Andy Bitter in legal battle with the Roanoke Times

Thought I'd share, apparently @AndyBitterVT is worth $150,000 and the Roanoke Times want control of the account. Despite mixed opinions on Bitter covering VT football, seems like this should be interesting.

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I think I'd go the troll route with something like @vtAndyBitter

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Did someone at the Roanoke Times register the account and then hand the credentials to Bitter? Otherwise I doubt they can prove that an account registered by Bitter on a platform like Twitter with his name in the handle could be some sort of company asset.

Also lol@ them claiming it's worth $150,000. That account isn't worth shit without Bitter running it. If it got turned over to the new beat writer at The Roanoke Times I'm unfollowing immediately.

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Apparently, they did.

https://www.richmond.com/sports/college/schools/virginia-tech/the-roanok...

The lawsuit cites the precedent that Bitter had inherited the handle from the previous reporter, Kyle Tucker, and that Bitter signed acknowledgement of the company handbook which stated that the account was company property. At the time Tucker handed the account over to Bitter, the paper was a part of Landmark Media Enterprises. It was sold to BH Media in 2013.

What are the chances that a guy named Kyle Tucker would create a Twitter handle called @AndyBitter ... only to have a guy named Andy Bitter succeed him at the newspaper?

Zero. I think this will go the way of domain names. At one point if you registered a domain like "coke.com" you could sell it to Coca Cola for a lot of money. It was then determined that was ridiculous and that "brands" by definition owned their domains. I doubt this would be any different for names and twitter handles. I think the Roanoke Times loses this one. Even if they win in court they still lose. No one is paying for their coverage of VT football. I subscribe to The Athletic because I get what I want for a price I'm willing to pay. I have zero interest anything other than VT Football with respect to the Roanoke Times and therefore I never subscribed.

I mean, I've changed my Twitter handle once.
The handle can change, but the account itself is static.

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It depends on if the courts rule that this Employee Handbook is a legally binding contract - and without looking at it, there is no way for us to have any idea for which the court would rule in favor.

That said, knowing the people behind The Athletic, I would not be surprised that this was the plan all along. Try to keep the handle knowing they still might lose in court. Even if they lose, it will drum up a ton of bad press for Roanoke Times in the process, so RT loses no matter what.

Edit: This article from The Washington Post gives some more insight:
A sports reporter took a new job. Now his former newspaper is suing over a Twitter account.

The Roanoke Times spells it out right in its handbook: Employees who have been issued "Company-owned information assets, keys or other access items must return them to the Company upon termination of employment," according to a lawsuit filing this week in federal court.

Does that policy also include the keys to social media accounts maintained by its reporters? That's what the Virginia newspaper is now arguing.

While reporters often change jobs, they don't typically relinquish their social media accounts. They often continue using the same account — sometimes with a different handle — to promote their new employer's content while engaging with the same audience of followers.

"A lot of journalists have Twitter accounts before they came to a company," said Kelly McBride, a senior vice president at the Poynter Institute and leading media ethicist, who described this as a complicated case without much legal precedent. A Twitter account in this context "is sort of similar to Rolodex, which in most cases a reporter did own," McBride said

Obviously the second part remains murky because Andy took over an existing account - but how often have we seen reporters go from one media company to another (or to none at all and still break the biggest CFB stories) while using the same social media accounts?

This little bit from the Twitter Terms of Service may be the key:

You may use the Services only if you agree to form a binding contract with Twitter and are not a person barred from receiving services under the laws of the applicable jurisdiction. In any case, you must be at least 13 years old, or in the case of Periscope 16 years old, to use the Services. If you are accepting these Terms and using the Services on behalf of a company, organization, government, or other legal entity, you represent and warrant that you are authorized to do so and have the authority to bind such entity to these Terms, in which case the words "you" and "your" as used in these Terms shall refer to such entity.

Was Kyle authorized to bind his employer? My guess is no. If Kyle could not bind the Pilot and therefore the RT then I suppose that means Kyle bound himself. In doing so he may be the owner.

I would've figured unless it has the media organizations name in the handle it'd be his to keep since it's not advertising their orgs name to validate their handle to followers. Some of the folks at ESPN have it like @DanMurphyESPN for example.

Bigger question would be what does Andy do when he stops covering VT? Lol

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I think it has to do with the followers. Andy can change the name on his handle and you'd still be following him. So what the Roanoke times wants is the account so they can change the handle and rename it.

As stupid as it sounds, the concept might have some weight to it, but I doubt they'll win. If they do, it will deff set some interesting precedent.

It will be interesting to follow, that's for sure. There's no doubt Andy helped grow the following, but both Tucker and the Roanoke Times contributed too. Unless there was an agreement to the contrary, the Twitter account seems like any other tool or piece of equipment (laptop, car, etc...) you'd hand back over to your company after you leave for a new job.

I think part of the problem is that Kyle Tucker started when employed for the VA Pilot and handed it to Bitter when he took over Kyle's Job. When the Roanoke Times and VA Pilot quit being owned by the same company Andy transitioned to the Roanoke Times. Thus the company it was actually started for is no longer in the equation.

Along the same lines it's possible KT started it as his personal account, gave it to AB, and no paper had any "ownership" of it. As I said before, should be interesting to see how it plays out. It could set quite a precedent.

Right now, Bitter is definitely winning in the court of public opinion.

It's a good question of who really owned the account in the first place. There is this from KT himself.

Sounds to me that KT gave it to AB, and not the RT

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Potentially very interesting development here.

this only matters if it can be demonstrated that Tucker's account was not property of the Pilot. Even if Tucker started the account on his own if it was part of his contract it's Pilot property, add to the fact that if it was indeed Tucker's personal account then why would he give it up to AB? Why would he not just keep it and change the handle to where he was going to? Sure, because fans are different but if the value is in subscribers you would keep the value you have and hope some of those VT followers stayed on to follow Tucker because they like Tucker. Anyone here still follow him? That would be a simple test.

So if Tucker started the account while in employ with the Pilot and it is indeed deemed Pilot property, and then the Pilot was bought out by the Times then it is Times property.

anyway, interesting case.

That tweet followed this tweet...

Not sure who is laughing at not deleting emails. I don't do that either.

Emails between him and the Pilot about his twitter and his actual contract with the Pilot would be most interesting. I'm not against AB on this. While I no longer read his material I fully support his right to his twitter if it's his.

Based on the cryptic nature of KT's current set of tweets "commenting" on it, this is a solid hypothesis.

Pretty good point. Like most legal cases, they'll probably meet somewhere in the middle (although I have no idea what that looks like... maybe the RT gives Btter some $$ to get the entirety of the account and the case gets settled?).

Even if Bitter loses the account, it appears the RT is getting some bad publicity from this and makes Bitter look like somewhat of the victim ($150k? really?) and this is most deff great publicity for The Athletic, that's for sure.

Sounds like the Roanoke Times is...a little Bitter

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(Roger Daltry scream) Or was it Pete Townsend "who" did that?

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Interesting how they think the name "Andy Bitter" is more valuable to them than it is to... you know, Andy Bitter

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It's not the name you can change the name and handle just like Andy did when given the account from Tucker. They don't want to lose clicks just having that many followers would give them.

They can have the account. But it remains to be seen how many followers they'll keep. I'll be unfollowing this one and following Andy's new account.

If it is company property, or in some sense belongs to the Roanoke Times, why tf didn't they make him put some version of Roanoke Times in the handle?

I'd be interested to know how many followers there were when Tucker was there versus when AB left. The percentage that were there already is roughly what the RT is due of the value of the handle.

Exactly, the $150K is probably 3 years salary for Andy

So... here's how it plays out.
If Andy Bitter registered the name, he was then being paid to posts as the reporter for the Roanoke Times. He needs to go back and delete all posts made while in the employ of the Roanoke Times. Then the account is his.

If the he was given the account by the Roanoke times, he's SOL.

Moral of the story: keep your work and personal lives separate. If you're being paid by someone to do something, it probably belongs to them.

He had an account before Roanoke Times, almost certainly. I know Kyle Tucker kept his handle when he left that beat to do the Kentucky one.

I think it's actually he exact opposite, oops.

By my memory, I thought Bitter took over Tucker's old account and changed the handle.

Yeah, I think I am just plain wrong on this one. I originally thought I had to follow a new account when Bitter joined, but I must be mistaken.

This is it. I just went back to 2010 and the tweets are from Kyle Tucker (based on the reply tweets being @kyletucker).

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

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Also, note that the account is verified now. I believe this was previously a regular account, until today?

He had been verified for a little over a year.

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The three writers providing VT coverage since Bitter departed:
Mark Berman - 2913 followers
Mike Barber - 7830 followers
Aaron McFarling - 6200 followers

While Andy Bitter has 27.2k followers. Looks like the Roanoke times has a case of sour grapes.

Mike Barber doesn't even technically work for the Roanoke Times. He writes for Richmond Times Dispatch and I guess the Roanoke Times runs his stories because they are owned by the same parent company.

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Meanwhile at The Athletic Headquarters......

Rovell picking up on this. Probably will be followed closely by a lot of media people with precedent decision on the line.

Speaking for all of the past, present and futures players of Pritchard Hall, we got your back Andy.

WTF, I'm a former Pritchard Hall Hokie and I don't support Andy on this one so you don't speak for me. It appears like he didn't return what he was supposed to return...pretty unethical if you ask me.

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Errr. Other Pritchard Hall Hokie here. Andy Bitter aside, how is this unethical at the moment based off the evidence on hand? When I followed Andy Bitter I knew who I was following. Andy always used it for his personal opininons on matters and that's not something that should transfer.

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Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

when you leave a job, it is ethical to return everything to your former employer that you are supposed to return to your former employer. To me it appears as unethical as if Andy kept his former employer's laptop computer...and the value of the account, while perhaps in question, still seems quite a bit more than if he just kept his old desk stapler...

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When I was an equipment mechanic, the customers I had wanted me and not the company I worked for. Switching jobs they followed me because my personal email was on my card, as my employers previous did not provide me with one (card or company email). So we're my previous employers entitled to the work I earned by building rapport with my former customers? Or we're the customers entitled to follow me due to the service they we're used to me providing to them?

It wasn't @RTVTFOOTBALLANDYBITTER

It was @AndyBitterVT

If they had a problem with it they should have changed it long ago.

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

unless you sign a non-compete you can attract your clients after you leave your current work. However an employee is legally restricted from taking company information or property with them when they leave. This includes client contact information. However that being said it's not like it is hard to copy that information or collect on your own accord. When I left my last corporate job I had a database of 300 plus clients.

the issue with AB's twitter account is different than this.

Andy Staples has joined Team Bitter

The alleged value of the account is the most ludicrous part when you consider that all of the value of the account comes from Andy Bitter. If they take his handle, he will make another one and most of his active followers will unfollow that old account and follow his new one.

People aren't nearly that proactive. I'd wager that the vast majority of people following that account will continue following the next guy, whether they want to or not. Most people don't probably won't notice, and the sliver of those that do notice AND care will likely still be interested in following the next guy as well. When it comes to anything user interface related, you can bet that 90%+ of all users will do what is the default for them, which means probably ~25k followers for Roanoke Times. I don't know how you put a value on that, but it's definitely there.

And all of that isn't even mentioning the fact that 99% of people following bitter started following him because he became the beat writer at RT, not to mention he inherited all of the other guys' follows as well.

I disagree. Inactive followers provide no value to the account because they aren't clicking the links and getting page views and ad revenue up. I specified that his active followers will likely switch to continue following him, because they are following him for his VT reporting, of which he will continue doing for The Athletic. Now will the old account still have some number of followers, certainly, but the value is incredibly small for inactive followers who aren't clicking links or sharing the articles.

Also, we switched to Bitter because Kyle Tucker switched teams (Kentucky) to cover. It only made sense to follow Bitter if you wanted to receive VT news. This situation is different because Bitter is still covering VT, so we now have the option to follow Bitter for VT news, not the RT.

I would argue inactive followers provide a nominal value of adding to an account's follower count and therefore perceived authority of a space/niche.

Sure, I probably shouldn't have said "no" value. Though I do think the value of inactive followers is small, especially within a niche community such as "VT Football News" as many of us are already well acquainted with Bitter and in this case, many of us are hearing about this crazy lawsuit situation. I think their perceived authority will apply more to new entrants into this market (VT Sports coverage) but I don't have any numbers on how significant that group is. I assume that a large chunk of the pre-existing population on twitter who follow VT sports are well aware of both the RT and Bitter already, so the follower count will be less meaningful to those who understand the context of this situation.

That's the whole point, you didn't have to "switch" to Bitter, you were automatically doing it, and the RT got value out of it. Most people probably won't take any action, because action is hard and people are distracted on the internet. Another sizable contingent will actively want to follow the latest beat reporter. Some will want to unfollow and re-follow the new Bitter. We could argue all day about how big each of those categories are, but the fact is those first two categories will have some followers, and those followers provide value. I'm not going to try to put a dollar amount on it, but there is certainly some value there, and that's what the RT wants. Whether that's $150k worth, I guess that's for the courts to decide.

Plus this is just how lawsuits seem to operate. Shoot for the moon and settle for something significantly less.

By shooting for the moon, they ended up shooting themselves in the foot!

I don't remember seeing this version of the quote in the Inspirational Quotes section of Barnes & Noble.

That might be my favorite tkp post ever. Or I might just be drunk.

It must be somewhere in the lawsuit section...

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all of the value of the account comes from Andy Bitter

If you said the same thing but substituted "Kyle Tucker" for "Andy Bitter", would that still ring true? Not sure that it would. The value comes from the reporter that is tweeting content through it, be it Kyle Tucker or Andy Bitter or his replacement. Andy Bitter did a lot to increase the follows to that account, but so did Kyle Tucker, and so theoretically would his replacement.

I agree, though, that the value attached by RT is ridiculous.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Yeah, except at the time the VP and RT were more viable sources of Hokie information. Newspapers have grown increasingly irrelevant since then, and Bitter has been on the VT beat for awhile. Another large difference is that we had to continue following the new VT beat writer if we wanted to continue to get VT news from it, because Kyle Tucker moved on to Kentucky sports. In this case, Bitter is still covering VT, and people who actively follow Andy Bitter for his VT coverage will likely follow him where he goes (The Athletic) instead of continuing with the next RT guy they find.

I imagine I am a minority here, but literally the single reason I would ever click on Roanoke Times was to read Andy Bitter.

McFarling is good, but he was a secondary read.

The rest of the sports writers are ok to so-so to unreadable.

And the rest of the paper is a rag in my experience.

No Bitter = far less clicks to RT for me.

I am in that group with you. I hold no loyalty to the the RT. In contrast, I have followed Bitter for many years and do place value on his coverage of VT sports. Therefore, I am willing to continue following Bitter for his VT sports coverage, and have no interest in ever visiting the RT website ever again.

Same, which is a shame because I do like McFarling's stuff but I've always considered Berman's stuff and the rest of the paper not even fitting for a bird cage liner.

In my opinion, your opinion of the Roanoke Times is wrong. I've been stuck in bigger places with crappier papers. For the region, the RT does a good job and I enjoyed receiving it for the 26 years I lived in the New River Valley.

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My opinion is based on 34 years in the New River Valley and 8 years in Richmond. Bill Brill, Mark Berman, Dan Casey. Need I say more?

Again, that is your opinion. I love Dan Casey, don't mess with Berman, and Bill Brill was gone a long time ago. And I'll say this about Brill. I used to write letters giving him a hard time about VT coverage, and one day he called me and invited me out for beer and lunch. I used to fish with Mark Taylor, the RT outdoor writer at the time. There is more to the paper than VT, and there are a lot of people who didn't care for the RT editorial position, never a problem for me. I won't make any public assumptions about your dislike for the paper, but no, you need say no more, I think I know where you are coming from. If you're looking for a real rag to rag on, my ten years of having to subscribe to the Daily Progress as an excuse for a newspaper leads me to suggest it as an example of a true rag. Where I live now, I'm stuck with the Richmond Times, but as an old guy, I want my newspaper in my grubby paws every morning so I live with the best local paper I can actually get delivered.

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I must be in that minority as well. Bitter over McFarling. I liked some of the podcast stuff Bitter did with McFarling. I followed Bitter on Twitter because of Bitter. I have no clue who the Tucker guy is.

If RT wins this, I will definitely unfollow their prized handle and follow whatever Bitter comes up with.

I have also taken note that Bitter's account is now verified as is McFarling's. Have they been this way? To me it seems to have been done today or very recently. Edit: Thanks to Fireman for pointing out that Bitter's account has been verified over a year. Assuming McFarling's has similar time frame. I wonder if this factors into the equation at all? Did each reporter get the account verified or did the paper itself do the work?

Ehhh......I don't care much about this, but I would argue that....

all of the value of the account comes from Andy Bitter

....maybe the RT did provide some value by, you know, paying Mr. Bitter. If they didn't pay Mr. Bitter, he wouldn't provide any value. Chicken/egg?

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Oh shit, they're onto us!

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If this does go through, a reddit post to /r/CFB could net Bitter significantly more followers in a day. RT with a real bad look here.

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Ok I'm confused. I know you can change the name of the account but didn't know you could change the (AT name) part. Like mine is {AT}FF_Hokie NAME Hokie Fireman. Because some person a long time ago got the (AT) Hokie Fireman account.

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Yeah it's easy just go to your settings and privacy, account, and just change your username to whatever you want

It's really easy.
- Go to Settings and Privacy
- Under Account, enter the Username you want to change to, it will instantly tell you if it is available.

Well SOB, just learned that.

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There there, Hokie Fireman. No need to cry about it.

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"cry about it" anagrams to "racy bit out"

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

So sez "Bobbitt belly tales".

Cool that the Roanoke Times responded to losing their most popular sports reporter by setting fire to the front lawn over 27k Twitter followers.

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It is a good way to make sure people don't follow the next guy. Not sure they were going for that.

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The goal is to get the Athletic's money men to write a check to make this go away before things get really expensive.

And another example of why newspapers are becoming more irrelevant by the day. Even if they win this battle, they will still lose the war.

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This is in no way a shot at bitter or defense of RT, hell i even joined the athletic to continue reading his stuff...but I'm shocked that he thought he could keep his handle, this case seems about as open-and-shut as you can get if what's said above is true. RT handed him the account, and he inherited those followers from the last guy, he then managed the account for his time as an employee. Now that he's left, the account that the RT opened and gave him access to reverts back to the employer. Unless Bitter got some extraordinarily prescient clause put in his contract that said he'd retain control, I don't see how he can have a case. Every employment contract i've ever come across has been crystal clear about the company owning anything and everything you use for your job.

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That team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

Give 'em hell Andy

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Mark Berman sucks.

Must be related to Chris because they both blow duck ballz!

Its not for lack of trying, he just can't keep up

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That burn...

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Bitter was stone cold in his reply. "You should try reporting on Virginia Tech."

And Bitter euthanized Berman with his reply.

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No hard feelings in this parting of ways..../s

Bitter from the top rope!

Using /s is for cowards.

holy shit that was savage

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The Athletic version of Andy Bitters takes no prisoners.

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The Athletic version of Andy Bitter...

I like this saltier version of Bitter.

Bitter and salty all in one package.

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As a salt and vinegar aficionado, I approve.

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You know Andy has read this sub thread and really wants to respond but knows he probably shouldn't given the legal specifics of his situation.

Using /s is for cowards.

Andy is an awful beat reporter and he should lose all the lawsuits!

Now we wait...

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Well played sir. You have shut this shit down before it even started. I'll pay your TKP membership if you can get anyone from the RT to say shenanigans before it's settled.

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The even bigger question is do you have to give up this account too along with all your turkey legs? In my opinion, those turkey legs are worth way more than the $150G in Twitter followers! Just sayin'.

My employer tries to get employees to turn over logins/passwords to their personal Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn accounts so they can send out marketing stuff over our personal accounts. Most, including me, have refused to turn over the info.

WTF. Run Away!

That's a much different situation than this. You should definitely refuse that

Definitely different. Just wanted to post another example of what I think is employer over reach on social media accounts. They've only asked, not threatened or coerced. The only people who agreed are the ones who are scared to say no.

Yeah, no... that's a well known tactic that companies use to gain access to your personal information to find anything they can fire you for. Steer clear of any and all of that, and I'd highly suggest locking those accounts down so only your contacts can view that information, because it certainly seems like your company is one to go prying.

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That's unethical, a violation of each site's ToS, and it might even be illegal, especially if they ever tried to tie continued employment to it.

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The Roanoke Times has been out of whack for years. Bitter and McFarling were the only good thing about it. #TeamAndy

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Kevin Myatt (weather columnist) is the only thing Roanoke Times related I read now....

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According to the lawsuit, 1 follower is worth ~$5.51.

Twitter account for sale, only used to rt VT football during church on Sundays. No tweeting @croots. 5 followers - $15 obo.

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$15? You know what, I've got a buddy that's an expert on Twitter handles. Let me see what he thinks.

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It's worth noting that when Kyle handed over the account, it was to go cover Kentucky. He didn't necessarily care about keeping a large following of VT fans. Andy is covering the same subject matter just with a different employer. It behooves him to keep his current followers list.

The RTD articles mentions two things. The first:

The lawsuit cites the precedent that Bitter had inherited the handle from the previous reporter, Kyle Tucker,...

I mean sure, Kyle could have handed his account over in good faith but again, why did he care about his VT following when he was going to write about a different school in a different conference? I don't see anything in that that would make Andy legally obligated to hand over the account.

Then there is this:

...Bitter signed acknowledgement of the company handbook which stated that the account was company property.

If he signed a document that specifically mentioned the Twitter account, I think Andy has a tough case. If BH Media can produce a signed document showing the account as company property that is going to be very difficult to argue against.

Personally, I hope Andy wins here. I think once your name goes on something, it's yours. That account is as much Andy's personality and style as it is access to information via the media company he works(ed) for. Legally, it sounds like BH has a compelling argument.

Long term, BH may win this battle but you gotta think reporters will be making a point to not sign away their social media presence from here on out. This also doesn't help print media's perception at a time where they really could use some good PR.

My name is on all my emails, and all the contacts, reports, analyses, and generally everything I produce at work. They are my employer's property and I don't get to take them physically with me if I leave and certainly don't have ownership. In return, I get a salary.

@hokie_rd

Fair point. But I also bet your company's name and logo are on all those documents.

I see both sides here. I just personally find myself siding with Andy here. That doesn't mean that legally he's in the right.

If BHM wins, all followers of that handle need to unfollow. BHM/RT is gonna lose even if they win in court.

Just need to start following @AB4VT or whatever the new handle might be...

Honestly, if RT gave him a phone from which he ran the twitter account that they gave to him originally, I don't see what legs he has to stand on. He probably knows that he is going to lose this battle and will eventually give up the twitter account. Until then, he will continue to use the twitter handle and the publicity he is getting from this lawsuit to further promote The Athletic. Probably why RT wants the twitter handle in the first place; he is using their property to promote the competition.

Love the Jabs...what doesn't make sense is that it actually says AndyBitter in it, if they were smart they would have named it RoanokeTimesVTFootball or something along the line and then they could keep switching people

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I think that and the fact that it's a verified account for Andy Bitters, not for RT, makes it tricky.

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Andy has no doubt built his own brand and following through his years on the VT beat. That being said, this situation is not a lot different from a research scientist whose invention is the property of the company that paid for the research even if the scientist's name is on the patent. It sounds as if the Roanoke Times treats digital media as intellectual property or else why would they have required the sign off in the first place.

When I was a CEO, I once had a departing salesperson who protested when he was not allowed to take all of his business contact info with him. While it was true that he had done the legwork to develop many of these contacts, this was in fact what the company had paid him to do. Therefore, sales contacts were deemed company property along with his computer and cell phone.

Talented people take their transferable skills with them. I think that Andy is talented enough to thrive without the RT accounts. Hopefully he did not pitch his new company on hiring him because he would automatically bring them 27K followers.

this situation is not a lot different from a research scientist whose invention is the property of the company that paid for the research even if the scientist's name is on the patent.

If that weren't the case, my family would be billionaires. But alas, we are not.

My grandfather and his lab mate 'invented' Nitinol when they were in the Navy together (Nickel-Titanium Alloy, invented at the Naval Ordinance Laboratory). His name is on the patent, but all we got from it is a bunch of samples and a letter stating that the Navy acknowledges his contributions.

I'm confused. Isn't the internet a series of tubes?

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Yes. Well...sometimes. That's something of a myth/suburban legend.

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Not Anymore, they made it wireless and put it in a box at the top of Big Ben in London:

Since the URL for the Roanoke Times is roanoke.com are they claiming ownership of all of Roanoke? /s

But now who will @ what to whom?

(I don't know but the answer is not Quin Blanding)

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Set the password to this or to something really offensive and give the account back hahaha

I'm sure I have an opinion on this. But until I actually know any of the actual details which might decide such a legal dispute, I'm going to refrain from announcing it to the Key Play.

You really should post your insight here anyways. In fact, I dare you...

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If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

In the worst case scenario if I am Andy, I would create another twitter account, go follow all 27k followers of the current account (most people would follow back), then I would delete all tweets, followers and following and hand the account back to the RT completely cleaned.

1-0 every week

Assuming the Twitter account has real world value (I'm not sure it does, but the court may say so) that's the equivalent of cleaning out you and your soon to be ex-wife's savings account after the judge signs the divorce decree. That's not a good thing to do.

That's risky because if the courts side with RT he could be sued for damages similar to wrecking the office on your way out.

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I mean, I'd gladly voluntarily unfollow the account if either Andy created a new one. Especially if it happened before any judgments or settlements, and then if the RT tried to sue him for additional damages I'd gladly testify as a witness in the case claiming that I chose to unfollow the account because of the actions of the Roanoke Times and that I was not asked to do so by any party.

Just do the first part. Don't delete anything. And this is a good plan of action.

The part that the RT obviously hasn't realized is that fans will go where the good content is. A twitter account has no intrinsic value. To the extent that Kyle and Andy have built a loyal following, it's because they provided content that the fans found valuable. Even if the RT is successful in (re?)acquiring the account from Andy, it will quickly lose all value if the fans go elsewhere. There's a corollary to the Streisand Effect going on here in that the publicity being generated in no way benefits the RT.

The best part for Andy is that as long as he doesn't go scorched earth[1], he comes out of this smelling like roses. Either he keeps the account and 27k followers, or he's seen as the victim of a petty, vindictive newspaper that's desperate to hold on to what little influence it has left. As others have noted, one post to r/cfb and he'll eclipse 27k in 24hrs.

[1] Aside from torching Berman, that is.

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--unknown

So, they brought up this story on Morning Edition on NPR this morning. While they said very little about it, they did say something that struck me as puzzling in the least. They said that one of the issues the Roanoke TImes had was that Bitter used the Twitter account to drum up support for The Athletic after his move there, which the Roanoke Times claimed was a direct competitor.

The Athletic a direct competitor of the Roanoke Times? Really? I'd say that's a bit of a stretch.

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- The BoD

They hired RT's own beat writer to stay and be the competition. It's not a stretch at all.

Fair point. I guess I was thinking in the more general sense of the entirety of the RT versus the entirety of The Athletic. If you think about just RT's online clicks from the VT beat it makes perfect sense.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Walmart and Amazon are direct competitors, despite the fact that each provides products and services that the other doesn't.

The Athletic is attempting to compete with the local sports pages of numerous newspapers around the country, including part of the Roanoke Times'. If call that "competition".

I agree it is competition and the RT is bitter that The Athletic is awesome.

I took advantage of a discount and subscribed to the Athletic right after Andy announced his hiring . I also follow the Hawkeyes, the Cubs, and the Niners along with the Hokies. I get GREAT local coverage for all of my teams in one spot with only having to pay for one subscription. To me, there is extreme value in that. The beat writer at Iowa is really good too and I am so much more informed on Iowa's team than I have been in years.

BH Media is just upset they didn't think of The Athletic's model first so they're trying to hit back in a very silly manner. I agree with Andy's response to Berman that they should focus on actually covering Virginia Tech and try to compete. If Andy makes a new account, I'm dumping the current one and following his.

Found AB's alternate TKP account

/s

That made me chuckle, have a leg.

They're on to me! Abort! Abort!

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Its making the rounds everywhere. They were talking about it down here in Raleigh on 99.9 yesterday, so its legitimately a big story, and its one that will set a precedent throughout the industry on how Twitter handles are 'owned'. The guys sided with the RT only because they were operating with the understanding that the account was set up for Kyle Tucker by the RT when he was there, and passed along to Bitter when he left, but from what KT was saying yesterday, that might not necessarily be the case. If the RT never had ownership of the account, and KT can prove that, then this has massive legal ramifications down the line. Effectively, it becomes, if you have a blue checkmark next to your name and you leave your company, do you have to leave that account behind, because the verification process is doing so through the work email system.

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The Athletic a direct competitor of the Roanoke Times? Really? I'd say that's a bit of a stretch.

I think the Athletic is a direct competitor of RT, but I'm not sure that matters, unless Bitter signed some sort of non-compete.

Twitter me

I think a lot of people are confusing a twitter handle and a twitter account. Andy can change the handle but it keeps the same followers, tweets, etc. It's petty, but I think the Times has a case here. Especially if any contracts were signed with language saying the account was company property.

Obviously this course of action is only going to hurt the Times and whoever has the unfortunate job of replacing Andy.

hahaha, that's fantastic. Certainly has won the court of public opinion.

Hiring young people to run social media accounts of bowls/companies/etc. has led to some wonderful results.

See @Wendys for the canonical example of twitter done right.

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--unknown

I'm missing something here.

Click here to destroy wall.

The Camping World Bowl decided that since our beat writer's team played in their bowl game last year, they might stake some kind of legal claim to his Twitter handle.

In 2016, we played in the Belk Bowl. The Belk Bowl is checking with their legal department to see if they can claim his Twitter handle, too.

Basically, they're poking fun at the Roanoke Times for claiming Andy's (alleged) Twitter handle.

Best twitter account period.

Admiral Buzz is less consistent and also missed a great opportunity to drag the bejesus out of UVA for their historic tournament loss as overall #1 seed in the opening round against #16 seed UMBC

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Sounds like the big problem is that when he hired on he inherited the account and signed something noting that it was property of the paper. Odds are he will lose the account or his new employer will need to buy it out.

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There is nothing in any of the news articles that mentions anything that explicitly references the Twitter account. The employee handbook in question doesn't even mention social media accounts in the excerpt in the accusation. This is secondary to the fact that it's unclear the paper ever possessed the account. It's entirely possible the previous owner turned it over directly to Andy Bitter. My suggestion would be wait until you find out both sides before you set odds.

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When I leave a job, the contacts and information stay there. The company does not have to explicitly list everything that they have rights to. Bitter will lose in court. With all of this media coverage, he'll do the same or better getting attention for his new Twitter handle.

They can't take a personal account. It's not comparable to your work analogy no matter how much you want it to be. It's much more nuanced than that and to act like it's not is willful ignorance.

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Let me know where I can at up a personal Twitter account which already comes with thousands of followers.

That's where I see Bitter losing the case.

It is a poor argument to just assume the Virginian Pilot owned the account because Kyle Tucker had followers. If he started the account of his own volition the newspaper doesn't get ownership of it just because he used it to share his work. If it's his own account he could have donated it to the paper for the purpose of transferring to the next writer which would give VP ownership, or he could have decided to give it to the next writer directly which doesn't give VP ownership.

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Odds are he used his position and company time to build the following of the account. Much like a sales person building up a database this account was built with the help of the paper. If you look at the account it was based around VT football. He didn't post cat memes and other things that one might do with a personal account. It was clearly based around his job. Andy is doing his best to win in the court of public opinion. Even if he loses in court he is getting more exposure.

The other issue for Andy is that unless the Atlantic is bankrolling this lawsuit, lawyers get really expensive real fast. In the case of them bankrolling him, you could even make the argument that the Atlantic is doing it to get the twitter followers. I would assume there is limited case law on this and owning a twitter account. I would assume most other cases that might be built on would favor ownership for the company.

In the end it will be neat to see legal precedent set on this.

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Its always 110 Holden...said every mining engineer ever.

He didn't post cat memes and other things that one might do with a personal account.

In the case of [the Atlantic] bankrolling him, you could even make the argument that the Atlantic is doing it to get the twitter followers.

Well, given these two points, Andy better start posting more memes on his new twitter account (assuming he makes one) so that this lawsuit doesn't happen again if he leaves The Athletic.

MOAR MEMES, ANDY!

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Bruce Feldman has jumped between ESPN, Sports Illustrated, Fox and The Athletic using the same Twitter account across all of his employers.

It's a little different with Bitter since the account was not his when it started.

Is it really, though? Other than if the Roanoke Times can prove that the account was theirs - it doesn't matter if anyone else owned it before Andy. A personal account passed from one person to another should remain a personal account. What that person does with it is up to them.

Exactly. The thing is we don't know for sure what happened with Andy's account, whether he received it from Kyle personally or if it was through the paper.

Feldman's has always been in his possession.

If the account was given to him through RT then I would guess Bitter most likely doesn't truly posses the account or the followers. If he got it from Tucker but it never went through RT he might have more of a leg to stand on. What I'm curious about is if he got it from Tucker specifically because he was leaving RT and thought Bitter should have it.

Did he have a twitter presence before RT? Did he stop using it because of the RT related account? This could be fun to see play out since social media is so new. A TV channel doesn't own your face or public persona because you worked there for 10 years.

I think I posted an excerpt from the Twitter Terms and Conditions about opening an account. Twitter considers the account the property of a company ONLY if the person opening it up can legally bind that company to an agreement. Kyle Tucker probably did not have that authority. That means that Kyle Tucker bound himself.

The thing about those terms and conditions is they dubiously binding at best. They can literally include things that are illegal and have previous precedent. Facebook got into some hot water because they were selling photos people posted since in the ToU they own everything posted even if it was previously copyrighted by another party.

Car manufacturers went through the same thing when they claimed that aftermarket parts voided all manufacturer warranties because it broke software terms.

Yes but the entire agreement is not void only if parts of it are. That is usually covered by some kind of "separation clause". Regardless, the point is that Kyle Tucker did not have the authority to bind his employer.

Trying to take the current situation and pigeonholing it in to an ill-fitted analogy isn't helping your point. A writer had a very different job than a sales person. Metrics indicate Twitter does not dramatically impact page views so you would have to have compelling reasoning as to why followers should be counted as customers for the paper. You are operating under the assumption that his contract specifies a requirement to advertise the work on social media, which so far I haven't seen anything to definitively state if it does or not. If you argue the paper has a right to a private account because some of the content is work related it would set a dangerous precedent.

It's Time to go to Work

Metrics indicate Twitter does not dramatically impact page views...

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

For your viewing pleasure. Link
Here is where I got my initial quote. Getting called out for not sharing is what I get for being lazy.

It's Time to go to Work

Now I'm curious how David Hale came up with that.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

It is understood by many in media industries that followers does not translate in to clicked. That is why all the different ways to measure engagement exist, it's correlates much better. Hale probably doesn't have to go far considering ESPN has it's own data that likely bears this out.

It's Time to go to Work

So until we know how the twitter account was made and by who, I can't say who will win this or who should even win. I will say that a someone who isn't on twitter and really only reads tweets when they are embedded here or part of a meme. I had no idea that the account that Andy uses isn't his personal twitter account. The fact that it could have been a work account never crossed my mind, mostly because if it's a company's twitter then the name is usually on it, sometimes even a logo. Andy's looks like any other person's twitter that does self promotional work, he just had a professional platform that he could show his work off on.

Does the content of the tweets have any impact on this case? In reviewing the @AndyBitterVT tweets, it does appear that a vast majority of the post are directly related to his coverage of VT Football, his profession for the Roanoke Times (not a freelance journalist).

Does the frequent posting of links to other publications indicate that this account is only VT Football centric, not Roanoke Times centric?

Do the tweets that are unrelated to his work for the Roanoke Times in covering VT Football indicate that this is a forum for his own interest and that his professional and personal interest are coincidental in relation to VT Football?

Would the existence of another, strictly personal, twitter account for A. Bitter have any impact on the perspective of this account to the court?

My general impression is that this account was used in a manner to bolster his credibility as the VT Football reporter for the Roanoke Times and is not about a contacts list a salesman would need. I can appreciate both sides of the suit.

While Andy has good takes on VT Football, he built his twitter following largely based on the fact that he had credibility by being employed by a reputable news source, as well as pre-existing followers coming from his predecessor who, was also employed (and bolstered) by the Roanoke Times. The fact is, I can see both sides of this suit and would really have few gripes about it going in either direction.

From what I've seen, it seems like the big question is the origin of the account. If Kyle Tucker created it himself, and passed it over to Bitter as a professional courtesy when he left, then I would imagine that it could be argued that it was never property of the Roanoke Times. If Tucker was instructed to create the account by his superiors at the paper, or if someone at the paper made it for him, then I could see the RT "winning". Either way, Bitter has already won the battle for public perception, and will likely not suffer much regardless of the outcome.

Well said. Twitter is a lot of perception, humor, information, and trash. It's a cheap way to spew out anything. It may not matter if RT wins the legal championship belt for this petty suit. Bitter will garner more support either way and be semi-famous for being at the center of a new legal precedent. He is being humorous about it and I think people appreciate that more than being overly serious or legalistic.

Yeah. I know nothing about this type of law, but my legal advice in a situation like this would be 'lol who cares, you've effectively already won, we're not blowing a ton of money on this thing. Unless you want to. I need money.'

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Hmmm started by the RT

Bitter 1 - 0 Roanoke Times??

That team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

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Haha what can I say? I'm a glass half full kinda guy

That team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

What's this say...facebook is blocked at work.

Started a Facebook page. Notice the Facebook Handle @VTInsiderRT

Quick someone go grab that twitter handle...

Oh, if AB was the one to grab it...the ultimate troll. LOL.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Name the account "Not Andy Bitter"

They could use it just to troll Berman.

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EDIT: I wasn't the one who did this.

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You better lawyer up fella.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Why? They're the idiots that didn't even secure the twitter handle before putting it out there on Facebook

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yes and RT are the idiots suing Andy Bitter for $150K because they have an employee handbook that says he needs to return company issued laptops and fax machines.

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Bless their hearts

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Alright now people need to grab up every logical alternative.

Using /s is for cowards.

I just got @VTinsider, with the profile name VTinsiderRT ....I mean, my initials are RT, and as a part of TKP, I consider myself a bit of an insider...so I've got a legit claim here.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

For the record, neither was I.

We know you're innocent in this shenanigans

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

I just love that you're back.

We put the K in Kwality

"Those who jump into the void owe no explanation to those who stand and watch."
--unknown

So can anyone else not find this account anymore?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Yep me he still says nothing found.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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EFFING BRILLIANT!

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Looks like it is available again. Hmmm...I tried to type it in and it was green checked. Not sure what's going on.

Link works fine for me

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Out of curiosity, it seems like there is way more financial risk for Andy (individual) vs. the RT (Company). I'm assuming the RT would just drop it if the handle is returned? Of course, Andy is also getting a ton of free air/blog time on this which can't hurt his new company's subscriptions.

Not sure what damages Andy could receive from the RT if the case is won, or if he just gets to keep his twitter handle. What financial impact is there to him to simply give the twitter account back and creates a new one?

Here's a fun question: How much money has the RT spent in attorney fees + new subs to the the Athletic for all the additional press on this?

speculating but suspecting in-house counsel for the Athletic is on top of this for AB. It's also great advertising for them as well.

it seems like there is way more financial risk for Andy (individual)

Without knowing anything for sure, my guess is that The Athletic legal department is helping a advising Andy on this. Knowing what we know of them I bet it was a calculated move that is working out brilliantly for them so far.

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

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"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

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Which reminds me... how the hell are they going to make another Star Trek without Chris Pine (aka Kirk)? They best pay that man his money

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BH could not have damaged the Roanoke Times image more if they burned the building down day one (though they metaphorically did). From gutting the editorial staff to picking fights with former reporters who have generated probably some of the most web traffic their site has ever generated, it's as mismanaged as it gets.

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What did Andy say in his reply? Embed cut off the bottom, and Twitter direct is blocked.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

That was from before (30m) the others (5m), but he said "yeah pretty much", in response to a different tweet about Willenbrock

edit: dag nabbit this is what I get for opening the tab and not actually replying for a half hour

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Understood. We all got work to do.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Initial guess is whoever set up this bot set it to automatically retweet anything mentioning AB or RT.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Just checked the account, I don't see any of these tweets under its profile.

It took me a minute since my notifications blew up. It almost looked like AB twitter was taken by Roanoke Times. Then I realized it was a different account.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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A bot, you say? Blew up your notifications, hmm? Textbook DDoS attack. VTInsider with the opening shots...

/s

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