going on out there nationally. A lot of angry people. In this business, we're the ones that you take the shots at. And that's the way it is.

His own words, he wasn't vague about it, he claimed death threats had been made.

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It also isn't vague that his firing isn't over this.

He needed a good lawyer and a backbone. It looks like he had neither. Did he make it up? Did he get real threats and not report them? Who knows? But it's clear it was an excuse for Florida to cut his buy out.

Because he would lose, UAA, his actual employer, has the means to run any legal case out and win in the long run.

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Destroying their own brand in the process.

I don't think Florida is holding ALL the cards here. Both sides have something to lose. If it were Mike Leach, I have a feeling he'd be leaving with a lot more than $4 million of the 12.9 owed.

It just seems a bit "weasely" to me, and if they're willing to treat him like this, won't they also be willing to treat their next coach the same way?

They may, but there are a lot of people willing to be treated pretty poorly if they're getting paid $4M+ per year while employed. Hell, I know a lot of people who put up being treated poorly by their employers while only making 5 figures per year.

Hell, I know a lot of people who put up being treated poorly by their employers while only making 5 figures per year.

Fucking truth...😡

They're making assumptions that the agent isn't going to do his job, which is represent McElwain. That's actually insulting to the agent and the coach. If I were Mullen and my agent did that to another coach he wouldn't be my agent for long.

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They don't want to get "out fired" by Florida.

I'm really hoping that UF swoops in and hires Gruden. It would be hilarious to watch Tennessee fans' reaction

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Maybe Florida and Tennessee should just switch coaches.

All the above BS....welcome to the SEC!

Where is Lawson?!

Butch jones just lost to Kentucky. How the hell is he not fired right now?

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Give it a few hours.

My guess is Florida forced Tenn's hand, don't want them getting a leg up in the coaching search

This is my favorite time of year. Watching which coaches crash and burn.

Heard some people on ESPN say that Florida insiders have Fuente at the top of their list of candidates. Should we be worried? I figured he would only leave for an Oklahoma or Texas Job but that's just me.

Worry not, Whit has Fuente locked in.

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Also, why would Fuente give up what he has for that nonsense? Ridiculous expectations and jerks as boosters.

UF isn't going to the dollar store for coaches this go round. They will offer over 6 million/year, at minimum.
It is going to take major cash to keep Fuente. He is worth much more than he currently makes (less than Bronco).

Ehhh, not right now. There are a ton of factors being left out in this analysis.

1.) SEC East is the worst division in college football to take a job. Add in delusional boosters, SEC recruiting, and athletic department leadership: all negatives in Fuente's view.
2,) McElwain was 22-12 at Florida, winning back-to-back SEC East championships, the first SEC coach to reach the SEC title game in his first two seasons. And he just got canned mid-season by an athletic department that is trying to get out of paying his buy-out.
3.) Fuente has REALLY enjoyed having an elite DC in Bud Foster as a guarantee. Makes his job a hundred times easier.
4.) Articles have been written about how high Fuente's buyout is in comparison to the most recent buy-outs. If Florida wants to wait until after December 15 then it goes down to $5mil but I'm guessing they hire before then.
5.) After season 1, Fuente got a contract extension that didn't give him much of a raise at all, yet he didn't try to negotiate down his buyout. This doesn't signal a coach that is looking to leave this soon.
6.)Repeat reason #1. Fuente chose Virginia Tech over South Carolina in the first place. USC has deeper pockets, but he clearly didn't value the extra money to coach in that division.

Florida does have a better shot at Fuente than Tenn and Nebraska for sure, but I wouldn't be worried at all right now.

Fuente is a pretty no nonsense guy, and the SEC is a ton of nonsense. You aren't afforded the time needed to build a program in that conference. If you can't beat Nick Saban tomorrow, boosters will get sick of you in a heartbeat. The elite coaching talent that once made the SEC so superior has now shifted elsewhere, and to a large degree into the ACC. No one with an ounce of sense who isn't just looking for a big payday should take a job there until Saban retires.

These are fair points, but IMO the buyout will be a virtual non-factor for any school that is in the kind of tier where Fuente would be willing to listen. McElwain had a much higher buyout at CSU when UF hired him ($7.5M). As with most buyouts, it got negotiated down, so UF ended up paying less than the amount in his contract.

Dan Mullen and Scott Frost are number 1 and 2. Schlabach said he was told the firing was quick so that Florida had an early shot at Frost specifically. Mullen has a history with Florida's AD.

The lazy answer for every "list of candidates" is going to include prime young coaches like Fuente. Expect his name to come up for every P5 job from now until he hangs it up at VT (please don't leave us, please don't leave us...).

Somebody please hire Tubbervile and Brown. Just get them out of the booth.

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Et tu sharkbait?

OOH-HA-HA!

Just like I celebrated when Bob Davie came to UNM to coach. I can ignore the local newspapers but he always seemed to cover VT games.

What did Bob Stoops say when he retired? Health related?

I'm not hearing his name much, I would think UF specifically would kidnap him back to Gainesville.

Stoops said he wanted to enjoy the rest of his life. He's older than his dad was when he died of a heart attack coaching a football game.

Huh. Hopefully he meant that, that is surprising perspective from a coach.

He made a statement a few weeks back saying he was retired and had no interest of coming back. Think the whistle is hung up for good on Big Game Bob's mantle.

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Kind of reminds you of the Urban Meyer situation.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Speaking of Urban Meyer could Florida go after Urban?

I kind of wondered that.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Is there a reason he would leave OSU for Florida? I feel like it would have to be for a ton of money. He got his masters at OSU, Coaches a perennial National Title contender, and with the state of UF why leave? I feel like it is a huge downgrade unless I'm missing something that the rumor mill is turning out.

...That's what Maryland does.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

He did a great job at Florida for awhile with what the ball coach left him and then Tebow. At first sign of adversity he bailed and blamed it on his health only to resurface at OSU. in the current situation some may want him back, many wouldn't take his arrogant ass back if he coached for free.

I forgot about his ugly departure, I feel like that is the most interesting part of this discussion. He is a top 3 coach and Florida has certainly fallen on hard times. Hypothetically would they swallow their anger/pride if Urban had even the slightest interest in returning? Ultimately I set the chance at slim and none with Vegas making none a heavy favorite.

...That's what Maryland does.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

Okay, let's not act like Urban is a slouch of coach who just won with someone else's team (like Tennessee target John Gruden). His ethics might be questionable, but Meyer can, and has always been able to coach. His head coaching record is 172-30 (per wikipedia). But yes, he definitely lost control of his program at Florida. Great Read Here.

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McElwain won 19 games and 2 consecutive division titles in his first 2 years in the SEC. this year he was 3-4 and his bosses and the fans couldn't wait to get rid of him.

Why exactly would any coach that isn't looking to make a move up TO a P5 team, deal with that level of entitlement and uncertainty

that level of entitlement and uncertainty

I have been surrounded by UF fans in my family forever. I wholeheartedly agree w this statement. They are all that in spades.
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Fuente is here to stay hokie family.
He has a great supporting staff. He is a blessing. Bud and Shibest is a gift.

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Just a friendly reminder that these coaches are people who are passionate about what they do and care about the kids they coach, even if they're making $$$ while doing it. Nobody is more disappointed than them when their coaching tenure doesn't work out.

I don't say this to try and prevent jokes. Just make sure they're in decent taste. You wouldn't want people taking cheap shots at you if you were ever in these coaches' shoes.

If Charlie Strong wins out, there's a good chance he is back in the P5.

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Tyson Summers being let go was about 18 games too late.

Butch Jones Fired

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Let us all burn an offering to the god of college football and memes that they hire Lane Kiffen.

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I think it would be way funnier if Florida hired Kiffin, then continued to beat Tennessee.

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I hate to do this because it's probably false, but a UT fan told me that their plane picked Fuente up this morning and arrived in Knoxville at 10AM. This information supposedly came from someone at the Knoxville airport.

Then they really lost me when they said everyone assumes he's going to be the D coordinator. What?

Cancelling our your downvote, but your boy is a complete idiot if he thinks UT is hiring Fuente to be their defensive coordinator.

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Right. That's when the statement lost any credibility it had. I posted that with it to show to take it with a grain a salt. Could still be some truth to the rest of it, but let's hope not.

Don't you put that evil on us.

Are you sure it was Fuente and not Fuentoes?

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I would take Auburn's coach off the hot seat list

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Yeah, Malzahn's seat has definitely cooled off in the last 24 hours. Time to replace the hot seat rumors with flight tracker ones. I'm sure his name will now start to surface in the UF and UT coaching searches as well as a few others.

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Lol, speaking of Flght Aware, just happened to look because #yolo, and there is a plane that recently departed Roanoke that has flown to College Station, Oxford, Fayetteville, Gainesville, Auburn, and Columbia, SC in the past few days. Someone either really likes to tour SEC college towns or is trying to pull off a very expensive troll job. Let the Flight Aware rumors commence!

Arkansas is the current one.

Malzahns ass just got frostbit

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Hot take! Fuente threw the last two games intentionally because he was tired of getting phone calls from Florida

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Its funny you mention that when you consider what happened at Memphis once the VT rumors started happening.

8-0 to start the season. Then Beamer retired, and the rumors start

Finished 1-4 with the players and staff who remained saying it was pretty clear there were distractions impacting the play on the field, with the offense generally falling completely apart after having a pretty solid, if not great, start to the year. Very much like what is happening this year.

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Joke if you want, but the current Memphis coaching staff was openly talking about that leading up to this year's Tulsa game after they became ranked again. The broadcasters with ESPN went on and on about it during the game.

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Wait-Mendenhall makes more than Fuente!?!?!? How the fuck is that even possible???

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No, no. I know about all the other shit, but how much more is he getting paid than Fuente?? My impression was that after a decade plus of obliterating them on the gridiron, I thought our football budget exceeded theirs.

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Because LOLUVA both makes more money from their sports overall and have more donors in their scholarship club.

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So, numbers wise, approximately HOW much larger is UVA's football budget than ours AND how much more does Bronco get paid than Fuente??

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Which place had YOU rather coach? UVa should have to pay more in order to get someone. But they signed Mendenhall AFTER VT signed Fuente.

I'd still expect this to get corrected at some point.

Bronco makes 150,000 more base salary and has a staff budget of 3 million Fuente has staff budget of just over at 3.3 million but it's slightly skewed by Bud Fosters pay with its longevity bonuses. I think Tech spends more on " football" than LOLUVA does. But that's because we have fewer sports overall and not as many top end Olympic sports. But if we want to compete with Louisville, Clemson and FSU in the ACC not even talking about outside the Conference we are several million behind in coaches pay and expenses.

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Ok. Let's just get to the next step (use Louisville).

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Louisville spends second most in conference behind FSU. We sit behind FSU, Louisville, Clemson, LOLUVA, and UNC in total athletic expenditures.

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All jokes aside, Louisville's basketball program brings in a mountain of money.

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True. I mean here's home video of Pitino just last year...

This is going to an interesting November, December for hiring someone fast, with early signing period in December what kid is going to sign to a team with no head coach?

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Man so glad we signed fuente when we did. Perfect timing for HC's that year. It was really Fuente Herman and Morris as the big names. Morris is still out there but don't know if he's proven himself at SMU yet. Of course Frost is a hot name as is WF's coach. I don't think any P5 program is poaching a coach from another P5 program of the same stature. It's all gonna be lower tier P5 and group of 5 moves. Probably some coordinators in there as well if all the teams that are looking like changing actually do. .

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I read Bronco could be a candidate for the Oregon State job, it is his alma mater

Saw that as well, but that would take some major soul searching and talks with the family. Just left from that part of the country less than 2 years ago to come to a program in the shitter. Has that team on the toilet seat finally, only to pick back up and head further west for a team very deep in the shitter? Eh. I'd laugh if it happened, but I'd question Bronco's sanity as well.

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Yeah, it really makes no sense to do that unless it really is his dream job.

Oregon State is currently making toast in their locker room, the lure is strong!

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'that part of the country' ? Talk about an east coast perspective...They might both be west of the Mississippi but those schools couldn't be much more different in terms of climate and culture.

No mention of culture or climate...just a few thousand miles he'd ask his family and assistants to move once more.

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I think most of us knew where you were coming from but the clarification is helpful.

Fair nuff

UVa has had terrible recruiting the last couple years and this class isn't going to help at all. They're benefitting this year from contributions by their upperclassmen who won't necessarily be there next year.

If I'm Bronco and my alma mater came calling knowing this year could be the high bar for a while, I'd probably take it and cash out while I can.

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New AD at uva as well. If he's back in 2-3 win territory next year (and that's where their talent level is) then he could be out in the street in 12 months.

Unless he loves it at uva, he should have a foot out the door.

New AD at uva as well. If he's back in 2-3 win territory next year

Looking at loluva next year its pretty weak. Throw in a game against Liberty November and its down right lame. They play L'ville and NCST from the other side. Can't see only 2-3 wins.

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Indiana spanked them in Charlottesville this year and Ohio is the 3rd best team in the MAC. They could be looking at 2-10 again next season.

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With Bronco searching hard for a QB.

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It's adorable that you're giving them both the Liberty and Richmond games.

I've been drinking.

Liberty in November? You think they're going to start scheduling cupcakes before our annual rivalry matchup? SEC/FSU/Clemson style?

Because Liberty and every other football team and conference actually give a shit about their fans they already have their schedule out for next year. They play November 10th. We however in the ACC have to wait a long time.

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Pretty sure he is talking about when they scheduled Liberty, nothing to do with when the schedule comes out. Not to mention most nonconference matchup dates are set well in advance of the season, so they're known before the entire conference schedule comes out.

On a note related to that, I like when the schedule comes out. Gives us something to talk about early in the offseason.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

That part of the schedule is dictated by Liberty's situation as an independent.

Yeah the Flamers were probably looking for an easy game against a low level "FBS" team to help transition

Liberty plays VT as much over the next decade and a half as they play UVA.

One stretch game, where you don't expect to win but get national attention if you come close, and one going head to head with who you recruit against. So who will be our rival when UVA becomes rivals with the flames?

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I don't think Bronco realizes that this could be the high point.

The Jimbo to Ta&m rumor is interesting. I can't imagine why he'd leave FSU, but doing so would have an insane domino affect across the coaching landscape.

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Did Florida get Chip Kelly?

I heard they did from SEC source last Tuesday, hasn't been announced yet.

South Alabama's first and only football coach Joey Jones has resigned.

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That is a surprising one, and I don't fully buy that it's football related. That Mississippi State win last year should have been his ticket to stay there as long as he wanted. And he had a winning record and two bowl trips at a program that just started playing in 09.

Bob Stitt fired at Montana.

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Stitt happens

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Pitt happens, but a bear does Stitt in the woods.

Sumlin is out at A&M

I bet Sumlin is almost glad to be out after the hate mail and public ridicule he received from board members. Whoever gets that job better win big and win fast.

Like Charlie Strong last year, Sumlin should be picked up by a smaller school who loses a coach and do well. He can coach.

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That would be news to Sumlin as he hasn't been told anything yet.

I think the media told him haha

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

That must make for a really awkward team Thanksgiving dinner. I am guessing there is some financial reason to keep him around for 3 more days?

Most likely they just didn't want to disrupt the team's preparation before a game, this news was never supposed to get out. But given how boosters/board members have acted this year, it's not surprising at all that it did.

I hope the maniacs never run the asylum at Tech like they do at UF, LSU, or A&M.

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You left out the crazies in Knoxville

I don't see how A&M thinks they'll get Jimbo Fisher.

He's from WV, went to Samford and has zero connections to A&M (unless I'm missing something). He makes $5M+ a year, lives in one of the best recruiting states in the country and has an easier path to a national title (which he's already accomplished).

Is A&M *that* much better of a program that he would jump? I don't know what they can offer him that's significantly better than what he currently has.

A&M pulls in $190M in revenue per year, which is crazy but FSU is no slouch at $120M.

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He worked with somebody in their athletic department when they were at lsu. That's only connection I've seen.

Apparently you didn't get the memo about the SEC being Jesus' gift to football.

It just means more, after all.

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$8m > $5m

Check my math, tho.

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Sure they do but once you're raking in the millions....what does another 3 mil a year do for you?? Does it change your life that drastically? I highly doubt it.

I agree with above in that he's got a way easier time at FSU, recruiting, path to national championship, etc.

Why move to a school that has to compete with Nick Saban every year just to win your division and an irrational fan base that think because they are in the SEC for all of like 6 years now they should be on par with Alabama. And after seeing what the board and all that is like is seems like a no brainer to stay for me.

He's set at FSU unless he really tanks it a la Bobby Bowden.

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Sure they do but once you're raking in the millions....what does another 3 mil a year do for you?? Does it change your life that drastically? I highly doubt it.

Not a millionaire, so can't say for sure, but we routinely see professional athletes make moves for more money, despite their already enormous paychecks. I don't think coaches are different.

Why move to a school that has to compete with Nick Saban every year just to win your division and an irrational fan base that think because they are in the SEC for all of like 6 years now they should be on par with Alabama.

Maybe he thinks Dabo is building something similar to Saban (not as ridiculous as it sounds, Clemson is on the verge of qualifying for the playoff for the 3rd straight year), and Saban will be retiring soon, Dabo won't. Maybe he doesn't like his current athletic director? Maybe he's bored of Tallahassee.

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Athletes are also highly prone to becoming broke once that pay check stops coming in, as a matter of fact I think it's somewhere in the 90% range of them that become broke after sports. I don't really think a man in his 50s / 60s is that dumb with money. Coaches seem to be a little different than most 20-30 yr old athletes making millions.

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look at what FSU fans are griping about with Jimbo, they want a cordinator fired not Jimbo. They aren't out for his head for this year. Everyone has seen what a bad season gets you at a&m

Bret Bielema out at Arkansas.

He was never a worthy successor to Spurrier as best smack talker in the conference anyway.

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I'd like to think that we had a little something to do with this decision......😂

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fuck bert, he was a douchenozzle

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BUT DID YOU KNOW HE'S ON THE RULES COMMITTEE?!?!

Yeah...he was wrong.

I am reading they had someone run out and tell him right after the post game midfield handshake that he was fired. They literally didn't even let him walk off the field as head coach.

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I kind of understand though. He was able to meet with the team and tell them. Because the players were being released to go home after the game and with no more practices allowed for them they would have been told by media or by group text.

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They should have covered it the week before the game, even if they would have kept him if he won, tell him that.

Nebraska about to fire Riley today.

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I thought he was fired in october.

That was the AD, officially, but the writing was on the wall back then.

This is a bad year for tons of coaching changes because our recruiting class is already set so we can't really pluck away commits and there is usually positive buzz around a school that gets a new coach, I'd prefer these changes to all wait a year

Unless an NFL team wants to take Dabo so we can get KJ

Lots of rumors swirling that Chip Kelly and UCLA is essentially done, just working out the details

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That's too bad, he'd be way better off in Florida.

What makes you think that? I'm curious.

I think he's better suited for the west coast, where he's already familiar. And...don't have to contend with Alabama. And the pac12 is relatively weak.

I think that, while SoCal is a good place for talent, Florida is even better, UF has a richer athletic department, and lower academic standards. It's true that I'd rather play against the PAC12 than the SEC, and it should be easier to be at the top of the conference, but I think a Chip Kelly offense at Florida has the potential to be the funnest and gunnest offense I've ever seen.

I'm leaning the other way. I think UCLA is going to be a match made in heaven for both of them. UCLA has amazing location and in recruiting hotbed. He could make UCLA finally competitive again.

Agree completely. He's knows the crootin' landscape out there, I'd call his personality more West-Coast friendly, and expectations are more realistic. Perfect fit IMO as well.

I do wonder what his means for UF. Word is Frost is their main focus now, but so many unanswered questions: is Frost ready? I know he's got UCF rolling, but what does that even mean? Is he interested in continuing to work in FL, or does Nebraska get their golden boy to come home? If they do, what's UF's third option? What kind of a world do we live in that UF even has to go to a third option??

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Great questions, but I'm probably not going to lose any sleep over any of that at all.

Heh. Not really the point, but

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Is Frost ready? I know he's got UCF rolling, but what does that even mean?

I'm pretty confident that Frost can coach. Coaching hires are always a gamble, but G5/FCS coaches that have turned around a program/built a program are usually pretty reliable - recent examples include Fuente, Taggart, Rhule (I know Rhule has had a terrible season at Baylor, but his task was the most difficult - I expect him to reach 9/10 wins in three seasons - which will be pretty remarkable considering where Baylor is now). Urban Meyer and Chip Kelley are two wildly successful coaches who build programs at the G5 level. I honestly can't think of a signal example of a coach who completely turned around an FCS/P5 team, but failed at the P5 level.

For the same reasons, I expect Scott Frost (who took a team from 0-12 to 12-0 in two seasons) and Chad Morris (who has taken SMU from 2-10 to 7-5 to date) to succeed at P5 positions - both have proven that they can build a program from nothing. Also look to see Frank Wilson from UTSA succeed in a few years.

On the other hand, we see a lot of coaches who walk into a good G5 situation, and maintain success, rather than build success (see McElwain, Rhule, Butch Jones, Freeze). These coaches seem to be a lot more hit-or-miss than coaches who have already proven they can build programs from scratch. If I were a fan of a team searching for a coach this year, I'd be hesitant to hire Norvell or Strong - they're both doing well, but with someone else's recruits.

If they do, what's UF's third option? What kind of a world do we live in that UF even has to go to a third option??

Yep, this is a very interesting question. UF is arguably the best job in College Football, or at least top 5. I think Chip Kelly and Scott Frost would have both been fantastic fits. Willie Taggart should be their next choice (although I'm not sure he wants to move after one season at Oregon), followed by Chad Morris.

Off topic - but I would love to see someone take a chance on Joe Moorhead (PSU's OC), and I really hope it's not one of our rivals (I think he'd be dangerous at UVA). He was a head coach at Fordham University, bringing them from 5-6 to three straight FCS Playoff Births. Dave Clawson is another person who should get some consideration from a school (like Tennessee, where he was their OC under Fulmer).

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Would you say Charlie Strong built Louisville? Because he flamed out pretty quick at the P5 level.

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Hmm Probably not. Yes, he took over Louisville after a 4-8 season, but Louisville was an established program, winning the orange bowl and having a 12 win season in a P6 conference only 4 years before he got there. He 'fixed' Louisville, but didn't 'build' it.

I did think that Strong was a pretty good hire for Texas at the time. I just don't think he new how to navigate the politics at Texas, and I think it get in the way of his coaching. Had he coached at time when coaches got 5-6 years to build a program - not 3 - I think he could've been successful there (worth noting that Tom Herman couldn't even come in and have immediate success). I would not be surprised if he landed at a top 25-40 program and made multiple NY6 bowls. He would be a pretty good hire for an above average P5 team (GT, UNC, Ark, UL come to mind), and a 'floor' hire for a lot of major P5 programs.

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He couldn't win without his Florida bag men to help on the recruiting trail

Recruiting wasn't his problem

Yup. Remember Ford was headed there until Strong took the Texas job. Him and Jackson would have been scary.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

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That's a good one, but I'd say Petrino built that program. I'm actually curious to see if he gets a look from Tennesse or someone like that

The program building vs maintaining perfectly sums up my views on the matter, well done. I've been wondering the same thing recently about head coaches who built a FCS/G5/lower P5 school then failed to win at higher levels. I honestly can't think of any.

Al Golden

oohh that's a good one

Al Golden is a good one, although I will say that half way through his tenure, Temple joined the MAC, and their schedule got much easier. In 2005 (their winless season as an independent, before Al was hired) they played UVA, Miami, Clemson, MD, Wiscy, and ASU. The following year (Golden's first season, 1-11 record as an independent) they also had five P5/6 teams on their schedule. In Golden's next 3 seasons, they never played more than three P5/6 teams.

Also - did anyone actually think Golden was a good culture fit at Miami? Dude belongs at a prep school like UVA, not Da U.

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Dave Clawson is another person who should get some consideration from a school (like Tennessee, where he was their OC under Fulmer).

Ha. Clawson was only at Tennessee for one season and got a decent share of the blame for their poor play. I can't imagine he has much desire to go back to Knoxville after that experience.

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Mike London hurts your argument regarding lower-tiered program-builders succeeding at the P5 level.

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Mike London supports my argument. In 2007, Clawson went 11-3 at Richmond. London came in in 2008 and won the FCS championship. London has never had 'program builder' on his resume.

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Exactly, London can take other people's players and do something with them for two years.

First year at Richmond, national champions. Second year, lost in playoffs. Went to UVA. First year wasn't so great, but the second year almost got them to the ACCCG until 38-0, bro. They weren't even close to sniffing that for the duration of his tenure. Seriously, the high point of Timecop's UVA career after that was in 2014 when the Commonwealth Cup was a battle of bowl eligibility on both sides.

We need to root for Frost to take the Nebraska job. Otherwise Fuente might be on their short list, plus I would love for Florida to miss again

If Nebraska can't land Frost their AD should hit the road. He's the guy who can bring that program back. They need to back up the truck of cash and give him a long term deal. The only way they lose him is if they try to undersell him just because he's an alum.

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That AD is in a tough situation, because it's possible no amount of hometown pride is going to pry away someone from a top 5 or 10 job. If Florida comes in strong it's going to be very hard for him to turn that job down, especially seeing firsthand what you can do with Florida recruits.

We need to get used to Fuente being on every short list out there. We also need to stop being the overly attached girlfriend meme about it. He's not going anywhere.

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Fuentes however he could be on the move! /s

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Florida is doomed to eternal offensive purgatory.

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Five year deal

EDIT: dat buyout

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Well this certainly is going to put Florida in scramble mode. The likely target now is Frost, but with the Nebraska job opening up officially today, you have to think he's heading there.

There was a rumor that Frost to Nebraska was a done deal. I think Florida pivoted the other day because it was rumored that Chip wasn't picking them.

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I think Bielema to Nebraska would be fascinating, I think he's much better suited to the Midwest anyway.

The TX A&M opening/soon to be opening, is the most intriguing one. A fanbase with super high expectations, in the SEC West, but in a recruiting hotbed with large sums of money to back the truck up to...Why does this scream Charlie Strong?

Frankly, I find this one to be the most concerning if Fuente is shortlisted anywhere. This would hands down be a better destination. The family would certainly lose the small town feel they like here in Blacksburg. That would ultimately be the tough sell...

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Hands down a better destination? VT and A&M are somewhat similar in terms of pedigree and degree of success, but at A&M you get the SEC pressure to succeed or die, compounded by having to go through Bama every year to try to win your division (to say nothing of Auburn and LSU). If Fuente's smart, he ignores that phone call.

Agree. A&M would arguably be very low on the list of where I would take a job, unless I was just interested in the money.

But if you time it right - TAMU becomes the next Bama. Saban won't coach forever.

The one thing you have at Alabama, that you might not have anywhere else is a state government willing to do whatever it takes to help you win. If that means shorting some other university, subverting investigations or passing laws in your favor, they will do it. Your players will NOT get arrested or if they do, it will be taken care of.
This is a state dedicated to helping you win.

You have that at Penn State as well. Maybe some other places, too.

*cough* Carolina *cough*

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Agree, I love the aTm job. Same with UCLA. Those are great jobs if you get the right guy and if your competition breaks right.

I'd happily take either one. I'd also be fine with taking the sign on bonus and getting fired immediately after.

Yes, Hades will eventually return to the underworld, but that's gonna be when he decides. You could go and spin your wheels for next 3 to 4 years get fired and no longer be a hot commodity that you once were, like Sumlin. And then get stuck somewhere you never would have considered before that decision.

I would wait until the Succubus have finally lured Saban out of Alabama before taking that gamble.

Besides I think Florida is a much better fit for Fuente. Not sure why everyone is thinking A&M besides the fact that he is midwest born.

Leg for the imagery. Well done, Fernley.

The lure is there. I have said it here before, Mrs. Fuente is holding it down in Blacksburg, and I highly doubt he thinks about leaving. But a similar position that's very appealing would be hard to pass. Yes, the fan base is ridiculous, I stated that in my post. But if I'm ATM, I'd call Fuente.

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Agree. A&M is a lateral move and now that they don't play Texas every year it's almost like the allure of having a big time rival is gone.

As much as we as fans want that to be true, I think a lot of these guys probably value the increased pay and resources over the increased risk/pressure. I don't think you become a successful Power 5 HC by worrying about the pressure you're going to face at your next potential job instead of believing in your own abilities with better resources available to you.

If Fuente declines a job like that I think it's much more likely because he's already settled here and in a good fit than because he's worried about the pressure and expectations that come with an SEC job.

I think he picked VT because it's a perfect fit for him.

I think he'll be able to succeed here as well as anywhere.

Maybe part of a "good fit" is having time to execute your plan. So I do think short time frames factor into these decisions. If you need 3-5 years to achieve X goal you are not likely to take a job where you are given 1 - 2. It wouldn't make sense to take the big name job and then not be able to achieve your goals. That would lessen your value as a coach even if other people fan you were never given a chance.

A&M has a better recruiting base and a larger budget. Let's do an exercise - imagine the best college football coach of all time (prime Nick Saban) is looking for a job - Where could he win a national championship in the shortest amount of time? A&M is higher than VT on that list (thus a 'better' job) .

That said, this exercise does not account for 'fit'. I get the impression that Fuente hates the idea of dealing with obnoxious boosters and limelight, so I don't think he'd leave for a school like A&M. But I wouldn't be shock if I was wrong.

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I think you have to account for the fact that Fuente is already established at VT with Bud as his DC.

So it's not just a comparison of those two jobs, but also a consideration of the disruption of something he's already started. He's already mid-project at VT, and I'd say it's working well.

He's already mid-project at VT, and I'd say it's working well.

I think that's the question - is he closer to winning at natty at VT or A&M? One could argue A&M - he goes there, and there's a bunch of 5 stars on his roster already, and he has all the resources he needs to get more. He doesn't have to wait for the Drive for 25 to start paying dividends at A&M - it's already there. Maybe he could even keep Chavis there.

Obviously, I hope he stays. I think he is a great fit, and I think he could bring us to a level that Beamer wasn't able to. I'm just trying to look at this without the maroon and orange shaded glasses.

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Many rumors swirling that Scott Frost to Nebraska has been agreed to for a while now, they're just waiting for UCFs regular season to reach completion before announcing.

If true, Florida will have to move on to their 3rd coaching candidate in a week. They're reaching NCSU basketball search levels of public ridicule if this becomes true.

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The replies go on to imply that the announcement will be next weekend.

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they want their OC (Norvell) to come back?

I read somewhere that Beatty will be renewed another year

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If the rumors are true (Scott Frost to Nebraska), then Florida is scrambling to land a 3rd string coach. I was hoping better for them because the impact it has on MU and FSU.

However would love this because it means Tennessee is even further down on the list.

I actually think that Mack Brown is the absolute best fit for Tennessee, but their fanbase is too delusional for that.

It would be a merry Christmas if Gus Malzahn left for Arkansas and Layne Kiffin ended up in Knoxville (again).

Somehow the delusional Vol fans would flip it so that it was a good (their) idea.

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I never met a project that couldn't justify a new tool.

I support Mack Brown coaching somewhere. Anywhere.

Just get off my tv.

me too, my family is from Cookeville (as is he).

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This reads as, "We struck out on our top choices, so here's who we're going with." I'm sure Gator fans won't be super happy with this. Man, also now you have to wonder how far down the list Tennessee will be choosing from. I know Mullen was mentioned as a target there too.

LOL

While it's not the home run hire UT fans wanted, I actually think Schiano is a good get. He is a no-nonsense (Coughlin-esque) coach who will install some much needed discipline into this team. From what I've seen living in UT country, discipline is missing in a big way and has been for a long time.

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Vol Football Blogs completely melting down. He may be an ok fit but I would really not want to be him walking into this situation at Tennessee. It's a messy situation under normal circumstances. This is going to be bad.

Yep - please see my first sentence.

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This is going to be bad good.

ftfy

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That's just as good as Gruden, right? Right?

Memes aside, likely a better hire

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Gruden is coming!

...We'll get Fuente cause we're a better school!

...okay, we'll take Schiano!

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Mullen headed to UF it looks like.

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USA Today reporting Schiano is finalizing deal with Tennessee. Meyer says he has yet to hear from him.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Straight up class. Just like when he left Rutgers for Tampa.

Meyer should check espn app. Already reported its done.

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I guess he found another situation that needed Greg Schiano

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Tennessee fans are absolutely livid from what I can tell. They're talking riots.

"Tyrod, looking desperately, now throws it deep, has a man open, CAUUUGHT! Danny Coale, all the way!"

I have 3 favorite teams. VT, Kentucky, and whoever the hell is playing Tennessee.

Clay Travis just went nuts and posted the private numbers of the Tennessee AD.

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Tennessee fans are batshit crazy. Leaking a private cell phone number is too far. If you need a good laugh, Twitter is a dumpster fire right now.

"Tyrod, looking desperately, now throws it deep, has a man open, CAUUUGHT! Danny Coale, all the way!"

I have 3 favorite teams. VT, Kentucky, and whoever the hell is playing Tennessee.

This has to be an early Christmas present for you.

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

In all seriousness though, I get why so many fans are upset with the Penn State stuff. That's not something I could support for any program, even one I hate.

"Tyrod, looking desperately, now throws it deep, has a man open, CAUUUGHT! Danny Coale, all the way!"

I have 3 favorite teams. VT, Kentucky, and whoever the hell is playing Tennessee.

I can understand that. Schiano's career doesn't scream "elite head coach." It kind of screams "shot in the dark."

Actually, it has a lot to do with his possible connections to the Jerry Sandusky cover-up when he was at Penn State. Here's a conversation I'm having with a friend on Discord over the matter:

Ares - Today at 2:28 PM
Well if tennessee hires schiano I am done
Can't support anyone involved with that penn state crap
Mirumoto Taikishi - Today at 3:27 PM
:frowning:
Wait, I had no clue Greg Schiano was involved in that
*does some reading* Man, if you guys hire Schiano Tennessee is gonna be more of a dumpster fire than it already is
Ares - Today at 3:46 PM
Yeah its bad. Are state legislators are trying to get a hold of the AD and let him know it is unacceptable
Our
Mirumoto Taikishi - Today at 3:48 PM
Sadly, the national media seems to be defending the hire if it's true. Well, other than Deadspin
Ares - Today at 3:50 PM
Which I cannot fathom
Mirumoto Taikishi - Today at 3:56 PM
Because he went 11-1 at Rutgers and was never officially accused of anything concerning Sandusky
And John Brice of Gridiron Now says:

"To reiterate, multiple UTAD employees have told me this was a last-case/worst-case scenario. Can't repeat what employees are telling me, but NEVER have gotten this many texts of vaporized morale. All-time low on heels of all-time worst season."
Mirumoto Taikishi - Today at 4:00 PM
And part of it is because Florida may have gotten Mullen and Matt Campbell buyout *looks @(friend from Iowa State) * is too high
Ares - Today at 4:03 PM
Just telling someone (allegedly) isn't good enough. Tell cops, tell everyone, resign. That's the moral thing to do when kids are getting raped and you're involved in the program surrounding it. I'd rather go 0-12 than win a national championship with Schiano

They've also had the son of former NFL great Joe Horn decommit today, and I can't say I blame him if this is the hire they're going to make.

I mean, he made Schiano legitimately good, that's gotta count for something

VolNation says students are protesting the hire.

Is that rock commonly painted? Or was it just defaced for this?

I got my MBA at UT -- at least back then, it was commonly painted for big games, homecoming, etc. So, yes, commonly painted.

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Sumlin out at TAM

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Not quite gonna say I'm worried about A&M plucking Fuente quite yet but they definitely give me a lot more pause than Tennessee or Nebraska ever did.

Eight as of right now P5 jobs open.

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I'm not usually the type to revel in another team's misery.

But fuck that shit.

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EDIT: Posted this before heading over to Twitter. It's so much worse than I thought. People aren't simply dissatisfied. Didn't know about the PSU stuff. Yeesh. Now I'm a little bummed. TKP, tell me what to feel

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All this handwringing over Schiano and PSU, where was this reaction when OSU hires him?

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Head coaching hires make national headlines. Coordinator hires get a bottom fold story in the local paper.

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If true, wow. That would be another large dominoe to fall — ie, who does FSU go after?

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F$U needs Lane Kiffin. Calling it now.

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We open with FSU next year so that's something to definitely keep an eye on... Outside of the big picture ACC stuff

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Showing my ignorance of future schedules, but....we do?

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Nevermind, now I see it. Sure enough, Sep 3, 2018. The site I'm looking at says Away/Neutral — which is it?

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Labor Day in Tallahassee.

Depending on when our bye-week is, five of the first six games are already set:
Sept 3: @FSU Labor Day
Sept 8: William & Mary
Sept 15: ECU
Sept 22: @ Old Dominion
Sept 29: TBD
Oct 6: Notre Dame

Conference home games: Miami, BC, GT, UVA,
Conference away games: FSU, UNC, Duke, Pitt

Seven home games, anchored by ND and Miami. That's a sexy schedule.

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Big, if true

The SEC is going to collapse under the weight of its own expectations.

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Brett knows his stuff. How he is still unemployed is mindblowing.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I heard Patches O'Houlihan is still on the market

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

I thought he got crushed by that luck of the Irish thing?

Fake news

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

Pretty sure his last coaching gig ended by being crushed by two tons of irony

I swear to drunk, I'm not God

So today has been rather exciting. Interesting to say the least. Hopefully, Fuente doesn't get an attractive offer elsewhere and stays.

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Can't embed, but TAM owes Sumlin a $10 million buyout in the next 60 days, and it doesn't decrease if he gets another head coaching job. Wow.

In Fuente we trust.

Dan Mullen to UF so now Miss St is open.

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Manny Diaz leaving would be great especially if he takes the chain with him haha.

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The chain has been so highly publicized it might be there to stay even if Diaz leaves. Also I don't think Diaz is an elite coordinator so part of me would prefer if he just stays.

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It's definitely staying no matter what. I think Diaz is pretty good though. Definitely a small sample size though.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

If he came up with it and thinks it would work at next spot (I'm not sure it would anywhere else) he can take it as his intellectual property. Much like "row the boat".

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I am rooting so hard for Diaz to get a head coach gig out of the ACC. And he can take that fucking chain with him.

I think Tennessee fans have actually stopped the hire after it was a done deal.

"Tyrod, looking desperately, now throws it deep, has a man open, CAUUUGHT! Danny Coale, all the way!"

I have 3 favorite teams. VT, Kentucky, and whoever the hell is playing Tennessee.

So...will UT owe him a buyout? God I hope so.

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I can't embed the tweet, but several reports are saying Schiano is uncomfortable with the reaction. I don't know a person who would WANT to coach there with fans being that way...

"Tyrod, looking desperately, now throws it deep, has a man open, CAUUUGHT! Danny Coale, all the way!"

I have 3 favorite teams. VT, Kentucky, and whoever the hell is playing Tennessee.

Here's an article talking about how security was called to the Athletic Department.

I think we just witnessed a fan base form a grassroots movement to stop a coaching hire. I don't even think our fanbase could've managed this if we'd hired Rich Rod.

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Yes we would summon an army of little girls shaking a hairbrush outside the Athletic Department.

I can contribute four by myself.

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The two aren't on the same level.

Not at all. I am a Bucs fan and I get it just as much as anyone. I'd take Rich Rod 100000x over Schiano. I just making a Rich Rod joke.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I think we just witnessed a fan base form a grassroots movement to stop a coaching hire.

This is incredible. I wonder who would satisfy Tennessee. Kiffin? Petrino? I said it above, but if my team were searching for a new coach, I'd be all about Chad Morris.

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I think we just witnessed a fan base form a grassroots movement to stop a coaching hire.

Edit: removed this paragraph.

It's delicious that better coaches are NOT available to them, but this was the best guy their AD could get. Turning him away means UT needs to go even further down their list. And the fanbase went for that.

They decided that something was more important than the best coach available to them.

I think you're giving UT fans far too much credit. If Schiano was a higher profile coach, they would've been fine with this.

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I wanted to say this earlier in the thread, but there wasn't a good place to put it. There's nothing that reasonably proves that Greg Schiano knew about the Sandusky scandal. Dan Wetzal, who covered the Sandusky scandal for 5 years, and arguably knows it better than any other journalist, made this clear.

UT fans are pissed about the hire. Anyone who calls the hire immoral is searching for reasons to be angry about it.

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I didn't want to say it butttttttt yeppppp.... lol.

I think there's a genuine contingent that doesn't like it for that reason but hard to tell how many that is.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Another:

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

So, Schiano is unemployed. No way Urban is letting him back...you know, since he didn't bother to mention he was leaving.

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It wouldn't surprise me if the deal has soured... but the sauce for the Dan Harrelson tweet is a tweet from a student protester.

It may be just a brilliant move by (Vol AD)Currie. He was not going to find a replacement that was going to make the delusional Vol fans happy. Now they will be happy with whoever he gets. They are even clamoring for Kiffin.

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James Bond didn't go up against villains that conniving. If this was a stunt then this was one hell of a stunt.

I'm just waiting to see where Comment Score ends up. He can stop mobile quarterbacks.

There is a story here, but I know better than to search for it...

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Listening to Vol radio is easily the best thing I've done all week.

There are reports that Tennessee signed the contract with Schiano 2 weeks ago and now owe him $20 million.

There are reports that Tennessee signed the contract with Schiano 2 weeks ago and now owe him $20 million.

UT AD watching the reaction today like

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So if that's true Tennessee would owe 30 million between Jones and Schiano.

...That's what Maryland does.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

I respect Tennessee fans for taking the moral high ground here in regards to Schiano but that could seriously fuck up their program for the forseeable future if it forces them to make a shitty hire for way, way less money than they were prepared to give. Have to wonder if they'll regret driving Schiano out before he even started if they're still a complete mess because of this contract snafu in 5 years.

Let's make no mistake about it - the outrage has absolutely nothing to do with his involvement with the Penn St. scandal. This has everything to do with Tenn fans having unrealistic expectations (#Grumors) about this next coach and being completely let down with an underwhelming hire in Schiano. If Schiano was a top big name coaching candidate with the same baggage, trust me you wouldn't be hearing that brought up at all. It's sad that the scandal is being used as a cover for the real pushback against Schiano.

Dilly Dilly.... well said sir.

Rockytop knows no moral high road.

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Absolutely.

We'd hear that he wasn't the head coach and responsibility falls on him, it was in the past, etc.

That would be beyond glorious and such a tennessee thing to do!

Now Schiano's side wants damages:

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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There will be an AD position in Knoxville shortly

Hahaha you may be right, but what AD are they gonna get, too?

They'll go after Liberty's Ian McCaw

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Tennessee is going to have to hire some MAC or Sun Belt coach for 6 figures a year at this rate.

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Mike London is available.

So...any chance Brent Venables goes anywhere?

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As someone who hates clemson, I would love to see him leave. Miss St or Arkansas...or Kansas St if Snyder leaves. Hopefully he brings some clemson coaches with him. Too bad everyone is looking for offensive guys lately.

As an aside, he loved Lane Stadium

In all seriousness though, who does Tennessee actually get at this point?

Is it football season yet?

Stinespring?

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Stinespring?

I saw this and spit my cigarette onto my desk! Fireman!

Where is Lawson?!

You have to think they go to somebody with ties to the program at this point. Who from outside would want to even go near that job in light of what happened today? I could see them making a major reach and hiring Tee Martin to unite the fan base, but he has no head coaching experience. Jim Bob Cooter, Detroit Lions OC and former Tenn player/GA, could also be a possibility.

Cutcliffe?

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Good call, forgot about him. Could definitely see that too.

I'll be shocked if Cut leaves his sweet spot at Duke for that shitshow.

"I mean, you know, fuck them, but good for them." -Too Druck to Funk

Plus he's said many times he will finish his career at Duke. I don't see him going anywhere except retirement, when he chooses.

Mack Brown?

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Just listing names:

  • Matt Campbell - find a way to cover the 10mil buy out
  • Les Miles
  • Kevin Sumlin
  • David Cuttcliffe
  • David Clawson

I actually think the last two would be good hires, although if you go Cuttcliffe, you have to hire an assistant who is an unofficial coach-in-waiting.

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Wasn't there a report earlier that they wanted Campbell but couldn't handle the buyout? Maybe they'd be willing to now, but that's a huge pill to swallo

That's the report/rumor. I don't understand how UT was ready to give Gruden $10 mil per year, but can't afford campbell for $10mil up front + $3-5 mil/year. Unless the $10 mil per year to Gruden was never actually happening. Hmmm...

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or a group of wealthy benefactors were willing to pony up for Gruden but not another coach.

My money is now on Tee Martin. I think they are going to be willing to take a gamble on a non-proven HC, just so they can be sure they get a "UT guy".

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You can't spell FOURTH CHOICE without the U - T.

{is that how you spell fourth? Looks weird.}

You can't spell FOURTH FOURTEENTH CHOICE without the U - T.

FTFY.

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I hear Art Briles still unemployed.

In all seriousness it doesn't seem like there is any substance to the Schiano allegations. While it's not a sexy hire, he probably could have had overhauled the program to make that a more attractive job in 4 to 5 years. I'm guessing this wasn't UTs first choice, probably not the 2nd, 3rd or 4th ether. I don't think the UT job is all the attractive once you get past the salary but good luck on convincing VolNation of that.

Ole Miss will keep interim Matt Luke as HC moving forward. Kind of fun, as my wife grew up with Matt in grade school in Gulfport.

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Wow. Either they are seriously overreacting to an egg bowl win or literally no one was willing to take that job.

He's an Ole Miss guy who is willing to stay on despite the specter of looming NCAA sanctions, which could be significant.

I think they both know what it is. Keep the ship from completely sinking with the coming sanctions. I have heard from Ole Miss people that they liked how he helped keep things from completely slipping away this year.

Or they are punting until next year when the competition isn't so fierce for new coaches.

I'm sure someone said that very thing last year.

Yeah, it's not a good strategy. But Ole Miss also doesn't know what the NCAA will do to them. A year may provide clarification. And knowing the NCAA, the answer is probably nothing. We're going to do nothing to you. Because, UNC. And Miami. And Louisville.

Either they are seriously overreacting to an egg bowl win or literally no one was willing to take that job.

While both might be true, I do think he did a pretty impressive job getting to .500 this year. They were 5-7 last year, and that was before the Hugh Freeze scandal broke.

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Seriously though. Do you think our fan base would have reacted Kindly to Schiano? I don't think so. I don't see P5 star power here.

Dude won at Rutgers.

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I wouldn't want him because he's kind of (a huge) dick.

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Yep. And just look at the list of Rutgers players during his time there who are now playing in the NFL. It's impressive what he did at Rutgers.

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I guess we missed our opportunity. He started at OSU in 2016 after being out of coaching since 2013. As for his time at Rutgers 67-66 is technically winning.

Do you think our fan base would have reacted Kindly to Schiano?

I would defect to ODU.

Where is Lawson?!

I am still shocked that Mike Elko isn't in HC job discussions. The guy has been a really good defensive coordinator and turned around a dumpster fire (still work to do, but they were awful last year) at Notre Dame.

I know he has a cake job and loves Youngstown State, but I am the only one that is shocked that Jim Tressel never gets mentioned for openings?

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I was in Ohio during Tressel's days. Even when they were winning he drove fans nuts with their (perceived) anemic offenses. No way a major school would stand for it now.

nebraska might if theyre winning

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Solich says, "... don't trust it."

Maybe they have changed, but I doubt it.

I know he has a cake job...

I'm getting a subtle hint that French may be leaving Team Pie for Team Cake.

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Doesn't he still have that show-cause penalty hanging around his neck after the tattoo fiasco under his watch at OSU? Or did that have an expiration date on it?

Speaking of YSU, I'm surprised Bo Pellini's name hasn't shown up in any of these coaching searches. Sure the guy's, shall we say....unpolished, but dude can coach.

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Tressels show-cause was for 5 years. It ended December 2016, its a little surprising that his name hasn't been tossed around at least some.

is chad morris making any noise at all this year in the coaching search? if im A&M hes my target

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I did a lot of reading today. GS was already a 4th choice for UT, who were turned down by Matt Campbell and buyout, and Dan Mullen. They don't have the $$ either, which is holding up Tee Martin. Somewhat of a shocker regarding $$. Jeff Brohm has been contacted. Tee is still on the table.

Here's one article with a brief summary:
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As far as the GS fiasco, I would say that Vols fans would look the other way if Peyton was in a similar situation. Which, unfortunately, he was with a former female athletic trainer.

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There's degrees of awfulness. Peyton's isn't even in the same universe as Penn St

There's no definitive proof that Schiano knew anything though. It's all hearsay and Tennessee fans are just dumb for thinking their school is as attractive of a landing spot for a big time coach as they wish it was. No tier 1 coach is going to want to touch that place with a 10ft pole and I don't think they have the money to realistically get one anyways.

Yeah i get that, but when you are about to receive a multi-million dollar, buyout laden contract and be the public face for my school, the bar is a lot higher than that. He may or may not have known, we'll likely never know. He is absolutely innocent from a criminal perspective, but when it comes to assessing risk for future issues, that's not enough for me. I would be upset if VT hired him in any capacity because I don't think there's any reason to touch anyone associated with that mess. Plenty of Tennessee fans are using it as a cop-out, sure, but I don't blame them at all for being upset.

Technically, from a criminal law perspective there's no such thing as 'innocent,' just 'not guilty.'

The PSU OC - Joe Morehead? He's an up and comer, knows offense, and should be a hot commodity in the coming carousels. Maybe him to Tennessee

So what about Bryan Stinespring, Curt Newsome and Shane Beamer??? /s

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I saw a tweet earlier in the week that said Rice is the first team in a couple of decades to fail to score a single point off of a turnover in a season.

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Jimbo to Rice!

Where is Lawson?!

Ironically the Tennessee job is a garbage can now. I can't imagine they get a big name now and will probably be another decade of weak until they find the right person.

Anybody hear any more about that Jimbo to A&M rumor? I would imagine that news would come out sooner rather than later to help keep recruits by getting another big name to come in. I think that it was more a rumor setup by Jimbo's agent to get a bump and/or extension even after this kind of season.

Yeah, Tennessee might have shot itself in the same foot from many different angles yesterday. First, Schiano was a bad hire, and showed the AD has no clue what its doing. Then, the fans revolted, showing the expectations at that program might be the most out of whack in the entire sport. Then, the media gets involved, posting private numbers and fanning the flames showing the relationship they have with what is already there. And for insult, they're probably still going to have to pay him something, as the contract was signed, showing they have no fiscal clue of how to do business.

If you're a legitimate good coach, why the hell would you go there, with THAT kind of insane pressure to not just win, but dominate immediately, knowing Bama and Georgia stand in the way of your goals. And its not like that place will accept a 3-5 year rebuild. They demand to win NOW.

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Well, it could be a smart business decision. Sign on, get some guaranteed money, get out. As long as you do a decent jobs and don't step on other people in the industry, it couldn't hurt too much. I mean, if Schiano signed and UT is backing out, they owe him money. Why not be coach for a year or two and get a few million dollars?

Why not be coach for a year hour or two and get a few million dollars?

FTFY.

I look at it as a resume killing job. At Tennessee everything is there (money, facilities, conference affiliation, location, recruiting budget) to be unbelievably successful. Anyone who goes there should be able to win. But its an incredibly toxic environment that chews up and spits out any coach at the first sign of trouble. Butch had zero chance of keeping his job this year after the way last year went, and the team knew it and gave up on him midway through because of it. The next coach will have an even shorter leash, because of the success that their peers are having (make no mistake, they saw the likes of VT and UGa going to the conference title games in Year 1 of a new coach and are using that as a measuring stick).

The second you sign up there, you're setting yourself up to fail. If you're not perfect, you'll get run out of town with your head on a spike. Oh, and you better be able to compete with and beat the likes of Bama and Georgia, because that's the expectation.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

If you're going to try and build a career, you're as delusional as the fan base. If you're a coach who is ready to call it, take the money and leave. That's decent retirement money.

If I'm a coach that close to retirement, the LAST thing I want to do is deal with that kind of high stress situation for a few years before I call it quits, regardless of money.

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Kirby Smart is in his 2nd year at UGA and didn't win the division in the first. However Jim McElwain won it his 1st and 2nd year and got canned in his 3rd even earlier than Butch. So based on your premise, isn't Florida potentially just as bad or worse than Tennessee?

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Florida won the East but they were a bad team both years, and played bad, unwatchable football. I get that winning is what matters and all, but you want to enjoy watching your team and Florida under McElwain was absolutely unwatchable. They took advantage of a down East and an incredible lucky streak in close games.

I wrote a longer response but it timed out during submission so I'll keep it simple.

Look at Florida's head coaching hires and their records since Spurrier. The expectation is to immediately play for national titles and even then the stress is so high that Urban Meyer had to leave due to health problems. If that's not a toxic position, I don't know what is.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinsku, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Urban Meyer had to leave due to health problems

Trying hard not to laugh at this one.

Look at Florida's head coaching hires and their records since Spurrier. The expectation is to immediately play for national titles

Both post-Urban UF hires were trending down when they were fired. Muschamp failed to install an offense three years in a row, and McElwain was unable to beat most of the ranked teams they played. Both coached in one of the easiest divisions in CFB with superior recruits.

Were the UF firings early? Probably. Did either coach show any sign that they were turning the situation around? No. Both coaches failed to create an offensive identity after 3 years. Maybe it was an aggressive timeline, but I don't think UF was wrong.

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And Auburn and LSU. And Florida, who up until last year had been about as dominant against Tennessee as us against UVA. They thought they were too good for Dan Mullen but now I expect him to start a new streak against Tennessee at UF.

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I think its a TV graphic about to open up

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I like my guess better.

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I can't stop laughing at this

Glad to see Tennessee fans taking the Schiano allegations so seriously in their objections to his hire.

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My favorite excerpt from this article:

If you are a Tennessee fan who has sincere ethical qualms about what Schiano may have known at Penn State many years ago, fine. The attorney general who prosecuted the Sandusky case doesn't, but OK. Ohio State apparently is satisfied with Schiano's reputation, since it has employed him the last two years.

But if you used this as a Trojan horse to blockade a coaching hire you don't like because you think Tennessee football deserves better, shame on you. And now that the Schiano hire has been blown up because of this, good luck landing the next guy. Who would want to deal with this fan base right now?

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Especially since there is a movement to remove the AD now also.

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To be fair, a lot of the fanbase didn't want Currie either.

My brother-in-law is a big Vols fan, and the thing that lots of people don't realize outside the bubble is that Jimmy Haslam (Cleveland Browns & Pilot/Flying J owner) has an outsized influence on that athletic department (cuz $$$$$, per usual). Haslam apparently was the major backer of Currie in the AD hiring process.

The fact that the owner of one of the most incompetent franchises in professional sports has sway over a college athletics program should tell you everything you need to know about Tennessee right now.

Word from a co-worker that's a longtime Vols fan is that Haslam also tried his hardest to get Schiano on the Browns as well, but was repeatedly shut down by the front office. Rumors are he was apparently trying to do the same thing at Tennessee as well, and he would have gotten away with it too if it hadn't been for those meddling kids (fans).

I generally like Pat Forde, but the sanctimony coming from him and a few other national writers here is BS. Tennessee fans, who are the customers, soundly rejected the hire, for a multitude of reasons. There are FAR better candidates (Tee Martin, Jeff Brohm, Charlie Strong, etc) that they would have accepted.

Add in the fact that Schiano is widely known to be borderline abusive to his players and a general ass (look up what he did to Josh Freeman in Tampa), I absolutely understand the rejection of Schiano.

Well then reject him for those reasons then.

But that's not what UT fans did. I agree that Schiano is an underwhelming hire, BUT to pretend it's about the Penn St stuff is a cop out of the highest degree.

The AG of Pennsylvania aggressively investigated any and all possible connections to Sandusky's behavior and cover up. He determined Schiano was not involved / didn't know. An NFL team that employed him as a head coach and a very successful major university that also employed him did extensive background research and determined there was "no there there"

If you don't want to hire a guy because he just might not be a good coach, that's cool. But don't make up shit that has more or less been shown he had nothing to do with.

This 100%. I'm all about the grassroots effort to voice an opinion on the hiring process but don't be a bunch of fucking pussies leaning on a false claim rather than owning the reasons you don't like the hire. I personally think this entire saga is disgusting but not altogether surprising considering the fan base in question. Just my $0.02.

To be fair, the initial reaction I saw from Vols fans was just that it was a shitty hire. The Penn State stuff started to trend later, but the first reactions were more about him being Butch Jones all over again.

Secondly, I'm of the opinion that you can't hire ANYONE with a Penn State connection from that era. I'll steal French's twitter argument: would you want your company to hire an executive from Enron, even if they weren't directly implicated in the scandal? That whole situation was so toxic and awful that I wouldn't want VT to touch a single coach from those staffs.

I'll steal French's twitter argument: would you want your company to hire an executive from Enron, even if they weren't directly implicated in the scandal? That whole situation was so toxic and awful that I wouldn't want VT to touch a single coach from those staffs.

I'm not sure I consider a position coach an 'executive' in this analogy. IMO, Schiano was the equivalent of a mid-level employee.

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Position coaches work 12 hour days with the coaching staff year-round. I would consider them executive level in this analogy. Support staff would be mid-level employee types.

It seemed like UT fans upped the game when it became obvious that "leadership" wouldn't change their minds based on the "he's not good enough" argument. Start throwing around the "he enabled a pedophile" combined with the newspaper story that says Shiano may have known (based on McQuerry's testimony of a 2nd hand discussion) and you have a shitstorm of outrage, that the UT administration couldn't ignore.

Who would want to deal with this fan base right now?

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If I'm Larry Fedora I'm looking for a new job this offseason before he gets ousted after another bad year. I also think Clawson leaves Wake soon. He's done nothing but make winners his whole career. Surprised neither of those two are getting much mention.

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I think that we need to add Greg Schiano to the fired list for Tennessee as well....

Too soon? Nah! Hahahaha!

Scott Frost to Nebraska? Seeing some headlines today

UVA lost to richmond

More smoke....

Time to hit up #FSUTwitter

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There was smoke last year with LSU. For whatever reason, dude has a foot out the door.

But, for me, that opens up a helluva lot more interesting job than aTm. What will FSU do? The choices are endless.

I believe they'll go after Taggart, with Charlie Strong as a backup plan.

If UF couldn't get Taggart, I don't think FSU can. Charlie Strong will be interesting.

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I could also see FSU going after someone like Clawson, Brohm, or Frost. Although i've been seeing some rumors of Frost to Nebraska.

From what I understand Florida tried him first but he wouldn't even talk to them.

I could not see FSU hiring Wake Forest's coach.

I can. It might have taken a couple of years but Wake is back to respectability. With FSU's talent, he would be reloading not rebuilding.

Bummer for the ACC to lose a great coach but if this means FSU botches their last game and doesn't get to go bowling, I am all for it. That asterisk needs to die.

I am curious as to the recruiting implications of the carousel. I mean this year just seems crazier than most, but I have no idea how much coach turnover actually sways recruits to swap. Should be an interesting stretch run to signing day.

Answer:

C'mon... somebody hire Venables as head coach!

On top of that, isn't this the first year of early signing period?

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Yep which is going to be so much fun.

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New best timeline scenario

Tennessee is boned by the Memorandum of Understanding, and they are going to have to pay Schiano for breaking the contract. They realize they can't afford to pay Butch Jones the >$7m buyout for him, and the (I'm not kidding) $25m buyout for Schiano, and then hire another coach at the level the fans will demand. Financially, they have no choice, and they work to nullify Schiano's canceled contract, and he's the head coach next year, not because they want him, but because they can't afford it to not be him.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Tennessee would be one step above death penalty-ing themselves if that comes to pass. Say hello to a couple of empty recruiting classes and a 1-11 season.

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Not the coach the Tennessee fans wanted, but the one they deserved.

Haters gonna hate, potatoes gonna potate, and hetzers gonna hetz

There's no way they're going to have to pay $25m to Schiano for a few hours of being the rumored next coach. He never even left Ohio. A deal will be made for far, far less, and both sides will go on their way.

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And now, Lane Kiffin is overtly trolling UT on Twitter. Wow, this is getting nuts...

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His twitter game has been very strong lately, especially because he has been trolling Saban.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

He is at the point of flat out not giving a fuck, which is when hilarity insues.

Kiffin left UT on his terms after one season. He wasn't fired. Is he just delusional or an idiot? Why would they want him back anyway? I feel like the crazy pills are extra potent this afternoon.

He's fucking with them. He's fucking with everybody

Which somehow makes him way more likable.

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If Auburn doesn't win the SECCG, I wonder if Gus Malzhan jumps ship to say FSU or one of SEC West openings. Auburn has been looking for reasons to fire him the last two seasons. It would be hilarious to see Auburn left scrambling to find a coach 2 and half weeks before the early signing date.

I've heard he doesn't get along with folks there and is willing to leave anyway. Not sure if that means folks in the athletic department or donors. I do remember reading a profile of their most influential donor, and he was the primary cause of Tommy Tuberville leaving.

He's an Arkansas guy, so that's been the speculation I've heard. But, I'd be surprised if he'd want to go try and rebuild Arkansas, considering the relative success he's had at Auburn. Heck, he may very well have Auburn in the final 4 this year. Which, no one saw coming.

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TT must've called for a TD throw when he should've ran. I mean, he got the TD, but what did he REALLY get out of it?

New Tenn rumor...

Looks like it might end up being Tee Martin, former Vols QB and current USCw Offensive Coordinator.

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If true, I called it yesterday (above in this thread). Just saying.... ;-)

If not true, carry on....nothing to see here....

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Apparently there are now people within the Tennessee AD who are saying Martin isn't qualified enough to be their head coach, per Finebaum on the drive home.

Finebaum also had a wonderful quote to some poor UT lady who called in with the kind of smug talking down that would make a Hoo proud... "Who in the hell is Tennessee to think that Greg Schiano isn't a good enough coach for their program?"

He also said he's heard from credible sources that both Peyton Manning and Phil Fulmer signed off on Schiano before the rumors came out.

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He also said he's heard from credible sources that both Peyton Manning and Phil Fulmer signed off on Schiano before the rumors came out.

On the drive in this morning, local Nashville sports talk was interviewing Knoxville reporter, Jimmy Hyams. He said he knew for a fact that Schiano was decided on by Haslam, AD Currie and Peyton Manning. He didn't mention Fulmer being involved, though that wouldn't surprise me.

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If Fisher bolts to TAMU it will be proof that he lost his team this year. Glennon could have won with that team.

Where is Lawson?!

Sean or Mike? Or John?

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You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Grant Noel could have won 10 games with FSU's talent this year. And I don't mean Grant Noel in his prime, I mean present day Grant Noel.

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When did Grant Noel have a prime?

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Did you watch FSU at all this year?

Their biggest weakness was the offensive line, and that was the knock against them at the beginning of the year. It pretty much cost them their season too, as Francois got injured in game 1. A guy like Glennon would have been a sitting duck behind that line.

They couldn't pass protect and could barely run block either. Starting a true freshman in Cam Akers didn't help, even though he is immensely talented. They were extremely young this year, especially at skill positions.

Well that's taking a hot commodity off the market.

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Very curious if he has a lower buyout as a result. It was 9 million dollars.

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Maybe I missed it since there are 8,000 comments in this thread, but has anyone heard if there are any legs to Fuente and Nebraska? If you look at the very recent news on coaching rumor mill sites several are saying that Fuente has been/being veted. For a school to go through that trouble, does that mean that the coach had to be interested or are they throwing spaghetti at the wall?

Frost has said he would be insulted if they didn't consider him. His is the only name I have heard in connection with Nebraska. And the talking heads have said that the only reason he would go is because it is where he played.
Fuente would make no sense there.

At the moment, it's such an inferior job to VT. Fuente has momentum, a hungry, supportive fan base that (for the most) understands the concept of patience, and a seat at a really nice table (the ACC). Nebraska is coming off their worst record in ages, and stuck in a new conference with really uninspiring "rivalries" (in part because Nebraska hasn't been truly relevant in 20 years)

If I'm Scott Frost, the question I need to ask is "Is going home worth the headache, pressure, rebuild, expectations etc? Is Nebraska still a great job?"

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Plus you'd have to live in Nebraska......

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I read this in Lieutenant Aldo Rain's voice from Inglorious Bastards from his "Fighting in a Basement" speech.

"You know, {coaching Nebraska} offers a lot of difficulties. Number 1 being, {you've got to live in Nebraska.}"

This is just my own opinion, of course lacking any sauces, but I just don't see Fuente leaving until he's at least 4 seasons into VT. He, along with a lot of our recent coaching hires, has gone out of his way to say he loves working for Whit, his family loves Blacksburg, the ACC has a very direct path to the championship and we are without a doubt one of the 5 best teams in the conference (arguably top 3), and we have pretty good to great facilities. The only real downside is that his contract isn't paying him Saban or Harbaugh money right now. Without something major happening, I don't see why he would leave unless one of two things happen: 1) He feels like he's taken VT as far as it can go and he just can't win a Natty here, or 2) He wins a natty here and we just can't/won't pay him a salary commensurate with that level of success. Either way, it will take at least a couple more seasons to figure that out.

other names have been mentioned, i saw Toledo's coach as listed in addition to the Miss St job, among others

Frost most likely is in line for Nebraska, but don't be surprised if FSU has to hambone him in with Jimbo going to aTm.

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Mullen was UF's third choice. Kelley was their first choice, he picked UCLA. Frost was their second choice, Tom Osborne convinced him to come home. Once UF went with Mullen, it signaled Frost to Nebraska.

I have no concerns about Fuente to Nebraska. I do have slight concerns about Fuente to aTm, very slight. I have larger concerns about Fuente to FSU if Jimbo goes to aTm.

But, reminder, these are two way streets. I have concerns that Fuente would take the FSU job if offered. But FSU is FSU, they have lots and lots of options. Fuente is a solid, young offensive coach but he hasn't demonstrated a high level of recruiting yet and there will be skepticism of what he would be without Foster. So, even though some of us may be concerned about certain jobs, that doesn't mean Fuente is even in the discussion at those places.

I'm more concerned that someone will want Foster as the big whistle somewhere.

I honestly think that if that were ever going to happen, it would have happened already. I think he's happy with what he has going. Just my opinion though.

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Leaving someplace after spending 30 years there with people who love you is something I don't imagine anyone would want. The offer would have to be so lucrative to overcome all that. Look at Bill Roth. He came back to Blacksburg because it didn't feel like home anywhere else.

This. I feel attached to VT/Blacksburg after 5 years. I can't even imagine 30.

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this is so 2007.....

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

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Bud is moving to Cassell to be the first BBall defensive coordinator. Every in bounds after a made basket will start to resemble the lunch pail

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Any rumors of Fuente leaving are just that rumors....with no legs. I seriously doubt he goes anywhere anytime soon. Lets see where we are after 5 years with him and then possibly.

But he doesn't seem like the type of guy to just jump at the dollar or leave a top 25 P5 job in the first two years of a rebuild because a "better" option came along. Again, he said he turned down something like 18 offers the year he came to VT??

He doesn't even have a team full of his players yet. I'm sure teams will look at him but I truly think it's really just a waste of time. You don't jump from a top 25 P5 program after two years to another top 25 P5 program. And aTm is a lateral move, IMO. Sure they have more money but their program is on the same level as ours.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

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Well now it's a rumor with a leg. Good post.

No idea how to imbed but espn just put up an article about how apparently Schianos lawyers are looking into what his options are in getting $$$$$ out of this whole fiasco this is going to get good folks.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

I guess he'd better, because who is going to hire him as a head coach after this fiasco?

I imagine he is still paid pretty well at OSU. But, I kind of do feel bad for him. He is only 51 and still could have had a decent tenure as a head coach somewhere. I guess he could still hit the reset button at somewhere like ECU?

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I bet he comes out of this smelling a lot better than Volnation. Starting to look like public sentiment is moving in his direction.

I really hope he ends up coaching some SEC East team (with his reputation restored) and he rips the Vol leg off and beats them with it.

disclaimer: I might be biased against Tennessee.

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He should, they certainly damaged his reputation. Maybe irreparably.

{That said, anyone involved with PSU during the Sandusky years can go fuck themselves.}

To be fair, I think it was being directly called out, under oath, as a likely enabler of Sandusky at Penn State that sullied his reputation.

A claim that none of the federal investigators involved with the case could ever corroborate. The only, and I mean ONLY time he was ever linked was that one statement, under oath... and as we all know, nobody ever lies or gets details wrong under oath. Its also worth noting that none of the other statements from anyone else involved ever linked Schiano to what happened there, including those who would have a reason to link him.

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Even ignoring the penn state allegations (however damning the truth actual is or isn''t) his time at Tampa Bay was still shameful and reason enough for me not to want him anywhere near my school.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

It's a claim that CAN'T be corroborated, because the coaches at Penn State went on lock down.

There is no advantage to Penn State to actually tell the truth about those events, which is why they already lost all credibility regarding that case. They circled the wagons.

The only person with any credibility was Mike McQueary, who testified that Schiano was mentioned as an eyewitness to the abuse that happened in the 1990's. If the story is true, they reported the abuse to Paterno. The abuse itself, of course, was corroborated by the people who were abused as children.

The goal of the Penn State administration was to weather the allegations and not damage their football program. They've largely succeeded in that in short order.

So you're willing to completely blackball a coach because of a rumor stemming from a single statement from a single source that nobody is able to prove?

Yeah, I'm not willing to do that at all

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I found McQueary to be a credible witness. Why would he make that up? He got death threats, and his career and life were destroyed over it.

So yeah, I would not consider Schiano for the head coach position of my football program.

But the real question here is "Is Schiano the best coach for Tennessee out of all the possibilities?" I think the answer to that is "no", and you have to wonder how he got the nod to begin with.

Do I believe that at some point someone may have told McQueary that way back when, Greg Schiano once saw something and maybe told someone? Sure. Does that mean that "Greg Schiano covered up child rape at Penn State"? Ehhhhhhhh

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To be fair, I think it was being directly called out, under oath, as a likely enabler of Sandusky at Penn State that sullied his reputation.

There was a 3rd degree account alleging that Greg Schiano saw Sandusky abuse a child. Supposedly, Schiano told someone that he witnessed child abuse, and that someone told McQuerry what Schaino told him. McQuerry later mentioned this while testifying.

There is nothing that supports that Schiano was "a likely enabler of Sandusky at Penn State."

I get that everyone wants justice for the Sandusky scandal, but there's nothing that reasonably implicates Schiano other than the fact he coached under Sandusky. If every Penn State player was unaware of the abuse, it's not unreasonable to believe that Schiano was also unaware.

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There is nothing that supports that Schiano was "a likely enabler of Sandusky at Penn State."

This is McQueary's testimony, under oath. You can decide whether you think it's credible or not, but you can't say that there's NOTHING that supports the conclusion that Schiano knew about Sandusky:

A: [Bradley] said another assistant coach had come to him in the early '90s about a very similar situation to mine, and he said that he had—someone had come to him as far back as early as the '80s about seeing Jerry Sandusky doing something with a boy.

Q: Did he identify who the other coaches were that had given him this information?

A: The one in the early '90s, yes.

Q: And who was that?

A: Greg Schiano.

Q: Greg Schiano?

A: Yes.

Q: And did he give you any details about what Coach Schiano had reported to him?

A: No, only that he had—I can't remember if it was one night or one morning, but that Greg had come into his office white as a ghost and said he just saw Jerry doing something to a boy in the shower.

This is McQueary's testimony, under oath.

Again, McQuerry is NOT saying that Schiano directly told him that he witnessed Sandusky. McQuerry is saying that someone else told him that Schiano mentioned he witness Sandusky. McQuerry might be under oath, but this middleman (for lack of a better term) is NOT. I stand by my previous comments - at best, it's possible Schiano knew, but nothing suggests that it's 'likely'. I'm not willing to ruin someone's career over a possibility.

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Latest I've heard is that Schiano signed a memorandum of understanding with the AD, but the chancellor if the university never signed it. Without the chancellor's signature, it isn't a binding agreement, since the chancellor has to sign off on all hiring decisions. However, you can bet your ass a Tennessee court will be the final arbiter of that.

"I mean, you know, fuck them, but good for them." -Too Druck to Funk

I'm not familiar with contracts at this level but there are plenty with arbitration clauses. But yes, he's going to the fight to get something.

ESPN is reporting that the Vols are having conversations with Mike Gundy. While his hair would be quite fitting at Tennessee, he has a much easier path to playoff in the Big 12. I'm guessing Tee Martin must have been eliminated for one reason or another.

Weirdest part about that is not that UT is a harder path to playoff but Gundy's alma mater is Ok State.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Beamer was a night of sleep away from taking the HC job at UNC.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

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Good point but VT then isn't like Ok State now.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

IIRC it was after our run at the natty.

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It was. But VT then still wasn't what OK State is now and UNC then isn't what UT is now (by a long shot).

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Making a national championship appearance > being the third best team in the Big12.

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Ehhh I'm not going to get into an argument about which school is better but Ok State does have fat wallets (T Boone Pickens). The point I'm trying to make is Oklahoma State's program now is much better off than VT's was in 2000 and UT's program now is much better off now than UNC's was in 2000. But every major program is better now than it was in 2000. There's more money, nicer facilities, it's all changed. That's why I'm saying it's hard to compare the two situations with the arms race we have now. The entire landscape has changed since 2000.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

It was a simpler time; it was a better time.

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BIG 12 does not have an easier path to the Playoffs. BIG 12 has not made it into the playoffs until this year.

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Yeah they did, OU played Clemson in the Orange Bowl. But you can make an argument for each one. At UT, you have to play Alabama every year, possibly twice to get there. At OKST you have to play Oklahoma at least once a year and maybe twice.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

UT is in the SEC East and doesn't schedule Bama every year.

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I stand corrected, but your conference only making it once in the playoffs existence is not good when you look comparatively. Yes they will make it this year as well.

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Totally.

I'd think Gundy would rather coach his alma mater than UT, no matter how rocky his relationship is with T. Boone Pickens and the upper echelon of OKST donors.

What a disaster of a school to coach for. The last football coach that wasn't fired was Lane Kififn, who left for USC. The last basketball coach that wasn't fired was Cuonzo Martin, who left for Cal.

I wonder if they'd be better of letting Brady Hoke coach the team next season and trying again in 2018.

After seeing what Jimmy Haslem has done for the Cleveland Browns, would you want to be under his thumb at Tennessee?

Definitely a Faustian proposition.

I just saw this as well and was getting ready to comment on it here. I doubt Gundy goes to UT, but if he does, I'll finally start to be concerned about Fuente leaving Blacksburg. OSU ( proximity to home, Boone Pickens money, opportunity to jab a stick in OU's eye every year) seems like one of the few jobs I could see CoachFu leaving for so soon.

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This reeks of Gundy using Tennessee to get himself and his assistants a raise at Okie St

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UT offer is to double his current $4.2m salary.

Wow

At first I read that as they were doubling his current salary to $4.2m and was like holy shit he only makes $2.1m. Then I read it correctly and was like holy shit he might make $8.4m.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Wish we would see Doeren or Fedora rumors out there.

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Why? I think both are perfect for us. Both will do alright in recruiting, but, all things staying the same, we'll start to poach more and more away from them as the years pass. Those 2 guys have had teams that have been able to take advantage of an opportunistic season where their teams got old right when the power teams in the division took a step backwards. The last couple years have shown what Fedora is really capable of, and if not for a bad FSU team this year, NCSU is probably looking at another 7 win season in what was hailed as the best team that Doeren would likely ever have.

Neither is a legit threat where they are.

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If, and thats a BIG IF, Gundy leaves for UT and Fuente goes to OKSt, then we are shit out of luck, being in the middle or end of the coaching carousel cycle.

but i'd take Charlie Strong or Kevin Sumlin in a heartbeat, or promote Bud Foster. As long as Foster stays, I'm good.

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PJ Fleck!

Is it football season yet?

Not a chance. Best bet at that point would be to promote bud to HC, beg him to keep his salary approx. the same and then hire one of the most expensive OC's in the country and make them an associate HC or something along those lines.

Or double down on defense and hire Venables as HC.

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Good Lord

Besides those two, some other good choices out there: Brohm, Norvell, Venables, Morris.

If we hired Venables over Bud you could kiss the Drive for 25 campaign goodbye. Not only would potential new donors disappear but current donors would withdraw their financial support.

Ehh, I would want the best guy. Venables could be the next great coach.

I don't see why Bud is any better of a candidate now than he was in 2015. Same flaws as he had before. He's now just two years older.

Many of us thought Bud was the best candidate in 2015, as well. But the point of this sub-thread is to wander down the rabbit hole and play what-if regarding Fuente departing at an inopportune time in the hiring cycle, as opposed to Beamer's departure. Starting a search so late in the game shrinks and dilutes Whit's candidate pool significantly. So even if you felt Bud was flawed 2 years ago, and that he hasn't improved on any of those flaws, he's more likely to be the best available candidate now than he was in 2015. I'd also argue that the extra two years of age are also in his favor. Bud, like Beamer is a legend here, and would be extremely difficult to fire if things stagnate or regress in the football program. His age makes an under-the-table "please retire so we don't have to fire you" arrangement a few years down the road much less conspicuous and allows all sides to save face.

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....and I'm saying it's not that late.

I wouldn't hire Bud Foster to be HC over Sumlin, Strong, Brohm, Venables, Morris or maybe even Norvell. In particular, I would buy stock in the futures of Venables and Brohm. And if you believe Whit's pursuit of Fuente last time, you don't need a list, you need the one guy you want.

Bud is who he is, a great, great, great coordinator. He will be 59 years old before we play a game next year. Every school in the region has considered him and they've all passed. I would put his name on a banner when he hangs it up, he deserves it. But he wouldn't be in my top 5 if we hired a coach right now like he wasn't last time. We were right last time not to hire him and I doubt Whit would do it unless it's really, really dire.

Out of curiosity, and perhaps this is answered elsewhere, why do people not consider Bud a top HC candidate?

I would say the fact that he's interviewed several times for the Big Whistle at several schools, including Clemson, and not a single one ever offered him the job means he's not a top HC candidate. And there's nothing wrong with that. Some guys are meant to be coordinators, and Bud Foster is one of the best damned coordinators out there, but they're just not cut out to run the whole show. I don't know whether Bud has the desire to recruit or the temperament to schmooze the way a head man is required to.

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Selfishly, I'd like to keep both Fuente and Foster in their current positions, as I think it's a dynamite combination for VT.

I'm just hoping Tennessee's nonsense doesn't create a domino effect that screws that up.

It's an unlikely scenario, but let's play the what-if game anyway.

Rumors say that Sumlin already has an agreement with AzState, so forget that one.

If Fu were to get poached late in the game, leaving VT in a tight spot with respect to finding a new HC, I have little doubt that we'd promote Bud. It seems like a no-brainer. The guy would have near-universal support from the fans, players, and administration. Plus, if the experiment does fail, he's old enough to orchestrate a well-timed, Beameresque not-at-all-forced-or-pressured retirement after a few years, which could leave us in a good position to hire a great replacement.

“You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
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