2018 NFL Free Agency and Draft Thread

With Legal Tampering set to begin at noon today and the official onset of Free Agency scheduled to begin on Wednesday, figure its time to start the talks.

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Secondly, lets get caught up on where we already are...

We're already well into a very interesting offseason. Looks like Seattle is hell bent on blowing it up this year with both Michael Bennett (Eagles) and Richard Sherman (49ers) already being shipped out of town, with questions circling about how much longer Kam Chancellor still has in the tank. Also, it looks like Washington might have gotten their QB in Alex Smith after shipping away Kendall Fuller to get him. This is leaving Kurt Cousins (sic) on the market, with major rumors circling that he's destined to sign in Minnesota this week. And then the Browns, in an attempt to look like they know what they're doing went out and traded for Tyrod Taylor, as both a blessing (getting the hell out of Buffalo) and a curse (Browns'd) for the player. And then, of course, there have been a couple minor moves as well, such as the Eagles and Panthers swapping Torrey Smith and Daryl Worley over the weekend. And just this morning, breaking news has the Dolphins releasing Ndamukong Suh as early as this afternoon.

But there are plenty of storylines to be had going into this offseason.

Rob Gronkowski hinted toward a possible retirement after the Super Bowl, and hasn't really refuted those statements after the fact. Is he coming back? You'd have to think so, but in the chance he doesn't, is the dynasty really done?

Nick Foles is widely regarded as the backup to Carson Wentz in Philly, but he is the Super Bowl MVP and the Eagles are supposedly open to trading. The price is going to be high, with Philly demanding at least 1 first rounder, but with teams like Arizona, Buffalo, and even the Giants being supposedly a legitimate QB from competitive play, could someone get desperate enough to make the move? In all likelihood, any move doesn't happen til Week 3 or 4 of the season to allow Wentz to return, but I'm hearing the team believes in Nate Sudfeld enough to trade Foles if the offer is right.

Even if Cousins is brought into Minnesota as suspected, what on Earth are they going to do with the QBs they already had? Case Keenum, Sam Bradford, and Teddy Bridgewater are all going to be Free Agents on Wednesday. Does the team let all 3 walk? Keenum balled out for them last year, but if you're going to bring in Cousins, you almost have to let him walk because of the cost he'll command. The team has invested a lot of money into Bridgewater, and it would be a tough pill to swallow to let him go given the hype he had (and realistically, still has, assuming he gets healthy).

Did you hear? The Carolina Panthers are for sale, as apparently Jerry Richardson was a dirty old man who couldn't keep his hands to himself. The slew of potential buyers have ranged from the absurd (P. Diddy) to the obvious (Bruton Smith). Over the weekend, it has come out that the owner of Fanatics.com is emerging as a frontrunner to purchase the team. Which... I have no opinion on, the website is alright and I know nothing about the people specifically. Regardless, for a team that is 25 months removed from a 1-loss run to the Super Bowl, its unlikely that you'll see too much action from them with all the uncertainty about the ownership situation.

Drew Brees still doesn't have a contract. What was unthinkable a month ago is starting to look like it could be reality the longer this drags out. This man could actually hit Free Agency, and if that happens, you'd have to think all bets are off on where he ends up.

For those of you looking for your Hokies news... DeAngelo Hall has been putting out numerous hints that this past year might have been his last, with retirement pending how this offseason goes. Reports have been circulating that Kam Chancellor might not be too far behind, as he just isn't getting healthy. Kyle Fuller appears to be headed toward Free Agency, and its believed he'll be one of the more coveted players at his position.

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Kyle Fuller appears to be headed toward Free Agency, and its believed he'll be one of the more coveted players at his position.

Kyle Fuller got hit with the transition tag by the Bears. He probably isn't going anywhere unless some team breaks the bank for him, as the Bears have the option to match the agreed upon deal.

Chem PhD '16

Kam wants to come back and I think I read somewhere he would have to be medically retired this year not to come back, but that was a couple months ago.

I think he failed his medical evaluation in Feb. But everything I have heard is he still wants to come back and play some more.

What is fanatics.com? Kind of afraid to go to a site named that.

Sports apparel website, completely safe to go to.

Online sports apparel retailer.

A few years ago they effectively purchased the web stores of the NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL (among others) and now host the team store of all 4 major professional leagues. If you go to any of those sites, you'll see under the main header 'A Fanatics Experience', because of the affiliation. At this point, its just easier to go to Fanatics.com for a one stop shop for all team apparel. Also worth noting, they pretty much have an agreement with the NFL that they effectively have exclusive rights to Super Bowl Champions apparel for shirts, sweatshirts, and jackets. Pretty much can't find anything that doesn't have their logo on it, including this absurdly priced $3k jacket.

So yeah, they're a monopoly that pretty much controls the online retail of all your professional leagues, and they're actively trying to bully Nike, UA, Adidas, 47 Brand, New Era, etc out of that marketplace.

Also worth noting, they run shop.Hokiesport.com.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Riiiiight. Like you didn't buy it.

They spelled Iggles wrong, but you only YOLO once.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Riiiiight. Like you didn't buy it.

haha, my wife is already pissed at the amount I've already spent. If she saw that charge on the credit card bill, I'd be paying alimony by the end of the year.

They spelled Iggles wrong,

This is true

you only YOLO once.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

That jacket is also hideous.

I tried to get my parents to send me out some SB 52 merch from the stores there, and its very limited.

limited is an understatement

Either the Eagles have the largest fanbase ever, or they significantly underestimated just how much demand there would be for Eagles Super Bowl Champions merch. There's seriously slim pickings for anything in a L to XL, especially in jackets.

I'm wondering if Fanatics is even going to bother restocking. I know they aren't going to for any of the home green jerseys with the SB52 patch.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I think too detailed of a discussion of the eagles fanbase can only lead to dark places ;)

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And honestly, I always thought wearing apparel that referenced a specific title or championship was a bit tacky, but for the Eagles I just wanted something with the logo on it.

There is a pop up sports apparel shop right here on Scottsdale Rd. in Old Town that stocks up on tons of merchandise for whatever happens to be the sporting event dujour, and that's all they sell (i.e., right now its full of Spring training baseball shirts and such, during the Fiesta Bowl/Playoffs its nothing but clothing for the associated teams, Super Bowl same thing, so on and so forth.) The day after the Super Bowl they had literally nothing left in terms of Eagles items.

Your fans are absolutely the fattest people on the face of the earth. They are slobs that have had one to many cheese steaks. I live here and it's by far the most ugly city I have evere lived in and I have lived everywhere LA, ATL, Miami, New Oreleans, and NYC.

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#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

That jacket is so hideous, I'm not sure I'd wear it even if the monetary transaction were reversed.

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Looks like the next QB Domino has fallen.

Case Keenum has agreed to sign with the Broncos at the start of free agency tomorrow.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I wholeheartedly agree. Go Falcons!

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Oh.... no.....

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Drew Brees stays with New Orleans. Just signed a 2 year extension worth $50m, with $27m guaranteed.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Silly Saints.

Looks like:

  • Sammy Watkins to the Chiefs
  • Allen Robinson to the Bears
  • Andrew Norwell to the Jaguars
  • Anthony Hitchens to the Chiefs
  • Case Keenum to the Broncos
  • Star Lotulolei to the Bills

All I can say is that the Chiefs offense is gonna be fun with Watkins, Hill, Kelce, Hunt and Mahomes

Chem PhD '16

Left out Johnny Manziel to Starbucks

1-0 every week

I don't care which team you pull for, THIS ^^^comment wins the whole damn thread.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
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...That's what Maryland does.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

In all seriousness, he's a pretty decent option as a backup DT. Sounds like Beau Allen is hitting the open market, so Ngata represents his replacement.

I also saw that the Eagles freed up about $7.5m in cap room by restructuring Lane Johnson's contract. He still gets paid the same amount, but his cap hit is now $790k this year as opposed to the $10.25m it was going to be.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

It's gotten to the point where I won't be surprised that somehow Suh ends up there just cause Howie finds a way.

...That's what Maryland does.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

Those rumors just refuse to die... I'm not counting on it happening at all... but the chances are shockingly greater than 0.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I haven't been following closely enough, and I didn't realize that was even a rumor. The fact it is even a possiblity is hilarious. Just keep building that front.

...That's what Maryland does.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

Supposedly he went up to some members of the Eagles coaching staff last year when the two teams practiced together in the preseason saying how much he liked the Eagles and how he would "play for free" to join the team.

And that was before the SB run.

As I said, I don't believe it will happen at all... But supposedly he has shown interest, and the Eagles are freeing up some cap room....

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Sounds like Beau Allen is hitting the open market

Sure enough.... Allen has agreed to sign with Tampa Bay

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Thats the guy who ended RG3.

not Mike Shanahan
not the Seahawks
not Subway endorsement money

Haloti Ngata

Made it official today

1 year $3m

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Eagles TE, Trey Burton agrees to a 4yr $32m contract with Chicago

You could say the Bears are getting a... Special player....

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Second most Superbowl TDs in that division.

...That's what Maryland does.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

DeAngelo Hall has been putting out numerous hints that this past year might have been his last, with retirement pending how this offseason goes.

Was talking with him about this time last year and he mentioned retirement. Said he would like to work in the front office in Washington and moved his family up there for the schools. Wasn't definite at the time but he's had a long career and of course been injured as of late.

Asked about his son (DB no idea if his ranking) going to VT and he said he's talking with him but he's a big SEC lean growing up in ATL.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

looks official as its going to get kirk cousins to sign with the Vikings on Thursday 3 year 84 mil guaranteed per adam schefter of ESPN.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

We have THREE quarterbacks of similar talent level and we are going to spend 28m/yr on a fucking average quarterback. I am VERY upset about this bullshit. Diggs and Thielen will make him look better than he is, and our overall team is good enough to win with him, but he is absolutely no where near worth 28m/yr.

The kicker is that it sounds like its a 100% guaranteed contract.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I'm all for players getting guaranteed contracts, but I am upset that we are setting the standard by overpaying a mediocre QB.

If it makes you feel any better, you probably just pissed off the front offices of Atlanta, Green Bay, Seattle, LA Rams, and Philly due to their current starting QB contracts expiring in the next couple seasons.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

it really doesn't make any sense at all to me. you literally have 3 QBs on your roster who are better or just as good as him. its not like you got a guy that is going to put you over the top. im honestly dumbfounded by this move by them but im a redskins fan so im happy to have gotten rid of kirk just wish we could have gotten something for him in return.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

you literally have 3 0 QBs on your roster who are better or just as good as him

Keenum, Bradford, and Bridgewater are all unrestricted free agents.

Chem PhD '16

I'm just a little surprised they had such low faith in Keenum after the year he had. I mean the guy played like a legit baller this year and they let him walk for nothing. And in return gave Cousins an absurd guaranteed contract.

And now if you're someone like Arizona or the Jets, and you're seeing what these FAs are demanding, suddenly shipping a couple picks (1st +) to Philly for Foles doesn't look so bad.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

If we could have kept Keenum for less than 28m/yr there is no reason we shouldn't have. He is eerily similar to Cousins and already knows the system/familiar with the receivers. I also would have gladly taken Tyrod.

Keenum higher floor, lower ceiling than Kirk. Cousins deal looks bad in a vacuum but UFA deals aren't negotiated in a vacuum. We have no idea what Keenum is getting with Denver yet.

Chem PhD '16

And now if you're someone like Arizona or the Jets, and you're seeing what these FAs are demanding, suddenly shipping a couple picks (1st +) to Philly for Foles doesn't look so bad.

You Eagles fans are all the same, aren't you 🙄 Keep dreamin', man. A first rounder plus another pick for Foles when you are picking #6 is stupid and asinine and yes it does look so bad. If Tyrod is worth a third, and Alex Smith is worth a third plus Kendall Fuller, there is no way Nick Foles is worth multiple picks if one is a first rounder.

Chem PhD '16

Reason 1a why Foles could demand that kind of trade

reason 1b why Foles could demand that kind of trade

Its not often at all that a QB can be had who not only legitimately led his team to a Super Bowl title on the strength of his arm, but won the MVP award for his efforts. When you draft someone in the first round, you're dreaming that the guy you pick has that kind of potential. With Foles, that potential is already realized. And its not the first time in his career he has shown this kind of ability, when you consider the run he had back in 2013 before he got Fisher'd.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Keep living in your Eagles fan fantasy, then. Yeah he won a Super Bowl on a loaded Eagles roster. That doesn't make your hypothetical deal a good one or even "not look so bad".

No NFL front office is giving up #6 overall and another pick for a 29 year old guy who had one good season fives years ago plus two good games last year when it counted in his six years as a pro (mostly viewed as "qualified backup" to "replacement level starter") and would require a long term deal at current market extension rate, etc etc etc.

If the Jets or Cardinals trade their first rounder plus another pick for Nick Foles, I will upload a video of myself eating a jar of mayonnaise.

Chem PhD '16

Eagles fan fantasy?

We didn't imagine the Eagles winning the Super Bowl. They in fact won it. And if no one wants Foles, that's fine. Birds are under the cap now with some restructures and the release of Celek. Imagine that "loaded Eagles roster" moving forward with a backup QB that we already know can win it all, behind a top QB in this league moving forward in Wentz.

Front offices in this league do weird things as the pressure to win is immense. Suggesting you will eat a jar of delicious mayonnaise because you think two teams that are desperate won't make a rash decision is a poor bet.

Case in point... Sam Bradford was traded from Philly to Minnesota after Bridgewater went down for a 1st and a 4th.

But keep on believing that the Super Bowl MVP doesn't carry a similar pricetag. Really, its amusing.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Except Bradford had (and still has) thrown for over 3500 yards every year he was healthy for 11+ games, and Foles has never done that.

I mean, clearly he isn't worth that since no team has traded for him yet. Almost every team found a QB in trades or free agency that needed one immediately. The ones still questioning their QB room will probably sign McCarron instead of paying this ridiculous price.

When Bradford was traded, prior to that one season with Philly, he had played in only 7 games the previous 2 seasons combined. At that point, he had more seasons under his belt when he didn't play 11 games than when he did. No Pro Bowl Selections, hadn't yet played in a postseason game (still hasn't).

Still commanded a 1st and a 4th.

But you're right, the reigning Super Bowl MVP who has a career postseason passer rating of 113.2 couldn't possibly be valued anywhere near as valuable. lol

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

B-b-b-b-b-but Nick Foles won SUPER BOWL MVP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also Super Bowl MVP winners: Joe Flacco, Eli Manning (twice lol), Malcolm Smith, Dexter Jackson, Deion Branch, so on.

Chem PhD '16

lol keep shooting your shot, bro. Eventually it'll fall, even if it ain't today

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

So, you're not admitting that you spewed out incorrect stats to prove your emotional narrative?

He's not and he downvoted you to boot, lol

Chem PhD '16

Not at all... Amused that y'all are getting so bent out of shape that the Super Bowl Champions rightfully value their Super Bowl MVP at a high price to acquire his services.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

You're moving the goalposts now.... First it was that the Jets or Cardinals wouldn't find the asking price so ridiculous, now it's that the Eagles are justified in having a ridiculously high asking price. Stick to an argument lol

Chem PhD '16

I couldn't care less about where Nick Foles goes. I only jumped in to point out you were incorrect about Bradford. Now you're playing the "u mad bro?" card instead of admitting you were incorrect. Shrug.

This is so annoying

Chem PhD '16

But you're right, the reigning Super Bowl MVP who has a career postseason passer rating of 113.2 couldn't possibly be valued anywhere near as valuable. lol

You're right, because the Super Bowl MVP is not the same thing as the NFL MVP. There are literally four years of evidence that Nick Foles is not a high level NFL starter week-in-and-week out. He had TWO GOOD GAMES last year. They just happened to be in the NFC championship game and the Super Bowl. If Nick Foles is the Eagles starter from week 1 last year, you're probably not even making the Super Bowl.

Chem PhD '16

Alright, first of all, he's played in 5 4 career playoff games. He's had a passer rating above 100 in each. In each game, including the loss to Arizona in the NFC CG New Orleans in the Divisional Round, he walked off the field after his last possession with the lead. At this point, its proven he steps his game up the bigger the stakes get. 2 postseason runs of excellent play in his only 2 chances kind of validates that.

Secondly, Foles was hurt in the preseason. He didn't have a training camp and didn't participate with the team before the regular season started. When Wentz went down, he had not taken any meaningful snaps with the 1st team offense all year. The coaching staff was very open and honest that they were treating those final regular season games as Foles' preseason as they got him on the same page as the rest of the team and adjusted the gameplan and playcalling to Foles' skill set. These are all things the coaches openly talked about. Once the playoffs started, he was on the money. You can point to the Divisional Round as a downer of a game, but if you're going to do that you must also admit that reigning NFL MVP, Matt Ryan, struggled just as bad in those same conditions. Despite the elements, Foles finished that game with a better QBR and Passer Rating than said MVP.

And this is also discounting the fact that Foles went through an incredible 2013 Season, and the only reason he didn't eclipse 3k passing yards and 30-35 TDs that season was because the Eagles went with Michael Vick for the first 3 weeks of the year before turning it over to Foles, who then proceeded to put together a Pro Bowl season. Mind you, this was done under proven shitty, shitty NFL coach Chip Kelly, which kind of makes it that much more impressive. Oh, but then he sucked in St Louis... Well, yeah... Pretty much everyone and their parents sucked ass when coached by Jeff Fisher, its what they did. Kinda telling how awful he was when both starting QBs in this year's NFC title game were the 2-deep in St. Louis when Fisher was at his worst.

But yeah, keep banging that drum that we're only focusing on the last 2 games of last year on why he's good. Doesn't make you correct.

Edit: I screwed up on some of the postseason stats... corrected

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

You coveniently forgot a whole year in Philadelphia where Foles didn't exactly light it up. But yes he did have a very impressive year under Chip Kelly and also two excellent games this postseason. As far as discounting an entire year in St Louis, that Fisher Stink didn't prevent Sam Bradford from putting up a year with 3700 yards and 20+ TDs.

Chem PhD '16

You mean the year that he had a Chip Kelly coached team at 6-2 with more Passing YPG than the previous year, despite the loss of his top receiver, DeSean Jackson, who was released in March? The year he had a season ending injury that saw the reigns passed over to Mark Sanchez, who promptly Sanchized? Only to then see the Eagles trade him to get Fisher'd in QB hell that next offseason?

Yeah, didn't forget it, but thanks for bringing it up.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

The year he threw 10 picks on 13 TDs with a sub 60% completion rate? The year his TD rate halved and his interception rate went up 500%? The year his QBR and passer rating tanked from his Pro Bowl effort the prior year?

Listen, I'm not saying that Nick Foles isn't capable of having good games, or even a good season. I've acknowledged that all along. I'm saying that the body of his career dictates that he isn't worth #6 and #107 in the upcoming draft, which is what your original assertion was and has been all along. You are using the peak of Foles's career to make your case (SUPER BOWL MVP!!!!), but you have your fan goggles on and you're missing the whole rest of the reason why he's not worth to another franchise right now what he is worth to Philly right now. All you keep doing is pointing to one good year and 4 playoff games and a Super Bowl MVP trophy.

Teams don't give up #6 and #107 for a 29 year old QB with a decidedly spotty track record. The price that Philly has set for Foles is in no way indicative of his real market value.

Chem PhD '16

On behalf of all Birds' fans, keep educating these guys!

Tweedy can run like a dadgum antelope or whatever. I like to use scalded dog. Do antelopes lumber? Cheetah, OK. He runs like a cheetah. He's fast. - Bud Foster

Why would you selectively exclude his year in Philadelphia as being relevant to the Minnesota trade? Genuinely curious about that

Edit: still genuinely curious if you have an answer, Alum

Edit: still genuinely curious

Chem PhD '16

This is fun to watch

Spiral out. Keep going

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As a non NFL fan I'm laughing like crazy

Spiral out. Keep going

Good lord, sign out for the night, and come back to the chihuahua biting at the ankles.

Obsessed much?

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Bradford deal is apples to oranges for Foles because of the context of the trade... regular season about to begin, presumed starter goes down with a potential career threatening injury, legit defense with a decidedly "open" championship window as the foundation of the team, Bradford with 2 years left on his deal at a manageable cap hit... Those picks turned into #14 last year and #131 this year.

You're going to compare trading #6 overall plus #107 for Nick Foles a month before the draft because he won a Super Bowl MVP? The difference in trade value between what you're proposing now for the Jets and what the Eagles actually got for Sam Bradford is roughly equivalent to the fourth pick in the second round (#36 overall).

You're SERIOUSLY overvaluing a Super Bowl MVP trophy. It's understandable because it's your team and you love Nick Foles because he did what no QB ever did before. (It's actually kind of cute.) But don't think that just because it would take a stupid amount of draft capital for you to give up your team's hero that any team out there is stupid enough to pay it. Not with a loaded QB draft, not with other QBs out there in free agency that only cost money and not money plus an exorbitant amount of draft picks.

Chem PhD '16

Technically, Minnesota gave Philly a 1st and a compensatory 4th. That ended up being the 14th and 139th overall picks. All for a proven, multi-year starter coming off of one of his best seasons. If the Jets gave up a 1st and a fourth this year it would be the 6th and 107th overall picks for a QB who has never started more than 11 games in a season. Not exactly the same value. The Eagles set the asking price ridiculously high because they want Foles to stay until Wentz returns.

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

While the 4th was a compensatory, it was still agreed at the time of the trade, and it was in addition to the 1st that was already agreed upon.

Rightfully so, the Eagles are looking for a similar deal to acquire Foles. They have zero qualms rolling into next season with a NFL MVP candidate at starter and the Super Bowl MVP as backup at the QB spot, with the position sucking away about $15m combined from the cap. They're telling everyone, he's available, but you're going to pay for him.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I still don't understand how you think that Nick Foles right now has the same body of work as an NFL quarterback to warrant the compensation that the Eagles got for Sam Bradford when they traded him.

Chem PhD '16

Alum, why even keep arguing with this guy?

Oh woe is us, we only have the Super Bowl MVP as our backup!! The Eagles don't need to trade him and made it clear that it would take a lot to make them move from that position.

Bradford is garbage. Anyone that would suggest that Sam Bradford has proven more in the NFL doesn't know what they are talking about. My 4 year old son has a better build then Bradford. And that's not a knock on Sammy Sleeves, good for him making a LOT of money, its more a knock on a fellow poster who I have not downvoted yet but really feel like due to his tone.

The Eagles will be paying less for a possible MVP candidate and the insurance policy of a Super Bowl winning MVP at QB, for less than a lot of teams are paying for one QB. Set the price high, and wait till week 5-6 when some GM gets nervous to pull trigger.

Other than the playoff and super bowl wins, SB MVP, and the best TD to INT ratio in NFL history? And he's cheaper and healthier.

For all of Sam's statistical accomplishments, he has never won anything at the pro level other than a few regular season games. And as of Arizona's signing, he's had 4 teams to prove it.

Tweedy can run like a dadgum antelope or whatever. I like to use scalded dog. Do antelopes lumber? Cheetah, OK. He runs like a cheetah. He's fast. - Bud Foster

Soo essentially a three game run on a GREAT team and thats it? That's the entirety of your statistical case.

Bradford has more yards, touchdowns, and better completion percentage.

But I guess "he just wins tho" is the new stat to measure a QB.

No one said that.

The question is why would the Eagles hold out for a better offer for Foles than they got for Bradford.

Asked and answered. Nobody cares about what Bradford won't accomplish at the next stop on his "making a ton of money for achieving nothing" tour. Your opinion as Not an NFL GM is irrelevant. The Eagles got a 1st and a 4th for Bradford. They don't need to trade Foles. Therefore, why trade Foles for less than they got for Bradford unless they have to.

Hey this isn't an accusation, however has anyone (throughout this entire discourse) bothered to remember that gob gob is a Giants fan??

#FUENTEenFUEGO
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Yes we already assumed he has no clue what he is talking about :)

Congratulations on your Super Bowl win. Take my word for it that three is so much better 😉👉

Chem PhD '16

Wait, the Giants won 4.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
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Three in my lifetime that I remember though

Chem PhD '16

So because you either a) weren't alive or b) don't remember, then it doesn't count?? Weird.

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I don't know what my team winning four super bowls feels like because I have only experienced my team winning a super bowl three times. This isn't difficult.

Chem PhD '16

The way you phrased it came across as dismissive and totally disregarding of their first SB W. As a blue fan I automatically assumed you'd take pride in the sum total of the franchise's accomplishments, regardless of when you hopped on board.

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Keep it going guys....we need this to get even skinnier....

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

OMG YOURE RIGHT! it doesn't look so bad on mobile but on my desktop it's kinda ridiculous hahaha

Chem PhD '16

That's what she said

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

How do you up-vote a skinny, out of the margin comment on a iPad? The vote box does not show up!!!

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

good luck!

Chem PhD '16

That still doesn't make Nick Foles worth #6 and #107.

Just because the Eagles' valuation of Nick Foles is incredibly and remarkably high doesn't mean that any NFL team would be justified in paying that price.

The price has little to do with that he would be worth to another NFL team vs what he means to the Eagles right now. My non-expert opinion as Not an NFL GM makes me just as qualified to call it stupid as Alum and AZ's non-expert opinions as Not NFL GMs and Blinded By One Game Eagles Fans qualifies them to call it justified.

Obviously Nick Foles right now is as valuable to the Eagles as Sam Bradford was, but there is little to no evidence that any other team would so value him. Or that they should. Nick Foles isn't winning the Jets a super bowl and they would be imbeciles to trade #6 and #107 for him.

Chem PhD '16

The most well thought out and succinct post in this argument. Have a leg.

Edit: grammar matters

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Blinded By One Game

5 playoff games, career postseason passer rating 113.5.... But yeah, we're only focused on the SB... lol

And you'd think a Giants fan would know to take a back seat when it comes to criticizing other fans for valuing single games or postseason runs over the sum of all parts.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Take a back seat? It makes me pretty darn qualified to call you out for your homerism, dontcha think? I'm not arguing and have never argued that Eli is an elite QB because of two Super Bowl MVPs... Because I know that Super Bowl MVPs are worthless and don't mean anything in the long run outside of sentimental value for the player/team/fanbase of the winner 🙄

Chem PhD '16

Except the argument was about Foles' worth as compared to Bradford. Sounds like an actual GM paid that price for Bradford but no one is knocking for Foles. Interesting that is the case. Once again, congrats on the ring but your fan card is showing.

Dude, we get it. You and Gob Gob are the ones missing the point.

Again, no one is suggesting that Nick Foles is a superstar. The point simply being that the Eagles have an asset that they value, and if no one wants to offer what they think he is worth, they are more than content to keep him. And the best part is they literally have no pressure to trade him.

But to your point, an NFL GM was willing to pay that price for Bradford because their starting QB tore his knee up randomly in practice 2 weeks before the season started, with a team that had a really good defense and offensive pieces.. If some freak occurrence like that happened again, how much would you be willing to bet that the Eagles wouldn't be getting calls and offers for Foles?

It's like context isn't even a thing...

A trade commodity only has value if someone is willing to pay that. No one is willing to pay that for Foles. Full stop.

Regardless of your bias view of Foles, he is statically worse than Bradford. But yes, context matters. A team would have to be in even more dire need to pay the Eagles their outrageous price for Foles.

You can come back here and gloat all you want if I'm wrong. But it looks like the QB market is calming down and not even a rumor of trading for your precious Foles.

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Who is gloating? You really are making a fool of yourself at this point for some reason I can not understand.

For starters, I never said Foles was better than Bradford. But at this point I am intrigued by your obsession on this topic.

My "precious Foles"? OK dude. Bear in mind I wasn't the one that said Super Bowl MVPs have sentimental value, that was the Giants fan above. My point has been the Eagles can trade Foles or not, and either is fine by me. Sorry you are being so strangely obsessive about it.

Your point and Alum's point are decidedly different, then. Because he originally stated that the Jets might survey the current QB market and decide that giving up #6 and #107 wasn't too bad of an idea. That's decidedly different context than the Bradford trade, and the two situations are such that the Foles Trade he proposed by definition couldn't have the same kind of context as the Bradford trade.

Wrt the SB MVP, I'm arguing that it only has sentimental value and not any real tangible value to other NFL teams.

The Jets went out and signed McCown and Bridgewater. The Cardinals went out and signed Bradford. At this point, I'd be so shocked about having to eat a jar of mayonnaise that I might just eat two if I lose that bet. Because it sure looks like neither team was willing to part with first and fourth round picks for Foles rather than sign a veteran retread.

Chem PhD '16

I said you could gloat IF I was wrong. Clearly you're the one making a fool out of yourself since you lack simple reading comprehension.

Just let him be wrong, man.

Chem PhD '16

So you actively refuse to accept why the Eagles are rightfully setting a high price on Foles, and then continue to insult anyone who keeps explaining why they have?

And AZH is the fool?

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

And I got downvoted for telling Acowne to let it go and not insult reading comprehension?

Chem PhD '16

He called me a fool by being wrong about what I said. I shot back. Facts, not unlike stats, matter.

So, you actively refuse to accept that the majority of the people reading this thread hope that you (plural) could just drop this argument? Jesus Christ, let it go, already!

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

So, you actively refuse to accept that the majority of the people reading this thread hope that you (plural) could just drop this argument?

What-you take a poll or something?

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I polled myself.

NTTAWWT.

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

Impressive reach

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Would you rather take a chance on a QB with bad stats that has won the biggest game in his sport (and played well in it), or a stat stuffer (when healthy, which is not often), who has never won even a playoff game... for your favorite franchise? Remember the point of professional football from a fans perspective is to win the Super Bowl. Not have a great QB.

And BTW. Nick Foles has the best TD to INT ratio in NFL history. And it was not during the SB run.

Tweedy can run like a dadgum antelope or whatever. I like to use scalded dog. Do antelopes lumber? Cheetah, OK. He runs like a cheetah. He's fast. - Bud Foster

Simply untrue. He held the record for best single-season TD-to-INT ratio in NFL history for three years until Tom Brady broke it in 2016.

Chem PhD '16

You are confusing winning games with having a better QB. Teams win games. Foles was on a great team and he won the prize, good for him. I'd also trade either QB for a fraction of your defensive line and interior offensive line.

He had the best TD:INT in a season (2013), correct. Yet the two years after averaged over an INT per game. He has been on four different teams now and has never proven to be a consistent QB1.

I'm happy you Philly fans finally won a super bowl, but Foles was a small piece in a much bigger puzzle. If you could look at it unbiasedly, you'd see that. I don't have a horse in this race, idgaf about where Foles or Bradford end up. But 4 games does not take away 4 years of below average stats. And again, that's why no team is even rumored to be asking about trading at that price.

Sigh, this is exhausting, the emotions of a super bowl really get in the way of y'all's rational analysis.

He's arguing with three guys at this point. If I am the poster who's tone makes you want to downvote me than go right ahead. I simply suggested that the 6th and 107th picks are not the same as the 14th and the 139th and that Bradford's history at the point of the trade were not the same as Foles.

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

To be fair, I framed it as "Nick Foles now" vs "Sam Bradford at the time of the Minnesota trade". The only thing Foles has is two good playoff games and a less extensive injury history. It hardly makes him worth even more in draft capital.

Chem PhD '16

I for one look forward to the Eagles blowing the doors off the Vikings again when they announce that will be the season opener on Thursday night in Philly.

Quick note to add, the Always Sunny episode that produced the .gif in the original post was on last night on Viceland, as Sweet Dee and Dennis talk in the abandoned mental institution.

The full conversation is pure gold as an Eagles fan. Dennis keeps complaining that the institution got shut down, and when Dee researches that it was due to a lack of funding, Dennis starts complaining about paying more taxes, and then Dee mentions how the city used the money to build the Eagles practice facility, and Dennis is fine with it...."Our boys in green can't be out there running on a bad track." - "And especially with his ankle, Shady needs a clear landing strip."

I was dying.

Go Birds

HEY LOOK!!!! THE COLTS ARE GETTING..... no one.... ever....shit!

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HEY LOOK!!!! THE COLTS ARE GETTING..... no one.... ever....shit!

FTFY

much better

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Paul Richardson to Washington on a five year deal worth up to $40m with $20m guaranteed.

Danny Amendola to Miami, as well. Terms not disclosed.

Chem PhD '16

Amendola leaving NE is surprising. I got the feeling he was their most important target behind Gronk last year. But then again, if they get Edelman back, he could be expendable? But man, that has to leave a bit of a hole for Brady.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

You have to assume that Miami was willing to pay a lot more than NE. NE will be okay - look for them to bring Dion Lewis back. Cooks, Gronk, Edelman, Hogan, Malcolm Mitchell, and James White/Dion Lewis is decent.

Chem PhD '16

When both players are healthy, Edelman is the preferred target over Amendola. I was surprised given Amendola's production the years prior to last season that they kept him on the roster since it was Amendola that was the bigger injury concern.

I think Amendola has been on the field just slightly more than Gronk. Might be less. When they first replaced Welker with Amendola, I laughed. One was Mr. Reliable, the other was Mr. Injured.

Yeah, amendola only got the run he did because of season-ending injuries to Edelman and Mitchell

Chem PhD '16

Eh I'd argue he's still a very good receiver that even with Edelman healthy was very good at his stuff just got exponentially bigger with Edelman's loss but it also doesn't hurt to have Brady throwing to you. Don't be surprised to see his production drop in Miami if they can't add some help

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Sam Bradford (or more appropriately, the exoskeleton shell of the man formerly known as Sam Bradford) will sign with the Cardinals.

Terms - 1 year, $20m contract. $15m guaranteed

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Jets are deep in negotiations with Teddy Bridgewater. Sounds like he's going to end up signing there.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Guess they decided that #6 and #107 for Nick Foles still sounded like a terrible deal even after all of this 😉

Chem PhD '16

Aww shucks, we're gonna have to stick with a proven postseason baller and current Super Bowl MVP as backup to our NFL MVP candidate. Damn, real pisser of a consolation prize.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

That doesn't make you any less wrong about the Jets or Cardinals talking themselves into that stupidly high price tag for him over signing free agent QBs. But okay 😁👍

Chem PhD '16

Jimmy Graham expected to sign with Green Bay

...That's what Maryland does.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

Jordy Nelson is being released by Green Bay

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Malcolm Butler to the Titans on a 5/$61m deal with $30m in guarantees

Chem PhD '16

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

The Packers have reportedly agreed to terms with Muhammad Wilkerson! Deal is 1 year @ $5M with potentially another $3M in incentives. Really like this deal for the Packers.

Coming from a Packers fan, is this what y'all go through every year?!

That team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

Packers fans have been on a hell of a roller coaster today jeez that being said I'm curious if NE will move for Nelson since they just cleared amendola, Lewis and no longer have butler around but I'm guessing they won't be able to offer enough

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Dion Lewis to the Titans.

Jonathan Stewart to the Giants 😑

Chem PhD '16

Still pulling for Stew. He's been one of my favorite Panthers since he was drafted. Love strong runners like him.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

I just feel like he hasn't had an effective and healthy season in a decade? He's gotta be sub-4.0 ypc the last few years and he doesn't offer hardly anything as a receiver and do we really need another Orleans Darkwa?

Chem PhD '16

He's only a year or two removed from being a real asset to Carolina. The Super Bowl appearance was aided by some good running from Stew.

Granted, he has lost a step or two. So yeah, I understand why you're not that excited at this point. I still hope he has a little left in the tank.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

I am surprised that Kyle Fuller is all of a sudden so coveted since there were reports before this season of the Bears basically benching him, if not outright cutting him. What changed?

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

This past season happened. Bears declined his fifth year option and then he balled out during the season in his contract year.

Chem PhD '16

For one thing, it appears as though management is beginning to remove their brains from their fartholes. Another thing, he's a Fuller.

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Looks like Carlos Hyde to the Browns. Maybe they won't take Barkley after all?

Chem PhD '16

Couple morning updates on the Eagles.

So apparently they restructured Michael Bennett's contract last night. Won't get into the terms (boring) but the more noteworthy aspect of this was that the 2018 cap hit actually rose by about $1.7m. Odd...

They agreed to a 5-yr extension with LB Nigel Bradham. (Update: contract is 5 years, $40m) Immediately after this news broke, it came out they are now shopping Mychal Kendricks... again...

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

At this point, I'm going to give Howie the benefit of the doubt on any moves, because the guy is a cap wizard. And keeping Joe Douglas around may actually be the underrated move of the entire offseason.

The Eagles are going to have 20 out of 22 starters (you're a good man Torrey Smith) from last year back. Pending any additional moves of course, but that's oftentimes the first thing you see after a SB win, the team losing several key parts right away. The other starter to go is likely Curry, but he is being replaced by a better player in Bennett.

Even so, I'm still sad that our backup QB is only a Super Bowl MVP that nobody values, jokes on us I guess...

The joke is only on you if you think your backup QB actually has a fair (and actually mildly attractive, given the free agent market) market value of #6 and #107 in the draft, which Alum definitely does and you evidently do.

Having said that, I don't understand the Bradham extension unless Kendricks absolutely goes. I think it's feasible to just cut him given his contract, but a trade would obviously be more desirable to get something back. Curry was already a candidate to go, but even more so now.

Chem PhD '16

Give it a rest man.

It was fun to argue at first, but it's tiresome now. Nobody said Foles was worth that. What we (accurately) said was that the Eagles set their own valuation of him there, because they were under no need to trade him. He has a reasonable cap hit for what is bar none the best backup QB situation in the entire league.

Why you simply can't understand the approach of "We want to keep Nick Foles, but we will trade him if someone makes us an offer we can't refuse" is beyond me, and I am done with this conversation.

I concede. The joke is not on you. However, Alum 100% did say that Foles was worth it given the FA market for QBs, Foles having a Super Bowl MVP, and the Eagles trading Bradford for a first and a fourth 2 years ago. He literally made all of those arguments as to why it wouldn't be crazy for the Jets or Cardinals to make that trade.

I'll let it go at that, and if the Jets or Cardinals trade this year's first and fourth to the Eagles for Nick Foles, I will still upload a video of myself eating two jars of mayonnaise. There's a reason I called "the offer we can't refuse" an Eagles fan fantasy.

Edit: I legged you for you edit.

Chem PhD '16

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Chem PhD '16

Give it a rest man. It was fun to argue at first, but it's tiresome now.

Can't stop! Won't stop! Buck, buck lau!
I'm just kidding. I've neither a dawg, bird or mythological fairy-tale creature in this fight.

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Looks like the cap experts were wrong and there isn't any change to Bennett's cap hit for 2018, as it was always going to be the higher number.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

dammit people, even the collapsed posts are taking up my whole screen. get a room.

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Jerick McKinnon to 49ers on a whopping 4 year $30m contract. No word on guarantees but that is staggering.

Chem PhD '16

Not bad for a converted option QB out of Georgia Southern. The #1 back being hurt all the time while he was in Minnesota give him plenty of opportunities and he seized them.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Giants agree to a 4 year $62m deal with OT Nate Solder, with a Very High $35m in guarantees. Highest paid tackle in the league. Thank God the Ereck Flowers experiment is finally over.

Chem PhD '16

Can't agree more, I hope they move him to RT, I think him and Solder would work well to revamp the line. Hoping Gettleman keeps working at bringing in those trench positions.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Ereck Flowers? I hope they move him to right bench

Chem PhD '16

I hear you, but we need warm bodies at this point, unless we waste that #2 pick on a guard...

I'm hoping that waste of time Johnathan Stewart signing doesn't spell the end for the Barkley to NY talk...

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

I wouldn't take Nelson at #2, but I WOULD consider trading back into the 5/6 range to take him there. I think Giants probably go QB at 2, but if Barkley is there and Gettleman isn't blowing smoke about trying to be competitive over the remainder of Eli's contract, then things could get interesting. Is this team going to be competitive over the remainder of Eli's contract? Doubtful.

Chem PhD '16

I like Nelson for sure around 5 or 6, so long as we can accumulate some more picks for this year's draft. I think we need to give Davis Webb a shot if the tape looks halfway decent, rather than spending another top pick on a QB. If we stay at #2 I want Barkley or Chubb, I think both of those players immediately provide an impact for the team, day one!

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

DB DJ Hayden to the Jaguars for 3/$19m with $9.5m guaranteed

Chem PhD '16

Julius Peppers is rumored to be re-signing in Carolina for another season

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Confirmed.

1 year, 5 million, 2.5 guaranteed.

Also Breeland looks to be wrapping up for Carolina as well. ~3.7M 2018 cap hit. That's a good deal for an upgrade over Worley.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

Couple major releases just announced:

Tyrann Mathieu has been released by Arizona
Jeremy Maclin has been released by Baltimore

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

so...does honey badger care?

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Tyrann Mathieu come on down, the Colts would love to have you.

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Rumors have it that there is mutual interest between him and the Giants

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Of Course there is..... SHIT

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As soon as I seen he got released I figured with his age and our need for safety help he'd get a call from the Giants. I fully expect us to overpay for a 5'9" safety...

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Has NFL free agency always been this insane or is this volume of moves the new normal?

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

I think the volume of moves is roughly similar to year's past, but I think they are all happening in a shorter time frame (hell, the period isn't even supposed to start until 4pm today). But I have no evidence of any of this, just how it feels.

Free agency is always a little crazy, but this year particularly due to the number of available QBs. Also a QB of Kirk Cousins's profile (29 years old, clean injury history, Pro Bowl quality) has never hit unrestricted free agency before.

Also the cap has gone up again and teams are much more able to fit in salaries via trade -- the trades are so far the biggest change from years past to me. The newest CBA with fifth year options and rookie deals has done a lot to help teams create market inefficiencies and find value in places they never would have or could have before.

Chem PhD '16

Joe Thomas officially announces his retirement.

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

RIP Tyrod

Chem PhD '16

Dude was the best player on the worst team for his entire career. At least most non-casual NFL viewers appreciated his talent.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Sucks for Tyrod. For once your team may not be a dumpster fire and you retire.... just makes my head hurt.... I mean it is what it is but he's been with a stinker for ever.

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Lets say the hypothetical happens and every move the Browns make this year hits and they make the playoffs.

Does the Joe Thomas story immediately not become one of the most tragic in NFL history?

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Sorta like Tiki Barber?

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Did the injury from this past season affected his decision? I just wonder if he didn't get injured that this could have been a different story.

"Oi! What's a Horkie"
"I am ya Grot!"

"Horkies were made for two fings foighten' and winnen'" - Horkie Warboss

Folks who actually follow the Browns can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the rumor only started circulating after he went out for the season last year.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Before he went down last year, I had heard a rumor or two that management was debating shipping out there best player for picks. I thought I remembered hearing that Joe was very opposed to being shipped out without his input after years of loyalty and hard work.

That said I am never going to forget they had to change the draft because of him. Cleveland negotiated his contract and he signed it two days before the draft as the #1 pick. As such, on the day of the actual draft he went fishing... There was ZERO surprise for the first pick and the NFL was pissed.

I think you may have him mixed up, he did go fishing, but he was drafted third.

Thomas was the model of consistent excellence for the Browns, from the day they drafted him third overall out of Wisconsin in 2007 until he tore his triceps tendon on Oct. 22 of last season.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Yup. If he was third, he was third.

Now, I am trying to remember if it was somebody else that signed ahead of the draft...

Your memory serves you in that there was definitely a #1 pick that was in effect signed before the draft actually happened. But as I get old I can't remember who it was either.

JaMarcus Russell and Calvin Johnson went 1-2 to the Raiders and Lions respectively.

Trumaine Johnson to the Jets for a eye-popping 5 years, $72.5m deal with $34m in guarantees.

Chem PhD '16

Patrick Robinson is heading to the Saints

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Good for him. I would have liked to see him stay, but no chance the Eagles were giving him that contract for a 30+ year old CB that finally had a really good year. He was a great fit for their system, but I think they feel good enough about the CBs they have.

His pick 6 in the NFC Championship will go down as one of the most important plays in franchise history in my opinion.

That play changed the whole playoff run. Second only to the strip sack against Brady to most important plays of the season for the team

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I would have it as:

1) BG strip sack
2) Philly Special
3) Robinson Pick 6

The Brandon Graham play was probably the most important play in Philadelphia Eagles history, because everyone watching that game knew what was going to happen if the Eagles didn't find a way to make a stop.

The Philly Special, goes without saying. One of the best playcalls given the situation. 'Ah screw it, lets throw it to Nick who has only gone out for one pass in his entire (college and NFL) career"

But the Pick 6 took the lid of the Linc after watching the Vikings drive down pretty easily and the game was over at that point.

I went apeshit in my house on the strip sack. My wife started to comment and my dad told her to let it go, it was 30+ years of frustration being purged at once. The funny thing is, my math was wrong and I thought the FG would put us up 9 so I thought that play sealed the deal. Once I realized it was only 8 I went back to praying gibberish. That said, I knew it was over when NE tried that unbelievably stupid reverse on the kickoff. At that point it was just a process in letting the clock bleed.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Alum, I wonder if I'll be as proud of my Hokies as you are of your Eagles once we win our first MNF. I'm a Giants fan, and prior to Wentz I literally hated the Eagles, mostly because a old work buddy of mine loved them so much and was so pompous about it (as if they won 4 titles already). Oh and Desean Jackson pissed me off so much. But after Jackson left, and Wentz came in, my hate died down, and I can bear them now. It was hard rooting for them in the SB, but there was no way in hell I was rooting for TB12. So I say all of that to say, I hope I'm just as proud as you are of my Hokies when CJF gets us that first title. Cause you been everywhere on this site with your Eagle love, and I'm not throwing shade when I say that. 30 years of anguish makes it well deserved

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

In the current environment, the only thing, to me, that could top a SB title would be if Tech wins a natty, but it would seriously be close.

I don't think people quite understood how much a SuperBowl would mean to the Philly fanbase before it happened. (I mean clearly Nike didn't, there hasn't been stock of any Nike Eagles gear since the game ended online anywhere). People said it was like the Cubs and RedSox winning, but I would say that, to those fans, it was even moreso. Yeah, the drought was only 58 years (as opposed to 86 or 102) but any Eagles fan over 30 had watched every team in the NFC East win the SuperBowl multiple times, and have taken endless amounts of shit for it. Endless. It would be like watching Virginia, Miami, West Virginia all roll off multiple CFB titles over the next 20 years while we can't get out of our own way. Watching the SB win was cathartic for the entire region.

Now, the other side is... Oh, being around Eagles fans over the next 3-5 years is going to be unbearable, especially if they are able to continue this run (and judging from the way this offseason is proceeding, there's no reason to think they won't). Eagles fans have been the punchline for a very, very long time, and believe you me, turnabout is only going to be fair play. (Reason 1a why you need to tune into Day 2 of the NFL Draft in Dallas this year).

But yeah... as long as college sports keeps on this big run, a Tech title would be the pinnacle. That might be the time I actually drop the coin to attend that kind of game.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Now, the other side is... Oh, being around Eagles fans over the next 3-5 years is going to be unbearable

Being around eagles fans was already unbearable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chem PhD '16

At least we have a reason now

I mean... you're not wrong

lol it cracked me up before the game how people were cheering for the Iggs because they were sick and tired of Pats fan.... Oh, you poor clueless souls, you had no idea what you were signing up for.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Yeah I get ya, I mean most Eagle fans are pretty annoying, but like I said since Jackson left and Wentz showed up, I actually don't mind them nearly as much. I'm a big Yankees fan, so anything Boston: Celtics, Red Sox, Bruins, Patriots, people gets my skin boiling. But the Eagles have found a nice little gray area spot between hatred and can deal with. Granted next season this all could change if my Giants actually make an effort to be competitive.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Haha you know you're right, it's gonna be rough. I mean, I throw up in my mouth a little every time I see your profile pic (which is in nearly every corner of this site now)... that beautiful, majestic VT sullied in such a way.... for shame.

Bacon strips &
bacon strips &
bacon strips &
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"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I, for one, think it's glorious. In Madden, I often played as the Eagles but changed their colors to Orange and Maroon.

Oh no

Spiral out. Keep going

and believe you me, turnabout is only going to be fair play. (Reason 1a why you need to tune into Day 2 of the NFL Draft in Dallas this year).

I think Howie is going to find a way to get back into the 2nd or 3rd round specifically to have a Brian Dawkins or some other such figure go up there and say "With the xxx pick of the Draft, the Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles select..."

Just to give them some hell in Dallas like the Cowboys player did last year.

Eric Ebron cut by Lions

Chem PhD '16

All this has my head spinning

#Let's Go - Hokies

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

AJ McCarron to Bills

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My assumption is that Buffalo is trying to maneuver similar to the Eagles a few years ago, and turn their draft assets into a high pick to take a QB.

But if they arn't able to pull it off, they are going to be in trouble if McCarron is the QB they have to sell to their delusional fan base.

Yeah, they trade up from 21 to 12 was a pretty clear signal that they're gonna try to trade up in the first round again.

Chem PhD '16

Yep. McCarron better release the ball Brady-quick.

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Tyler Eifert back to the Bengals on a 1 year prove-it deal

Dolphins sign guard Josh Sitton

Raiders release Crabtree and reportedly agree to terms with Jordy Nelson and Doug Martin

Edit: evidently Jordy Nelson not a done deal, Saints tryna get him too

second edit: Jordy to Raiders on 2 year deal

Chem PhD '16

Jordy was making too much for the Packers to keep him, but probably has another season or two in the tank.

And to think, Jordy Nelson is actually older than Megatron.

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

Carolina signs Dontari Poe to a 3 year deal per multiple sources.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

Redskins re-signed Zach Brown to a 3 year $24 million deal. Excited that he is coming back.

Wait for it... waaaaiiiiit for it...

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

According to ESPN: Kyle Fuller to the Packers unless the Bears can match the offer.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

Bears matched their 4 year, $56m offer. Looks like he will get $29m guaranteed and will be like the fifth highest paid corner in the league.

My goodness. His season could not have played out better.

Next week is my spring break. I'll have the first 2018 Hokies in the pros board up at some point next week. So be on the lookout with any roster moves I miss and let me know.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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This gives the Colts four top-50 picks this year plus an extra second rounder next year. Good move for the Colts to trade down only 3 spots and still be in position for a Day One starter... could be a DB or G Quentin Nelson

Chem PhD '16

I understand the salary dump, but the lack of pass rushers besides Vernon is not so great!

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Not that much of a salary dump. Giants are saving $12.5 million, but he's still counting $15 million in dead money against the cap. (Wouldn't mind for someone to explain how that works.)

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/3/22/17151412/jason-pierre-paul-trade-giants-buccaneers

Read elsewhere that the Giants are transitioning to a 3-4, and he might not fit in as well in that scheme.

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Dead money is money that counts against the cap as guarantees such as signing bonus or roster bonus. Other money saved is nonguaranteed salary.

It is a scheme fit issue with a 3-4 as well as a salary cap thing moving forward. Getting a third round pick this year for the salary off the books moving forward frees up a whole lot of cap space to extend Odell and Collins when they're due to get paid. Next year also offers logic opportunity to get out of deals for Eli, Snacks, and Vernon.

Don't believe anyone saying that the Giants will replace JPP with Chubb at 2, because there is obvious room for both on the roster if Chubb is good enough on Day One to push JPP for playing time as a pass rusher. They don't grow on trees and a long list of super bowl winners in recent memory were built on having a deep pass rush.

If anything, this trade primes the Giants to take a QB at 2, have a last hurrah this season for Eli and then move on after next season with rookie-contract QB, Odell and Collins locked up long term, and a boatload of cap space.

Chem PhD '16

It's frees up more space for next year, not this year. He also doesn't fit the scheme.

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Eagles have signed WR Mike Wallace to a 1 yr $2.5m contract

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I like the signing. Low risk, high upside signing. Alshon and Wallace on the outside with Nelson in the slot and Ertz owning the middle of the field. Good receiving corp. Wallace isn't the burner he once was, but I see 1-2 years left in the tank for a guy that played well on an awful Ravens offense.

Loved his presser. Said that when he was younger he was looking to get paid. He came to the Eagles for less money to specifically to play with Wentz and go after a ring.

Let that sink in, players want to play for the Eagles for a shot at a Super Bowl....

This is a "in case Tyrod gets hurt in the first 8 games and our top 5 draft pick QB isn't ready to play" situation.

Drew is a consistent back up but he isn't better than Tyrod. Granted, Logan Thomas could never pass him on the depth chart, but then again, Logan Thomas is no longer a QB in the league.

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and there I was hoping that this was a "ok, we got our starter in Tyrod and a solid backup so now we can use those picks for RB and Oline."

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I wish the Browns would not draft a QB, at least not until the later rounds, and would get a RB and OLine in the first round. But this is the Browns and guessing what they are going to do in a draft is pointless.

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95% of what I say is sarcastic. The other 5% is usually taken out of context.

You and me both.

Discussion is they may pick Saquan. That would be good for TT since it would shift some focus to the RB.

#Let's Go - Hokies

Crazy random thought.

Browns take Darnold #1. I would rather Barkley, but Cleveland is what Cleveland does and that is reach for QB's.
Bills trade up to take the #4 pick with two other first round picks that they have acquired.

Browns then trade those two picks for Odell. A) they have the money to give him the contract he wants. B) that gives them one of the best WR in the NFL. C) Giants have said they want 2 first rounders publicly, egg on giants face if they reneg.

Redskins trade Su'a Cravens to the Broncos.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/28/sua-cravens-trade-washington-redskins-denver-broncos-draft-picks

From the article:

Denver also receives a fourth- and fifth-round pick in this year's draft (Nos. 113 and 149). Washington gets a fourth (No. 109), two fifths (Nos. 142 and 163) and a conditional 2020 sixth-round pick.

So, Washington gets a fifth, a conditional sixth, and move up 4 and 7 spots in the fourth and fifth rounds. Not much of a haul, there.

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Anything for a guy who hasn't played in a year and has said he's considering retirement isn't terrible though.

Chem PhD '16

But do we get to keep Mia Khalifa, or nah?

Patriots have agreed to trade Brandin Cooks and a fourth rounder this year to the Rams for this year's first (#23 overall) and a sixth rounder.

Per Barnwell at ESPN, regarding the Patriots getting Cooks last year and trading him this year:

It sure did turn out to be a nifty piece of business, though. If we assume that the sixth-rounder is L.A.'s initial pick (No. 198), the Patriots picked up what amounts to the 33rd pick of the draft according to the Chase Stuart chart as part of this deal. The trade they made with the Saints last year sent the equivalent of the 29th pick in draft capital to New Orleans for Cooks. The difference between those two picks is somewhere around the 199th selection, a fateful number for Patriots fans. Belichick basically rented Cooks for a year, paid him less than $1.6 million during a season when his top two wideouts -- Julian Edelman and Chris Hogan -- were healthy for a combined total of eight games, and spent a late sixth-round pick in the process. He's good at this.

Chem PhD '16

Not a lot of people like Belichick but damn if he isn't one of the best coaches.

...That's what Maryland does.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

Fire up the media circus. Probably won't see the field behind an elite starting QB anyway.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

However, I still don't understand why we signed RG3. Maybe ownership feels bad because we ended his last career?

I appreciate all the support, and I appreciate all the hate I am getting. I will continue to work as hard as I can to be the best I can be and bring this team a championship. Go Hokies 🐔 - Josh Jackson

What media circus? There is no way signing a mobile QB in Baltimore could in any way have negative repercussions. Howeva none of that matters since as you said there is already an ELITE QB there

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...That's what Maryland does.

I don't give a damn what the fans think cause, quite frankly, I know what the fans want better than they do.

Probably won't see the field behind an elite starting QB anyway.

Who, Flacco? Elite?

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The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

When did Baltimore get an Elite QB? They have a mediocre who gets paid like he is elite.

Maybe they think he can transition to WR. Don't know how much of his speed he's lost due to injuries. I know that they are totally different body types, but it seems to have worked somewhat for Tyrelle Pryor.

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

Or perhaps a TE?

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He's signed to be a backup QB because they don't have one currently. Just Flacco and a practice squad body on the roster at QB

Chem PhD '16

The Rams-Patriots trade is really nice for both teams.

I know that giving up a 1st is a lot, but a consistent vertical threat was really the one piece the Rams offense needed. Consider along with their defensive additions and they could be the NFC favorite if all of those talents they added gel. That's certainly a moderately large "if" with guys like Peters and Suh, but as an Eagles fan I did not like seeing that trade go down.

As for the Patriots, I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see them use the draft capital they have now to trade up in the first round and nab a QB if they have someone they think is worth it. My neighbor is a huge Patriots fan, and he and his dad are convinced that Belichick is still salty that he was made to trade Jimmy G rather than Brady last season by the front office. I think getting a good young QB is still high on the list for him.

Realisticly they can only get far enough to get Lamar Jackson, or wait for Mason Roudolph. They don't have nearly as much fire power to get up into that top 6 where the 4 QBs will likely be taken.

The Bills are having a hard enough time and they are sitting at 12!

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Said it below, I want the Bills to trade 12 and 22? to the Browns. That should get them to #4.

They absolutely do have "enough", but maybe not enough to blow away any other team's offer (lookin at u, buffalo)

Jets got #3 for #6, #37, #49 and next year's second.

Patriots have #23, #31, #43, and #63 coming in the first two rounds. Any team going by the Chase Stuart model would be getting a premium to trade their first rounder for that. The JJ draft chart pegs that at around pick #3.

The Chase Stuart combined AV is 46.1 That is roughly double the Chase Stuart value of the Colts pick at #6 (23.4). It wouldn't shock me for the Colts to actually trade down again, given their weak roster with no real depth. If they theoretically took the above mentioned Pats offer, they will have turned #3 into #23, #31, #37, #43, #49, and #63 with an additional second next year from the Jets. (Plus their own second rounder at #36.) That would give them plenty of draft picks to either fill out their roster, or move back into the first round to get someone else they like.

Edit: for reference, the Bills hypothetical package of #12, #22, #53 and #56 is worth 52 pts of AV on the Chase Stuart model.

Chem PhD '16

Mel Kiper has the Bills taking Tremaine Edmunds #12 and Lamar Jackson #22 in his latest mock draft

Interesting.

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Fuck the Bills, I think that all Hokies should tell them to go kick sand. I know that is really dumb and not smart but they are not a smart organization. They did Tyrod dirty and I don't wanna see any other Hokie in that organization.

Which means Tremaine won't be going to the Bills, and that they're probably going to trade those two picks.

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Looks like the chances for Tremaine going in the top 10 just improved. 49ers might be looking harder at linebacker...

49ers LB Reuben Foster - Three Felony Charges

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The Cowboys just released Dez Bryant. While it does free up $8.5M in cap space, it also saddles them with $8M in dead money going forward. In fact, with this release, the Cowboys will be spending $22.5M in cap space on players who are no longer on the team. Ouch

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Saw a tweet that the Panthers traded Worley largely because they questioned his drive and commitment. A month before he gets arrested and tased. If that's accurate, still a solid move by Hurney (who I am so far pretty happy with in his second stint as GM in Carolina).

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

He got drunk, drove, passed out at a stoplight, and then tried to fight the police when they showed up. Yeah, I'd say he more than earned getting cut. From everything I was hearing, he was going to be a long shot to make the roster anyway. No guaranteed money, so it doesn't cost the Eagles anything to kick him out. That being said, I don't think he'll be making a roster anytime soon. Guy has a superstar attitude with a bench player's skill.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I'm still pissed about Carolina not drafting Kendall Fuller in Worley's spot...

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

Finally, here's the mock I've been waiting for. PFF is always a little different from the "experts" in how they rank their players, maybe because they use actual data to do so. Anyways, it's always a bit of a different take.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-pffs-2018-live-seven-round-all-analyst-mock-draft

Some interesting (to me) notes:
- Only the first two rounds were up today, rounds 3-7 will be up tomorrow
- Baker Mayfield has been their #1 for a while now, QBs go 1-3 (Mayfield, Darnell, Rosen)
- Other QBs are Lamar Jackson to Bills, Mason Rudolph to Broncos, and Josh Allen to Steelers (see trades)
- "Aside from QB play, coverage stands as the most powerful predictor of winning in the NFL..." I'd have thought that would be pass rush, given the positional focus
- I like the Falcons going WR (Calvin Ridley) and DT (see below)

A few trades:
- Chargers traded up to 9 (giving 49ers their 1st and 2nd) to get Maurice Hurst, who PFF is very high on
- Patriots traded up to 13 (Redskins trade 1st and 4th for Patriots 1st (23) and 2nd) to get Bradley Chubb. Who Washington picked will make your jaw drop! ;^)
- Broncos traded up to 28 (Steelers trade 1st and 3rd for Broncos 2nd, 3rd, and 4th) to get Mason Rudolph
- Steelers traded up to 31 (giving Patriots their 2nd (from Broncos) and 5th) to get Josh Allen
- Sum of last two trades: Steelers drop back three in first round, move up 21 spots in the 3rd, and swap a 5th for a 4th.

Hokies:
1-20 (Lions) - Tremaine Edmunds: "He posted six sacks in each of his last two seasons at Virginia Tech despite a primarily off-the-ball role and last year he posted a coverage grade of 81.0 while also owning the ninth-best run-stop percentage (12.5) among all FBS linebackers." Nice pull.
2-58 (Falcons, yay!) - Tim Settle: "...Settle represents value here with his high upside. There are some concerns with conditioning, but he should be an early contributor replacing plenty of the snaps lost by Dontari Poe."
2-64 (Browns, trade from Eagles) - Greg Stroman: "Excellent coverage grades the past two seasons and ridiculous coverage numbers in 2017 (26.8 passer rating allowed, 25.5 catch rate) make this an easy selection."

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that can't be right, there are no wahoos on that list.../s

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A few more Hokies in rounds 3-7:
3-65 (Bills) - Wyatt Teller: "A player who is not receiving as much attention as he deserves during the pre-draft process, Teller produced four impressive seasons of grading in a row at Virginia Tech, allowing just four sacks over the course of his college career."
7-240 (Buccaneers) - Andrew Motuapuaka: "Motuapuaka enters the fold at linebacker on the heels of arguably one of the better seasons in coverage from a linebacker we've seen in four years of grading at the college level. Among all linebackers with at least 171 snaps in coverage, Motuapuaka ranked first in yards allowed per snap (0.21), snaps per reception allowed (49.9) and was second in terms of fewest YAC allowed (34). All told, he allowed a passer rating of just 31.3, second-lowest among linebackers with at least 10 targeted passes."

(But they labelled Motu as from Virginia in the text.)

And one more Hokies might be interested in:
6-213 (Vikings, compensatory) - C.J. Reavis: "A former top college prospect who found his way to Marshall after being kicked out of Virginia Tech and then starring on Netflix series 'Last Chance U.' Reavis has elite movement skills and the ability to play safety and cover the slot."

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Didn't see Terrelle Edmunds on this list. I thought I might have missed him, but not seeing him on anyone else's summary.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Yeah, he didn't show up on PFF's mock.

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Also no Cam Phillips! Interesting mock overall, chatter on one hand about Terrelle going in the first round and undrafted on this mock.

I would love to see 7 Hokies get their name called on draft day(s), but I am skeptical of Moto only because of his size.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

I want Motu drafted, only because of what it would do to Jack Crow

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Okay, I'll bite. Who is Jack Crow, and what does he have to do with Motu getting drafted?

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He's an infrequent TKP poster who dragged Motu for most of last season in spite of it being his best year of football.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

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He sure doesn't seem to like Motu, does he?

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I'm sure he also was still bemoaning Stroman's punt return skills his senior year, too.

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One nugget about Edmunds the Younger from a long(ish) article:

3. One of the strongest player/team connections I've heard over the past two weeks has linked Virginia Tech LB Tremaine Edmunds to the 49ers. Which probably means it's not happening. Edmunds, athletically, could easily slide into the KJ Wright role in San Francisco's Seattle-style defense, and he fits the bill personality-wise, too, after what just went down with Reuben Foster. "They need to go safe," said one rival exec. "And this kid is buttoned up, a great kid who'd be a very good pick for them."

Makes sense, considering the Reuben Foster mess the team is in right now. I seriously doubt he will be playing football this year.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/04/19/jon-gruden-oakland-raiders-minicamp-draft-mmqb

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I seriously doubt he will be playing football this year.


Clearly, you haven't seen a little movie called The Longest Yard?

But for reals, if he is convicted that guy is almost certainly gonna go to jail. Those aren't "misunderstanding"-type charges...

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Some more interesting Hokie nuggets in this article from cbssports.com.

Tremaine Edmunds, less than two weeks shy of his 20th birthday, is a lock to go in the top 10 from everything I am hearing and I wouldn't be shocked if he went as high as sixth overall depending on who else comes off the board. His stock has continued to soar through this process.

NFL teams might be systematically ignoring Eric Reid for some now-obvious reasons unrelated to football, but his brother is getting a lot of attention. Stanford safety Justin Reid has a legit shot at going in the first round, and the Titans have done a lot of work on safeties. Reid or Ronnie Harrison (Alabama) could be the pick there depending on how things break. And for as much attention as Tremaine Edmunds is garnering late, keep a very close eye on his brother, safety Terrell Edmunds. Teams love his makeup and athleticism more than is being let on, and the projected grades on him in the fourth/fifth round are going to look way low. I keep hearing it's possible he sneaks into the late first round, or certainly second round. The Panthers, Titans and Steelers could be a fit.

The Edmundi in the first round? Now *that* would be a nice recruiting tool!

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Peter King's Mock Draft is finally out. Has Tremaine to the Colts at 12.

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Ill take this outcome all day long!!

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Random prediction: the Patriots are going to draft the QB out of Richmond (Lauletta) in the third round, maybe the fourth round if the can make a trade to get a fourth round pick.

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

I also want to note, I was initially very critical of Darnold's long, loopy throwing motion but if you saw his pro day, you could tell he put a ton of work into fixing that. I'm impressed with the change. Time will tell if that correction sticks in real-time game situations or if he reverts to old, bad mechanics under pressure.

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)