Hokies are No. 20 in the 2018 Preseason AP Poll

Virginia Tech comes in at No. 20 in the 2018 preseason AP Poll.

Other ACC Teams in the preseason poll are:

No. 2 Clemson
No. 8 Miami
No. 19 Florida State

Notre Dame landed at No. 12.

View the complete poll: https://collegefootball.ap.org/poll/2019/1.

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NC State and Boston College both receiving votes but not in. Our national perception may not approach a blue blood program, but it's nothing to scoff at either. It's been enough to get us that shiny number after a rough at best off-season while teams a lot of people consider to be rising are still on the outside.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I'm just here for the hot takes about conspiracy theories

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

you mean like "we're only ranked so ESPN's labor day game can be billed as a battle of two Top 25 teams?"

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"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

We didn't actually land on the moon.

TECH ONLY RANKED FOR TV RATINGS PAWWWWWWLLLL

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

The Earth is flat....
Ron Cherry is not

something something HAARP

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Microbreweries are all owned by foreign big beer conglomerates.

I can assure you of 1 that's not.

Shhh, don't ruin his conspiracy theory

yet

Recruit Prosim

Top 25 rankings can't melt steel beams.

"I mean, you know, fuck them, but good for them." -Too Druck to Funk

This feels right.

so any bets as to what we're ranked after we beat #19 FSU on Labor Day?

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FSU jumps to 15 for looking good in the loss

#qualityloss

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Seriously though, they wouldn't fall further than 20 I'd bet. In all honestly we'd probably just switch places with them

Warning- Filter lost.

"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

FREE THE "STICK IT IN" CHANT!!!

We would be 1 of only 3 ranked teams to beat another ranked team, and the only one to do so in their house. I would think we would jump Mississippi State and TCU even if they all beat SF Austin and Southern. If WVU beats Tennessee I doubt we jump them. #6 or #9 as well as #8 or #25 have to lose. I could see us going as high as like 15.

Recruit Prosim

Miami is still Bak in the eyes of everyone

gonna make our win over them look so good

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

That's what you said last year.

And I'll say it again next year, too!

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I just want you to be right this time.

Well, and every time.

I think it's a fair ranking given the depth and experience issues coming into this season. It's nice that we're getting some respect (outside of the possible ranking v. ranking for TV purposes).

Notre Dame is always over ranked. I don't care what they've done or might do.

LSU will be out of the top 25 by halftime. They're going to be so terrible this season.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Hm, I'm curious. What makes you think that?

My personal biases shaped by LSU's remarkable knack for taking 1st round offensive talent and doing nothing with it routinely. That reinforced by Orgeron hiring a man who has been an offensive coordinator for a grand total of one and a half seasons since 1998.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Exactly. And to add to this, a year before Orgeron hired an OC known for shifts and misdirection... and spent the year complaining about "the cute stuff" (shifts and misdirection) that his new OC was trying to run.

I'm not sure the guy really knows how to run a football team.

LSU along with Arizona St. are two teams I'm really excited to watch from a dumpster fire observation standpoint. I can't wait to watch LSU slam their halfback into Bama's front seven 50 times for 100 yards later this fall.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I think you added an extra 0 to "10".

It seems every year, LSU team is just a quality QB away from being back in the playoff/national championship contention.

Their QB situation's of a recent have been absolute POOP.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

And here I thought you were going to go with Marcus Davis

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I have a deep, dark disdain for Glennon like many do for Marcus. Almost our entire WR corps that he played with went pro. I had about two more paragraphs typed out but I'll just go with the above...I was about to go on a Futurama robot style Marcus Vick-esque rant.

Sometimes less is more.

Their defense should be excellent again, but their schedule is hauntingly tough. Bill Connelly had them as 16th in the S&P+ and projected to go 7-5, so that should give you an idea of what they are looking at week to week.

As someone who grew up a bayou bengals fan, I can say two things about this season for them:

1. They will make a bowl game on defense alone.

2. Coach O will be fired before their eighth game of the season, with good odds that the replacement will be Tennessee levels of underwhelming... cough cough... Fedora?... cough cough...

I like Fedora right where he is. 93-10 in two.

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I just want a Tennessee-style search for a replacement. I've got no beef with LSU, but UT-K's melodrama was so much fun to watc. It would be amazing to see someone replicate it.

A lot of that was because Tenn had unrealistic expectations about how valuable their job offer was and couldn't get anyone they wanted to bite. LSU is a legitimate high profile job.

Yeah, I don't expect it to happen. And the schadenfreude was extra tasty because it was UTenn, so it wouldn't be the same with most other programs (#keepBronco). It was just so entertaining to watch, and I wish we could have that fun again.

Is it bad that one of the main reasons (besides watching the Hokies) I'm excited for football to start is so that I can root against Tennessee? And yes, this means that I will be pulling for WVU next weekend. Sorry folks, come deal with them on a weekly basis like I do and you would agree. The enemy of my enemy....

Rooting for WVU?

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WVU vs UT-K?

I'm going with #TeamMeteor.

That is truly a matchup in which America loses

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

According to the Orlando Sentinel, LOLUva comes in at 94.

foresthokie
US Navy Vet

Thats way more unbelievable than us being at number 20.

Since you agree I ain't gonna let you drive this car to dinner and I agree you ain't gonna let me drive this car to dinner, there's only one way to settle this.

Truly, what 30 programs are actually worse than LOLUVA!

Woah, that's a little optimistic, donchathink?

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I like it - we're the best #20 team in the nation!

I feel good about 20 and better that we're behind F$U. Both may be inflated a bit but it's fair. I'd rather be the underdog in this current situation.

We were going to be the underdog regardless. Could have come in to the game ranked 10th and the FSU -6.5 line that Vegas has been floating would still place us as the underdogs.

I agree but I hate having the "lost to a team ranked lower" stat echoed later in the season when the reality of being the underdog is forgotten by casual college football fans.

I feel like this is the first preseason poll in a while that I really have no complaints about.

I mean, my complaint is that there's a preseason poll at all and rankings shouldn't start until week 4-5, but that's a different beast entirely :3

Is that a "chin balls" smiley???

"Badges? We don't need no stinking badges!"

This needs to become a TKP thing.

My approach is who cares? It's off-season fodder and the AP poll doesn't affect the playoff selection so have at it in the preseason.

It's Time to go to Work

I'm willing to bet decent money that the playoff selection committee is, in fact, biased by preseason rankings, no matter how hard they try not to be. Humans are human.

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

You are trying to tell me that the rankings that come out two weeks before the season starts has any appreciable affect on the playoff rankings that come out at the end of October? That's quite a stretch. Teams have played eight to nine games by then.

It's Time to go to Work

That's quite a stretch.

UCF would like to have a conversation with you.

That's a well-documented bias against G5 teams, nothing to do with the AP poll (in fact the AP consistently rated UCF higher, and typically does so for G5 teams)

Boise State was ranked #3 in the preseason poll the year we played them in 2010. If they went undefeated like UCF, Boise State would have likely played in the national championship.

A solid counterpoint was that TCU was ranked #6 in the preseason poll the same year, went undefeated and still didn't get a chance to play for a championship.

Just for funsies let's say that 70% of the acc teams are preseason top 25 teams. Now every game they play in conference has the appearance of being a tough game against a ranked opponent. So when the playoff looks back at the season to try comparing quality teams to each other they'll determine that the acc teams are all playing tough games against quality opponents and they'll rank them accordingly. Then when bowl season comes around the inflated rankings result in a bunch of acc teams getting matched up with much better teams from around the other conferences and get embarrassed, thus revealing the flaws with the system. Tell me something similar hasn't happened before. Preseason rankings absolutely have an impact.

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

Precisely. While not exactly the same, Ole Miss was still ranked in the AP Poll in the middle of 2016 despite being 3-3 at the time, by virtue of having lost to then-#4 FSU, #1 Bama, and then-#22 Arkansas, who would eventually finish unranked at 7-6. They weren't ranked in the first CFP rankings because they didn't come out until 2 weeks later, by which point Ole Miss had lost 2 more games, but considering those two games were against #25 LSU and #15 Auburn it's not too unrealistic to think they might have made the cut after splitting those games.

By the way, they were still receiving votes in the AP Poll at 5-5, before finally losing to Vandy and Miss State to close out the season. Little reason for that besides preseason perspectives clouding people's view of actual in-season results.

Maybe I just have a hard time seeing it since I watch a bunch of the games. The preseason AP poll affects later ones because writers don't have an opportunity to watch many games so they stick with the traditional movement of teams for wins and losses. The playoff committee is different since they have the opportunity to watch more games. You aren't going to convince me an AP preseason ranking affects the committees final rankings of the playoff committee.

It's Time to go to Work

Maybe I just have a hard time seeing it since I watch a bunch of the games.

What exactly do you think the rest of us do on Saturdays in the fall

I meant as opposed to AP voters.

It's Time to go to Work

The thing that's tough about bias is that it's nearly impossible to eradicate and in most cases humans don't even realize they are biased by something. There is certainly a bias, even if subconscious, created by preseason rankings. That said, any time there is any kind of human input bias will exist no matter how hard you try to be unbiased. So if you're splitting hairs on where the bias comes from that's fine. It's debatable. But if you're going to argue (and I don't necessarily think you are) that there is no bias at all then we just won't find any way to agree on the matter.

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

"ACC"

Causation is not correlation. Preseason rankings could be considered correlated with October CFP rankings. The confounding variable here is the general brand of the school (see Miami).

Marching Virginians - Bassline

The Ralph Russo interview on the PAPN addresses the AP is irrelevant argument very well. He says very openly it is totally clear the AP is not as relevant given the playoff; however, he thinks there is historical value that allows you to quickly understand the perceptions of the programs and the energy surrounding the game.

@hokie_rd

the preseason AP poll does have a practical purpose, although it may lead to the bias that is the issue.

The AP poll determines who gets covered. Determines whose score is on the crawl, whose games are picked by CBS and SI, determines whose replays get played over and over again. And if you're not in it, your coverage is thin at best.

You are correct. The fact that is if you are in the poll, you start off higher in perception than those who aren't, so you don't have to fight your way into perceived relevancy, which certainly does affect future rankings.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

The AP poll existing for so long means that college football is one of the very few sports in existence that contains a reliable historical record for how we expected teams to play, and how much they actually achieved. That's pretty damn cool, especially within a sport where so much is predicated on arguments and dubious boasts

It feels right that VT is ranked, but not too high.

It feels right that VT is the underdog vs FSU.

It's all coming together just fine.

How in the blue hell is Texas ranked? I have a better chance of starting at QB at Tech than Texas does of winning more than 6 games.

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

Yeah, but I bet you can throw a football over them mountains!

Quincy, is that you?

This pic has a very 'Captain America' vibe to it

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"So your body's changing..."

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They return a bunch of experience and have some decent newcomers for Tom Herman's 2nd season in Austin. If they ever find a good QB they'll immediately compete for a berth in the Big XII championship game.

That and they're like...1 of 2 decent defenses in the Big12.

I'm assuming TCU is the other?

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

You would be correct.

see most overrated coaches list in other thread.....

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

It's a preseason poll. They are legally obligated to have Texas, ND, and USC ranked.

seems legit

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Seems about right in respect to the direction of the program and the previous season. Simultaneously seems a little bullish given our unexpected attrition and NFL losses.

That said, early season rankings are primarily meant to drive discussion and add intrigue to early season games. So no need to get too upset or too excited about them. I don't think there's anything wrong with them, especially now that the CFP rankings start later in the season and are made from scratch.

"Dick to Hyman? DICK TO HYMAN!" - Guy in Lane Stadium crowd when Richard Johnson hit Josh Hyman on reverse pass in 2004.

19 vs. 20...pretty good for kickoff weekend.

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I think Iowa is a sleeper this year. They blew out OSU, but lost a bunch of close games last year. Their QB comes back and they've got a manageable schedule. Iowa St., Wisconsin, and N'Western at home while avoiding Ohio St, Mich St, and Michigan all together. I'm surprised they didn't sniff the top 25.

Losing the close games isn't nearly as good as winning them.

But it's worth keeping an eye on them.

Part of that blowout was because of their stud corner Josh Jackson, and he's gone. I'm not taking much stock in Iowa this year. I don't think they've shown any growth offensively to be able to keep up.

Northern Illinois has a legit shot to beat Iowa in week 1...they seem to play Iowa tough.

Ferentz really starting to remind me of late-in-career Beamer. Aside from annual studs on the OL, offense is not first priority and probably won't be as long as he's still there. (they had their own Stiney in Greg Davis for a while too.) But they do seem to put it all together for at least one killer game every year e.g. taking apart OSU. It'd be nice if they did that for several games a year, but the Hawkeyes are my team B, so beyond that I don't care much.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

If this is true, my Hawkeye bride would be pleased.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

Im glad we aren't ranked ahead of FSU like we are in the coaches poll. Being ranked around 20 seems about right.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

Just an opinion, but I think it's high. I'd rather we play into a 20 ranking. I'm already seeing articles saying we're overrated at that spot. I'd rather be able to prove people wrong than have them proven right.
I don't expect us to be in any sort of national contention this year. So, we don't need to start high to make our way up. Starting around 23 or 24 and moving up to 11-15 would be totally awesome.

But who would you put above us?

UCF minus their coaching staff and best player from last year? I don't think so.

Boise State after getting blown out at home by UVA? Hell no.

Texas or Oregon? Nope.

LSU is the only team behind us that I could justify putting ahead of us. Sometimes there just aren't enough known quantities to fill up the top 25.

LSU is liable to be a dumpster fire this year, I wouldn't put them ahead of us either. I'm convinced they're only #25 based on name recognition alone.

That Miami spread is, interesting.

@hokie_rd

They're 25 because they recruit at an elite level and have a top 5 DC in the country. They are one of only 13 teams to pass the blue-chip ratio, and did it fairly easily at 63% 4/5* players. Dumpster fire or not, that amount of talent is gonna win games. I certainly wouldn't argue against you if you said they're a 7-win type team, but I think it's pretty easy to see what others see in them.