English Premier League January 2018 Transfers

As a Liverpool fan, this transfer window just got real with the sale of Philippe Coutinho to FC Barcelona for $192.5m (first Settle leaving early and now this as a nice New Years dick punch).

Here's a list of the most notable transfers so far:

Michy Batshuayi - Borussia Dortmund, Loan (Jan 31st) from Chelsea
Olivier Giroud - Chelsea, £16.25m (Jan 31st) from Arsenal
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang - Arsenal, £56m (Jan 31st) from Borussia Dortmund
Aymeric Laporte - Manchester City, £57m (Jan 30th) from Athletic Bilbao
Daniel Sturridge - West Bromwich Albion, Loan (Jan 27th) from Liverpool
Aaron Lennon - Burnley, Undisclosed (Jan 23rd) from Everton
Kenedy - Newcastle United, Loan (Jan 23rd) from Chelsea
Henrikh Mkhitaryan - Arsenal, Free (Jan 22nd) from Manchester United
Alexis Sanchez - Manchester United, Free (Jan 22nd) from Arsenal
Theo Walcott - Everton, £20m (Jan 17th) from Arsenal
Francis Coquelin - Valencia, £12m (Jan 11th) from Arsenal
Cenk Tosun - Everton, £27m (Jan 5th) from Besiktas
Ross Barkley - Chelsea, £15m plus add-ons (Jan 5th) from Everton
Adrien Silva - Leicester City, £22m (Jan 1) from Sporting Lisbon
Virgil van Dijk - Liverpool, £75m (Jan 1) from Southampton
Philippe Coutinho - FC Barcelona, £142m (Jan 1) from Liverpool

This thread will be updated as more transfers happen. Feel free to discuss your favorite teams transfer activity

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Chelsea just stole Ross Barkley like a bandit. Barcelona just did the exact opposite, good on Liverpool for getting that much for Coutinho.

Barkley's contract was up on June 30th...so a fair deal for both sides. Wish we had done something similar with Oxlade-Chamberlain...$50m for a squad player going into the last year of his contract (deal was done in August 2017)...madness.

i mean given what you just got for coutinho you could literally get anyone for any price and id be like eh youve got money to spare

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As long as they don't do like last time they got a bunch of money. They replaced one star with 3 very average players from Southampton and really got nothing. Should have just saved the money.

I don't think it's fair to complain about Ox being a 50mil squad player. I have seen this a few times and I disagree:

-Bought on 8/31/2017, the day before transfer window closed. He missed our entire preseason, 3 EPL games, and the two CL qualifiers against Hoffenheim.
-Klopp's pressing tactics are incredibly difficult for any player to master but is most demanding of his central mids, which Ox has been signed to play.
-Ox is only 24. He turned 24 in August, two weeks before we signed him--very young still.
-He is tenacious, hard working and has shown some bite in our midfield.
-His two set piece free kicks resulted in game winners against Burnley and Everton.
-Had we waited until his contract was up Chelsea would have had him. They were in for him at the same time offering a very similar deal. Not much to complain about when the market dictates a certain price. He even turned down more money from Arsenal to join us. In other words, Klopp has found another player who wants to play for US instead of some Catalonian team I can't think of the name to.

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tl;dr

He is young, was signed after the season started, has taken time to adjust and is currently establishing himself as a starter. A midfield of Ox-Keita-Lemar/Mahrez excites me. (yes I left Hendo out, and Wij, and Milner, and Lallana...Hendo is getting injured more and more, lallana and milner are aging, Wij is the squad player, not Ox).

Point taken, but Ox was squad player at the Arse and he was considered a winger at the time of his signing. Still think we overpaid but if he gets deployed in the middle and thrives there I'll admit I'm wrong ( and be happy about it). There's just no evidence of him as a creative force in the middle of the park so far in his career. I thought he was quite poor against Burnley and the bluenoses in the cup, TBH.

I agree price was high but it's just like any other market. Other buyers and comps set the market value and if you want him then you pony up the cash. I don't really care tbh, FSG said they have a 200 million (pound) war chest in the summer...VVD-75, Keita-60, Salah - 35, Ox - 35, Robertson 8 is a pretty sound window for having 200 million spent. Imagine what Rogers would have done!!

Now we have 142mil (pounds) to go spend in addition to any funds we may need in the summer. Just need to put it to good use for some proven players plus maybe a prospect or two.

Barkley went for half price because a) He has been injured all year b) as noted, only half a season on contract left c) he didn't want to be there

Love LFC for this sale. I think they will be able to sustain this loss better than they did for Suarez or Torres. They still need to hit the transfer market wisely, I'm hoping they get someone else during the Jan window instead if waiting till the summer.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Agreed, he's a fantastic player that often goes missing and has rarely been the deciding factor in games. He's physically more suited to the style of play in la liga and will probably do very well there, but plug in any number of players with vision to feed Salah and Mane and my Reds will be as well off as before. I'm more concerned with fixing the defense, finding a good defensive midfielder to replace Can and finding a consistent keeper.

Agreed, VanDijk is a GREAT start, clearly by the FA Cup outcome. I mean he almost accounted for two headers and was stout in the middle with brief training with the squad. But we certainly need to keep retooling that backline for sure. I look at how much they got for him, and I say to myself he's no Neymar, so they surely got a steal. Barca was clearly anxious to get rid of that Neymar $ to keep the fans happy.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

If we add Adjani from Basel (Central Defender), Lamar and/or Mahrez and finally the Brazilian keeper Alisso that's our team sorted for the near-term. With Keita coming in the summer, all we need is a holding midfielder for a formidable lineup. Looks like we missed out on Goretzka for a free...that would've been a coup.

I didn't hear a lot about these names Kop, got a URL you frequent with a lot of these rumors? I think a keeper is the biggest need if they want to take the next step. Mignolet isn't getting it done in my opinion.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

My favorites are www.thisisanfield.com, www.spiritofshankly.com, or good old soccernet (specifically their transfer talk section which summarizes the gossip for all clubs each day).

EDIT: TIA has a section called Forums and under that is "Transfer Talk"...thats where the gold is and a full 50% of it is nonsense.

Thanks! I've been on Anfield's for awhile now, but not your second suggestion, adding it to my RSS feed immediately.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

I usually linger around www.reddit.com/r/liverpoolfc but tend to not comment as people can be fairly volatile. What it does ensure is that every tweet, rumor, article gets posted from every source available and it is usually clear in the comments on it's reliability. This is Anfield is good but it is also a site similar to Bleacher Report where people can write and submit articles to get posted. I am not saying it is bad by any means but they are not "In The Know" when it comes to transfer speculation. Melissa Reddy, Paul Joyce, James Pearce are the names that usually come up as reliable. however after the whole VVD tapping up saga in the summer, those three reporters have trouble getting information to release early so we are having a tough time finding sources that actually know things ahead of them being announced.

The Liverpool Echo website is a good resource as well...they feature several ITKs like Melissa Reddy.

Really, I mean look at the progress since the Suarez sale. Used to be if Stevie got hurt, the season was a wash. We've been without Clyne all year, Moreno hurt, Hendo hurt, Lallana missing most of the year so far, Coutinho missing unnecessary games to try and push a transfer, and we've still been pretty consistent. It took a few years for the pieces of the Bale sale to fall together for Spurs, and it looks like we're getting to that point now. A few more quality additions and this is a squad that should be able to legitimately push for the league with plenty of depth.

I had forgotten about Adjani since it has grown quiet over the past few days. That leads me to believe we may have something developing but I heard we are OK agreeing to a deal similar to keita where we pay now and get the player in July. Lamar would be preferable but I am sure Monaco are standing by their exorbitant asking price since it is January and I don't think we will make amove for him this month (would LOVE if we did). Allison would be a huge signing but I wonder what that would mean for Migs/Karius/Ward. I would estimate we would sell one of Karius/Ward and loan the other out while keeping an older experienced (albeit limited) Migs. Would rather see Karius get a long run of games to prove his worth but Klopp must see something else in training to go after Allison.

Get Allison now...if we wait for the summer hell be the most expensive GK ever...like 60m+..migs is done Kloppo has lost confidence in him. I'd love to get Oblak but that'll have to wait until summer and it'll cost a boatload to get over the line. Alisso is with Roma, and that means Monchi who's a notoriously adept director of football and superb talent evaluator. Staying in Rome, we'd love to get de Vrij, but don't see it happening. I don't see a future for Sturride, Clyne, Origi, Markovic or Ings at the club. Expect them to move on by August...see if we can get 25m from Soton for Sturridge...they need a striker. These are exciting times.

Oblak would be a dream as well, but Allison seems most realistic. I know a lot of people talk about de Vrij but isn't he super injury prone?

As for the "no-future" players, I'll agree to Sturridge, Origi, Markovic and Ings. But Clyne has been the best defender on the pitch bar none until his injury. I have heard rumors that he isn't playing due to drugs. If that is the case then he may very well have no future. We are supremely lucky TAA and Gomez have stepped up to the plate. I think they both attack better but I still think a fit Clyne is the better defender. Plus Gomez is a CB at heart and TAA was brought and groomed in the academy to be a #6 (CDM)

I really wish Ward could break into the first team. Just wish he would be given a chance. I don't know if it's my affinity for baseball and the minor league system, but I always am a fan of "home grown talent." Wonder in Klopp's mind, how far Ward is away from starting.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

There are a lot of us who would agree with you. One of the things Klopp has done since being hired is made a clear path from the Academy to the Premier League squad. He gets to see Migs, Karius, and Ward on a daily basis.

Migs: He is a known commodity. He is steady, going to make some good saves, and some howlers, just bang average.

Karius: I thought he looked good last preseason until he broke his hand. Has never solidified his spot even after a full preseason this year to take it away from Migs.

Ward: still very young and clearly valuable since Klopp did not want him on loan.

Allison? If we sign him I expect 2/3 keepers to be gone. I go back and forth on which keeper I would want gone and I lean towards Karius just because of Migs and Ward's experience in England.

I had such high hopes for Karius before breaking his hand. I think for all the press that the backline gets, and it surely deserves its bad press, the keeper situation doesn't get enough press. The keeper and backline work hand and hand at providing a club a stout defense.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Liverpool were 9-1-1 without Coutinho this year. He is a natural #10 which flourishes in a 4-2-3-1, the 4-4-2 diamond or any central attack role. When put in the midfield on the left he tends to not cross the middle and allows defenses to stack the left side. It is no coincidence that Mane has gone out of form when Coutinho is on the field. The defenses clog the left side of the field and know that all of our creation was going through Coutinho which led to so many frustrating draws. the team is more balanced when he is either played properly in the central role (which our current 4-3-3 does not accommodate) or on the bench, ironically.

Klopp has done a magnificent job making this an actual team and not a couple of star players surrounding by a supporting cast. All I hope is that IF we buy in January we are smart and don't pull a Aquilani/Carroll/Balotelli type signing.

Explain it to Highlander: is "buying a player" essentially a club trading a player and the other club buying out or buying a portion of that contract? I'm not big on soccer, but do enjoy the occasional match.

“Stats are for losers.” -Mel Kiper Jr.

Buying a player is essentially buying the rights to a players contract. Players who are out of contract or less than 6 months on their existing contracts are considered free agents..in that no club owns their contract rights and therefore there would be no transfer fee. Transfer fees have nothing to do with a players actual contract. Hope this helps.

That's kinda what I figured. Thanks

“Stats are for losers.” -Mel Kiper Jr.

I know you were just summarizing but I think its important to note one nuance that buying a player means buying their registration (i.e. right for a club to play a particular player) and not their contract. The distinction is important because in order for a transfer to occur the club must agree a transfer fee with the selling club AND agree to a new contract with the player. This gives a player the opportunity to veto any potential transfer to a club they don't wish to go.

I just find it funny that Highlander referred to himself/herself in the 3rd person...lol.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Highlander likes to think of himself as a man's man. Nah, that's a PMT segement, "Explain it to (whoever wants something explained to them)".

“Stats are for losers.” -Mel Kiper Jr.

Anddd that was taking Highlander.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Expect Wenger at Arsenal to spend big!

/s

VTMidge

Give me umtiti!!!! id also love some fred, i know fred isnt needed but we need some cover at LB (umtiti can shift out) and kompany is hardly reliable (as much as i love him). Mostly id love to see a LB though, relying on an injury prone delph worries me

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Considering that Aguero is probably gone by then end of the season, there will be plenty of cash flow for City and Umtiti would be an insanely good fit for how pacey this squad is. It'll be interesting to see how much Pep balls out over the summer, but with the way they are playing now I think it'll be a quiet Jan. transfer period.

"Fishing relaxes me. It's like yoga, except I still get to kill something." -Ron Swanson

I went to my first Virginia Tech bowl game while I was in the womb.

eh aguero leaving rumors come out every damn year, ill believe it when i see it

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Silly, silly move by LFC. Trading away your 2nd best player at this point makes no sense. Tottenham is breathing down their neck for top 4 and no replacement can bring the magic Coutinho brings in terms of setting up other players. Even players like Lemar (who Monaco says is not leaving in January) is a different type of player. They had a decent shot at CL but now that's out the window as well (no guarantee they would have beat the likes of Barca or Real Madrid even with Coutinho, but forget about it now). LFC had all the leverage (Coutinho doesn't sit the spring before the World Cup). Panic move that opens the door for players like Salah to leave this summer

Seriously. Obviously Salah is a stud, but he's also not going to play this well for the entire season. Coutinho is more valuable to Liverpool than a lot of fans are giving him credit for, as evidenced by last season where his injury completely derailed their season. I still think Liverpool are good enough to make top 4, but that's because I expect United to fall apart the second half and make it easy.

The Salah to Madrid chatter is already starting up now for the summer transfer window. Having set the standard with Coutinho, if he wants to leave, he knows exactly what to do now. LFC will ultimately cave in. Puts the team decision making in the players hands.

Interesting thought on Man U. I can see that happening. They need to utilize Martial more as Rashford seems to be sleepwalking. Would be interesting to see if they add Ozil

When Coutinho got injured last season, Liverpool won 4 and drew 2 in the EPL, drew a league cup game and won an FA cup game. Zero losses, a win over Man City. They lost a league cup tie as soon as he returned which coincided with the 7 games Mane missed at AFCON in which they managed only one win in an FA cup tie against League 2 side Plymouth Argyle. I'm not going to pretend I won't miss Cou in the team sheet, but I was saying last year that Mane was more important to the team, add Salah to that this year. Coutinho is great on the ball but has consistently gone inconspicuous, with an attack featuring Salah, Mane and Firmino, I'm confident his presence can be replaced.

Liverpool are 8-10-2 (W-D-L) with Coutinho and 10-1-1 without him. If Klopp was playing a formation that allowed for the #10 (CAM) to exist on the field I am sure he would be a lot more important. Instead, playing the 4-3-3, Coutinho finds him self on the left central mid role and this allows defenses to key on him easier. This means they focus on shutting down the left side of the attack, and Coutinho being a natural #10 finds himself too far advanced leaving the left (and weakest) side of our defense vulnerable.

Coutinho offers very successful dribbles, longballs, free kicks and vision. Ox has shown his free kicks (while not going for goal) are very effective especially with VVD now. Salah and Mane are good dribblers. TAA, VVD can take good free kicks at goals and both have good long ball qualities. What I think we will miss is the magic he had but Klopp has established a great squad so the loss isnt as dire.

I've seen that stay on wins with or without but one point to even it out coutinho has played the games against the top teams this season and missed the smaller team games etc not disputing your point justcfelt that stat is a bit skewed
It's diffic to know how coutinho leaving impacts a tough final half of the season but we will get to see a little sample Sunday against city I don't expect a win but in a game where Liverpool will be wanting to maximize every second they have the ball the ability of coutinho could be missed, salah,mane, firmino are great but you need that magician to pull the strings

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He's not worth the 190 mil, especially considering he has told LFC that he doesn't want to be there, Just look at Arsenal and what can happen when a player insists on leaving. Sanchez should have been sold in August.

Correy

The difference between the situations is that Coutinho had a 4 years left on his contract, while Sanchez only has 6 months left. Barca and Coutinho did not have much leverage against Liverpool, so Liverpool were able to name their price and Barca were willing to pay it.

Not sure if I buy Sanchez escapes this month but who knows it's not like city desperately need help attacking by any means
Can't see Ozil leaving either not sure anyone wants him that bad
Heard a lot of rumblings about Malcom to United is a serious thing but not sure if it'll get done in time
Mahrez is intriguing I'm perplexed someone like Tottenham aren't interested he could be a fine addition for them after missing on Barkley
United could use some spark but can't say I see anyone itching to move that won't be stupidly expensive considering the market

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i mean jesus is out for possibly a year, his knee is getting rescanned could be a ligament. so we have an injury prone aguero to lead the charge and thats it.

you bring in a guy like sanchez, for pennies considering his potential, who is familiar with peps system, can play all along the front 3, why not? i mean we have sterling sane and i guess silva for the wing (silva is gonna find his way back inside) we dont have that much depth especially because foden could be out for a bit.

is it necessary? no, but we have a decent shot at the champions league and he isnt cup tied so hell yeah bring him on.

as for your other topics, mahrez might not wanna leave the going is pretty good in leicester for him hes a legend, plus i bet the fee for him is absurd right now. as for getting a playmaker atm good luck, barca and psg inflated that market sooooooo much. it makes me wonder what kind of money de bruyne would go for right now (not that hed EVER be sold)

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Huh I hadn't heard the Jesus news I thought he was only out a month or two that slightly changes things but I agree the markets nuts right now but still feel Spurs need more to challenge Liverpool for a top 4 spot
On another note I apologize my spelling isn't great but Burnley have signed N'Koudu from Tottenham on loan I believe looks decent for the clarets

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With City's injuries and now Moreno sniffing around, my guess (hope) is that MC buys him for 30 mil, we sign lemar and Malcom to "replace" him. Maybe even look at adding Mahrez if Leicester will let him go.

Correy

Not quite sure what to make of the Sanchez to UTD coming out as a man u fan im all about it but sounds more like assumptions based on what Man City are doing instead of serious reports out of the UTD camp so far but wilder stuff has happened

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frankly im glad city are backing off, word on the street is united offered 400k a week (!!!) which would destroy our wage structure right now (debruyne makes 250k). If arsenal are asking for absurd money screw em, jesus' scan came back negative so no ligament damage was done and could be back as soon as 3 weeks.

I kinda hope he sticks to arsenal at this rate just so he can leave for free this offseason, and I'm manu I wouldnt want him. Hes got a history of temper tantrums if not used correctly or if youre not winning. I just dont see this ending well with mou's playstyle demanding wingers to defend a lot

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Yeah I heard the scan results are a big part of UTD getting interested since City wont be desperate to add to their attacking ranks now but I feel UTD could really use his ability on the wing but as you said whether Mou uses him properly or not is a big IF but as a UTD fan Id rather not see him go to city where he would be lethal

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Fair enough but at what cost? ya know? I have a feeling city are more than happy with their attacking options right now, really all we need is depth and a future prospect at cm behind fernandinho (who weve apparently tabbed as Fred from shakatar)

Iunno if im sanchez, im trying to swing back into laliga, or Napoli. I think he'd excel in Napoli's system and he seems to like being an untouchable which just wouldn't fly with sane, sterling, and jesus atm.

I really dont get United's interest, I think you have plenty of attacking talent in rashford and martial on the wings, its just how mou utilizes them. I mean by all accounts united are having a really good season its just what city is doing right now is flat out absurd (coming from a city fan), Dont pull an SEC and fire a coach because they cant beat Saban ya know? Not saying city are going to have the long-term dominance that saban has, just that if I'm mou I'd just sit tight, but him picking fights with the media is just kinda dumb and egotistical imo

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The way City has stockpiled talent, teams are going to have to go big themselves. I cold see Moreno trying to get Sanchez just so Pep doesn't.

Correy

But the point is city dont need him, if mourinho is buying him for the sake of city not getting him its pretty pointless. Id much rather have fred from shakatar

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When Sanchez is playing up to form, he is a great player, maybe one of the best in EPL. If MU can get Sanchez to play he is as good if not better than anyone they have. You may be right though, City has pretty much wrapped up the title this year, so MU may want to hold off. I don't see them catching City this year.

Correy

United need to replace Mhki. Think that's their main motivation.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Iunno if im sanchez, im trying to swing back into laliga, or Napoli. I think he'd excel in Napoli's system and he seems to like being an untouchable which just wouldn't fly with sane, sterling, and jesus atm.

Sanchez probably wants two things: a hefty pay increase and to play for one of the best teams in the world. Napoli would have trouble matching his wages at Arsenal let alone what City and United can offer. The only two La Liga sides that could offer him both have zero interest in him.

Personally I don't thinks it's a negative to sign him just to spite city I don't think bringing Sanchez in hurts the young talent with martial and rashford I think it would allow mou to use rashford centrally more with martial and Sanchez out wide would be better and help the depth as well and nobody here will question how good Sanchez is on his day so I think overall it's not a bad move at all

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it goes beyond that though, theres squad chemistry and getting players that fit your system. this isnt fifa, in this day and age you cant put good players on the field and expect a masterpiece, hence why leicester won the league 2 years ago they had a squad that meshed really well together. I just really dont think sanchez meshes well with uniteds current coach, system, or roster. his defensive play is a liability and that would lose mous patience quickly

furthermore you have to think about contracts on top of that. if hes getting paid 300k a week and being the top paid british player and doesnt mesh well with the locker room immediately that could spell a ton of trouble. i mean where do you play him?

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Could be wrong, but it looks like its all but a done deal with him not on the team today. Can't imagine Wenger would leave Sanchez at home with Ozil "hurt" and not in the lineup at the same time.

Correy

Total randomness: But that MCU/LFC match was so good! Love my reds, and I really think they are headed in the right direction. I feel like they are one or two signings away from competing for championships. They truly showed that Saturday.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

yall desperately need a keeper still, you guys played phenomenally we really missed david silva

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A keeper is huge! I'm hoping they get someone during the winter window, but my hope is waning. Karius looked terrible on that Sane strike. 95% of EPL goalkeepers would stop that, including bench players. Just plain unacceptable.

Pep is an amazing tactician though, and deserves the league title this year. But if we can pick up a keeper by the summer time, watch out EPL/CL.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

coming from a keeper not as easy of a save to make as youd think. the modern goalkeeper especially against a pep team is probably told to not hug the post as hard in order to cheat on cross a bit. pep loooooves playing the ball across the face of goal for a tap-in and karius was in position to take that away, just an absolute rocket from sane.

that being said you guys have had a ton of low-lights this season and while they happen it shouldnt be at nearly the same frequency that it does. I love klopp and im really happy to see liverpool stick with him and reap the rewards. among the other big 6 i gotta say liverpool is #2 for me

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Completely agree, it was simply a bullet form Leroooooy Sane. I've been a Klopp fan ever since his Dortmund days, and I was so happy when LFC gave him the keys.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

I've seen the criticism of Karius' game against Citeh and frankly don't see it. How many keepers in the world would've saved a shot from close range like that? I'm NOT a big Karius fan as he's too timid for the EPL and doesn't control the 6 yard box like a good GK should (neither does Migs). Oblak has a 100m (Euros) release clause...that's crazy money but if he's our GK for the next 10+ years it just might be worth it (or at least less crazy...Utd spent crazy money on de Gea and for my money he's been their best player since he was acquired). Can you imagine LFC with a world-class GK AND VVD in the heart of defense. Mouthwatering.

All I want out of the transfer period is Liverpool to sell Origi to Wolfsburg. Not likely this window, but it seems apparent that Liverpool are fine with letting him go, and he's been one of few bright spots for Die Wolfe.

Looks like theo walcott is set for a 20m pound move to everton

Chem PhD '16

word on the street is johnny evans is coming to city as well. hopefully the delph injury isnt as significant as originally thought

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Brilliant signing for everton yes walcott isnt a beast but with a manager that will give him regular time i think he can be big at everton.

Had you bet the mortgage on Sanchez to MAN U a couple weeks ago I would have laughed so hard but per Wengers press conference the deal is all but done no cash just a player swap for Mhicki, honestly its a good deal for all parties involved. Sanchez gets out of arsenal and a fat contract and United get a real star forward for a few years in his prime. Mhicki gets away from Mou to a club hes more suited for style wise and arsenal get a player much better than what a 20m or 35m fee could have been used to get so arsenal actually come out of the deal not too bad off.

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I'd be thrilled with a flat trade at this point. Alexis has been more of a detriment than a help this season so I'm not sad to see him go at this point. Getting him and Walcott out of the lineup will improve our defensive woes to an extent because those two have turned the ball over at an extreme rate this season (they're not alone, but they're big offenders).

Mkhitaryan is has some work to do to regain his confidence but I agree that Arsenal suits his play style better. If we bring in Auba as well, those two obviously have a very positive history on the field.

Obviously not many Arsenal fans are in a good place right now, but I have to admit that the new front office hires from Dortmund (scouting) and Barca (football operations) have me optimistic for the future. The question is whether Wenger will stop being so stubborn and let the changes flow. This month it seems like he's doing that. He's also throwing mad shade recently (Mike Dean can go pound sand, doesn't deserve to be in his position) and I'm kinda enjoying it.

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Hi there, one of those Arsenal fans here. I think an Alexis-Mkhitarian swap would suit both sides. I agree with club direction, but I think asking Wenger to not be so stubborn is a nonstarter. He is who he is at this point. Even the switch to a back three was months late. Even the pragmatic approach that won the game at Man City a few years ago (the Coquelin game) was because the players begged him to use some different tactics. I don't think Gunners can pull back a UCL spot this year (short of winning the Europa) and if they can't, Wenger should go. His biggest draw over the last 5 years has been the incredibly high floor for the club under his leadership, and that is no longer the case and players are beginning to realize it. If Alexis and Ozil leave and Wenger points to Mavropanos and Mkhitarian, he's lost it. Aubameyang or bust at this point, and if he can't get serious business done before the world cup, he ought to go.

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He's not going. His contract has another season on it and Wenger won't break it. Arsenal could, but that costs money.

The fact that we hired a director of football operations is already Arsene giving up on his ideal structure, so I don't think it's a ridiculous notion that he could continue with that.

Also my guess is Ozil will stay. He's certainly not leaving this month.

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Of course Wenger isn't going... but he ought to. The only thing more depressing for a United supporter than the Moyes/LVG-era would have been getting those same results but SAF was still in charge. This is that.

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This is that.

Not exactly though. Arsenal can't spend the dollars that Utd. did then and still does. There's no way they'd ever be capable of paying Alexis the money he's about to get. For years, Arsenal overachieved with their available money, but that's not happening now so people are upset.

Now, they could (and I think are working on) do a whole lot better about spending the money they do have. Players like Walcott had no business getting the wages they had, and we've signed a lot of players over the past several years that are simply not Arsenal quality. I think that's where the new front office hires are going to help a lot.

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There's been plenty of trumpeting every year when Arsenal indicate that they have made a new record annual revenue and are sitting on 200m pounds cash reserves. They haven't spent wisely lately, but there's a definite reason for the criticism that Wenger needs to splash the cash.

As far as a comparison to united, i just meant it as watching a legend go and the team flounder without him. But then imagine it where the legend loses his edge and the team flounders with him and anyone with any sort of external perspective can see it but him. No DiMaria- or #Schmidfield-shaped transfer flops required.

Edit: This column actually does a decent job of explaining why things are bleak at the moment.

There was a clear subtext implied in Wenger's comments upon Mavropanos's signing that Mislintat and Senllehi would have to work the Arsenal—and Wenger—way. Wenger said that they would have to "adapt to a new environment [and] discover suddenly a different structure" and that, despite Mislintat's arrival, the club already knew "every single player in Europe before [he] arrived." Wenger clearly still views a club hierarchy with him at its head.

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Does Wenger have the authority to spend what wants or does Kroenke control what is spent?

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Think only two people in this world know the answer to that. Each keeps his mouth shut in exchange for more money.

Alexis-for-Mhkitaryan swap is complete, reports indicate no additional money has changed hands.

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I would have liked to have kept Mkhi but not a bad swap all things considered. Alexis is a great player but part of me worries that he could upset the team chemistry.

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If there was ever anyone whose will Mourinho will have to "break" and it all plays out through interviews and punditry, it'll be Alexis.

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I'm not too worried about it. That was a concern when Pogba and Zlatan came but it's been fine. I'm excited.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

This is true. Mourinho seems to be good at checking their egos just enough.

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i mean he struggled with ronaldo, robben, and hazard. Im just saying dont be shocked if this blows up in their face, the wage structure at united is all over the place right now

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It's not. No one actually knows Sanchez's wages so don't believe it when they say he's on 500k quid a week.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

And don't fool yourself into thinking that Mino Raiola doesn't know what Sanchez is being paid and isn't going to agitate for Pogba to be making as much or more.

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The most substantiated rumor I saw was he and Pogba were very close in wages.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

What you should be concerned about is his penchant for losing the ball. When he's producing a lot of end product, it's really easy to ignore (like last season) but the second his production starts to lag, you'll be very frustrated with his inability to pick his head up and find his teammates.

I'll also note that his production last year was skewed by having lead the line for a large chunk of the season.

There's no doubt that he's a world class player, but he really can ruin the flow of the game. I don't think he'll ever be considered a flop in any sense, but I'll be interested to see how the team dynamic is affected on the field.

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We're going through that with Rashford now. Lad doesn't want to pass.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

At least he's young and can change. I think Alexis is what he is. Even at Barca he had the same issues.

That all being said, I think both teams and both players came out as winners in the swap. Alexis is more suited to the more direct style Utd plays and Mkhi is more suited to the ball control style of Arsenal. Utd gets a player a rival had been chasing and Arsenal gets something out of a player who was close to leaving for free.

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even if it isnt 500 quid, 350 (much more believable frankly and probably closer to what I'm expecting) would make him the highest paid player on the team, and I doubt that will sit well with pogba, degea, martial, or rashford. I'm just saying there are times where you'll be thrilled with him but there are a ton of egos in that locker room and mou has a history of flaming out spectacularly, this all just seems kind of short sighted to me. If im another team in the league I'm investing in youth and prepping for next season

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this all just seems kind of short sighted to me

Says a fan of the team that was the front runners to him and were prepared to pay him similar wages. Okay.

If im another team in the league I'm investing in youth and prepping for next season

??? United have invested in and played more youth than any team in PL.

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yeah the front runners to sign him until he started making unreasonable wage demands and we backed out. We werent ready to pay those wage demands and thats why we didnt get him, the locker room wouldve been pissed. the whole reason we were after him was to give us rotation at the front three to help us compete on 4 fronts.

as for the youth im not saying you dont play a ton of youth but buying a 29 year old winger is not looking to give that youth a chance nor is it the same as buying say thomas lemar, thats what i mean by "investing in youth". by buying an aging star youre hoping to play catchup in the short term and will have to make the same investment in a few years, bite the bullet invest in some younger guys, let them intigrate into your system, compete next year. its what city did last year with stones, jesus, sane and were certainly reaping the benefits this year

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That's bullshit. City just dumped De Bruyne with similar wages so your we don't want dressing room drama argument doesn't exactly hold up. It wasn't wages, it was his initial fee when City thought they could get him on a free in six months. United just had Mhki to expend.

We didn't buy many players last summer (Lindelof, Matic, and Rom) anyway but we play our own youth far more than anyone else. I'd rather play the youth we have grown in our academy (Lingard, Rashford, Pogba, Tuanzebe, McTominay have all featured this season). In addition, United have bought younger players like de Gea, Martial, Luke Shaw, Eric Bailly, and Phil Jones and turned them into great players. Kills me to say it about Phil Jones tho. Come on eshiben don't be this dense.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

It's kinda hard to point to Pogba to support your argument when he left on a free out of the academy because SAF didn't play him. Yes he technically counts, but he shouldn't effectively count if the team had to splash 90m pounds to bring him back.

Not saying you're wrong about Utd and their relative investment in youth, but lol at lumping pogba in with lingard and rashford.

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He was out of the academy when he left I'm pretty sure. SAF promoted him to first team in 2011, left in 2012. But it doesn't matter. He was in our academy. Baffling that it gets discredited because the market justified a massive price tag at the time (a bargain now really).

Either way, take him out of the equation and we're still giving more minutes to academy players.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

diaz, foden, tosin, and nmecha have all seen first team minutes for city this year. Foden would be seeing a TON more if it werent for a ligament injury, I wouldn't say we're that far behind outside of rashford (who has 2 years on foden and diaz)

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Not out of the academy, he left on a free off his first professional contract as a 19 year old. That's my mistake and you're right.

But on the same note, I love what Everton have been doing by investing in youth and getting quality play from players like Holgate, Lookman, Calvert-Lewin, and the youth they've grown in the academy like Luke Garbutt, Conor Grant, and Wayne Rooney

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Debruyne is on 220k a week the same as Aguero. So no. furthermore hes completely earned it by being the best player on our team 2.5 years running (maybe david silva but hes got a good contract as well) if I'm debruyne and Sanchez immediately walks in making more than me I'd be pretty pissed off.

As for bringing in young players and making them great de Gea absolutely; lets hold off on shaw and bailly, and i wouldnt exactly call phil jones world class and martial was already pretty spectacular before he came to united. My point is, if you can spend that kind of money why not expend mkhi for a young player elsewhere? How is purchasing sanchez any better than going after someone like lemar or another martial? Sanchez seems like a fix for maybe 2 years, ala ibra, and thats fine and dandy but I highly doubt you win champions league this year, and is that investment really worth an FA cup?

the reason city wanted him was because he knew the system, slotted in well, and the fact that we're fighting on 4 fronts and injuries are starting to pile up. I for one am happier we're getting laporte honestly

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DeBruyne is on way more than that after incentives.

I never said any of those guys are world class. But they all feature on the first team when healthy. And don't pull that bullshit about martial being spectacular before he came. Everyone said it was stupid to pay him so much money. Tony Martial came from France English press said he had no chance yada yada yada.

This is hilarious. United shouldn't have bought Sanchez because he's old but City wanted him because he fit the system and y'all needed depth. Please just see the hypocrisy there.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I thought martial was a great pickup and didnt think it was a stupid investment at all, hate on van Gaal for his tactics but I thought he did a pretty reasonable job scouting talent. Martial was phenomenal in the champions league before he came over to United he whooped Arsenal.

My point is city have a ton more left to play for than United this season, like it or not. Sanchez would have given us more options to face these challenges.

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everybody whoops arsenal in the champions league :(

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Can't get your ass whooped in Champions League if you're in Europa League.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Worked for United last year, too, didn't it? Easy to talk down at Arsenal's poor year last year (and so far this), but United went through a much worse patch over the last 4. You were 3 years old the last time Arsenal finished a season in 6th or worse. United have done that twice in the last 4 years.

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I know it's just tongue in cheek banter. Relaxxxx.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

And it's banter the other way too. Remember David Moyes?

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Of course! That's actually when I started cheering for United believe it or not.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

god bless your soul

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I still have no idea how I ended up on Manchester United. I think it was a combination of being a Bucs fan (Glazers ownership) and my high school mascot being the Red Devils.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

i mean i picked city because i had a soccer coach in middle school who was kinda obnoxious about united and didnt want to pick someone super good (liverpool at the time) who rivaled them. so after searching through fifa and some youtube clips i fell in love with shaun wright phillips and boom fandom

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United and Liverpool are still each other's biggest rivals...fyi

i mean probably, id be curious if you polled the younger generation of united fans what theyd say though. Over the last 10 years city have definitely been a bigger headache for united but yeah historically united always compare themselves to liverpool

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...but he wouldn't have given United more options to chase down city or make a run into the champions league? You're talking out of your ass man. Do I think we can win the PL? Unless City drop into a massive funk with injuries, no. Does that mean we shouldn't upgrade our squad when we have a chance? No. We still have a lot to play for too. We swapped an out of form player for a world class PL player at hardly no cost. I just can't fathom how you think we made a bad move here considering you thought it would've been a good move for City.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

My point is, I dont think anyone is chasing city down or even making it close. I also think United have a pretty flawed roster for a lot of reasons (I think degea covers a ton of defensive flaws). My point is if Im united I'm using this season (youre definitely cracking the top 4) to bring in new guys that will be around for a while to close the gap in future seasons. I dont think it was awful business, I just dont think its as great as everyone seems to claim it was. If sanchez is banging in goals left and right for the next 5 years and yall win a champions league this year I'll eat my words but I just dont see that happening.

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We've been to doing that though.

As far as de Gea masking defensive flaws, lately you're right. Bailly and Rojo are monsters for us and they've been injured.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Great weekend to be a Gooner all things told. If we close this Auba deal things might actually be looking up.

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Is the word still Auba for giroud plus cash? Haven't seen much in this deal lately I honestly don't think y'all should be dumping giroud out so quickly

Also it'll be interesting to see if Liverpool do anything more before deadline these last two games have been something else

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I don't think Arsenal wants to lose Giroud. I know I don't. However he wants minutes with the upcoming world cup so a loan deal to Dortmund plus cash for Auba is a scenario I could see.

But Ornstein just said it'll happen so it's gonna happen (no word on Giroud) . I really like these new front office hires.

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Widely reported this morning that a fee has been agreed, deal likely would not include Giroud moving the other way on a six month loan.

Chem PhD '16

I usually frequent reddit (liverpool fan here) but I have completely stopped posting, and now I am on the verge of not even visiting. Most of the "fans" there think that FSG/Klopp of shown a clear lack of ambition and planning by selling Coutinho and think we need to start panic buying. So I will lay out my reasoning for one there is only one player we may buy before 2/1/2018...

1. Coutinho protested and said he wouldn't play another game. Barca offere 142 million pounds. Never going to get a better deal than that. Coutinho is super talented but he also has a knack for disappearing for periods in games, so 142 for a guy who cant consistently take hold of the game? Take it. I am not trying to find excuses for Phil, I loved the guy until his antics this year but he was no Gerrard who could single handed win games for us. Phil could do it every once in a while.

2. Every club (Moncao - Lemar, RBL - Keita, Leicester - Mahrez) know exactly how much money we just gained and know that we are somewhat desperate to replace Coutinho. So reasonable (read: reasonable for January) prices just got even higher. FSG has shown that they are willing to back Klopp, but Klopp is not going to spend money without thinking about the value. Liverpool want Lemar, will have Keita in the summer, but at their own valuation.

2a. Many fans see this as being the lack of ambition. These same fans who carried pitch forks and torches to get Hicks and Gillette out of ownership (and rightfully so!) are now saying we need to spend without concern. At some point we have to be realistic and realize our pockets are not oil rich, russian, or whatever else. Our purchases have to be shrewd and well-valued.

3. Klopp has slowly gotten rid of the team Brendan Rogers fielded and has assembled the team he wants. Brendan's team post-Gerrard lacked leadership in a big way. Hendo was the only leader but he is showing how often he is injured. Hopefully he can make it back consistently but I won't hold my breath. Klopp has signed VVD, Keita, Mane, Salah, Robertson, Ox and a few more. Not all, but a lot of these players, are gritty, tough, and exhibit leadership qualities in multiple areas on the pitch.

4. Klopp likes to develop talent more than buy it. Rogers didn't have a bad team, per say, but that line-up against Real Madrid in 2014 shows just how far the depth on this roster has come with Klopp at the helm. A lot of Rogers players are squad players now but a few are still starting. That was the complaint 3 years ago as well--that this team just felt like a B-team without Gerrard, Sterling, Suarez, and the ever-injured Sturridge.

5. This team has shown real improvement ever since Klopp took over. Had we beaten Swansea and West Brom no one would be saying anything. A lot of people said we should have kept Coutinho and benched him for the rest of the season. Those same people who say Liverpool are lacking ambition would have been the first to criticize the club at being so stubborn leaving Phil on the bench for losses to swansea and WBrom.

6. Look at how long it to Ox to break into the line-up. Klopp clearly rates him, and Wijnaldum is the midfielder bought to be depth on the bench. Ox, bought on the summer transfer deadline day, took nearly 3.5 months to break into the lineup fully. Klopp's press i complicated. What midfielder could we have bought who would have already had an impact? Look at VVD. it takes time for players to learn their positions in Klopps style of play and VVD looked a little lost against West Brom. He was still far and above any CB we have, but he wasn't flawless.

If there is one position we can, and maybe should address before Wednesday, is GK. Allison and Oblak are available and we have the funds to buy. Any other position would be nice but GK is an immediate need that can be addressed and slot into the team very easily.

I know its long so: tl;dr:

Liverpool have ambition but lack the deep pockets to buy without concern of value. In addition Klopp has a complex system so any purchase would take time to bed-in. Fans are only angry because of the losses and want to blame someone.

My takeaway: teams win, teams lose, it's why they play the game and it is why we watch. Just enjoy the ride that Klopp has us on and stop the nonsensical BS thinking we are RM, Barca, Bayern, etc. and can ask any player to join and they will be falling over themselves to join.

Absolutely this *100 you guys need a GK everything else can wait. youre still plenty talented enough to crack the top 4 which I dont think will be an issue.

as for criticizing defenders theres typically a learning curve. very few CBs come in and star immediately. theres so much chemistry at the position, more than possibly anywhere else on the field, and youve got to embrace the growing pains. hell 2 years ago people were saying otamendi was the flop of the decade, a little patience and good coaching and boom hes world class. give klopp time, the guy is a master at getting the most out of players

my only criticism is i dont think hes ever had a world class keeper, dunno if thats on the staff or what. But man liverpools keeper situation is not good to say the least

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Our GK coach has lasted from Reina until now. Through several managerial changes too. I think that is the issue. Migs had big upside, Karius had big upside, but they both have plateaued or even faded a bit. I don't know how the guy survives--maybe he really is good and we have never given him something to truly work with? I don't know. All I know is Allison and Oblak are available, we have the money, it would be the easiest change to make today.

Ward is, and has been, the best goalkeeper on Liverpool's books the past two seasons. Not sure why he isn't playing. Is he injured?

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I wasn't a GK when I played so I can't say this for a fact, but unless a GK is world class talent, they usually hit their prime in mid to late twenties.

But to me the biggest reason is this...they did not loan him out, they [the coaches] get to see him at work every day. Every single day, they have chosen Migs and Karius above him. I am not saying he doesn't have potential or couldn't be our starter down the road. I think if the coaches thought he would be worth trying out, they would have at least let him play in the FA cup.

There's available and there's "available". Oblak is under contract through 2021 with a 100m-euro buyout clause. Of course he's "available". If Neymar was available for PSG then anyone is available. But for the price, you might as well buy Jack Butland or Fraser Forster for a third. Alisson is much more realistic since he's only had one year in the top flight (less proven than Oblak) and (probably) has a much lower buyout clause. If it doesn't get addressed now, wait til summer and offer Joe Hart a lifeline rather than spending world class striker money on a keeper.

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Joe Hart is looking to cancel the loan to salvage world cup hopes, might be able to get him cheap. That man will always have a spot in my heart and if he goes to Anfield I hope he revives his career

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We were linked with him a year or two ago, no interest whatsoever since that I know of. If we go after him, we're truly desperate to plug a hole. As has been mentioned Danny Ward is waiting for his chance.

Joe might not be a bad stop gap though, dude is pushing 30 and Ward may need another year or two to develop, could give him good competition too (much like Given did at the start of Hart's career)

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We have Migs and Karius, we don't need to keep buying average goalies. Allison is available for about 45-50 million pounds, where Butland and Forster would probably cost 25-35million. I would rather have Allison any day of the week for that money. Also Oblak trialed with Liverpool when he was 16 but picked up an injury and never completed his trial. He has a buyout clause so as long as liverpool hit that clause, he can negotiate should he want to join Liverpool. If Oblak is a top-5 world keeper for ~90m pound buyout, then I wouldn't hesitate in doing so. If they [the club] value Oblak similar to Allison, go with Allison.

think butland might cost a bit more being an english keeper (i mean lets be real the "english" tag boosts transfer fees astronomically)

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all the more reason to look elsewhere IMO. Not saying these keepers are bad. They may even be an improvement on Migs and Karius, but only slightly I think. If we are going to buy yet another keeper, go big. With Robertson developing, Moreno seeming to have a rebirth, Clyne returning from injury, TAA showing true promise, VVD, Lovren (having a leader direct him), matip, Gomez moving back to CB, I think the defense is young but has some impressive depth. Because of that I would rather use cash to get a top keeper, not some young guy with upside but a real winner.

As a liverpool fan I can't stand United. I can't stand Mourinho, Fellaini, Herrera etc. But what I can't stand more than anything is how bad they would be if they didn't have De Gea in net. Every united fan (generalizing) acts as if they are slighted if they don't win the EPL every year. But without De GEa...man they would struggle to be top 8 I think.

absolutely agree, De Gea has bailed them out so many times which I find incredibly ironic since a lot of boards were screaming for him to be sold after his first season, also I still dont trust lovren at all, dunno if its because of all of the mistakes I've seen him make or what but man to me he feels like your demichelles; you see him on the team sheet and groan

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I can't stand Reddit LFC forum. It is so poisonous. I really like Klopp and it is clear he is taking us in the right direction. However, I can't fully support selling Coutinho in January. Yah, he said he wasn't going to play. I would have preferred we call his bluff than to sell him. Tell him not to come to Melwood/Anfield until he got his head out of his butt. No way in a world cup year he takes the spring off. If the reason we didn't sell Phil in the summer is because it was too late to buy a replacement for him, then waiting until January and not buying a replacement and still selling makes no sense.

If we don't make top 4 this year, I can't think of anywhere to place the blame than squarely on the decision to get rid of Phil mid-season.

To be fair, our record without Coutinho was something like 11-1-1 and with him it was something like 8-8-1. We tie a lot more because the position he played in the midfield really altered the balance. If a team could shut down our left side (coutinho side) we tied games. Without him we are 100% more balanced but a little less creative. If we don't finish top-4 it won't be Coutinho's fault. Even when Coutinho played for us there were still games where he just disappeared on the field. If we don't finish top-4 it will be a team failure.

I know it isn't a popular opinion but 142million pounds is a deal you just can't pass up. Pogba was what, 94 million pounds? Selling Coutinho for 50million more than that is incredible business. And I know, people are tired of hearing FSG and good business in the same sentence. But this summer we will have Keita, will have bought Lemar or someone similar, and will most likely sign one of Allison or Oblak. I will miss Coutinho, but this isn't the same situation when we lost Suarez.

EDIT: I haven't even read this article yet and I already love it:

https://tomkinstimes.com/2018/01/the-tomkins-times-exists-to-promote-med...

just outta curiosity where does lemar fit in, you have 2 incredible wingers in mane and salah. I do know klopp likes to rotate a ton, I think Keita is the crucial signing, if you can get good fullback play next season you'll be a challenger on multiple fronts

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I have a couple opinions on the matter. At Dortmund Klopp really liked the 4-2-3-1. Coming to liverpool our personnel were geared to the 4-4-2 diamond or maybe the 4-3-3. Klopp has transitioned fully to the 4-3-3 but I feel like it is getting even closer to the 4-2-3-1 lately. Overall it is a very fluid system that sees many different formations.

Lemar could take Coutinho's role as a creative midfield play maker. He could also play winger which is clearly something Klopp sees in his midfielders. If Mane or Salah go out, we have Ox (had Coutinho), Lallana, and Wijnaldum who all have massive experience as attacking mids.

I don't truly now where he would play or who he would push out. Monaco wanted 90mil because they were approached so late. We turned them down, but Arsenal was willing. Lemar turned Arsenal down and presumably wants to play for Liverpool. Liverpool also turned Monaco down this winter because, again they wanted 90mil because January. So we will wait until the summer to make a more realistic bid of 55-60 million. What I will say, he is not a priority in my eyes. I would rather look at another CB, GK, CDM (not a bruiser but a creative guy who can go box to box as needed), Winger depth (Pulisic, Brandt etc)

GK has to be priority #1 for you guys if you can get keita sorted out. next CDM that deep lying playmaker role is so important in todays game

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I'm going to say it here, and only here because I won't be hunted down with pitchforks and torches.

I really liked rogers philosophy but losing Agger, Skyrtel, Gerrard, Suarez...well that really was the spine and grit that was straight down the center of that team. After they left Hendo was de facto captain but even he seems a bit too nice to me. His abilities are good and his leadership is mainly unquestionable. But when Fellaini was acting like a proper tool throwing his elbows round, it was Gerrard who knocked his nose off to shut the human-microphone up.

It is no coincidence, IMO, that one-by-one the Rogers era players are either being benched or sold. Next year a perfectly plausible line up could be :

Allison, Robertson, VVD, Matip, Clyne, Keita, Hendo, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Mane, Salah, Firmino

Bench: Karius, Lovren, Gomez, TAA, Mahrez/Ings, Solanke, Pulisic/Brandt/Lemar

Or

Allison, Robertson, VVD, Matip, TAA, Keita, new CDM, Lemar/Mahrez, Mane, Salah, Firmino

Bench: Karius, Gomez, Clyne, Hendo, Ings, Solanke, Can

In the first line up there are two rogers players with 4 on the bench if you consider TAA and if we don't sign mahrez or another midfielder and sign winger depth.

Second lineup has ZERO rogers players with 5 on the bench.

If we could sign a CDM i would be in love. Between Mahrez/Lemar/winger depth I would rather have Mahrez and a true winger than Lemar who can do both. But I would love to have Lemar regardless.

All things considered my biggest complaint with Rogers and our transfer committee was it felt like we had a team of back ups. I truly don't see a future for Hendo unless he can stay healthy for a full season. And I think a lot of rogers players are not the strongest mentally and it shows in their tenacity on the field. I am ecstatic with Klopps signings. I hate that it has taken 2 full seasons plus a third almost full season to get to this point--but the team is young and stong.

/rant

Aymeric Laporte to Manchester City on a 57m pound deal is official. Club record in pounds, but less than they paid in euros for DeBruyne. #brexit effects taking their toll, I guess. For what its worth, Laporte for that money is much better value than Van Dijk at 75m pounds. Different players, but Laporte is good and there's a reason everyone was after him before he extended his contract a couple seasons ago.

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He may very well be a better value than VVD. The key here is Klopp wanted VVD. As a liverpool fan who peruses Reddit often, everyone criticizes FSG's ambition and ability to spend big. Bottom line, Klopp wanted VVD, club probably overpaid but got the manager the player he wanted--that is ambition. I am OK with this.

agreed, apples and oranges here, I'm thrilled we finally got laporte though we were tied with him for two years now. As for fees, its about to become super inflated in the next year with the world cup and Madrid about to spend BIG. I wouldn't worry about it, its all about to become shattered

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I think it's already inflated.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

It is, but PSG pretty much just broke FFP with what they did. Man City is always on the brink of or stretching FFP with their wage structure (no offense to the Man City fans here) and RM is already talking about Harry Kane, Mo Salah (stay away from him!!) and plenty of other big names. THis summer, money is going to fly.

FFP is a farce. No point in even worrying about that.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

For sure, but as long as it is in place there are clubs who will not violate those rules. Liverpool are one of those clubs who have publicly stated they will work within the constraints of FFP. Without club buy-in, it is a farce. PSG, Barca, RM have all shown they don't care about integrity and UEFA is weak.

our wage structure isnt as bad as one would think. It used to be an issue sure when our first round of stars came in but its since been mitigated.

http://www.totalsportek.com/money/manchester-city-player-salaries/

and we've trimmed a lot of the fat on that too, debruyne was given a bump and sterlings is coming, but bony and nasri are out and on top of that yaya took a big pay cut

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The important part is profit vs. spending. I'm not saying this article is perfect:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/29/manchester-citys-220-mill...

but last year City only reported 20 million in profits and have already spent quite a bit this past summer. Further, City has the most expensive squad coming in just below 900mil pounds and that is with PSG buying Neymar.

edit: I don't care a single lick, I am not salty about this at all. (no seriously). I love the EPL the way it is, relegation, big spenders, etc. It makes the David vs. Goliath that much more interesting without forced equalized spending.

Arsenal loses to Swansea 3-1. At this point, I just have to hope that Wenger drops dead because he's not going to leave before his contract is over. The longer he stays, the more the team is going to regress. As exciting as Auba could be, he's not going to help our defense or midfield. (I'm also not confident that they'll even get the deal done in time).

I really feel bad for gunner fans. It seems like every year at this point Wenger should be fired. Then there is a last minute surge where the gunners get close to if not past 4th place and he stays for one more season.

I mean. There's also the FA Cup wins. I know it doesn't hold nearly the prestige of a league title but 3 of 4 FA Cups is not a bad run. Fans, Arsenal and otherwise, tend to overlook that there have been bright spots.

It's more than some other big clubs have been able to do...

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But to be fair, the Gunners haven't even been in a legit title race in the last five years to slip and fall out of

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slip and fall out of

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

It's literally been 4 years since I have cried and you have to bring that up again

For sure I would love to have trophies, I just think Wenger's time is up, that's all. And I wasn't trying to be insincere in my comments, it feels like this time every year people are wondering why Wenger is still around then he goes and wins an FA cup or qualifies for CL and stays around again. One of my best friends in a gunners fan who won't watch them until Wenger is out...so I get to hear a lot about the negativity.

Wenger = Beamer for me. Most Arsenal fans would like to see him go. Most of those would still like a lot more for him to succeed.

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Auba official. Anxious to see how this turns out. I enjoy Auba, but some guys really struggle with the EPL transition. Being a United fan, Falcao and Di Maria come to mind.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

tbf falcao was coming off an awful acl tear

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True but he was still bullied off the ball so much. Di Maria you could say just didn't want to be there.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Aubameyang to Arsenal is official for 56m pounds. Lucas Moura completed his medical at Spurs ahead of a reported 25m pound move. And Ozil signed a new contract as well.

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Not bad business at all tbh.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I love that we replace Alexis with mkhi and auba. That's good business for Arsenal.

But I'm over the moon that Ozil extended his contract. That's huge.

Things are wildly inconsistent on the field and I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, because on paper we have the horses. Beat the tar out of an in form Palace one week and get stomped by a bad Swansea the next. I dunno. Need a new gk for sure. Beyond that I think it's all mental.

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  • Would love to see Gunners pip Pool or anyone else to Alisson this summer - we know how to spell his name!
  • I, too, am exceedingly glad that Ozil re-upped
  • Wenger is going to have a selection headache with Mkhitaryan, Lacazette, Aubameyang, and Ozil unless there's a change in formation away from 3 at the back
  • This team is begging for a Kante in midfield. Xhaka just isn't cutting it as a "holding" player.

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Did you watch the goals scored by Swansea yesterday? Xhaka isn't cutting it as a premier league player, let alone a holding player...he was asleep for two of them whilst Cech produced one of the howlers of the season for Swansea's second. Ozil is a luxury player...I wouldn't be excited about him re-signing...he plays like he can't be arsed half the time.

Arsenal would be best served by getting rid of both, not an option anymore with Ozil, I guess...

You haven't watched enough Arsenal, which is understandable. The team, generally, plays night and day better with Ozil on the pitch and it's not even close. He was crucial to get re signed.

he plays like he can't be arsed half the time.

Also this is such a bad ESPN hottake I'm consistently surprised people buy it. He tops the list of goal chances created over the past few years.

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Xhaka is asked to play a position he's not suited (and it's very clear he isn't suited for it). Big transfer miss and I wouldn't be surprised to see him go back to Germany in the summer. I'm actually kinda hoping he does, but a more defensive minded player needs to come in. If we go into the 2018 year with Elneny as our holding player, I'm gonna scream lol

As far as Ozil, he is a luxury player that every side in the world would love to have threading through balls in towards their forwards. At this point, his reputation is much worse than his effort, and a lot of that is because he's generally emotionless during matches and is a lot more fluid than twitchy in his style. Re-signing him to massive wages is as much about perception of Arsenal as a side that can hold on its talent as it is about keeping Ozil. See Theo Walcott in 2012-13.

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We played 4 at the back against Swansea (I know, not a glowing endorsement. Just saying the formation isn't set in stone). Regardless, this is the Arsenal. If 3 of those guys don't find themselves on the trainers table by year's end I'll be very surprised.

Plus I think Auba is cup tied for Europa. Maybe Mkhi too? So there will be minutes to go around.

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Mkhi shouldn't be. Someone in r/reddevils posted the rule explaining why Sanchez wasn't cup tied so then Mhki shouldn't be either.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Mkhi's not cup tied for Europa, but his number is since Alexis wore it during the competition.

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Giroud to Chelsea for 19m pounds official

Edit: seeing some places report as 16.25 plus fees and some reports as 19m. Anyhow, sad to see him go but wish him all the best. Gonna miss that meaty french forehead running across the near post

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Hurts way more than any other transfer out we've had in a long time. Hate it had to be that club. Happy for him that he'll get some more minutes, he deserves it.

Farewell scorpion king.

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This is the worst outgoing since van Persie, to me. Giroud took a LOOTTTTTT of crap from fans, and only maybe a third of it was deserved, because they expected him to be RvP and not Olivier Giroud. Most fans came around, and especially once he proved so adept at scoring off the bench. I always felt like he fit in so well with the side and that the attack was much more dynamic with him than with Walcott, Welbeck, or Sanchez through the middle. We'll always have the scorpion kick and the Wilshere-against-Norwich goal

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