Tavante Beckett suspended

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And he is gone from the online roster already. So signs point to him being GONE.

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I've heard he's gone as well.

WTF happened?

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Yikes.

Uh, Dax Hollifield please?

I hope but.....

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Except the VT statement specifically says "suspended", not "dismissed"...

Sucks to hear, hoping the kid is ok and can get right...

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Sucks... hopefully he can come back. If he got arrested, I would have thought we would have heard about it by now? If not, typically these are marijuana or grades related - 95% of them are those two categories over the past 10 years or so.

Brutal stuff, hope no one got hurt. Only questions

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Man, that sucks. Does that mean Motu is guaranteed to get injured now?

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Hope he gets his shit together and returns. It does have that air of finality about it though.

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Thought he was doing ok last 2 years?

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I mean Motu has been starting now for a few years. #inbudwetrust

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That's obvious, since you blew his last name to smithereens.

Leonard. Duh.

Bwahaha...that's funny right there. !!

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I'm not big on "I see what you did there."

But... I do see what you did there.

Leonard. Duh.

He was ok against Purdue. We really don't have any other film because he has been hurt for spring games.

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If this suspension holds and he is in fact gone, do we see someone like Dylan Rivers move to Mike?

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I don't think so. He is being groomed to be the next backer.

Ashby is the next young guy in line. Very solid player. And of course, Dax would be one heck of a Mike. I like Beckett though. I hope this gets straightened out.

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The image isn't embedding correctly - basically, Bud thinks Beckett will be back (or is at least planning on it).

I saw a tweet saying Rivers may move to Mike, also.

Eh...

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If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

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Hint: Don't be a dealer if you're on the football team.

Obviously a true statement but we should let him have his day in court as well. I don't know VA law or how charges are filed well enough to comment but have heard that the amount in possession can potentially qualify as intent to sell.

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In all likelihood he just decided buying in bulk was cheaper and didn't think through what happens when you get caught

decided buying in bulk was cheaper

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From what I have heard/know from other people, I believe its anything more 1.5 oz in possession also counts as intent to distribute.

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Half ounce.

Maybe he thought he was in Colorado?

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I think you can tell a difference between Colorado and Virginia even if sarcastic

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Maybe he was REALLY high.

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Like, a mile high?

Sex on a plane or visiting Denver would have been a lot safer, career-wise.

Sex on a plane or while visiting Denver

Why not both?

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

The joke was that he may have been so high that he thought he was in Denver (mile high...) but I guess it fell flat...

Not even Tal Bachmann's girlfriend is that high.

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Whelp.

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Was the hearing held as scheduled? Any updates?

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WELL..............that will put a fork in it!

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Yeah, he needs to lawyer up. Bigly.

Why is he just getting suspended now? First offense was on 8/23.

Umm he may have sold product and not been arrested until later, and when they arrested him they found more thus the possession charge.

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? Wanted to make sure we got by WVU first? Kidding.

We may have seen the last of him.

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Important context.

Doesn't the weed thing trigger an expulsion from school on the first offense or is that not a thing anymore?

Not automatically.

https://hokiehandbook.vt.edu/policies/code-of-conduct.html

Illegally possessing, using, manufacturing, possessing with intent to manufacture, selling, dispensing, or distributing any substance controlled under state or federal law is prohibited. Possession of used or unused drug paraphernalia is also prohibited (unless there is a documented medical need).
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Students can be suspended or dismissed from the university for a first offense.

(emphasis mine)

Damn, I have to assume though that a felony charge would make that a "will be" rather than a "can be."

Dude on my hall in Vawter was caught multiple times with weed. Never got suspended. If they do enforce it, I guess it's on a case by case basis.

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I'm sorry, but this is just boneheaded level stupid. You're on scholarship to play football. No matter your attitude towards weed, the fact remains that it's illegal, and you know possessing with intent to distribute is seriously illegal and will get you thrown off the team and out of school and likely in jail. Incredibly disappointing and dumb for someone in his position.

http://www.roanoke.com/hokies/sports/football/suspended-virginia-tech-lb...

Here is the Bitter Article:

The Big issue is intent to distribute-

The conspiracy to distribute charge is a Class 5 felony, which triggers an automatic suspension until it is resolved, per Virginia Tech athletic department policy. The possession charge is a misdemeanor.

I'm wondering if the guy just was trying to share with his buddies or thinking that he got a lot just to keep it. I hope he can turn things around and come back to the team.

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I'll avoid the politics part of this, but I did find it interesting that Touchdown Tommy had doctors tell him marijuana may have saved his life, keeping his brain from swelling too much from the hits he took. With its legalization in several states, and medical legalization in others, maybe NCAA & schools need to rethink its rules on marijuana.

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What's there to rethink? As far as recreational usage goes, it's still illegal in 42 states - including Virginia. Distribution outside of a state-approved agency? Illegal in all 50.

Technically it is still illegal for all uses in all 50 states. It is against Federal law to use it.

Apparently several people thought there was plenty to rethink, otherwise the 42 number you reference would be 50.

Marijuana is the baby stuff anyway

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Not condoning, but without knowing the PC for the charges, the possession and separate conspiracy to distribute aren't the worst possible charges for him to receive (said with a shrug and grimace). He's not being charged with "intent" to distribute; he's only charged with the distribution. The PWID/Distribution code (18.2-248.1) covers "gifts" of marijuana as well so take it for what it's worth. Further, he's only being charged with conspiring to distribute, which could mean any number of possible scenarios (e.g. being in a vehicle with someone else that's distributing even though you didn't actually touch the stuff or give it to anyone is enough to charge you with the conspiracy). The charging level equates to the amount allegedly distributed (greater than 1/2 oz, but not greater than 5lbs).

Either way, it's a shit situation. I hope this is resolved positively in his favor, but without him returning to the team.

but without him returning to the team

I'd prefer we support young entrepreneurs.

But in all seriousness, I have a hard time getting upset about anything marijuana related. As long as the coaches maintain a zero tolerance policy for violent crimes/sexual assault, and no players are repeat offenders for other non-violent crimes, I can still root for our team, coaches and players.

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ironic that this thread was started by HammerTime, which is what'll happen to his football career at VT in all likelihood. pity.

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I guess BUD isn't to HIGH on this kid...

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to put it bluntly

It can be a chronic issue.

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He's prob asking himself how he can get back on the right track....

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My favorite part about that skit is how David Spade basically spends the entire time trying not to lose it

That team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

Is he the only player implicated? Just curious if any other players at risk of disciplinary action. I'll be honest, I didn't read the entire thread so maybe it's up there.

Oh god.... I'm hearing there is more bad news. F*&% SH*%

You cant just make this comment and give us no direction in what you mean exactly by more bad news !!!!

I don't want to be the first to make this public. But it's a defensive back. 2 games.

As in this weekend and ODU?

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I heard this too.

No idea who, but one already has a strike against him.

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Yeah...

We could just use the court online records to look them up.

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I've tried every DB's last name in Montgomery county and can't find anyone yet.

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May have been in-house...

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Did you try Christiansburg and Blacksburg?

Aren't they both in Montgomery county?

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Yes. You can find Beckett's info by searching Christiansburg but not Blacksburg. Jurisdictionally they're different for charging town ordinances and such. Obviously he's charged with state violations but you get the idea.

There was no charges or arrest in this particular instance

Well?

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Heard similar, but if that's the extent of the punishment then it doesn't sound like a very big deal

Is his full name Reginald?

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No.

Doesn't Adonis have one strike already?

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Yes, yes he does.

Yes, Adonnis has an infraction and suspension for weed..........I believe he and Gaines both got popped. I get that these guys are young but getting involved with drugs when the world is their oyster is just dumb. Hope they learn from this and the rest of the team fully understands the implications. Go Hokies, Beat the AssPirates!

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Didn't Adonis and Houshon get busted for Marijuana possesion around this time last year?

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They did. I believe they were just in possession though. Beckett has a intent to distribute charge. Which is a big "F". I too had the same charge when in college playing ball.
Eventually I got kicked off the team, was still admitted in school though I was on probation with the state and the school I attended.

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So if someone else was getting axed for a couple of games; wouldn't there have been an announcement by now?

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Because it wasn't the result of a criminal charge. That's why I was hesitant to say too much as the first one to post anything, and before the "reasoning" was given by the coaches.

I think the announcement would've been on game day had it been a home game this week. But since the team had to travel, it was announced when the buses were being loaded up. At that point, they had to release an official statement.

I'm sure he knows he didn't make a good decision. Let's not rag him for it guys. He is still a hokie. As a nation we must stand by him and leave encouragement here on the board so he can build off that. It's very hard for young men to bounce back after something like this. The negativity will make most run away from it.

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I'll put a slightly different spin on this.

Few of us can say that we made it through college (or heck our mid 20's whether we made it through college or not), without making some decisions that would have landed us in a similar position, but we were lucky and didn't get caught. I'm not looking for people to "confess their sins", just acknowledge that you weren't an angel between the ages of 18 and 25. Only diff is that this kid got caught.

Note that I don't mean behaviors like sexual assault, rape, armed robbery or other forms of violence.

Indeed, he is a good kid like the rest of them so I hope he can recover and get back to school and football. We all make mistakes!

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agree with the above. not the smartest move. but its his first offense. lets hope he learned is lesson and it gets his head on straight. people that make mistakes know they made them lets help him not make them again. we got ya fam get it right and lets roll!

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tevantes court date was yesterday. he was cleared of all charges. not sure what this means for his football future at VT but good news for him just the same. hope to see him back on the field if not at VT somewhere. good kid. made a mistake. learned from it.

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I understood it as not so much cleared as dropped to possession with option to be cleared after completing 100 hrs community service.

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OTW to being cleared. one would hope he doesn't let 100hrs of community service doesn't get in the way of him getting his life back on track. that's a small price to pay vs the alternative of what could have been.

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Glad the kid is going to have a 2nd chance. May he make the most of it, wherever his path leads.

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most kids caught with weed in VA usually have the option to do community service, probation or drug court if it is the first time.

Most just don't learn and this is why you don't hear of all the ones that do make it.

Glad to hear the kid will be inevitably cleared of all charges by our justice system.

Now if only that inconsistent, power hungry excuse for an (in)justice system that we call the Virginia Tech Student Conduct court could take the law's ruling and not create their own.. That court is a true parody of integrity and impartiality.

The faculty and the assembled students who so willingly judge their peers, have no place at my home, my table or my tailgate! To those folks, I channel my inner Silky Johnson and say "I hope all the bad things in life happen to you and nobody else but you."

The Student Conduct 'Court' and the students that choose to participate are literally the things I hate most about Virginia Tech.

I don't understand at all how the school can knowingly give essentially control over another's future to a non-legal entity made up by power-hungry students who likely don't know how to make a mature decision.

Thanks for the reply. I agree with your point wholeheartedly. It is what I hate most about Virginia Tech. Many other schools are complicit and I think they are so very wrong to do so.

Court records show a plead of not guilty and deferred disposition

Most likely a first offender on possession. 1 year with no issues, drug testing monthly, and a community service requirement and it's off your record.

And if he was driving when he was found with marijuana they have to suspend his license for six months. As of July 1 of this year, if he wasn't driving the judge has discretion to suspend his license if he wants.

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But if he does re-enroll and make it back on to the team, it will be as walk-on. Is that right?

As I understand it, yes. He'll have to see if the numbers work out and the coaches think he's put forth the effort to earn a scholarship again.

I think I might be the high one. I just read this entire thread thinking it was just happening.......didn't realize it was over 2 months old lol.

I've seen two twitter posts that say Beckett has been expelled from school by the student conduct committee, the same one that expelled Reavis. Anyone have concrete information on this?

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Might have been caught cheating on a Winter Session final, those committees are absolutely awful though.

Uh? This expulsion was/is related to his arrest.

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The timing is way off then, didn't think this was related to a dropped charge over a month ago. He might have re-enrolled for Winter Session is all

Winter Session? That's only like 3 weeks to cram some learning in... what will they think of next.

He was suspended for fall semester by the Student Conduct Committee for the weed situation - maybe that was extended to a permanent ban after his court case was resolved? Maybe he did something else since then?

*shrug*

Charge was reduced, not dropped- huge difference

Power can be extraordinarily corrupting and I am not a fan of allowing students the power to expel other students. I am as stoutly against this as you can possibly be. As someone who was recently in college, that is the worst demographic to give lots of power and expect it to be handled maturely and carefully.

I'm torn. In high school at Benedictine I sat on be Honor Court and was it's Captian my senior year. We had the power to expel or suspend students found guilty by the student court of violating the honor code.
I think during my four years we expelled 3-5 students for various offenses. Only 1 was his first time before the court. So I think having a student board with that power is fine but it should be strict guidelines and narrowly focused.

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Holy crap. If they had something like that at my high school, I would have held $1000 a plate fundraisers, shook babies and kissed hands like a mofo to get that kind of power. Then after ascending to power, my reign of terror would be something glorious to behold.

Leonard. Duh.

Nine member court so one person can't do that.

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They were probably saying stuff like that in Germany, circa 1935.

Leonard. Duh.

And they were right. It took the an entire elected assembly of people to vote in the changes.

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Yeah, right, whatever...

committee members = my puppets.

Leonard. Duh.

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I mean, you would need a "right hand man"

"College is a time to learn who you are," but you select students, you so clearly know who you are already. Therefore, so we grant you the power to decide other students' future.

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Just to clear something up - student conduct hearings may be heard by a conduct administration professional (faculty) or by a student conduct committee. Those committees are advised by faculty members through the whole process. So a single student, or even a group of students, does not really have the ability of going on a power trip and annihilating anyone they don't like. There is oversight.

so you're saying it would take a group of high and mighty students AND some faculty to screw someone over with no recourse. Got it.

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There is an appeal process.

For the record, I am not arguing that this system is perfect. Just trying to clear up any misconceptions that there is some omnipotent board of students who can secretly kick out other students for no good reason and without oversight. The Dean of Students also offers professional advisors for all student conduct cases, so while there are no lawyers involved (for either side), evidence can be presented in one's defense, and there are resources available.

Interesting, and thanks for the information. It will be interesting to see where all these "honor courts" end up. About a year ago (and I'm too lazy to go find the links right now) I read some articles about a few universities who were in litigation over the actions their honor courts made and it was truly astounding how one-sided these often are. In some of these cases the defendant was not only refused any type of counsel, but also was not allowed to confront their accuser in "court" to defend themselves. I'm all for victims rights in these cases, but come on. Regardless of who is actually doing the "judging" there's no possible way it isn't a charade if the defendant can't even argue the merits of their case.

I'm all for fairness, but attending Virginia Tech or any school is a privilege and there are rules and a code of conduct. Agree or disagree, these are not "courts of law", thus that whole mindset can not be applied. Again- I'm all for "fairness", but it's not illegal to get a 1.2 GPA, but you can get kicked out of VT for that. The student code of conduct is not a 1-1 match to the US or VA criminal code, keep that in mind. Beckett had his day in court, and the judge made his ruling- he had a lawyer, due process, etc. The VT conduct board is entirely different and not subject to the same "rules".

It is still a State school that is Federally funded. It is not a private club. Due process is a right of citizens and no State institution has the privilege to take them away. If someone takes it all the way, they will win.

There was due process. Reavis/Beckett and some others just disagree with the ruling from the board.

the defendant was not only refused any type of counsel, but also was not allowed to confront their accuser in "court" to defend themselves.

Doesn't look or sound like due process.

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Just be clear since you quoted my comment, I do not know that those examples exist at Virginia Tech. I have seen court records from students who were expelled from other Universities and sued over those types of issues. In those cases, the universities were so afraid to offend/mentally strain the victim that the defendant was not allowed to rebut the claims against them. That's unfair and is arguably against the law. Ironically, most of these suits cite Title IX. In the same way that the federal government told schools they would cut funding for not taking steps to end sexual assault on campus (mostly against women, thereby turning it into a Title IX case), these lawyers are turning it around and saying you also can't give unfair advantages in the hearings to the victims (the defendants are usually male, so also Title IX).

Mostly what I'm saying is that I have no idea if the cases at VT qualify as due process or not because no one has sued VT so the inner workings of the system there have not come to light. I hope it's fair, but a lot of these same honor courts at other universities definitely are not. If the information about text messages in Reavis' case mentioned elsewhere on the board is true, my opinion would be that it is not fair and not in keeping with due process. My overall opinion is that the entire system is too shrouded in secrecy for my liking, especially when similar setups at other universities have clearly been shown to be shams where an accused is guilty before the process even starts.

Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer and everything above is my understanding of various articles I've read on the subject. I know there are many Hokie Lawyers on the boards and I'd be fascinated to hear their perspective and whether I'm interpreting it correctly or not.

Oversight or not, this committee is fucking with these kids. I'm still a little pissed about Reavis.

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They are encouraged to hand out strict punishments. These kids aren't being put on a disciplinary committee so that they can let students off the hook. This is simply a way for the University to direct blame away from themselves. They can play the "This decision was made by your fellow students" card and wash their hands of it. It is messed up.

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As a sophomore in college, I agree. A lot of kids' futures are determined by kids the same age as them (yes, I still see myself as a kid). Every college student fucks up one way or another at some point in their college years. Some are more serious than others obviously and don't make its way to any court, but I still believe a kid's future shouldn't be drastically altered by a mistake that doesn't do a lot of harm. If this is about what Beckett was originally suspended for, the student court should not have the power to expel him. Same with Reavis, same with anyone else.

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Getting booted out of VT is not ruining anyone's "future". There are hundreds of other schools they can apply to, and even if you choose not to finish college, your "future" is not ruined. It's a privilege to go to VT, and there is a clear code of conduct. Selling dope and possessing weapons is not something that is tolerated at VT, and they ruled accordingly. If him getting booted out of VT ruins his whole "future" that is a Beckett problem, not a VT one.

I said "drastically altered," not ruined. Take Reavis for example: as a freshman in 2014, he provided depth in the defensive backfield, had that huge punt block against UVA, and was going to be the starting rover in the 2015 season after an awesome spring game. Then, he ends up at Marshall after getting kicked out of VT by the student court after the charges were dismissed in actual court. Less publicity at Marshall, less talent around him, less opportunity. While his career wasn't ruined, I have a feeling his draft stock might be much higher if he was still at VT.

In regards to Beckett, I saw nothing mentioning the possession of a firearm. Unless you were using it hypothetically, I'm not sure how that relates to his situation, unless you've seen something that I haven't. Beckett isn't the only college kid who sells weed, and that's putting it lightly. He was caught, charged, expelled, had those charges reduced and as a result was allowed back in school, and then supposedly gets kicked out by the same student court who did Reavis wrong according to a lot of people with knowledge of the situation. Does he not deserve a second chance?

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Because a lot of VT students sell dope (I'm not sure its a significant number but not here to argue that) does not mean it's not against the student code of conduct. I'm sure students cheat on exams too, but you do that in the VTCC and you are booted quicker than you can say Hokie. In terms of Reavis, he obviously did "something" wrong to even be in front of that committee and have his dismissal approved by the school. If not, he would have sued them. Just because you think expulsion is too harsh a punishment doesn't mean 1. These guys did "nothing wrong" and 2. VT is bound by VA or US criminal code ONLY- both of those are false. The VT code of student conduct is not the same thing as the conduct/crimes/charges ruled on by a state court- it's simply not, so arguing that Beckett and Reavis were not convicted in court or didn't get due process is meaningless. If you think it sucks that Beckett got booted for selling weed or Reavis was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, then lobby the VT board of visitors to change the student code of conduct. Placing the blame on a committee simply upholding VTs conduct rules is the wrong blame, IMO.

Because a lot of VT students sell dope (I'm not sure its a significant number but not here to argue that) does not mean it's not against the student code of conduct. I'm sure students cheat on exams too

Selling dope doesn't mean the person lacks morals, integrity or is a bad person, hence everyone's dismissal and frustration.

I'm sure students cheat on exams too, but you do that in the VTCC and you are booted quicker than you can say Hokie.

VTCC is held to a higher standard than the rest of the student body due to their relationship with the military. Not sure how that is relevant here.

In terms of Reavis, he obviously did "something" wrong to even be in front of that committee and have his dismissal approved by the school. If not, he would have sued them. Just because you think expulsion is too harsh a punishment doesn't mean 1. These guys did "nothing wrong" and 2. VT is bound by VA or US criminal code ONLY- both of those are false.

If I recall, Reavis was accused of sexual misconduct. However, there were text messages from both before and after the event that proved/suggested that the act was consensual. These text message were no permissible in the student conduct hearing, but were considered by police. I admit that this is the rumor, and not an official statement, but if it's true, no student should get kicked out of school for having consensual sex.

The VT code of student conduct is not the same thing as the conduct/crimes/charges ruled on by a state court- it's simply not, so arguing that Beckett and Reavis were not convicted in court or didn't get due process is meaningless.

It is frustrating to not understand the specifics of the courts ruling. If Reavis/Beckett don't want the results released, that's one thing, but it's frustrating to see a young adult's future potentially ruined over a non-malicious action. It's also fair to question if the 'jurors' on the student conduct board are really fit for this job. As a student, or an alumni, do we really have any say on these matters? Should we? That's a different argument, but I'd like to think so.

If you think it sucks that Beckett got booted for selling weed or Reavis was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, then lobby the VT board of visitors to change the student code of conduct.

This answers my above question, but I maintain that, without knowing exactly what happened, we can't really question the student code of conduct.

Placing the blame on a committee simply upholding VTs conduct rules is the wrong blame, IMO.

My one counterpoint to this - if the committee makes a mistake, or misinterprets the code of conduct, are they being held responsible? Are there checks/balances built into the system? Is there an opportunity to appeal? I genuinely do not know these things, but it sounds to me like there is one hearing, and no option for a second chance at VT.

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"Selling dope doesn't mean the person lacks morals, integrity or is a bad person"..lol- OK right , it means they sell an illegal substance on campus though- which in Virginia is illegal. Knowingly engaging in illegal activity- whether you agree it should be illegal or not- IS an indication of ones character.

Knowingly engaging in illegal activity- whether you agree it should be illegal or not- IS an indication of ones character.

So everyone who has ever gone above the speed limit while driving or drank underage, or worn a sleeveless shirt inside a Baltimore City park (yes, this is illegal, google it) has character issues? Come on. This kid wasn't putting anyone in danger or a disadvantageous situation. I expect our Code of Conduct committee to understand that.

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Nope.. speeding is not the same as selling dope on campus... sorry

We should probably steer this convo in a different direction, lest we want the mods shutting shit down

Agree. These sub-threads have come up before, and they always devolve into meta "why are we doing this?" posts or people's deeply held beliefs, either religious or political. Let's not start down that road.

Edit - Just responded and didn't read comment below by mod.

But whoever upvoted thanks g.

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I might agree with the sentiment, but I can not up vote a T(homas) J(efferson) quote.

That whole Reavis situation pisses me off on so many levels. Cost us 3 good players over one girl.

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Is Melvin Keihn a "good player"? and who was the third?

when a former player's girlfriend gets another former player kicked out of school, it's not a good idea to date her, even if you are the only RB on the roster to post a 1000 yard season. Could make the locker room situation unbearable enough to transfer.

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Not that confusing if you connect the dots.

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This is how goes when I connect the dots...

Holy hell! If what you're implying is true, that is one toxic female.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
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the whole situation is stupid.

What's worst of all is that the student council would not admit into evidence the text messages from the girl proving the consensual nature of the relations because of protections for the victim in the case. I'm all for protecting the victim, but if you are the body handing down judgement based on the alleged victim's account and you choose to ignore her own words that contradict said account, then you're doing it wrong. This is why CJ's lawyer said a DA wouldn't touch it with a 10 ft pole.

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I heard all of that before, but had no clue that she was tied to McMillian transferring.

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- The BoD

I mean, if I'm Travon, I'd be considering transferring anyway given the precipitous drop in playing time, but apparently, he made the dumbass decision to get involved with the female in question and became persona non grata in the locker room because of it. I can see choosing a girl over your team MAYBE, but not if there's a good chance you're just her football player of the week.

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True that.

Someone needs to school Travon on the wise teachings of BBD. Never trust a big butt and a smile.

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- The BoD

As somebody out of the loop who thought all of these were unrelated circumstances, would you mind starting from the top and connecting the dots for us slower TKP'ers?

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If I understand all of this right, allegedly (since the only way we'll know for sure is a court order or for one or all of the parties involved to permit VT to release the information):

* C.J. Reavis was dating a young woman who, in 2015, may have accused him of sexual misconduct which brought him before the student conduct court

* Said misconduct may have actually been consensual but the conduct court didn't permit the evidence (text messages) in order to protect the victim

* Reavis was kicked out of school and his appeal of the decision was denied

* Travon McMillian began dating the young woman in question

* Dating someone who got a teammate kicked out of school for something he wasn't guilty of may have soured the rest of the locker room toward T-Mac, which may be part of the reason for his transfer combined with playing time due to how Fuente rotates backs and T-Mac's fumbling issues.

That was a pretty good recap of the incident.

partially true. The following is what I heard from someone with access to various players and should be taken with a grain of salt (as in, it's only the side of the story that the players report and I'm sure the other side would tell it different).

  • Melvin Keihn dates girl.
  • Said girl has various side, um, attachments, including CJ. First 2 life lessons: don't date a promiscuous woman and don't mess with your teammate's girl.
  • Girl has CJ set up a specific type of party where attendees enjoy themselves with various other attendees. Entire planning process is documented via text. Lesson #3: if someone is twisting your arm to do something sketchy, don't do it or at least document their involvement.
  • After the party, Melvin finds out and confronts girl.
  • Girl claims she was coerced and forced upon rather than owning up. The issue is taken up with authorities (as should any alleged sexual assault).
  • When faced with accusations in a formal manner, CJ produces text conversations detailing the relationship and said incident, showing that the girl is the instigator and willing participant.
  • Text conversations are disregarded by student council, but serve as sufficient evidence for refusal to pursue prosecution by DA.
  • CJ gets kicked out of school by student council.
  • Melvin is blackballed by the rest of the team and transfers.
  • Two years later... Travon dates girl in question.
  • Team turns on Travon. Combined with his reduced playing time, it is enough to make him skip bowl and transfer.

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“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

Huh. I talked to Travon and, I assume, this girl a lot the couple times they came to Breakzone. Odd.

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OK so this has absolutely nothing to do with Shai Mckenzie's issue. Thanks for the alleged deets. This girl must really be something.

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don't date a promiscuous woman

Hey now. Nothing wrong with a promiscuous woman. Just don't expect a serious relationship with anyone that isn't serious with you.

Youths these days....never learn from the past

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“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

Gonna go ahead and say drink on that one.

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There is an appeals process. The conduct court is not a court of law in any means. It is there to decide if a code of conduct was broken. It's there to uphold the integrity of the academic institution. They can't take away your rights, so due process isn't a standard that needs to be upheld. The basis of the decision is simply this:

"Was a code of conduct breached? If so, is the integrity of the institution still in tact should this person be allowed to stay?"

That's it. The standard is a preponderance of the evidence (aka 51% chance based on evidence that a violation happened)

It may not be as fair to athletes, unfortunately, because part of the question then becomes, "If we let this person stay, it can be viewed that this person is getting off easy because he's a good football player." Hence, the integrity of the institution is at stake because it can be viewed that they're going easy on him. The other thing, if this was truly about some form of sexual misconduct, the university is going to be very wary of perceptions. Remember how people felt about Jameis Winston and his whole sexual misconduct thing, and the uproar over the Rolling Stone magazine article (even though the story was false). The inkling that VT is protecting a football player costs integrity of the institution.

It's fair enough to be upset by the situation as you see it. But separate the fact that they're football players and you feel like it cost us a couple recruits. Would you be getting as upset about the situation if you read about John Q. Hokie getting expelled? Would it feel fair/unfair, or would you not even care about it?

Not knowing anything about the case but what has been posted, there isn't anything to charge the person on in a criminal case. But like someone else said, there had to have been some honor code violation, and any texts must not have been pertinent to the violation.

That being said, there is an appeals process, but I'm not sure people really understand what that means in terms of the honor code court, or even real court. The appeal is only on the procedure, not retrying the case. Based on what has been said, the appeal could be that all the evidence wasn't considered. However, the review of it would be whether the evidence is necessary to have all the information for the particular violation.

Thanks for the explanation! Your comments about perception are valid points that I don't think anyone else has brought up. It's definite a fair point...

But separate the fact that they're football players and you feel like it cost us a couple recruits. Would you be getting as upset about the situation if you read about John Q. Hokie getting expelled? Would it feel fair/unfair, or would you not even care about it?

Honestly, yes I do care about it. Because this absolutely could have been be me or one of my friends when we were in school. It's reminds me of the cop who just camps out downtown waiting for a drunk kid who stumbles out of the bars alone so he can give that kid a drunk in public. Yes it's 'by the book' but does it really make the university a better place?

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Saw the mod downstream. my bad.

Old sigline: I've been cutting back on the drinking.

New Sigline: lol it's football season.

Possessing weapons is allowed. Tech PD actually lets you check your guns in there for free

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Since when? Last I knew, every public school in Virginia is a gun free zone.

Long, long ago, I kept my shotgun at the VTPD. Only went hunting once that I recall, and I can barely recall details, but I do remember going and getting the shotgun the night before and bringing it back the day after hunting. Had it in my dorm room for the short times between the PD and never even gave it a thought. Guess I could've gone to jail for that, huh?

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It's a similar situation to what it was a few years ago on military bases (I think it might have changed right after I got out due to the shooting in Tennessee). You can have a personally owned firearm on base, you just have to get the permission of your CO and then it goes straight into the unit's armory. You cannot keep it in your barracks room or on your person.

FYI, that was the case looong before that shooting.

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- The BoD

Correct, I thought maybe it had been updated SINCE the shooting to allow service members to carry on base regularly. I know there was talk of that, but never paid enough attention to see if it ever went that way (personally I think it would be a terrible decision).

Not sure. That was all after I got out. I think certain states were pushing it, but I don't think it took off throughout DOD. Uncle Sam doesn't like Joe to play with bang bangs unsupervised.

Anyone still in that can give an update?

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- The BoD

Navy policy (maybe all DoD?) changed last fall so that commands have discretion on carrying personal firearms. I know of precisely zero commands that have actually authorized it.

I know of precisely zero commands that have actually authorized it.

Well, that's not surprising.

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- The BoD

It doesn't make sense to me that students would vote to expel another student like that especially just for weed.

Who tf is the school giving this power? The former homeschooled and teacher's kids?

Weed is illegal. That is breaking the law.

So is underage drinking. Should every student who's not 21 yet be kicked out by other fellow students (some of which might have also drank underage at some point)?

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Then he should be punished by the law

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Possession of illicit substances on grounds, having alcohol in your room if you're under 21, breaking laws in general, are considered honor code violations. When you sign on to attend school at Virginia Tech, and most other institutions, you agree to not only abide by the honor code, but uphold the honor code. Violation of that honor can end in dismissal from the school. The code is written in every curriculum, and on most assignments/exams. They discuss it in orientation. All the questions are here.

In response to who is giving the students the power:

VII. B. HEARING PANELS
The formal hearing panels will be drawn from two groups: students and faculty.
VII. B. 1. Student Panel Members
The Undergraduate Honor System shall maintain a list of undergraduate students who have volunteered to serve as hearing panel members. To be eligible, students must have completed one semester at Virginia Tech, not have been found responsible for an Undergraduate Honor Code violation, and be in good standing both academically and with the Office of Student Conduct.
VII. B. 2. Faculty Panel Members
The Undergraduate Honor System shall maintain a list of eligible instructional faculty whose names have been submitted by the Dean of each college.
Undergraduate Honor Code- Virginia Tech Page 32
VII. C. CASE FACILITATORS
The Undergraduate Honor System shall maintain a list of eligible faculty and students who have volunteered to assist during the Faculty-Student Resolution Process as well as serve as a resource for students and faculty who are participating in an Undergraduate Honor System hearing.
During the Faculty-Student Resolution Process, a Case Facilitator will serve as a neutral party to explain the Undergraduate Honor System process, ensure fairness, and facilitate meetings designed to resolve cases of alleged academic misconduct. Case Facilitators will also be available upon request to explain the hearing process and assist with preparation for those who have an upcoming hearing.

There's a selection process of those who volunteer, and they have to be in good standing. The Virginia Tech system has been adopted from multiple school's honor systems. I could post the procedure for the hearings and the appeals process as well, if you would like.

Everyone here knows there is a code of conduct, everyone here knows that this board hears cases that are approved by the administration and there is an appeal process. Everyone here knows that possessing weed on campus and distributing marijuana is illegal and forbidden by the student code of conduct. Everyone on here knows that sexual misconduct is also illegal and forbidden by the code of student conduct. Everyone on here knows that Virginia Tech's code of student conduct is not the same thing as the virginia criminal code. Everyone knows these things.

What people are arguing is that despite all of the above being true, it sucks that CJ Reavis and Beckett got kicked out of school- that is what they are arguing. To make that argument they are bringing up points such as most kids deal dope, CJ's accuser is a liar, the committee is unqualified and has no check and balances, this ruins their lives, the text messages would have exonerated CJ, etc etc. The bottom line remains that the code of conduct is clear, the committee acted in accordance with their authority, there is an appeals process, and the final say on expulsion comes from the administration approving the committee's ruling. That's the bottom line. Life might suck and be unfair, and most VT students might deal dope and get wrapped up with crazy, lying girls and never get caught, but the facts remain regarding the committee's authority and action.

The biggest issue is the fact that Reavis was not allowed to present any kind of defense during the proceedings and while there is an appeals process it is not automatic as Reavis was denied an appeal.

Speaking to the fact of no defense being presented, people are confusing the honor court with a court of law. The court of law is set up to be adversarial in nature: Prosecution presents evidence and argues for "guilty"; defense presents evidence and argues "not guilty". Courts of law don't argue for innocence.

Honor courts are typically educational and informational in nature. In most, the panel either directly talks to everyone involved with the case (accused, victim, person reporting the breach of conduct, anyone who might have been witness to the breach of conduct) or reads testimony that their investigator wrote based on such interviews. In honor courts, the person accused of breaching the code of conduct may or may not be present depending on how the court is set up. Once the "evidence" is reviewed, there is a vote on whether or not there is a breach of the code by simple majority (I think VT has 3 students and 2 faculty on the voting panel, so any 3 are all that is needed to say yes), and then the "punishment" is decided upon based on how major the breach is.

Honor courts, because they can not put you in prison, or force you to pay fines, or really take any "rights" away, aren't held to the standard of the Constitution. They don't have to be. They are not legal proceedings in the way people might think they are.

I get it's confusing and upsetting thinking that they should be held to the same standard, but again, the most they can do is say you can't attend the school anymore. If schools had prisons, had fines to pay, or forced community service based on honor code violations, then they would be considered a "legal" system and be forced to abide by Constitutional rights.

Regardless of legal standing, they got it wrong. If a guy was accused of some sort of sexual misconduct that clearly didn't happen, he didn't actually violate any 'Honor Code,' and therefore shouldn't have even been in the position he was in.

'Defense' in this case is nothing more than allowing him to offer supporting documentation that the allegations were false. Punishing someone based on accusation alone is the issue everyone is upset about - not as much whether this did or didn't follow the exact letter of the law.

Yes, people feel he got shafted. I get that. But people are also stating he got shafted for this reason or that reason seeming to think that he got legally screwed because his rights were violated, and he should sue the school or the honor court. I'm simply pointing out that his rights weren't violated because the honor court isn't the same as a court of law. I'm not saying he didn't get shafted by the honor court, which you seem to think I am saying.

You're arguing he should have been able to present a "defense" and I'm saying that there isn't a procedure for presenting a "defense" or "evidence in defense" because that isn't how the honor court works. That's it. Simple statement. Perhaps that doesn't assuage your feeling of him getting shafted by the system, or feeling that students are given too much power over other students, but it's not meant to. It is a system based on many other systems which isn't perfect. But the students don't have all the power in the system, and there's a faculty member that can override any panel decision if they feel it wasn't handled procedurally correctly. That faculty member is appointed by senior administrative staff.

The first step to changing any system is understanding how that system works. If you have a problem with it, research it, and research possible solutions to the problems you find, then find the people to whom you can talk about said problems. It's a lot better than complaining that the system is broken without understanding why.

He didn't "get screws and have his rights violated." He didn't do anything wrong to begin with. What you're defending is a system that takes nothing more than an accusation to levy a (significant) punishment. The Honor Court is overstepping all sorts of bounds.

The first step to changing any system is understanding how that system works. If you have a problem with it, research it, and research possible solutions to the problems you find, then find the people to whom you can talk about said problems. It's a lot better than complaining that the system is broken without understanding why

This reads very snarky. My 'solution' is to do away with it entirely. It seems to do much more harm than good.

You really think they do more harm than good? Seems like a pretty extreme hot take.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

You speak with the resolve of a person who was slighted by the system. If that is the case, I am truly sorry you had to experience the worst part of the system. As I've said before, it isn't perfect, no system is, but removing it is no solution, making it better is.

Would be great if someone could clear this up. Paging Andy Bitter.

I haven't seen it officially anywhere but I keep reading on the Twitters that he's headed to Marshall.

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ah yes, Marshall, "Second Chance U" as it were.

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Hell yeah!

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he posted the other day on his snapchat that "wherever i go im going to wear #4 again" i don't think hes made a decision yet. i do know hes been out getting those service hours in and he has not been back at VT since his initial charge.

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If true that in the Reavis case there were text messages that were exculpatory in nature that were withheld, how 'honorable' is that? Isn't the goal supposed to be truth, the *whole* truth and nothing but the truth?

Their goal isn't honor, it's mitigating any bad press or image for the school.

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Yep. Unfortunately a product of 4/16 is that the university is extremely sensitive to negative press. VT is extremely strict on Greek life compared to other schools that fit a similar profile, generally punish students based on criminal charges rather than the results of a court case (even if the incident was completely off campus), and work very closely with Blacksburg PD to make a conscious effort to keep drunk students off the streets. The amount of friends that I had in college that got arrested simply for walking home from downtown is absurd.

As it relates to football, there were actually a couple of recruits that were turned off by the stories they heard from the current players while on their visits.

...at least we're not Baylor? (just trying to find a silver lining here)

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I walked back to campus from downtown drunk almost every Friday and Saturday night back when I went there. I was never approached by any policeman. Lots have changed.

It's been my experience with BPD, both as a patron of downtown and a bouncer, that they generally leave you alone if you are in a group (as long as you are not causing trouble), but when you're alone they scoop you up. It actually makes a lot sense from a safety standpoint. As much as the DIP sucked, they honestly did me a favor the night they scooped me up.

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Yep. General rule of thumb when I was there too. From a liability standpoint I get it, because if a police officer picks you up and drops you off at home or at the dorms and you fall or throw up in your sleep or something, they and the school to a certain extent are liable. And that goes tenfold if you are underage.

This is spot on

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Shoot, my freshman year in '01, on the walk back from a party, my buddy knocked on a cops window and asked for a ride back to campus. Cops response, "I'll give you a ride, but it won't be to campus", then he laughed, and we briskly walked away.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

They got me for 2 DIP's. One was probably justified, but the other I was just walking home from Terrace View to University Terrace (right next to each other). The VASAP class teacher said me being in that class undermines everything he's trying to teach the DUI people. The honor court also tried to get me expelled until their adviser stepped in.

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The honor court also tried to get me expelled until their adviser stepped in.

Clearly you didn't play football for tech.

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Damn, they got you going from TV to UT? That's just shitty.

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- The BoD

Campus PD might be worse. A buddy of mine's girlfriend got a ticket because she was sitting on his lap in the passenger seat while in a sober driver's car going from downtown to Oak Lane.

Unrestrained person in a car and you think that's a bad ticket?

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You can be unrestrained in the back or the bed. Just not the driver/passenger seats.

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You can be unrestrained in...the bed

Not according to the VT Student Conduct Council

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Not if your under 18.

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I got pulled over after my sister's graduation from VT this past spring for my sister, in cap and gown still as we are heading downtown for dinner post-ceremony, not being restrained in the back seat. Was asked if I knew why I was pulled over, to which I implied I don't, and was told her being unrestrained in the back seat constituted reckless driving. Took my license but basically just looked at it behind the car and gave it back. Everyone in the car was over 21, much less 18, and my wife sitting in the passenger seat is an attorney. Got off with a "warning" but was forced to leave someone standing on the side of the road before I could go. Had to leave my parents standing on the sidewalk while I shuttled my wife, sister, and her boyfriend downtown. Was stunned I got pulled over and had to ditch someone on the sidewalk for something that is not even remotely against the law, much less "reckless driving."

Sorry forgot to clarify what kind of ticket. She got a minor in possession because she was 20 at the time. Got pulled over for being in his lap but then got an MIP once the officer pulled them over, checked her ID, and determined that she had been drinking despite not having anything on her. I understand that it's technically the law but in most scenarios outside of Blacksburg, she would be allowed to go home with nothing more than a minor traffic ticket for being unsecured. Just an example of how struck BPD is.

Meh, can't say I agree with your argument. Just because they write a ticket for something that is in fact going on, doesn't mean they're dicks. I think as a whole BPD is pretty damned easy-going considering they deal with dumbass drunk kids all the time. I know of one person in BPD that I have direct knowledge and proof of them being a gigantic dick. As a whole though, I don't see it.

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- The BoD

Not saying they're dicks at all, just strict. If you talk to any current student or recent graduate, most will have plenty of stories of the BPD and the university and how strict they can be.

This is a conscious effort from the university too. When I was in school I had a pretty good relationship with Byron Hughes, who is now the director of Fraternity and Sorority life at VT, and he told me point blank that the reason the school is so strict is because of the the 4/16 shootings. They took a major hit from a financial and perception standpoint and know that they can't afford another PR nightmare like that (and please don't take that as me being insensitive to the tragedy of it). Both the cause and the result are unfortunate, but it is what it is.

In a college town, many would equate strict with being a dick. And I've seen BPD let a bunch of minor things slide through the years. I get what you're saying though.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

The police in Norman, OK are dicks. A friend of mine who doesn't drink alcohol walked out of a party a mile or so off-campus. He was going to pick up something from the store because he was the sober guy in the house. When his foot hit the sidewalk, he got rushed by three officers hiding in the neighbors bushes.

He was booked and charged with drunk in public. Oklahoma law requires no proof of alcohol consumption, just an officer willing to sign off on the "hunch".

The more he brought it up afterwards, the more he heard how common this is (This was almost 12 years ago, but conversing with people on Reddit leads me to believe this is still par for the course).

I've had friends get DIP tickets in Blacksburg, too but a) they were drunk, and b) they were clearly in public.

In VA you don't need any alchohol test either for a DIP arrest.

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I don't doubt that. I believe it's much more common for the Norman PD to jail you for being in public and tack on the "drunk" part.

DIP is a charge that's easy to use if disorderly conduct or any number of other public nusicince charges aren't met. You just need the odor of alcohol or the person carrying an alcoholic drink, my magistrate would also let us use it for people wh were under the influence of drugs. It holds a person in jail for 12-24 hours. Removes them from situations that could be a lot worse. I used it during domestics or at King's Dominon.

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And this is the problem.
A citizen can violate no law but be arrested because the police officer deems it to be in the best interest of those involved.

I presume that you try to help people but there is nothing to stop you from using the ambiguity of the law to be a tyrant. That is a problem.

An officer has to be able to articulate in court to a judge or jury why they arrested someone for DIP. Slurred speech, difficulty walking or standing, odor of alcohol and behavior etc, or and this happened the most, self admission.

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It seems that since the state already has a definition of intoxication level for a DUI, it would only be consistent to require a quantifiable level of intoxication greater than (or equal) to that of a DUI.

Stating that someone smelled of alcohol is a really easy statement to make. There are easy, canned answers that could be offered to a judge which are impossible to verify.

Even the "legal limit" isn't set in stone. If you fail a field sobriety test, were pulled over because you were swerving and hen only blew a 0.04 you can still be arrested for DUI. It's a totality of the event.

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I think I would have demanded a breathalyzer or blood test for alcohol on the spot if I was sober and arrested for DIP. Then I would have told them you either drop the charges or I sue for false arrest.

The law doesn't require a test.

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Fuck those guys. One of the reasons I do what I do is a long term response to BPD pulling everybody out of a 2 door civic with a sober driver 'because it smells like alcohol' and putting 4 kids (including me) in handcuffs on the curb. Made everybody blow (cuz fuck the 4th amendment). Made me blow three times because he didn't believe the 0.00. Way to encourage doing the right thing and engendering a respect for law enforcement.

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Or the kid that was a drunk passenger. Once the officer had him step out of the car, arrested for DIP.

This is not about serving the public.

A buddy of mine's girlfriend got a ticket because she was sitting on his lap in the passenger seat

Is this supposed to be supporting that the campus PD are doing a good job or a bad job?

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

My comment was more about it being shitty luck. Walking from TV to UT is like walking to your neighbor's house.

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That sucks, I lost track of the number of times VTPD or BPD had to have seen me with with 7+ people (record was 10) in a Toyota Corolla and I never once got pulled over.

My pastor's son got a ticket for speeding at VMI ... on his bicycle. Good times.

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That's par for the course for a military garrison environment.

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My buddy got a speeding ticket going around the drillfield on a bicycle.

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Campus PD tried to pull my buddy over on a bike and he just pretended he didn't see them and he cut between some buildings where the cruiser couldn't follow. He knew he had made a pretty stupid move so he went and put his bike in his dorm and didn't ride it for a month. He also changed his clothes and wore a hat the rest of the day, lol.

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Had a buddy get arrested for "driving" his bike drunk. Cop put him in the car and my buddy asked the cop to buckle his seatbelt. Cop asked why and my buddy said "there's a lot of drunks out there "

work very closely with Blacksburg PD to make a conscious effort to keep drunk students off the streets. The amount of friends that I had in college that got arrested simply for walking home from downtown is absurd.

It's pretty intense the effort they put into hunting for DUI's too. I was pulled over on 4 different occasions on campus, each time for doing less than 10 over, and I never once got a ticket. On the fourth occasion I asked the officer about it and he essentially said that they will use any justifiable excuse to pull someone over once it gets late enough. He said that they rarely give out tickets but that it's really more of a DUI check more than anything. He told us some crazy statistic where almost half of the students they pull over after midnight are above the legal limit.

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Fill you in on a secret most traffic stops at night anywhere are officers looking for drunks, drugs or warrants.

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I had one inspect the installation of an empty carseat when I got stopped on patrick henry a few years back. Must have not hit his quota for tickets that night.

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Car seat installs become a huge deal at certain times of the year. I don't know what ticket he could of written you but he may have helped you install it properly if it wasn't.

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I'm always amazed when people find a way to install those things incorrectly. They've made it so easy I feel like you have to try to do it wrong.

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What I think is asinine is that they now come with expiration dates...

Actually, those things are really susceptible to plastic degradation. A lot of their strength comes from the honeycomb structure made up of relatively thin wall plastic. Once that stuff gets old and brittle, the effectiveness of the seat goes way down because it doesn't absorb energy when it crushes/breaks, it just snaps.

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I too thought it was asinine, and while my wife was pregnant I did a bunch of research and talked to a plastics engineer that I happened to run into at a bar, and it's really no joke. I totally changed my tune.

Now don't get me started on people who don't know how to properly buckle their infants into the car seats. I know mom/parent shaming is very off limits, but I'm sorry, I don't want your kid to suffer a horrible death or life altering injury because you were ignorant of the proper way to buckle a seat belt, or didn't want the belts to be too tight on little Johnny. CHEST CLIP BETWEEN THE ARMPITS PEOPLE!

Joe actually did it best when I saw him on twitter let someone know that the improper buckling was a 15 yard penalty.

Between being a cop and a firefighter I've inspected and installed maybe 25 car seats and I don't go to the actual events we hold where special AAA and trained officers we install and teach about them and the laws around them.

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Quotas are illegal... Just saying. Believe it or not, but some cops just aggressively enforce the traffic code.

There were always so many "ID" checks on Patrick Henry back by the high school. It's a bullshit way for them to skirt the law.

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VT is extremely strict on Greek life compared to other schools that fit a similar profile,

This. The rules placed on Greek life are just flat out ridiculous. Then the school gets frustrated when those organizations don't participate very much in school sanctioned events, i.e. Relay for Life.

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Could you provide some examples?

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One of the most ridiculous ones when I was in school from 2003-2007, sorority girls were not able to take a picture together, and subsequently post it online, if there were more than five girls in the same sorority and a cup of alcohol was in the photo. You could have as many girls from different sororities in the picture as you wanted, with alcohol, but no more than five from the same sorority. No one could ever figure out that rule. You could drink (of legal age of course) with girls from other sororities but not your own... Girls would take a photo together and say oh wait, how many of us are in this photo in the same sorority?

The school stuck its fingers in the pledging processes of fraternities and put an 8 week time limit on them probably 5-6 years ago. Generally, all of the fraternities were on a similar time frame, which was through about the end of the semester, but before exams IIRC.

The chapters on Oak Lane are under strict dorm like rules - no glass in the house, no kegs, no alcohol cans visible from outside the house, if you want to have a social event it has to be "registered" with the university and thus have a police officer at it, etc. There's someone who lives in the little building at the end of Oak Lane that oversees the chapters on Oak Lane. I don't know how they get hired or how many years their contract runs but I met one of the guys who held that position several years ago and he sure was hell bent on making sure every single chapter follow every rule to a T and punish those that broke any and all rules. I got the feeling he was scorned by a chapter back when he was in school. He was in that position post graduate.

Several fraternities have lost their charters over the past decade and are gone, one sorority too. I'll admit some were for some very legit reasons, but every chapter that does anything socially has been in trouble at some point or another for the exact same stuff that lots of other college kids do without school punishment. I suppose that's what happens when you join a chapter that is school recognized. Compared to many of my greek life friends at other schools, VT chapters seem to be under much more scrutiny. Greek life at VT made up a much smaller percentage of students at 16% when I was there and it was over 30% at many other schools, particularly southern ones at the same time.

I think society as a whole is frowning upon/cracking down on Greek Life, which doesn't surprise me.

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I can only speak for Randolph Macon College but many of those rules sound similar. Girls couldn't have parties that had alcohol present. Any house owned by the school was subject to inspections, Rush happened second semester not first.

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We had Fraternity parties/tailgates at Tech with more people than the student body at Randolph Macon, not much similarities between the two schools. Virginia Tech did everything possible to make life hard for Greek Life during my time 06-10. My Greek organization alone was involved in all kinds of Blacksburg community programs that benefited VT and the people of Blacksburg. We would raise over $50,000 a year for charities, involved in Relay for Life, Greeks Giving Back and help move Freshman into dorms. VT and the Blacksburg police treated us like a gang, always watched us like we were some kind of threat. Greek organizations were singled out and the second anything went wrong, the iron fist came crashing down with strict/harsh punishment.

Now Imagine how frustrating this was for Fraternities and Sororities when other Virginia Tech students who have no Greek affiliation who may just be students(nothing wrong by that) getting drunk, having a good time, throwing parties, tailgates and the school doesn't seem to look twice at them. The way Greek organizations were treated at Virginia Tech sucked while I was in Blacksburg.

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Yup. And God-forbid if we were caught with kegs (but the same or greater quantity of beer in cases was just fine)! Absurd.

When I got to VT, I didn't envision joining a fraternity. But, I'm glad I did eventually make the decision to pledge and have some great lifelong Brothers. It definitely made me more active in everything Tech had to offer.

I also made plenty of friends at VT outside of the Greek Life.

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I think he might end up in a Marshall jersey.

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I really hope not.

If he's not at Tech, Marshall will do for me.

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hes at marshall. its a done deal. best of luck to him in the future. hopefully he learned his lesson and can get right and make an impact on the field.

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