MSU Investigation by OTL.

http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/22214566/pattern-denial-inaction-inf...

But an Outside the Lines investigation has found a pattern of widespread denial, inaction and information suppression of such allegations by officials ranging from campus police to the Spartan athletic department, whose top leader, Mark Hollis, announced his retirement on Friday. The actions go well beyond the highly publicized case of former MSU athletic physician Larry Nassar.

These allegations are disturbing and involve many coaches and officials in the MSU sports world. Including Mark Dantonio and Tom Izzo.

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If it comes out that MSU did help facilitate and/or cover up things for Nassar, I hope it burns to the ground. Also, whatever unspeakable horrors await that fuck in prison, they are far better than he deserves.

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Nassar will be dead within a year if he's kept in general population.

Oh, I agree. Either by his own hands or someone else's. Still a far better fate than he deserves.

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Death is too good for him.

I'm good. Death is final and permanent

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Question is too deep for me

Michigan State knew about this in 1997 and kept it quiet.

The fact that their board initially reacted to say the president will stay on because outside "this Nasser thing", she brought in a lot of money, and had the VP say that hearing some of this testimony was "the icing on the cake" of this whole thing.... Yeah, shows where their priorities were. Hell, after they finally fired the guy, they were still billing victims for their medical visits while he was their doctor.

They're only sorry they got caught, and even then, they're really not even sorry about that because they got their millions.

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This is going to get really bad. Also, does Narduzzi have any involvement in this from his time there?

Of course I talk to myself, sometimes I need expert advice.

Wow. Very shocked at how in depth this thing actually went. Would have to believe Izzo and Dantonio are going to be on the way out sooner rather than later with this info..

Good news for Liberty University.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

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I'm sure they are looking for ways to hire President Simon and AD Hollis as AdHoc members to the "We like to operate a Shithole, Rape encouraged Athletic Department Committee".

Good fuck em. This is just as bad if not much worse than Penn State.

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But JoePa had no idea

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I think there are a lot of other shoes to drop here.

MSU definitely. US Gymnastics almost certainly. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it also hit the US and International Olympic Committees.

Shit like this makes you wonder what everyone at MSU was thinking while the whole Penn State thing went down and how it took another 7 years for anything to come out of East Lansing.

I'm appaled at the defense of Izzo and Dantonio by fans and the washing of hands by the school. Some of their responses to victims lawsuits boggle the mind.

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I will get downvoted to hell for this but in a purely hypothetical world where something like this happened with Beamer our fanbase and most of this board would look exactly the same, if not worse than Penn State or MSU. It's a natural reaction when you've looked up to somebody like that for that long.

First I can only speak for myself, no I wouldn't. Secondly at least on this fan site I don't think the reaction would be let them stay I honestly think better of the majority of posters on here.

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On here for sure. But as with the #FireFuente crowd we have enough bad eggs that would take the opposite approach. Every fanbase does.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I think about this each time one of these scandals breaks (which sadly is feeling pretty frequent). We'd be just like any other fan base - grasping for straws, poking holes in reports and searching for ways to prove our guys are innocent. I would hope that any coach and/or administrator would act quickly and cleanly, but I would also hope that no Duke Lacrosse stuff ever happens. It's a tough line to walk.

This is why building a healthy culture from top-down is so important. It needs to be 100% clear to all staff and students that sexual harassment/assault will not be tolerated.

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I've said this other places around here, but it bears repeating. As a fan of any kind of big time NCAA program, I think you need to be comfortable with the fact that you're always waiting for the other shoe to drop. Even when you can't see the first shoe to start with. Knock on wood, but there but for the grace of god go I.

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It's something I've thought about too. In a hypothetical world where the Sandusky incident happened at VT rather than PSU, I can't imagine myself or many other fans I know taking the streets to flip cars like PSU fans did. That said, I'm not naive enough to think of us as "holier than thou" or that we don't have any irrational fans in our mix, so it's something I have a hard time comprehending.

I think you are partially right. I'm sure when the first reports come out, people would stand by their man, but, I would hope, as things became overwhelming to show something as disgusting as this or PSU, people would quickly change their minds. Like the above TKPer said, you'd hate for it to be a Duke lacrosse situation and nobody supported someone with no history of wrongdoing.

MSU AD is out now.

Link to ESPN story

This is going to go deep at MSU. I live in Michigan and heard portions of the victims testimony everyday on the news (not sports news, mind you) over the past week and a half.

Also, we vote for the trustees of UM and MSU (and maybe a couple of other universities.) I usually don't pay attention to them (just vote party), but if any of them are running for re-election they will not get my vote.

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I may be missing something (and admittedly did not read the entire article) but what I do not understand is why the school or staffs get wrapped up in these sexual assault incidents at all?

Mr x rapes victim y, Victim y tells police, police either arrest mr x or dont because of lack of evidence (or corruption). Why is the school involved or school staff responsible? Lets say mr x is a football player and victim y tells mr x's coach, is there really anything the coach can do about it? At that point its just someone else's word and does anyone expect coach to do his own investigation in lou of the police? Now sandusky is different because there were people who witnessed things and knew things and didn't report it, but as long as staff members arent witness to anything i dont see their involvement other than to tell victims they should talk to police.

Im not defending the actions of any staff i have just wondered about several of these cases and am looking for understanding.

There are several issues. One campus police were told and they didn't always investigate fully victims claim. Also some victims didn't go to police they went to Title IX folks, councelers or other school staff. They didn't always follow the law when reporting and investigations. Also some victims don't want a police report but they and the school push for school discipline hearing. When coaches were made aware of some of these allegations and in some cases arrests they didn't suspend the players and one staff member from the team always. And when it came to the school only cases they are alleged to interceded or not leveled any team punishment.

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I guess what i still dont get is, if im a victim of a crime, why not go to police? If i get robbed, raped, or whatever i would want to talk to people who can legally do something about it. If county or campus police dont do anything id go to the state. I just find it strange how the reporting of crimes and enforcement of laws seem to always get blurred when it comes to college. If i get sexually assaulted by a guy at work, sure i might take it up with the boss to make sure they know and that the guy gets fired, but if i want the law enforced and justice, im going to the police.

Going to the police for the victim of a sexually assault is a difficult decision. There is still a lot of unfortunately disbelieve among even law enforcement about every allegation. Date or known perpetrator assault are the most common and people often second guess what happened to themselves even. It can take days or weeks. Then the victim has to tell their story multiple times reliving that event. To the reporting officer, to a detective and then if they want to take the case to court to the prosecuting attorney and finally to a jury and then have to face their abuser in open court but answer that persons attorney questions about the event. Often times having heir personal, academic and family life questioned.

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And unfortunately campus police don't want to report rapes as it reflects badly on the school.

My niece was raped at GM, went to the police and hospital. The police brought in the kid and he said it was consensual and she liked it rough. The police didn't even arrest him. So he did it again, she went to the police and hospital again. Again he said it was consensual and rough and no charges were filed. Sometimes the deck is stacked against women.

WTF I'm so sorry. That's terrible

To add to this, rape kit exams can take up to 4 hours and are very invasive. Not everyone wants to go through that right after the most horrific event of their lives and you only have a day or two to decide to get one. Not to mention the huge backlog of unprocessed rape kits in police stations across the country.

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One reason, from an article below in a lower post, is what I often see sighted by people who study the lack of rape reporting:

"The investigation left me feeling so small, and worthless and disposable, that I never saw what I was doing as brave," she said. "I felt embarrassed. I humiliated myself by even talking about it."

If it happened to you, how much would you be looking forward to telling everyone about it?

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Well just for clarification i am in no way looking down on these victims nor rooting for any institution in any kind of criminal cover up, just trying to understand.

To answer your question, it would depend on what I wanted I would imagine. I wouldnt be excited to tell people I had been raped, but from a purely practical standpoint, thats obviously what it takes to get justice. If i wanted to try and forget everything (im sure thats unfortunately impossible) i might not tell anyone and just try to suppress everything.

It sucks, hopefully we can change things in such a way to get people to come forward and "be brave" sooner rather than later so the dirtbags that deserve judgement are more likely to be proven guilty. I mean, i see why people get angry and want to deal out blame on everyone associated with something horrible like this, but the truth is when a rape takes place there is a victim, and an evil perpetrator. I want to see rapists smashed, not football staffs and teams. I know theres certainly some overlap, it just people often demonize institutions which obviously include a lot of innocents (like fans) when it seems to me the SOB's who commit the acts should have their names destroyed and have them blackballed and held specifically responsible. Clearly those who conceal and condone should be held responsible for their actions and charged accordingly, but I want the people committing the acts to pay.

It's not as easy as your suggesting. Not in the least.

Emotionally victims can be internally locked down for days and weeks before speaking up. Their first response may be to wash off the offense. Create as much emotional and physical distance to the act as possible. Days later they may brace themselves enough to speak up and report the offense to police but by that time any evidence will have been mostly gone. Then it comes down to a he said, she said issue that the police have to investigate facts that largely they are unable to verify.

One can imagine that in this case these girls were working towards an immensely difficult goal that takes sacrifice every damn day. Always competing. Always pushing. Always sacrificing. Internalizing pain. Internalizing failure and defeat. Internalizing criticism. Internalizing everything negative in their life for the pursuit of something very few of them will ever achieve. So when someone they are meant to trust and are required to see to get a release to go back to do the thing their enitre life of sacrifices is about they internalized this asshole's offenses as well. Internalize it and move on towards the goal, just like everything else.

The sheer number of victims here is staggering but the associated network of people and institutions that are accomplice is what is most offensive to me. I would love to see more of these people get serious jail time and the institutions get financially penalized and in the case of MSU have serious repercussions athletically.

Not apposed to this, It just feels kind of like going after the "henchman" and not the "mob boss". I can't pretend to know what it feels like to be raped, and dont intend for my musings to come across as scolding or correction, I just want the mob boss/rapist to pay. If someone watched me get raped and didnt say anything, i mean ya thats screwed up and id hate them forever. But compared to the rapist himself, id kind of think of them as chopped liver (i would think). So I just wonder what can be done (if anything) to increase the odds of taking down the "mob boss." Aka dilly-dick McAssholes.

From a personal perspective of the victim yes what you say could be the case. They may be solely focused on the rapist and that's completely acceptable. From the perspective of the case as a whole the enablers are as guilty as the demon. IMO, These victims should class action MSU and USA gymnastics. Make them pay BIG.

That has nothing to do with a mob mentality thougj. It has to do with bad people getting justice. And if you turned the other way knowing this was going on you're a bad person. And by omission or inaction they in essence assaulted these girls as well.

From the perspective of the case as a whole the enablers are as guilty as the demon.

Were clearly on the same side here, but I can't help but disagree somewhat. I don't want to get too explicit, but the guy who [fill in the blank with something really terrible and awful physically] is equal to the guy who didnt even witness it, but rather was told something about it by a stranger but didnt tell anyone else? So they heard something and they are equal? Im sorry but there are a range of charges (4 different classes of misdimeaners and 6 different classes of felonies in va anyway) for a reason.

As I finish typing this though Im wondering why im even debating with you. Im sure as hell not trying to defend anyone who covered up any of these horrors. They should all burn, I guess I just feel that the actual direct perpetrators themselves should burn the hottest.

you're conflating levels of severity. not witnessing something and being told something you didn't tell another person is VASTLY different than knowing what has happened having received reports on it and willfully being complicit in allowing the demon to continue to prey.

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This whole damn thing keeps getting worse and worse. Last year, the MSU president met with the Secretary of Education, Nancy DeVos, on May 20th. On May 22nd, DeVos announced the Department of Education was rolling back Title XI protections that had been passed under Obama, a very large portion of these rollbacks being protections for rape victims on college campuses.

In any other situation, I may say this is just a bad coincidence, but after the rollbacks were passed, Michigan State almost immediately asked for the Federal investigation into them to be dropped (which was, of course, denied, but still....). For a school that says it had no idea, they certainly played it like they did.

Oh, and of course it came out last night that Mark Emmert was personally made aware of 37 counts of sexual assault at Michigan State back in 2010 and essentially threw the claims in the trash and never acted upon his info. This was around the same time the NCAA was hammering Ohio State for the tattoos, in case you needed a reference.

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These are the things the NCAA did in 2010 instead of investigating Michigan State after finding out about 37 alleged sexual assaults by athletes: Vacated USC's national title for Reggie Bush, suspended OSU kids for tattoos, vacated 12 Florida State wins for academic fraud.

MSU lawyers doing the damn-near automatic defendant's gambit of requesting the dropping of an investigation is spooky, eh?

I'm not sure what you think you see vis-a-vis the cessation of Title IX's... (well you say "Protections" and I say "extra-judicial Kangaroo Courts" - I suspect never the twain shall meet and we'll leave it at that)... and a decades long scandal, but I'm pretty confident it has nothing to do with it.

Not that I don't believe you, but I have not yet heard about the DeVos connection, have a link for this?

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Deadspin link... I know, I know...

And I said May earlier... I was wrong, it went down in September

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So instead of Deadspin.. you know, you know...

I'd recommend that when making a judgment on the DOE's actions, instead of accepting any third party for their spin (isn't that just on the nose) on the subject, one use the actual words from the DOE: Interim Guidance on Campus Sexual Misconduct.

This in and of itself seems fine. But when comparing it to the previous guidance, one can see how it is a relaxation of title IX, and the optics still suck, regardless of if there is any "there" there. Of note, the new guidance:
- Removes the 60-day requirement to complete an investigation. Schools may now legally slow-roll cases.
- Removed language encouraging an appeals process, and leaves it totally to schools to decide.
-Adds a provision for mediation as a means of resolution. Incredibly inappropriate for sexual assault cases, and would make it easier for schools to hush things up and not comply with the spirit of the Clery Act.

Essentially, this relaxation of standards makes it easier for schools to cover up major, systemic violations, such as those at Baylor and MSU. So, yeah, it looks sketchy as fuck that Devos and the MSU president met right beforehand, even though it's unlikely anything that blatantly shady occurred.

- 60 days to complete an investigation?

Let's put some perspective on that: The aegis was put on institutions to resolve a criminal complaint within 60 days. That is a problem. What is the average length of time, from accusation to verdict and sentencing if guilty that these same cases take in the criminal justice system? A quick search from my end showed for Rape cases, it was 2.5 years.

That is with the investigative power of the state working for you.

Mandate that take less time, and imagine what would happen to your rights in the criminal justice system.

It takes time to properly prepare a procecution and a defense. Universities shortened this time considerably by not allowing for any proper defense by a variety of methods that would get a case absolutely thrown out in the criminal system.

The new guidelines specify that if a University chooses to undertake a prosecutorial role in these accusations, that they allow the defendant a legitimate opportunity to prepare and present their side.

- Removed language encouraging an appeals process?

This is factually incorrect. The appeals process is still in place. The school's now have more choice in how to apply the appeals process.

- Adds a provision for mediation as a means of resolution.

This is just another tool to use. Again, it is providing choice. If a crime is alleged, the accuser gets to choose how they wish to proceed.

The main change in this guidance is to provide more choices in how the parties may proceed, and in removing the incentive for Universities to just close cases instead of permitting the time for a proper prosecution and defense to unwind.

1. You conflate 'investigation' with 'the ENTIRE judicial process.' You cannot compare those two timelines. On top of that, the evidentiary threshold is much higher in actual criminal cases, so it's intuitive that that might take longer. Plus, much of the investigation must be complete before charges are filed, which would be the beginning of your 2.5 year clock. You're comparing apples and aardvarks.

2. I said it removed language encouraging appeals, not that it removed them. Schools just now have far more leeway in how they move forward there.

3. On it's face, the mediation option might look to be just another option, but given data over time, I think we'll see that means of resolution being pushed by schools.

Overall, the new guidance makes it easier for schools to engage in sketchy behavior. Not saying they will, but it makes it easier. At the expense of victims, who already have enough of an uphill battle to fight. You think victims were hesitant to report before? The new guidance will almost certainly have a chilling effect moving forward. That is a step backward in addressing what is a very prevalent problem.

Saw the apologies from MSU FB and B.B. coaches any chances they're at risk here?

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Chances yes. I really hope not. I have a lot of respect for Dantonio and Izzo that could evaporate very quickly.

There is some smoke indicating that there may have been incidents involving football and basketball players/staff that were covered up. Obviously, not directly related to the Nasser case, but possibly indicative of a institutional culture.

This monster's list of victims is now well over 250.

I have no words...only rage.

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Michigan State knew about this since shortly after he was hired in 1997

The local police knew about this since at least 2004

The NCAA knew about this since 2010

Everyone involved looked the other way. Everyone. The school, the police, the NCAA. Everyone who was tasked with protecting the victims of sexual assault and rape on a college campus failed the women who were abused and allowed at least 265 separate individuals to get molested and raped. There is literally nothing more these people could have done, and society failed them.

What's most concerning is that, along with this, the Department of Education rolled back Title IX protections last year that helped protect the victims of this exact kind of sexual assault, making it more difficult for their cases to be heard and their attackers to be dealt justice.

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Not helping the rage.

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Not sure what Title XI is, but I think you were looking for Title IX.

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The Devos family has a longs history of trying to influence public institutions in Michigan. I bet there are some old relationships between MSU and the head of the DOE.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/trump-education-secretary...

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/betsy-dick-devos-family-...

http://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/a12193990/betsy-devos-campus-sexual-ass...

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You better NOT go putting that fire out.

Also, it's fitting that this meme is a little girl.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
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So, this happened today. Guy had 3 daughters abused by this POS. Gotta feel for the guy. I really hope he doesn't face any charges. And yes, that may be advocating vigilante justice, but put yourself in this guy's shoes.

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Yeah that's a tough situation for everyone and I probably would have done the same thing. Don't know rules around staying at the podium but since he didn't touch Nassar I can't imagine there will be any charges.

If you look at the quote from the judge, I doubt there will be. I'm reaching, but it almost seems as if they expected this to happen at some point

That team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

Just heard on OTL that there won't be any charges for the dad.

Obviously, you can't have people attacking defendants in court rooms. But I can't blame the dad at all in this specific case.

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He was on the hook for contempt of court at the very least.

However, after he cooled his heels for a couple hours the judge let him go without any further punishment due to the circumstances, but not until he affirmed what he did was wrong and apologized to the court and to the officers that had to tackle him.

I'm sure he did all those apologies without bias, none of them had anything to do with his rage, and I'm sure he knows it.
This all reminds me of the movie: "A Time to Kill".....

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So Nasser was just sentenced to another 40-125 years in prison for 3 charges of 1st-degree criminal sexual conduct. When combined with the 60 years he was sentenced back in December for federal pornography and the 40-175 year sentence he was given for 10 counts of 1st-degree criminal sexual conduct in January, he is now going to spend between 140 and 360 years in prison.

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So he will be like 417 when he gets out? That's a lot of candles on the cake!

Year 3 is coming up!

Where he's going, he'll be used to large flames surrounding him

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MSU agrees to $500m settlement

Attorneys representing 332 claimants reached an agreement with representatives from Michigan State during a mediation meeting Tuesday afternoon. The university's board of trustees agreed to the deal in principle. The settlement did not include any other provisions about policy or acknowledging the claims made against Michigan State.

"I'm very happy that we're done with litigation," Rachael Denhollander, the first woman to publicly accuse Nassar of sexual abuse more than 18 months ago, said. "I'm very grateful for the historic number that acknowledges some of the hardships that these women have suffered. I'm also very disappointed in a missed opportunity to create meaningful policy changes."

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But I thought they didn't do anything wrong

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Interesting that they have to give the cash, but not admit do doing anything wrong.

I know, right? $500,000,000.00 is a lot to pay for an entity that is still claiming innocence.

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Well, isn't that just what settlements are all about? It's all about how much it's worth for one party to just "make something go away."

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I wonder how high the court costs would have been here? I wouldn't think they're making this payment if they thought they could win. $500m is a massive sum.

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Yeah, some team of lawyers did a calculation, thought about the PR of the whole thing carrying forward, wrote down $500 M, passed it to MSU's president, and said, "trust us, this is better."

332 claimants!

Burn it to the ground and feed Nassar the ashes.

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Nassar is never going to see the light of day.

This is about victims and lawyers gettin' PAID! The question is, who actually will have to pay? Students? Insurance? Their endowment?

A half a billion dollars is non-trivial.

I agree. That's about $1.5 million per person. Definitely not trivial. But MSU helped facilitate Nassar and for that I, personally, believe it should cease to exist.

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You mean like they did at Penn State?

Would gladly roast a marshmallow on that fire as well.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
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Its still extremely bothersome that not only did Penn St not get any kind of impactful punishment for the decades of enabling of child molestation and rape, but they actually came out of the scandal as a stronger football program because of it.

Between that and the sweeping of UNC's wrongdoing under the rug like it was... I dunno, it just feels like the collegiate game has had a bit of its luster fade away the last few years, at least to me.

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$500 million.

Wowza.

Where does that kind of money come from?

MSU has an endowment of approximately $3 billion.

I'm sure the providers of that endowment aren't really stoked that 16.7% of it is being used to end a sexual abuse scandal.

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Would this come out of the endowment, or do they have insurance for this sort of thing?

I hate to think every student in the U.S. has to pay more to cover increased insurance rates.

Some thoughts here:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/04/30/michigan-stat...

This isn't something that will affect "every student in the U.S." This is squarely MSU's problem, and they're going to get some handled by insurance (though not much, according to the above article) and either take out a credit line for the rest, or dip into the endowment (donation money, not tuition), or some combination of both.

That's a good article.

Looks like insurance will cover $39 million, but the university itself will have to come up with the bulk of the money paid out.

Edit: Then I saw this in the Lansing State Journal, which puts me back to my original concern, what if the public ends up paying? If insurance pays, we all end up paying indirectly through increased liability insurance rates. Insurance is the perfect crime, of sorts.

MSU has paid nine law firms more than $11.3 million to represent it and its current and former employees in the civil litigation and state and federal investigations related to Nassar's crimes. At least $2.5 million of that total has gone law firms handling insurance aspects related to Nassar's crimes and the lawsuits.

It's likely MSU has multiple liability insurance policies and it's possible for an organization its size to have $500 million in coverage, although the university's out-of-pocket costs could still be in the tens of millions, Lars Powell, an insurance expert at the University of Alabama who is not involved with MSU, said Wednesday. It's likely the insurers were part of the settlement discussions, he said.

"I would guess that whatever settlement they reached would be the amount of insurance they carry," said Powell, who is director of the Alabama Center for Insurance Information & Research. "They wouldn't just agree to the settlement, nor would the plaintiffs agree to that settlement, if the insurers weren't on board."

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Now $2.5 billion...