Josh Jackson makes Maxwell Award watch list

https://www.maxwellfootballclub.org/2018-maxwell-watch-list/

It's a lengthy list but great to see Josh get some preseason hype.

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By the expression on Rickys face, it seems he can't wait to knock Osceola off his horse....and I can't wait to see it!

congrats to both. Looks like they are the face of VT this year. Looking forward to media day.

Why? I'm not trying to be a dick but unless there's massive improvement, I don't think he'll be better than a mediocre P5 starting quarterback this year.

I think he certainly has a lower ceiling from a physical standpoint than a lot of other guys. But the guy has some VT (insert Michael Brewer here) toughness. If he continues to grow mentally, and the OL continues to improve, and some of the young talented skill players emerge as legit weapons, JJ could really be much better than we all want to give him credit for.

Is it football season yet?

You right. The redshirt sophomore in his third season in the system, with more weapons around, coming off an historic freshman season will be the a mediocre P5 starting QB. Seriously, where does this hate of JJ come from.

The kids is good. Does he have limitations, you bet. But the kid is a top 20 quarterback and would walk into most QB rooms and be handed the job.

Always choose joy.

historic freshman season

I keep seeing this and I really want to know why. Is it because he had the most passing yards by a freshman at VT? If that's it, then his competition consists solely of Michael Vick...who played in a system that ran the ball 70% of the time. And I really hope no one is saying that JJ was the best freshman to ever play QB at VT.

You're saying that's not impressive? Players tend to improve the most in their early seasons. I feel like the anti JJ crowd isn't accounting for how much players tend to improve in their early seasons.

Please don't call me "anti-JJ" just because I don't think his season last year was "historic".

You might not have intended it that way, but so many posters on here very blatantly are. One of the top threads right now is about how Fuente is "trolling" by taking JJ to the ACC media day, so excuse me if I'm hyper sensitive to it.

JJ didn't even improve over the course of his first season, in fact he only got worse and worse. You can feel free to blame that on injury or whatever, but it's not unreasonable at all to not come away super impressed with his first year outside of the first 4 games or to be skeptical that he's magically going to be better when he steps on the field this year because "experience." In fact this program in particular has had a ton of QB's recently do just the opposite.

Y'all do realize he was throwing to true freshman most of the time right? Yeah we had Cam, but the other teams number 1 CB was on him or he was double teamed. All of this cannot be pinned on JJ, yeah he didn't light the world on fire the second half of the season bc we played substantially better teams. Not to mention our ground game was above average which puts additional pressure on JJ to essentially carry the load, while being injured. Sorry for the rant but cut the kid some slack guys, it was his first year starting; if he doesn't improve this year then yeah all criticism is warranted bc our line is better and so is our receiving corps

It's not like experience is the best teacher or anything. That's a well known proverb. Anyways by "a ton of QBs" I think you mean Thomas, because he is the only one that fits the narrative you are trying to build.

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Also, it's not like our head coach is known to be any kind of QB whisperer or something, nope. Definitely no reason to think JJ will be better this year.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Just imagine how good JJ could be if Fuente(s) talked at a normal volume instead of whispering all the damn time.

I laughed out loud. Congrats.

I hate rude behavior in a man. Won't tolerate it.

IMO last season he did better than his detractors are willing to give him credit for and worse than his numbers suggest.

Give the guy his due though, he played well. He didn't shake the earth but for a freshman season he played very well, historic even for VT.

^^^This

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

...but for a freshman season he played very well, historic even for VT.

I agree with all you said, except for the historic part. Through the Beamer and Fuente years, there have been exactly two Freshmen QBs. I give you that he played well, but his play wasn't historic. The fact that he was the starting QB as a freshman was the historic part.

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

So.....historic then?

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

...he played very well, historic even...

In one way, yes. Just not in the way he used it. JJ's play wasn't historic, the fact that he was the QB as a freshman was.

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

To be fair...he tied the record of TD's in a game with five against ECU. So his game against ECU was historic. :)

It's historic because it happened last year and that means it's part of history.

Chem PhD '16

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

If he broke a record then it's historic. That's how it works, so yes historic for VT. You seem to be looking for historic in a larger context such as ACC, NCAA or whatever, but no matter how you slice it JJ made history at VT his freshman year. Stone cold fact.

Not necessarily, it would depend on the record. Are we talking about "Most passing yards by a freshman QB at VT"? You're talking a sample size of two (I can't come up with another data point, off the top of my head), with the other data point being another freshman QB (albeit a generational talent) in a run-first offense. Because he was able to throw more yards than Michael Vick does not make that record worthy of being called "historic".

Michael Vick's 199 stats were 105 completions in 182 attempts (57.7%) for 2065 yards, with 13 TDs and 5 INTs. ~2000 yards is not a high bar to hurdle. The only reason that that hasn't happened already is that we rarely have a freshman starting QB. With this new offense, the first freshman starting QB was bound to break that record without breaking a sweat.

According to Wikipedia, JJ was fourth in single-season passing yards and fifth in single-season TDs. That's pretty good, but given our previous tendencies on offense, and a new offensive system, not surprising.

Don't get me wrong, I think he did really well, injuries notwithstanding. Any records, though, was more a function of being the QB in year 2 of the Fuente era (following an offensively-challenged Beamer era), than how spectacular his play was.

And that said, I'm really looking forward to this year, because I think he's going to improve a lot.

Edit: Adding stat lines similar to post below regarding three other VT freshmen QBs...

Michael Vick, 1999: 105 of 182 (57.7%), 2065 yds, 13 TDs 5 INTs, 171.1 rating (plus 131 rushes for 682 yds, 9 TDs)
Josh Jackson, 2017: 236 of 396 (59.6%), 2991 yds, 20 TDs, 9 INTs, 135.2 rating (plus 124 rushes for 324 yds, 6 TDs)

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

it could be a sample size of ZERO before JJ came in and if he set a record it's historic at VT. just how it works. Sample size has nothing to do with it.

You're argument is more that the context of those records is limited and shouldn't carry much weight. Sure, but comparing offensive systems nearly 2 decades apart is not contextual either. So what if Vick's offense was a run first system? If JJ broke the record it's history. He didn't decide the offense Vick played in, neither did the currect head coach. Look at WR's. We had great ones, we had good ones but we never had a 1000 yard record until just a few years ago. It was a product of the system but that doesn't detract from the record one bit. history was made.

Technically, passing yards by a freshman isn't a category in the VT record book.

Also, if sample size & record book have nothing to do with it, JJ also has the record for the worst passer rating for a freshman starting QB in VT history.

Technically, passing yards by a freshman isn't a category in the VT record book.

that's a good point.

but sample size has nothing to do with it. Records all start with the first one.

I agree with what you say here. My only quibble was in calling setting the record "historic".

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

My point, also, is that not all records are "historic". The use of the word historic implies some sort of greatness in the event, which I don't believe is really the case here, based on what I said in the post above. He played well, but not historically great, IM(ns)HO.

(Also, see VPI97's post below. I wouldn't call that record historic, either.)

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

or potentially so

what if we never have a freshman QB compile the stats and record that JJ did?

Chem PhD '16

Then I agree that it would be historic (as in he achieve heights as a freshman that nobody ever could match), but applying the label before the next season starts is a bit premature.

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

well it's not like JJ is gonna break his freshman records this year

Chem PhD '16

... partly because he's not a freshman anymore, and partly because it's a different team now.

that was my point

Chem PhD '16

I know.

Not arguing, clarifying.

sure but as I said you're still talking about context. The fact remains that if he set a record he made history at VT.

as per the definition in your post, any record would be historic if it were "significant, notable, important, momentous, consequential, memorable, newsworthy, remarkable" all synonyms to historic in the context given, in this case VT football. Your focused only on "unforgettable".

Fair point, but I guess in my mind, I'm thinking of the colloquial use of "historic" which definitely implies some sort of greatness. Everybody has different ideas of where that "greatness" threshold lies. I think you and I just place that line differently.

He had a really good year. I would even say it was a great year. Just not, IM(ns)HO, "great" in the historic context.

Can we just agree to disagree, at this point? I'll buy you a beer next (first) time we meet.

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

you buy the first round, I've got the rest.

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

What about the rest of us who sat by and didn't interfere with this argument? Do we not get beer too?

Arguing about the word 'historic' in the off season is likely not historic.

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

it could be a sample size of ZERO before JJ came in and if he set a record it's historic at VT. just how it works. Sample size has nothing to do with it.

Sure, if you want to get technical and ignore context, you're 'right,' but ignoring sample size makes it about as 'historic' as calling all of the gimmicky, one-off Guinness World Records that have never prior been attempted historic

I would make the argument that JJ's athletic accomplishments as a freshman QB are not comparable to longest distance walked barefoot on legos.

It's not being technical, it's being factual. There's a difference.

Looks like Freshman QB's were:
Steve Casey 1978
Mark Cox 1982
Will Furrer 1988

Just for completeness:

Steve Casey, 1978: 61 of 118 (57.1%), 678 yds, 2 TDs, 4 INTs, 98.8 rating (plus 87 rushes for 241 yds)
Mark Cox, 1832: 59 of 102 (57.8%), 673 yds, 5 TDs, 4 INTs, 121.6 rating (plus 59 rushes for 3 yds)
Will Furrer, 1988: 128 of 279 (45.9%), 1384 yds, 6 TDs, 16 INTs, 83.2 rating (plus 58 rushes for -87 yds)

Looks like JJ didn't have the worst VT freshman QB passer rating after all. ;^)

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

Will Furrer was abysmal his freshman year.

Seriously, where does this hate of JJ come from.

We didn't beat Clemson or Miami. We didn't win our division...The goal is to win the ACC, the dream is to win the natty. If we're not doing either, people are going to bitch about why. This isn't Charlottesville, participation trophies aren't good enough.

I disagree with your point but I understand the substance of it.

My bigger disagreement with your points is that this post isn't about the pros and cons of JJ. It's a post about some positive attention to one of our players. Can we focus on something positive instead of rehashing these critiques of JJ that don't contribute to the point of this particular topic? Or at least let some of us fans focus on positive news.

That's a lot of mediocre QBs in the ACC if you are going by that metric.

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I would think that if one of the other guys in the QB room last year would have had a better chance at winning the ACC single-handed, the coaches would have figured it out.

The success of certain freshman QBs in recent memory at places like Alabama and Texas A&M has skewed the perception of what your typical freshman QB should be capable of.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

A comparison to Blackmon or Francois at Florida State might be more appropriate.

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Because he had a great season, relatively speaking, for a first time starter / freshman @ QB. It's that simple.

Probably helps that he plays in an offense that lets QB's shine, but ultimately Jackson is on the watch list because the Maxwell Football Club thinks he demonstrated potential to be elite this season. College players are expected to get better from season to season, ya know.

The kid was about the 4th best QB in ACC Last year and all those teams are in Power 5 and he should improve this year with more explosive weapons

Neither of these kids are flashy or have crazy measurables fans media and even scouts are enamored with, but VT is hard pressed barring some really BIG breakout story to find more productive players on either side of the ball. That and the leadership qualities are going to be hard to find.

I'm taking the middle of the road approach in regards to Jackson. I think he had a solid year for a redshirt freshman and has a lot of potential. I also think he has a lot of areas he can improve on this year. I'll be looking closely at completion percentage, touchdown to interception ratio, and his accuracy on deep throws for signs of improvement.

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Good points. Also, his accuracy when he has to throw on the run.

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These preseason watch lists are basically pointless. I mean 41 qb's made the watch list, one of which was TaQuon Marshall for GT. I am pulling for JJ to show improvements this year because a lot of our success rides on how he plays.

1-0 every week

Yeah tbey are pretty inclusive lists. But if there are 40 qbs on list that means there are about 100 others that couldnt make said pointless list.

101, Alalbama has 2 QBs on the list. :P

The Maxwell Award is given to the nations top Tight End, correct?

Sooooo is QP on the list too or what?

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I'm very pleased w/ the preseason accolades he's been receiving. That's only going to be positive press for us. We'll have to see, but he certainly has the capacity to pleasantly surprise folks this season. I sure hope he will.

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I said this is another thread and I'll repeat it here: I'm more optimistic than most on TKP that JJ will take a step forward based solely on my faith in Fuente and Cornelsen. Paxton Lynch improved significantly in the three years he started for them; I think with the same treatment/tutelage JJ will do the same.

It also doesn't hurt that Fuente has put his flag in the ground and declared JJ the man to beat (by taking him to ACC media days). I think he'd be more coy about the situation if he didn't believe JJ was the unequivocal starter.

I think it's worth remembering that "preseason watch lists" aren't "hype" as much as they are media outlets contriving something to write about because it's the offseason and they have to. It's also worth noting that a "watch list" isn't exactly a "list of favorites" as much as it is casting as wide a net as possible to construct some sort of narrative going into the season and being able to maintain that as the season unfolds.

Chem PhD '16

Yep, and it's still better to be on the list than off it..

Thats true but do other teams downgrade their own guys that make these lists? That and its not like Vt. Has had huge representation on these lists recently

How did we turn this preseason recognition into a negative? Let's give our rSophomore QB a chance to show his growth other then just one Spring Game. Who knows what type of player he will be this year after working with his young WR core. Fuente has had a great good track record of developing QBs. I'm not ready to say that we do not have an above average QB based on a scrimmage. Fuente will put the best QB on the field and he isn't afraid of making a change when he sees someone who fits what he is trying to do better. Let's not make every preseason thread into this... come on man.

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I don't think anybody is calling his being on the watch list a negative. I think there are just disagreements regarding the magnitude of his accomplishments last year.

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

Why? I'm not trying to be a dick but unless there's massive improvement, I don't think he'll be better than a mediocre P5 starting quarterback this year.

Literally the third comment. I'd say that is negative.

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Seriously who cares? It's a message board an he's entitled to an opinion. Seems like the jury is still out on JJ and there is uncertainty as to how much hype he should garner. It doesn't seem like anyone is being inappropriately negative in this thread.

It doesn't seem like anyone is being inappropriately negative in this thread.

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

I think the point is that any negativity in the thread announcing that our players are on a list for an award seems inappropriate.

I mean, what kind of fans are we?

I was just replying to a response to my post that said there were no negative comments by pointing one out.

As far as my first comment, I stick by it. We have no idea how JJ will play this year. I think we should go into season supporting the young men that are putting everything into hopefully bringing its fan base a good season. I also thing he needs to be better, I just think he deserves a shot to prove he is.

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So if you're not on the watch list, does that mean no one is going to watch you at all this year? What if Meaty PotatoHead at Idaho State destroys it this year with 4000 yds passing, 1000 yds rushing, and 70 TDs.

Does Maxwell say, Sorry... we're just weren't watching.

Leonard. Duh.

I think the tough thing about JJ is he had start immediately following Jerod Evans, whose single year was historic and a very tough act to follow. Evans, with Sam, Ford, and Bucky, kind of skewed all of our expectations.

We will be in good hands with Evans, unless someone beats him out in pre-season camp, in which case we will be in even better hands. I wish all of our positions had the combination of depth/skill/experience/outlook that our current QB room has.

Slightly off topic, but member when Motley got a vote for preseason ACC POTY? Man, that still makes me giggle.

He got that because of surrounding cast. With tbe WR that year good chance of putting up good numbers

But it was a year he didnt even play lol. Thats What made it funny.

Jackson is the ultimate game manager, and I mean that (generally) as a compliment. He will keep his job on the basis that he is steady, poised, and all of the other game-manager cliches, and the Hokies offensive system is designed to rely on collective contribution.

Is Jackson our best option now? Yes. Does that mean we need to convince ourselves that he is a top-20 QB talent? No - and he isn't. Jackson's late season drop-offs against Miami, Georgia Tech, and Pitt are particularly concerning and that was a bummer because WVU was a great debut performance that produced some hope.

I'm not convinced you need a superstar QB in the Hokies system to win, so on that front it doesn't really change my perspective. It just makes me wonder what the upside would be with a Tyrod-level talent running the show.

"Dick to Hyman? DICK TO HYMAN!" - Guy in Lane Stadium crowd when Richard Johnson hit Josh Hyman on reverse pass in 2004.

Why can't JJ be Tyrod level of talent? It is easy to forget that Tyrod struggled quite a bit early on.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

It is easy to forget that Tyrod struggled quite a bit early on.

You are mistaken sir, Tyrod's VT career started in Lincoln. /s

Here is hoping that JJ has his Lincoln sooner than later.

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#extendbronco

By the way Ricky made a list too. Lol

The question of "why can't JJ be like Tyrod?" is like saying why can't a Toyota Camry be like a Lamborghini.

"Dick to Hyman? DICK TO HYMAN!" - Guy in Lane Stadium crowd when Richard Johnson hit Josh Hyman on reverse pass in 2004.

If Tyrod is a Lamorghini then MV7 is the SR-71 Blackbird.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

If Tyrod is a Lamorghini then MV7 is the SR-71 Blackbird

no that would make MV7 a Bagetti

I was going for an outrageous comparison, but yes that would be appropriate.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Chill man I was adding to the joke. I'm not a JJ detractor.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Well the Lamborghini is on his way to Charlotte

Thanks for getting my hopes up that Tyrod was getting traded to the Panthers. Tempted to take one of your turkey legs away for your mistake since it made me sad. I don't like being sad.

yeah I know, I was just going off the misspelling of lamorghini . just a little fun

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The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Was not for you in particular. It was just a joke too. Sort of lol

Yup, must've been some TSL defectors that came over here. I haven't seen this much hate for one of our players, good or bad, since I joined in 2012.

He's not TT, never will be.
He's not Jerod, never will be.
He's not any past Hokie QB to compare against, never will be.
He's JJ...and there are people who feed their family based on decisions of who are the best players to put on the field at that time. Guess what?! They're light years better than us to make that decision. Love the one you're with, another QB will come along later that you can bash because he's not JJ.

"War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner.”~~Judge Holden

I haven't seen this much hate for one of our players, good or bad, since I joined in 2012.

Criticism of shortcomings is not synonymous or eqivalent to feelings stemming from hate (particularly on here). I read criticism of his shortcomings, but not any outright hate. And you're assessment is incorrect. Marcus Vick is the most criticised & hated player on here (& justly so).

Love the one you're with, another QB will come along later that you can bash because he's not JJ.

I agree with the first part of that, however the only way the last part will be applicable is if the QBs that follow JJ perform worse than him.

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That's not true. JJ has performed better than past qbs and still criticised or doubted.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

I'm sorry, but you're going to need to be more specific with what you meant in your resonse to my comment please.

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Nothing negative to you specifically, but you stated future qbs will only be criticised if they perform worse than JJ. However, JJ has performed better than past qbs and is being criticised, fairly or not. I guess my point is that any qb that isn't currently performing to senior level TT level will be doubted and/or criticised by some.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

Ok. Thanks for being specific with what you meant (btw, I know you didn't mean anything personal, you cool). The main point I was making was that criticism & doubt are not synonymous with hate. While JJ may have set freshman QB record(s) with his game mgt, his season wasn't without his shortcomings. Also, the main (bottom line) fans are focused on, are Ws & Ls. In order to do better with Ws, we will need to see improvement from him (as well as the team overall). More Ws will automatically equate to a reduction in criticism from folks. It's the nature of the game (of sports).
The only way I can think of where he would be (somewhat) above reproach for lacking in Ws dept is if he puts in a top 10 QB stats performance. I believe he has the capability to do it. At any rate, we'll see.

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I haven't seen this much hate for one of our players

I haven't seen any hate for JJ.

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This needs to go plaid.

How have you avoided it? I need to know for the sake of my mental health.

There are zero people on TKP who hate Josh Jackson. I don't know how you can dispute that.

Like I said, I need whatever blocker you have. Every JJ thread I have ever read on this site is littered with people dismissing context and stats in order to diminish what he did last year.

The worst I've seen is that people say he's an average quarterback and that's his ceiling. Plenty of Hokie QB's have had worse said about them at times....Glennon, Noel, Randall, Thomas. If you think some criticism is hate, you really need thicker skin. I'm sure JJ would let it slide right off his back.

he was virtually useless and at best, would only throw the ball out of bounds

From the downfield thread.

Again, whatever you're doing to avoid stuff like that, you let me know.

Also, since you're probably going to continue to play the semantics game, of fucking course no one here really hates JJ. Hate is this context is obviously different.......... If I were better at posting gifs, I'd repost FudBoster's above.

In my opinion there is a solution to the "JJ Conundrum". Mind all, it will be challenging, but I believe everyone is capable. Here goes: everyone on the side of the fence that's been mostly critical of JJ & his shortcomings put up a post naming nothing but 3 positive attributes (you can do more if you'd like) of his game WITHOUT posting something critical or negative.
Likewise on the other side of the fence, for those that feel JJ is above reproach or criticism, post 3 flaws (feel free to name more) about his game WITHOUT posting something positive. Also, I believe this can b accomplished without burying him or overdoing it.
Here's the catch: do it without attacking the persons on the other side of the fence or their opinions, etc.

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As DCwilson would say LOLOLOLOLOLOL! Good luck with that... I say let's all just remember that family and players read this and to treat Hokie players as how you would want yourself and your family to be treated. It's okay to be critical, but let's not be dickheads about it.

Edit: meant to reply to macgruber.

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It's okay to be critical, but let's not be dickheads wahoos about it.

FTFY, and that's basically the premise of my whole post. I figured it was worth a shot. At the very I hope folks that chose to read it would think about it (not the post, but perspectives & whathaveyou).

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I'm game for this.

  • He could be more explosive in his running. I am not talking about later in the season as I know he was injured. He had a few nice scrambles in the WVU game but I think he could still get a little faster in his first few steps. Those couple of steps equate to a couple of yards.
  • He could improve his accuracy on his long passes (and yes he has long passes). If he can catch his receivers in stride more often we'll see larger gains.
  • He could be more decisive in the passing game in general.

Not sure what side you are on after this comment, but it does prove my my point. I'll await your positive comment.

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I like JJ and think he is going to do well this year.

To my knowledge selhini has been on the side of the fence that has said nothing but positive things as well as defending him in his posts. Also, waiting for you to say what he needs to work on.

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Well said. I'm a borderline fanboy.

I'm surprised more people did not participate in this exercise. I think it promotes critical thinking and would be valuable in terms of helping people evaluate their own opinions.

Mac, I'm a bit envious I didn't think of this myself!

Well, at the very least it was to challenge people to think. You know, the whole "walk a mile in another's shoes" thing.

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See reply to mcgruber. My bad.

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