Matthew Burrell Transferring

Interesting opportunity for a program to bring in a stud Olineman that couldn't crack the starting lineup at anOSU, but muddled in the two deep.

He's a friend of Tim Settle and Reggie Floyd. Chose anOSU after we beat them at the shoe. Yes, you read that right.

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Was he the one that said we acted "Entitled" after that game and nearly caused a couple TKP threads to collapse under their own weight?


"I didn't care," Burrell, who eventually signed with Ohio State in February, told Northeast Ohio Media Group. "(Virginia Tech) acted way too entitled. Any team, you would win with class, which I would think, but it just showed me where I wanted to be."

Personally I have zero desire to provide him a landing spot. Maybe he'll go to UVA and get to watch the Hokies celebrate a victory in person again.

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not saying he is a fit at VT but 18 year old me said a lot of stupid shit too

Sure it's not the end of the world and kids sometimes say stupid things but given how Fuente seems to operate, he values respect and trust within the program and there are consequences to actions. Based on that I can't imagine Burrell being a fit.

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but given how Fuente seems to operate, he values respect and trust within the program and there are consequences to actions

yeah, I just don't see the net positive on a coach holding a grudge on a comment like this. Not saying it doesn't happen just disagree with that notion.

If he were interested Burrell would need to contact Fuente/Vice and discuss that with them. I am fairly certain past interactions would be a topic of that conversation and logic would dictate an effort to make amends would be made by Burrell. So following your line of thinking regarding Fuente's character I would seriously doubt he wouldn't accept and respect a genuine effort made by Burrell to make amends and accept him as a transfer, IF VT held interest in him being on the OL in the first place.

We're just going to disagree here because I think there's some evidence to the contrary. The Capehart situation immediately comes to mind as an instance where fans seriously questioned the net positive of Fuente's actions yet it still happened.

Also I'm not sure on this but I don't think transfers typically reach out to other coaches and instead tend to treat it as getting recruited again. If Burrell went out of his way to contact our coaches and make amends and the coaches felt it was sincere and he would help the team then it might be a different situation. But that seems highly unlikely to me and there's no evidence that Burrell has any desire to do that. Regardless of his statement I actually do see him as a stronger possibility for UVA given that Bronco has turned to transfers to fill their many of their positional needs, especially o-line.

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In regards to Capehart I agree it demonstrates Fuente holds a line to which he believes/ed he needs to be in respect to how recruits behave. In the Burrell case unless I am mistaken Fuente was never previously involved with him, Beamer was. So I don't think Fuente's personal line has been crossed yet because I feel certain he would make his own determination, however I also don't think Fuente would just let the comment slide either. Also I think likely some lessons were learned by Fuente and staff regarding Capehart.

In regards to transfers reaching out or not, at some point a transfer needs to be accepted whether or not that is initiated by the recruit or the coach. I would assume no matter who initiates, a conversation would be had regarding football prior to the transfer going through and a topic such as this would come up.

Again, no idea if he is interested in VT or lolUVA bound That's not the point of what I am saying.

My point: while holding 18 year olds accountable for stupid comments is good coaching, begrudging them seems equally stupid.

My first thought was UVA. There wasn't any detail to his departure on ESPN.

There was a lot going against Beamer at the time which I won't go into here. I considered him a big miss cause he was a regular at home games, as mentioned above, friends with several Hokies past and present, and filled a need.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

To be fair to us, that is probably the dumbest thing I've heard a former VT target say during the recruiting process.

Side note: The dumbest thing I've heard, including non-VT targets, is the recruit who chose Auburn over Clemson because he didn't think Clemson had a Chik-Fil-A (which it actually does).

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2012/02/auburn-clemson-cassanova-mckinzy-recruiting-chick-fil-a/1#.WtgLXYjwaUk

Reuben Foster has been in the news a lot lately.

That wise fella got an Auburn logo tattooed on his arm and then went to Alabama eventually. I always thought that was pretty stupid. Even Obama threw some shade his way.

I am not sure which guard in the two deep he is better than. Does anyone here have insight to how he performed at tOSU?

Keep in mind, scholarship space is very limited. Given the young depth on OL, that scholarship needs to be tended towards defensive tackle.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

Per the ESPN article he played sparingly when Bowen was injured. Got 13 games in as a redshirt freshman.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

That's what happens when you feel that you are "Entitled" to attending what you thought was the best choice. What glitters isn't always gold.

Hokie Love!

Surprised we don't see significantly more transfers out of OSU tbh

Recruit Prosim

Yes, definitely $urprising

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

This is just stupid - so any school that does better than us must be paying them dollars? OSU has a budget that clearly blows ours out of the water and they do a lot more to help their student-athletes out than we do. That's not opinion that's a fact. TSL had a great article about that, actually.

Calm your tits man, it was just a joke. But seriously, if you think some of the big time schools don't have bag men, then your head is in the sand.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

Totally, I mean watch the documentary Blue Chips sometime.

“I turned down 12 other opportunities. You know what I mean?” - Fuente

I like my corn chips 'au naturel', yellow to off-white to be exact. Those Blue Chips can shove it.

But seriously, if you think some of the big time schools don't have bag men

Never said that - you're trying to put words in my mouth.

Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. If you're looking to start an internet fight, I'm not interested.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

Way to be...

Civil.

“I turned down 12 other opportunities. You know what I mean?” - Fuente

I wasn't, and neither am I. I was clarifying my statement since you implied I said something else.

I think every school has bag men.

Boosters and general well wishers.

Just gonna play devil's advocate here.

Civil Hokie provides no context here. So, why are you just assuming they meant that anOSU pays their players? How do you know they didn't mean exactly what you are talking about?

Either way, anOSU has more money to dedicate to their players.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

It was very much clearly implied and confirmed by his response.

He's a redshirt junior. So after sitting out a year for transferring, he'll have only 1 season left.

Not if he is a graduate transfer.

True. I should assume he is. However, none of the articles I've seen mention if he will graduate from OSU this year.

Nah. I'm good. I'll roll with the guys we have.

Someone on 247 that was close to his family said he wants to be closer to home and VT would be his preference if we offered. I have a very strong opinion on the Cape situation that I've expressed several times here so I won't go into that, but I am steadfastly of the belief that as long as the kid isn't a criminal or a locker room cancer, you do whatever you can to upgrade the talent of your team. VT's roster was in such poor shape when Fuente took over that he needs to do what he can to develop depth at all positions. We have a lot of good young guards on the roster, but after Pfaff graduates this year, Plantin will be the only upperclassman at the position. Having experienced depth is always a positive.

That's a compelling argument. I was a hard nope when I opened this thread, but your point is a good one.

As always, I trust The Fuente.

As someone who's mouth has gotten me in about all the trouble I've ever been in, I can just say that Fuente is the only person who needs to be satisfied with this young man coming to VT. We fans will get over it or not. I know people who keep grudges for decades against folks they never met, so I'm sure there will be residual salt, but if we can use the guy, I'm going to agree with Fernley and LA.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Fans will get over it if he plays well. But if he sucks, he'll never hear the end of it.

I can just see the game thread now after he gives up a sack. You hit refresh to find eight different variations of "Burrell seems to feel entitled to a starting spot"

Would take.

Imagine the recruiting sell if he wins the starting job and balls out.

Ohio State couldn't get him on the field, but he's a star for us.

Whats the downside? We lock up a scholarship for two years?

@Fightin_Gobbler

Go Hokies

Go Falcons

Agreed. Very easy sell for us:

"Go our of state and get lost in the shuffle or stay home, be around people who care about you and will stick with you, and be a star."

be a star

That's a big caveat and seems most likely farfetched in this situation. And regardless of the path I'm guessing the program is a much easier sell if you have players who turn out to be stars. Would Burrell be a star, starter, or a depth guy? Somewhere between starter and depth seem like the most likely case.

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a stud Olineman that couldn't crack the starting lineup

These things don't seem to go together very often. If Fuente thinks he could provide depth bring him in, but I am putting this kid into the overrated-out-of-HS category and not tripping all over myself hoping we extend an offer.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

The kid was clearly all OSU and said something kind of stupid but let's not act like he kicked Hank Beamer.

He's 6'3" 300 lbs and was a Top 100 recruit that we were heavily chasing -- I'll take him.

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Hank Beamer - Frank's alter ego.

...you know Frank's dog is named Hank, right?

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I didn't until I thought about it after I typed that. When I thought about kicking,l something, and then it clicked

Just the name of his dog

WAS being the key word here.

In 2018, he is not remotely one of the top 100 players from the class of 2015.

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You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Take on one condition: He has to wear that controversial "Mission Accomplished" VT/OSU shirt to practice :P

@VTimHokie85

I have never understood the "He couldn't crack the field at -insert P5 relative peer of VT here- but if he comes to Tech, he will be a stud. Has that ever happened? has a transfer come in here from a top 15 school where he was the 15th OL/3 deep type player, and blew up the ACC for us? I don't ever recall anything remotely like that happening. Has it ever?

In what universe are we a 'relative peer' of Ohio State?

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

About a week in September of 2014.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Yeah but we dropped out very quickly after that. That's just a fact.

I'm not disputing that. That's why I said it was only about a week. It was a joke anyway.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

No worries - just making a comment. No vitriol intended.

They are consistently in the Top 5, we are a top 15 team when good, top 35/bowl team when bad. That's in the same ballpark in terms of the type of players we recruit in my opinion.

1. We haven't been top 15 in a while. That kind of Tech team is on the horizon, but I wouldnt describe us as that now.

2. When we're bad you think we're top 35? We were bad the last few Beamer years and we were nowhere near the top 35. We BARELY made bowl games a couple of those years.

This really depends on how you say ballpark, but I think it's hard to say we recruit in the same ballpark. They are a blue blood that has near limitless resources and pulls in 5 star talent like it's no big deal. Our top get each year is a solid 4* guy. I think we pull from the same pool a bit, but we really don't compare to them in recruiting.

We were in the top 15 of the AP Poll last October. That's not very long ago.

And we're actually in the top 15 when it comes to way-too-early pre-season rankings. #15 per the Sporting News, #10 in Sports Illustrated, #15 per Athlon, #18 per SECCountry, #23 per ESPN, #11 per USA Today.

VT has a long history of *not* taking transfer players, so the sample is pretty small.

No superstars, but off the top of my head, Corey Fuller had a great senior season with 800+ receiving yards. Michael Brewer was one gritty SOB who helped us through a rough patch. I think Brent Benedict could've been a monster OL for us if he could've stayed healthy.

So no, it hasn't really happened for us, but you can cherry pick success stories from other schools. Baker Mayfield comes to mind. Obviously these are outliers and shouldn't be expected, but any specific player becoming a superstar is also an outlier.

Nobody should be expecting a superstar from an OL position. Set your expectations to "provides depth" and hopefully we'll be surprised.

@Fightin_Gobbler

Go Hokies

Go Falcons

Doesn't every basketball player who transfers away become an ncaa Tournament stud?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Jalen Hudson did

Recruit Prosim

Yep Hudson did have an excellent tournament but the list is a little longer than just him unfortunately. Robert Brown in 2014-15. Ty Garland in 2012-13. Ben Boggs only played one game but scored 15 points in 11 minutes in 2012-13.

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Three Two words, one hyphenated:

Dorian Finney-Smith

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

We need to differentiate between guys who transferred due to coaching changes vs being buried on the depth chart with no chance of playing. Finney-Smith, Hudson, not the same situation

Actually I went back and looked through the stats of guys who transferred and DFS didn't have a spectacular NCAA tournament even though Florida made the Final Four in 2013. He had a solid first game against Albany but averaged 5.5 pts on 16% shooting in the other games.

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All I know is that when I googled him, the first photo that popped up was his Mavs player profile pic.

I figure, hey, he's in the league - he must be pretty good. When I think about all the other VT guys in the NBA - - oh, wait. /s

Seriously, I thought we were just trying to name former Hokies that ended up somewhere else and did something of note.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

While not us, Russell Wilson comes to mind as well.

He was a talented starter already when he transferred.

I'll give you that, but he was in a system that didn't work for him in NC State, with horrible surrounding talent. While talented, and maybe one of the best players on that NC State team, because of that team, he was nowhere near as widely known until he transferred to Wisconsin where he was able to thrive.

Had he stayed at NC State, there's no way he has the stats and the showcase of his talent to go so high in the draft, nor does he compete for the Heisman. It took leaving a school and transferring to shine.

I thought the point, moreso than saying a "lost in the stable" talent transferring and becoming a star, was that sometimes a stud needs the right team to shine.

He was in a system that didn't work for him in NC State, with horrible surrounding talent... because of that team, he was nowhere near as widely known until he transferred to Wisconsin where he was able to thrive.

That isn't exactly true. While those teams weren't stocked with NFL talent, George Bryan was two-time All-ACC and Owen Spencer and Jarvis Williams weren't exactly bums. Also, Wilson threw for 3500+ yards in 2010 and was top 15 in the country in passing ypg- the system wasn't why he transferred. He was pretty well known and I'm not sure he needed to transfer to be noticed. I mean, he was on pace for 12,000 career yards at an ACC school. And heck Mike Glennon got drafted higher than him the next year.

Kansas and Texas Tech WADR don't fit the example of "buried on depth chart at powerhouse school" thing though. I wasn't talking about any transfer.

I thought I was pretty clear that VT doesn't have any examples of the extremely specific scenario you described.

Benedict transferring in from UGA and James Clark from OSU last year are the only two I can think of.

Are you saying that because those two didn't help us "blow up the ACC", we shouldn't explore the transfer market? Or that we should only pursue transfers from lower programs that weren't buried on their respective depth charts? Generally players don't transfer away from top 15 programs if they are starting unless there are off field issues or coaching changes.

All I'm trying to say is that I don't think we should write-off a player just because they didn't become a starter, and that anybody who expects any transfer, but especially an OL, to be a stud right away should temper their expectations.

@Fightin_Gobbler

Go Hokies

Go Falcons

I'm simply questioning the often talked about logic of "If Sweat would have came here instead of FSU, he would have been better", "If Hand came here instead of Bama, Bud would have him in the top 5 of the draft", and now this example. OSU's 12th OL should come here, because he is from VA and will just kill it at VT- despite what he has done for 3 years at OSU. I don't get that logic, and as you said, there are virtually no examples of this ever happening.

the often talked about logic of "If Sweat would have came here instead of FSU, he would have been better", "If Hand came here instead of Bama, Bud would have him in the top 5 of the draft"

Who says this?

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

I think it's more of a valid talking point when discussing Hand, who sat on the bench for 3 years at Alabama. vs Sweat who started almost right away at FSU.

I think it's fair to say Hand would've gotten more of an opportunity to showcase his talent at VT. I'm not saying he would've been a guaranteed star, just that it would've been easier to win a starting job.

While Texas Tech isn't a top 15 program - Brewer was a pretty solid contributor who played an even bigger (and vastly underappreciated by many) role in keeping the VT football program's head above water when it could have easily drowned.

Nevertheless, I get your point and have a hard time disagreeing.

If it came down to Riley Simonds or Burrell who would you rather have.

Simonds or Carroll over top him. Linemen have a hard time learning a new blocking scheme in one year. I would rather have them in system for a few years under Vice's system than try to puzzle piece this kid is and it not work out.

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