2019 DT Brandon Dorlus Decommits

Sunshine state defensive tackle product Brandon Dorlus opened up his recruitment. That's a blow to the Hokies as defensive tackle is arguably Virginia Tech's greatest need this cycle.

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Called us Virginia Tech University... He didn't belong here to begin with.

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"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

A defensive tackle recruit could call has Va Tech for all I care right now as long as the stay committed

Bud/Wiles 2020

Oh I don't mind VA Tech at all or VT or Virginia Tech. It's that adding University to the end that grinds my gears.

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A bottle of Wild Turkey is poured out each time an announcer calls us Va Tech

Bud/Wiles 2020

I very much prefer Vah Tech to Vee Tech, which is what a lot of people around me in the northeast tend towards.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

My friends in Hampton Roads who didn't go there would also call it Vee Tech. I had to tell them that "Vee Tech" is a cordless phone company, not a university.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

In the Hampton Roads area??? Where it's common place to say "Vah Beach" & "Vah Beach Blvd"?

I have literally never heard "Vah Beach Blvd." (The former, all the time.)

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

I grew up in Chesapeake and never heard anyone ever call either the beach or the Blvd. Vah. Never until these posts have I heard this. No one at Tech said they came from Vah Beach when I was there and there were a ton of them who claimed the beach as home, like most everyone from Norfolk and Portsmouth and half the kids from Chesapeake seemed to do. It was either Virginia Beach or just the beach. I blame it all on the verbally lazy computer generation who have to shorten everything they speak to match their attention spans for actual conversation, but what do I know?

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The big thing when I was in school was using the "757" tag versus everyone who said they were from NoVA. Could have sworn the only typical issue was folks who weren't local pronouncing Norfolk. Or understanding that Chesapeake is both Western Branch and the Greenbrier area.

Practicing our motto, ut prosim, or, "that I may serve," is imperative in recognizing what it means to be part of the Hokie family.

Well since the street sign says, "VA BEACH BLVD" we just called it Vah Beach bvld.

"Vah Beach" only really took off in the 90s, and back then it was pretty much limited to those that would listen to 103 Jamz.

That's actually where I picked it up from, now that I think of it.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

It's also a Honda Engine

VT '10, Born & Raised in the 804.
Rockin the Bakken.

A bottle of Wild Turkey is poured out each time an announcer calls us Va Tech

They must've had to dump a barrel for the Marshall game then

You take that back

He meant it's poured out... Into his mouth.

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

Must've heard we make the DTs run like everybody else. /s

Best of luck to him, though. Hope he finds his place.

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but.. but.. he was 1000% committed...

Bacon strips &
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These kids really need to learn the difference between 1000%, 100% and 0%

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

A few years at Vee Tech University would have cleared that up

Looking at the responses to the tweet, it looks like this was kind of assumed was going to happen and that he's going to UF?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

yeah no surprise here.

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Mom went to UF, he's from FL and one could say he got the ok to commit (commitable offer) after his OV.

The silver lining here is that we're so stacked at DT we can totally afford to lose a few of our commits here...........

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Had three DT commits on roster. Have two now. He was the lowest rated of the three (not that ratings are everything). We have lines on other DTs. None of the three commits we had were likely to have the immediate effect we all desire.
Long story short, don't start screaming abandon ship before hitting the iceberg. We have time to change course.

At this point, when it comes to the DT position specifically, we need talent and we need depth. He might not have been the most talented, but he would have given us a body for depth. This is one of the few positions on the team where we aren't really in the position to say "well, he wasn't good enough anyway" because we just don't have the depth to make the losses not hurt.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

If he's good enough to fill a spot at Florida, I wanted him!

Oh well, keep looking.

I just can't believe Foster and Wiles lost a Florida kid to UF where one of his parents is an alum. Fuente has really lost the team.

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Clearly this is a sign of garbage support staff.

Some may say this is an overwhelmed G5 staff.

Right our DC, LB coach and DL coach have only coached at one P5 school.

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Do you guys know this isn't 247 or TSL?

Keep calm, Gobble on

Yes. Were you absent during the support staff outrage at the post Ford commit?

The big dawgs tho ...

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Maybe not losing the team, but definitely losing on the recruiting trail, regularly. Explaining away recruiting losses in the off season, and giving up 7 yards a carry during the season, becoming the Fuente M-O.

I totally blame this year's defensive performance on Fuente's lack of leadership and recruiting in his second full year of recruiting after losing more than half of the starters from last year. He definitely shouldn't trust a defensive coordinator that has been one of the best for 20 years and should do a better job of gameplanning against Pitt and GT.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

Didn't blame this year on any of that, but if you think the outlook promises dramatic improvement, particularly up front defensively, or that the recruiting as a whole is trending positively, you need to readjust the tint on your glasses my friend.

Explaining away recruiting losses in the off season, and giving up 7 yards a carry during the season, becoming the Fuente M-O.

What? An I agree on the recruiting part, I definitely think we could be doing better. I also know it takes more than 2-3 classes to build a program.

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"Becoming the M-O".... i.e. implying that the outlook isn't one that promises change. You can tell yourself that UNC, GT, BC, Pitt, Miami abusing us on the ground was an anomaly this year, but I'm not seeing anything suggesting improvement is imminent on that front.

Alright, so say we land 2 Juco DT before the end of the week. Let's keep in mind that our linebacking corp seemed to improve over the year, our secondary was shaky but showed flashes, and we have a couple of Defensive ends that will hopefully come back from injury and hit the weight room this offseason. I'm not seeing where you aren't seeing the imminent improvement?

If it's the DT, let's see what happens before the end of the recruiting cycle.

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I'm sorry, I'm sure you both have good points, but I'm still trying to figure out why Bud Foster is fighting with himself.

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This is like that old SNL skit with the Bears fans discussing who would win in a fight: Ditka or Hurricane Ditka

There's only one JUCO DT that's regarded as anything more than a warm body (Figueroa), and by most accounts he's quite a long shot to come here (which in Fuente parlance means he's not coming here). So we're left with:

Belmar/Garbutt
Hewitt/Burke or JUCO A
Porcher/JUCO B or true freshman Kendricks/Pollard
House (off an ACL)/DeBose or Proctor or Adams?

If we're rolling with this, then yes, put me in the camp that expects close to a 7 ypc opponent average. I love your optimism, and would love to be wrong, just don't see it. Also props on the profile pic.

Fair enough. I'm hoping we are better as a unit and can eliminate those bigger plays consistently enough to avoid those averages. Cheers to Bud and improvements

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Not 7 ypc. In a lot of games our DEs and DTs were literally inches away from TFLs. Some of that is going to be technique and some of it is going to be experience.

And a lot of it was holding on the O-line that never got, or gets, called.

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I don't recall the games as you do, I suppose. In any event, 7 ypc is not hyperbole. Last 7 games vs P5:

ND - 6.96
UNC - 7.62
GT - 6.10
BC - 5.57
Pitt - 14.76
Miami - 6.64
UVA - 4.61
Average - 7.47 ypc

National Average - 5.23 ypc

Youth, experience and injury is the dominant theme as to why that stat is so bad, not because of Wiles and Fosters inability to coach, evaluate, and recruit.
In the last 25 years we have never had the youth/experience/injury thing hit us like this season. In the last 25 years, Bud and Wiles have produced top defenses year after year after year after year with this season being the one outlier. See the correlation yet?

You get out of here with your logic and sound reasoning....

Always Jumping even from hours away.

I mean next year it won't be that high.

Good God. That Pitt game is crazy.

We put the K in Kwality

Pitt - 14.76

Fuck me man

I say we just start looking for 400-pound big bodies at the Old Country Buffet. Just get them wide enough to provide Dax an unobstructed path to the ball carrier and we'll be fine.

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We already tried that and he quit over the summer.

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Taking 1 DT in 2018 after already knowing that the 2017 class had 1 guy that would never contribute in Glaze, and a guy that needed to be convinced to put on weight, is on Fuente. HC needs to be in control of scholarship allocation

Pretty sure we have all seen that wasn't by choice. Settle and Goode weren't his choice either. Yes, there needs to be a DT focus, I say we wait until the end of the signing class before we panic based on what I'm reading.

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It was by choice to only take 1 DT in 2018. We took 26 scholarship guys that class, and only 1 DT. Goode getting kicked made that 0, but taking 1 to begin with is terrible

I would trust Bud to speak up if he felt they needed to do more with the talent they had access to.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

So either Fuente didn't listen to Bud, or Bud didn't know we had this little talent. Which is worse?

I'll give Bud a pass

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dcwilson just chillin at home when all of the sudden

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

See that's the thing why does Bud and Wiles get a pass on recruiting defensive players while some people want wholesale staff changes for underperforming?

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Probably how we've recruited way more blue-chip defensive players during Fuente's years than offensive ones.

So they get a pass because Devon Hunter signed, even if he never contributes on the field, regardless of if they mismanage the defensive line to the point of a historically bad season defensively?

That's completely illogical.

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Except that I wasn't saying this just because of Devon Hunter... Dylan Rivers, Dax Hollifield, Chamarri Conner, Jeremy Webb, Alan Tisdale, Nathan Proctor, Tyjuan Garbutt are all blue chip defensive players from the last two classes alone. I was saying he's been doing a good job of recruiting positions like DE and LB that we had been maligned for over the preceding years, and over the last two Bud has proven that he can still land those guys. We were coming off an embarrassment of riches at DT as recently as 2016 with 4 All-ACC potential quality DTs. We clearly mismanaged DT recruiting since then, and now we need to address it. The problem is that we DON'T KNOW for sure who made call to only take 1 DT, but scholarship allocations for a recruiting class are ultimately the decision of the HC. Now he may have delegated that out to BF, but we don't know the answer.

Now to your second point, a lot of our big runs we have given up have caused by mistakes at all 3 levels, sometimes just the back 2. That long run by Marshall, for example, had both Ladler and Deablo following one guy across the field away form the path of the back. Sure a DL player could have beaten a block and stopped that play, but we have players making bad decisions at all three levels, and that's a different discussion entirely.

Your first sentence here was completely putting words in my mouth that I wasn't saying, you added all that at the end.

Your second sentence only makes sense in the context of all the fluff that I didn't say, that you added on my behalf.

I am trying to point out that the arguments from many fans aren't consistent and don't make sense. People say the offense should be carrying the team but you're saying the majority of blue chip recruits in recent classes have been defensive players. So... were the expectations for the offense unreasonable? And why was the defense so bad? I'm not panicking about either side of the ball quite yet but that doesn't seem to be the case for a lot of people.

Personally I find it impossible to believe that Fuente would have directed Foster/Wiles on how to handle DT scholarships, especially if they told him that it was a dire situation. What seems far more likely to me is that they weren't able to land commitments from recruits that they felt were likely to be contributors and the scholarship was used elsewhere. Unfortunately it has clearly become a pretty desperate situation now but I'm guessing they still liked their chances with true freshmen and JUCOs more than recruits whom didn't receive favorable evaluations.

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Unfortunately it has clearly become a pretty desperate situation now but I'm guessing they still liked their chances with true freshmen and JUCOs more than recruits whom didn't receive favorable evaluations.

I agree with this and think this approach makes sense. You want to make your scholarships count. It's possible you see attrition at overloaded positions but that's better than an under-performer holding a scholarship for four years while never really producing.

People say the offense should be carrying the team

I'm one of them. My point doesn't rely not about "blue chip" players on O. My points have been more about the inability to win a shoot out with ODU (we should be able to put 70 on them any time we want) and the showing vs GT (where they never stopped us, we stumbled our way into having to punt with dropped passes, horrible blocking and penalties). Heck, even a mediocre Pitt team that gave up an average of twice as many points to UNC, Syracuse and Duke, than we scored against them. It's also about the number of 3 and outs, especially in the 2nd half.

I agree that the offense could be better. However I don't think offensive performance was the biggest issue with this team, as scoring 14 more points a game would make us the #6 scoring offense in the country and only change the outcome to 1 additional win (BC) and 1 tie (ODU).

While I think it's legitimate to question if the offense should have been better, I don't think it makes sense is to say Bud/Wiles are inscrutable while blaming "the G5 staff members in over their heads" for every single issue with the team. Each coach has strengths and weaknesses. Many people are low on Nix as well but he has JUCO connections that might save our bacon with DT recruits this cycle. Anyway I truly believe Fuente and Foster want the best for the program and want to win. Sure there is room for improvement for every member of the staff, but if Fuente and Foster don't think it's time to change course with any of the staff, I trust their judgment.

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The argument could be made that scoring 14 additional points per game would result in more than just one more win. Hopefully those additional 14 points would have been scored in the first half, thus giving us a bigger lead early on, allowing our D to be more aggressive. I feel that we saw that in the Marshall game.

One of the Clemson sites had a great "star breakdown" between each unit before the Clemson Tech game. The defense average rating is 3.04 offense 3.00 so it's not like Foster and Wiles are just running away with better players. Also the biggest criticism I've seen of Foster is how unique he defense is and how hard it can be to recruit to it. So while Foster is one of the best getting results out of non elite recruits maybe if he changed some philosophies we would see more elite recruits?

My larger point is why does critical comments about Fuente seem fine when it comes to recruiting but not Wiles or Foster?

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He doesn't get a pass on recruiting from most people. Voices within the fanbase have been complaining about how our system dissuades front 7 recruits since long before Fuente got here. It's not a new phenomenon. That said, it's not really the gap fit part that dissuades recruits so much as it's the way we use our DT's. Clemson's defense is extremely similar to ours on the front 7, but they don't cross key their DT's. They run a similar gap-fit, boom or bust usage of safeties in the alleys in the run game, to ours. They do utilize a larger DL group to do that job at all 4 spots. Some of that is we simply don't have the luxury of those players right now, but it doesn't mean we wouldn't take them. We wanted Clelin Ferrell as badly as anyone. However, we probably had slim chances of ever landing a Christian Wilkins or Dexter Lawrence during those years (though we did manage to land one similar quality blue-chip DT, Settle)

I think Foster and Wiles have had their fair share of criticism on the boards this year. What I think you are saying is why are people ok with calling for Corny's head and not Bud's. My sense is that fans have seen Bud field very competitive defenses for a long time and he has proven he can win at this level. Corny and even Fuente dont have that kind of track record to make fans pause and temper their emotions during a subpar year. They have also underperformed with what appears to be a relatively talented offense using VT standards.
I completely agree that Bud and Wiles have missed on a number of recruits and I think we agree that his system produces a higher bust rate. I hope he can adapt it to become more attractive to bigger body Tim Settle like recruits. The problem with that is that those kind of difference makers are scarce and we really do have to compete with the top tier programs for them. As fans, we're going to have to pony up more money to provide the resources for a larger better recruiting staff.

So maybe it's time for a new DC and DL coach?

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Maybe it's time for the untouchable DC and DL coach to recruit better and more DL to Virginia Tech? Is that fair?

I'll think about this next year when Clay Dean is playing key minutes in the ACC. I bet I'll feel better.

Possibility of immediate playing time scares 'em off every time. /s

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Recruiting is a son of a bitch

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I'm not sure how I feel about this...can't even see his battery level.

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I honestly don't know if Florida even has room for him but I think he is playing the wait and see game. Im leaning on he was told to sign or decommit. He wants to wait around to see if Florida is gonna offer him and drag VT as his backup.

Best of luck where ever he goes.

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I feel the same way as DonV and this Shelton fellow on this. I pretty much do that in my head every time I read those comments for the 100000th time each. I don't freak out about our recruiting classes and go on tirades, but I do have what I believe to be a pretty reality-based, grounded view that we are not recruiting at the level we need to in order to meet the expectations we have as a fanbase. Simple as that.

We could hit the trifecta if someone brings up Sam Rogers and how he was a walk-on...

Yes, but sadly the majority has it in their heads that there is no room for improvement and we're currently as good as we'll ever be, and any thought exercise on how to improve is wasted because we're just not enough of a name to be better than this.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I think we have some legitimate uphill battles with our location, donor commitment, and a few other things, but I agree we have not hit our recruiting ceiling, and it's worth discussing ways we can start getting our slugging percentage up and start landing some [better] classes.

*edited because the word I originally used was confusing.

If Virginia and Maryland can recruit with their half-empty, high school-looking crowds, I'd think VT can recruit with a Lane stadium that rocks on Saturdays.

I'm just saying it's possible, and that we haven't reached the ceiling yet.

Bigger classes only work if you have the slots. Yeah, the numbers might always work out but if you only have 15 or 16 slots you're not going out there to recruit 25 kids. In fact, if you expect every player to be there in 5 years' time (we know they won't be but for practical purposes we say they will be), you have to average a class size of 17 a year to stay within the 85 scholarship limit.

I'm guessing Chris was going with bigger impact wise not physically more people.

Fair enough When I read "bigger class" my mind immediately went to size, but I can see that :)

Correct, I'm talking about recruiting more blue-chip players, settling for fewer projects, and in so doing landing higher rated classes when we have to take small classes and big classes.

Honestly I think we needed a few more projects about three years ago. We have a numbers problem now where we need bodies but projects don't immediately help....we need some talented defensive linemen now.

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As I recall, we had the numbers. Attrition is a bitch, and clearly our allowance for that wasn't quite big enough.

We had those guys, but they saw a loaded depth chart and many transferred (I know Sobsczak did off the top of my head). I'm also positive we lost some recruiting battles at the time because they didn't see a path to the field.

Man, we could really use Sobsczak right now.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Jack Tyler and Cody Grimm were walk-ons

;)

And where in the NFL are they now

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Don't care, the NFL is awful and I haven't watched a game (including the Super Bowl) in about 3 years; what did they do for us while they were here is all I care about.

Also, I brought up Cody and Jack because:

We could hit the trifecta if someone brings up Sam Rogers and how he was a walk-on...

I was trying to be funny, lighten up.

Not to mention that Cody Grimm actually got drafted and had his career cut short by season-ending injuries in each of his first two years as a pro. Just because he's not in the NFL now doesn't mean he's not a VT success story.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Ok.

John Engelberger was a walk on who went on to be drafted in the second round and played for 9 years in the NFL.
Will Montgomery was a walk on who lasted around 8 years.

My point was that our own little "success stories" are other schools' chump change. Nobody outside of VT knows who Will Montgomery is, so therefore neither do recruits. So we can't pitch NFL success when our former walk-ons are just backups for a couple of years. Yes I realize Engelberger was more than that, but there's not a long list after him.

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Will Montgomery played 9 years in the league. Played 16 games in 5 of those years. Started 16 games in 3 years. Had 75 total starts (basically 4.7 seasons worth) and was Peyton Manning's starting center in Denver for 8 games. I would call that way more than "chump change" and is something if a recruit doesn't know about you could certainly explain it to them and would resonate. It's actually a great recruiting pitch. "This guy walked on and is now getting an nfl pension. We developed him. You are a 4 star, think of what you could accomplish with our development".

Go to Penn State and brag about Will Montgomery and they will throw Saquon Barkley all up in your face, along with every All-Pro linebacker to come through there. 4 stars want to go where other 4 stars have gone and ended up as All-Pros, not 9 year backups on the line.

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I'm not even sure to whom I'm replying...

Are we talking about walk-ons or 4 star recruits? I'm not sure any pitch mentions both at the same time.

For the most part, you would only talk about walk-ons with people who are going to be walk-ons.

In terms of any given player's level of success in the NFL. I would say that's outside of the school's hands. You pitch the chance to get into the NFL. After that it is up the players and NFL coaching staffs.

Steven Peoples is a walk on.

But really

we are not recruiting at the level we need to in order to meet the expectations we have as a fanbase

sums it up. This is a loss that there isn't much we could do about. Everyone knew if that spot opened up for him he was gone. We might be progressing ever so slightly in recruiting but its certainly not fast enough to even keep up with the gap let alone make the next jump.

That's why the actual question should be "does the fanbase have realistic expectations?" I would suspect the most vocal portion does not.

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One person's "realistic expectation" is another person's "far too optimistic/pessimistic beliefs".

"Realistic expectation" is just like "common sense" in that its all based upon your own belief where anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. Its also a way of saying "I'm right, you're wrong, and its not worth my time to explain why"

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Virginia Tech has never won a team national championship in any sport. Virginia Tech had to pay to join the Big East as a football-only member in 1991. Virginia Tech only joined the ACC in 2004. Expecting Virginia Tech to become Clemson- a charter member of the ACC with a football national championship in 1981, far greater athletic donations, and geographical location closer to traditional recruiting hotbeds- overnight is unrealistic. Even Clemson didn't become Clemson over night, as they had to wait 35 years between football championships and even became synonymous with choking in big games before becoming an elite program.

Edit: added team in front of national championship, since as others pointed out we have had individual champions

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False.

Bass Fishing Natty.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Rippin lips, baby.

Chicks dig the long rod.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

True, since Bass fishing is not an NCAA sport. I'm sure other VT club sports might have natty's also.

Ok well then if we have no hope why bother funding it anymore? Why bother playing a game if there is no path toward winning? We have a student body that is rapidly expanding, an set of alumni who are getting progressively wealthier by the year, one of the biggest followings for football in the region with some of the hottest recruiting hotbeds in our own backyard. But yeah, we have no advantages, we have no path to success.

Please. You're the same kind of person who waid we were too rural, our history was too bad, we were too much of a football program, etc to ever think we could expect to compete in basketball in the ACC. The kind of person who thought where we were under Johnson was where we should just accept to stay and we high barred it under Greenberg. And you know what, it was all bullshit. And it's bullshit now.

Get the right people in here, get top flight recruiters who are dedicated to pulling in the best talent and we won't have these conversations. But we keep bringing in guys who come in expecting to not compete for recruits in our own backyard and yeah, we are going to suffer on the field. And until we make that change ourselves, it's just never going to change.

The best thing we can do to fix our fundraising issues is to win. Scared money don't make money, and sometimes you have to spend to earn. Go out and hire the best recruiters we can. Period. Let the incoming talent take over and start winning, rejuvenate the fans, and the donations will come back. The fact of the matter is, we haven't beaten a single ranked team in Lane since 2009 and apathy has set in. Nothing outside of on field results will change that.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I appreciate your sentiment Alum07. There has to be an effort to get better every year in every sport. The difficult part in appreciable progress in this is that the other programs VT is competing against are also bringing in $$$, talented coaches and quality players. For VT football to return to the 12-20 level, quality programs have to be out competed.

VT football was a very consistent, top 12-20, football team for an extended period of time. I consider that to be the current goal of the program, to return to the best era of VT football. There are a number of other programs with a realistic goal of the same; which programs will succeed will be based on $$$s raised to invest on coaching hires (& hoping it is the right hire) and talent (bring in better talent or develop talent better).

I am optimistic that VT will be back to this level. It is important to appreciate that VT was a really good program for an extended period of time but the decline was over multiple years, a fix that was going to be repeatable was never going to be done in 2-4 years.

I think VT basketball is at a great spot right now, a top 12-20 team. I contend that the previous 2 seasons were comparable to Greenberg's years 4-7 and I am optimistic that this season will be even better. It took Williams years to recruit talent, build depth and develop skills; we are seeing the results now with the program apparently taking another step forward. Hopefully this level of achievement is something that can be consistent and possibly better when everything breaks the right way. This is very similar to VT football from 1993 - 2011.

If VT can achieve at the 12-20 level on a consistent basis in a sport, I am a happy Hokie. If things are better than that, I would consider it to be an aberration which should be enjoyed to the fullest.

Go Hokies,
Beat South Carolina State
Beat Cincinnati

You're a hoot. All I did was state verifiable facts in response to your post claiming I had no basis for any claim about "realistic expectations," but something in those facts sure upset you enough to go from 110% to 800% committed.

Scared money don't make money, but smart money don't waste any time on a troll.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

"Realistic expectation"..... Its also a way of saying "I'm right, you're wrong, and its not worth my time to explain why"

smart money don't waste any time on a troll.

Pretty much called that reply yesterday

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

We also have a National Shotput Champion from our Track and Field team back in 2003 or 2004.

What's
Important
Now

There's that and there's a bunch of individual T&F titles, but I think what SIAA is trying to say is that we haven't won a natty in any team sports (outside of bass fishing ofc)

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

We have a good many individual track and field championships. The one you're thinking of was Spyridon Jullien (pretty nice guy from what I remember), in 2005. He was our first national Champion. We've had 6 other individuals as champions and one champion distance medley relay team, since.

We have no Varsity Team championships.

We used to kick Clemson's ass in football in the mid-2000's. We owned them. What happened?

Dabo & Donations.

we are not recruiting at the level we need to in order to meet the expectations we have as a fanbase

or fundraising at the level VT needs in order to meet the expectations of the fan base.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

*Pull up a chair and some popcorn gif*

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Hokie fireman hacked French's account I see
/S

Virginia Tech School of Architecture Class of 2014
Fan of Hokies, Ravens, NY Giants, Orioles

Wait, so are you pulling up a chair and then a popcorn gif? Or are you pulling up a gif of someone pulling up a chair and eating popcorn? OR are you pulling up a chair while eating popcorn and then looking up gifs? In this scenario, are those gifs also of people eating popcorn?

Outside its night time, but inside its LeDay

I think we can all agree that VT is not fundraising at a level conducive to being a true football power. However, I don't think we are hitting our full potential with what we have now, and that's the troubling thing to me. It's been all but outright admitted by them that this is not a recruiting-oriented staff and likely will never be. Remember Fuente turned down overtures from SEC schools and other traditional football powers to come here because he did not want to get involved in the high stakes recruiting. This much has been widely known. It makes me a little salty that, apparently, we are the school that really comes off as a pressure-free environment where you don't have to care as much about recruiting. Yes, we have won a handful of highly coveted guys since he got here, but don't ever expect this to be a staff that goes all out for the tough and dirty recruiting battles. We quickly turn to plan B,C, and D options and hear the same tired "we want recruits who want to be here" spin.

I really hope this staff can prove me wrong, but I don't see this passive strategy working out in order to make a jump. I think fundraising will likely increase with better donor confidence in the direction of the program. To say there is some real skepticism at this point would be warranted, IMO.

Even in years where a BCS birth or even shot at NC fundraising didn't shoot up. Also could you link to where Fuente said that about recruiting? This feels like one of those "facts" everyone knows but can't link back to.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

I think the comment Fuente made was more along the lines of avoiding the negative recruiting.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

Having a moral compass is different than not giving 100%. I never have the impression that Fuente is willing to lie or cheat to land a recruit but works hard to assemble the best team (or rafter) he can.

I am proud that Beamer never had VT on probation and I hope Fuente continues to operate with integrity. If this means VT never wins it all, fine. Beamer has already demonstrated that the team can be top 20 without institutional NCAA violations.

I don't agree with the negativity towards Fuente and company.

It takes a LONG time to change the trajectory of a football program, but from what I can tell, Fuente has done some things pretty well. Seems to me that recruiting has improved across the board. Fundraising has improved. The overall talent on this team seems pretty good, and I'm confident in the future. They even managed to continue the commonwealth cup streak and the bowl streak, and this was against the odds. The team stepped up, and that says something. The current recruiting class is ranked 30th, with only 16 recruits. That's pretty decent, from where I sit. Yes, there are positions of need, but they're working that.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that this team will be better next year, and that this will help with the recruiting narrative, and possibly the fundraising. I don't think there was any other way to do this. Am I the only one who sees it that way?

Couldn't agree more

If Nester flips to us, we need to assign Vice to DL and RB recruiting

I want to hear our bagmen's take on this.

VT '10, Born & Raised in the 804.
Rockin the Bakken.

I heard we ran out of Hardees coupons. #sauces

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

I think Hardee's has gotten stingy with the coupons, I uses to get them all the time, now seems half as often.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

I have defended this coaching staff since it was assembled. I still have faith in them. I remain optimistic. But even I can't make excuses for the situation on the defensive line, specifically at tackle.

I dont care what anyone says. This hurts. He had good potential and may have ended up as a two year starter depending on how development went.

I think the entire coaching staff needs to shoulder the blame on a roster hole this large. People on every message board saw this critical situation years in advance. It has been a slow motion trainwreck.

Even the eternal optimists like me have to start asking some serious questions. We saw the results on the field this year. I know there were other reasons, but roster management is generally within the coaches control.

Losing Dorlus continues a trend of a lack of quality depth. Its concerning. If the staff doesn't figure it out, the defense will be vulnerable for years to come.

Losing Dorlus continues a trend of a lack of quality depth.

And that depth isn't even layered!

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

DT depth is definitely an issue. But if Settle hadn't left we would have had as good a 2 deep as anybody in the ACC this side of Clemson and we wouldn't even be having all this panic (actually a few probably still would be). Let's see how we finish up the 2019 class and one more before everybody freaks out. Used to have same conversations about OL and it is shaping up to be a huge strength for the next few years.

if Settle hadn't left we would have had as good a 2 deep as anybody in the ACC this side of Clemson

From my perspective, this simply isn't reality. We would have had the best starting two in the ACC this side of Clemson, but there's a HUGE drop off behind Walker and Settle. So yeah, the panic would still exist since 2019 looks bleak at that position.

Is it football season yet?

The huge drop-off would not be as noticeable and most people would think next year would be better.

Our defense cannot operate well with more than half of each level comprised of inexperienced players. It makes it hard for one unit to compensate for the others. Or even a member of one unit to help. I would bet Reggie Floyds' drop off in performance is related to the Hobson's Choices he was presented with.

If we had Settle up front our DT rotation would have been more effective and that would have contributed to less success on interior runs, helping the get pressure on the QB and potentially more TFLs.

to add to you're point:

Hewitt looked like at times he was gassed and needed a break, and when he was fresh he looked tremendously better. Having more rotation would have made him look better. Just by coming back with even better conditioning I think Hewitt will make a big jump. Settle was the biggest loss this team had last year, which is saying a lot with Edmundi and Stro, Adonis, Mook, Motu

I agree. The question is who becomes "the big man". With Settle and Walker our "little" tackle was 300 lbs. This year our "big" tackle was 300 lbs. I'm not sure how many of these guys are going to be close to 300. Maybe Porcher IV gets there. He's up to 272 this year. I don't know. I suppose with our defense "twitch" is more important than weight for the DTs but you can't deny how effective it was have a 330+ lb DT. I'm not saying Settle wasn't freakishly athletic, because he was. You know he was never left one-one with any O-Lineman and that meant Walker (or whoever was the other tackle) wasn't being double teamed.

Yeah, keeping Settle for one more year would not have fixed the structural roster management problem (on top of the fact Sttle wasn't shy about how much he hated school and his intentions to turn pro early)

I think to sit here an absolve the coaching staff of the situation by saying most of the issue at DT hinged on Settle isn't a realistic perspective.

This doesn't even mention the fact that settle and or Walker could've ripped an ACL at any moment and we would've been in the exact same situation.

The issue is that there is a hole at DT on the roster. The problem is years long and multi variables (recruiting misses, bad evals, kicking the can, and yes, some bad luck). I'm not blaming the coaches about the bad luck, that's irrelevant.

If we are going to have a productive discussion on this the overly positive people (like me) need to take off the VT colored shades for a moment, and the overly negative people need to stop blaming things on the coaches that are out of their control. That leads us to here:

We have a problem on the DLine multiple years in the making. People that know more than me have been sounding the alarm bells for years. The product on the field this year was partially a result of that roster hole. That's on the coaches.

I said it is an issue and potentially a very big one depending on how this cycle closes out. But Settle, Walker, Hewitt and Mihota would have been as good a line as any in the ACC except Clemson this past year.

The line would've been better this year but there are systemic roster issues regardless of Settles choice. But nobody should be talking about Settle, he left. It wasn't a surprise. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas.

Mihota was injured most of the year. The depth issues wouldn't have been solved by Settle. 2019 wouldn't have been solved by him.

Settle isn't anything more than an excuse. I interact with players on the team and it wasn't a secret that he was going pro. The DT situation isn't acceptable. Not if you want a winning program, that is.

Extremely well thought-out and really hits the nail on the head.

While there is no single cause or reason for our DL Recruting problems, they go well beyond just 2018 or being due to bad luck.

I find our overall Strategy in DL Recruiting to be difficult to understand. There does not seem to be a consistent strategy other than finding guys with the magic "twitch," that we apparently cannot live without.

If you just look at the past week, we lost a DT Recruit who was already considered a likely UF lean before committing to us, and our response to that was to offer a 4-5* DT who has already comitted to Bama. I just don't see where the coaches were trying to go with this. It should have been obvious that Dorlus was going to jump to UF at the drop of a hat, and chasing after Bama commits seems largely pointless. Our top JUCO Target eliminated us this week too and also was a long-shot from the start coming from Cali and reportedly wanting to sign with UCLA from High School.

At some point, this staff needs to figure out how to get DL on the team, period. If the current cast can't get the job done, then changes need to be made.

Recruiting is a function of long-term strategy, fundraising, available players who match your needs, fund-raising, your school appeal, fund-raising - you should see a trend here.

The intense reactions to one recruit and the changing of minds isn't new - the information is just all public now. Attrition isn't new, it's just in your face. Most of all, beating SEC schools and other schools who have 2x our budget requires VT to either raise more money or find kids who "want to be here."

You sell what you got for anyone in here that has a sales job. VT has great things to offer, but expectations are way too high and low over one recruit that everyone (including the coaches) knew would be iffy if Florida got involved. Would anyine suggest we not have offered him because we were afraid of Florida? I doubt it'. Additionally, the cycle isn't over and we are pushing for more DT's that might work out better for the team in the near future.

Speaking of decommitments, Miami has 13 NC, Louisville and Florida State 8, this year.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

In Miami's case: recruiting has always been a 3 way tug of war in Florida with the hierarchy shifting ever few years. I think we're transitioning to an era where UF is the big dawg of Florida.

That sucks, because of the three Florida teams, I dislike Florida the most. Their fans are more intolerable than those of Alabama, and that's saying something.

This! ^^^ as someone who grew up in Florida I concur. University of Florida fans are the worst.

"Roll Tyrod"

This is an interesting take. I dislike them the least. I know a lot of FSU fans and they are intolerable, and I HATE, HATE Miami with a passion. They are our true competitive rival of the last 20 or so years.

Miami fans are 75% just trashy S. Florida people who never went to college and grew up with the "Going to War" Miami teams. 100% the worst fan base in FL. I've met obnoxious UF and FSU fans (lately a few UCF as well) but not on the same scale as UM

Agreed, every team worth a damn has trashy bandwagoners, but Miami's alumni base is so tiny it's basically the entirety of the fanbase.

^^ 100%. I've met one Miami grad (an active duty guy I worked with), and he was awesome. Pretty much what you'd want a representative of your fanbase to be.

On the other hand, I've met quite a few Miami sidewalk alums, and every one of them was garbage

Leonard's rules for rooting for college teams -

1. If you didn't attend the school, you can never, ever refer to said team as "we".
2. Rooting for a school you didn't attend is perfectly acceptable as long as it is based on something concrete. Examples of concreteness are as follows -
2a) An immediate family member attended;
2b) More than one distant relative attended;
2c) You are considered "from" the state in which the school resides, ..."from" being defined as born in the state and/or permanent residence in the state for a consecutive period of at least 10 years starting no later than age 11. Age 11(1) is considered the age of consent when selecting a team to root for. If one decides to root for a team based on the "from" guidelines, proof must be provided that said team was rooted for during a down year.
2d) proof of full time employment by said school;
2e) monetary contribution to school's booster fund, education fund, or school sponsored service organization in a lump sum no less than $1000. Indirect contributions, i.e. ticket, concession, attire purchases will not be considered as having satisfied this requirement.
3) All Duke(basketball), UNC (basketball), Miami, and Alabama fans shall afford and allow immediate inspection and audit of their credentials at any time.

(1) Age 11 is also considered the maximum age at which any fan can wear a school's jersey with their own name on said jersey. Common practice dictates that all adult male fans refrain from wearing jerseys at all and adult female fans are encouraged to wear jerseys; as it's a pretty cute look.

Leonard. Duh.

the rest are fine but I categorically disagwe with 1. Fortunately I'm just a mass of sentient facial hair, so your rules don't apply to me.

hey....what are y--put that razor away Lenny

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

I lived in Atlanta for a while, and trust me , the most delusional fans I have ever met are the Georgia fans. Worse than any fans of any other team I have ever met. They think that historically they are on par with USC, ND, Texas, etc in terms of historically top programs.

I realize you guys are comparing Florida teams just had to throw in my hate for the UGA fanbase.

haha, I was listening to the radio here in Raleigh the other day when they had their weekly hour or 2 with Woody Wes Durham and he went off about how delusional the UGa fanbase is. It was glorious. And given that he lives in Atlanta and is the play by play guy for the Falcons, he would know.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I think you're talking about Wes Durham. Before he was the Falcons play-by-play guy, he was the voice of the Yellow Jackets, where he probably derived his opinion on the UGa fanbase.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Shit, you're right. His dad was Woody Durham, who was the announcer for UNC for years and years growing up.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I am waiting to hear that they are better than ND, been to 7 conference championship games to ND's 0.

Don't forget UCF when discussing Florida teams. They are national champions for a reason. /s/

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

So...is thisnwht bud has been coaching from the box?

We put the K in Kwality

So...is thisnwht bud has been coaching from the box?

The joke was supposed to be: So this is why Bud has been coaching from the box.

I love iPhone autocorrect. Won't fix that...but will correct the to thee (cause we all use that!).

We put the K in Kwality

Virginia Tech University

... makes me wonder if he would have even been eligible academically.

I have hesitated to comment on the VT defensive tackle recruiting this cycle, primarily because I don't like to discuss any areas about a recruit until after they have signed.

I will offer these thoughts:
1) None of the HS recruits targeted by VT have overwhelmed me. Once Adarious Jones, Josh Harris, and Savion Jackson (who I think would have moved inside at VT) were off the table, I didn't see any potential difference makers in the targets. It could just be a weak class in the southeast. I am not savvy enough to the recruiting world to know for sure.

2) Two commitments are in place, which means (if Burke and Taylor come back) means VT has six scholarships allotted to defensive tackles next year. Any additional scholarships allocated need to be on difference makers.

3) Of the JUCO kids, Cunningham would probably be my first choice, although if he can't enroll to participate in winter conditioning and spring ball, that dampers my enthusiasm significantly. None of the potential targets have the upside of freshman year Ricky Walker, much less Ricky Walker after he developed.

If I were the staff, unless you are 100% sure that you can get two DTs who can play 20 reps+ a game without hurting you from JUCO, I am throwing every feeler I can to the best uncommitted DT recruits I can find, and try to flip some. Having 8 scholarship DTs where 6 are not difference makers is just as big a problem as having 4.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

None of the HS recruits targeted by VT have overwhelmed me. Once Adarious Jones, Josh Harris, and Savion Jackson (who I think would have moved inside at VT) were off the table, I didn't see any potential difference makers in the targets. It could just be a weak class in the southeast. I am not savvy enough to the recruiting world to know for sure.

The staff at NCSU has been killing it with the DL recruiting the last two cycles. Its a difficult pill to swallow that we couldn't even get one of the quality inside guys from NC.

Is it football season yet?

I am somewhat relieved that you think Cunningham could provide some meaningful snaps for us because I think he is one we have a real shot at landing.

Crawford could be something, especially if he can enroll for winter conditioning. I would not offer Williams, and if Fuga, Cunningham, and Crawford all said yes I would only take 2 of the 3 and Fuga would be one.

*with the caveat that I am just not a big believer in JUCOs

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

I think Crawford will be a player. Luckily he'll be signing in December and enrolling in January. Hewitt may have to have some minor clean-up stuff in his shoulder during the spring, so the snaps would definitely be there for Crawford to get up to speed in the defense. I think he can be a Woody Baron type of guy for us (not the production but that style of play).

As for me, I would take all three of Crawford, Cunningham, and Fuga.

I loved Logan Cash