Andy Bitter leaving The Roanoke Times

I know Bitter and TKP have had a somewhat complicated history but I'm hoping his "I'm not going far" means that he'll still be covering the Hokies, I have enjoyed his work.

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"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Basically.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

anyone else not get this?

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Celebrating him leaving or happy for him getting another opportunity?

It's been posted twice before this thread was started.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Has it? I searched for Bitter and the last post with his name in the title was in May?

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it's in the Troll thread. that's the only one I know of.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

LOL...pardon me for not checking the joke thread.

Yea, I had 0% chance of reading your comment in that thread without you linking it directly.

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and structured settlement thread

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Because I need cash now.

So, it's not a joke thread.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

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877CROOTNOW!!

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Proud Hokie since 2004.

Yep, that's why

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I hope the RT isn't Bitter about his departure

I'll see myself out (yes, I know its double posted, I'll drink)

I hope the RT isn't Bitter about his departure

The Richmond Times??

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Maybe he's going to join the staff over at The Athletic? Seems like everyone is joining them lately.

That would be the dream. Got a subscription a few weeks ago. I love it.

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Smart move...turn in your two weeks notice immediately after returning from vacation

Seems like he gave his two weeks, then took vacation. Even better move

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Seems like he signed/had his vacay pre-approved, then submitted his 2 wks. Brilliant, proper & BEST move.

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Two months, but that's what I did on Monday.

Can confirm smart move.

Old sigline: I've been cutting back on the drinking.

New Sigline: lol it's football season.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.

"Now Miami wants to talk about it." *Cue Enter Sandman*

Im a fan of bitter. Hope he sticks around.

I swear to god Berman better not be covering football.

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"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

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This is why I love TKP!

It will be tough for Berman to do it because the Roanoke Chapter of the Lollipop Guild meets on Saturday afternoons.

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We could eliminate any possibility of Berman doing the VT gig by putting up a "You must be this tall to enter" sign near the pressbox at about 3' level, couldn't we?

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

Not to mention, I'm pretty sure the press box has a shirt and shoes required dress code that hobbits have a hard time abiding.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Bring back Kyle Tucker! I never thought Bitter was as good.
Plus we were good when Kyle was covering.

well...he is available.

Welp...we waited too long.

He is out of a job now too. SEC Country was shut down by Cox Media at the end of June.

YES! Finally someone recognizes this!

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Rockin the Bakken.

Don't know if there is anything to this, but...

Any chance he heads to TSL?

Danny Coale Caught That Ball!!!

I wouldn't be remotely upset with that.

that seems like a ...less than lateral move?

TSL is terrible.

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Boards are garbage, but the insight from WS and CC is pretty great. TSL and TKP serve vastly different purposes for me, so I don't see much point in comparing them.

That's what I meant. Reading it is horrendous and it seems like everyone on there is 60+ and responds with worthless crap like "You're such a NATT" "In Bud We Trust" or something.

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just had to google NATT...and I don't think the Urban Dictionary definition is what they were going for...

and responds with worthless crap

There's currently an 86-comment thread about structured settlements here, are we really in a position to throw stones?

I will agree, the TKP community is top-notch and it's not really close. 247 especially can get a bit stale with the same-old, same-old of "if your comment isn't negative, you're delusional and not a real fan" bits. I'd say TKP folks can take a joke, but I guess my first sentence will be a good test for that.

I agree, French is top notch, but so is Chris Coleman in my opinion. He doesn't break a game down play by play nearly as good. But his analysis is dead on and interesting.

I don't feel a want to engage the community there at tsl, but i don't let that knock cc. I like his perspective.

I quit going there when it was still called HokieCentral. It's always been bad.

Especially since they just laid off a reporter.

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They may have laid off the reporter to make room for a new hire. It's a move that can make people Bitter but it happens all the time, at least in the industry I work in.

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

He was laid off to cut costs. An experienced reporter like Bitter is going to cost even more.

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Sure. That sounds better than "we fired them to hire someone else". Kind of like "business re-organization".

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

Who was ....not....good.

Gonna disagree with you there. He was fine for a young reporter working his first big gig.

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I am not a subscriber there, but the podcast he did was solid.

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If they do hire him I would expect every single one of his articles to be behind the paywall from now on

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Not heading to TSL, they issued an apology and clarified they aren't hiring him.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

IS THIS WHY JOE NEEDS CASH NOW
/s but for real, if you can join TKPer's Club

"Hokie religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid." Han Solo

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Which film was this from??

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"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Always thought AB did a great job. I consider him the best local sports writer I have ever read - even better than Teel.

His podcast with McFarling will really be missed. I assume he won't continue doing that.

Since you probably read this, Bitter: Thanks for all your work! Behind your words I always sensed a great humility and sincere care for people.

Agreed their podcast is great. I love how unpretentious it is - listen to it every week, I will miss it absolutely.

I didn't like Bitter very much, but I respected him. If he didn't know, he didn't blow, and he never made any bones about not being a Hokie fan, which made him more "digestible" to me somehow. He is smart and competent, not one to employ soaring rhetoric, but capable of a nice turn of a phrase and some pretty good jokes. Like many sports writers, he was a bit thin skinned, but maybe that comes with the territory. We fans can be pretty harsh sometimes. I'll wish him well and look forward to seeing what they do to replace him. Newspapers are struggling these days.

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What sort of complicated history was there between tkp and bitter?

He used to do a Q&A thread with beat writers from the team that VT was facing that upcoming week, then TKP started doing their own which Bitter felt was stepping on his toes a bit so he stopped posting here.

From what Joe has said, it was an amicable separation but some on the board (not me) felt otherwise.

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Why did TKP do that? It provided pretty much the same content that TKPers read from Bitter - so the reward probably wasn't great - but it held the risk of bothering Bitter.

I guess it could just be the nature of a competitive industry, but it seems like there could have been more effective and creative ways to draw readers here.

Becaus that's what we as TKP users asked for. It was at the top of the list of content we wanted.

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I didn't realize that. When that first started I was mostly out of the TKP loop and just an occasional reader. That brings some clarity though. Thanks.

I do wonder why there was such demand for content that Bitter was providing. I guess I just figured most TKPers read the Bitter blog as well. Sounds like that's not really true

TKP has its own writers and produces it's own content. It's not like David Teel doesn't write a game summary because Andy Bitter is writing one. For that type of article specifically the Roanoke Times and TKP versions were typically pretty different, rarely even interviewing the same person. If you are still confused you can try to find the thread about it. I looked but couldn't find it for you.

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Pretty sure Bitter got upset because TKP asked a couple of the same individuals he usually asks . Remember it being brought up with a couple of the teams that do not have multiple writers. As a result, since TKP had already targeted them they were not as intrigued to do the same process with him.

I remember that specifically being brought up.

Rarely

Notice the use of a modifier that says it happened but was an uncommon occurrence.

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It wasn't really *that* complicated. Bitter used to regularly post content here in what was initially a symbiotic relationship: TKP got more quality content, and presumably his exposure on TKP funneled some extra clicks to the Roanoke Times. Once TKP started establishing itself as a credentialed press entity, Andy felt it was becoming more of a competitor to his employer, and subsequently stopped posting his content here. I don't think it was any more complicated than that or that there is any animosity between Andy and the TKP staff.

Not the bagman VT deserves, but the bagman VT needs right now.

I heard it went more like this

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then this

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and ended like this

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"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

There were definitely some TKPers that had some ill will towards him when the split happened.

I disagree with their opinions about it, but it existed.

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His next gig is a step up, not laterally like some were speculating earlier in this thread.

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"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

Insert *Bitteratthesportscenterdesk.jpg* here

Not sure if Richmond Times Dispatch would be a step up, but I would love to see him land there. They currently cover sports like the Sabre. Unbiased coverage of VT sports would be a breathe of fresh air.

It would be a step up. Larger circulation, bigger market, better reputation (I'm sorry, I couldn't type that last part w/ a straight face, lmao).

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Well they do have a bigger reputation at least........

So how long until we pull out the flight tracker to map out his most likely destination?

He lost me when he posted the garbage about Buzz "wasting" reporters time, like they have better things to do than their job, followed with his "sorry, not sorry" apology.

Up until that point he seemed like the straight man, after that he always read entitled to me so I stopped reading altogether. I'm have no angst for the guy but I have no compulsion to read his material anymore. Hope his new job works out though and he makes better decisions on when to call foul and when not to.

I remember that. It did come across as a little whiny but in his defense, Buzz did put the press in a tight spot for meeting the morning paper deadline. And, meeting with the press is a coach's job as well. No big deal either one in my book.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

I mean, all things considered, it was Berman that was whining and live-tweeting the fact that he had to stand in the hallway. It was a whole Twitter diatribe. Bitter came along the next day and just said "jerk move by Buzz" and that was pretty much it, sticking up for a colleague.

disagree, and that's fine.

But for me, their job is to report on sports. Wait the hour. Don't see much standing for any of Berman's diatribe or Bitter's mailed in support. Do your job, end of story. To me there is no room for debate there.

One can debate if Buzz's job responsibility is to prioritize the team or the press, I suppose. I personally believe his first priority is always the team, and he did go speak to the press. So brings me back to my original point, do your job and wait.

I don't disagree that Buzz has his own priorities, but I wouldn't blackball a decent beat reporter over mentioning that they all had to wait.

They all had to wait, they complained about it, end of story.

I had an email conversation with Andy right after Buzz was hired and he mentioned that he'd heard some things from guys who covered Marquette that Buzz was kind of a dick about some things. Can't recall the exact wording and I don't want to mischaracterize what he said, but that was the gist. I believe he's come around on that now, but I agree that him mentioning the complaint wasn't exactly a good reason to turn our backs on either Buzz or Bitter.

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I look at it this way. If I had in my career been waiting to speak to a client at 3pm, and I had to wait an whole hour (the horror!) for said client which caused me to not contain my emotions and I blasted them on social media for making me wait to do my job, I would have been fired. Likewise I would fire any of my employees who did that. If someone who wasn't even there chimed in calling the client a jerk and they worked for me, they would also be fired.

So again, I revert back to my original point. It.... is... their..... job. Wait the hour because it's your job to do so. Report the news after waiting that hour because it's your job to do so. Calling a coach who is doing his job a jerk isn't the job.

Feel free to read his material all you want. Like I said I don't have any ill will toward him, but his writing reads entitled to me now when it used to read neutral. the "just the facts" reporter had turned into the "jerk move" reporter, so I chose to read material elsewhere.

Sounds like you are holding it against him.

I read that incident as a difference in opinion between the coach and the beat reporters. It really didn't affect my opinion of either one. If it happened all the time, I might have a different opinion.

Sounds like you are holding it against him

uh yeah, i am holding it against him ... you know, like I said in my very first comment when I said I don't read his material any more.

That doesn't mean I want him to lose his job or wish any "ill will" against him though. please read comments thoroughly.

Yeah, this was also in your first post:

I'm have no angst for the guy

There's no problem with my reading comprehension. I'm just pointing out that you do have some angst for the guy, as demonstrated in your many posts here trashing him. There is some ill-will, even if it doesn't rise to the level of wishing that his career were over.

So you can feel free to insult my reading comprehension all you want, but I'm responding to what you actually wrote.

My point is that I'd be hesitant to judge Bitter on that one incident, unless there were a lot more trashing going on that I'm not aware of. If there were, I'd reconsider.

I explained why I don't read him any more. You among a few others commented and I offered a response. Doesn't mean anything more than what I said, that I don't read his material anymore no matter how much you want to try to make it so.

"trashing" is a odd comment since I am only using his exact words to demonstrate why I don't read his material, so if it's trashing then I guess his comments are trash.

My point is that I'd be hesitant to judge

great, read his material. When did I say you shouldn't. I choose not to. problem solved.

One comment you didn't like about basketball and suddenly all of his writing is "entitled" to you? VT athletics needs sportswriters, it's part of selling the brand and satisfying fans thirst for all things VT, and Bitter was no Bill Brill, was he? I think it's like you threw the baby out with the bathwater. Normally, I'd be thinking "get over it", but it is obvious from your posts that you don't intend to do anything of the sort.

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I'm a reader and there are many choices for me to go to read. Bitter is just one of them. TSL is one of them. TKP is one of them. I don't have a lot of time but I used to give Andy the click's and read his material (which can be verified in my older comments) as much as possible. Now I simply don't read his material, because of this instance. No baby and no bathwater. just a choice. I used to read and subscribe to TSL as well, but I don't do either of those anymore either. Just don't have the time and the community boards over there were not to my taste. Again, no baby and no bathwater. simply a choice. you and everyone else are free to make your own as well.

We're all free to make choices.

You just took that one incident a lot more seriously than I did.

It's all good.

Do your job, end of story

I see what ya did there.

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To address Guitarman's recollection of the events. Bitter commented during the hour and called it a jerk move. He then went on to defend his comments saying that Buzz owes the media 10 minutes before speaking to his team, which is BS.

I encourage people to re-read the TKP posts about this:
http://www.thekeyplay.com/virginia-tech-basketball/2016/01/11356/buzz-wi...

and

http://www.thekeyplay.com/virginia-tech-basketball/2016/01/11368/hokies-...

Bitter's obstinate belief that media is entitled to time before the team is what turned me away from Bitter which I originally commented on here: http://www.thekeyplay.com/comment/382404#comment-382404

I actually agree with you that he doesn't owe the media 10 minutes before talking to his team.

I thought they were complaining that he didn't even send someone out to let them know he was going to be a while.

On the "10 minute-before-addressing-the-team" thing, I'd agree with you that they can pound sand. On that, the coach can do what he sees fit. Its' more along the lines that if he's going to be a while and he knows they're waiting, he could let them know.

It was a noon game on a Wednesday. Making deadline was not an issue.

Really? Hmm, I thought it was a night game. My memory gets worse and worse as the years pile up. I do distinctly recall that deadline was the issue that was raised, along with hanging around waiting, but again, me and my memory.....

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there were comments about deadlines but you know what, call your editor. Update them on the situation. Or, here's a thought... and I'm just spit-balling here... do your job and write an article about the game and Buzz taking an extended amount of time to speak to his team. Would this be a turn around point? could it? are the days of Coach's inspiring teams to get out of slumps and turn a season around behind us, or is Buzz going to do just that?

What do you know, something for the editor other than whining on social media. Again, do your job. Report on sports. Stop making excuses and get it done.

At the end of the day, the coach has a lot more responsibility, gets paid a lot more, and gets to call the shots.

The beat reporters had a minor point, which they expressed. I'd rather they tweet/write about it on that day, so they can bring it out in the open and resolve it in public than let resentment build and creep into their reporting on the coach or the program.

Buzz can talk to the team as long as he wants, but I think the point was that he could have sent word out to let the media know it was going to be a while, and then those reporters could relay that back to their organizations. Tempers were hot that day, but in the long run this seems minor to me.

If they had a complaint then voice it to the AD's office like a professional. Don't whine about it and call someone names like a grade schooler on social media.

If you want something addressed these days, social media is easier and potentially more effective, though it might also have bigger ramifications.

These days you can end your career with one ill-considered tweet.

Correct, and in this case, he ended my readership. my point all along.

thanks for agreeing with me.

It was informative to people on Twitter wondering why there weren't any notes and quotes from the post game press conference yet. Your righteous indignation over the whole thing is more egrigious than any whining the reporters did.

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I have no problem with reporters using social media. I have a problem with them being unprofessional about it.

IMO "kind of a jerk move by Buzz and the gang" isn't conveying anything informative on twitter other than name calling. I feel it would have been more useful and informative to people on Twitter to explain the situation.

I'm happy to disagree with you on that. I find the righteous indignation part funny though since I literally just said that I personally don't read his work anymore. I didn't call for a ban on his work or that he should be shunned by Hokies everywhere. It's my personal opinion which you can disagree with, just as you think name calling on twitter is informative to which I disagree with.

Actually I'm surprised no one has mentioned the biggest part of that whole situation was Bitter making a really snarky comment that there was essentially NO WAY keeping the team in the locker room for a tough talking would actually turn around a season, that stuff ONLY happens in movies.

Then it *literally* became the turning point of the entire season and that moment was clearly the beginning of a massive shift in how the season turned out. Multiple articles started to make mention of that speech and the players even talked about it, which was beautiful to watch. You could tell they had heard of Bitter's comment and wanted to back their coach.

Just to be clear though, the comment itself blew me away when he tweeted it, even before the ironic turnaround that ensued. Not at all objective journalism and seemed emotionally motivated. Then when people dug it back up after the it was clear how big that moment was and the tweet looked even more moronic, you'd expect someone who wasn't emotionally involved to eat their crow and say "Ok, ok, I shouldn't have said that." Instead, Bitter seemed kinda pissy about it. Not a good look at all.

Yeah that's where he lost me. Calling what Buzz did a jerk move is just an opinion and if he left it at that, it's a harmless thing that would have been forgotten. But the piling on with that kind of "he thinks he's a better coach than he really is, and I know better" really soured me on the whole thing. And as you said, after we upset #4 UVa literally 5 days later, he doubled down on the snark with essentially "the blind squirrel found the nut" to everyone who came at him with receipts...

That whole situation still deserves to be mocked endlessly. It really did show how much certain people following VT sports think they themselves are a part of the story instead of the ones simply reporting it.

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This is what I remember as well. I knew there was something pretty shitty he'd said but I couldn't remember exactly what until this post

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MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

When I saw this I was like, 'Oh that's what the structured settlement was for'. It'll be nice to have him still in the fold somewhere. WaPo needs a Blacksburg reporter though too

I hope he ends up reporting on the Hokies somewhere, because he is a decent journalist.

He's neither a homeboy nor an irrational critic. He sort of tells it like it is, while not being overly negative.

Harry Minium from VA Pilot is retiring- wonder if that could be his destination?

Andy's tagline from his twitter account, for what it's worth:

Virginia Tech football beat writer, formerly of the Roanoke Times.

If words mean something, and I believe they do, then he's still a VT beat writer, just not with the Roanoke Times. Note the present tense vs. the past tense.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

Nice detective work.

My guess is The Athletic.

Always choose joy.

Step right up and claim your prize

Now Miami wants to talk about it...

while you're here my venmo is...

Always choose joy.

I like Bitter. He has done a good job and I hope he will continue to cover the Hokies

Personally not a huge fan. He has a lot of good information but you can tell he's not a fan. There has to be a small amount of homerism from the local beat writer. Just a little. Enough to keep people positive. You can't be completely impartial or slightly negative. The basketball speech moment comes to kind. If you're not at least somewhat a fan, go back to where you are a fan. People are always going to sense your inner conflict. They can't connect with your writing on an emotional level. Sports are not the same as current events or politics or other topics requiring complete objectivity when reporting news and current events.

No. Reporters report. You looking for homerism then there are plenty of outlets for that. HokieSports magazine, fan sites, Mike Burnop, Jon Laaser, Andrew Allegretta are there. Beat reporters are there to ask difficult questions and get answers and write the tough pieces when needed.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Bitter walks a fine line with some of the columns that he writes. It isn't all strictly news. He gives his opinions and he does Q&A. In my way of thinking, if you are going to report only the news, current events, then yes give me 100% objectivity and the truth and only the truth. Once you start down the road of opinion, conjecture, speculation I want a source that sees the glass half full not half empty. That's just not the impression I always get when I read some of his columns.

He is an outside voice and opinion. That's the whole point.

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Is he an outside opinion, or "reporters report" and he's a source of objectivity without any trace of subjectivity or homerism? There's a difference and you're arguing both sides.

Why? Your saying they can't give their opinion, on say how well the staff is doing at developing WR's without being a fan? I think a non fan can give a better opinion. It's not like he doesn't follow the team or know about them, he is paid to. But he isn't blinded by a loyalty to the program. It also means If something is wrong he will write about it not try and hide it or cover it up.

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I would add "while at the same time being a credible source". He's not prone to reporting unsourced rumors.

Sports are not the same as current events or politics or other topics requiring complete objectivity when reporting news and current events.

Complete objectivity in current events and politics?

I'm happy if they get the facts right. If there were a general sense of negativity about the team or the coaches, Bitter wouldn't be around. He doesn't have to be a homer like some writers, and it's actually good to have different perspectives in VT sports coverage.

Right you are, Fireman. Bitter made it quite clear that he was covering the Hokies, not being a fan, and to me his impartiality is one of the reasons he is a pretty good sportswriter. He once said that winning seasons and exciting games were more fun from a work perspective, but that he was there for work, did his job regardless of outcome, and to me, that is the very definition of professional.
Homerism is routinely overdone from people calling a sports game, but as good a fan as our own Bill Roth seemed, he made a determined effort to leave a lot of that to Burnop while he himself called a game as professionally as I'd hope to hear.

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If I did not read anything written by some one with whom I disagree sometimes, the only thing I could read would be my own posts on TKP.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

I disagree with that.

We put the K in Kwality

That's ok. I'll still read your posts.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

I dunno. Sometimes I come back to tkp the morning after and think, what a fucking moron, what jackass said th...shit. That was me. I should probably cut back on the drinking.

(So sometimes I even disagree with myself)

Old sigline: I've been cutting back on the drinking.

New Sigline: lol it's football season.

(So sometimes I even disagree with myself my Russian half brother)

FTFY

Using /s is for cowards.

I'm not bitter that Bitter is Gone ... Not at All.

Jack R.

He not gone.

But are you glad Mr. Steal Your Girl Moto is gone?

Well clearly hes still reporting virginia tech news, so thats good.

Ive always enjoyed his 'outsiders' perspective, I think hes been spot on exactly where he should be. He has gauged the outside temperature of the hokies well, and knows the internal workings well enough to know if that outside perspective is off. I thought he handled Frank's retirement and the down seasons perfectly.

Of the local Virginia sports reporters, he has been the most read for me.

TSL tweeted out the article that HokieDubois shared here.

So, looks like it's just a freelance side gig. We'll know his new job next week.

He has been writing Virginia Tech stuff for Athlon for years. He does the write up for the team in the preseason magazine if I'm not mistake, just not the picks at the end.

It's Time to go to Work

Yeah. Lots of sports writers from both print and online sites (like SBNation) provide content for them. I'm a little surprised that he doesn't get his name on the article, but maybe that's normal for a freelance gig in that line of work.

Yeah, that tweet is gold. I love it.

Danny Coale Caught That Ball!!!

I guess he'll be bringing his talents to The Athletic.

The editors made me feel like family and told me I'd be able to get early writing time

Love announcing it this way.

Virginia Tech University

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Tyrod is still the only one who knows our official school name...

I must be the only one who doesn't get upset at all about this. I graduated in 97, nowhere on my diploma is "Virginia Tech". I graduated from Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University.

"Virginia Tech University"

XD

Love the trolling here. "Virginia Tech University" plus the fantastic emoji use. Looks like I'll be subscribing to The Athletic.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

the only thing he could've done to make this tweet better, was to have his battery under 10%. 79% is way too high!

I shouldn't have charged my phone last night. Alas.

Andy, I really enjoy listening to your commentary and coverage brother. Keep up the great work!

If it ain't orange, it better be maroon...and if it ain't maroon, it better be soon!

Subscribed.

They have a student subscription also for cheap.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Congrats to AB on the new gig, but who.gif?!!! I know absolutely nothing about The Athletic. Anyone familiar?

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From what I understand they are one of the better sports news/analysis sites out there at the moment. Kind of in the Grantland mold. Paid subscription site but one of the few that would be worth it (along with this place). Good place for Bitter to land.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

I've really enjoyed my subscription to The Athletic so far despite the fact that they haven't had much dedicated coverage to any of the teams I follow (obviously changing now with Andy's hire). It's well worth it.

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I'm thrilled that Andy is joining the The Athletic.

I subscribed since they hired a couple of my favorite writers covering MLS/US Soccer and it's well worth the subscription price.

For those who are thinking about subscribing, there's often deals floating around for 40-50% off your first year's subscription. I'd recommend nabbing one of those if you're on the fence because it's a great deal at those prices.

Thanks for the input. Sounds like an excellent opportunity. I just hope it has better luck than Grantland. I liked Grantland and was sad to see it go.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

They are still somewhat small - but are aggressively expanding their CFB coverage. It looks like they hired 7 local CFB writers today.

That brings their total up to 19 CFB Teams:
College football expansion: The Athletic announces 19 beat writers

They are still somewhat small - but are aggressively expanding

Pretty awesome that VT is one of their 19 teams. On the Audible, Mandel mentioned that they were being very selective in what universities they hired beat writers for. Great to see The Athletic pick up VT, and great to see Andy Bitter sticking on the beat!

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@slmandel spacesareyourfriends - jus' say'in.

It's a subscription site. I know Stewart Mandel is on there, plus a bunch of other quality writers. I thought it was mostly a landing spot for good writers who were being cut by SI, Fox Sports, etc. Turns out they're doing far better than I thought they would.

Since I only really follow closely Hokies is it worth it overall? I like football in general for stories but is it all geared towards fans of those teams only?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Bruce Feldman is there, the best national writer. Max Olson is another great writer who focuses on college football as a whole. I signed up about 6 months ago and love it.

As MPHOKIE said, they do have some national writers like Feldman, Mandel, Nicole Auerbach, etc. It seems like they'll have some features from guys like Matt Brown too.

I think with all of the recent hires, they're definitely moving into a direction where local beat reporters will be integral to their CFB coverage. That being said, I've really enjoyed some of the local coverage for other teams in leagues I follow (MLS specifically) because the level of work is really high. If that's still not your cup of tea, they'll still have people writing with general overviews of the sport.

I got my subscription shortly after Bruce joined for $40/year I think? Well worth it. It gives you access to all sports. I knew their college football content would be great (and I was not disappointed), but I've been really impressed with their soccer content.

Edit to add these quotes from Andy's intro article:

If you already subscribe, you know what The Athletic brings to the table. If you don't, here's what you get: honest reporting, in-depth features, focused analysis, in-the-know commentary, reader-friendly mailbags and stories that might take a little more time to develop, all on a website that's clean and easy to navigate.

That means no clickbait. No hot takes. No pop-up ads. No video. (And no video playing on top of another video that you didn't even click on in the first place. Gosh, that's infuriating.)

Worth the money.

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They came off poorly in that article, I agree. But they're very smart, astute businessmen. They're what the sportswriting industry needs to navigate these hard times.

Andy, good to see you posting again on TKP! Hope to see you around a bit more often.

I'll try to. It was time. Changing jobs makes you step back and re-examine things.

Congrats on Joining the new gig..seems like a solid landing spot

Hokies, Local Soccer, AFC Ajax, Ravens

Now that you have a fancy new job, we fully expect to see a "key" next to your name ;)

Seriously, congrats...and welcome back!

We put the K in Kwality

Good to hear, they did seem bent on destroying the entire newspaper business based on the quotes but you are more knowledgable about the business than I.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Newspapers fell asleep at the switch and didn't know what to do when the bottom fell out of advertising revenue. They opened the door for this.

Interesting... they decry newspapers as being a "bundle", where many readers usually only read one section, but then start up a website with a stated goal of essentially becoming a "bundle" of local sports pages in most major cities in the country.

Except for most sports fans are interested in consuming more sports information. I'm a Hokies fan, but I'll read a good CFB article. I'm a Caps/Kings fan but I'll read any NHL article. For hockey, they had good mock drafts well before the draft.

The other thing is newspaper articles are generally crap (do they even hire editors any more?) while The Athletic has some of the best writers for each sport on staff.

That's a fair point. And I definitely understand the value in centralizing sports coverage, since as it stands now many local newspaper still provide unique articles about major sports events, meaning hundreds of similar articles. And while in some cases there may be a local connection that the writer wants to make, that's not going to be the case for the majority of them.

This way you could reduce the number of redundant articles on major sports events while maintaining a similar level of quality of local level reporting.

I was mostly just pointing out the irony in them wanting to de-bundle sports from the newspaper by essentially acting as a bundle of individual local sports sections rolled into one website. I know the model has its benefits and am interested to see if it succeeds.

This is peak capitalism. I love it.

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Its always 110 Holden...said every mining engineer ever.

That NYT article kept me from subscribing until a couple of weeks ago. My interest in supporting the writers outweighed the disdain for those quotes.

Since then I've read articles on The Athletic every day. Well worth the subscription. The app is terrific, and the ad-free reading is wonderful.

Andy, glad you landed there. Congrats and I look forward to continuing to read your work.

Thank you. Glad you're on board.

You should never base a decision on what you read in the NY Times.

And now we get to see what happens with someone links to one of Andy's articles on The Athletic and then puts half the text in quotes...

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I imagine it would be something like this. With Andy and Guitarman at the back of the line.

Here lies It's a Stroman Jersey I Swear, surpassed in life by no one because he intercepted it.

What? No mayo?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

For his first(?) piece at The Athletic, Bitter wrote a really good piece on our recruiting, examining our average recruit's score by position group. Highly recommend.

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From the Community Guidelines:

Don't copy and paste content from premium (pay-to-read) websites. Don't share links to premium (pay-to-read) content.

Thank you, Sir!

Unless it's a TKPC only article. You can link the shit out of that premium content.

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But what if Bitter copies and pastes some information from his own article on here, despite it being beyond a paywall?

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Andy if you could please copy and paste you article to TKP that would be great. Thanks.

I just liked every comment in this. Love it.

Andy - can TKP members get a discount to The Athletic (and vice versa ... which would be a question for TKP Staff)?

Hokie fan | W&M grad

I haven't been approached by anyone at The Athletic (and don't have a suspicion that I would).

Typically, subscription based businesses incentivize other business with a percentage of the signup fee for leads.

I wish Andy all the best in his new venture, but as far as sharing excerpts of content and links to content behind a paywall go, the Community Guidelines apply to all.

Roanoke Times is suing Andy Bitter over his twitter name...

The article is behind a paywall, but you get the gist.

Also:

so...about as amicable a parting as Goode and Tech football? Too soon?

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Unless someone at the Roanoke Times registered that account and handed the credentials to Bitter they can pound sand.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Interesting. So could a sport's team like the Cavs claim that they have ownership in Lebron's twitter? Or UFC having ownership in Connor McGregor's? Or Ray-J having ownership of Kim's?

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“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

I think Ray J should be claiming royalties on all the Kardashian/Jenner profits.

Fugazy

I think he is:

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"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

things might be different for "contractors" like McGregor or for collectively bargained employees like Lebron.

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