OT: "Cookout" or "Barbecue"

My wife and I got into a "heated exchange" over this topic, and now I am taking this to TKP to discuss.

If a friend invites you over to enjoy meat that has been prepared over an open flame, is he or she inviting you to a:

1) Cookout

or

2) Barbecue

or

3) Depends on the meat being cooked over open flame.

Vote, discuss, and explain your rationale.

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Cookout unless it's a whole slab of meat that's been cooking for a considerable amount of time. Don't serve me burgers and hotdogs and tell me I'm at a barbecue.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

This was my exact response.

The only time I have been okay with the word 'barbecue' is when the Fire Department, churches, Ruritan Clubs would host a "chicken barbecue" - and sell 1/2 chickens that were grilled, typically part of a fundraiser.

3) Depends on the meat being prepared. Hamburgers and hotdogs is not a barbecue.

I don't know, but they are alot better with some of these

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I know right...someone told me that this is what happens when you drink Busch...

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

Busch is the best beer.

I had you figured for a Zima man.

Zima is nectar of the gods. And not beer.

much like your scholarship situation, you're half right

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Not quite ACC-caliber.

It is not necessarily the best beer, it is the best beer of it's class. Let's not exaggerate the point, Bronco.

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

And out of a bottle too! That's hard to find. You are full of surprises.

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

Ok, I'll play along...

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Cookout or grillout. If you're from the south, barbecue is pulled pork, not a cooking of any generic meat over fire/grill.

grillout.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

a cookout is a planned event ahead of time.

"you guys wanna grill out at my place tonight" is a sentence (in some shape or form) I hear regularly in my friend group. If we want to cook meat one night someone's gonna throw out "want to grill out" in more or less words.

Yeah, I grill out all the time (action), I don't have grillouts. If I have people over, I'm having a cookout.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Cookout is a fast food joint.

Barbecue is something you eat...preferably with sauce and some sides.

If I invite someone over is because "we're putting [meat] on the grill"

100%.

I tell people I am "cooking out" not for a "cookout".

And if somebody tells me they're having a barbecue then there better be some damn barbecue there.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Come on over for a Grill n Chill. BYO.
No inference of food, just that the grill will be fired up!

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

I see Barbecue as more of the food you eat (ribs, brisket, pork, etc.) whereas a Cookout is more of an event outside with food cooking on the grill, drinks, yard games, etc.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

It depends where you grew up and nobody is wrong about this.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

No. Like avt said above, barbecue is the food and cookout is the event. Unless you are slow-cooking meat over low heat, then that can be considered barbecuing. Grilling (also an event) burgers and dogs is not barbecuing.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

No. "barbecue" is the process, not the food. it took me a solid three months or so of living in Blacksburg to realize that when people say "barbecue" they nearly exclusively mean "pulled pork", which is just asinine and stupid. You can have barbecued beef. You can have barbecued shrimp. barbecued chicken. it's the process of cooking the food, not the food itself.

If someone invites me to "a barbecue", I know instinctively that they are using it interchangeably with "cookout" because I am not a moron and I can use context clues. If there is someone who uses "a barbecue" specifically to mean "a get together where only barbecued meats will be served", I have yet to meet them and would probably rather not.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

No. "barbecue" is the process, not the food.

Yes, I believe I made that point in my post.

Unless you are slow-cooking meat over low heat, then that can be considered barbecuing.

So, I will agree with you on one point. Barbecu(ing) is the process of slow-cooking meat over low or indirect heat. And I think we agree that a barbecue is not an event, especially when at said event, somebody is cooking over direct heat.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

but it is too an event when someone invites you to one.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

But they really don't mean it. They mean a cookout. ;^)

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Ehhh... I think it's regional. If I tell my kids we're having BBQ sandwiches for dinner, we're having pulled pork. If I'm slow cooking chicken, then we specify and say chicken BBQ. We grill burgers, steaks and hot dogs.

JP

yes, it's regional. i will never understand people defaulting to bbq pulled pork for "barbecue".

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

What's that extra B for?

@VTimHokie85

There are regional differences, but to me, if food is cooked on a grill, it is a barbeque. Not barbeque, mind you, but the process can be called a barbeque, ie "shrimp on the barbie". If it is cooked outside, it's a cookout. If it is both, call it what you want and go ahead and eat while others are arguing over tomato, tomahto. Certainly not the place to take a stand and fight with the wife.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

If food is cooked on a grill it is "grilling".

My dad built a barbeque pit. It had a grill. If my father said we were barbequing tonight, he meant cooking on the grill in his barbeque pit, and it didn't matter what was being cooked. Chicken, hot dogs, burgers, steak or pork. As far as I'm concerned, my daddy was pretty much always right, so you call it what you will, I'll call it whatever I want. After all, what difference could it possibly make? This offseason crap is getting old, we need some football.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

I kindly thank my friend for the invite, head over, and enjoy myself

Caviat - Quality beef cooked to well done is just plain wrong

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#extendbronco

Dry. Jaw pain. Unpleasant.

That's not a steak, it's a crime scene.

Looks like a previously frozen pork chop.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

That someone attempted to "fix" by overcooking.

Barbeque is a food not an event. Period. Whoever said that above is completely correct.

If I'm griiling hotdogs, I don't invite family and friends to come over for my "hotdog". That would be wrong, and sounds pretty awkward to boot.

Leonard. Duh.

If you invite someone over for your hotdog, it better be a young woman who's on the same wavelength, or your wife.

These days, you can get fired for that type of thing.

If someone is unemployed and commits a fireable offense does that mean that they then get a job?

Click here to destroy wall.

No.

This is explained in a Seinfeld episode.

Next up:

Soda vs soft drink vs (and I hate to even mention it) pop.

Both are wrong. The correct term is coke.

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

Coke is one particular brand of drink.

I bet you think Santa is real. Those folks in Atlanta have done a real number on you.

Note to self: buy more COKE (stock).

You are incorrect my good sir. I bet your call a kleenex a "facial tissue".

Coke is the brand, coke is the drink. You'd say something like "hey can you grab me a coke?" and your friend would say "sure, what kind?" and then you would say "Dr. Pepper".

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

I call tissues "tissues".

A Kleenex is one brand of tissues.

Dr. Pepper isn't a Coke product, so your friend probably already brought you a Cherry Coke. That would be like asking for a Bud when you really wanted a beer.

Must. not. downvote.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

100% correct. "coke" is synonymous for a carbonated beverage. another version of this convo would go like this: you: "hey you want a coke?"
friend: "yeah man, that would be awesome."
you: "what do you want? Coke, Pepsi, the Dr, Hawaiian Punch, A&W...."
friend: "Coke or Dr, whatever is colder."
you: "Dr Pepper it is."

If you said "Hey, do you want a coke?" to your friend, you're indicating that you have coke, as opposed to some other sort of drink.

Normally, you'd say "Do you want something to drink?", and indicate the choices. Maybe they want water or tea.

If you're offering coffee, to you offer them a Starbucks?

If I said "You want a Coke?" then I would be offering Coca-cola. But when I say "You want a coke?" it means any sugary non-alcoholic carbonated beverage. I could offer a "coke" and not actually have a "Coke".

If I offer a "coke" and they want water or tea then they say "nah, just water is fine."

If you offer them a coke and bring them Hawaiian Punch, they probably find another friend.

How do you say the capital C in Coke vs the lower case c in coke?

1-0 every week

Rhymes with Real.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Or you could say "hey, can you grab me a Dr. Pepper?" like a normal human being and get your drink even faster by cutting out the unnecessary dialogue.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

you don't know what's in your friend's fridge. why you be snooping?

You only look in a friend's fridge to see what kind of beer they have.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Are you truly friends if you don't know what's in their fridge?

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

If you really want to cut out the unnecessary dialogue, you can go get your own drink.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

A good host will tell you the actual choices, as they're looking out for you.

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

I guess he meets a lot of girls at the 7-11 he works at. His whole game seems geared towards concessions.

His motto? "The inches we need are all around us."

And he's not wrong. I bet he doesn't offer them a "coke", but rather the drink of their choice.

The correct term is coke.

This is correct. The rest of the country is just plain wrong.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

That's almost as bad as calling a cookout by the name "barbeque", when you're not even serving barbeque.

Dr Pepper or Mountain Dew are not Cokes.

Dr Pepper or Mountain Dew are not Cokes.

You are correct. They aren't Cokes, but they are cokes.

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

I guess that's why last week I ordered a Coke at a drive through, and got a Dr. Pepper (true story). And there I was thinking they had made a mistake.

nd there I was thinking they had made a mistake.

They did. They forgot to ask you what kind of coke.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

No, I ordered a Coke, and she gave me a Dr. Pepper.

She just poured the wrong product.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I'm pretty sure of the five choices there, Coke didn't equal Dr. Pepper.

I usually order a liter cola, they know what I mean...sometimes I even dimpisize it

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

It is soda.
There are specific types, styles and brands of soda. Coca cola is one the brands of soda in the style of a cola.

What would you expect if you ordered an IPA and someone handed you a stout?
(It's happened to me, at a restaurant they called all non-macro beer IPA.)

I trust you never went back.

I started looking for burning couches.

I always knew that Alaska was big, but I never realized they were so divided, or so wrong

And now it's time to show the world
That victory is ours tonight

They're very isolated, and very dependent on whoever is doing the delivering.

this map is inaccurate. there is no place in Nevada that uses a term more than "coke" for soft drinks. no place.

I don't believe you.

But if I did, I'd say the reason is because everyone in Las Vegas is from somewhere else.

Dope. #Appalachian

I use soda in everyday conversation though.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Are the colorful things you put on softserve ice cream called sprinkles of jimmies?

JP

jimmies

Why would you put condoms on ice cream?

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

Sprinkles because the jimmies reference is because they resemble small male genitalia. I don't sprinkle them on my dessert. I sprinkle sprinkles on my dessert.

I grew up saying this

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Soft drink is a generic term for any non-alcoholic beverage. Included in this classification is iced tea, soda pop (see what I did there), lemonade, etc.

If you are from the midwest, its pop. If you are from the northeast its soda and in the southeast it tends to be coke.

Included in this classification is iced tea...

via GIPHY

In no world, universe, or plane of existence should iced tea be included in the same classification as a soft drink/soda pop/coke/whatever. That's just goddamn unAmerican!

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Nobody in the South is going to confuse iced tea or lemonade with coke.

If you look on a catering menu - soft drinks specifically include iced tea and lemonade.

That specific catering director should be shot.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

In that case, I guess they just mean "drinks".

But while we're on the topic, no catering menu ever had a category for cokes that included ice tea and lemonade.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

The specific definition of soft drink (from dictionary.com)

"a nonalcoholic drink, especially one that is carbonated."

While they do reference carbonation, a soft drink is just a non-alcoholic drink.

So that's where you'd put milk and water?

Come on. Just use the word "drinks".

Exactly - nobody ever asks for a "soft drink" specifically because there are too many interpretations of it. I could get a glass of water, Coca-Cola, 7-UP or iced tea and all would be correct.

Oh and drinks to me implies alcoholic beverages - as in "I am going for drinks after work."

In that context, it implies alcohol. Most working adults don't go out for Hawaiian Punch after work.

"Grab some drinks for the kids." Context.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

Exactly why drinks is too generic to reference soft drinks solely.

Iced. Tea. Is. Not. A. Soft. Drink.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

The dictionary is your friend - use it.

I agree that iced tea is not in the same category as SODA or a carbonated beverage.

Yes. Yes it is.

Tea is a soft drink.

Coffee is a soft drink.

Koolaid is a soft drink.

Sprite is a soft drink.

Coca Cola is a soft drink.

"Soda" (or "Pop") is a subcategory of "Soft Drink".

Any drink without whiskey is a "soft" drink. Fact.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

So you believe a milk shake is a soft drink?

Certainly isn't a hard drink.

Hard = alcoholic
Soft = non-alcoholic

Somehow I missed the ice tea one. But had the exact same reaction when I read lemonade.

Old sigline: I've been cutting back on the drinking.

New Sigline: lol it's football season.

I disagree that it means more than carbonated sugary non-alcoholic drinks in contemporary vernacular but he is not wrong

https://www.britannica.com/topic/soft-drink

The term soft drink was originated to distinguish the flavoured drinks from hard liquor, or distilled spirits. Soft drinks were recommended as a substitute in the effort to change the hard-drinking habits of early Americans.

I can't even believe this is a debate on TKP. Barbecue is meat cooked for a long time at low temperature in the presence of smoke. It is not an event or any other kind of meat cooked over open flame. In fact, barbecue is never cooked over open flame.

If you are grilling in the presence of guests, it is a cookout and none of the meat you cooked is barbecue.

Why yes, I DO live in Texas...

Down under barbecue = grilling. Let's not make Oscar mad.

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#extendbronco

this is fantastic

What kind of savage invites people to a barbecue and then serves them hot dogs and hamburgers?

Growing up(in the north) Barbecue and Cookout were used interchangeably to refer to an event where a group of people came together and cooked meat on a grill accompanied by various delicious side.

As an "adult" living in the south,
I invite friends over to grill or to cookout.
BBQ is a slab of meat that is cooked over low heat with smoke, preferably natural heat such as fire/hot coals not gas.
Cookout(as a noun) is a wonderful place to get 3 peoples worth of food for $4.99 when drunk

But the most important thing I've learned is that BBQ, whether a food or an event is meant to bring us together not drive us apart.

And now it's time to show the world
That victory is ours tonight

Grilling or a cookout is anything done over direct heat for a shorter faster cook.

Barbecue is cooking done via indirect heat at lower temperatures for longer periods of time and usually done in the presence of wood smoke. (A requirement in my opinion.)

Anything else is wrong.

To solve the family fight issue, call it grilling.
Only if it's low and slow or smoked should it be called BBQ.

Barbecue is a type of cuisine
Cookout is a restaurant
Grill out is an outdoor 'dinner' (can be any meal) party where grilled foods are served

EDIT: clarified for VTKEY

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A cookout is an event where grilled foods are served. It doesn't have to be dinner.

Cookout == Grilling on direct heat

Barbecue == smoking a large slab of meat on indirect heat

The only problem with this definition is chicken wings. You can barbeque (smoke) some good chicken wings.

After reading this thread, I think so much less of so many of you now

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

That is simply not possible.

round her we just say throwing some meat on the grill or oysters that simple.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

round her we just say throwing some meat on the grill or oysters that simple.

So, what do you say when she's not around?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

"finally some peace and quite, what do guys wanna eat?"

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

Barbecue is a sauce (or dry rub). If meat is cooked with barbecue sauce (or dry rub), then it is a BBQ. Who cares about the process.

Pulled Pork without Barbecue sauce is just pulled pork.

A cookout, or braai as it's called in South Africa, is the event of gathering together to consume cooked meat that takes place outside, and the meat is cooked outside as well. That meat can be over a flame, in a smoker, slow-cooked, whatever.

I respectfully disagree. "Barbecue" when followed immediately by "sauce" is just being used as an adjective. It's a sauce specifically formulated to enhance the flavor of already delicious meat that has been "barbecued" (cooked slowly over low heat in the presence of intoxicating smoke and an attendant drinking beer). It's not the sauce that got barbecued, it's the meat.

Class of '02. GO HOKIES!

I will concede, as the dictionary clearly points out that barbecue is:

1. a large animal (such as a steer) roasted whole or split over an open fire or a fire in a pit
2. a social gathering especially in the open air at which barbecued food is eaten
3. an often portable fireplace over which meat and fish are roasted

I will, however, point out, that while growing up, we called it grilling, unless there was barbecue sauce involved. Then, it was barbecuing.

Nope nope nope nope. My God you couldn't be more wrong.

Barbecue = low & slow cooked meat
Sauce = sauce; it can "identify" the regional style of the barbecue. But can also be put on grilled (not BBQed) things

Take Texas-style brisket for example. It is a regional style of barbecue, and does not necessarily need sauce (especially if done "right")

Also congrats on knowing the SA slang for an outdoor gathering?

I have nothing to add to the cookout v bbq debate that has not already been correctly stated.

bonus question though: Anyone else have block parties in their neighborhood growing up?

Nope, but we have them in Baltimore

I know the right answer, and it will blow your minds... but similarly to how I act at cookout-barbecues, I don't want to share it with you guys.

#5 absolutely made my jaw drop!

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

While we're talking about cooking meat outside: LadyFriend likes steaks RARE. Like, if I left her alone she'd just unwrap them and start eating them out of the packaging.

I certainly don't like them 'cooked' by normal standards, but I think they need some heat. For a while I'd been filling up a chimney charcoal starter and putting them on a grate right on top of that to get them seared. Pretty good.

Lately I've decided that there needs to be some heat to get a little bit of the tougher tissue to breakdown and render the fat into the meat (especially with really thick ribeyes, which are the best steaks we've been able to get for a while). So I started doing a reverse sear. Put them in the oven at about 200 or 250 until the internal gets to about 100 or 105, then take them out and put them on the charcoal grate.

Then, about a 3rd of the state burned down and they cracked WAY down on any kind of fires outside. So I'm still doing a reverse sear, but instead of a charcoal chimney, I've gotten some cast iron that I put directly on top of one of the giant jet engine burners I (used to) make beer on. Best sear I've ever had on a steak. Almost crispy on the outside, but barely any of the heat soaks in and I get basically no gray layer.

Bacon grease is definitely the wrong oil to put in the cast iron, first time we did that and I burned all the hair off my arms using tongs to flip the steaks in the middle of the grease fire. Peanut oil worked better, but if it's the correct temperature, will still ignite a little bit.

Why did I post this unsolicited long story/recipe in an offseason OT that's devolved into purse swinging and giffing? Because I've got less then 3 weeks left at my job and I'm bored as fuck.

Finally, I'm going to grab some BUSCCCCCCHHHHHHH on the way home tomorrow for nostalgia's sake.

Old sigline: I've been cutting back on the drinking.

New Sigline: lol it's football season.

You need to smoke your ribeyes when doing the reverse sear, it will change your life. Do exactly what you describe above but on your grill set up for two zone cooking with some hickory smoke and do a hot fast sear on each side for like 4 minutes. You won't go back.

Agreed, will change your outlook.

I also do this with the Flat Iron cut.

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#extendbronco

Smoking is definitely on the list. There are several reasons why I'm not doing that now, but hopefully by the start of football/drinking season I'll have a smoke setup to do the first stage.

My sear stage is a cast iron skillet on one of these:

Turned way up. Maybe 45 seconds a side.

Old sigline: I've been cutting back on the drinking.

New Sigline: lol it's football season.

Harbor freight route for me.

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#extendbronco

If barbecued meat is being served, it can be called a BBQ. Otherwise it's a cookout.

This thread is epic. In the meantime, I'm going to cookout, getting a BBQ plate, Southwest style regular burger, chili dog, hush puppies, and at least 3 variations of chocolate cheesecake milkshakes, mine will have Reese's pieces in it.

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don't forget your coke!

Go Hokies

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

cookout:


I lose this one

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

FFS can labor day hurry up and get here?

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So, for Labor Day, should I cookout or barbecue? Or... both?

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

yes

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller