Buzzketball Central: Florida State Seminoles (13-5, 2-4) at Virginia Tech Hokies (13-5, 2-3) Noon ESPN2

Date/Time: Jan. 20, 2018 / Noon
Opponent: Florida State University
Site: Blacksburg, Virginia (Carilion Clinic Court at Cassell Coliseum)
Radio: Virginia Tech IMG Sports Network
Talent: Jon Laaser and Mike Burnop
Talent: Mike Couzens & Cory Alexander
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Game Notes: Virginia Tech
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The Forest or the Trees

Buzzketball has started ACC play slowly and will need to defend Cassell if it wants to stay on track for tournament play. That's going to be a TALL task with the Seminoles coming to town. The Hokies return home after a really depressing loss to Louisville. Another sloppy day with the basketball leading to 19 turnovers was the primary difference in taking a loss on the road. Hopefully Tech can take care of the ball a bit better and come away with an important win today as the Hokies take on the Seminoles. Florida State has the athleticism and size that have proven extremely difficult for the Hokies to overcome this season. The Hokies must be prepared to play all forty minutes or more if necessary if they want to come out a winner tonight.

Florida State comes in on a bit of a tailspin, having dropped out of the rankings after being ranked most of the season. The Seminoles have lost three of their last four, including to a revived Boston College squad, Louisville and Miami. They did manage a 2OT win over Syracuse when the Orange simply ran out of gas. Other notable wins are over George Washington, Rutgers, Florida and UNC. They have other big losses to Oklahoma State and Duke. This will be the fifty fifth meeting between the Hokies and Seminoles. Florida State leads the all-time series 32-22, starting all the way back in 1968. The Hokies last victory against the Seminoles came in 2016 at home.

The Seminoles are coached by Leonard Hamilton, who has coached FSU since 2002, and before that coached Miami starting in 1990. Hamilton has almost three decades of coaching against the Hokies in all their different forms over the years. Hamilton has enjoyed what many would consider a quiet run of success at Florida State considering the other ACC opponents. He has led FSU to 20 or more wins in ten of sixteen seasons, including a conference tournament championship in 2012. He has taken the Seminoles to the NCAA tournament five times and the NIT seven times. His Achilles heel has usually been to end up on the backside of the middle of the ACC, finishing .500 or less in nine of fifteen seasons.

Defensively, the Seminoles employ a high pressure man to man defense primarily that varies in its starting point throughout the game. They regularly switch up to full court pressure in order to create turnovers and get easy transition baskets. One thing Hamilton and his staff do better than most is assigning defensive matchups. You may see some unusual pairings but they aim to best utilize their players strengths on the defensive end to cause the most problems for their opponents. Some assignments might be based on strengths to turn the ball over, others might be based on ability to rebound effectively and once in a while they even identify the best chance to score in transition with matchups.

Offensively, Florida State has historically run a motion offense that relied heavily on its bigs to score or distribute but with his current personnel, Hamilton has had to change to a more motion based system that relies on his perimeter players to score for the Seminoles. Regardless of the change, it appears to be working, with the Seminoles off to their second best start ever under Hamilton. So far this season, Florida State is 24th in points per contest at 84 per game. Tech has to expect to play a shootout if it hopes to win this contest.

What does that mean for the Hokies?

The Hokies are going to need to hit their shots because this is a team that can drain it from three and has the talent to get open regularly against them. They also will have to contend with bigger bigs underneath which has been the Hokies Achilles heel all season.

This could be one of the highest paced games this season especially if Florida State is looking to run away early by wearing the Hokies out. If the Hokies are unable to take care of the ball then things go bad as quickly as they give the ball away.

The Seminoles surprisingly dont heavily rely on their starting five, although four of whom play twenty five or more minutes per contest. This is one of the most balanced and widely used rosters Tech will face in the ACC. Hamilton so far has regularly used 11 players per contest so Tech has to be ready to face fresh legs and not see many opponents in foul trouble. They have eight players averaging at least 6 points per contest.

Part of the Seminoles needing to rely on such a deep roster though is foul trouble. Five Seminoles average more than 2.4 fouls per contest and they send opponents to the line 18.4 points per contest. Surprisingly, the Seminoles actually manage to get to the line more though at 20.7 times per contest. As a team though they only manage 68% from the line.

Seminoles Backcourt

Terrance Mann, (#14), 6'6, 204 Lbs Junior Guard is averaging 15.5 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 2.9 APG, and 1.1 SPG. Mann essentially has taken over the Seminoles top scorer, giving Hamilton a long arm defender with a big enough body to keep shooters off balanced but also able to crash in to provide weak side help. He is hitting 65% inside but struggles from outside at 30%. He does manage to hit 70% of his free throws.

Braian Angola, (#11), 6'6, 195 Lbs, Senior is scoring 14.3 PPG, 4.7 RPG, 3.4 APG and 1.6 SPG. He shoots 44% inside and 42% outside and will be the biggest threat to have the night of his life from outside. He currently attempts over 6 threes per game. He also hits 82% of his free throws. He has been a major find for Hamilton, as this is only his second season with the Seminoles and does just about everything both offensively and defensively for the Seminoles.

CJ Walker, (#2), 6'1, 195 Lbs Sophomore is scoring 9.4 PPG, 2.9 RPG, 3.1 APG, and 1.4 SPG. He manages 45% inside and 33% outside. His free throws are going in at a 77% clip.

MJ Walker, (#23), 6'5, 205 Lbs Five Star Freshman is scoring 7.2 PPG, 1.3 RPG, 1.2 APG this season. He has struggled to find his shot though, hitting 35% inside but 38% from outside so another shooter the Hokies will need to stay close to.

Seminoles Frontcourt

Phil Cofer, (#0), 6'8, 205 Lbs Senior Forward is averaging 12.7 PPG, 5.9 RPG, amd 1 APG. He is scoring 53% inside and 39% from outside so Blackshear and Clarke need to realize he will step outside to shoot. He attempts almost 4 outside shots per contest.

Chris Koumadje (#21) 7'4, 233 Lbs Junior Center is also providing 8.4 PPG, 5.7 RPG and 2.4 BPG but is seeing limited minutes in recovery from an injury in November. In four games back he has struggled in three of those contests, much like the Seminoles.

In his stead, Freshman Mfiondu Kabengele (#25), 6'9, 235 lbs has stepped up, scoring 8.3 PPG, 5.1 RPG, and 1 BPG.

What to expect from Florida State?

The Seminoles will have several options in this game. I believe they will come out playing their normal game, working for open perimeter shots and getting good looks while creating transition basket opportunities. The Seminoles have four players that average at least 1 Steal per game. They regularly turn their opponents over with 7.6 SPG and force 16 turnovers per contest.

If their normal style of play doesn't work for them, then I expect them to transition into dominating the paint against us simply because we don't have the players available to reliably deny them the lane.
One scary number to keep in mind is that Florida State is shooting 53% from the inside as a team this year. They can simply put the ball in the basket.

The biggest change has been their steady play on defense this season. That has probably been the most crucial change in the Seminoles and why they are where they are so far. This team averages 5.3 blocks per game so the Hokies have to find ways to avoid having their shot swatted while still scoring inside.

The biggest way to counteract this is turning Florida State over. The Seminoles average 14 turnovers per game, most of that with the starters, so if the Hokies can up that total a bit it will take scoring possessions away quickly. That becomes even more important because this is an opponent that just doesn't foul that much which the Hokies have used time and time again this year to distance themselves.

The Seminoles are averaging 84 PPG and only allowing opponents 71.2 PPG. That's a 13 point average margin of victory so far this season. They haven't had to deal with many close games so if the Hokies are able to pressure the Seminoles to make mistakes it could lead to them collapsing late.

The Hokies

Tech needs to be ready to keep a high paced tempo the entire game without letting up if they want to win this matchup. They have to be able to get a high number of transition baskets by forcing Florida State into turnovers.

Tech will have a tough time winning the lane, so it has to be able to hit its jumpers, especially critical is hitting its perimeter shots. Tech likely needs to shoot better than 50% from outside to be a factor in this game.

Tech has to still make an attempt at getting to the basket with Blackshear, Robinson and Clarke. If they forego working the ball inside than the Seminoles will be able to ignore the inside and focus solely on the perimeter. The
Hokies dearly need clean looks today to stay in this game.

Last and probably most critical, the Hokies must avoid foul trouble. They can ill afford to have starters in foul trouble since the bench has not been called upon much in conference play.

Highlight of the Louisville Game

Kerry Blackshear continues to deliver, this time with a double-double of 19 and 12 along with 2 assists and a steal.

In Closing

Ideally the Hokies would just keep running but I think with how well Florida State uses their bench and how limited Tech's bench is, it will require them to strategically slow the game at points. Expect to see a fast paced game on both sides in the first half and then watch Tech aim to slow that down in the second half if they are able to develop a lead. The deeper into the shot clocks Tech can take Florida State, the better as they just aren't geared to play half court ball.

Tech has to use its speed and athleticism. They have to find open looks and they have to be able to hit those shots. Defensively they have to be able to limit the number of attempts Florida State gets either by forcing turnovers or bad shots. Do these things and it's a close game. Without them it could be another blowout.

I expect to see Buzz stretch the floor, especially on defense. Buzz will likely have to use some full court pressure in this game as well as some zone defense to counter the Seminoles offense. Force them to eat up a third of the shot clock before they cross the midline.

I really wanted to be able to say that Tech would win this game but with the size and talent of their opponent, Tech takes another on the chin, hopefully in less give away fashion as last time out. Tech loses 86-84 with a couple bad passes.

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Hopefully the noon start in the cold will take its toll on FSU. We just have to be efficient, that is all we need to do to win.

Get Angry, Bud!

I don't know about ya'll, but I'm starting to need us to get a quality win to get my confidence back. I find myself coming in to this bracing for the worst rather than anticipating the a big win. Looking at the schedule ahead I am not sure I see that changing much until we get that first upset win. Here is to hoping we tighten down the execution and get the hype train back on track with a W today.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

I feel the same way. I know from decades of experience that the OOC "preseason" games can produce a sort of fool's gold of expectations, but it seems like I still buy into the hype more often than not, especially after the sort of fireworks we were showing off against "lesser" lights. I'll still watch every game, and hope for the best, but right now I'm pretty uncomfortable with how we're playing.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

As others have said, we need a quality win and bad. Luckily we have a chance for 2 in a row at home today and Monday night. Only problem is, FSU is 2-4 in the ACC so they're going to come in clawing for a win today. Hopefully the crowd is ramped up and we can get some momentum going. Would love to see a huge game from NAW. Also would love for someone to either posterize or have a sweet block on MJ Walker lol, still a little petty about his whole situation

If you take a shot for every time they say Kumaji is 7'4, you will get alcohol poisoning.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Only heard 7'4" once, but if count seven footer you are a pint deep already.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Like the energy but we're not defending the three again

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

unfortunately when have we ever in the Buzz tenure, obviously not a priority even though it's clear as day to anyone watching it's how every team beats us

Wow our perimeter defense is absolutely atrocious. Would've thought that and turnovers would have been an emphasis in practice this week but looks like we're still gonna turn it over and let the other team hit threes and still try to somehow win lol

just fed up with how wide open we leave teams outside, You would think with how much Buzz values shooting the three that he would also value defending it but regardless of our long guards it's obviously not important to this coaching staff or we would have seen some change in three years. Major Achilles heel

Yep. We also seem to go under screens a lot instead of over them which leaves other team's shooters space and lets them get into a rhythm. Pretty infuriating to watch at times

I guess he just values crashing for defensive help and boards over defending the 3. If teams shoot less than 33% it's a good strategy. Otherwise...

Get Angry, Bud!

except he doesn't put work into rebounding, as the Hokies are constantly outrebounded, it's more that outside of Bibbs and maybe Bede there are very few disciplined defensive players on this team so they constantly react to the ball rather than stay with their assigned man

Well, they are also shorter than almost every team they play against. You could argue that we get more rebounds than we should with our height disadvantages.

Get Angry, Bud!

Not that I am complaining too much but pretty incredible there have been only four fouls whistled so far in this one, especially considering how much both teams struggle with foul trouble

It's nice to watch a smooth flowing basketball game.

Edit: You jinxed it.

Get Angry, Bud!

Are we 1-4 from the FT line? Good lord

Lucky to only be down 3 at half. Hopefully we turn it around this half

Forgive my ignorance. For the 3 second violation, is it in the paint for 3 seconds total, or staying in one spot for 3 seconds?


In the paint.

Get Angry, Bud!

Death by a thousand missed free throws 😩
Come on Hokies!

And stupid fouls due to lazy rebounding/defense. Fun stuff to watch

Doesn't feel like this one is gonna go our way. Can't miss free throws and open threes. There is still time left, but it doesn't look good.

Get Angry, Bud!

Started watching this game shortly after the 2nd half started. This is not a pretty game for us.

Only watched the first half. Thought we did a good job keeping pace and drawing fouls. Then I checked and saw the final score... 😭

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We can talk about any number of problems this team has but all of those wouldn't be issues if Hill and Bibbs were shooting anywhere near their career averages.

Get Angry, Bud!

EDIT: Replied to wrong comment

Frustrating game

Little Bobby Tables told me my signature was false

Guys I can't keep doing this to myself this year. I'm done watching hopefully I can pick it up again next year but this has got to be the most frustrating team I've watched in a while.

Hang in there. If we made it through the Johnson coaching years, we can make it through anything.

Boy. Sure would have been nice for MJ Walker to have picked one of the 2 teams in his final 2 instead of choosing FSU out of literally no where.

"...When we step on that field, they bleed like we bleed and we're gonna show the world."
-Corey Marshall

Well this game is over. We're about to be 2-4 in the ACC with very little chance to make the tournament. There is just no alpha dog who takes over in bad games on this team, and we let other teams go on too many runs by giving them easy, open looks while we can't hit our open looks. Honestly, it just looks like this team just isn't that good as much as I hate it. I had such high hopes for this season

These are incredibly one sided commentators, lots of questionable fouls on the hokies in the second half.

It's not like the Hokies have given them anything to compliment this half.

Get Angry, Bud!

This team is infuriating to watch on defense. For such the detail-oriented coach that Buzz is, it's so suprising to me to see players not practicing basic fundamentals on defense such as closing on shooters with your hand up and playing help defense.

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Me watching this game..

Wide open threes and we can't get them to drop. We also have every opponent score record three pointers against us.

Game is on espn2 and I haven't even been able to watch. Fuck

MJ Walker is averaging 7.2 ppg. Has 20!

We put the K in Kwality

Again, this game would be very different if our best players shot anywhere near their season or career average. Can't win when you can't shoot.

Get Angry, Bud!

Doesn't matter what their career average is right now. The past few games they've been awful

That's the point. Our good shooters are all bad right now, apart from J-Rob. Fix that problem, and we look a lot better.

Get Angry, Bud!

I miss when our basketball team was fun to watch and won games

Really don't like Walker

Recruit Prosim

That flop on the last last up was bush league. 3 of the last 4 fouls have been flops.

We put the K in Kwality

And of course the second worse free throw percentage team is hitting over eighty percent against us.

Time to realize that they just might not be that good of a team this year, or at the very least nowhere near as good as they were expected to be.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Agreed. We're just a team with far too many holes to be what I would consider good. And thats okay its just very disappointing.

"...When we step on that field, they bleed like we bleed and we're gonna show the world."
-Corey Marshall

I think we lead the country in winnable losses.

We put the K in Kwality

If we don't, we should.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

NIT bound, jeesh...

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

I think that's an ambitious goal at this point with the way the team has played the last few games.

Well, we're back to old Hokie basketball, shooting only 53% from the foul line resulting in only 8pts vs 20 pts from the line for FSU, who shot 76% from the line. It didn't help we shot 34% from 3pt range vs their 45%. That should not happen at home. Unless these guys fix their shooting, it looks like NIT time.

Not a tournament team this year. Honestly makes me not even want to watch the rest of the games with how this season is panning out. Expected much better from this team

We aren't great, but being 4 rows up at mid court, that was a horrendously officiated basketball game.

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Go Hokies!

Turnovers again... some lazy basketball with a talented roster

Keep calm, Gobble on

NAW shot .07% from the floor on a shit ton of attempts until that garbage time 3. I don't know why he gets so much time when he is clearly shook in ACC play

you would have thought that with Blackshear out so much of the game we would have gotten killed inside. not so fast my friend. the Hokies outscored fla st 42-34 on points in the paint. you would have thought that with fla st out rebounding the Hokies by 12 they would have outscored the Hokies in 2nd chance points. not so fast my friend. the Hokies outscored fla st 7 to 5 on 2nd chance points. you would have thought that with fla st lighting it up from three (especially mj & cj walker) they would have blown the Hokies away. not so fast my friend. the Hokies had 10 made 3's to fla st's 9 made 3's. you would have thought that with only 13 turnovers the Hokies have made a step in the right direction to cleaning up their turnover woes. not so fast my friend. this is where the Hokies lost the game. fla st scored 20 points off turnovers. The Hokies scored 8 off of 10 fla st turnovers. that's a 12 point difference. face it... when the Hokies have more than 10 turnovers or have more turnovers than their opponent, then a large percentage of the time the Hokies will LOSE! practice ball security and value each possession. that's my two cents.

Go Hokies

Turn the ball over too much, 53% from free throw line, can't rebound and zero effort on defense. This team will be lucky to win 6 conference games.

Matty Ballgame

How lucky would it be for us to win 7 conference games tho?

Would it kill Buzz to play Horne and Bede in a game like this, especially Horne? It's not even about being in a bind with guys fouling out, its also about just getting experience. He's a solid, smart coach but its always been a pet peeve of mine when coaches use really short rotations. It just hurts you more in the long run imo.

Foreal, and Tyrie Jackson. Doing the exact same thing with the exact same lineup isn't gonna work.

Missing out on March Madness is gonna suck. Really hoped the team would take a step forward, but I guess losing LeDay and Seth had a larger impact than I thought.

With UVA sitting Top 2 and VT seemingly trying to find how bad a team of high 4* talent and depth can play, this has been the best season for me to not really very able to follow while taking care of a newborn.


"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Well, quit having babies. Obviously that's the problem here.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Well, unless they're going to be really, really tall.

Yeah. OKGs need to grow about 4" or so.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

She's going to be the first female Heisman winner.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

We look forward to that.

Disappointing for sure but really? You would think we were 6-13. Not even halfway through ACC play plenty of time to work things out. If we don't, lots back next year along with Sy. Chill out or we could see if JJ is available again? Damn!