August 2018 - Recruiting thread

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I'm in Australia, don't @ me

Where you @ in Australia?

Old sigline: I've been cutting back on the drinking.

New Sigline: lol it's football season.

A small town call Sitekeepscrashing, in the province of Limiteddata

Reminds me of Dahlgren during drive times.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

@HokieBen2010

Bud/Wiles 2020

Dick

does it even notify you if you are @ed?

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

Yes it does.

It's a secret code Joe put in during the last beefy migration...

Shhhhhhhh...don't tell nobody

Let's Go

HOKIES

don't worry im the gatekeeper to the *private* secret. I won't tell.

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

Sounds like you work for the government! Good Secret Keeper :-)

Running list of guys we turned away:
Jordon Houston
Tank Land
Riley Simonds
Kyle Bilodeau
Anthony Harris
Ben Smiley
Hakeem Beamon
D'von Ellis

Please let me know if I am missing anyone.

Are any of these guys takes now w/ Cam Goode running out of town?

"Running" out of town ... nice. 🙂

Hokie fan | W&M grad

We shouldn't have ever turned down a guy like Ben Smiley. The kid is an OX

Pour some Beer on it

Deez isn't on your list...

Is... is this setting up for a joke?

Using /s is for cowards.

Deez isn't on your list...

NUTZ...are we missing someone?

Let's Go

HOKIES

Kevin.

Outspoken team cake advocate. Hates terrapins. Resident Macho Man Gif Poster. Distant cousin to Dork Magic. Frequently misspells words.

Will Ligma tried to commit

Recruit Prosim

Are you sure you aren't thinking of Will Bofa?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Tried? Please explain, since it sounds like I missed something that went on.

LIGMA NUTS LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL GOTTTTTEEEEEEEEEMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Bah gawd

That man has a family!

Shit or get off the fucking pot!!!!

Motherfucker! Go home then! I don't need you, you need me!

You want to coach D1 and you can't keep an eye on ONE FUCKING KID!

this new Last Chance U season is a gold mine of quotes.

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Maybe the wrong thread for these?

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

are you sure you're in the right thread?

I am laughing hysterically at this GIF. Also crying because of the movie. This movie made me cry.

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I feel like a terrible person because neither Coco or Toy Story 3 made me cry.

It was a catch!

If I made a funny comment I probably stole it from Reddit.

you must be a ginger

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You think you're hard boooy, you couldn't bust a grape in a food fight homeboy.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Today we offered JUCO DE Kuony Deng
He's a VA kid too.

Fugazy

Lol from LCU

Is he on this season?

Fugazy

Justin Hamilton might help with this one (former VMI football and basketball player)

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Late to the party here was this someone we turned down for Goode?

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

No, Goode vacating a scholarship opens one for 2019.

It's Time to go to Work

No, Goode was in the 2018 recruiting class, Ellies is 2019

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Kentucky? For Football?

247 has him a heaving VT lean

hopefully he finds committing a little easier to stomach than leaning

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

More than a lean.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I'm impressed by Dr. Ian Malcolm's ability to regurgitate that phrase, and suck it back in again.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Damnit, I never noticed the lip lick at the end. I no longer like this gif.

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Dude!!

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Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

I hope I'm wrong, but at first glance, this placement had me thinking he was hinting at his decision:

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No, what we could really use is tOSU to Fire Urban and hire James Franklin. Even if that happened we are so tight on scholarships that we might be able to get 1 guy

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So I can't right now (kids), but I've seen several players especially RB's that I thought had moved on tweeting their scholarship offficial letter offer today from Tech.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Maybe they were already printed and Fuente didn't want to waste the paper?

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

We just offered Darwin Barlow a RB out of Texas and Tahj Gary set up an official visit so it looks like coaches are trying to get a second RB.

Yeah I'd assume Goode's spot is going to be given to to a DT or RB.

Fugazy

How about a combo DT/RB?

Maybe a Wes Ours type.

Where's that 300lb RB from YouTube when you need him?

Fugazy

Does Jared Lorenzen have a kid we could offer?

Javorskie "The Lane Train" Lane?

Tim Settle has gone off to the NFL unfortunately

I really like Tahj Gary. I know numbers are really tight, but that isn't my problem to solve, I really hope we land him.

I really hope we can land him too.

He tweeted this on August 18:

Let's Go

HOKIES

This made me sea sick

Urban myer going down. Paid leave.

Anyone we can get?

#1 WR from 2020, he's visited VT.

Was it not already 100% open?

Bait for more offers

Shouldn't we have more open spots now for the 2019 recruiting class with Kelly de-committing and then Hopple, Alexander, Mook, and Goode being gone? Unless they plan to offer a walk on that's 5 more spots for the recruiting class, maybe 6 if Sainristil de-committs. I know the numbers always work out, maybe they want to take a big class next year and not use 5 or 6 extra spots on this class. Other than Willis idk who would get put on scholarship that is already there. Maybe someone up here knows?

FIRST DOWN, HOKIES!

Don't remember the exact numbers but we already needed about 5-6 in attrition just to get this class up to 16. What I've read on 247 is that Goode was unexpected so that might be an extra spot. But the others you listed were already accounted for, and I think we need a few more just to sign this class.

OUCH! Didn't know we were that tight on numbers.

FIRST DOWN, HOKIES!

The numbers always work

Am I doing this right?

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Any senior leaving doesn't affect the scholarship numbers since their scholarships would already be open in 2019.

@Fightin_Gobbler

Go Hokies

Go Falcons

Willis don't need no scholarship! He can pay his own way. He got fuck you money.

So after looking at tOSU roster I don't recall us being a finalist for any of their DTs, though they did still JJB from us. They also only have 2 kids from VA, LBs Pope and Mitchell

Well we do have an offer for Tre Williams a 2020 DT who has all his crystal balls for OSU.

Tre Williams

Only other thing is he's at St John's College in DC. Soooo idk.

Fugazy

He's also Nigel Williams' cousin.

If in a couple years this guy is on the roster, with the Cam/SJC, Nigel and OSU aspects. It'd be a great story.

Fugazy

🦃🦃 bitches

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🦃🦃 chumps*

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

some not so good news coming out of the Camron Kelly camp. reported by 10 on your side wavy.com

"as time went on I lost that contact and that relationship with my position coach up there".

tech is still very in the mix

"I may have rushed into a decision but now I am open to everybody"

Kelly would say

story here discussing his decommit

what the heck support staff!!!!!!!

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

I'm not sure I buy this...especially considering people were saying when he committed that it wouldn't stick...this sounds like an excuse...but it's cool that we're still in the mix..

Clemson's bagman stepped up.

How many days between his commitment and his decommutment? How much of that was in dead period?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I did a little more research and I believe his primary recruiter was Scott so that might make a little more sense. but still not a good look. whether its true or not again its one of those things. were just getting so much bad pub right now I hope that we can turn it around (at least the perception of the bad pub)

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

Who was contacting him during the dead period? Auburn?

lol

Scott was fired BEFORE he committed wasn't he? Or too much to drink?

He committed 2wks before the dead period and de-committed 3 days before the end of the dead period. So the relationship soured because of not enough contact over 16 days...🤐

hey I was just sharing what he said

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

I don't buy that at all.

He wasn't ready to commit yet. Would like to see him re-commit to VT, but I wouldn't believe him until he hits the field with your colors.

All Kelly's are the same

Bullshit

Best tweet @ him, let him know he's still welcome and we'd love to have him. #tweet@croots

No that's not how you tweet @recruits. It's a simple 3 step process.
1. Belittle him for decommitting (this shows that we want him).
2. Trash any and every other school (let's face it they are trash, and we have the recruits best interest at heart)
3. And this one is most important, tell him he's probably not good enough to play anyways ( this is fire up his inner drive to prove us wrong)

It's Time to go to Work

This seriously does read like something that Dennis would say. I love it.

Lmao

This is one of my all time favorite posts on this site

ME Class of '16
Facts don't care about your feelings

Always
Be
Closing

Great video.

Just a random post here. I live in Arkansas and get the deluge of SEC chatter daily.....from what I see here, if a staff wants to recruit they need to emulate Chad Morris here. Dude is killing it! New regime and recruiting off a dumpster fire and he is reeling them in left and right. 8 commits in the last 12 days and all he has to sell them is "what might be"......

In addition to being a great, innovative offensive coach, he has long been known as a great recruiter. He helped create "WRU" at Clemson and was Deshaun's primary recruiter and the main reason they landed him. Not surprised by his start at Arkansas.

Tech's secret weapon is Hilgart. That guy kills it. We have guys going in the first round again. Guys losing 10% body fat in a year. Incredible results across the board. I think it's like Gentry when Gentry was young.

Honestly, that's standard across most programs. We only know what goes on here though since it would be silly to keep up with S&C coaches around the country. Every team has players losing 10% body fat considering it isn't uncommon for them come into camp out of shape.

Gentry's one of the best to ever do it. Let's not act like he was one of our issues. Social media just makes it easier to show those results these days. Trust me the same stuff was happening under Iron Mike.

Bud/Wiles 2020

It definitely slowed down in his later years, but Hilgart does remind a lot of a young Gentry. Their approaches are very different, but the regulars were pretty similar.

I will say that my buddy told me that this is the most physically imposing team he's seen in his 5-6 years working in the program.

Agree to disagree. I think that was more who they were dealing with on the roster than Gentry's methods. Would definitely be interesting to look at the numbers instead of just before and after pictures. I haven't looked to see if max results have been substantially different under Hilgart.

Bud/Wiles 2020

Players under Beamer and Gentry who then came under Fuente and Hillgart have said the workouts are harder and they do a lot more running and stamina workouts.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I work with the father of a former player who played under Beamer/Gentry and Fuente/Hilgart. He always said the workouts, lifting and conditioning, are much more intense under Hilgart. Gentry knew his stuff, but Hilgart knows it too and pushes these guys harder. He doesn't push them in an unsafe manner but he works them harder.

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My dad has diabetes

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It's a hard knock life.

I was a long snapper in high school.

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Anagram of long snapper is long nappers.
Jk, im sure you did fine 4 ur team.

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Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

psst, he wasn't a long snapper. It's a thing around here

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He's quickly endeared the fan base at Arkansas as well with his upbeat attitude, and especially his lingo. One of his favorite phrases talking mainly about his offense is "getting in the left lane and putting the hammer down". That kind of talk will pique a kids interest.

I would just like to take a moment to thank you for your correct use of pique.

Irritates me to no end to see people write peek or peak.

You have made me happy.

I feel the same about 110% effort, honestly. There is no such thing; it's not possible. It is like fingers to a chalkboard, for me.

Hokie fan | W&M grad

The correct spelling usage 110% peaked my interest

Leg for your username.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

That's a lotta leg.

I feel the same way about honestly.

Are you not usually honest?

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I get your point, but disagree. This is just a way of saying you're going to outwork someone else. The problem is you are taking it literally when it is clearly metaphorical.

I am well aware they're being figurative. :) That's why I don't usually say anything, but for better or for worse, there is a little voice in the back of my head saying 'please don't say that, it makes you sound stupid. It's incorrect 100% of the time. I know what you mean, but why not just say you're going to give 100%, or you're going to give it everything you've got.' Anyhow, that's just me.

Hokie fan | W&M grad

It's incorrect 100% of the time.

well, that's not 100% accurate. Growth, which is a measurement of effort, can exceed 100%. My company, for example, can increase profits larger than 100%. Likewise, an athlete could improve some measure of effort beyond 100% over time. Number of catches this year from last year, from example.

I'll stick with my original assertion, which is that no one can give more than 100% effort, ever.

Also, I'd argue your point about growth and effort is wrong (and a dangerous suggestion to make, and not one I would make in my business). Sure, growth can always increase above 100%, which is why I said 'effort.' Effort does not equal growth. You've attempted to create a formula (e.g. Growth = Effort x Something_Else) and suggested that b/c you can get Growth over 100, that Effort can therefore be greater than 100. That's bad logic.

Hokie fan | W&M grad

I'm just gonna say, if you want to standardize effort, objective standards need to be applied. Certainly that means that one players 100% in their mind does not = 100% in another players mind. Ive seen this in work and I'm sure it applies to football as well. I can see based on this objective standard where some kids would be 80% and others would be 120%.

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no worries. just a fun debate.

effort doesn't always equate to growth, but growth requires effort. And growth can be measured beyond 100% which makes it not impossible. I'm not suggesting a standardized formula though because that's where we differ. I appreciate the exaggeration of giving 110% to mean trying to outwork others, where you are tying to literally compute it to make sense mathematically. Which is right? Both, is probably the right answer

You could also give 110% of your previous maximum amount of effort.

Which would still be only 100% of what you are giving and implies that you weren't giving 100% previously.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Not true. Your capacity to exert effort could increase, for example through exercise. Did 100 hill climbs yesterday and couldn't do more. Today you do 110. Clearly the 110 requires more effort than the 100.

Or you could give what you think is the maximum amount of effort, and have a coach or trainer push you to do more. In either case the second amount of effort exceeds your previous 100% effort. It's not too much of a stretch to say you are giving 110%.

Clearly the 110 requires more effort than the 100.

Clearly it required more WORK, as more energy was expelled. If you were in fact in better condition, due to previous work, it may have been easier, and require less effort. If you are defining 100% of effort as the amount of effort that can be exerted until the body stops functioning, than if you do not collapse you did not give 100%.
People usually stop before they collapse, so did not actually reach 100% effort, but felt as thought they were, so called it 100%. If you define 100% effort as the most you can mentally make you body do at a given time, you are giving 100% every time you do anything, as you are doing all the mind wants the body to. The expression 110% refers to moving this limit, thus enabling you to do more work because you have raised the amount of effort you are wiling to provide closer o your physical limit, which cannot exceed 100%. You still actually gave 100% of the effort you were willing to give, and less than 100% of which you could have physically given, but you did more work than if you settle for 100% of the effort you would have previously given without the extra motivation. Thus the saying, and the argument over whether it is possible. You cannot give more than 100%, but by trying to you can do more work by acting on 100% of a large motivation instead of 100% of a smaller one, which could called 110% percent, thought literally it is not more than the whole, it is just more than the whole used to be, such as in the company growth above. If you owned 100% of a company before, and it doubles in value, you still own 100% of the company, but its still worth 100% more compared to the previous value. You do not now own 200% of the company, but in a comparative analyses the value is 200% of where it was. Percent over time is defined differently than total percent, as it changes over time, and percent change can be negative, or greater than one, as it is "Percent Change", not just "Percent", which defined as portion of all that is available. If you don't like percent being more than 100 or less than one, what are you saying is you don't like it when someone says "percent" when they mean "percent of change over time" P(f)=p now always, but not when then is not now.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

I agree.

I don't buy it. You may increase your production, for sure, but if you gave 100% to do 100 climbs yesterday and then did 110 today, you still only gave 100% of what you were capable of today. Why is it so hard to fathom that 100% is all there is? Production is not the issue, effort is, and while the production can be measured quantitatively, effort really cannot.
Isn't this silly?

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

it would be 100% in relation to effort given today.

it is also 110% in relation to the previous maximum effort.

Both are true.

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No, no, no. To quantify today judging by what was quantified yesterday, still boils down to the same same. Relationship isn't the point. Maximum effort at any given point is the point. And, while I might argue that even 100% effort is probably unattainable under most circumstances, if it were achieved, the other 10% is imaginary and just a figure of speech.
Both are not true. If I owned 100% of all the pies in the world, you wouldn't eat pie unless I liked you.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

See? It's as easy as pie.

if you increased your production of pie by 10% today , you would have 110% production of pie compared to yesterday (same analogy to maximum effort). And yes, you would still have 100% of pies.

both are true, and will always be true.

🦃 🦃 🦃

Ummmm.....nope. We're not talking production increases and relativity or comparisons. If you can't see it, I can't make you.

I promise, though, that no matter how many more folks chime in, I'm done on this thread. So, my final word is nope.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

I would say nobody reaches 100% effort unless the fall over from exertion.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

I loooove the collapse thread button.

I love it with 110% of my being

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I love it with 110% of my beings

FIFY. If you have more than 1 it should be plural.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Thanks, we stand corrected.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Anyone know much about our recruiting of OG Antoine Whitner out of Mills Godwin HS in Richmond? Kid has a huge frame at 6'5 295, would be nice for the class.

Pour some Beer on it

I think he's the kid who transferred to IMG academy and couldn't make their travel squad (which isn't crazy considering they are stacked). All that to say I don't think we pushed that hard for him, it's been a while since I heard his name on any of the recruiting sites.

Something something small class this cycle

Did we ever look at Tony Davis? 4 star DB that decommitted from Duke.

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#extendbronco

We looked, he didn't look at us.

He is a Tar Heel unfortunately

It is amazing to me that a terrible defense can get highly rated guys.

Immediate playing time pitch should be easy to sell.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Tell that to our DT situation.......

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

you're just saying that because the pitch for early playing time apparently drowned out the whole "get here, work hard, earn your time on the field"

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Does this count as tweeting @ recruits?

Fugazy

What the hell is Fedora selling?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Secret weapon: Tommy Thigpen

Thigpen was named one of the nation's top 25 recruiters in 2007 and 2009 by Rivals.com and in 2011 by 247Sports.com, ESPN and Rivals.com. In 2014, he was named Rivals.com National Recruiter of the Year for his work on the University of Tennessee class of 2014.

Wikipedia

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#extendbronco

Sadly, the NCAA will never look into this.

Even more amazing than offering/taking the bag is feeling the need to brag about it on social media.

Fake reporter account FYI. Real Brett Mcmurphy handle is @Brett_McMurphy.

Fake account, fake report, entirely believable story. Gotta love the SEC.

According to the twitter post it's actually a fake post, Murphy's twitter was hacked and someone posted this. The kid never tweeted it. Idk just relaying the info I saw online.

Fugazy

Lol and yall think we get bad sometimes, SEC fans are on another level

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

Tank Land has been liking a lot of Hokie tweets, is he becoming a take?

He's always been a take, we just wont accept him.

We could always use another Ocean Lakes kid to keep the pipeline open. Im curious to why we won't accept him, is it his small size 5'8 at CB? I wasn't sure if VT was trying to have bigger CBs

Pour some Beer on it

Land stopped developing physically a year or two ago and VT definitely wants bigger corners. 5'8", 166, and a 4.85 40 probably tells the story. I don't think VT has had a CB that small since Larry Austin.

Not sure it's worth taking players just to keep open a "pipeline" especially since he's bounced around and we got Jaevon Becton just last year. That's how you get in Mike London territory.

Wasn't Anthony Midget like 5'9? I dont think Billy hardee was that tall either?

I think Midget was a little taller than that, but both of those guys were before the Larry Austin/Ronyell Whitaker era. The philosophy has changed to wanting bigger corners unless the guy is a truly exceptional talent- it has across football to some degree.

As a side note, I hadn't realized that Midget was now the DB coach for the Texans. That makes two former Hokies in that role in the NFL.

Brandon Flowers was 5'9, not trying to say Tank compares to him be he was our most recent short DB

1-0 every week

He's also got a very, very strong argument that he was our best corner ever.

Very very good yes, but best? We need another thread for that. We have had some down right insane DB talent walk through that tunnel.

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1. D Hall
2. Ke Fuller
3. Flowers
4. J. Williams
5. Ky Fuller

Top 5 from memory only without looking at stats. Agree would be a good separate thread.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

Hosely should be up there.

Recruit Prosim

I thought we were going to start another thread for this. /s

My money would be on this guy for best ever, but I agree from an expectations to reality standpoint. Flowers having the career at VT and in the NFL that he did starting as an undersized 3* recruit is impressive. I just think by the time Kendall's done in the NFL, he'll cement himself as our best ever (but also had those expectations coming in).

I don't follow the NFL enough to know how Kendall is doing. Not even sure what team he's on.

But if we're going by their VT careers, in my mind, Flowers was way ahead of Kendall. Jimmy Williams is the only CB at VT that I can say could challenge Brandon Flowers.

I understand where you're coming from, but in my mind I give Fuller some credit for doing what he did at VT as a true Freshman and Sophomore. I think if he had another uninjured year like Flowers did, he could have put up a similar season. We'll never know. But to your first comment, Kendall's doing quite well in the league. The only evidence you need of that is that Dan Snyder's dumb ass traded him for it.

Kendall was awesome, but he wasn't even close to the best corner we've ever had.

There was a full year when he wasn't the best CB on his own team.

I am glad Kendal made this play so we have this GIF forever, but no way the WR gets a foot in bounds even if he makes this catch and landing flat on his back had to hurt.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Not a support for Land per as, but I would also say that a couple of our other great DBs weren't much taller than him either. DHall and Roc Carmichael are barely 5'10 as well. I think Jayron Hosely was also around that height as well.

I would also assume for him to be as well ranked as he is he's probably faster on the field than on the track and moves his hips and turns fairly well.

I'm sure whether or not Bud says it we're actively going after bigger corners. Outside of Khalil Ladler we haven't recruited a true corner back that's in that 5'10ish range in a while, most are all atleast 6' nowadays.

Fugazy

Tech always listed him as 5'10" but that's fair, I suppose. Although, Flowers prepped so he had a little more seasoning to his sauce.

I think it's fair to say there's a reason people were so high on him and also a reason that power 5/VT's interest in him seemed to have waned. I can only say what I've heard as to the reasons why.

I doubt Billy Hardee would get a VT offer these days.

Isn't that exactly what "take" means?

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I'm mean, that's my take on the situation.

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

This Is PSUs second player that has had to stop playing football because of a heart condition.

I realize this stems largely out of a dislike for Penn State but it greatly bothers me to read Nana and now Miner praise James Franklin for "honoring the scholarship" knowing that the players will receive medical hardship waivers that don't count against the football scholarship limit. It strikes me as turning bare minimum human decency into a marketing tool and milking it for all it's possibly worth.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I know we have honored scholarships in the past for medical reasons but 2 players with heart conditions at the same school within a couple months seems almost too unlucky

Well, looks like I'm going to some Atlee games this Fall

By the time this kid is a senior at Tech, there will have been two more summer olympics, one winter olympics, and two Quincy national championship campaigns

I like the way you think.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Let's hope the curse of the highly touted Richmond area player doesn't continue with this kid!

Fugazy

He is not ranked currently so we are in the clear at this point.

PS: As a Lee-Davis graduate, I hate Atlee HS

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Supposedly FSU was looking at him as a TE so...

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

So I shouldn't leave a flaming bag of poop on his doorstep just yet?

I think he was still committed to VT when this was tweeted.

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#extendbronco

Yesterday?

So, was this a......silent commitment?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I'm 110% sure of it. 😉

Hokie fan | W&M grad

ESPN bumped Mike Sainristil to a 4*

Welp.......there he goes!

I hope he stays at DBU. TBH I never much cared for Espn recruiting rankings vs. Rivals/247.

Pour some Beer on it

I'm actually a bigger fan of ESPN's rankings. I feel like the guys they've historically rated as 4* have been hits for VT. Might just be anecdotal though.

@Fightin_Gobbler

Go Hokies

Go Falcons

Espn rates wayyy more players as 4 stars than rivals or 247.

Thank god. Otherwise we would have no chance to compete this year or any year previously.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

So I have to ask...is anyone dissapointed that recruiting seems to have dropped when we were hearing previously this year was going to be the big one? I realize the national rating was supposed to drop due to class size restrictions and it appeared the average recruit rating was on the rise earlier this offseason, but now with quickly fleeting available slots the 19 class sits lower than 18 in both categories and is likely to tumble further as other schools add more to their classes. Was the 2018 class the peak?

Next year's class is always the big one, until it becomes this year's class and falls apart, at which point the next year's class is the big one again.

At this point it appears last years class was the big one. With a potential step back year this year it seems unlikely next years recruiting would see a major upswing either. We may have to break the cycle and say two years from now is the big year?

Two years from now is our lock for conference championship and/or run at a natty. Don't you know how this works?

"It's always great to beat UVA, that makes us all smarter and better looking for a couple days".

In time, we'll start hearing from insiders that 2019 was never going to be a big year but 2020 will be a big year, and that we've always been at war with Eurasia.

War is peace.

Recruiting has dropped?
Per ESPN 6 of 16 are 4 star and Hanson and Bowick will likely be elevated to 4 star. Dorlus and Pollard are borderline 4* as well so 8-10 of current 16 could be 4 star.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/school/_/id/259/c...

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

I am along your lines of thinking. Some of our guys will get bumps this year. Missing on Ford hurt this class. If we can perform on the field more, get 9 or 10 wins still, the recruiting will come. Fuente is making relationships with some young guys that will pay off IMO

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Yes, according to the 247 composite it has. But I have a feeling you already knew what I was referring to.

Edit: I thought the average was lower this year than last according to ESPN as well but was wrong. Although if you discount the long snapper they are about the same(I get 78.5 vs 78.3).

ESPN is pretty loose with giving out 4 stars. It'll always look like we're doing better with them

If we could get Kelly back in the boat, our class average would be slightly better than last year's. I am not looking at class rankings because of the small class size. Going into this cycle, my hopes were that the class average would increase, and that we would get one stud on each side of the ball. Our average won't increase as much as I had hoped (if at all), and I'm not sure we got any studs (at least according to their rankings, I think some guys could turn into studs) so I am a little disappointed in this year. With that being said, I think we are building pretty incredible depth, which is something that we haven't had in a while. I don't see much filler in the last two classes. In previous classes we always had a fair amount of guys in the .83 or below range, but the bottom of the last two classes is a lot stronger than it has been, ie. better depth. In summary, I don't know that we have ever had back to back classes this strong from top to bottom, so I'm excited for that.

Good class but it doesn't have the star power that I was hoping for. I do feel like everyone in the 19 class will be a constirbutor on some level, which I rarely feel.

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I do feel like everyone in the 19 class will be a constirbutor on some level, which I rarely feel.

I appreciate the information and optimism but history tells us there is a 0% chance that this will be the case.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

With you. But in every class in recent memory, I've been able to take 3-4 guys that I knew would never be major contributors and I was generally right. This is not the case this year.

Where do you see Jahad Carter fitting in? Not doubting he will its just that I know nothing about him.

Now that's an impressive run right there!

1) lets play develop
2) cuts to left and explodes past the line
3) decides how to make first defender miss
4) decides how to make second defender miss
5) makes first defender sit on ground for the rest of the play
6) lets second defender stop and do some stretches so he's ready to play on special teams

And changes angle toward the end of the run so the only person who COULD catch him loses the angle to do so. Brilliant!

Who is this guy?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

RB commit Keshawn King in a game from last weekend (I assume).

It's showing up weird on my iPad can only see the video the rest is symbols and Random letters.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Sorry, First embed attempt here!

All good man it took me years.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

I still don't know how to embed here, and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.

It's easiest on a desktop, or using the desktop site on mobile. Every tweet should have a down arrow that releases a drop-down menu, one option of which is 'embed tweet'. Just copy that code and paste it directly into the comment box.

from his HUDL:

HEIGHT
6' 1"

WEIGHT
185 lbs

40 YARD DASH
4.47

BENCH
275

SQUAT (LBS)
450

DEADLIFT (LBS)
405

CLEAN (LBS)
275

EDIT: I'm very curious to what HilGAINS can do for Keshawn.

Let's Go

HOKIES

It's pretty rare that someone can squat more than they can deadlift...

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You can test it out on someones avatar on this page to see what i mean.

only see the video the rest is symbols and Random letters.

You just described 75% of all twitter posts

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I'm so confused as to why this kid is only a 3*

Instincts to make people miss.

Seems like an important characteristic.

I heard Devyn Ford was always a backup plan for Keshawn King... Not sure Ford's offer would even be commitable if King had committed earlier.

That is not true. We would take him now if he was willing. We still may take another runningback anyway.

Recruit Prosim

I forgot the /s....

Using /s is for cowards.

This is a great edit to an amazing gif by itself.

What's the original look like?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

TBH, I like SCHokie2011's better. ;^)

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Cam'Ron Kelly has some big news for tomorrow, hope he stays with the good guys.

I hope he decides to come back, but the lack of chatter and hints from our recruiting guys is keeping my expectations in check.

Dude is gonna play hot potato until signing day. I would lean Auburn but hell if I know, the dude could forgo college and declare to play in Europe....

via GIPHY

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

110% speculation, but when Dean Ferguson committed I closed the book on any chance that Cam'Ron Kelly would be a Hokie.

He will probably have "big news" several more times before signing day.

I'm just waiting for Auburn to tell him the night of that his offer isn't commitable after all, then he recommits to us because he's already scheduled a press conference...

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not sure if any of you guys remember my post about my QB here in Jacksonville fl at university Christian class of 21 but coach wiles has been in contact with him and his dad on a regular basis. LA if you made this possible I greatly appreciate it! hoping to get coach wiles down soon on campus when he can and ill be taking the kid up to VT for an unofficial this season to show him what hokie nation is all about. Right now all our starting WRs are Seniors my sons a fresh. dresses for varsity but doesn't get any burn. (its only one game in so maybe that changes as the season goes, the weights are starting to do him some wonders too but not quite on the hilgart program yet) im hoping in the next 2 years my son can fill that roll that our SRs leave open and be the main target. were talking package deal here! haha. more likily to be a walk on but hey isn't VT known for those. anyways long story short its pretty exciting to have my team recruiting my QB!

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

That's awesome. Any coaches from any other school coming to see him yet?

yeah hes had a few. NCST, charlotte, USC gamecocks, USF, UCF, UF, Valdosta st. Id consider him a USC heavy lean right now but hes got a LONG way to go. hes been around that program for a couple years. But im hoping I can work him to go to the good guys over the next 3 years. Hes young. hes got great arm strength and size. passes the eye test. he can run ok but is a pocket QB. Right now hes only started 1 career game. his stats weren't great. we played metrolina Christian last Friday in charlotte. he was 10-22 for 230 1 TD and no ints.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

Your team travels that far to play?

we usually set something up for the first game of the season out of town before we get into our actual schedule. last season we played in Tennessee, couple years ago a power house from Kentucky that was on ESPN. (we got whooped in that one lol) its a great experience for the kids and nice to get some out of state competition that doesn't really hurt us in standings or points towards making the playoffs.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

I see. That does seem like a good experience for the kids. When you schedule these, do you try to play them in bigger stadiums? When I see HS FB on ESPN, they are always playing in big stadiums. To me, that would be cool as a high schooler.

yeah we try to play bigger schools. metrolina the team in charlotte we playedthisyear won state in their division recently. Their stadium wasn't big at all. I was actually kind of disappointed in the stadium to be honest, but our head coach played college ball with their head coach so this was kind of a friendly deal worked out for both schools. the one in Kentucky was a pretty big stadium for a high school, nothing like what they have going on in texas but pretty nice still. our stadium isn't huge either. maybe seats 2k? give or take. that's pure guess. were usually a packed house though and our fences are lined with people shoulder to shoulder all the way around. weve had games that weve had to bring in more bleachers for games. were schedule for a rebuild soon. last summer we spent a ton of money putting in a turf practice field and re doing our locker room. so its next on the list.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

Ummmm....how about no?

You're very welcome!

If your son eventually ends up suiting up for the Hokies that will be a fantastic story. I'm pulling for you guys!

sounds like no one cared or every one already knew. but Cam'ron Kelly Is making an announcement today. looks like its going to be auburn.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

That's significantly more % than we got originally.

Bigger bag, bigger commitment.

Here we go again with the percentage argument.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Hi, yes can someone rank the recruiting classes by the average % level of committment? Our staff is missing out on these 800% guys

So this is where I tweet at him, right?

Guys, did you know it is statistically impossible to be over 100%? That really grinds my gears

Next time it'll be 2300%

Auburn was able to recruit that extra 690%, so they were able to get him. It's simple math.

Nice.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Maybe one day we'll get somebody that is 810% committed. Until then, we wait.

It really gets under my skin when people say 810%.....

What happened to that QB/WR who flipped from us to Auburn either last season or the season before? How's he doing, and did Auburn really let him play QB (which was the basis of the flip)?

hes on last chance U as an "athlete" /ssss

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

I looked through the past three classes at Auburn, and none of the names that jumped out at me are gone. Except for John Franklin III, and that's just because he was on Last Chance U (and I don't think he was associated with VT). Who are y'all referring to?

Edit: I actually looked at Malik Willis, but a google search showed he was still there, so I didn't think that's who y'all were talking about.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I was kidding. auburn isn't churning out the NFL players right now. but theyre in the SEC so theyre in the top 10 preseason poll and all that good jazz. I was just being bitter about Kelly committing to auburn to play DB instead of you know. DBU in his home state that just put 4 DBs in the NFL just last season alone while 2 potential hall of fame players from said DBU retired during the same season. No one from auburn that im aware of has been on last chance U. franklin went to auburn after EMC.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

Your'e talking about Malik Willis. He is currently the #2 behind Stidham and most likely will start next year so is doing pretty well. Electric athlete like Dejuan Ellis, we just weren't able to fully convince him to play a position other than QB.

Great for him, to clarify I wasn't asking to be snarky, I was genuinely curious as to how he was doing. If he ends up starting at QB for Auburn it would be very difficult to argue that wasn't the correct decision for him.

Yeah I didn't take it as snarky and agree that would be a great outcome for him if he holds off Joey Gatewood and Bo Nix next year!

What's the early feel on Tyler Baron? He's a composite 4* on 247 and got a bump today for the newly released 2020 rankings update. Hopefully the Barons will be next set of brothers to excel at Tech. He's getting big offers, looks like his most recent was Alabama.

#ALLTHEBARONS

Would be a big time get for the Hokies and looks like he has the Strongside D-End size we need or possibly another great explosive DT. Looks like we are in a good spot and could be a good start to what could be a highly rate 2020 class.

Yeah 2020 is definitely going to be our year on the recruiting trail

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST, FIRE UP THE 2020 RECRUITING HYPE TRAIN!

Yahtzee! Am I doing the thing right?

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I'm here for the Zapp Brannigan references

I know people have been saying that for every class but 2020 I honestly believe it. If you were to ask me who our next commit would be, I would say one of Malcolm Greene, Walker Parks, or Cameron Roseman-Sinclair, all of whom are 4* talents. And that's not even to mention guys like Kaelon Black and Blake Corum, and Keandre Lambert who are leaning leaning to VT and are 4*'s as well. Then being at worst #2 for the Tennessee boys in Tyler Baron and Bryn Tucker. As well as the confidence that some of the insiders have in Miles Brooks. This class has the potential to be special, I genuinely think we have see a big jump this year.

Brother I'm gonna be excited about every recruiting class until proven otherwise. We are trending in the right direction there is no doubt.

As long as the O-line crootin continues and progresses the way it seems they are, the next few years could be special.

I'm often excited even after being proven otherwise.

What are your thoughts on our current odds to get Chris Tyree? Or your opinion on our new QB commit? Btw thanks for all of your input!

I'm not saying that I don't want us to get Tyree, but I really like Corum's film!

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Is it football season yet?

I would be shocked if Tyree became a Hokie.

Don't know too much about Warren but I really like his potential. Absolutely needs to fill out and work on becoming more of a QB than an athlete playing QB but he has all the physical traits in the world to be successful if he can handle the mental aspect.

Bold prediction - Chris Tyree is a Hokie! Mark it down!

...until he commits to Penn State.

Until the big dogs call...

Reach for Excellence!

VT Football: It'll get after ya!

Proud Hokie since 2004.

Yeah I just looked it up to see main competition was Penn Shit University and flashbacks begin

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

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HOKIES

No offense dude, but i'll believe it when I see it. There was no way Ford wasn't going to become our RB of the future and we know how that ended. I believe in what Fuente is building but I don't bother getting too hyped for future recruits.

No offense taken at all. I completely understand the hesitancy.

While I have my reservations because of what seems to happen every year, I can see that year being special. I'm not saying it will be but it definitely has more potential than past years when we look at our standing right now. Roseman-Sinclair and Lambert have already pegged us as the favorite and while we lost Devon in that same situation, we also got Devon Hunter and Dax because the coaches had that relationship early with them and kept it. Statistics says we won't get all these guys, but as long as we have a strong standing with them now, I like our chances.

It also makes sense that these are the classes when recruiting would really pick up. Bud had been on Dax since he was a freshman. These relationships take a lot of time to build and they start so early that Fuente didn't get a chance to talk to KJ Henry as a freshman. 2020 will be a year where he has coached for four full seasons and will have been talking to these kids for several years. It makes sense that 2020 is when we could see that big rise in recruiting.

These kids are still 16 and 17. Most of them have had VT in their ears for over a year already or VT has been watching them.

The relationships are strong and consistent, however they are still young. I won't even think about getting involved in 2020's recruiting till after February of this year just because this one moved so quickly that I want to take a break from it .

Based on what I do know, there is a lot to be positive on and there could be some big fish in the boat early on that will help grow the hype, but I am in wait and see mode.

I really think if the young guys on the team are productive this year, it could really help.

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

I agree with your last sentence. This team needs to be "sexy" and exciting to watch.

It could just be the maroon kool-aid that I've been drinking over the last week or two, but I have a feeling that the offense will be more exciting to watch and it will show the potential of this team to recruits. We have more experience and are deeper at QB, WRs should be much better overall, I have a feeling that McClease will be productive this year, and it sounds like the OL will be better.

worse comes to worst there's always 2021

Now now, we don't start talking about 2021 until the big time recruits in the 2020 class VT is chasing pick Clemson or PSU.

Sauces are saying that when we win the national championship this year, all the elite croots will want to play for us!

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I hear we are targeting several 800+% guys for 2021. Could be a big year for us percentage wise.

small forward?
(don't mean to sound dumb just making sure you are talking about hoops)

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

I'll just assume that twitter is blocked wherever you are. Yes this is hoops.

And this is Buzzketball, so yes, it's a SF

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

did he put VT in North Carolina because #NC2VT or does he think we are UNC?

shhhhh nobody tell him until he signs that LOI.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

#VT2NC

which school in Maine has that little "i" logo?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Igloo State University

He is gonna Cam'ron Kelly this thing and pick Oregon since the basketball is there.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

At what percentage level will he be committed?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Jack Hollifield made 247's 2021 Top 100.

Yeah as well as Tony Grimes, Katron Evans, Gavin Blackwell, Evan Pryor, Payton Page who even though its early have a good chance for them as well. Hopefully we can make the 2020 and 2021 classes help us get that elusive top 15 class.

So you're saying 2021 is the year?

There's an 800% chance. Although, I've also got a really good feeling about 2022. Fingers crossed!

I think Dax mentioned Jack really likes USC. Will be tough to win this one should they be interested though having Dax on the team can't hurt.

Jesse Hanson with a pick 6 tonight against Harrisonburg High School in a 47-13 win (thats what the score was when we left).

Is it football season yet?

Kinda big for a DB but maybe he can play both ways.

I've heard we are into recruiting bigger DB's now.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

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*cough HIGH SCHOOL *cough

Using /s is for cowards.

I hate to be that guy but I will - doesn't matter if they're 18.

90% of them aren't if it is August even if they are seniors.

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FBI!!

Bubba Sparxxx might have an opinion

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Speaking of which and kinda OT, but his College Gameday opening song is still one of my favorites...

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

I'd prefer Steele Fortress. We'll have to get him to transfer in from Michigan Tech though.

I feel like recent turnover in our coaching staff will hinder our ability to get this guy.

This was me a moment ago.

"Staff turnover..??"
"Oooh...."

A QB named Booty, General knows how to score

Buzzketball Commitment class of 2036

2 CBS for Tahj Gary by Watkins and Sis, soo I guess it's happening? Lol

Fugazy

I hope our coaches go all in for 5 star- 2020 RB Chris Tyree outta Thomas Dale HS in Richmond. Its about time VT gets another 5 star recruit. I think Kendall Fuller was our last grab and that was a lay up with his brothers all being Hokies. I'm not afraid to admit I'm in the "Stars matter" camp.

Pour some Beer on it

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We should just recruit 5 stars every time!

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

I mean I'm sure they're pursuing him hard but don't get your hopes up. LA has already mentioned that he's not too confident with our chances with Tyree. Tim Baldwin may be a little bit more plausible though...

Using /s is for cowards.

I see he has some CB's to PSU. What are the chances that Penn State gets the best RB in VA 3 years in a row?

I don't really know much about Baldwin to be honest. As things stand today, I think we bad Kaelon Black and Blake Corum next cycle.

I know I keep bringing it up, but Blake Corum is a legitimate prospect. He would fit well in Fuente's system. I wouldn't be disappointed in the slightest if he is who we ended up with.

Is it football season yet?

Sounds like what everyone said about Jordan Houston a year ago.

He and other "insiders" say a lot of things...Remember 2019 class was supposed to be our year where VT was finally going to have success in keeping the top in state talent home and the year the coaches were focusing on more so than 2018. Ive been to enough recruiting dinners/orange & Maroon tours hosted by Tech over the years to realize no one knows anything until the kids actually sign a commitment letter. Lets face it, until we start recruiting better we wont be able to compete/beat Clemson to break through into the CFP.

Pour some Beer on it

That's funny because "insiders" like LA and BAG have given us tons of inside information that's has completely panned out exactly the way they said it would. And yes we all understand that recruiting matters.

Using /s is for cowards.

Yep, they have proven themselves to be very reliable. Obviously they aren't 100% correct, but their information is usually correct at the time. Nobody can truly tell exactly how every recruitment will play out, including coaches themselves, but they clearly have real sources who do provide accurate information with regularity. There's no need to belittle them when every single recruitment doesn't go our way.

Exactly; look at how substantially better we are now at OL, WR, LB, DE, etc. Yeah we def need to step up at DL and a blue chip at RB would be awesome but clearly things are trending in the right direction. And yeah we were set up to have an amazing year on the trail this year IF we landed Ford bc, the way I understand it, some other chips would have fallen our way but then Franklin promis d Ford the world and well y'all know the rest. I don't think there's anything wrong with a future 1-2 punch of King and Gary, he'll im pretty pumped about it actually

They should strive to be correct 110% of the time.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Based on experience those aren't great odds.

Using /s is for cowards.

No. 800%.

Where is this evidence that just recruiting better = wins? It just doesnt line up with real world examples. Clemson is really the only team I can think that supports that, but honestly I would say Venables and Chad Morris have had the greater impact. Point, I would bet Arkansas will be competing regularly in the SEC in under 3 years. Also Nebraska.

Florida
Miami
LSU
MICH
TENN

WKU
MEMPHIS
UCF
USF
OREGON
WASH
WISC

Coaching/schemes have a direct correlation with wins/losses - recruiting does not. put recruiting in a regression analysis for the top 50 programs, it wont come out like you think. Sure, when someone put out the chart showing all 128 teams it looks like there is a definite trend. But the top 50 programs also have, better coaching, better support staff (trigger), better resources etc. You do the same regression including only the top 50 programs and that trend is virtually a blob of dots.

Yes, 5 stars are better than 2 stars. 5 star athletes have a much higher probability of becoming all-conference athletes and play in the NFL. Im not saying talent doesnt matter, look at UVA, it absolutely matters, Bronco is still trying to build sufficient depth.

My point is, for 99% of teams that arent regularly getting 5 stars, they are battling between a range of mid 4 star athletes and mid 3 star athletes.

People act like they can just go to a camp and the talent difference is so big between a 4 star and a high 3 star kid that they could just pick out who is who just by visually watching them play. Someone who knows more can chime in, but you see kids like Tayvion Robinson and you know that kids going to be a stud - now that may sort itself out, but if coaches paid attention to stars only, Payoute wouldnt have been a take. The stars went up after Tech took notice. Im not saying the system is wrong, its the best way of putting a number to a complicated process, but people are putting too much weight into it as if its un-flawed.

Having a snake oils salesman come in and just up recruiting levels doesnt move the wins needle - having a coach whos built programs from nothing and coordinated top level position groups does. I would hate to see this recruiting noise gain momentum and push out a coach over something that doesnt correlate with program success.

Having a snake oils salesman come in and just up recruiting levels doesnt move the wins needle

Mike London does not believe you.

Edit: Did everyone know he was a cop?!

:like:

27 - 46

You are legally obligated to mention he was a cop.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Wait, time out. He was a cop?

Wait! don't use that timeout yet. We might need it later!

You gotta save those things! They add up!

Their optimism basically comes from him running st of spots at an SEC school. If one of the better ones offer (UGA, Auburn) or SC finds a spot, they think he'll go there.

There were a few other schools they mentioned too

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