Military Appreciation Helmet

Thoughts?

I am all for recognizing the military and it is a cool helmet, but red, white and blue don't really go with our colors. I'd rather see a cool sticker on the back of the helmet, logos on the field, and allow the corps to do more stuff during the game.

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anything USA, I'm ok with

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

It might look better with red accents instead of pink

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

It's just the reflection. The stripes are actually red.

We did a very similar design in 2014. We actually wore it for the Military appreciation game and the bowl game.

I just hate that if they sell this as a mini I'm not going to be able to say no even though I already have the 2014 version

"Whomp their heads real good."

Same! It's getting to be an expensive addiction! I've started getting custom ones made.

I have the Mini-helmet from last year or the year before (almost exact model of current). It's one of my favorite.

@vtscottyb

All white with these lids won't bug me at all. It could be worse, could be orange camo lid or even green camo lid.

It's our style with USA colors beating the Shit out of ODU. What's wrong with that?

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Those orange camo helmets were so bad. It was absolutely pouring for that game, and it went to triple overtime, so everyone's logos on the helmets were falling off. The mud mixing with the white and orange camo jerseys looked bad as well.

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Virginia Tech fanatic.

Still one of the most fun games I've been to. There's something about being soaked to the bone and screaming with other Hokies that makes Lane even better.

Here lies It's a Stroman Jersey I Swear, surpassed in life by no one because he intercepted it.

Isabel.

I had tickets to that game! Alas, my unit was asked to stay in Iraq for another 4 months and I had to wait and watch the tape my wife made for me.

I don't post much...but then again

"asked to stay in Iraq"

so you were voluntold?

Warning: this post occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors)..

Of course...you don't have to say "yes" but your silence is consent.

I don't post much...but then again

And it's hard to protest when you're not at the meeting where it's decided.

I believe HT SF was just providing a counter to the opinion that the Marshall game was the most fun with the Isabel game.

Yeah you're probably right, didn't occur to me at the time

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I was responding to this:

There's something about being soaked to the bone and screaming with other Hokies that makes Lane even better.

I can't comment on the Marshall game, I wasn't there. But I was for Isabel / TAMU, and that was amazing.

I hate you... now watching entire game at my work desk

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Yeah, I remember all of the twists and turns of that game like it was yesterday. Willie Byrn caught the game-tying touchdown off a dropped interception. Marshall's QB threw an INT on their drive that we were sure was going to be a touchdown. Marshall had a chance to win in overtime with a field goal, but it got blocked. Derrick Hopkins almost scored on a 70-yard fumble return to end the game at one point too. That actually turned out to be one of the better wins of the season given that Marshall won 10 games that season and went 13-1 the next.

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Virginia Tech fanatic.

This was the only game I have ever decided to take my shirt off for. Beginning of 4th my buddy and I went from south to north end zone. We went up or tied close to the end of the fourth and I figured, we don't have ot games in lane. I'm ready.

I was wrong.

I seem to remember a lot of official timeouts or something during the OTs. I also recall having chants between the east student section and north that was a lot of fun. Hot dorm shower never felt so good. Also ruined a pair of shoes during that game. Good times.

Yeah, I had an hour and a half long drive back home in my wet clothes, but that was my first multiple overtime game at Lane, and we won, so I wasn't too upset about it. Little did I know I would be attending the school VT beat that day 3 years later.

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Virginia Tech fanatic.

That was everybody's first multiple OT game at Lane.

It must have taken a lot of time to ask everyone at the stadium if it was their first multiple OT game at Lane. Respect.

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Virginia Tech fanatic.

Pssst - bluehokie2006 is saying this because it was the first multiple OT game in Lane ever.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Assume there was a /s at the end of my comment...

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Virginia Tech fanatic.

Fun fact: today is the exact four-year anniversary of that game being played.

How I felt after the game (NSFW language):

Any form of a Christmas Vacation reference will always get a leg from me.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

I'm good with it

Hokies, Local Soccer, AFC Ajax, Ravens

As a member of the military I can dig these.

There are wolves and there are sheep, I am the sheep dog

I like the helmet, but why have we not matched the last couple of Military Appreciation buckets with a uniform similar to how they matched helmets with the green and orange camo uniforms several years ago? Is it because of the cost or some kind of stipulation in our contract with Nike?

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Because this is an ugly helmet.

"It's a miracle in Blacksburg, TYROD DID IT MIKEY, TYROD DID IT!"

I agree with that. I hated the design of those helmets. My question was simply why have we not made uniforms to compliment the red, white, and blue helmets if we could make those orange uniforms to go with that atrocity several years ago?

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Oh I see what you are saying now, I had it backwards. That's a good question, I'm not really sure. It would be pretty sweet to have a set of unis that matched the red white and blue helmet.

"It's a miracle in Blacksburg, TYROD DID IT MIKEY, TYROD DID IT!"

Something like these uniforms is sort of what I had in mind:

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

So much for Whit's whole statement of not having too many new uniform changes this year

Here are the actual quotes:

"Coach Fuente and I are I believe very much on the same page of the traditional VT logo on the helmet," Babcock said. "I believe you'll see some variations of striping and other things, but no, we're still maroon and orange and white. And I don't know that there's any gray or black in there; I don't believe that there is any Hokie Stone. So they'll be sharp and clean."

He's only talking about the helmets here. "we're still maroon and orange and white" refers to the colors of the actual helmet, which is exactly what we've seen already (except orange).

"No Hokie Stone. No turkey feet. Not your guy, Foghorn Leghorn. Nothing like that," Babcock said with a laugh about past monstrosities. "I've seen them. They look sharp. And if we win in them, everybody likes them anyways."

Again, all of those references are to helmets. It was Bitter in the body of the article that implied that those quotes applied to the uniforms as a whole.

What Whit was ultimately saying was that we have a basic template, and we're not straying too far from that. And that would be correct. Look at all of the helmets we've worn this season already. We've got the VT on the side, the solid stripe down the middle, and the two tapered stripes on either side. All they've been doing is changing the colors.

we're still maroon and orange and white. And I don't know that there's any gray or black in there; I don't believe that there is any Hokie Stone.

Yes, but

And also,

So.
What did Whit know, and when did he know it? Did he just forget about these, or was he trolling us? heh

As for the MAD helmets, I like them just fine (although they are basically the 2014's, redux). Just please try to match them better to the uni's this time around. Love my team, love my country - but Christ on a cracker, at least the orange camo nightmares matched. This combo (below) makes the helmet look like an afterthought. Which, on Military Appreciation Day, it shouldn't.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

It looks a whole lot cleaner than the muddled garbage American flag uniforms most teams trot out. The helmet doesn't require new uniforms to match.

It's Time to go to Work

Agree that the unis and the helmets should match. I'd ditch the shoulder stripes, use the same American flag motif for the jersey numbers (instead of maroon), and replace the names on the jerseys with: Brotherhood, Honor, Leadership, Sacrifice, Service, Loyalty, Duty, or Ut Prosim. Oh, and go with white shoes with shiny red or blue soles.

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--unknown

I interpreted that "we're still maroon and orange and white" comment as meaning that the helmets are either white, orange, or maroon. The VT logos can vary as long as the helmet itself is one of those colors.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

The listing of "white" as one of our colors is just an acknowledgment of the fact that teams wear white at times in support of the actual team colors. Michigan isn't "maize, blue, and white". FSU isn't "garnet, gold, and white".

I know we wear white pants sometimes. I know we do a White Effect game. And there are schools that list white as one of their colors (PSU, UNC, NC State, Bama) but we aren't one of them. Ask 100 VT fans what our colors are - I'd bet none of them say "Burnt Orange, Chicago Maroon & White".

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

I thought we were just talking about the helmet colors.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

First, and most importantly: great gif. That immediately goes into the rotation.

bluehokie said something similar - don't you consider the decals part of the color scheme of the helmet? When I think about our lids, I don't mentally erase the decals. I get that the actual plastic helmet, pre-adornment, is white - but the VT logo etc is what makes them our uniform.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

I gotcha. I don't really have an opinion, was just explaining how I read the official comment on what colors the helmets would be this year.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

What did Whit know, and when did he know it? Did he just forget about these, or was he trolling us? heh

I think he was talking about the helmets themselves, not the decals.

I'd be willing to bet that most people consider the stickers on the helmet to be part of the color scheme of the helmet itself. It's really hard for me to see a red, white and blue stripe with an American flag VT logo on both sides and simply say "Yeah, nice plain white helmet".

My original comment was just to say that either Whit thought it would be fun to make the special helmets a surprise, or that he misspoke/forgot about these when he made the statement. But in no way could you file these lids under "traditional". These are alternates. Our colors are Burnt Orange and Chicago Maroon, and neither of these helmets incorporate either.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

As I said above, all of the helmets this year have had the same basic design. VT on the sides, thick stripe in the middle, and two tapered stripes on either side of that. We're not seeing anything that replaces the VT -- and that's what Whit was talking about. We're also not seeing different funky elements replace the solid color of the helmets, like the Hokie Stone helmets from 2013 or the orange camo patterns shown elsewhere in this thread.

I would say that if you made pictures of the three helmets we've worn so far this year into black and white images that they would all look the same, but then people would get hung up on the design elements inside the VT or stripes.

Yes, Whit did mention the lack of alternate logos ("no Foghorn Leghorn", etc) - but he also stated - clearly:

we're still maroon and orange and white. And I don't know that there's any gray or black in there; I don't believe that there is any Hokie Stone.

There's nothing orange or maroon in either of these alternate helmets.

I have no idea what "just look at them in black and white photos and they'll all look the same" even means. The colors are, in part, the very point. That's like saying "that painting is way more beautiful if you look at it with your eyes closed". (Not to mention, black and white photos would still show the American flag and the Hokie Stone, respectively.)

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

And if we go back to the beginning of the sentence that you quoted:

I believe you'll see some variations of striping and other things, but no, we're still maroon and orange and white.

Whit's talking about the color of the helmet under the decals, because that's what he is ordering. Everyone, including Andy Bitter, was reading way too far into what Whit said. Whit never said anything about what colors or designs we would be seeing inside the VT or the stripes. He never even said anything about uniforms. All of the quotes in that article specifically refer to the helmets. But folks took that line and ran with it saying "we're not having any special uniforms this year!"

(Not to mention, black and white photos would still show the American flag and the Hokie Stone, respectively.)

And you just proved my point of "but then people would get hung up on the design elements inside the VT or stripes."

Whit's talking about the color of the helmet under the decals, because that's what he is ordering

Why you would assert that the decals are not part of the scheme of the helmet is beyond me. And: we order the decals, too. In specific colors. To create a "color scheme".

He never even said anything about uniforms. All of the quotes in that article specifically refer to the helmets.

Do you honestly believe that the athletic director thinks about the helmets completely separately from the jerseys and pants?? Helmets are part of the uniform.

And in regards to me proving your point about getting hung up on design elements? I was just giving a secondary reason why your "just look at 'em in black & white" suggestion doesn't hold water (bc they still look like alternates, even in B&W).

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Why you would assert that the decals are not part of the scheme of the helmet is beyond me.

I'm not. All I'm pointing out is that Whit said we're getting maroon helmet, white helmets, and orange helmets. We're not getting black helmets, or gray helmets, or helmets that looks like they were carved out of Hokie Stone.

Whit specifically said was that the variations would come in "striping and other things" -- which means the decals.

Do you honestly believe that the athletic director thinks about the helmets completely separately from the jerseys and pants?? Helmets are part of the uniform.

Again, never said anything about that. But the only thing that Whit actually talks about in those quotes are the helmets. He basically said that he wanted to stick with maroon/orange/white helmets with a VT on them, and everyone expanded on that and ran with the idea that we weren't getting any uniform variations at all.

And in regards to me proving your point about getting hung up on design elements? I was just giving a secondary reason why your "just look at 'em in black & white" suggestion doesn't hold water (bc they still look like alternates, even in B&W).

Because you're missing the point I was trying to make (which I probably could have tried to word better). Ignore what's inside of the VT and ignore the design work inside of the stripe -- all of the helmets have the same elements: three stripes and a VT. We don't have a plain helmet with just a VT. We don't have turkey feet on the helmet. We don't have Hokie Stone wrapped around with the academic crest on the side. We don't have a VT on one side and numbers on the other.

None of this is untrue.

I know Whit said "orange, maroon, and white", but I don't think he truly considers "white" to be a VT "color". Our colors are O&M - white is an accent, a background, a way to delineate home and away teams. Like at almost every other school.

I guess my point is that we haven't worn a white helmet as part of our base uniform since (as far as I can tell) ca. 1978. Our default helmet color has been maroon for 40 years. The white helmet in and of itself is an alternate helmet, regardless of adornment.

I guess you could argue that we've worn white helmets sporadically over the last 10 seasons - but in my view, our helmets are maroon. Anything else is an alternate, a variant of that scheme.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

To your first points: precisely.

As far as the flag helmets, I like them a hell of a lot better than any Army or digital camo stuff we've messed with before, those were flat out awful

I hear what you're saying, but I'm going to file this one in the category of "Things HokieBuilder is Not Concerned About." If this is our biggest complaint with uniforms this year, it's time to find something else to complain about.

Probably an unpopular opinion, but I kind of hate it. First home game I've been able to make it to in a few years and we're repping these instead of our actual colors. It's certainly not the end of the world, but I'm not a fan.

I also think that if we're going to leave politics out of sports, we should maybe leave military glorification out of sports too.

I'm not a huge fan of the way the helmet looks either, but I don't think honoring military appreciation day has anything to do with politics. Regardless of whether or not people think we should be involved in a global conflict, service men and service women are still out there fighting in the name of USA. It's not everyday that we can show our appreciation for what they do; I think special helmets are the least we can do.

Totally understand and respect that opinion. Thanks for the thoughtful response. I can't really get into reasons why I don't fully agree with you without getting into territory we probably don't want to enter.

My goal wasn't to derail the thread, just state reasons why I'm not a big fan of the helmet.

I feel ya bbowman82

We could do like the NFL, have a military appreciation and charge them for the tickets.

We put the K in Kwality

Not just that. Until it got exposed, the NFL got $$millions in tax dollars for holding military appreciations.

The military history and connection of our school, past and present makes this waaayyyy different than bringing politics into sports. It's celebrating America, can't we all get behind that.

hmmmmm I seem to recall some deep connection between VPI and the military ...... something about a Corp of Cadets ,,,,,.

*Corps

"*Corpse"
- Seemingly every single Raycom Sports broadcaster

Actually, it was ESPNU.

upvoted cuz that's a baller photo.... need to get back to campus so I can reproduce some of my older pics of campus

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Upvoted you to balance out those downvotes you got for some reason.

Humble reminder not to downvote opinions. I know this enters personal territory for some, but we don't punish people for disagreeing.

Military Glorification? I really think that if anything needs to be glorified, it's that people have the sense of duty to give life and limb for their country, including several Hokie alums. While we are stating opinions, mine is that your opinion sucks.

I wouldn't call it military glorification. It's respect for the men and women who have served and are currently serving to protect America and it's citizens; recognizing the sacrifices required of them.

I know its highly unlikely we get new jerseys but it is interesting to see all the accents are Red, White, and Blue. Has this been the case before?

I'm a simple man. I like pretty, dark-haired women and breakfast food.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

Yes, in 2014 we had similar helmets. We wore them for both the Military Appreciation Game and the Military Bowl. I had a similar question though; if we had the orange and green camo uniforms to go with those helmets, why not have a special red, white, and blue uniform to go with these current helmets?

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Yes, I saw above that the 2014 includes the red HOKIES across the back and I suppose the only update is the transfer of the ACC logo from front to back and that the color changes as well. I think that alternate jerseys would be good, we could keep our plain white pants, may have to change the swoosh color. However If you're going to commit to something like this go all in on the idea. Personally I think we should do a palin white jersey (to honor the Corps., which I still think white shirts at this time) with the name bar on the right side of the chest (similar to what Army does with their uniform), with the Gold VPI logo from the cover on one side and american flag on the other side. For the name plates instead of player names it should be either a name from the pylons. Or Alternatively go by postion group and use the names from the seven medal of honor recipients, so QBs, RBs, WRs, Linemen, LBs, Secondary, and Special Teams each represent a name from the cenotaph. Just my two cents.

I'm a simple man. I like pretty, dark-haired women and breakfast food.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

Oh, I like the way you think. Very intriguing ideas. We're definitely on the same page though and you said it: If you're going to commit to something like this go all in on the idea. I personally think that wearing these helmets with the current away whites really clashes; especially with the shoulder stripes (and I've been Team No Stripes from Day 1). I've thought that every time we've done this, 2014 being a good example, it looks like you've taken a nice pair of brown wingtips and paired it with a nice black suit.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Yyyyyep. Posted this photo in another comment above (before reading all the comments, obviously) - this is just not a good look. Helmet comes off an an afterthought.

It's the orange. I actually think we could pull off a white jersey with ONLY maroon (numbers, swoosh, name plates) and no neck stripe (plain white).

But what would be killer is an all-white jersey, with white numbers outlined in maroon. Those, with the regular white pants (maroon swoosh)? I could live with that just fine.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Considering this is also the White Effect game in addition to Military Appreciation, I don't see why we wouldn't just go full white for the uniforms.

Northwestern did a pretty awesome take in my opinion. They went full Merica w these. I think it would be awesome if We did the same thing just for the appreciation weekend one year. Not our school colors but the colors of freedom

There are wolves and there are sheep, I am the sheep dog

I agree, these are awesome. They look tough and really highlight the theme. I would prefer that we drew more on our history of the Corps in some way, rather than just full on 4th of July unis, as the Corps is one of the unique things about our University. Former Corps guys, does the VT Corps have a banner, seal, or coat of arms for its unit/regiment/etc.? (not military and have no idea how the terms match up to the allocation of personnel)

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

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VTCC Shield

We've worn this on the back of military appreciation helmets before.

That crest would look amazing as a patch or logo on the shoulder pads

Here lies It's a Stroman Jersey I Swear, surpassed in life by no one because he intercepted it.

Now between all of the Corps of Cadets on campus, if there was a contest to incorporate this design or elements of the colors into a VT football uniform or helmet or combination, that one of them wouldn't come up with a badass kit?

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Not a fan of that uniform, helmet at all. I like our simple clean look better.

Awesome is not one of the words I think of for this uni.

There are wolves and there are sheep, I am the sheep dog

Horrendous is a word that comes to mind....

February..'96...the steak: ribeye, the whiskey:Lagavulin 16, the lady next to me: a bit**.....

Yeah, that's a little closer to what popped into my mind.

And grey, red, white & blue aren't exactly what I think of when I think "Northwestern" either.

Maybe NW thought they could run fast enough for the red, white, and blue to blur into purple.

American girls and American guys
We'll always stand up and salute
We'll always recognize
When we see Old Glory flying
There's a lot of men dead
So we can sleep in peace at night when we lay down our head
My daddy served in the army
Where he lost his right eye but he flew a flag out in our yard
Until the day that he died
He wanted my mother, my brother, my sister and me
To grow up and live happy
In the land of the free
Now this nation that I love has fallen under attack
A mighty sucker punch came flyin' in from somewhere in the back
Soon as we could see clearly
Through our big black eye
Man, we lit up your world
Like the fourth of July
Hey Uncle Sam, put your name at the top of his list
And the Statue of Liberty started shakin' her fist
And the eagle will fly man, it's gonna be hell
When you hear mother freedom start ringin' her bell
And it feels like the whole wide world is raining down on you
Brought to you courtesy of the red white and blue
Justice will be served and the battle will rage
This big dog will fight when you rattle his cage
And you'll be sorry that you messed with
The U.S. of A.
'Cause we'll put a boot in your ass
It's the American way
Hey uncle sam put your name at the top of his list
And the Statue of Liberty started shakin' her fist
And the eagle will fly it's gonna be hell
When you hear mother freedom start ringin' her bell
And it feels like the whole wide world is raining down on you
Brought to you courtesy of the red white and blue
Oh oh of the red white and blue
Oh oh of my red white and blue

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

This

There are wolves and there are sheep, I am the sheep dog

Toby Keith should have stopped after 1 album. That first album was one of the greatest country albums ever recorded.

Seriously, this cannot be upvoted enough. He went WAY down hill and that song is proof.

February..'96...the steak: ribeye, the whiskey:Lagavulin 16, the lady next to me: a bit**.....

As someone who has had to suffer through Toby Keith at numerous change of command ceremonies and military functions, I can't echo this louder.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

It's an attractive-looking helmet, and I think it's appropriate to show appreciation for the military, particularly given VT's association with the military.

My preference for the military appreciation is to go red, white, and blue on the helmet rather than try and do it with VT colors. The point being that we're all red, white, and blue as Americans.

I don't mind these for one game. They're certainly better than the orange or green camo monstrosities. I'd really like to see the uniform match though... I did a quick mockup and I think it's a significant improvement over the mismatched look.

It matches but looks just like Florida. Great job on the mock-up though. Had a double-take at first, couldn't tell it was shopped.

I was thinking giants

Recruit Prosim

So we want to become La Tech?

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

Ha, that is really similar. I can't say I knew what the Louisiana Tech uniform looked like!

Depends, is it pronounced Laaahhhh Tech?

Haahahaaa great comment

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

If we wear these we can probably sneak Tyrod back onto the field in his bills jersey

He'd probably have better receivers.

I would rather the mismatch. We show our colors while also honoring the military.

Honestly, for the military appreciation days, I'd much rather us trend toward something that directly plays off the Corps rather than the military in general. Not that I don't support the military, I do, but there has been a trend in the past to politically weaponize support of the military to the point where draping a flag over yourself and screaming 'support your troops' has become a political caricature, and my gut reaction to this design is that it plays directly into it. I'd rather us distance ourselves from that kind of, to be frank, cliche'd American nationalistic tendencies, and do something that is special for VT while still honoring those who deserve to be honored. The VTCC has an aesthetic that is unique to themselves. It would be really cool if we could play up on that by using (with their permission, of course) their seal or crest, navy blue, maroon, and white palate, and putting something together that is truly unique.

Don't get me wrong, I like the helmet, and I like that we have a Military Appreciation Day. I just think that we're missing an opportunity to do something a little better, that's all.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

Agreed, it doesn't seem like much effort was put into this nor is it unique to VT's very unique relationship with the military.

...there has been a trend in the past to politically weaponize support of the military to the point where draping a flag over yourself and screaming 'support your troops' has become a political caricature, and my gut reaction to this design is that it plays directly into it. I'd rather us distance ourselves from that kind of, to be frank, cliche'd American nationalistic tendencies...

You just described the entire marketing plan of Mission BBQ.

I'm here for the memes, I just stay for the football.

Just about everything is used as a political prop, regardless of party.

So, you have to choose whether you are overly concerned about symbolism generating fabricated outrage, or if you can just accept intent as stated.

It is patently ridiculous that any use of the American flag must go under the microscope.

I choose to accept intent as stated pretty much every time, excepting cases where intent as stated is at odds with previous or contemporaneous actions.

So, tl;dr: I'm fer the lids.

Be nice if we didn't have politics invade every space of sports or the rest of our lives.

political prop

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O'bro always gets a leg.

I'm not going to bash what they did, as it's pretty cool, actually.

But you do have a great idea for a future military appreciation helmet.

These with Hokie stone would look pretty good I think.

Always choose joy.

If there isn't a new jersey for this game to match these helmets, I do hope they wear the Hokiestone jerseys. I didn't mind the regular white jerseys paired with the last helmet, but I'm already cringing at the shoulder stripes clashing with the new, solid stripes on this helmet. I think having the stars in the blue stripe of the 2014 version made it okay, but I really hope we have something better planned

"Whomp their heads real good."

Hyper-nationalism aside, i'm not a fan of these helmets. They just don't look good or match with anything we have.

Hyper-nationalism aside

100% this.

Every time I get whiny over our uniforms, helmets, uniform combinations, and the like, I just have to remind myself of the combo that ECU just wore against us. Wow, that was disgusting.

Also, since this post is/sort of/has become about uniforms, does anyone else think it'd be cool if we wore something other than black cleats with our AME? Yes, yes, yes, I fully know why we wear the black cleats and tradition behind the black cleats, but I've never really been a fan. For instance, when we played anOSU at home and had the cool metallic orange helmets with AME, I thought that the orange cleats would've tied everything together perfectly. The black cleats just didn't look quite right. Just my $0.02.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Forgive my stupid question, but what is the tradition behind our black cleats?

Oh wow! I have no idea how I didn't know about this. Thank you!

The whole article is a great read if you haven't read it or heard the story before, but here's the synopsis:

"The Hokies went out for early pregame warm-ups for the Virginia game and came back to the locker room before heading out one final time. They shed their white pants in favor of the maroon ones – a surprise to fans, who hadn't seen all-maroon outfits since 1984. Then a multitude of players disappeared. The locker room, save for a few, was eerily quiet.

One of Karlin's minions came up to him and told him he needed to go outside.

"You need to see this," he said. "They're out there spray painting their shoes."

Karlin marched outside and what he saw left him with a single reaction.

"I was pretty well pissed," he said. "They got black spray paint all over the benches and on their socks and shoes."

Tech's players, led by those seniors, had cans of black spray paint in their hands, spraying their white Converse cleats. Black cleats became the rage in the late 1980s, with a lot of big-time schools going in that direction. Tech officials, a little late to the party, planned on making the change the following season as part of a new agreement with Nike."

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

EPW, where do you work in Lynchburg as an ME?

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I'm also a Mechanical Design Engineer and work at AREVA. What about you, I see you work in Forest? Have a leg.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

I work at American Hofmann in Lynchburg (over near the DMV). If you know any PLC guys getting laid off over there, send them our way.

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Nice man, I know a couple of guys over there. It's a small world. Also, if we lay off any more people, we won't exist anymore.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

If you're ever out at the AREVA plant in Richland WA hmu.

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Thanks Frank!

I told my kids that ECU's pants weren't gold, they weren't yellow....they were the color of farts.

I was a fan of the helmets that were inspired by Navy's from last year's Army/Navy game:

Not too big on this years. Would prefer not to do red/white/blue uniforms, you can honor service men/women without changing the color scheme.

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Throwing this suggestion for MAD out there for your thoughts:

Every year we put the names of those on the pylons on our jerseys. Maybe put the name of one of our MOH recipients on whoever is sporting the #25 that game. Cycle through the names from year to year. Bonus if we can match names with players through any kind of connection, like hometown, etc.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

That helmet would look sweet on my desk at work. Well dangit looks like i'll have to bid on another one this year.

I'm just glad that we're so privileged that this is what we're spending time complaining about.