2018 Bracketology Thread

Since there are lots of forecasters out there, and a lot will change between now and Selection Sunday, let's make a thread that can hold everything in one place for now.

7 Mar updates:

Special shout-out to my grad school, Wright State, for winning the Horizon League last night. They're going dancing for the first time since 2007.

Bracket Matrix was updated yesterday evening, with VT still showing up as an 8-seed.

CBS Sports' Jerry Palm still has VT as an 8-seed.

For those of you who were still worried about that kind of thing, Sports Illustrated now lists VT as a lock for the tourney. I wasn't that worried, honestly.

I normally don't look into Bracket Matrix's component brackets much, but one in particular stood out to me today. Something called "NumberFire" actually has VT out of the tournament. According to their "About" page, they are "the next generation sports analytics platform," claiming to have "unprecedented insight that allows us to predict...better than any competitor." Among these unprecendented insights:

  • Clemson is a 2-seed
  • Temple's in as an 11-seed
  • Loyola-Chicago is an 8-seed

With insights like these, it's no wonder they can charge $49.99 a month (!) for their "March Madness Bracket Advice + Help."

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The bracketology released today has VT in the east playing Nevada in the 7-10 matchup. We'd be in UVa's bracket...salivating at this prospect.

Today's bracket has both WVU and VT in UVA's bracket. Find a way to put Michigan State in there and the UVA schadenfreude would be amazing.

😋

West Vacated, U of Vacated, and Vacated State?

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

West Virginia, Virginia, and Virginia State?

Recruit Prosim

Interesting matchup from a storyline perspective. Josh Chambers (former graphic designer, current director of recruiting operations)'s brother is the director of basketball operations for Nevada. Slightly more removed from the court than the Jackson brothers' encounter in Atlanta, but if it's in the big dance, I imagine they'd give it some airtime.

I like our chances against Louisville and Miami...both teams haven't been playing great lately. We win those and we keep trending upwards...which can hopefully get us out of the 8/9 matchup. All the projected 1-seeds look beatable but even more so for the 2 and 3 seeds. Especially considering I think we'd avoid a potentially hot Duke/UNC team due to conference ties?

just remember... we're a 20 win team that can finish no worse than .500 in ACC play who has wins over #10 UNC, @ #2 UVa, NCSU and #15 Clemson, in the past month with losses to Miami and #12 Duke.

We're a 10-seed that is legitimately a loss against Louisville, Top 10 Duke, or @ Miami from being relegated to the NIT. According to these idiots, we very well could earn the ACC Tournament double bye (we have tiebreakers over both NCSU and Clemson) and not make the NCAA Tournament because the likes of Washington, Iowa and Ole Miss weren't good enough this year.

To put this in perspective... Oklahoma, losers of 6 in a row, sitting at 16-10 on the season, 6-9 in conference play, and 2nd to last in the B-12 standings after getting whipped by 30 last night against Kansas is also a 10-seed.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

To put this in perspective... Oklahoma, losers of 6 in a row, sitting at 16-10 on the season, 6-9 in conference play, and 2nd to last in the B-12 standings after getting whipped by 30 last night against Kansas is also a 10-seed.

B-but muh Trae Young

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Didn't work for LSU and Ben Simmons.

During a time when Oklahoma hasn't won a game, VT has beaten 3 Top 15 programs, including the current #1 team in their own barn.

Yet, here we are. Rated the same, despite us having a better overall and conference record in arguably a tougher league. They can't finish any better than .500, we can't finish any worse than .500... Yet here we are.

The double standard is real

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Cool kids fly under the radar. It's all good.

Leonard. Duh.

Unfortunately you need to be on the radar to make the tournament

Trae Young is not good. There I said it.

"It's a miracle in Blacksburg, TYROD DID IT MIKEY, TYROD DID IT!"

Oh. I thought Trae Young was a university, as many times as his name flashes across the bottom of my TV screen.

/s

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-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

Yes...its a spinoff university from Brigham Young...

VHokie

Just within the last few days, a "how far will Trae Young and OK make it in the tournament" segment on ESPN. Why is this even still a conversation at this point? Their record is worse than ours and can't win a game to save a life.

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-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

They must be talking about the Big XII tourney.

My blood pressure is steadily increasing as I try to understand how in the name of Zeus's butthole FSU is a 6 seed and we are a 10. I may have gone awry when I attempted to apply logic. Anyone got a clue??

I posted this in another thread. Sorry this won't make your blood pressure drop at all.

FSU lost one OOC game to OK State. That was also the only team they played that was better than 151 in the RPI. We played 4 teams better than 151 and went 3-1. I will probably make an excel sheet later out of rage showing more examples but that is insane. Remember, FSU currently sits as a 6 seed.

The CBS Sports Bracket is the one I have followed and think is more accurate. It is a few days old from the 19th but had us at a 9 seed then. FSU is a 8 seed, Miami a 9 and OU a 7. Keep in mind this was updated the morning of the 19th. It will be interesting to see how it shakes up. I expect us to move up to an 8, OU to fall, Clem to fall from a 3.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Just get in and win... thats all.

Is it football season yet?

Updated with ESPN's latest Bubble Watch

We also move up to 7 seed on CBS sports

If that Midwest bracket came to fruition, I would expect nothing less than a sweet 16, and not be surprised at a Final Four. Buzz's team could feast in that made up bracket, assuming the defense was on point and Bibbs and Robinson's 3 pt shots are working.

Leonard. Duh.

Yeah, I looked at that and thought "Wow, we'd be playing Xavier for a chance at a Final Four."

And you look at UVA's draw and think, "Creighton in round 2 doesn't feel great, Wichita/Gonzaga in round 3 doesn't feel great and, oh look, Mich State in the Great 8."

Which sounds better Great 8 or Elite Eight. I am partial to the alliteration over the rhyme myself.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

I like Palm's analysis the best. Lunardi gets a lot of run, but his "success" is just about moving his board around an hour before it becomes public.

I was, however, confused by the bottom of Palm's analysis. He ranks all the seeds so you can see, for instance, that VT is the 2nd highest 7 seed and TCU is the highest 6th seed. That surprised me, feels like TCU hasn't done anything of value since the beginning of January. Then at the bottom, he has the Bubble Teams all listed so you can see the teams that are on the outside compared to the teams he has in. But.....he doesn't even have VT listed as a Bubble Team but he does have TCU. And he has TCU 6 slots higher on the S-Curve.

Anyway, let's win enough games to get to that 6 seed. That's a Sweet 16 appearance slot.

Last year's seeding (matchup) was just terrible for both teams. Was essentially a second round game played in the first round. Whatever combination gets us in but with a fair shot to work our way up I'm okay with.

The CBS bracket I saw the other day that had us playing #1 Kansas in game two though...Didn't like that one particularly well either. Maybe if we're hot 🔥 in the ACC tourney with some momentum, but I'd need to see continued success next two weeks before I'm comfortable with Kansas.

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-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

Without having seen many of the non-ACC projected 1 & 2 seeds this season, who does VT match up best and worst against?

I'll actually take Kansas and play hack-a-Shaq with their big who might be a worse free throw shooter than the Diesel.

That guy's free throw form is an affront to the game itself.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Somebody wake Fullard up, we need his five fouls.

I hate being overlooked just as much as the next guy, but I'm pretty fucking stoked that we're having these conversations and have no reason to suspect that we won't be having similar conversations every year. If 15 years ago someone told me we'd be arguing every February about whether we're in or what seed we'd be, I'd laugh in their faces. I was just so used to knowing by now that spring football was the only thing to look forward to.

Here's to Buzz and the amazing work he and his guys are doing. It's been really fun to watch.

Now go kick the snot out of team 6, Puke, and Thug U.

After the L today I'm thinking the Duke game Monday is pretty much one we need to get. We've all been saying it since the start of the season: 10-8. That's the magic ACC record to get us in every year. Adding this win would pretty objectively lock us into the field.

Don't have a lot of confidence in winning at Miami. They have been playing really bad recently but Jim L usually has them ready for us and we haven't won there since JJ did in I wanna say December 2013. Also if I remember correctly they're in a new arena now.

I don't wanna say must win, but if we aren't going to rely on the ACC tournament to get in, this Duke game is kinda looking like one

Updated with projections from Sunday.

Shit, who is team rankings

They use simulations for the rest of the remaining games. They have VT with a 39.9% chance of making the NCAAT, with 1.5% of those being simulations where VT wins the ACCT.

I'm not surprised some show us as out. Our consistency seems to be an issue. We lost at home to a team we were supposed to beat. I think this is why many experts were hesitant to show us as a lock.

I think we may have a shot at Miami. Seems we play better away then at home this year.

Not sure how this formula works, but this shows the teams with the most similar resume and if they got into the NCAA Tournament or not.

Source

RPI is a trouble spot, but as long as we're in the conversation and don't get blown out down the stretch the win at UVA should keep us on the right side of the cut.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Was this assuming 2 more losses?

Getting dat 7 seed would be yuge.

Old sigline: I've been cutting back on the drinking.

New Sigline: lol it's football season.

Joey Brackets still has us as a 10 seed even after Saturday's loss; however, we're now showing underneath the "last four byes" field:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

How is a host city for the east Boise?

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

It's called March Madness for a reason!

New "Bubble Watch" on ESPN this morning. It has us in the "Locks" category. We did it FAM!

I can't figure out this RPI thing. We have a worse RPI than every single one of the "Should be in" and "Work to do" teams in the ACC, but we have a better BPI, SOS, and SOR than EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. What gives? Is one of the metrics used in RPI "name recognition" or "prior success"?

Now, I will say that we've lost to all of those teams below us except for NC State and fingers crossed for a split with Miami, but we also have beaten every team above us. Maybe I'm being a homer, but that RPI number seems like an outlier.

Go Tech Go.

RPI has been given less and less importance over the years, while predictive metrics like KenPom and BPI have gained more importance.

@Fightin_Gobbler

Go Hokies

Go Falcons

RPI is a very simple formula:

RPI = (Winning% * 0.25) + (OpponentsWinning% * 0.50) + (OpponentsOpponentsWinning% * 0.25)

For the winning percentage calculations a road win is weighted more than a home win (and vice versa for road loss/home win).

It's an old formula that was first used in 1981 and does an okay job of ordering teams, but there are much better ranking systems that have been created in the 30+ years since it was introduced.

RPI is skewed by playing your non-conference "warm-up" games against teams in the high 100s/low 200s rather than the 200s and 300s like we did. Should be auto-wins either way but makes a huge difference in RPI at the end of the year. It's why you hear the non-conference SoS argument against us all the time.

The dumbest part is the committee is supposed to view each team as an independent for at-large spots. If that's the case then overall SOS matters, non-conference is only as relevant as the amount it factors into overall.

Rip his freaking head off!

FWIW, they do have us up to 47 now.

Go Tech Go.

Walking in on the other ACC locks:

#StopCussin

EDIT: Fixed

#StopCussing

/s

Stop cussing is gonna be hard for me I cuss over 50 times a day

Roses are red. FSU is ded

I have never looked at the crowd around him. Strong air drums at the bottom. Also, based on the reaction, it looks like the blonde girl behind the sign asked if the dude if he's ever had a threesome.

I appreciate all the support, and I appreciate all the hate I am getting. I will continue to work as hard as I can to be the best I can be and bring this team a championship. Go Hokies 🐔 - Josh Jackson

"NO I SURE HAVENT WHY DO YOU ASK"

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

I feel about 90% confident the question was, "do you know him?"

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Lol I know this kid. When we saw this on ESPN we all laughed so hard. He's a really nice guy, but local kid so grew up with a very strong hatred of the Hoos. Also one of the funniest people I know.

Can you get him on here for a TKP-style AMA?

I'll try my best. His schedule is probably pretty packed with all this fame he has acquired.

Updated with 27 Feb projections.

We aint gotta listen to Lunardi... we're in!

-Buzz Williams.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

SB Nation has us an a 9 seed.

USA Today has us as an 8 seed.

Bleacher Report has us as an 8 seed.

It'd be really nice if we could squeeze into a 7 seed.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

What seed are we if we win the ACC tourney?

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Probably a 5 or 6, I would guess.

Call me crazy but I prefer if we are the higher seed. College basketball is very much a mental game and going in as the higher seed would be fine. Granted thats a 9-10 at this point so not a ton of difference between 7-10 seeds and last year didnt quite work out for us.

I'd much rather be a 7 or a 10 seed than a 8-9 seed. Playing a #1 second round is a daunting task and lots of the 7/10 matchups seem pretty even.

Thats a good point, unless its UVA... but slim chance we are in same bracket.

I'm pretty sure that we can't be an 8 or 9 seed in the same bracket with UVa. I'm not sure that it's a "rule", but it's standard practice to avoid letting teams from the same conference meet in the first weekend.

“You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

Wisconsin would like a word.

Though I argue they got a terrible seed and were way too low.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I said the same thing last year before we ended up losing anyway. Being in the 10/7 or even 11/6 matchup is much more advantageous in the second round. Even though you're likely to play a quote/unquote good team later in the tourney if you keep progressing, there's something that rubs me the wrong way about winning the first round only to be rewarded with playing the 1 seed.

Go Tech Go.

We beat UVA, and Duke, and UNC - I think I will take that reward knowing what our team can do.

Can anyone explain why the 2006-07 team got a 5th seed with not as many top 25 wins (just as many top 10 wins, though) and some bad losses to Western Michigan, George Washington, and Marshall, but this team is looking like an 8th seed at best and 7th if we're lucky?

Marshall University student.
Virginia Tech fanatic.

We finished the regular season tied for 4th and won the tie breaker to get the bye in the ACC tourney (they didn't have a double bye back then). We lost in the semi's of the ACC tourney.

We're up to an 8 seed in Lunardi's latest update. Not sure a loss at Miami hurts us that much in terms of where we land, but I think I win could really help and bump us up to at least a 7 seed. Not to mention the worst we could finish in the ACC by beating Miami would be 5th.

I'm really bullish on where we will be seeded. Maybe I'm crazy but I think if we beat Miami and maybe a game in the conference tournament, and we are looking at a 4-6 seed.

Right now I just want to beat Miami so we avoid an 8/9 seed in the ACC tournament. If we land there and win our first game we would have to play UVA on one nights rest. Not ideal for a run.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

If we lose and all the current favorites win, we get the 7th seed and have to play 10th seed louisville (if they win, which they will). Kill Me.

Best scenario is we win and (I think) Clemson and NC State just drop one of their next two games and we get double bye. There are also not unrealistic scenarios where we get third seed.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I think the best case scenario is that we beat Miami, get the double bye and promptly go on a 10 game win streak

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

And follow it with a 15 game win streak in the fall. Go Hokies!

^^This^^

Best case scenario is that we win every single game from Saturday to April 2nd!

Is it football season yet?

If UNC loses in addition to what you said we get third seed.

I'm rooting for UVA to make history and become the first one seed to lose to a 16 seed. Or, they could just crash and burn and not win another game this season. That'd be cool too.

I do as well, I think we are only being held up at this point by the OOC SOS, which is much less important when you are clearly in the field. Once you are in, seeds are going to be by who you have beaten, especially recently.

I've been thinking all year we were a 4 seed in the ACC-T and a 6 seed in the NCAA. Win this weekend at Miami and I feel confident both of those things will come true. {I've also had it in my mind that we make the Sweet 16}

Palm has us at an 8 seed as well playing Middle Tennessee State in Pittsburgh... Can someone say road trip?

I can't wait to shred my bracket after the first day of the tournament.

Bracket Matrix update:

Bracket Matrix is tracking 116 online bracket predictions. (Keep in mind, I highly doubt all 116 have been updated since the Duke win and some are likely complete hacks)

• We average a 9 seed.
• We're IN on 114 out of 116 brackets
• We're the 34th highest seeded team, up from 38th pre-Duke.
• We're listed as high as a 6 seed on eight of the 116. We're a 7 seed on thirteen brackets.

Most famous ones:
• Lunardi (ESPN) - 8 seed
• Jerry Palm - 8 seed
• Brackettville – 7 seed
• Stewart Mandel 8 seed

Let's hope we can win a couple more to get up to a 7 seed, to get out of that dreaded 8/9 spot.

GO HOKIES AND QUIT CUSSIN'!!!

First Buzz then Coach Fu - In Whit We Trust

Normally I'd agree with wanting a 7 or 10 seed, but 8 and 9s have had recent success vs 1 seeds, and in addition we've beaten 3 teams this year who have a shot at being a 1 seed so we could go toe-to-toe.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

I just do not understand why so much emphasis is placed on a couple bad teams we played back in November.

According to bracketmatrix, we are the "worst" 8 seed right now.

Just for comparison sake, TCU is the "best" 6 seed - 11 spots ahead of us.

Let's compare the 2:

TEAM A:
Overall: 21-9
Conference: 10-7
Top 5 wins over RPI: @1, 4, 6, 10, 49
Worst 5 losses over RPI: 136, 47, @44, @39, 39

TEAM B:
Overall: 21-9
Conference: 9-8
Top 5 wins over RPI: 16, 21, 29, @58, 58
Worst 5 losses over RPI: @122, @63, @60, 37, @37

Which is the 8 seed and which is the 6?

But... but.... BigXII is duh behstest of ahl time!

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Big XII ain't played noboby PAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWL!

That's just what the "smart guys" think.

If the committee actually does blind resume comparisons we might be pleasantly surprised on Selection Sunday.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Because they played the powerhouse triplet of UL Monroe, Tennessee Tech, and Nebraska Omaha while we played the cupcakes Detroit Mercy, Citadel, and Moorehead State.

This has been my point all along. OOC SOS gets destroyed by playing teams that are ranked close to or in the 300's while mid to low 200 teams don't hurt you near as much even though THEY ALL SUCK THE SAME. All teams above 200 should essentially be considered the same. There is a reason there is no category on a teams resume listing losses to teams with an RPI over 200. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. I guarantee there are less than 4 teams in the top 80 RPI that have a loss to a team that's over 200.

The point of all this is to say these teams are essentially the same. They are money games that you chalk up to a win before the season starts and know your walk ons will get plenty of PT. Losses to these teams happen, but I'm willing to bet it a loss to the number 220 team happens just as much as a loss to the number 300 team. Getting shit on for these wins is beyond stupid when we played our actual competition (around 150 and below) pretty damn well.

Sorry rant over.

Just for completion sake, I did run the same numbers for the "worst" wins of both teams:

VT
Bottom 5 wins over RPI: 347, 337, 317, 304, 288, 284

TCU
Bottom 5 wins over RPI: 277, 260, 199, 194, 157

VT has 6 wins "worse" than TCU's "worse" win. The bottom line is that we have to do a better job trying to schedule teams we think will finish in the 200 range and not the 300 range. Crazy to think but scheduling Detroit Mercy, Citadel, and Moorehead State could mean the difference in making the Sweet 16 or not (5/6 seed vs 8/9 seed).

Good information. You can argue if it's fair or not but it isn't an unknown, or even recent, development that OOC SOS strongly influences RPI and I don't think there's a good excuse for not recognizing that and trying to correct it. Greenberg missed the tournament at least once because of this type of scheduling. It's not great for our seed to suffer but would've been even worse if we had missed the tournament because of it.

That said, if the committee places a large emphasis on the quadrant system when determining seeds that might soften the factors weighing down our RPI. We went 3-1 in Quadrant 3 and 8-0 in Quadrant 4 games, which is on the high side, but the B1G and mid-major schools played a ton of Q3 and Q4 games this year (Michigan State was 10-0 in Q3 and 9-0 in Q4).

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It is interesting to look at our schedule the one year Greenberg did go to the tournament. We had OOC losses to Marshall, GW and Western Michigan. Our best OOC wins were Iowa and Seton Hall. We went 10-6 in conference with 2 wins over UNC (#1 & #4) and 1 over Duke (#5). We were a #5 seed in the tournament that year. I feel like our resume is better this year and it seems like we are looking at a 7-9 seed.

I agree we need to schedule better. I just think its dumb how much it plays a part. The entire ACC lost two OOC games to teams over 150 in the RPI. A couple more teams lost to GT and they're 164 so I'm only counting OOC for this. Two games. GT lost to Grambling by 1 which is horrible cause Grambling is 253, and Pitt lost to Navy (186). Yes, you read that right. Pittsburgh, the winless dumpster fire of a formerly great basketball program only lost 1 game to a team OOC with an RPI worse than 150. They went 6-0 against teams ranging from 200-350 and went a respectable 8-2 against OOC teams between 100-350 RPI.

This is why I said rant over. Becuase I understand we need to do a better job scheduling, I just don't see any evidence as to how you can truly evaluate a team or determine their seeding based on the worst teams they played that year. If you're good enough for at an large bid to the NCAA tournament, you're not losing to those teams whether they're 200 or 300, but the difference between those two SOS rankings could be a full seed or two. I think that is ridiculous.

Looked quickly through the resumes of current tourney teams according to Lunardi. Looks like there are a few losses to teams over 200 from seeds 1-11. From 150-180 there are quite a few more losses, maybe a little over 15 total, but over 200 you're hard pressed to find them.

I believe our worst loss was in a tournament? Do we even have control over that? Just asking.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

ESPN gives TCU the benefit of the doubt because they played against Trae Young and we have not. That alone moves them up 2-3 seeds /s

1-0 every week

After Miami's win @UNC, I think we have a chance to be as high as the #3 seed in the ACC tournament. We beat Miami, Duke beats UNC, Clemson loses to either FSU or Syracuse, NC State loses to either GT or Louisville, and Louisville loses to UVA. Worst case scenario we are locked into the 8/9 game if we lose to Miami, Clemson and NC State win one of their final two games, and Louisville beats UVA or NC State.

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Updated for 28 Feb projections.

I actually think 8 is right where we belong. I used Bracket Matrix to do a comparison of some of the other teams that are getting higher seeds, and the only one that befuddles me is Nevada.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Try Rhode Island.

The thing that hurts us is the non-conference schedule for that comparison. Granted a head to head matchup with UVA was an arse whooping (#stopcussing) for URI. That 21, 22, 43 for their best wins is shameful.
https://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/team-comparison/VATECH/RI

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

OOC & in-conference SOS shouldn't matter individually when comparing 2 teams from different conferences. It should simply be SOS.

Yeah, they've beaten approximately nobody.

How a team like that gets ranked in the top 25 I have no idea. That goes for Nevada as well. I don't know if we're deserving of a higher seeding based upon our inconsistency, but the ACC is way harder than the A10. Wonder if Buzz is ever going to consider more challenging out of conference games, similar to how he did with Kentucky this year?

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

They had the longest winning streak in the Country for a while. They soundly beat Saint Louis, something we can't say. The A10 is normally a better conference than they were this year.

But they got shellacked last night at senior night by a middle of the pack team by 30 points. Expect to see them fall some.

Beating Dook moves anyone up in Loonardi's bracket so we an 8 seed now. Bracketmatrix also has us as a solid 8.

Beating Miami and our first ACC Tourney game would *almost* ensure a 7 seed for us.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

If we beat Miami, our first tourney win might put us in the semis. I actually think we will be seeded better than the bracketologists think.

Not sure what the science is to who plays where in the tourney. But does any bracketologist out there have a best guess as to what site VT might play at?

Wondering if I need to be in Charlotte that weekend :)

I don't think it's possible for anyone to have any idea other than looking at every 7/10 and 8/9 game and listing those sites.

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I was thinking the same as I already have tickets to the Dallas first and second rounds but we'd have to jump to a 6 seed or fall to an 11, the latter I don't see happening.

Beat Miami and get to the semis (could only mean one win), and I think we're a 6.

If I was to guess, it would be a 7 seed in Pitt opposite Xavier as the 2 seed.

Wouldn't mind that placement. We should be able to beat Xavier.

It's a lot better than playing Michigan St in Detroit.

Based on current seed projections, we'll be an 8 or 9. The host cities for those games are Wichita, Charlotte, and Pittsburgh x2. Virginia is likely to be the 1 seed in Charlotte, so we won't likely end up there. (I'm fairly sure they don't place teams from the same conference in a position to meet during the first weekend of the tourney) I'm guessing Pittsburgh seems likely, unless we improve our seed, which I think we can with a strong showing against Miami and in the ACCT.

“You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
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The next team I hate on is Michigan. Their resume is garbage, no clue how they're 3 seeds ahead of us

Rip his freaking head off!

They've been whipping everyone lately, apparently. This undervaluing of our resume because we have a bag full of 300 RPI wins instead of RPI 200 wins is pretty ridiculous considering we have the best win in the country @RPI#1.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

They have 3 Q1 wins, an equally garbage non-conference schedule, and their best win is worse than our best FOUR. Also have a worse loss (but I'd call that even).

Rip his freaking head off!

Their win @Michigan State is that undervalued?

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

They're 13th in RPI. I'll give them that as the equivalent of Duke, but even if you do that it isn't close.

Rip his freaking head off!

Yes, Michigan St will be one of the top 4 teams Vegas favs to win it all.

Currently they are the favorite

Rip his freaking head off!

Not to mention how top heavy the BIG 10 is and the fact that most of their conference wins are the equivalent of us beating GT or Pitt. By the end of the regular season, they will have played 6 top 50 RPI teams. We will have played 15. They're also 2-4 in those games and we could end up either 7-8 or 6-9. That SOS is garbage. They are in no way deserving of a 5 seed.

The BigTen will prove to be garbage in the tourney.

esp with 10-14 days of rust for every team in the conference by the time the tournament starts...

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If you want to have a really good day you might want to keep an eye on the Iowa vs. Michigan B1G tournament game. Iowa is keeping it close through the first half and has Michigan in foul trouble.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Let's put Missouri on top of that list. They've done absolutely nothing all year and have a worse record. Somehow are in position to be he same seed or better

Lunardi has us playing them as of today in the 8/9 matchup with the winner playing Xavier in Pittsburgh...I'd be good with that

Louisville up 50-42 on UVA right now, that's not going to help us as far as claiming UVA's only conference loss. Also, Louisville winning may knock us down a seed or 2 in the ACC tourney cause they hold tie breaker over us after winning both games (still pissed about last Saturday)

UVA getting stops but ZERO fast break ability. Scoring anyway in half court, but I've gotten used to the full court pass.

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Oh my goodness.

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That had to be one of the craziest finishes to a bball game I have ever seen. To be the best, you've also got to be lucky once in a while......

Solely to help VT get a double-bye, I was begrudgingly rooting for the Wahoos to win and couldn't believe how shitty they looked for 39 minutes and 59 seconds.

Got a free beer when an old guy at the bar bought everyone a round after the win.

Holy shit that was incredible. All the Louisville player had to do was lob it up to about half court and there's really no way for UVA to score.

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Or even literally just throw it to/off the player guarding the inbound pass as he wouldn't have had time to collect it and put up a shot.

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Holy shit that was incredible

Quit cussin'

We need a TKP bot that just responds like this to all curse words.

If I have free time one weekend, I might take a look into this. Probably would be as simple as searching the "Comments" page every couple minutes for new comments and parsing for curse words. Probably need to figure out the underlying API to log in as a user though.

Now how Joe would feel about a bot on his site is another story entirely...

Georgia Tech beat Nc State tonight. This helps Tech out with the possibility of getting 4 or 5 seed.

Or a 3.

UVA Won.., Holy Cow

Wow we got so lucky there. Now if we beat Miami Saturday Louisville has no chance at taking our seed. With the NC state loss, if Louisville upsets Clemson on Saturday we could move up to the 4 with a chance of taking the 3 if UNC loses to Duke

EDIT: My mistake, Clemson plays Syracuse on Saturday. Clemson already beat Florida State last night so we need them to be upset Saturday to have a shot at the 3 seed (with a Carolina loss) or the 4 seed (with a Carolina win). If Clemson wins our highest seed possibility is a 4 if we win & UNC loses

From playing around with the bracket generator it appears our primary rooting interest is Syracuse, then Duke and NCSU. Duke could change to UNC at some point depending on what else happens. A 3 seed is a legitimate possibility, and that seemed absurd about a month ago.

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They had the ball, up 2 with 0.9 seconds left... What an unbelievable choke job. Wow

UVA winning actually helps our chance with higher ACC Tourney rank..... I think that guarantees us no lower than a 7 seed.

Edit: I was wrong, Louisville can still top us

Edit #2: With Louisville playing NCST next, we are actually guaranteed no lower than the 7th seed. Beat Miami and you get AT LEAST the 5th seed

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I think you are right. A Louisville win and a VT loss puts VT and NCSU at 10-8 for the 7/8 seeds and we own that tiebreaker.

EDIT: I think our seeds break down like this:

VT loses - 7 seed
VT wins, UNC wins, Clemson wins - 5 seed
VT wins, UNC or Clemson lose - 4 seed
VT wins, UNC and Clemson lose - 3 seed

yea just noticed that.... Beat Miami and we are no lower than a 5th seed. Depending on what UNC and Clemson do against Duke and Syracuse respectively, we could be as high as a 3 seed.... pretty exciting if you ask me.

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boom, you just displayed better than I just did above.... leg for you my friend

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Correct. This 4-line statement probably deserves it's own thread.

If we beat Miami the worst seed we get is a 5 seed, if Duke beats UNC we get a 4 seed, and if Duke wins and Syracuse beats Clemson we get a 3 seed.

Cant decide how I feel going in to play Miami hoping they've got a hangover from beating UNC and are poor to help us out but really stings knowing a win against Louisville at home couldve really solidified a double bye in the ACC tourney

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Just think... A win over Louisville at home and a UNC win this weekend over Duke would have gotten us the 2 seed. Oh well

Obviously, all credit to Nate23VT. I screenshotted this pic from another thread. Obviously, we need to beat Miami. GT already beat NCSU. We need Cuse to beat Clemson because FSU lost. UVA just beat Louisville. Miami beat UNC. I believe Duke can beat UNC.

I don't want to get ahead of ourselves... we have to take care of business against Miami before anything else. But I believe!

Go Tech Go.

Both Tech and Miami are coming off emotion wins against big teams. A noon tip-off. Don't be shocked if you see some bad basketball being played. With that being said, both of these teams are completely different than the first time. We will still have to be on our best. Hope Buzz has the boys ready.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

It being senior day in Miami could really help us or really hurt us. I think one team is going to jump out to a big early lead on Saturday.

Re-posting so everyone can do their nifty what if scenarios:
what if calculator. Pick winners of remaining games and see how the ACC tourney seeds fall.

Odds of regular season finish

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From what I'm able to tell, because of tiebreakers, if Virginia Tech wins and Duke beats UNC, we get the double bye. At that point Clemson-Syracuse is about seeding. If we win and UNC beats Duke, we need Clemson to lose.

With that said, all the scenarios that are good for us look to have the home teams winning, except for us at Miami.

If we lose to Miami, I haven't yet found a scenario where we don't finish 7th

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all the scenarios that are good for us look to have the home teams winning, except for us at Miami

We have played better on the road this season than at home........

Clemson-Syracuse is at 2pm, so we should know by 4:00 whether we get the double bye. Duke-UNC will just be for 3rd or 4th seed if things play out right.

Gonna be an entertaining Saturday. Nice to be able to say that in March!

Put it this way

A loss puts us into tiebreaker scenarios with Miami and NCSU/Louisville. Miami will always win that tiebreaker with us, and we'll always fall between the NCSU/UofL teams, as UofL holds the tiebreaker over us with a win, and NCSU will finish with a better record if they win. A loss guarantees us finishing 7th

A win puts us out of reach for Miami and Louisville because of records, and NCSU because we own the tiebreaker. At that point, we throw ourselves into tiebreaker scenarios with Clemson and UNC, both of which we own the tiebreaker over. We move to 4th if either team loses, we move to 3rd if both lose, and we stay at 5th if both win.

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The 7 seed is for sure the only seed possible if we lose.

And that is rough because it nets us the winner of the Pitt-ND game... ND with a healthy Colson and Farrell.

Is it football season yet?

yea just noticed that... would be the worst case possible..... wouldn't mind being 6th seed if we can't manage 3,4, or 5

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I do not see a scenario where the 6 seed is possible...

If we lose to Miami: There will be 5 teams with 11 wins ahead of us, and then the winner of the NCSU (due to 11 wins) vs Louisville (due to tiebreaker) would get the 6 seed ahead of us.

If we beat Miami: NCSU, Louisville and Miami all fall below us... placing us at worst in 5th.

The 6-seed isn't possible. It's 3, 4, 5 or 7. Nothing else. For a team initially picked to finish 7th in the standings.

7-seed with a loss
5-seed with a win
4-seed with a win and a UNC win over Duke OR a Clemson win over Syracuse
3-seed with a win, a Duke win over UNC and a Syracuse win over Clemson

If BC beats FSU then it looks like they would be the 10 seed. If it was in Chesnut Hill instead of Tallahassee I would feel like that had a solid chance of happening.

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I'm hoping for a 4 or 5 seed, we can beat the opposite seed... Clemson or NC State is the more likely opponent.

We beat UVA, Duke, UNC, Clemson, and NC State. We CAN beat anyone we draw if we defend, make the good looks, and get decent officiating. We can also lose to anyone we will play from here on out if we don't do those three. I am more concerned about what team shows up repping the O&M than who they play from here on out.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Most important thing is getting that double bye because it means one less game. Get that W against Miami and feel good that either UNC or Clemson lose

Per Jerry Palm's bracketology, we would be an 8 seed in Detroit in Xavier's bracket. It is a pretty good draw if this plays out. If we beat Miami and finish ahead of them in the ACC tourney, I wonder if we could swap with them and get a 7 seed in Charlotte. That would be an awesome location for Hokie fans.

I'd be more worried about seeing Dunk City in the 2nd round.

Only slightly /s

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

*Edited for simplicity* I used this generator. If we and UNC win, we need Syracuse to win in order to get the double bye. If we lose to Miami we are locked into the 7-seed.

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NCSU/UL nor BC/FSU doesn't affect us either according to the chart.

Ha, guess i could have cut my time in half

Yep. Only our game, the UNC/Duke game and the Clemson/Syracuse game affect our seeding. Like I said above:

Lose we're the #7 seed

Win:
* 5 seed with UNC and Clemson wins
* 4 seed with a UNC OR Clemson loss
* 3 seed with a UNC loss AND a Clemson loss

Me likes dem odds.

Thanks for boiling it down. Me do simple better....

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Calculated odds based on ESPN's Matchup Predictor:

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What seed do we get if we lose to Miami? /s (because it's been mentioned so many many times.)

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The 16 seed :(

Good guys are sitting at #25 on CBS NCAABB power rankings.

The Hokies own six top-50 KenPom wins -- most notably victories over Virginia, Duke and North Carolina. Their resume features only one sub-55 loss.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-ran...

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Were also at 25 prior to L'ville.

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I'm just hoping for whatever scenario keeps Notre Dame out of the 10 vs. 15 game.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

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They beat Virginia and Boston College beats FSU

They don't need to beat Virginia, BC does need to beat FSU though.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Up two at half 🤞

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If we win 2 games in the ACC tourney then we have a shot at a 7 seed which would be ideal I would say

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We will have beaten any team that has a shot at the 2 seed once this season. Makes me feel a little better about the 7 spot.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

And Clemson lost. At this rate I expect Duke to win too. All the things we had no control over broke in our favor, and the one thing we had control over didn't. What a wasted opportunity

I think we have to beat Duke again to get off the 8/9 line

Murray St is in. First ticket punched.

I haven't been this excited about the tournament since, well, ever. Toigh loss today, but two wins next week could lock us up a 7 seed.

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One free throw from a 3 seed in the ACC tourney. I wonder if this gets considered by the committee.

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For us, no...

Yeah, the committee is bending over backwards to get "traditional" teams in, so they might pull that kind of logic with a team like Louisville. (Though I'd argue that if you're 4 points ahead with .9 seconds on the clock, against UVa, and you can't close, that loss SHOULD be held against you.)

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I think that's right where we should be. Our big wins put us in the tournament for sure, but our inconsistency will keep us around an 8/9 seed on selection Sunday. Let's just hope we get into a manageable 8/9 game, and a manageable 1/8 matchup. I have low expectations for the ACC tourney, Colston/ND will challenge us for sure in the post, we barely won the first game in South Bend. Just wish we could've finish the season on a better note. On to the NCAA tourney for the second straight year, and that in itself is a big step forward for this program.

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I am more optimistic. We barely won the game in South Bend before we actually started playing D. I am hoping Colston is not 100% stamina-wise after his layoff and the second game in two nights will allow us to run him into the ground.

This sounds good in theory but I'm not too confident he will need to play enough minutes against Pitt to risk being run into the ground by round 2.

Basically what I'm trying to say here is Pitt really, really sucks.

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now why would you say a thing like that? I mean, I'm sure Pitt managed at least one ACC win and will surprise someone...

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In my personal record book, I have VT as the #3 seed this year in the ACC Tourney.

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I like ESPNs projection with us as the 8 in the Midwest bracket playing St. Marys in the first game.

They got all they could handle from a BAD Pepperdine team this weekend. Xavier as the 1 and Purdue as the 2 in that region. Not saying Xavier isn't a really good team, but matchup wise would be the preferred 1 seed to face for us.

If we are going to be in the 8-9 matchup, all things considered, it really can't get much more favorable than this to make the S16. Don't get me wrong, would still much rather be able to bump up to a 6 or 7, to get a 3 or 4 seed after a win, but I'd take this seeding if it came to it.

Its a shame we missed out on the ACC 3-seed. The prestige of that along could have already vaulted us up a line or 2.

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Not getting the 3-seed also was a missed opportunity to improve our resume during the tournament with quality wins. Right now, beating ND in the 2nd round won't really do anything for us (another quadrant 2 win) - we'd have to upset Duke to significantly improve our resume.

If we were the 3-seed, we'd have a very winnable game vs presumably Clemson for another top 15 RPI win in the quarterfinals. And then the same game against Duke (or ND) in the semis.

Because Saint Marys lost last night, Lunardi now has Oklahoma in their place against the good guys. I honestly would love to play Oklahoma. Just stick Devin Wilson on Trae Young and let him jack up shots all day. That team cannot win away from home. Any neutral site or away game makes it look like they're playing the best team in the country.

Why the heck is Oklahoma even being talked about in the NCAA's? Don't they have a horrible record?

But but but they have Trae MF Young.... therefore they should win it all... ESPN probably

They have the 2nd toughest strength of schedule according to Kenpom. Prior to the new year, their only loss was to a quality team in Arkansas.

Despite going on a 2-7 skid over their last 9 games, they still have wins against USC, at Wichita State, two wins against TCU (home & away), Texas Tech & Kansas. Those are good scalps to have when you look at their overall resume.

Also, of the 7 games they've lost since the start of February, three of them were against WVU, Texas Tech & Kansas (all tourney locks). 2 losses to Texas & a loss to Baylor aren't terrible either, since both of those teams are top 40 in Kenpom and might sneak into the tournament. Their only real bad loss is to Iowa State.

Good wins. That's good for us, if "good wins" is the metric, then we're a 6 seed.

I think good losses is the metric.

I like Sports Illustrated's mock....

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Wow this would be a dream

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Huge boom or bust potential. I could see anything from a close loss to St. Bonny's to making the final four with this bracket.

That is how i felt as well

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I cannot express the joy I would feel being able to make the final four and on the way potentially beating Purdue, Miami or Tennesee, and Ohio State or FSU. #TheDream

St. Bonny is playing great basketball now. I like other matchups better.

This isn't that crazy because of three teams: 8.TCU, 8.RIU, 9.Nevada. Those are the teams we have a strong argument to be ahead of. They haven't beat anyone but they have propped up RPI's. Actually, I should clarify, see if you can find the circular reference here:

TCU's best win: Nevada. Others: St Bonny, WVU, Texas, Baylor (x2), KSU. Only the Baylor win was Away

Nevada's best win: Rhode Island. Others: Boise (x2), that's it.....

RIU's best win: St. Bonny. Others: Seton Hall (who I think is a lot better than St. Bonny), Providence

So these three teams haven't beaten anyone but themselves and it's propped up their RPI artificially. We keep seeing these three teams as 6's (Bracketmatrix has TCU there), 7s (Nevada), 8 (RIU).

I'm not going to argue UF or Miami. aTm and Arkansas ahead of us I can understand. I like Creighton a lot, I can understand if they are in front of us. I don't know much about Houston* except they've been rising. But if TCU, RIU and Nevada are ahead of us, I'm going to be annoyed.

*I looked Houston up. 24-6, 14-4. Nice win over Cincy who I think is a Final Four contender. Another nice win over Wichita (both games at home). Arkansas and Providence are nice OOC wins. Best road win is Temple. I would say we are right there with Houston.

TCU's best win: Nevada. Others: St Bonny, WVU, Texas, Baylor (x2), KSU. Only the Baylor win was Away

I'd argue that TCU's best win was WVU, but it's not really a huge difference in the grand scheme of things.

Using RPI as the determinant.

Agreed, WVU is a 3/4 seed in the NCAA's, Nevada is a 7-10 seed.

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They must have been listening to Seth talk about Loyola being an upset contender since they beat 2018 powerhouse Florida

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Looks like Vegas is buying into the Bondor hype as well. Notre Dame a 2.5-pt favorite tonight.

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Jerry palm still has us at an 8 seed playing in Nashville against Middle Tennessee.

I understand the new metrics (i.e Quadrant one wins). I guess it will put to the test whether the committee will value the metrics outside of the RPI. Years past this would be a very bad place to be. Here are some RPI facts that could give the committee an excuse if it wanted. Hoping to be wrong.

Lowest RPI to get an at-large bid:
• 67 - USC (2011)
• 64 - Marquette (2011)
• 63 - North Carolina State (2005), Stanford (2007)

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Looks like we won't be playing Middle Tennessee anymore. They lost their first game in the CUSA tournament to Southern Mississippi, the 9th seed.

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