May 2018 Recruiting Thread

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Devyn Ford could possibly be the third highest rated RB to attend VT. Kevin Jones was the number one recruit in the nation back in 2001 - 5 star. Coming out of the Philly area, we stole him from Penn State!!
Ryan Williams, was a legit 4 start, rated slightly higher than Ford. I know it's not all about the stars....but they seem to be aligning.

JP

I know it's not all about the stars....

Wait - I thought it was all about the stars.

Can we have a protracted semantic subthread conversation about it to clear it up?

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Chem PhD '16

Yeah, because I can't remember how we concluded it last time.

Any intel on this new OL from St. Thomas Aquinas (love to get some inroads there!) Jake Pope? Have we been in on him or is new for us since he lists us as warm. Big kid at 6'7 265.

Jeremiah 29:11 and Go Hokies!

I'm assuming this is a "no"

Jeremiah 29:11 and Go Hokies!

That would be correct, if your original question was, "Any intel in the next 3 hours and 48 minutes on..."

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

Judging by his name and school I believe he is a lock to Notre Dame.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

The hype surrounding Devyn Ford is absurd. Nearly every Andy Bitter article, chat, etc. mentions him. For seemingly years. His recruiting hype exceeds Da'Shawn Hand or Stephone Anthony levels. Can this possibly be justified?

Anyone know if we are still interested in tank? Not sure if things have changed recently.

We're not and that will likely not change.

4* CB from Va Beach.....

Is there any reason why?

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

he's small

Chem PhD '16

everyone keeps talking about how small he is but stro is not tall or big. they list him at 6ft on hokiesports.com but Ive stood next to this man he is 5"10" in timberlands with insoles. land still has us listed in his top 4. I know we aren't likely to get him because for all accounts it seems like "we don't want him anymore" but in the words of one of my favorite NBA players Nate Robinson (also a damn good DB) #heartoverhight I know another VA beach product that would agree.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

We're still harping on this? 4/5 of the posts on this thread have discussed this topic. Lets trust our coaches' ability to evaluate talent.

Hampton* product. Virginia Beach =/ all of Hampton Roads. There are 7 different cities and I can tell you for a fact Hampton ain't much like VB.

It's relative. To the outside, Hampton Roads is fairly homogenous

Recruit Prosim

The kid can ball, but everyone expected him to keep growing. Most ratings are hangovers from when he was a normal height for his age, now he's at too much of a size disadvantage for coaches to risk that he can make up for it with talent. 5'-8" RB? Sure. 5'-8" CB? Not so much. Can you imagine him trying to cover Bucky?

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Can you imagine him trying to cover Bucky?

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

RIP Verne btw

Chem PhD '16

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

I feel bad for any girl that Shaq dates...

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I know this wasn't directly implied by your comment, but it's very easily inferred that you would be implying it... but just for anyone out there who did infer that you were implying it, Shaq and Simone Biles aren't dating.

Chem PhD '16

His wife isn't the tallest drink of water either...

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Yeah, that's picture I've seen before...

Poor thing

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

This one is a bummer.

Loves the Hokies and would choose us were we to offer. Major athletic ability. Apparent to anyone who has seen him.

But he stopped growing in like 9th grade and now he's (almost literally) too small to play P5 D1 football. Especially at corner, especially at VT. Which reminds me...

If CJ Carroll can get meaningful run... if Kalil Pimpleton can get a scholly (I know he's gone, but)... why not Tank Land? Would his ball skills translate as a punt returner? A slot receiver? Anyone know if he has hands?

I'm asking a question, not making an assertion - I wouldn't want to take the kid just because he's a VT fan, and this staff has made it quite clear he's not in the mix. And I trust this staff re player eval implicitly. Just feels like if there's a place to have this convo, this thread is it.

(Please, PLEASE - just let us close on The Tsunami.)

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

I think Tank is unfortunately a victim of us having an unusually small recruiting class this year. We have to be pretty selective about who we use a spot on.

Exactly!!! that's the main reason he isnt already in the clubhouse. Dude is just graduating at the wrong time.

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Wasn't last year supposed to be a small recruiting class?

Haven't you heard? The numbers always work out. ;^)

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

They do. And next year is always the year VT breaks through on the recruiting trail.

But we're heading in the right direction, generating lots of good will on the recruiting trail. You have to get to these kids when they're younger to develop the relationship (eesh, this even sounds creepy in sarcasm).

Chuck Cantor's replacement:

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

3rd grade me just spit milk out of his nose.

I don't recall hearing that and I don't think it was supposed to be. I think we ended up getting more than people expected, but at the beginning of the cycle we knew we would be landing comfortably over 20 guys. This year we're looking at 17. Somebody might transfer to make room for other players to come in, but this years expectations are definitely different than last year because the last two years were such big hauls.

If he loved us so much then maybe he should have stayed committed. I'm okay not taking him. Don't like him as a corner with the mismatch possibilities due to his height. As far as moving him to the offensive side of the ball, it seems like the staff values Robinson more in the slot, and with a small class I couldn't imagine a kid getting an offer with the hopes that he may be able to return punts. Hope he finds somewhere to play and does well for himself, but I'm okay with it not being here.

Dude better commit to UMD soon before that one even gets taken.... Love the kid and it sucks for him.

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

BAG...I'm getting big time bad vibes right now on the Ford front...

Remember, Dax and Hunter went through the same thing. Penn State put on a show but he isn't gonna show his cards. We have plenty of time to keep working with him.... I'll let you know if I lose hope..

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Me exhaling after BAG said:

I'll let you know if I lose hope..

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Don't worry. Once Ford commits, the coaching staff won't be able to keep up with the flood of commits that follow:

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95% of what I say is sarcastic. The other 5% is usually taken out of context.

Perhaps my favorite episode ever, along with the "too much detergent in the washing machine" one.

Vitameatavegamin?

Do you see Ford being a domino effect for other recruits watching to see if Ford commits to us? Like do you see some guys committing earlier than what they expected to secure their spot after seeing Ford jump aboard? I have no sources whatsoever, but I think Ford is a guy that others are watching very closely.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

No. The domino effect is way, way overrated by fans. One player simply has little impact on other recruits - whether it be because he's highly ranked, somebody's best friend or 2nd cousin, or an all around good dude.

A wave - where a critical mass of good players exists - is real though and does have some impact on recruiting. But even that is really a byproduct of other things - like money and overall program perception.

I wouldn't say its 100% "no". Recruits still talk amongst each other. Now do they say everything what they are thinking when talking to the other(s), probably not. But with how close BAG and LAH are with their sources, I would like to hear from him/them.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

Maybe not 100%, but I'd be hard pressed to think of 5 players who came to Tech because someone else committed to Tech (brothers excepted).

I agree its close to 100% but from what BAG and LAH have stated, Coach Fuente and co. have told the recruits you either get on board or the train is leaving. So I think there has to be some talk amongst players on what they are thinking and how they want to go to same school, not necessary VT only in this example.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

Ok, but I'm not sure how a small class quickly filling up relates to a domino effect driven by a single player committing.

It's more of getting on board quick because its a small class whereas a bigger class there isn't as much of a rush. Just curious on what BAG or LAH thought

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

I think if Ford joins the impact wont be felt immediately. The trends are more about the guys that are already in the system when they come to visit. So QP, Dax, and Hunter will have more of an impact on the new recruits than outside 18 year olds on twitter....

Don't get me wrong Ford will recruit his butt off where ever he goes but the main reason Penn State caught up with VT for Ford is because of the guys already there and the connection he made.

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

May have to dig up my old Lee Suggs jersey to wear on May 18...

Edit: Let's keep this at 22 legs please

We'll, if I can't give you a leg, then I'll just have to give you two...

I'll take one for the team, too. People can just leg this post instead of yours. ;^)

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

Really wish we would take Tank.

Recruit Prosim

5'8" is way small on defense. Especially if he is listed at 5'8" he is probably really 5'7'. Even Tyrann Mathieu was listed at 5'9" and is considerably undersized. In year with several schollies open, I would say take him, but right now it looks like he wouldn't contribute enough to justify his scholarship.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

I understand why we aren't taking him, but to be fair, Brandon Flowers is 5'9".

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

who was that dude that we basically turned away that ended up absolutely slaying things at Alabama?

I'm pretty sure you're talking about Jonathan Allen but I'm also pretty sure that storyline was extremely biased and would take it with a mine full of salt.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I can't imagine we would ever turn a 5* recruit away for size issues, especially a defensive lineman that is over 6' tall.

And I never thought we would turn away a 4* recruit for size issues

Recruit Prosim

There are around 30 5* players in every class and over 300 4* players. Given the range of 4* players that can represent a substantially difference.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

We currently have 1 4* player in our recruiting class.

Recruit Prosim

Don't know why I do this to myself but here goes. Yes Tank was very highly rated early but has dropped as services have updated their rankings. At this point he's a 4* in the composite but is rated a 3* (87) by 247. Hawkins is actually rated 88 by 247. Hanson, Carter, Bowick, and Sainristil are all rated 86. You're agonizing over a player who is essentially rated 1 point higher than the other committed players and making the decision to put far more emphasis on a rating difference of single point over our coaches' evaluations. Given the productivity of VT defenses over the years I can't fathom why the staff shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt in this situation.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

That wasn't the problem with him. The problem was when VT first met him, he was absolutely not that size and waited to offer until he had grown. He felt slighted the entire process because VT wouldn't offer initially. He had no interest from that point forward.

Hard to imagine a 5* recruit with size issues.

Yeah hat story was ridiculously overblown. He 100% has a scholarship offer from VT but he was upset because he wasn't the first recruit we visited or something ridiculous like that.

I know this is a big month for football recruiting, but is there any noise on the basketball front? Feels like I haven't heard anything since Landers Nolley.

We probably won't hear much unless someone commits or something. Basketball recruiting has a different timeline. The early signing period for 2019 recruits isn't until November, wouldn't expect to hear much from the bigger names until summer/early fall. Much different beast since classes tend to be smaller.

Kenny Brooks is making some moves though.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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For sure, really excited to see Dara Mabrey come in next year. I'm also pretty sure I saw the 6'4" recruit he mentioned at the Hokieclub meeting, and she's a legit 6'4". Definitely taller than Magarity, who's listed at 6'3" I believe.

In person or on social media, people are constantly telling her she should have chosen the Irish.

"That drives me up a wall," she said. "These are people who don't know me or know my story. They don't see the work I put in at 5 a.m. when it's still dark."

So...don't tweet at recruits?

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We were rumored to be in the mix with some transfers but a few of them have announced their intentions- and none to VT. It's also unclear who would be leaving the roster to make room for another player, though there was some scuttlebutt with regards to Outlaw.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

In Buzz I Trust

Seriously, when it comes to recruiting, this is the one area at VT that I'm not at all worried about. At all.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Except for players over 6'7".

/ssssortofkiddingbutnotreally

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Sssssssssssssssssssspeed beats size

At least that's what I tell all the ladies

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Because you're done fast?

Recruit Prosim

He's that quick!

Have a wife and a kid. It's gotten the job done so far

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

A kid

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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She's 4 months old, but God willing she'll be a paper airplane connoisseur by the fall

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

If she gets one to hit me in Florida I'll give her, and just her props. All others will be ridiculed for the morons they are.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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On TSL free board, scuttlebutt that two are leaving. Which is odd at this time of the year, usually you hear about that in March or early April. Probably not a lot of spots open nor a lot of options for us to replace them with.

We also should be on the lookout for the next class, (2019? or 2020?). The class where we lost those three commitments, we should hopefully land 3 much better players than the twins and Mack. Should see some movement on that front in May into the summer.

Actual recruiting news - VT made Joshua Harris' (4* DT Roxboro Pearson HS, Roxboro NC) top 8 with NC State, UGA, Tennessee, Ohio State, Penn State, UNC & Clemson. NC State and UGA are the perceived leaders

Really hope we can work our way into the Top 3 convo with Harris. We need a plug and play recruit at DT to soften the blow of Walker leaving. Unless we have folks make huge strides this year, DT may be our weakest position in 2019. Not an ideal weakeness for a year I think we can make a legit playoff run.

Have a contact in Charlotte I ask him about Bowick this guy knows N.C. football 7-7 and all that stuff . He said he is a real player underrated. Also mentioned that Dax was really good and his younger brother may end up being better than him. I ask about Turner and he said he is a great prospect Freak athlete . He knows QBs and stated that the kid from Va. Wake commit Brendon Clark is a player, is going to end up getting a bunch of of attention if he gets in to the elite 11 . He said he is and elite 11 was MVP at Nike Charllote camp . Had good things to say about VT and the coaches he is not a VT fan so good to hear from outside guy . Knows a ton about NC and SC high school football

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Best of luck at Notre Dame Quinn. May you win many games, but not the one on October 9, 2021.

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

I hope the kid plays well, but I don't know how many games I hope ND wins... but it's definitely far less than "many"

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We offered 5* RB Zach Evens out of Houston Texas for 2020. Did we talk to Devyn Ford about this?

Quick! Delete this post!

Untouchables 2.0

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Currently the #1 RB for 2020 and holds 32 offers, including all the big boys.

The only TKPer to not like Bourbon

I think we once got this RB recruit called Kevin Jones who was also the #1 recruit in the country...

If we did it once...?

Yeah let's not do that. Let's not be like Miami fans and constantly live in the past. That was nearly 20 years ago. Nothing is really the same since then.

He'll be at PSU so he probably won't mind too much.

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At this rate with RBs.... Evans probably will be too

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Losing big time players to B1G schools> losing big time players to ACC schools. So there's that.

Eh. I would rather the ACC be a better conference than the Big10. The SEC is something would should emulate as a conference

Recruit Prosim

I would rather the ACC be better than the B1G too but losing top players to ACC schools we have to play hurts. Them getting their top players and us getting ours is different than us having to fill the classes with 3* players rather than the 4* or 5* players our competition is getting.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

The ACC will never be a better conference than the B1G or SEC consistently. Just look at the stadium sizes and donor money in each conference. Then subtract the donor money that is all dedicated to basketball schools and it looks even worse. The ACC will never be consistently as good as the B1G or SEC unless people start showing up to games and the donors start opening their pocket books for the football teams.

For example, there are only four teams in the SEC with a stadium smaller than ours. We have the third biggest stadium in the ACC. Stadiums aren't everything but they are designed for a reasonable capacity to fit their fanbase at least when times are good. Obviously there is a size breaking point where the stadiums can only be so big regardless of how much fan support they have, but the two are linked. Even worse is that most of our small stadiums and some of our bigger ones (50-60k) stadiums are never, ever full like UNC for example. The ACC just isn't a primary football conference and we have too many schools who put it on the backburner.

My dream (outside of Martinsville Speedway getting lights shoutout bcollins####) is for the NEZ to resemble something like the SEZ, but the fact that we only truly pack Lane for like 1-2 games a year now I seriously doubt that will everrr happen. Always thought if they were ever able to do that, holy moly the noise in that place would damn near be second to none.

“Stats are for losers.” -Mel Kiper Jr.

maybe, but you'd lose all the bleacher effect and all that resonance we have now

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I wish they connected the SEZ to the East and West, eliminating the gaps, but I I think I read somewhere it was actually built that way because the engineering of what we have now kept more noise in vs. the other.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

Not only that, the E/W stands are too steep, and codes don't allow them to be built that steep anymore, so they couldn't be joined. Or something like that. IANAE.

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

Define "better". I think the ACC has had better overall football quality and talent than the B1G for some time now.

Well for one, outside of 2016, Clemson has walked through the ACC into the playoff. They had no real challenge at all last year, whereas the B1G put three teams into NY6 Bowls in tOSU, Penn State, and Wisconsin. We've been a one team league since 2013 riding FSU or Clemson's coattails as they walk the rest of the conference with the sole exception of 2016.

Also consider this, if you are Penn State, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, etc you would gladly switch places with Clemson's spot in the Atlantic. By far the easiest path to the playoff is in the ACC right now, barring a huge resurgence from FSU or us taking a huge step forward next season.

Last I checked there are 14 schools in the B1G and 14 1/2 in the ACC...

But the U is back

Has there been any recent news about Matthew Burrell transferring out of OSU and our interest?

I haven't heard anything since he announced he was leaving.

@Fightin_Gobbler

Go Hokies

Go Falcons

So what is our backup plan if Ford doesn't wind up coming here & big times us for PSU? I haven't really heard us going after any other big time RB's this cycle aside from Jordan Houston but he's more of an athlete according to our staff

I don't know if we have a backup plan - or at least not one of comparable caliber.

I'm assuming that's part of the pitch to Ford.

This process eerily reminds me of Kevin Newsome. I just hope the outcome is reversed this time

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95% of what I say is sarcastic. The other 5% is usually taken out of context.

If Ford ends up like Kevin Newsome, I hope the outcome isn't reversed.

Some other names I have seen on other sites are Patrick Garwo, Aaron Young, and Michel Dukes. None of them are as highly rated as Ford, but I really like Young and Dukes. Before you look up their ratings you should watch their tape below, I think Young and Dukes are really impressive. I obviously hope we get Ford, the staff has him as their top target for a reason, but these other guys look pretty good to me. And I am far from a talent evaluator, but some things I look for in RBs are; can they run inside, can they run outside, can they make people miss, can they break tackles, can they catch out of the backfield, can they accelerate out of breaks/cuts, can they block, can they run away from people. I would love to hear what other people think when they watch these guys' films.

Aaron Young:

Michel Dukes:

Patrick Garwo:

And here Ford's for reference

Hadn't watched Ford's Highlights before since I don't really have any experience evaluating tape etc.. but he makes the people he is playing against look silly.

Of the 4 videos, Ford is by far the best. He's electrifying (please, please be a Hokie!).

I do like Young and Dukes and can see them being great backs at the college level. Wasn't as impressed with Garwo. Perhaps he was playing better competition but he did not appear as dynamic as the others in my opinion on that film.

I agree. Ford's film was the best, no doubt. I just hope he realizes the chance he has at VT to be a huge difference maker right off the bat. We haven't pulled a Stud RB in years, imo.

***Warning! Warning*** Post about financial issues.....

If you have been living under a rock then you may have missed the gradual increase of talent VT has been gaining over the past three year from recruiting. Along with this comes the quality of school we are competing against for these type recruits.

Gone are the days of Rutgers, UVA, Duke, USF, Maryland, Middle Level Power 5 Teams. Even ODU...

This years trends have been ND, Michigan, Alabama, Penn State, Florida, Miami, Florida State, Wisconsin... I could keep going but you get the point.....

If you look at how we are doing against these school, our staff is standing right beside them with their approach to reaching quality recruits. VT slogan of "This is Home" has really rung true and it is followed through with each time a recruit steps foot on campus he actually feels like he as at home.

Go through their statements, they all start the same, " I just felt at home, I loved the whole visit, the team made me feel welcome, the coaches were excited to see me, they didnt just talk football they wanted to know about my life who I was, they were honest with me and told me how they saw me in the system." All examples of what we are hearing

Here is the issue, we have a very strong staff in place but we are understaffed, we have a great approach but the experience is always missing something.

Before you say it's not about money, then realize for VT to actually take the next step, at this point, money is the issue. We had three people doing the job that is being done by 10 to 15 at the other universities we are competing against and one of those guys just left for Florida and will have a big raise and 4 to 5 people under him to help.....

I am not saying we need the same budget as OSU or Penn State. It just needs to get better. It is depressing to know that only 4% of VT living alum donate. Not 40 not 14, 4%. And honestly, sorry HokieFireman, the HokieClub is nothing more then a bumper sticker and a thank you letter at this point. It needs to be revamped and on steriods.

Start going at them young. You all are going to hate my example here but I went to Liberty, we all know they have money coming in hand over fist but I get hit up once a month about joining. I get called, sent letters, even see videos and that's Liberty who shit money and piss new construction. My mom even gets hit up asking her to join.

VT fans talk about bleeding orange and Maroon but at this point we are about to hit the wall. We are going to get used to 9-3 seasons with magical sessions mixed in every 4 to 6 years because with out increase funding we are going to keep losing the talents that love us but other school just have too much to offer. And I'm talking staff, the people these kids get connected with and do most of the work behind the scenes.

I know my theory may be dissected and maybe even destroyed by someone smart but the fact is that for having the reputation of some of the best fans in the county, 4% donation from alum is piss poor....

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

They should require students to join the student Hokie Club (which is free) to buy student season tickets or enter the lottery. This would get a lot more feet in the door and acclimate them to the process while they're still attached to the school.

Recruit Prosim

Student Hokie Club now costs 25 dollars. The school wanted to count its membership in the Hokie Club total but can't because it was free. Same policy as Clemson who has 5k student members.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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That's still nominal and I think would be beneficial. We should also up our athletic fees to match the rest of the conference.

Recruit Prosim

I'm glad that they had the 25$ option for the student Hokie Club, as soon as I saw that I immediately checked the box because honestly 100$ for my student season tickets will always be a steal in my eyes; hopefully they will see some decent venue from that.

Love how much this issue is getting played on all VT forums right now. It's the one thing truly holding us back (I think we could do better to hire more proven recruiters, but that is easier with more money). It blows my mind how many people play for KPC/TSL/247 subscriptions but won't donate $10/month to the Hokie Club. Everyone likes to talk about how loyal VT fans are, but the reality is we can't fill up a 66,000 person stadium and we are towards the bottom in the ACC in financial support. It's frustrating to have expectations of a top-20 program, but realize that I'm reality, we Will be very hard pressed to sustain that level of success unless our donations improve.

We are seeing this topic more due to seeing the writing on the wall. We want to think we are a top 20 team on the field but off the field we arent even close and players are only on the field 4 quarters a week.

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Is there any thought or reason behind why our alumni base has a tendency to not donate? As a 2016 graduate I definitely did not ever feel aware that we were struggling for funds, or that it could be a reason why we can't take a step forward.

You hit the nail on the head without even realizing it. The Hokie Club is pretty terrible when it comes to marketing/community outreach. A lot of big time schools encourage the donation process during a student's time at VT. If I remember correctly, Clemson starts their student donation program at $10/year, and provides incentives to students who do donate, like book store discounts, free gear, etc. But like you said, a lot of fans don't realize that we are so far behind in donations because the Hokie Club doesn't do a great job of advertising that or connecting with recent graduates (or alumni in general for that matter).

When I was at Clemson I remember it being a flat fee (it wasn't much) for student IPTAY and it gave you premium seating opportunities ahead of the general student population for games. The system has changed some since I graduated in 2015, but they get you into the system as a student and if you join as a student they give you priority points towards your post grad IPTAY participation meaning that you are quicker on the list to get better seats in the future, now, much of that just be lip service and maybe the point accumulation isn't significant as an undergrad but they make you feel like it is, plus they've got you in the system, you get the IPTAY t-shirt, you get the IPTAY membership card and you feel like you're a part of the program and then you are more likely to keep up with your IPTAY membership after graduation so you can keep building on what you started for your hopeful shot at great season tickets in the future. They make you feel like a part of it and continually encourage to continue to be a part of it after you graduate.

Its funny that you mentioned they do preferential seating, cause I feel like an easy solution would be giving people the option to choose preferred student section if they pay for the student Hokie Club membership. I'd love to get seats back in north; and I know people would pay for that.

2020.

Didn't realize that was the case. That's good to hear.

Happily that's changing. The Student Hokie Club was started about 4 years ago and just this year transitioned into a paid model at $25/year with some cool gear and events in the works (Clemson's is $40/ year, so baby steps).

But yes, this has been on the administration's mind since Whit got here and we should hopefully be seeing the fruits of that in the near future.

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I'm just tired of hearing all the bullshit about how we did it in the late 90's and early 2000's without spending the big money and just live in the past and pretend like the game hasn't changed completely. You can't demand the best product on the market if you aren't willing to do your part to pay for it. It's like being pissed off that the Ford dealership won't sell you a 2018 F250 for the price of a 2005 Explorer. If you want to be Alabama, or Penn State, or Clemson for free you're shit out of luck. You better get used to pulling for a team that is above average and never elite. And the above average part will only last as long as we can keep getting coaches who can build up lesser talent with coaching and scheme. Eventually we may not even have the money to do that.

I'm just tired of hearing all the bullshit about how we did it in the late 90's and early 2000's without spending the big money and just live in the past and pretend like the game hasn't changed completely.

I'm going to put this out there- has the game really changed completely, or do some fans just ultimately care more about becoming an elite program than others? Michigan State and Washington made the playoff without being elite programs so it's still possible. It's certainly not easy but I don't think it was in the late 90s or early 2000s either- in fact we needed a generational talent in MV7 to make the title game.

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Sure, fans don't have to have the same objectives for the team, but I hope those fans don't complain about missing out on top recruits as well and take shots at the coaching staff for not being good enough recruiters.

I agree with a lot of this. Though I think it should be 8 teams... to make the playoffs, you first have to win your games (or enough of them) and get lucky by having teams in front of you lose. Sure there are other little factors go into but that is basically it.

Past couple years we have always talked about if we would have beaten Miami and/or Clemson, then that would have put us in a position to be close to the top 4 if we would have won out or had 1 loss. But of course we also have those dumb losses to GT and whatnot that just kills that idea.

Long story short.... Can we be elite? Sure. Is it necessary to be in contention/in the top 4 for playoffs? No. I think thats what makes college football so great.

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THIS!!!! we talk all this hoopla about recruiting and why we cant beat the big dogs but its not the big dogs that have kept us from the playoffs over the years.

I wont include bowl games.... just regular season games

2004- losses USC, NCST recruiting rankings VT 34 NCST not top 50
2005 - losses UM, FSU now in this instance both teams recruited significantly higher than us BUT FSU was trash and we shouldn't have lost to them
2006- losses GT, BC recruiting rankings VT 31 BC 35 GT not in the top 50
2007 losses LSU, BC recruiting rankings VT 26 LSU 5 BC 44
2009 losses BAMA, GT, UNC recruiting rankings VT 21 bama 3 UNC 12 GT 41
2010 losses boise st, JMU, recruiting rankings VT 26 boise and JMU not top 50
2011 losses Clemson x2 *shrugs*
2016 losses TENN, GT, Syracuse, Clemson recruiting rankings VT 42, TENN 14, Clemson 11, GT and SU not top 50

if you look at the losses in these seasons if we would have beaten teams that we out recruited and won the games we should have won we would have been a 1 loss team at the end of the season and had a legit chance to be a playoff team or top 4 at the end of the season 4 of those years and undefeated 2 of those years. that's a potential 6 playoff births in the last 14 years thats 42% of the time we would be in the playoffs or on the cusp. something I think ALL of us would take that. winning the recruiting battles matter but winning on the field trumps recruiting and if we beat who we are supposed to beat WE CAN compete with the BIG BOYS that have the BIG money.

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Our alumni association is in the midst of a massive remodeling for exactly the reasons you've listed. While the donations % has gone up a good bit from that 4% mark in recent years, we're still in the bottom quarter of giving for the ACC. It sucks because a lot of the students on campus now are noticing the change and are whining about their tuition rising, without understanding the role of donations for the university. There are a lot of new programs on campus with the goal of educating students on giving back to the university, so these problems should be changing in the upcoming years.

we're still in the bottom quarter of giving for the ACC.

I can't link the image from work but if you go to this year's Hokie Club Donor Guide, that seems to not be the case.

http://www.hokiesports.com/hokiescholarshipfund/hcdg_2018/6/

2017's number show that we're 5th in the ACC (no BC or ND data available) for dollars raised. From the same source, in 2016 we had 6% of the alumni base donating, which is upper-middle of the pack for the ACC.

I'm in agreement that we can do better, and I definitely agree with anyone who says Hokie Club isn't lighting enough fires for this thing, but based on what the school is putting out there, we're not doing as bad as some say.

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I've only worked with the alumni association, so they most likely are different numbers between athletic department and university donations. The numbers I was shown were also by percentage of the alumni base, not overall dollars raised, which would lead to a big difference in graphs like these.

Until our tuitions and fees are significantly higher than our peers, I just consider this whining.

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this may have needed it's own post but it's recruiting based and where we are at a team sooo.

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If you can remember, you should make that into its own post in late August when the majority of our seasonal users return for the start of the football season. That way it will get maximum exposure.

trust me all I am hearing right now are what VT is lacking due to funds and disconnected Alums from some of my #sauces. They won't let me forget it.

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Well, it appears it's working, as they're getting you to spread the good word. Keep up the good work. ;^)

Seriously, though, thanks. This perspective is needed bigly.

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Fireman has been driving this bus longer than me, I've just been having to hear it in a lot of different formats lately and knowing Cantor in actually getting 12 people under him alone is just really killing me with what he had to do at VT and still killed it.

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What's needed is for Blacksburg to start legitimately giving a shit. Like, I know they say things every once and a while that, oh giving is poor, we need to give more, but that's literally all we ever hear, and its always during some big function in Blacksburg where people come there.

They literally do nothing more than the bare minimum and, as an alum, it really pisses me off to hear them bitch and moan about how much we don't give when they can't be bothered to lift a goddamn finger to try and coax me to donate more. I can't tell you the last time I got a call from Tech, either from the Hokie Club or the Alumni Association, and used to be an office in the local Alumni Chapter. Literally, the only times I would ever hear from Tech regarding anything about donations, it was about how I wasn't doing enough personally to help them get more. Fuck that, I have a full time job that taxes my full attention throughout the week along with a family and a newborn at home. I don't need to be told time and time again that I'm not volunteering enough to their liking. Screw that.

Its great that we have all these suggestions for how things can get better with fundraising, but nothing will change because the people who should do something about it are the same people who don't think its their issue to resolve. Every good suggestion falls onto deaf ears. Believe me, I know this first hand, I've been a part of the meetings in Blacksburg when this happens. Good ideas, great ideas, are brought up, and everyone gets a pat on the back for the suggestion. Leave the symposium and you never hear about them again because in Blacksburg, its not their problem.

They have the job positions in Blacksburg to get this done, but those roles are filled with people who don't think its their responsibility to fundraise. We are plagued with low level employees with an executive mindset. Until we cleanse ourselves of the inherent problems that are festering throughout our Alumni Relations ecosystem, we will forever be plagued with poor giving.

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I tried to address that but you're a little more forward than I am...

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Hah, yeah having a few years of direct experience with this has built up a lot of frustration over this. Trust me, its bad. They think every fundraising effort should be run through the volunteers and they should be the ones leveraged heavily to get it done. Their employees think they're above those efforts, they think they should just facilitate the people who would be fundraising.

As you can imagine, the lack of accountability is inherent to the design they've put in place.

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They're not all resting on their laurels. Last year I met with Ashley Hanel (ash23@vt.edu) about annual giving to the university. She did a great job presenting me with what VT is doing and specifically what my department (CS) is doing. I can't remember if she is specifically assigned to the NRV/Roanoke region, but I'd recommend anyone looking to donate (or just get more information) to reach out to her.

IMO that's where VT can improve the most in the donations department. It's great that you were able to speak with her, but the fundraising department should be reaching out to alumni, not the other way around. I've been donating since my junior year in college, but I cant remember being called a single time to up my donation. And based on what I've heard from other people that don't donate, it doesn't sound like they're reaching out much to non-donors either.

LAhokie - I was just turned onto this thread and just registered for TKP. I work at the university, can you email me at gfansler@vt.edu? I'd like to connect just to hear additional feedback you might want to share.

You should start a thread for this. You'd get a lot of feedback real quick.

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I have a full time job that taxes my full attention throughout the week along with a family and a newborn at home

And you're still able to TKP at an elite level to dethrone GuitarMan. Kudos sir, I cant find the time to TKP with nothing but a job and grad school

That team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

This begs the question: Who's job is it? What's the structure/position at other universities that do this?

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Alum07 -

I'd be glad to find time a time that is convenient for you to talk more about your experiences on the phone. Would welcome your outreach to gfansler@vt.edu to setup a time to connect.

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I will take all the credit for bringing this to your attention Fans, and any success therefrom #MVTGA

Alright, alright, take my damn money. Finally broke down and joined (lowest level but hoping that will change in the next couple months)

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After graduating from grad school at duke I've received 4 phone calls from freshman duke students in the last two years asking for money. I continually tell then their outrageous tuition costs will keep me from donating for years to come but they still call me up "just to keep in touch and see how I'm doing" and they literally have conversations with me like they were a cousin I hadn't talked to in a while. Even though I don't donate they still try hard and it makes me feel atleast remembered.

I was at their alumni weekend a few weeks ago and attended an event in which each 5 year reunion class announced how much had been donated since the last reunion. The dollar amounts were insane. You could tell several of the classes were competitive about it. The attendance was remarkable as well. I feel like several of the classes represented stronger than we do despite being a small fraction of our size.

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Here is the schedule of events: https://www.alumni.vt.edu/events/2018/06/reunion2018.html

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I would recommend starting a new thread. This board has ALOT to say about issues like this. I would also encourage you to get someone from the Hokie Club to also join here.

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Once my boss leaves I'll try and set one up

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To be fair Virginia Tech has a Student Calling Center (located right next to the Math Empo) that does the exact same thing.

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I don't know who looked more miserable. The students when I walked by the call center, or the students at a computer in the emporium.

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#Sauces (Not VIP) on 247 stated that we lead for Ford. He does go back and forth but, feels VT still leads

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Any input on Darnell Wright? I know its a pipe dream to land him, but 247 seems to think that we have been up there on his list for a good while.

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Apparently Clemson (along with VT) will stop by Lord Botetourt High School today to check out Jesse Hanson... No offer from Clemson (yet?) but is this even a cause for concern? Seems like Hanson has been pretty dedicated since his commitment even helping recruit others...

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there is a family connection to Clemson and a Clemson offer would likely be taken seriously, as it should be.

good for Jesse if they do.

Definitely a cause for concern for me. Grew up a huge Clemson fan, as both parents went there. His recruitment would probably play out similarly to mcfaden's IMO.

I hope not. McFaden should have just left when he got the offer instead of dragging it on forever.....

I think this kid stays though, he seems to have really bought in and know we are going to have a really good teammates on the O-line pretty soon for him to battle with.

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247 is reporting that Clemson offered Hanson today.

Sometimes I like to leave off the /s just to mess with people.

Let's just hope they pass on Adarious as well

There is such a crazy exodus of players from Ohio State. It seems like career suicide going there unless you KNOW you're going to start.

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Hope he sticks with the good guys, but seeing "dream school" bothers me somewhat.....

Touchdown Tech!!

I do like that he specified childhood. People grow up and change. Either way, if we want ACC titles we have to get guys good enough to play for Clemson. Vice has some work on his hands

I do like that he specified childhood. People grow up and change.

So true - not that I was a football player, but growing up, my dream school was Penn State. I rocked a Penn State starter jacket throughout high school. On the flipside, I barely knew anything about Virginia Tech. The only reason I even started to look at Tech and decided to visit was because they sent me soooo much mail. Then I went through the process of visiting both schools (and about 10 others). Penn State was good but there was just something really different about Tech. I still applied to Penn State and was accepted, but it was a really distant 5th choice by the time I actually had to pick. (5th place was still ahead of UVA, which - despite not having any bias heading into my visit - had such an air about it that was so offputting I didn't even want to apply. If I had known anything about the VT-UVA rivalry at that point, I would've applied just to saw I turned down their acceptance offer.)

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This happened a while ago, but did anything ever come out about the silent commitment we got before the spring game?

Pfft .. re: Hanson. If the offer is commitable, he gone. Sorry but you can book it.

I don't necesarily think so. Hanson isnt like McFadden who was from SC and wasn't entrenched in Hokie Nation territory. I wouldnt be surprised if he went to Clemson, but think he will stay a Hokie.

Heard VT has addressed this and we're good

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sauces say he reconfirmed his commitment to us but was excited about the offer just the same. hes staying a hokie.

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Good thing he did this early. I just hope he doesn't get squeezed out.

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Any words on BBALL since Jackson has transferred?

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There might be another departure from a less significant player on the team (from a source close to the program). Staff is still trying to grab somebody from the transfer market but it's not looking great at the moment.

Yep, #sauces say someone is gone... should hear more in a couple days.

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As posted in the other thread, we could see a commitment from a player who is currently a 2019 shooting guard who is rumored to be a r e classifying to 2018

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3 CBs for him in the last 48 hours

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Au'Diese Toney. Lefty shooter with some size. If we got him along with Landers and Kabongo in the same class that would be some serious shooting power in one class.

And the 2019 class is starting to pick up some steam. Might be a big one for us considering how many players will be gone after next year. There are a few top 100 guys looking at us.

The fact that Tony Bennett was targeting this guy makes me believe that he would also be a capable defensive player.

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From the limited highlights I have seen of him, he definitely looks like a solid defender. At least a solid on ball defender, but it's so hard to tell when watching high school ball, especially if they don't play for a big school. We have a target out of IMG Academy(Jahmius Ramsey) and it's a lot easier to get an idea of how good he will be at the next level because he is constantly playing with and against D1 competition.

McAllister is a very good shooter, though he has a bit of a low release...kind of a modified set shot, not unlike Hill. Kabongo makes his living mostly in the lane.

But to your point, Nolley and Toney would be some serious wing players in Buzz' system.

Itll be interesting seeing if he reclassifies then

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we should know pretty quick...he's visiting this weekend

Do we know when this guy is going to announce? I'd love to get some great hoops news this time of year.

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He's announcing on the 21st. No, we don't have a chance.

Really depressing tbh, isn't that just the type of player we wanted? 5 star MLB from nearly an hour away? And hasn't MLB been the one position we've been bitching about?
idk seems like he deserved a lot more attention then he got

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I mean we got dax, cant say I'm super concerned about LB talent atm

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

He would've been an OLB or DE for us.

I thought this was a comment on Ford and had a half stroke

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Well with the recent twist of things I'm very glad I'll be on vacation at the beach starting on friday morning now.

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247 says he's signed?

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He got released from his loi in March 247 just hasn't updated it

I should have read farther down before commenting

247 must not have updated. It did say on the timeline version he has de-committed, but heres a link to the release from Ole Miss

ah, actually a release from LOI, not a commit-decommit kind of thing

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Correct, with the Tyrie Jackson transfer this seems almost like a done deal. I haven't heard anything about a transfer considering us either. Just going off the name of the teams he's considering, I feel like this annoucnement was waiting to come out once somebody transferred,

Are we reasonably in the running with any other composite 4* players? All of our attention has been on Ford lately, but since that one seems to have Escaped I'm hoping we still have a plan for the rest of the class.

Are we at risk of Hudson being our only 4* star this cycle? Seems like Tayvion Robinson is the only other one we're close to landing. There are others listed as warm on 247, but I haven't heard much about any of them and one is Cam'ron Kelly so I'm not giving the "warm" listing much weight.

It also seems like a lot of the high 3* guys we're close to are waiting out for better offers (Houston, Simonds, etc.). Maybe I'm being pessimistic but I'm starting to worry we're not even looking at a top 30 class this year.

I think we stand a legit shot at landing Anthony Harris, S, NC.

This wasn't going to be a big class, I think we've only got about a 12-16 available spots and that's not counting the recruits already committed.

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Still have a silent commit waiting too no idea who. Im curious if Ford is really gone if theres someone else we will be turning to at RB

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Just got a visit from Zohn

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Some of our guys are looking at potential bumps. Hanson and Bowick are both borderline me 4*'s to me. Simonds could get there as well. We're in a great place with Robinson and are in a good position for Isaiah Hazel. There's some talk about Demarco Hellams not being a take at Clemson, so that's another guy we would have a shot at. Other than that, I don't think there are many at this time.

Losing ford is going to change the perception of this class greatly.

The current outlook for the 2020 class is that it will alzo be on the small side, but we are positioned very well with some studs.

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"Positioned very well with some studs" is absolutely nothing new and absolutely nothing to get excited about

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Can you divulge who you feel we are well positioned to land?

Tyree, Pyne, Baron, Barlow, Meredith

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Thanks for the info as always. I know this is meant to be a small class and that's primarily why I'm worried.

Full disclosure: I don't think we're capable of top 15-20 classes at the moment given our financial situation and recent history (winning and program status matters to recruits and today's 18 year olds were too young to appreciate the 2000s to early 2010s and only caught the end of the Beamer years and our recent uptick).

Until our funding improves and we continue to string together 3-4 years of 9+ win seasons, I'm happy with the 20-25 range on years we take a full class. And in a year where we're only taking a max of 16-18, I could understand 26-28ish. But if we're not able to hang in the top 30, even in a small class year, I think we need to take an honest look at the staff and admit that something needs to change. Not Fuente (yet), but maybe trade out our assistants for 2-3 stronger recruiters.

Which assistants and their salaries on the middle to low end (Foster and Wiles) do you want to replace?

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I think to begin with, you have to look at the two most recent hires. They don't exactly scream, "We are all in on recruiting."

I know that we have to let the dust settle and everything, but...

Is it football season yet?

Two most recent? So Lechtenberg and Mitchell?

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Lichtenberg and Hamilton.

I have no pre conceived ideas about the football knowledge and ability to coach here, so I'm not calling for the guys to be let go. But going after someone who has proven they can recruit (at any level) seems like the better scenario.

I'm not in the office, so its easy for me to make that call from the comfort of my non- college football life.

Is it football season yet?

Hamilton is a placeholder nothing more. There aren't any coaches on the market at this point to hire away.

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Frankly, I'd say anyone other than Wiles, Foster, and maybe Vice with his recent surge is expendable. I'd also be open to re-shuffling the salaries so we have more to spend on two better recruiters and then we give two more unproven guys a shot in the last two spots.

Note that I haven't said to go after top recruiters. I know those guys are out of our price range. But I refuse to believe we can't get better recruiters within the same budget. I trust in Whit and Fuente, but not enough to honestly believe that they are somehow perfectly maximizing their budget and getting the best bang for their buck (which I doubt any school is).

Until we're at that point, there is room to improve within our constraints, which may require that Fuente dip out of his comfort zone a bit and hire some people that he hasn't known for 5+ years. I know trust within staff is important, but no organization in the history of forever has stayed relevant by only hiring from within and not getting new injections of ideas.

And in closing, I want to emphasize that I said a look at our staff needs to happen if we can't hang in the top 30. I'm not one of the guys clamoring for new coaches or saying they can't recruit if we're in the top 30 range. At this moment, I trust the process. But if we drop past 30 on a non-transition year, I don't think its unreasonable to call for some sort of change.

Haven't heard alot recently about guys like Savion Jackson, JR Walker, Freshwater, and Isaiah Hazel, but I think we are in pretty good standing with all of them, may want to check with LA on that

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You can scratch everyone one of those off your list except for Hazel.

What about Beamon?

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Not a take for god knows why

I think the D-Line recruiting (or lack thereof) this cycle is totally perplexing.

We have significant need at DE and esp. DT and 2 top-10 in-state prospects who are "not takes" there. I know CBF style is to look for a certain type of guy there, but at some point, you have to have a way to take talented players and make it work.

It's seems like we've completely soured on Beamon and Smiley and put all our eggs on Jones..cant shake the feeling that the relationship with Sullivan will hurt us there. It seems like we should be going after all 3....plus, it looks like we are about to have one extra scholly.

You also assume these kids didn't tell Tech to pound sand. In 2001 the top kid in VA and 29th best in the country did just that.

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Had to 247 that class. Never heard of that guy. HOWEVER: Joe Mauer was the 17th best recruit in the nation that year...I say he chose wisely in his career route.

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Went to high school with him and played football with him. I was in same class as the 19th ranked VA kid who committed to Tech and then went to FL when they offered.

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I assume because a few months ago the talk was that Smiley had significant interest in VT and it was mutual. Now the word frim those with "sources" is that he would only be considered if he would switch to OL.

I have no specific insight into Beamon's recruiting process, but LA's comment would seem to say that the staff doesn't have much interest in him.

Certainly much in recruiting is based on rumor and hearsay so it's hard to know for sure if these guys are truly "not takes" or just "not interested" but the available evidence suggests both had some VT interest previously.

So they are being upfront and honest with the kid about a position switch. Instead should they lie to him?

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Not what I'm saying at all. What I'm questioning is whether we should be asking him to change positions at all.

Our depth chart at DT is amazingly thin..its hard to understand how we cannot find a way to utilize a guy Smiley. Even if he's not a "perfect fit." Same could be said if this is the issue with Beamon.

In essence, what I'm questioning is whether we're being so selective with defensive lineman that we are boxing ourselves in..leading to having minimal depth.

People who are upset with the staff's apparent lack of interest in Beamon or Smiley are not upset that they are being honest with Smiley about wanting him to switch to OL. It's more about questioning the staff's evaluation on his DL ability, and assuming that both guys can't possibly be worse than the last-minute ~ .82 composite DL guys we've taken the past couple classes.

I have no ability to evaluate film and while I do trust our coaching staff, it is a bit perplexing that these guys aren't takes when a guy like Glaze was.

Yes, how do you think we got Nijman

all maroon everything

Honestly they should tell them whatever will get them to wear orange and maroon

Recruit Prosim

This "not a take" is so confusing to me. I get we don't have much room but if he is that talented where teams like Alabama and Ohio State chasing after him (and apparently the leaders), I feel like you should make this a take and find a spot on the team some way somehow.

Same thing with Smiley with Alabama after him as well. If you have those kind of schools after them, it should be a no brainer and be a take

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2019 was supposed to be the year of the special recruiting class? No, scratch that. It will be 2020. 2020 will definitely be the year it happens.

Blah, you're right. Our inside guys have been saying that for a couple years now.

My completely non-reactionary takeaway from the recent Ford developments:

Step 1: Fire Fuente. Hire Lane Kiffen, check 247's best recruiter rankings, hire as many as we can. Start a huge, heavily levered recruiting campaign, we will pay it back with the tears of rival coaching staffs and fanbases.

Step 2: Profit. Win Natty's.

Step 3: Go on 2 year probation, Totally worth it.

So we're taking the Ole Miss path to success I guess.

Sometimes I like to leave off the /s just to mess with people.

I remember reading an article that said it seems like it was worth it for the massive increase in donations they received and they should be better off in the future for it.

Before everyone freaks out and picks up their pitchforks...

Just keep in mind half of teams that finish in the top 10 have a 3 year average recruiting ranking outside the top 15. A third of the teams are made up of 3 year average recruiting rankings that are outside the top 25.

But 92% of teams over the past 6 years have been coached by a coach who has either been the head coach of a team previously in the top 10 or an assistant on a team that was previously in the top 10.

Statistically, its more important to have elite coaching experience than it is to have elite recruiting.

Top 10s over the past 6 years:
92% - lead by a coach with elite coaching experience

50% - classes with elite recruiting average inside the top 15
50% - classes with average recruiting outside the top 15

66% - classes with average recruiting inside the top 25
33% - classes with average recruiting outside the top 25

http://www.thekeyplay.com/comment/652655#comment-652655

That list includes only 5 coaches without prior top 10 experience:
1. George O'Leary - UCF - 2013 - 3 year Avg recruiting class rating: 81.56
2. Dabo Swinney first appearance - Clemson - 2013 - 3 year Avg recruiting class rating: 87.38
3. Hugh Freeze - Ole Miss - 2014 - 3 year Avg recruiting class ratng: 86.63
4. Art Briles - Baylor - 2014 - 3 year Avg recruiting class rating: 84.27
5. James Franklin - PSU - 2016 - 3 year Avg recruiting class rating: 87.3

Virginia Tech past 5 recruiting classes:
current (2019) - avg: 87.9
2018 - avg: 87.46
2017 - avg: 86.13
2016 - avg: 84.85
2015 - avg: 86.35
2014 - avg: 85.99

Wellllll, on a hopefully more positive note, has anyone heard anything new regarding Drake Thomas? Kinda got the feeling a full-court press on him could garner positive results

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- Mike Burnup

So what's the take on this kid? Looks like we offered yesterday?

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Watched his film.. then watched Fords...

I suggest you do the same let us know what you think....

Edit- not being snarky... just let your eyes and not someone else's form an opinion

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

I watched his tape, and I thought there were some good takeaways. For one, he appears to give 110% on most plays. We can't compare every RB tape to Ford's now, that's just never going to result in a fair evaluation of a kid's abilities. You can't make him as athletic as Ford, but if the kid has ability and willingness to develop then he deserves a fair evaluation without Ford lenses on.

Edit: and he used the correct name in his tweet... he gets some points for that

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I didnt realize Ford is the standard now when will people let it go and be happy with what we have this stuffs getting old with all the moaning. The kid looks like he runs with 110% every play and has some good bits to be excited about.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

I think that dude is a beast

Keep calm, Gobble on

Yeah, after watching his tape, I think he is legit better than Devyn Ford.
In a vacuum, and I watched both his and Ford and didn't know their rankings, I would say Gary was better tbh

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

Is it that stage of Hokie Recruiting already?

Not an expert but pad level, cuts, hands as a receiver, power. Just looks like a stud to me.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Got it, I thought your post was geared the opposite direction. I agree, kid's tape looks good. I have legged you sir.

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Lol! It's cool. I was really late to the meltdown and saw a comment somewhere that we offered to Tahj Gary. I figured to go ahead and post first so I didn't have to drink at 1am.

The kid isn't as athletic as Ford. However, this kid runs hard and is sneakily shifty. His tape shows he fits the offense we run and can also line up as a wideout when necessary.

Honestly, I like this kid's tape. Being a transplant Georgia resident now, there's so much football talent at the highschool level its ridiculous! If we can land this guy and more from GA, I'm all for it.

Let's Go

HOKIES

I think that's 495#. Whew!

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

If the bar ain't bending you're just pretending...imagine what Hilgart could do with this guy. Gimme gimme gimme.

Not to be that guy - but need to find better form. The back (even with the back wrap) didn't look good in that.

Hate to say it, but the spotter's form wasn't that great either. He really needed to approach from below, no way he would be able to pull that bar up from the top to help out.

Jesus, going from 65 in the nation to 812. lol

Well the other option is to not recruit another RB after possibly missing this one so..... no brainer

Keep calm, Gobble on

I can't keep up with all the players reporting a Tech offer today.

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Lots of RBs

looks like the coaches were informed of a decision

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

And another Chicago area QB, a WR and a DL.

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How much would a private investigator cost to spy on PSU and James Franklin?

more than it's worth, I don't want to learn a damn thing from PSU, and I'm not sure I wanna see what goes on behind closed doors up there...

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Hey guys, been traveling and haven't gotten to catch up, but who else is pumped that Ford announces in just two days?

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did you forget the /s?

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So over the Pedo State stuff
edit: oh fine

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

Beautiful.... Losing recruits to a piece of work like that... What a tool

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

I hate to say this because I know it's just going to piss off a bunch of people but Hakeem Beamon just got a CB to PSU.

Sometimes I like to leave off the /s just to mess with people.

Also got an offer from Oklahoma today I believe. But remember, for some reason he's not a take here according to our staff so we shouldn't worry lol. DL recruiting has been very frustrating the past couple years

Yea it's the fact that he's not a take that has been pissing off a lot of people, lol.

Sometimes I like to leave off the /s just to mess with people.

Any word on this 4-star we offered today Deondrick Glass? Not warm on any schools as of right now, could he be the new #1 Target?

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

It looks like we threw out at least 3 RB offers in the past 2 days, so hard to know where exactly each one lies from a priority standpoint. (or how much interest each has in us).

This kid's tape looks pretty good, but he does have 20+ offers noted and looks like he released a top-10 a while back that had all the usual suspects in it. Would look like we have alot of catching up to do, but you never know.

I've never heard of this kid, and outside of Ford and our wonderful run of OL I haven't really been following the recruiting for this class too closely yet, but Katy is a legit Texas school. I would be stoked if we pulled this off, but I have no idea if we are a legitimate contender or not.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN???

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Sad how quickly that changed

Keep calm, Gobble on

I mean, right there pretty much sums up VT recruiting. Its all about 'rep ya state' right up until the minute its time to make a decision, and then its all "Hail State", "Roll Tide", or "Go Tigers"

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

HailState

Crap who did Tech lose to Mississippi State now!

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I swear I've seen some PSU acquaintances use that on social media in lieu of typing out We are Penn St... probably wrong, though

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

lol true

VT hypnotized him into thinking he was a 3-star recruit. It almost worked. Unfortunately he visited PSU and the spell was broken.

He probably heard he wasn't a take

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I mentioned him a while ago and nobody seemed interested, but I still think Jamious Griffin (Jaylens little brother) is a stud back. If he goes to N.C. State and destroys us as the guy behind Ricky Person I'm going to be very angry.

NCSU has become our new UNC. They are recruiting all up in our bid'ness.

Watched a bit of his film. He hits the hole quickly, which I like seeing. But then, those plays weren't RPO type plays. Didn't watch enough to see him in anything like that.

I say bring em in. Him and his other brother.

posted this on the ford thread but was asked to move it over here for the folks that are over the ford thread...I don't blame you. but anyways here it is.

I cant use twitter on my work comp but here is a breakdown of what happened last night on the tweet:

jesse hanson: post picture of jerseys 70-71-72 in hokie lockers and tags @Hudsonbryan @Simonds_riley9 tweets; your new favorite trio coming to do damage (insert strong arm emoji, boom emoji, and rhino emoji)

01valleyhokie (for the record I think just a fan) replies to tweet; cant wait to see you all open holes that a 747 could be parked in. are you bringing anyone with you that could possibly run through them (thinking emoji) maybe @tsunamiford (devyn ford) would you like to join you? guess we will find out Friday (fingers crossed emoji)

jesse hanson replies; I don't care who it is. I just want a running back that realizes what tech has going for them and wants to be the missing puzzle piece. while, willing to give a hit and keep running for this team.

I love the new big uggs for the record and I hope whoever comes and plays RB for us does have some 747 sized holes to run through and breaks all kinds of records for VT. it starts in the trenches.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

LOVE seeing that from Hanson even after the Clemson offer. I think he's all in for VT, at least that's how it seems.

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Don't worry he'll be going to Penn State.

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Edit: Supposed to be a get out response to Beach hokie (stupid gif screwed up).... nothings changed

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN??????? He looks sad but happy yet hopeful....

I don't know how to read this since this character in "Get Out" was full of mixed emotions when he saw the main guy in this scene lol

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

Not gonna lie, I thought this was Dave Chapelle at first

Edit: Supposed to be a get out response to Beach hokie (stupid gif screwed up).... nothings changed

You need to be more careful with your gifing. You could have burned down the whole site with this one.

Sometimes I like to leave off the /s just to mess with people.

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

I think BAG knows something good and is just being very vague, I may have missed it, but he hasn't come out and said he heard there's no chance

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Hopefully there is still a TKP after friday.

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Like how after a major victory teams tear down their goal posts, we will tear down TKp?

Our coaches literally started rapid fire offering 2019 RBs yesterday...

What do you think the reason was behind that?

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Clearly, they want to have a solid backup for Devyn Ford.....

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Nope. They want them all to be under the tutelage of Devyn Trafficborn of House Ford, the First of His Name, the Untackled, King of the Piedmont and the First Men, Khal of the 100 Yard Great Grass Sea, Breaker of First Down Chains, and Father of Touchdowns.

i GOT what you did there...

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Keilan Robinson???

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

Who's that little dude?

Chris tyree 2020 running back from Thomas Dale. We offered him before he even entered high school

You mean Devyn Ford 2.0; CBs for PSU and VT already lol.

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No chance we lose a star running back from Virginia to Penn State 3 years in a row! Let me know when he commits to FSU!

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I think your version of the picture was cut off, but luckily I found the original:

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Can't wait for the hatin on Franklin thread.

Te to qb

Franklin is just doing this because of rivers.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

So back to reality from the fall.

Do we have any 4* RBs that we are after for 2019?? It still so early in the process. I mean ford is pretty much gone unless there is the ultimate flip later but he can't be the only one for the year. It's only May.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

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