OT: Black Panther discussion thread (Spoilers)

Didn't see any threads on here discussing Black Panther, apologies if missed one. Overall I liked the movie, I think in my head I had a lot of unrealistic expectations for it, which obviously it didn't meet, but solid movie never the less. I like how we got a decent chunk of backstory into Wakanda and how it came to exist. The casino scene in South Korea was pretty cool, where they ended up catching Klaw. I liked all the gadgets in the movie, and the Black Panther suit has to be the coolest in the Marvel Universe. There were several interesting plot twists with T'Chaka killing his brother to save Zuri, Killmonger killing Klaw and challenging T'Challa for the throne, internal conflict between the 5 tribes, etc. It was definitely one of the more serious Marvel movies I've seen, but it had bits of humor in between an the sound track was bumping.

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Saw it last night. Fantastic film. I loved that it was a different kind of internal conflict. The African culture they portrayed in the film was beautiful as well.

My only complain was Michael B. Jordan didn't seem to be at his best and I can't put a finger on why. It's almost as if he was trying too hard or something. I'm not sure. It wasn't a big deal.

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He's never played a villain role before, and he specifically requested that he play a villain in his next big movie. Probably could be argued that he needed a "warmup" villain movie but I'm not complaining.

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I actually thought he didnt get enough screen time and cosigned some of his views in the movie. But this isn't the UWS...

I thought the movie was great...still trying to decide which is better between this and Dark Knight..I hold Dark Knight in high regard and Black Panther is better than Winter Soldier and Civil War, IMO..

Civil war=best marvel has done so far (IF you are a fan of action).....imo.

I used to have Winter Soldier as my favorite MCU movie but I think Civil War has inched by it. Each time I watch it, the more I like it. Should note that Black Panther is definitely in my top 5. Probably top 3.

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My top 4 are easily Ragnarok, Black Panther, Civil War, and Winter Solider. I don't think I could pick a #1.

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... seeing it tonight.

So fucking hype

It's fucking awesome

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Saw it today, and my only complaint was that it didn't tie into infinity war enough for me... small grapes but this movie was awesome! It had a smart plot and characters that didn't dumb the movie down at all. Considering that a chunk of infinity war takes place in Wakanda, it's easy to assume the power of that nation comes from the soul stone.

I loved this movie, as a marvel stand alone it was outstanding

Marvel flexes it's muscles again. Great movie, great plot, great acting. I loved the backstory of Wakanda, and thought they did a great job of painting that picture. Good action scenes that weren't obtusely long and ood humor sprinkled throughout. I thought Chadwick Boseman knocked it out the park, he's a perfect fit for Black Panther!

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I'll go against the grain and say it was a good, fun movie, but not great. The plot was fairly simple and none of the action scenes beside the car chase really stood out for me.

MBJ is a cool cat and I really liked his opening scene but some of his later lines especially the last one just felt like it was trying too hard to be edgy

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Agreed on the MBJ bits. I think they went a little too far on the "im just going to say my motivations train" with his character rather than show them. In my opinion any time a movie does that it seems like lazy writing. Would have loved to see a scene of him trying to overthrow governments without wakandan tech and failing driving home that the vibranium was his only option.

That being said, I thought that the character development was excellent as a whole. I told my brother on the way out that there were 7 or 8 characters I actually cared about at the end. Impressive given that they were almost all entirely new

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Based on the trailers I thought there was going to be more build up and heist like confrontations and I would have liked that more than the Wakanda battle. The gem of the movie were the three female characters. I thought all three of them were very good.

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Absolutely loved this movie. I'm a huge fan of all things cinematography. Thus I'm usually pretty critical of movies that half-arse their way through telling a story.

I walked away from this movie feeling like this is one of the more thorough comic book films that I've seen in awhile. I also feel like predominantly casted black films tend to lack substance, and often veer towards stereotypical social black stigmatisms. This movie did nothing of that. I walked away feeling even more proud of my heritage. I fully intend to show my 2 year old son this movie some day so that he can hopefully walk away the way that I felt this evening.

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Saw it in 3D last night. very strong visuals. A better 3D display than The Last Jedi.

This guy Ryan Coogler (Director) is going to be a star. As I mentioned in my earlier take on this movie, the cinematography was amazing. I didn't even realize he did as much color imagery as he did, evident in this video. After videos like this I walk away that much more impressed by how the story was told.

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Absolutely loved how this movie stood on its on own and didn't need to depend on the avengers for its backstory.

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I got a little excited at the beginning of the movie seeing Sterling K. Brown, because I didn't know he was tied to the movie. Then, a little let down when they killed him 3 and a half minutes in.

But, the movie was great, it's a good standalone, much like the original Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor. Even though Black Panther was in Winter Soldier, I'm glad they did a proper introduction/standalone film for him.

Even with all of the amazing talent and character development in this movie, Shuri was easily my favorite.

Yeah she was the comedy relief for sure in the movie, but it wasn't TOO much comedy to the point of dumbing down the move. I literally was a step ahead of her during this scene, and screamed out during the movie right along with her "What are those" some old folks next to me had a look on their face like, "he must've seen this movie already" lol.

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Ha, that would've happened to me. I'm an old, so it wasn't until afterward that I learned that it was a meme. I'm also glad I found this clip because the theater was laughing so hard I didn't catch the dialogue.

But it worked because it is something a little sister would say to their older, out of touch with fashion, sibling.

Edit: this will have to do until HD clips are available.

Pretty solid. Liked the story and explanation of wakanda. Thought the action was a step back from other recent marvel however. Also glad they didnt go crazy with political undertones. There were some but they werent nuts.

One big complaint: Why even bother being stealthy/elusive/agile (like a panther) when you have a suit far more indestructable than iron mans that as a bonus you can fit in a necklace that shoots over your whole body at will. Also it stores energy so it can dispense massive aoe damage. my point: suit is way overpowered.

Maybe they use the suite to absorb some of Gauntlets Energy and shoot it back at Thanos...

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Unless the vibranium from the comet/meteor long ago is powered by an infinity stone, no taco. And even IF it could, it would be VERY little.

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when you have a suit far more indestructible than iron mans

I disagree that vibranium tech>arc reactor tech. I believe it's on par. Also (on that note), now that Disney owns a significant portion of Fox 20th Century, vibranium gets bumped to 2nd place behind adamantium.

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Im saying as far as toughness/indestructability goes. How many times have you seen iron man armour get all jacked up and broken. Direct example would be caps shield breaking apart iron mans suit in civil war and never taking a dent. Vibranium is much more durable than iron mans metal alloy. Ooh, imagine an iron man suit made out of vibranium!

I think (in the actual comics) he does have one. For the MCU, that'd be pretty freaking awesome (if he doesn't have one already since his fam kinda already had an in with the metal). But a suit made out of adamantium is BETTER.
I agree with the durability point, however I can throw in the wrinkle that Stark has gone up against superior opponents (sans Cap). I think Iron Monger, Whiplash/Crimson Dynamo & the Mandarin are more powerful than Killmonger.

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From the infinity wars trailer:

Possibly some Wakandan tech here.

A combo of the two (which it's safe to assume he already possessed some Wakanda tech).

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I loved it.

I loved it, marvel has had a terrific year between this and thor ragnarok

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

Ragnarok and Black Panther are definitely going to be a lot of people's favorite marvel movies thus far

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Also, the soundtrack is dope. Fyi.
Go check that shit out

The score is absolutely friggin LIT & legit. I want it.

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I really enjoyed the movie, but I have one critique.

I thought Killmonger was an extremely flat character. He's just angry the whole movie, until the end of the last fight scene.

It appears everybody else loved his character and MBJ's performance, so what am I missing?

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I was not a fan of MBJ but I have yet to be able to express why.

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For me, I didn't feel the leap from "revenge for my father's death" to "take over the world".

I was talking to my wife about it. I think his lines seemed pretty bland, and the way he said them just seemed forced at time. I do think, that everyone else speaking in an accent and him speaking American English might have distorted my perception of him.

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Yeah when T'challa comes back he yells something like "LET'S STICK TO THE MISSION" or something like that, he definitely used mission, and it just felt cheesy.

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I thought the same thing. I'm a fan of MBJ, but I guess this was his first time playing a villain. Maybe it just doesn't suit him to play the bad guy?

It was okay. Definitely not worthy of the 98% Rotten Tomatoes score it got. I thought it was a C+ movie, maybe B-

I agree with your 98% point

A few weeks back, I called several friends of mine on the left coast, asking if they knew anybody involved in the production of this movie. Nobody did, which really dashed my hopes. I was hoping to somehow score an invite to one of the premiere parties surrounding this movie. My goal was to go to the party and get into an argument with one of the partygoers there, so I could credibly use this line:

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Just saw it last night, & while it is #legit it wasn't the greatest film of the series. Here's my order of the MCU:
1. Marvel's The Avengers
2. Captain America: First Avenger
3. Iron Man 2 (don't hate)
4. Thor
5. Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 1
6. Captain America: Civil War (a.k.a. Avengers 3: Civil War)
7. TIE: Iron Man & Dr. Strange
8. Black Panther
9. Ant-Man
10. TIE: Avengers: Age of Ultron & Iron Man 3

I could put BP as high as #6 or #5 in the future.

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Man that's the lowest I've ever seen Civil War on anyone's MCU rankings.

EDIT: no winter solider either?

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I could go as high as #5, and yes it was spectacular. I just wanted (& felt) they could've done with story, plot & script. This isn't a final list.

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For what? Civil War?

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Yeah. How's the extended cut? Have you/anyone seen it?
EDIT: and sorry about Winter Soldier. It does deserve to be in my top 10. Like I said. List not final. Will edit later.

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I was going along nicely until I hit #3 and goshdangit I'm gonna hate. Iron Man 2 is blah. Personally my least favorite MCU movie.

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Permit me to explain: 1) War Machine is one of my favorite characters; 2) introduction of Black Widow; 3) the new (cleaner & sustainable) element; 4) serious character development for Stark; 5) lead off to Thor.

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Trying not to nerd rage on this list.

I appreciate the effort.

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FWIW I agree with your placement of the movie being discussed.

Which Thor?

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The 1st.

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Y'all should all know how hard it was for me to avoid this thread all week...I normally thumb through them without thinking.

Before my thoughts, I must point out that at 11:30am the theater at VCC in Richmond was probably more full than I have ever seen it, and I have been going there for years. It's pretty dinky these days compared to some others and is rarely very busy. My showing was close to sold out...and no assigned seats means some chaos close to show time. On my way out the line was out the door to buy tickets. I was blown away. And I almost never miss movies I want to see on premier weekend. This is going to make tons of money

Now...my honest opinion with this one was that it was okay. It was visually stunning and they did a magnificent job translating culture into something that works very well in the Marvel Universe. But the story didn't resonate with me. I was reminded of the standalone Hulk movie. I was entertained but just didn't care enough about it to be on the edge of my seat.

I thought Andy Serkis' part in it was forced. A limb they went out on to bridge the gap between what was set up in Age of Ultron. I love Andy Serkis too, so this disappointed me. If he wasn't in this at all I don't know how much it would have changed it.

Michael B Jordan also didn't do it for me. His whole situation felt too invented and I didn't get any real feeling from what he was trying to do. It was just "This happened to me and now I wanna fuck shit up."

Chadwick Boseman did a great job portraying his character. The action scenes where he was in his suit is what I wanted to see though, and I felt there wasn't enough of it. I felt this way about the first Iron Man too, though.

Martin Freeman was surprisingly good in this. I actually didn't realize he had such a big part, and it was fun getting a bit more of his backstory.

The absolute shining part of this movie we're the three female leads. They stood out more to me than the main character. The humor and action they brought made the movie.

I think maybe because I am so ready for Infinity War (please don't let me down), this one was just a little slow for me. I will be in the minority though. But hey, I would and will watch it again. Probably when the crowds die down.

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