Nothing to see here (Former "Devyn Ford Commitment week!" thread)

The time is upon us, plus the other thread was just awful. Let's stay positive Hokies! Perception is reality.

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247 members with connections in NOVA seem pretty content with how things will end up.

Lots of positive vibes

Keep calm, Gobble on

Good for him. I am sure there is a fun side of recruitment and there is this side of recruitment where it all gets to be too invasive.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

I'm going to go with an optimistic feeling.

It looks like something happened here, and it doesn't look like it worked out in our favor.

Boy, how much can change in a day. Now it's more like:

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

No #sauces but i have faith!

Danny is always open
23 can't read

I have sauces (no #) that say Ford will be a hokie.

Well, i'll be here....

Should we wait till Friday to post the response to this gif??

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

I think this means we'll get Ford *and* Houston. "We'll have the lobster *and* the cracked crab."

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

... the vibe here is too optimistic. Where's 7 layers when you need him?

He's here. Grab a chip.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Honestly I'm in a weird place right now. Everyone around VT and my guy in that Fredericksburg area seem confident for VT, but there is so much talk PSU right now. Based on the information I have, I would say VT, but guys like Wiltfong think it's a done deal to PSU.

I'll remain hopeful until Watkins changes his crystal ball.

Probably can't say it verbatim over here but he and czy are not as confident as they were even a week or two ago.

sounds like it is going to be a long week.

long wrong (obligatory cover all the bases gif)

A picture is worth a thousand words. A gif is worth a million.

You're in a weird place because this is the "He's coming to VT" thread.

Now get off my lawn already with them negative waves.

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Best movie ever.

Well this totally just killed the mood of the thread......

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Yep. The PSU guys think he's been in the bag since the OV (silent to them). Brandon Smith is announcing on the 21st and is going to PSU. They think it's a grand plan to have Smith announce right after Ford, with Cam Kelly most assuredly announcing soon after to PSU, to basically smash us in state for the top 3 prospects..... At least their (PSU) 247 board is confident in that.... It will be interesting to see who has the goods on the Ford recruitment, because the other two are definitely going to PSU.

Pretty disheartening and honestly pathetic on both us and UVA.

Recruit Prosim

Let's just say "It leaves room for improvement."

We were sabotaged for years by UVa, and with the change in coaches, it's now an opportunity for recovery.

Well, to me, it's pretty disheartening that Uva is in the trash can and we can't capitalize. Every year, either OSU, Penn State, Clemson, FSU, or ND comes into Virginia, steals our lunch money and shoves us into a locker.... Hopefully, we can pull Ford and not let PSU take the top three in Virginia this year, especially given our absolute need at RB.

Sound like to me you're gonna need a sensei...

Let's Go

HOKIES

I remember the last time VT and Penn State were both going after the #1 RB in the country and PSU was certain he would commit to them....

Wow. Good memory. /s

In all seriousness, we need to stop hanging our hat on one recruiting coup that occurred when the current VT freshman class were embryos. I love Kevin Jones as much as the next Hokie, but no one who has anything to do with Tsunami's decision cares one jot about it. Leg, but this is ancient history, y'all.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

In all seriousness, we need to stop hanging our hat on one recruiting coup that occurred when the current VT freshman class were embryos

This math (/does intense calculations based on current croots ages) checks out. Damn.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

At this point I feel like no one knows where he's going. Devyn probably isn't too sure. I'm not gonna breathe hard until quiting time friday.

“Stats are for losers.” -Mel Kiper Jr.

I think you are right. Everyone just has a "feeling" right now.

Would love to see his name on a TKP off-season best RB poll in a few years...

The off-season gets dark, much rather see him in-season.

*Yes, I saw the poll. Still, off-season message boards are not for the faint-hearted.

I'm very much looking forward to seeing him wearing Orange and Maroon!

Go Hokies!

so how many hours before this thread goes completely off the rails?

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

There's only going to be an increase of Ford Focus as this week goes on.

Is it football season yet?

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

I'm looking forward to the Fiesta at the end of the week.

With him, our stadium will definitely become an unFairlane.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Said before, keep piling up these O lineman like we have the last couple cycles and running back will take care of itself. I think Ford is gone to PSU (hope I am wrong) but it won't matter we will be fine.

Said before, keep piling up these O lineman like we have the last couple cycles and running back will take care of itself. I think Ford is gone to PSU (hope I am wrong) but it won't matter we will be fine.

How is this a repeat comment that is almost 7 mins after your original post......

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

There can be no debate that it's a repeat comment.

Because I accidentally posted again excuse me

You are perfectly fine I just had to ask. Have an amazing day and be happy because I have heard the forecast is full of sunshine for Friday.

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

I think, in the annals of Gifdom, we may look back and say that no one did it better than Nic Cage.

Mmmmmmaybe Gary Busey. Maybe. But nothing unsettles me like those crazy fuckin' eyes. As a body of work, he's a '100% of the vote' first-ballot HOFer.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

Are you a weather man now or are you dropping hints to something else.........?

I dont know shit ( I mean I know a little shit about the situation) but I am just trying to be positive on here. I will let you know how I am feeling by thursday. I definitely feel better today then I did last week.

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Thank you always appreciate your insight!

I mean the first two words are "Said before"....

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

True to your word, you did actually say this before.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Unfortunately, he lost all credibility with the first part of his last statement.

The Caps beat the Pens and are looking good against the lighting.

That coupled with all these positive vibes for Ford are putting me an in a very uncomfortable sports mood of too many good things. I will continue to tell myself that this is just like Sweat's recruitment and we'll lose out in the end, just to even things out until Friday.

Caps may look good against the lighting, but i think the lightning will give them problems.

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

VT has the last visit with Ford Thursday

Keep calm, Gobble on

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

What kind of visit is it? In home I assume?

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

So he can tell them he is going to PSU

If I could take a pill that would make me never follow recruiting again, I would OD.

I might OD anyway.

Recruit Prosim

Hey anyone see the twitter post about one of PSU fan's DMing Ford's dad asking him where he feels his son is going. And dad answer back "leave my family alone"

The "fan" replies "just asking, go hokies"

Something along that line but that stuff pisses me off

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So cringey...

The reality is, it's 2018... if you want to tweet a kid and say GO HOKIES or WE ARE! PENN STATE!

so what... honestly, what's the difference. the kid is getting blown up around the clock from fans from Alabama to Norfolk State....

but that... that is cringey...don't ever do that...

yea twitter is one thing but to directly message a parent, that's like too far.

Dumbass bragged about it on their message board and someone screen shot it and shared it.

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Public Service Announcement:

Never tweet at recruits or families!!!

/end Public Service Announcement

This is pretty ugly, but...

BAG, you're saying that the person who did this is a PSU fan? And said "go Hokies" in a transparent attempt to deflect DF's dad's negative response away from PSU?

If I'm reading you right, you're reporting this as a big fuck-up by some PSU idiot who got put in his place by the father of the kid they think they've all but signed.

Dunno. Net-net, sounds kind of good for us.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Can you post a screen shot of PSU fan claiming it? Would like to share it...

it was retweeted to Ford himself.

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Not going to watch, he's definitely going to PSU.

There he is! The voice of reason amidst a sea of chaos.

Hey, you left off the "/s"!

Down to 48% to VT.

Yep... Pretty sure we've all seen this before.

Yup, fun while it lasted. Oh well.

...oh man..

Fingers crossed

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

Not feeling good.

Edit: there are basically two scenarios here that are equally possible...

A: The recent string of PSU CB's for Ford is a result of people piggy-backing off of the predictions of a few credible national insiders.

B: The VT insiders are being fed what VT wants to hear from people involved in/near the situation. No one likes to be the bearer of bad news.

To be completely honest, I think the second scenario is far more likely.

Bud Elliot changed his prediction

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

Down to 42%. This falls in line with days 1-3 of crystal balling. We should consider 2nd place a real moral victory.

Part of me understands losing out on Ford, PSU is a better program and just had Saquon go #2 over all.

Another part is pissed that Fuente and company couldn't leverage our depth chart/promise of immediate playing time especially on what would be our biggest get in years.

Oh well.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

Also since we have been hard after him for so long. For at least the last year he has known he was our #1 priority for this recruiting cycle. We lead, weather a possible Clemson storm, continue to lead, weather the OSU storm, appear to be leading outright when he basically drops them from contention, then one OV to PSU and the wheels just completely fall off and he's gone. After being our #1 target and receiving all that attention from us for so long, PSU basically sweet talks him for a weekend and that's all it took.

Pretty sure they leveraged the hell out of that

Assuming you're talking about VT: it appears they failed.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

Since when did he move up his decision date? Didn't know random fans get to call his decision a done deal 4 days before he commits.

I haven't felt good about Ford's recruitment since he set foot on PSU's campus last month. I know there's been some positive info on here and other sites, but this just seems like a situation where we're gonna be the last to "know" because people's sources are telling them what they want to hear or we as casual fans choose to disbelieve anything that suggests he isn't coming to VT. PSU side seems uber-confident and national people seem adamant that he's heading there as well. PSU has had all the momentum since his visit and I don't feel that's changed at all. I know its repeatedly said not to read into kids' twitters and such, but Ford routinely interacts with PSU players and targets and we know he's good friends with Slade/Nana. He doesn't seem to be tight with any VT player/recruits. At the end of the day, I think his relationships and comfort with PSU players/recruits coupled with Franklin's ability to recruit will win out. I hope not, but it seems like its been trending that way for a while despite what people's sources around here are saying.

Some of you live and die by the so called "crystal balls" wayyyy to much imo. Sure are they are somewhat of a good prediction, but let this play out. BAG said he is feeling good/expects good things on Friday and LAH said he is pretty much 50/50 but thinks its VT.

Yes it is going to suck if he picks PSU, but life goes on. The constant watching on CB picks/changing from one team to another is at a laughable level now. Some of these guys just pick the same team because "insert higher known name" picked them.

Have a good week and check back in on Friday. Worst case scenario, Ford picks PSU but its FRIDAY! wooooo!!!

Edit: For the record, I have hated PSU for stealing our VA recruits for the longest time. I hate PSU even more since my now ex gf (who went to PSU) broke up with me a couple months ago after 2 years of dating, buying a house and getting a dog together (she took the dog, but house title was/is in my name) because she didn't want to live in NoVA anymore (queue that conversation in the other thread lol) and didn't see me as compatible, kids and marriage, etc. all a week after I was laid off of my job, so it was a slap in the face to say the least.... So I am going to hate them that much more if Ford picks PSU.... so fuck them (and her) but life goes on :)

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

We're just some addicts jonesin' for some updates. We only have so much control over our actions.

That's fair and to each of their own. I love watching the recruiting cycle as much as anybody but I have learned not to waste as much of my time to watch the crystal balls too extensively.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

I agree.

I'm going to have to hear Ford's decision from Ford, one way or the other.

I completely agree. Crystal Balls are only good as a barometer of momentum until the day of the commitment. That's when it is generally going to be accurate because the decision inevitably leaks a few hours before the recruit's announcement and the crystal balls all flip to the correct school.
For now, relax and hope for the best. I'll only be freaking out if it's all PSU on Friday.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

well said.... have a leg

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

Thanks! And let that PSU hate flow through you. I see you're in Fairfax. I'm in Arlington - let me know if you ever want to get a beer. My e-mail is my username @vt.edu.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Yessir... I'll def hit you up if I'm around those parts of NoVA

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

You sir, need to write a country song. Holy moly man, I feel for you. Took the damn dog.

The dog part was definitely the worst

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

A chick took the first dog that I had as an adult a while back. I now always have my own dog, that's mine and will only ever be mine. So now we have way too many fucking dogs, and neither of us wants to claim the moron in my avatar.

Old sigline: I've been cutting back on the drinking.

New Sigline: lol it's football season.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

lmao

I'd go to war over my dog

I think you mean jail.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

Victory or lock up! 😁

Maybe last year this would have stressed me out. But this year, I'm about to be a dad for the first time, so everything else is no big deal.

If he ends up at PSU, I'm ok with that outcome. Based on what I've read about the situation, the staff has done everything they could do to try and land him. It is what it is at that point.

Give it a couple years...you'll be back.

Question: when was the last time BAG or LA were wrong?

I think everyone got last second bamboozled by one recruit very late in the process this past cycle (maybe a rb?), but I don't even remember which one it was so I can't say it was a big deal. I don't care anyway, nobody is ever 100% right in recruiting and they have proven themselves to have valuable information on many occasions.

Grant. But that was cause he told the staff he was coming around 7pm the night before NSD, and then got a call from Willie Taggert at 9pm and the rest was history.

FWIW, I've been pretty open recently about being basically 51/49 VT. Gun to my head, I'd say VT but there's definitely too much smoke to ignore.

50/50 means we wait for the announcement, and stay optimistic until then.

If LA and BAG are super confident they are always right... If they are saying things like "my guys are confident but..." Or "Nobody knows with him everyone just has a feeling" or "I don't know anything I am just staying positive on this thread" the confidence level plummets, at least for me.

LA has been very quick to hedge his bets since the PSU OV and BAG has been more positive but ultimately has been saying 50/50...

I will be shocked if we land him but I will be ecstatic to be wrong.

Got it. So now we are breaking down the break downs of someone's break down of a break down of a source's break down of a 17 year old kid.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

Yep... And you are reading every word of it.

Bahah. This is the first one where I could be wrong but I know it's not because of effort.

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it's not because of effort.

We use this excuse a lot. 'Effort' and 'effectiveness' aren't the same.

Clearly there is something we can improve upon if PSU can convince a kid to come in 3 days when we've trying to foster a relationship for 2.5 years.

Clearly there is something we can improve upon

Using /s is for cowards.

Clearly there is something we can improve upon if PSU can convince a kid to come in 3 days when we've trying to foster a relationship for 2.5 years.

Have a running back go #2 in the draft would be a start

Always choose joy.

I have gone from feeling confident and thinking that Ford was going to be the big recruit that we've needed for a while to now just hoping that we'll be surprised and he puts on a VT hat.

I think that's where everyone is. It was very close to a done deal in the fall/winter. I would say that I was more confident in Ford becoming a Hokie at that point than Dax was at the same stage in his recruitment.

It was closer to a done deal even more recently than that.

PSU wants this kid.
VT needs this kid.

So, I'm hoping the Rolling Stones are correct.

You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometime you find
You get what you need

The only thing I've seen definitive is that he's close to 50/50. Nothing definitive toward psu, nothing toward tech.

One week left, anything can happen. This isn't a done deal yet. Think people are concerned psu will close better Fuente. But VT battled off late pushes for both Dax and hunter. At this point I'm optimistic until I hear anything definitive.

And if we lose him Friday, signing day is a full football season away. Well stay on him.

I made the mistake of watching this the other day:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ta_uTdXl-tE

He sounds like a smart kid, and I'm sure he won't be swayed exclusively by flash, but dang, those are some nice facilities. We've got good stuff and I think we have the best people, but that makes for some stiff competition out there on the recruiting trail.

I would highly recommend a tour of Merryman to everyone. Really see how middle of the road it is compared to who people want Tech to compete with.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Regardless of if we get him or not, I still think it's pretty damning that PSU took the "lead" when this time a month ago he was essentially a lock to VT. It seems like the personal relationships to PSU players has been an edge where as he seemingly has no connection to VT players. I really hope we land Ford because we need him, and if we don't no matter what anyone says; it's a BIG deal. Just some random thoughts...but trying to stay positive until proven otherwise!

One of the 247 guys made a great point. Go look at Franklin's recruiting ranking at Vandy.

I'll just save you the time...

**Never hit top 25**

Goes to PSU and is recruiting his fucking ass off and gets all the players he wants. We as Hokies have to accept that as much as we love our sports programs... it's time for us to give back as much as we can. You can't ingnore the resource gap anymore.

Keep calm, Gobble on

I argue a more apt comparison would be comparing Vandy's recruiting to before and after Franklin's tenure. Vanderbilt signed the No. 26 class in 2013 according the 247Sports Composite and has not been within spitting distance since. (Tech's 2018 class was ranked No. 24.)

I do think resources (or lack thereof) factor into play and matter, but it cannot be a crutch for every Virginia Tech recruiting defeat ever. At some level, there are diminishing returns. Franklin is an ace recruiter. Subjectively, Fuente, who has won a few battles (Dax, Hunter), is not in that same category.

And I've banged this drum before, but Fuente walling off access to the program, runs counter to fan interest and engagement, which runs perpendicular with the objective to grow the HokieClub.

Fuente walling off access to the program, runs counter to fan interest and engagement

I guess that could be one of the reasons why, but I've been finding myself much less interested in VT FB. Just too many other things at this point to grab my attention, maybe.

I'm in a similar boat. Part of it is that there isn't that much going on in the offseason. Part is that we lose 1-2 games that we shouldn't each year. Another part is that the offense still hasn't gotten back to where it's as exciting to watch as the ones we had in the Logan, Tyrod, and even Marcus Vick years -- but that's gotten better with Fuente at least.

Part of it is I'm getting older and interested in other things besides watching teenagers tackle each other on a Saturday afternoon. I still do enjoy watching my Hokies both in Lane and on the tube, though!

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

While I agree with most of your points I'd like to add a few more in the interest of the clarification.

Franklin is NO DOUBT a better recruiter and I don't think that Fuente is a top tier salesman...
My point is the combination is hard to overcome. Resources are NOT the only answer, it's a big glaring issue but just pumping $$$ into the program won't fix everything and it won't win the recruiting battle. It will absolutely help.

I agree it is not a crutch and it never will be a perfect fix (see TA&M) but it has been a known issue that has cost us recruits. We are in a weird spot between big dog and little pup. Bigger than UNC but smaller than USC. When we compete for recruits in the mid 3* range we usually have 0 issue getting them on board. Going after the high 3*, 4*s, and 5*s we run into competition with OSU, PSU, BAMA, Clemson etc. and we have a lot of similar things with them (awesome town, family friendly yada yada) yet all of those competitior schools kill us in the argument that "they're too big for Tech." Hell, our dorms for athletes are trash and other schools know it and it has cost us.

Fuente may not be the best recruiter and that's ok. I don't solely want a saleman HC, I want a good coach. What he NEEDS is a solid support staff and more than just the basics to sell recruits. His approach has actually been effective; the level of effort and honest he exudes has made a known impact to players and their families. It just sadly won't be enough on it's own to players that have 20+ offers.

As for your last point:
I think you're right and I expect that to change eventually. If we want to be a big name we gotta get exposure and get far more alumni engagement.

Keep calm, Gobble on

We are in a weird spot between big dog and little pup. Bigger than UNC but smaller than USC.

Eloquently put and well stated, Jolly.

What he NEEDS is a solid support staff and more than just the basics to sell recruits.

He needs to hire an absolute ace recruiter to replace Scott. Need more mojo on the road.

100% agree but, I want the cash to hire someone dynamic OUTSIDE OF THE PROGRAM. No more promoting interns lol

Keep calm, Gobble on

No intern has been promoted to a permanent coaching position. This tired line that Fuente for the 10th coaching position just took the east route and promoted someone from within us getting old.

Let's look at facts: most teams announced a hiring long before the date when new 10th coaching position took effect, Tech did it after. This suggests other candidates were approached about the job and either they weren't interested or didn't fit in with Fuente and his goals.

The coach hired wasn't some new intern just on the scene. Lechtenberg has been in the colllege football world since 2010 and has been an on the field coach at two lower programs.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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PSUs OC was what made them good. He is gone.

PSU's offense will come back down to earth this year

FWIW saquan barkley is what made the offense decent. moorhead rode his coat tails right to miss st. where I doubt he last more than 3 years.

penn st offense rankings. Moorhead came at the perfect time.
2017 #30
2016 #28
2015 #92
2014 #107

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

It's over, my dudes. Focus on your work Friday, grab dinner with your family/friends. There's no point in following this any longer.

Welcome to the denial phase of the crystal balls swapping to the other school 3 days out. These people get paid to do this and have information. If it flips back, they have newer information. Recruiting life will go on

This thread is an emotional mess

Using /s is for cowards.

If I was a neutral CFB fan, or fan of another team I'd say he goes to PSU. Barkley goes #2, better resources and tradition. We use 8 RB's in one offensive series and our QB or a WR is usually the leading rusher in a game.

After I put my O/M glasses on I say he comes to us. He's to Fuente what Vick was to Beamer.

"War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner.”~~Judge Holden

Take off the glasses, mate. Start watching hudl's of other prospects and fall in love with another guy.

I'm indifferent either way brother. I don't get my panties in a wad with these kinds of decisions that 17-18 y/o's make. Besides, I can count on one hand with a few fingers missing how many HUDL videos I've watched.

"War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner.”~~Judge Holden

Respek.

Jordan Houston is a stud. Criminally under rated. I've always thought Ford wasn't as good as they said. Honestly, I'm kind of glad it looks like he will end up at PSU. /s

Isn't Houston a heavy lean to Ped State as well?

"Give me a fu¢king beer", Anonymous Genius

Well Matej Sis just switched his cb to PSU. Consider it over. Damn

Czy is conceding defeat and Matej Sis just flipped his cb over to psu. Not sure what they have heard because my guy has heard nothing differently.

For all intents and purposes, this seems to be over.

This is a massive, massive failure on the part of the VT staff. We held an enormous lead for this kid and one point, and basically got outsold by PSU in one weekend. People have preached that we need to let these coaches establish long-term relationships to truly evaluate their recruiting, but this is an example of why having a recruiting focused head coach is a big deal in today's college football.

For the "it's just one recruit" crowd, I think you need to see the bigger picture. If rankings stay the way they are, we only have a chance at 1 of the top 10 recruits in the state of Viriginia. For a staff that harped on winning back the state when they were first hired, it has at best stayed the same as it was towards the end of the Beamer era. If we secure Tayvion Robinson, that would be 3 out of the top 20 recruits in VA over the past two cycles. For the big name football program in a state that produces this much talent that is abysmal and inexcusable. I understand that some of those 20 did not fit the coaches' evals, but regardless, that is a trend that needs to reversed, and from what I've heard, the momentum for these kids to leave the state is only getting stronger.

As a program, I think we are on the rise, but Fuente needs to make more recruiting-centric decisions or else we will never reach our potential as a program. Hiring Lechtenberg as a 10th coach and potentially Justin Hamilton are the opposite of what needs to be done in order to take this program to the next level. I'm sure both guys are great and will one day be coaches, but they are a couple tiers down from hiring someone like Derek Jones from Duke, who has had some great recruiting success and who we easily could have overpaid. No more safe hires. Something has got to change to get us there.

Thank you for calling a spade a spade. This is really disappointing and is a failure on the staffs end. Excuses will flow, but this one is pretty inexcusable.

We need strong P5 recruiting experience on the staff. It's not just $$

I'm sorry but doesn't it take money to pay said top recruiter?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Maybe we could use some of the money we have more effectively...you know, not paying a no-name 10th coach? A bunch of G5 coaches that have no P5 recruiting experience...

Our budget isn't tiny. It could be used more effectively.

The coaching salary is very low on the scale. Our DC makes less than a million a year.

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Maybe we could use some of the money we have more effectively...you know, not paying a no-name 10th coach? A bunch of G5 coaches that have no P5 recruiting experience...

Our budget isn't tiny. It could be used more effectively.

How would you use it more effectively?

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Hire Jeff the Hokie Superfan who helped recruit Devon Hunter.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Inexcusable?

What could the staff have done differently? They can't make him decide where to go.

(And it's not over yet...we get the last in home visit. That's a big move by Fuente)

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Fuente will not be present at the meeting. It will be Zohn.

What could the staff have done differently? They can't make him decide where to go.

This is my biggest struggle with criticizing coaches for recruiting mistake. If a coach fucks up and offends a recruit's mom, then that's something we easily identify as a mistake. But when all you see is the results, and the method is a big black box, it's tough to identify the issue. It's not like French can review the game film of the recruit's visit and point out where our staff went wrong.

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Yeah, was trying to remain positive heading into Friday but after reading through CZY's thread over there this is a massive failure by the staff.

I tend to try to maintain a positive outlook, and have loved what Fuente has done so far but if someone doesn't look at our current recruiting situation as extremely concerning they're kidding themselves. With PSU most likely taking the top 3 VA recruits and the gap only getting wider between us and the top programs, we may be seeing our ceiling as a program and it's heartbreaking to watch

I agree with you. I totally understand the "we need more cash" argument and agree. But I also think we've hired a coach who, at least up until now, does not reach outside of his comfort zone and hires safe and within those he is familiar with. The Scott vacancy needs to be a major opportunity for Fuente to show he is willing to reach outside that comfort zone. Again, I know we are held back financially to some degree, but our in-state recruiting is basically just as bad if not slowly getting worse from the end of the Beamer era. This was not what was expected when this staff came onboard promising to take back the state. This staff up to this point is struggling to get much consistency with recruiting momentum in VA. They have landed some impressive individual prospects, but the overall trends will not get us where we need to be as a program.

At the end of the day, I still think this staff is a coach em up first and recruit em second group. Until more focus is placed on a staff with a recruiting-heavy mindset, we will continue to struggle with top talent. Expect a lot of 8-9 win seasons but am inability to compete with the elite.

The Scott vacancy needs to be a major opportunity for Fuente to show he is willing to reach outside that comfort zone. Again, I know we are held back financially to some degree

I mean, who was Fuente supposed to hire on such short notice? Who was on your list of candidates?

I also think we've hired a coach who, at least up until now, does not reach outside of his comfort zone and hires safe and within those he is familiar with.

Yea, Fuente should be more like James Franklin and go outside his comfort zone

Your résumé means nothing. I've never looked at a résumé, ever. Your references mean nothing. I'm not calling your references, I'm calling the people that I know. I'm not working with someone 16-to-17 hours a day if I don't know them or someone that I trust knows them.

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I think Hamilton is a fine choice in the interim, but there should be a decent outside search and not just an inside promotion and call it a day.

Also, I'm not saying just hire whoever because they have a resume, but we can't stay completely in the Memphis/promote from within family tree and expect to be nationally successful.

I think it's possible to hire someone you trust and with some experience/a resume of success. You can't continually take chances on the unproven and expect them all to pan out. Maybe that works at the G5 level, but there is limited time for learning on the job at this level. While you are striking out and learning the ropes, the elite are getting better and better.

I think Hamilton is a fine choice in the interim, but there should be a decent outside search and not just an inside promotion and call it a day

Did you not read the press release?

Former Tech student-athlete Justin Hamilton has been promoted to the coaching staff on an interim basis.

He's filling a hole for the immediate future. This isn't a lazy promotion; the staff could have executed a coaching search, and potentially lost recruits, OR they could have promoted someone in the interim, someone who can contribute to recruiting immediately, and replace him as necessary later.

You could argue that this was short sited, but I'd argue that it's not easy to mobilize a coaching search for a position coach in May, and given that recruiting, summer camps, and film room research are coming up in the near future, it probably made the most sense to hire someone quickly who is familiar with Fosters (unique) system.

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As a program, I think we are on the rise

This is where I kind of have to disagree after this loss. CJF came in and surprised everyone in year 1 and was just a few great plays away from stealing an ACC championship. Last year was awkward, to put it bluntly. Other than UNC, we rarely looked like a team in firm control of a game, even against lesser opponents. Now, I know that this is just year 3, but we have massive questions in the defensive and offensive backfields, and that will show up this year, I fear. Additionally, there can be NO argument now that we are just out classed by big-time college football programs (of which, we are NOT). It took recruiting out of our class previously to move VT towards the top, and that was before recruiting was so intimately tied to $$$.

I don't know how we get there again, short of a lot of luck, with the talent and resources we have. It's possible that the best days are behind us. Seems like we can rarely pack Lane unless it's an 8pm Saturday ABC game, and I see multiple comments here on TKP and on 247 along the lines of "VT FB just doesn't much interest me as much as used to"... the apathy in the program from a lot of folks is becoming increasingly apparent.

I hope I'm wrong, I would love to see the program course-correct and get us back in pursuit of the Natty, but even saying that makes me roll my eyes a bit bc if you compare what we have here to programs truly in contention, it's night and day. Maybe we should just learn to love what we have at VT, and hope that we can even snag another ACC crown at some point, oh wait, except Dabo has build 'Bama jr. down in Pickens county.

I'm frustrated by this just as much as everyone, but maybe this is the last time we should be surprised by this?

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The apathy from the fanbase really worries me. On the whole, unenthusiastic Hokies are not going to donate to the Hokie Club, they will travel less, buy fewer tickets, they won't feel part of the program, and that's when things actually get bad.

The decision to wall off the program (to both media and fans) is seemingly trending to do more longterm harm than short term good and that's very concerning to me.

Man I just don't get this line of thinking. How can you not see the program turning around?

It took recruiting out of our class previously to move VT towards the top

No, it took finding kids that were largely overlooked as regional developmental recruits and turning them into blue collar maniacs and scoring a big recruiting win with very few recruits like Vick and Jones.

I don't know how we get there again, short of a lot of luck, with the talent and resources we have.

It took luck the first time. It will take luck again. We have come closer to closing the talent gap believe it or not. The money gap keeps widening. The only way to do it now is by doing three things: 1) Win 2) Donate 3) Win
To do that when you are trying to elevate a program takes a coach that is innovative and able to succeed with players that are not always the top recruits. Fuente appears to have that pedigree and has performed well in his first seasons. This year may indeed be a down year, but guess what, every program has them. Fans and boosters have this obscene drive for "now" when what a program like ours that has disadvantages to larger more well funded programs need to play a smart, long game. Tactically build up to a run to try to elevate the program to the championship again.

Seems like we can rarely pack Lane unless it's an 8pm Saturday ABC game

This is not unique to Blacksburg.

if you compare what we have here to programs truly in contention, it's night and day.

Until our pocketbook is as big as those programs truly in contention its erroneous to compare them.

the thing that VT proved, much in the way Boise St proved, is that you can be a contender without being the biggest kid on the block. If you're waiting for the day where VT is on an even playing field with these other programs you covet your going to be old and gray before we ever get a whiff of that if you're lucky. We need to get back to being plucky, knock the big boys in the teeth type of program that makes runs before we become the team that is annually contending for the championship. If you think getting there happens in 3 years you're being ridiculous and frankly deluding yourself.

So, you don't get my line of thinking, but some of your rebuttals support what I said...

1. Those big recruits that you mentioned (one in particular) were the catalyst of the program moving to that level... we simply don't get there without them.

2. I said it would take some luck, you agree... great.

3. I know everyone has down years... we just got out of having several down seasons before CJF even got here where our bowl streak was even in danger.

4. I know unfilled seats isn't unique to Blacksburg, but it is somewhat unique to 65k seat stadiums belonging to a school that "feels" like it should be a top-15 program...

5. I also highlighted the resource constraint, and I also never put a 3-year time frame on what I was saying, so there'e nothing ridiculous or delusional about it, stop adding words to what people are saying.

My whole point, was that maybe we should return to being passionate about what we are at VT and let the chips fall where they may...

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1. Vick took us there with good but not great supporting cast that played with abandon. That wasn't us out recruiting others that was coaches making good assessments and great player development. That can happen again so getting bent out of shape over Ford is unnecessary.

2.

I don't know how we get there again, short of a lot of luck, It's possible that the best days are behind us.

you're suggesting it's impossible unless we get lucky. I am saying we already proved it's possible and it took luck then so there is no reason to be defeatist because it can happen again.

3. If you know everyone has down years then why are you so concerned about the possibility of a struggle in year 3? it happens. What happens after those years is key.

4. Stadiums of all sizes all over the country are feeling a downtrend in ticket sales. that's why playing in a P5 conference is important because better teams drive ticket sales. also one reason why it's in VT's favor to schedule better out of conference opponents.

5.

Maybe we should just learn to love what we have at VT, and hope that we can even snag another ACC crown at some point, oh wait, except Dabo has build 'Bama jr. down in Pickens county.

who's adding words? this is actually what you said. I never said you put a 3 year limit. I said it's year 3 and your perspective is ridiculous. If you expected us to be competing for national championships or be at Clemson's level at year 3, which is exactly what you're lamenting in your own words, then that's delusional.

Clemson was getting the butt kicked not too long ago. VT was winning 10 games a season and competing for conference championships not too long ago. Things change.

Not going to argue semantics with you any further. Many people on the site are truly "bent out shape" about Ford, I am not. Post was intended to support finding solace in re-framing expectations of the program to match the most-likely realistic scenarios, but as often is the case with internet forums, things get twisted.

So, I'll state my opinion with greater clarity for anyone who might care: Virginia Tech Football has settled quite nicely into being an above-average P5 football program, but will never win a National Championship, and that's okay. I would be happy to see us win the ACC again someday, but it seems like that will be a very tough challenge with Clemson and now even perhaps Miami in the way, not to mention Florida State. I like CJF, but it's hard for me to say that we're improving significantly, without some luck and some serious improvements in financial investments to the program (yes, I donate). That is my "ridiculous" and "delusional" perspective.

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I'm not trying to be a dick, I just find this way of thinking highly reactionary and not taking things for the reality of what they are. So I reply, which is what people do on fan sites.

Maybe your point is getting lost in how you're making it. for example, you say here that:

Post was intended to support finding solace in re-framing expectations of the program to match the most-likely realistic scenarios,

but in your original post you stated:

Maybe we should just learn to love what we have at VT, and hope that we can even snag another ACC crown at some point, oh wait, except Dabo has build 'Bama jr. down in Pickens county.

That's not taking solace, that's accepting defeat. If that's your point, and it reads that way, then stick to it but I'm still going to reply that it's ridiculous. And it sure seems like this is your point because you go in this post to say:

will never win a National Championship, and that's okay. I would be happy to see us win the ACC again someday, but it seems like that will be a very tough challenge with Clemson and now even perhaps Miami in the way, not to mention Florida State.

Football is tough and VT has never been a program that was recognized at the level of these programs, even when Clemson was Klempsoning, so nothing has really changed. Maybe take solace in that.

finally you say:

I like CJF, but it's hard for me to say that we're improving significantly, without some luck and some serious improvements in financial investments to the program (yes, I donate).

first. thanks for donating. leg for that. but again I just don't agree with your perspective about not improving which is what I originally replied to. The program was in disarray with an empty recruiting cupboard and barely holding on to getting to a low tier bowl game. You honestly don't think we have improved significantly as a program from that?

So yes, I find the comments about not improving ridiculous and I think any expectation that we will be completely revamped and on par with Clemson, FSU in 3 years delusional. I didn't say you had a limit but you are explicitly lamenting that we aren't their now and you can't see Fuente making improvements to get us there.

You can be mad at that or maybe you can talk about why you don't see improvement. I am interested in how you don't see improvements. What exactly are you basing your opinion on?

Let's get real here. This is football, a sport, and the kid decided on what he thought was best for him. To get this worked up about it seems... Unnecessary.

I think you're all overreacting. I knew two weeks ago from comments by one of TKP's contemporary sites that this was happening from an interview on the Club House.

The kid had a lot of ties to Penn State and a lot of his teammates were headed there. I'm also not worried about missing out on top recruits in Virginia because we're getting big recruits from other areas we weren't even sniffing before (QP3 anyone?).

Take a deep breath, look at the offensive talent we have coming in this year as well as what's already been declared for 2019, and relax. We'll. Be. Fine.

The problem (to me) is much less a general recruiting issue and more specifically that our run game is complete ass and Ford seemed like the only quick fix for it with no other hope in sight. I don't think it's an overreaction to freak out about that right now. It definitely seemed puke we sank all our resources into him more because he was the perfect (and only) fit/fix for our offense specifically than because he was that big a can't miss recruit in general.

And I don't want to hear "we recruited OL better this cycle so it will work out." OL is a complete crapshoot.

Recruiting can be a complete crapshoot. You think you know, but you never know.

Carlis Parker was heralded by some as the next Michael Vick and eventually transferred to NC A&T but never played.

Joel Caleb was a 4-star athlete and top-100 player that never found a home on the field.

Kalvin Klein (unranked) started out strong as a freshman before his knee injury sidelined him most of the rest of his career at VT, transferred to Texas A&M and only caught one catch in 23 games.

Sam Rogers was a walk-on and we all know how his career ended up

A.J. Hughes was another walk-on with a tremendous career at Tech

D.J. Coles was a 4-star who had a decent career before knee problems essentially sidelined the end of it

Nick Dew was a stud of the 2010 class that ended up playing mostly special teams before transferring.

Kyle Fuller was underrated as a 3-star

Michael Cole (3-star) was having a terrific career before that horrific injury in the FSU game ended it

Luther Maddy was a 2-star recruit

Kris Harley was supposed to be one of our best gets of the 2011 class and ended up transferring to Western Illinois

It's not though. You can pick outliers, but stars matter. Higher rated recruits by and large are more successful in college and have a much higher chance of getting drafted.

There are some nice success stories, but if we want to be competitive, we can't be hanging our hat on Luther Maddy. That is not the norm. As nice of a career Luther had, I'd rather have another Tim Settle caliber recruit/player in a second, just as I'd rather have Ryan Williams over Sam Rogers.

Agreed, but the point was just because Ford was a 4 star doesn't guarantee an uptick in the running game. The chances would have been better, though.

I completely agree when looking at it from a "quick fix" viewpoint. Without ford, I don't see our running game making leaps this season. That said, I'd take a good OL and slightly above average RB over a bad OL and awesome RB any day for a lot of reasons.

I would argue our OL recruiting is significantly better precisely because OL recruiting is a crapshoot. Before, we relied on a few actual OL recruits along with a bunch of misfits at other positions. For the first time in years, we actually seem to have a focused approach to filling the room with guys who have a chance of working out. Those recruits aren't going to make a difference this season, but if we sustain that approach, we should end up with at least a serviceable offensive line in a few years. Then we don't require an elite back just to take a little pressure off our QB.

I want to be sure I understand what you mean by this season. You know Ford is a '19 recruit right? I assume you meant this recruiting cycle? Otherwise, I agree with you.

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Yea thanks for the correction (+1), but you got the general point. As the recruiting calendar keeps getting pushed earlier and earlier, I make that mistake more and more!

Alright it's time for a good ole bag man scandal or something of the sort at PSU.

Using /s is for cowards.

Dylan Rivers committed to PSU and now starting for VT.

Fellas we've seen this movie several times before...

he's going to Florida State

I like that movie better

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Commits on Friday

"Commitment Week Thread!"

Thread gets shut down on Monday

Part of me says if he goes to PSU I want him to have a breakout year and get drafted so we don't have to play against him in 2020, but the other part of me wants him to play against us as a rubber match in what he could have had.

He has committed anywhere yet and college football players have to play 3 years before entering the NFL.

I must have been thinking about basketball one and done. Well than, in that case how about he just chooses us

I haven't seen this stated anywhere else, so I just want to say that I hope Devyn Ford commits to Virginia Tech.

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Well Shit..... I am not happy and this will take some time to cool off.... I will see you guys Monday. Look for this to be a banner few weeks for PSU.

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FUUUUUCK

is it bad I want to downvote my self. This one stings a bit.

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Well I still had some hope until this. Back to the drawing board and waiting another year for this offense to really get clicking.

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So many thoughts, yet none of it will matter or make a difference.

Donations help, but they aren't everything (title IX offsets); Florida has a very similar endowment to Tech FWIW -
http://www.alligator.org/sports/the-cost-of-winning-comparing-uf-s-footb....

Also interesting that the sec and big 10 seem to have huge financial advantages over all other leagues - http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/.

PSU had $81 mill in revenue in football alone in 2017 as well (slightly more than VTs entire athletic rev)- http://www.collegian.psu.edu/sports/article_e11e9abc-22e7-11e8-a58e-87d5....

Wonder what they're selling recruits and how ('media rights contracts and league distributions')?
https://www.google.com/amp/www.mcall.com/sports/college/psu/mc-penn-stat....

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going to avoid this site for a bit starting tomorrow night, lol

these big recruiting misses have us all like...

Is it football season yet?

Also, if this doesn't make you want to donate the HC, then I don't know what will. I don't want people to this feeling again (which I understand is unrealistic), and the only solution that we, as fans, can control is the money situation. This isn't a time to hold off because you are pissed at the outcome, it's a time to do what you can to make it better because you are pissed at the outcome.

Sucks but my gosh let's keep some perspective here!! Laborn, Elliott, Nnadi, Sweat, Andrew Brown, Curtis Grant, Philip Sims etc etc. All the same type recruit and look how they panned out. Let's focus on who we do have like QP and all the NC recruits and O lineman. This is worse in perception than in reality. Lot of talent in this program and more on the way.

I agree but this time it definitely showed off just how difficult and fickle dealing with 18 year olds can be.

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Yes, but think about how successful we would be if all those guys were here (except for maybe Sims). That's the point, Laborn would be our starter, Elliot would have had a very good chance to start this year, Nnadi would have started over Settle meaning Tim would still be here, Sweat would have been our best DE the second he stepped on campus but we would have allowed him to RS and heal up (which would have let Vinny move inside to his more natural DT), Grant would have replaced Motu for the 2015 season and would have let Lydon and Motu battle it out in 2016 for the starting spot (potentially preventing Lydon from leaving over frustrations for not getting a fair shake), and Andrew Brown potentially would have redshirted here with the DT depth we had at the time and would have been developed under Wiles and would now be a starter.

I understand that we'll be fine. We'll be an 810 program for a while if things stay the way they are, which is fine. Maybe we'll shrink gold and QP can elevate us to a higher level and we can compete for an ACC championship. One recruit isn't a huge deal, but when these on recruits pile up, it becomes a big deal.

It is almost impossible to compete on a national level without near-elite recruiting. These aren't the early-00's anymore. It's very, very hard to find a diamond in the rough with the camp exposure, increased travel budgets for coaches, film on social media, etc. The Rell's are coming much fewer and farther between than they used to for us, and I feel like as a school, we still think we can take the Brendon Hill's and Cody Grimm's of the world and be fine.

Maybe this will end up like the guy that had all the CBs to VT and we get to be Iowa State this time?

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LOL leg. As a professional fisherman I've never found a diamond in a lake but I did find a bag of heroin in a river last year...

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

What do you when that happens? I would have no clue. I'd be afraid of getting pulled over on the way to police station.

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Looks like he's going to Pedo State

This type of comment doesn't have any place here, IMHO.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

I think TKP is a little too controversy averse for it, but this is perfect and deserves to go plaid/gingham

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Don't we have a visit later in the week? Maybe we can steal this back. Either way gotta keep our head high and move forward. Long time until NSD. Fuck PSU regardless.

That's a good point - everyone with info is throwing in the towel but I mean we have a visit (I'm assuming an in-home) with him on Thursday? I get that a visit doesn't mean we win him over but stranger things have happened. A couple months ago Grant committed to our coaches with less than 24 hours til signing day and ended up somewhere else.

I try to keep expectations low for myself and everyone else but shouldn't that Thursday visit mean it isn't over? Unless Ford canceled it of course.

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This is a very disappointing reaction from TKP to a coach that is working his ass off to make us relevant. Also for a director of athletics that is working his ass off. And a 17 year old kid who Has worked his ass off to make a decision to put himself in the best situation to make millions.

Disappointing if it goes this way, sure, but please think about what you say about this before you post anymore.

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Was going to write up a whole thread about the direction that Tech Athletics has taken under Whit. Hint it's a huge leap forward. Back to back commonwealth clash wins, best EVER directors cup finish more than likely. Multiple sports with first ever post season entries.

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Please do. I'm so frustrated for VTs entire athletics right now. Unreal.

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I've heard some things that go against your first sentence.

Then say it. I appreciate your insight on this site, but please don't go down this road without credible sources that you can share.

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Go down what road? I'm not going to give away my source's names, as I'm sure they don't want that all over the internet, but I've said several times that I have a good friend that I met through my job that is close to the Stafford football community. Don't deflect your anger at the situation towards me and claim that I am withholding anything from you. I provide things that I hear free of charge (and some that I pay for), and recent comments like that have really led me to consider taking a break from TKP for a while.

He told me a while ago that when OSU was creeping into it (which I warned everyone about) that Urban was playing a more consistent role in Ford's recruitment than Fuente was. Ford is VT's #1 recruit this cycle, and he was probably somewhere in the 40-50 range for OSU. That's a bad look on Fuente.

That's disappointing to hear thanks for the info

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I'm not angry. I expected this weeks ago when he was entertaining OSU aggressively. I don't need names, but saying that Fuente isn't giving the effort so casually like that without substance are not what people reading this article tomorrow is going to know.

As I said, I appreciate what you do around here, I'm smarter about VT recruiting because of you. I didn't mean names, I meant substance for a post like that.

I hope you don't go anywhere, but I think people just reading this thread would be turned off. Not just you I'm calling out. All I asked was that people just take a breath before posting.

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Why do you get so defensive? You made a massive accusation with no context whatsoever...how exactly is someone supposed to take that? No one needs names, but if you put someone on blast like that you at least need to add a little more substance like you do in your last paragraph here.

The "without credible sources" part is what pissed me off. I might be a lot of things, but a liar and a baseless accuser are not either of those things.

Yeah that's fair, I missed that part in his reply. I think everyone appreciates the contributions you bring, just every once in a while people will get thrown off by a quick negative comment like the one above and that can be frustrating/confusing in the moment (ie we've been told how much new focus there has been in recruiting and now the head guy is slacking?). The long form critiques meanwhile are typically handled much better with a lot of interaction/discussion, even if the news is negative.

Anyways, keep doing what you're doing

I'm leaving that response there for context, but I should have worded it differently which I tried to explain in the next reply. My apologies.

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Agreed you can't insinuate that CJF isnt working hard to turn the program around without evidence and reasons

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Don't get me wrong, I think he is working hard. But I have reservations about Fuente doing what it takes to recruit at a high level. I've terrified of this ever since his desire to stay out of the SEC because of its cut-throat recruiting environment. I want a coach that wants to get his hands dirty and to do whatever it takes to get us there. I understand that some won't agree with this, but I want to toe the line a little. I'm very proud of the reputation that Frank left this program in, but I am ok with flirting with a few minor recruiting violations if it means we are winning a few more of these battles. The resource gap between VT and the elites is so large, that I fear that that is our only chance.

That's sour grapes bullshit. Efforts for this kid have been through the roof. If he indeed chooses PSU, it's not because of the sell job.

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Ahh... now I understand the disconnect. We definitely are not on the same page.

Edit: I can't sleep tonight without following up on this. You all can downvote me if you want... if this is you or your sources attitudes... I hope all of you have 0 pull/influence with our program. I'll gladly take over your membership payment.

ARNIE OUT

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I will upvote you. I don't want anybody begging for anything that even smells like a recruiting violation. I definitely don't want somebody so many folks put on a pedestal around here saying it.

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Back at you. Fuck that.

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There are recruiting violations minor enough the penalty is a slap on the wrist from the NCAA and they allow schools to stay in better contact with recruits (impermissible contact). It's the equivalent of driving 7 MPH over the speed limit.

Alabama, who has every resource and advantage in college football, does this and self-reports infractions: https://www.tidesports.com/alabama-self-reports-22-minor-ncaa-violations... https://fjnfr3zx2lz3jqht3337tmn1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uplo...

Head Coach inadvertently used a wrong number for a coach and called prospective student-athlete prior to September 1 of his senior year.

Yes, "inadvertently".

Thank you Joe. This is the stuff I'm talking about.

You're kidding yourself if you think any of those so-called infractions provided an advantage.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

Well when comments are being made by high school coaches that coach X keeps in touch more than coach Y, then yes, I think there is something gained by stepping over the fine lines.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Contact with recruits is a limited resource. The NCAA limits contact frequency and type throughout the recruiting calendar.

Hypothetically, let's say all programs get 10 contacts with each recruit. And now program X has 11, i.e. taking an extra turn in the game. How is that not an advantage?

I guess when I try to put myself in the shoes of the recruit, I would like to think my decision making ability hinged on more than whether or not the coach called me an 11th time.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

Right, but when recruits say things like "Coach X was just so involved and interested in me from Day 1", then obviously the frequency and amount of contact comes into play.

Chem PhD '16

"vtcivengr, we need you in the program so bad I'm willing to commit a violation to get your commitment. That's how much I want you to be a part of this team."

Good try but I'm not quite sold. It makes sense on the surface but this is what I hear:

"vtcivengr, we need you in the program so bad I'm willing to pretend I was calling the trainer and accidentally called you instead, just to say what's up and you know we love ya, to get your commitment. That's how much I want you to be a part of this team."

It wouldn't sway me in the least. If anything it feels desperate. However, I concede that I should not assume the recruits have the same thought process I do.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

However, I concede that I should not assume the recruits have the same thought process I do.

Bingo. These kids are 16-18 years old with near limitless possibilities. When I was 17, I almost picked a school that wasn't VT just because I thought the girl were hotter there (side note - I found out later I was very wrong). Anyways, thank god my dad talked me out of that one.

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I've wondered if some of the stories we've heard about Ford's recruitment were violations- the "chance" individual meeting with Mike Vick being the most glaring. I wouldn't even be shocked if having a giant head at a basketball game for a recruit was a violation, except that offers a high degree of plausible deniability.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

"...cut-throat recruiting environment. I want a coach that wants to get his hands dirty"

This is exactly how I feel. Nice guys finish last. Saban, Dabo, Urban, or any other coach worth a damn didn't get there be being a nice, honest guy.

Recruit Prosim


...I am ok with flirting with a few minor recruiting violations if it means we are winning a few more of these battles. The resource gap between VT and the elites is so large, that I fear that that is our only chance.

I'm not; either we have integrity or we don't. If the resource gap is too great, then we need to close the gap. But I won't give a penny to any entity that knowingly cheats. Bringing on better sales folks, yes. Cheating, no.

And fwiw, I don't think that's what has happened with Ford. Until Fu shows his offense can produce a high profile back, we are going to struggle to get one. No different than recruiting QBs.

I read through the entire thread this morning, and I thought there majority were some really insightful and rational comments (both critical and supportive), blended together with a healthy dose of TKPing (GIFs and jokes), but nothing over the top.

Really interested to see what the fuck we do with our abysmal running game for the foreseeable future now because by all accounts our Plan A was "Get Ford" and there was no Plan B.

Also gonna be really fun to go through the exact same Ricky Slade/Devyn Ford saga again with Chris Tyree next year. Gee I wonder how that one will play out.

Houston is or Plan B to an extent, but they weren't being recruited for exactly the same role. Missing out on grant and graham last war really hurt us.

I think it's safe to say that after Friday the honeymoon period with Fu for some will be over.

Kazby

It felt like it ended last year when we lost to team chop block again down in ATL

Virginia Tech School of Architecture Class of 2014
Fan of Hokies, Ravens, NY Giants, Orioles

It's ok to be critical of our coach if the criticism is fair

Recruit Prosim

Welll......only the offense. Nobody shall criticize our defense. OR ELSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I think it is reasonable to have a reaction to some of the decisions CJF has made towards recruiting without devaluing what he has done as a coach.

As a whole, he has the Program in a significantly better position than what he inherited, but some of the Recruiting Issues we are having are hard to ignore.

Yes, we certainly are at a financial disadvantage to "Blue Blood" programs but we have also lost some targets in circumstances that are difficult to understand. We have also not been able to close on targets against Programs that do not have such a financial advantage. As someone pointed out in a prior thread, despite their relative lack of on-field Success, both UNC and NC State seem to have much more success keeping their top-10 Prospects In-State than do we.

Think about this...if things go as are currently expected we will have lost the last 2 major RB Prospects we have recruited:
1) Late in the recruiting process
2)to go play for programs that already have UNDERCLASSMEN 5* RB on the roster
3)two of those 5* RB were also VA players and targets of ours that we could not close on.

It is hard to ignore that if a Spring Official Visit was was broke the Camel's back with Ford; that the very subdued nature of our Spring Game may have had something to do with it. As I watch replay after replay of literally EVERY SEC teams' Spring Game, I can't help but wonder....why not us???? The vibe that CJF gives with our Spring Game is that of an annoyance; while other teams are making them events and using them to get as much Recruiting exposure as possible. It seems totally counter-productive to have such a drab mood around what should be a showcase event for the Program.

I also agree with above concerns about only trusting "your guys," as I think it was one of the downfall of Beamer's later years. The 10th coaching hire was felt to largely be underwhelming here, and I think there is alot to be learned by how CJF goes about replacing Scott. Logic would say to reach out and find someone with a very strong recruiting background as the current staff lacks anyone that would be considered an ace recruiter.

I certainly don't think its time to smash the panic button, but I also don't think it is unreasonable to ask some hard questions about where we have failed and if there are problems (outside of financial constraints) that are hampering our recruiting.

I think it is reasonable to have a reaction to some of the decisions CJF has made towards recruiting without devaluing what he has done as a coach.

The difference is that we can dissect the on-the-field challenges and judge how CJF handled it. When it comes to recruiting, we just see the final score. We might get the box score equivalent from BAG or LAHokie, but that's not the play by play, and it's tough to assess where the staff went wrong. I'm all for holding coaches accountable, but there haven't been many constructive comments here that discuss how/why CFJ 'blew' (I use quotes because we have one home visit left) Ford's recruitment.

As someone pointed out in a prior thread, despite their relative lack of Success, both UNC and NC State seem to have much more success keeping top-10 Prospects In-State than do we.

I think this is just the challenge of Blacksburg. Blacksburg is 20 minutes closer to Ford's high school than PSU is. That doesn't give us an 'in state' advantage.

The 10th coaching hire was felt to largely be underwhelming here, and I think there is alot to be learned by how CJF goes about replacing Scott

Not to rehash this, but I think it was pretty clear based on the timing of the announcement that Lechtenberg wasn't the first choice, and that their was likely at least one other candidate that didn't work out. That said, a lot programs did the same thing, and just promoted a GA/talent evalulator.

As I watch replay after replay of literally EVERY SEC teams' Spring Game, I can't help but wonder....why not us???? The vibe that CJF gives with our Spring Game is that of an annoyance; while other teams are making them events and using them to get as much Recruiting exposure as possible. It seems totally counter-productive to have such a drab mood around what should be a showcase event for the Program.

This is IMO a reasonable criticism that Joe so eloquently explained above.

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I hope this is what we take away from this. Very well stated.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

I'm all for holding coaches accountable, but there haven't been many constructive comments here that discuss how/why CFJ 'blew' (I use quotes because we have one home visit left) Ford's recruitment.

Whether this was a case of Recruitment being "blown" or simply getting out-recruited by another program, Football is a results-based business. Right now, our results aren't exactly impressive. Unless Ford comes out and gives a blow-by-blow interview of his recruiting process, we will probably never know exactly what happened. But he was our #1 Target this year and we made it known for a long time; losing out him is a bad Result.

Yes, it is easier to dissect film and point out flaws in in-game planning or execution, but what matters is still results. No one remembers that Pitt outplayed us for most of the game last year and should have won by all rights. They remember that we had an awesome goal-line stand. When firing day comes for Narduzzi, no one is going to care that he was a shoestring tackle away from this win or 10 others.

In football, you either produce or you don't. And so far, Recruiting under the new staff is still under the microscope.

Look at what Beamer did in recruiting his first 5 years. Don't make me defend Fuente this week... I shouldn't have to.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

I don't think I said anything that would require someone to defend him. Simply stated, if Ford does indeed go to PSU, we lost our #1 Target in 2019. That is a bad result, period.

And comparing Era's of recruiting isn't really valid at all. Recruiting has changed dramatically within the last 10 years given how much more exposure is available.

The James Anderson's and Brandon Flowers of the World are much, much harder to find because of how easy it is to find talent and to establish relationships without every having to leave your office. Look at the DE Jean-Baptiste we were targeting last cycle. In a matter of months, he went from under the radar guy who was going to Boston College to a must-have recruit who spurned us and multiple other Programs for Ohio State. Beamer didn't Recruit in that world.

Give the coach time. We are trending up which is what Beamer did.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

I'd say those were pretty different circumstances. VT was a program coming off of sanctions, with no real football history at all, with one bowl win to its name, and a low end to middling independent.

And I think people want to forget that Beamer in the days when the program was being built up definitely toed the line and took on some questionable character guys and dealt with disciplinary problems. It's only when Hokie respect came around and the ACC move that we got away from those types of characters, but then it quickly evolved to a holier-than-thou attitude that I think still lingers on to this day.

VT has shown the potential to be a top 20 program. This staff has made some good moves to get us in the right direction, but with current trends and a huge lack of interest among top VA players, it's going to be tough to get back to where we want. I'm in no way advocating cheating or anything of the sort, but I think there is enough to suggest JF is not currently a recruiting-centric coach.

Give the coach time. We are trending up which is what Beamer did.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

I still think the Clemson model appears to be the future. Obviously this would never happen but in my fantasyland Fuente seems better suited to OC, we could cut cornelsons dead weight, and hire a CEO recruit centric head coach to manage the team. I think we're going to see X's and O's head coaches phased out

Recruit Prosim

That might be the dumbest comment I have ever read on here

Chill the hell out.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

The comment was blunt but he seems fairly chill. The previous comment is obviously the opinion of the poster but it also is fairly insulting to call Coach Corn "dead weight" at the moment. And overall in year 3 to suggest that Fuente is incapable of being a Head Coach in any way and should be an OC is vacuous and obtusely reactionary, especially given the fact that we have had 2 winning seasons while he brought in the first round of recruits suitable for his system. If fans were treated the way they suggest at their own work the majority of them would be fired in less than a month.

Yeah I thought the comment was completely absurd but he did say it was a fantasyland opinion.

Sean

I'm not going to argue any of that shit because it's a waste of my time and not the point of my original comment but downvoting people because they don't like someone's idea and saying it's a dumb comment is unnecessary.

EDIT: Actually, I agree with your point but I also think there is some merit to the idea that the "head coach is not an X and O guy."

Bottom line is calling someone's comment dumb and downvoting it is stupid. That is all.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

agree on the down voting

I was not trying to be insulting. Just pointing out that running the offense is something that Fuente excels at, IMO much better than Cornelson

Recruit Prosim

Out of all the dumb comments on here, you picked THIS as the dumbest?

Chem PhD '16

He did say "might be". That leaves room for the other contenders...

Good point. OK top 5

Because Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, and Lincoln Riley aren't Xs and Os coaches. At the next level(s) you have coaches like Mark Dantonio, Chip Kelly, Larry Fedora, David Cutcliffe, David Shaw, Dan Mullen, and the new guy at UCLA who are definitely known for their recruiting and not for being Xs and Os guys. /s

In all seriousness, you absolutely need to have at least one ace recruiter on staff. I just think you are much less likely to have that ace be the head guy like Clemson and PSU. A good coach has to be a great CEO and being a great recruiter takes too much time away from the CEO duties, imho.

I'm not sure which category Kirby Smart falls into just yet.

I think Fuente is a good CEO type coach with great Xs and Os, but our staff is desperately in need of a recruiting ace. Things at the next level work differently than what he is used to, so he is going to need some time to adapt his style to get VT where we want it to be. Hell, the addition of a tenth coach was basically a giant, neon sign that schools could add a "recruiting" specific coach. Going forward, I am hopeful that Fuente will adjust to the new landscape.

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

I disagree with the sentiment that only results matter and how we got here didn't. My point is that it's pretty tough to make the argument that Fuente's recruiting tactics are the issue without knowing what happened. Is it an issue with resources? Is it an issue with the coach? Did Fuente not do his due diligence to learn about the recruit's interests before coming to campus? Did recruit just like the other campus/coach more? You can't reasonable assign blame without knowing the 'how'.

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If the best product sold always sold itself, companies wouldn't have sales teams. Sometimes it is the product. Often it is the sales pitch.

Recruit Prosim

I mean, PSU football is without a doubt a better product (right now), so I'm not sure if that argument stands.

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I think the right now matters. Their OC was a genius and now he's the HC at MissSt. They'll still be good but without him and Barkley I don't think next year will be as good as this one was on offense.

Hope so. It would be great for us if they stall out

Recruit Prosim

I think some people here need to have some perspective. All things equal Virginia tech would of locked down Ford if it were for effort. What else could they do? I've never heard of some the stuff they did for just ONE recruit. CJF rolled out the red carpet for this guy...and Penn State snagged him in one weekend. I think that has a lot more to do with the name of the program more so than the effort in recruiting. I think there are things that you can't overcome and brand name is one of them. We aren't blue blood and we will lose these recruiting battles time and time again. That's not to say we shouldn't be trying to win these battles because we can win some but there are some things that great recruiters and money can't overcome and brand is one of those. Sadly VT doesn't carry the same weight as a PSU even with the corruption and scandal that PSU has uncovered over the recent years.

Franklin is a strong recruiter. Significantly better, and with much more experience than Fuente.

It's not just about the name of the school. Franklin recruited well at Vandy, and was able to convince kids to go there. He wasn't landing them bc of the name on the jersey.

I never said it was just the name of the school. I said all things equal (staff, money) PSU still carries more weight and that is the main thing that allowed them to catch back up in recruiting Ford. Franklin at Vandy would of never been able to make up the recruiting ground on Ford in one weekend. Franklin at Penn State can and did because of the brand he represents. Fuente pulled out all the stops to get Ford and still lost him. That should not be a knock on Fuente, that is a knock on Virginia Tech's recognition in the hierarchy of college football.

Fuente pulled out all the stops to get Ford and still lost him. That should not be a knock on Fuente, that is a knock on Virginia Tech's recognition

We run to this excuse a lot, but what validates it? I get it, guys don't want to criticize the head coach, but what info is there to say he really 'pulled out all the stops?' I'm not saying he didn't put in effort, but who's to say more couldn't have been done? Why do we just blindly assume everyone was giving 110% to land him? What quantifiable evidence do we have to continue to give our staff the benefit of the doubt and say 'they did all they could?'

Many posters resign themselves to 'Bama, OSU, UGA, PSU....they recruit themselves." Which IS NOT THE CASE. Certain coaches approach recruiting much differently and with much more passion than others. I get it, resources play a big roll in this, but there is a reason why a guy like Kirby Smart can go into UGA and land the best recruiting class of all time in his first year. It would be easy for him to rest on the name, as they've always recruited well. They'd certainly get players. But he totally overhauled their recruiting approach, and clearly have something working very well.

We're not going to recruit like UGA. We definitely have limited resources. But until we're landing the #1 class every year, there is always room for improvement - and improvements that could be made without more money.

I am not saying we can't criticize the head coach. Obviously VT can make improvements. But I thought there was pretty substantial evidence the staff was going to lengths rarely taken for any prior VT recruits in order to land Ford. How many recruits get personal recruiting pitches from Mike Vick?

I said all things being equal, but let me put it this way..... if Franklin was the head coach at VT and Fuente was at PSU and PSU had been recruiting Ford for years and Ford was seemingly a PSU lock, do you think Franklin would be able to flip him in one weekend for VT? No chance. VT can't flip 5 star recruits in one weekend no matter the coach (Hopefully I'll be proven wrong someday). Blue bloods can.

Is PSU Blue Blood? That's worth discussing. I would say not quite.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

Call them what you want. Their brand/reputation for college football is much more impactful in their recruiting process compared to VT.

I think so...Multiple Natties. Incredible tradition and history. Massive amounts of cash and boosters. Largest stadium in the country

Sean

You have to be extremely nit-picky and selective with the term blue blood to make it not apply to Penn State.

Personally, this one stings a bit more than the rest because the way VT seemingly had everything gong in their favor and over the course of a weekend lost the top recruiting target for 2019 at a position of CRITICAL need. We haven't had a top flight talent at RB in 7 years, and getting Ford would've greatly helped that need as well as given a boost in profile for the program. It's weird to me how Ford would rather be in a position where he'd rather be sitting behind Miles Sanders and Chris Slade rather than come here and be the "savior". Not questioning his decision because he has the right to make his own choices and do what's best for him, but what did Ford see in PSU that he didn't see in VT? The program seemingly did everything they could to get him and still (seemingly) lost out, which for me really caps the potential of the program. It's going to be hard to keep up with the Miami's, FSUs, and Clemson's of the just the ACC not to mention the rest of the country. Money is a valid concern and should be addressed, but this situation shows it's not the only one.

There's one program that features a running back and the other program rotates like 5. There's no doubt in any recruits mind that they can win a starting spot. A coaches system will cast doubt on how their talent gets displayed. I've said this for a few years now that not riding a running back is going to hurt us recruiting in the future but everyone was so gung-ho about Fuente's system. Well here it is

Recruit Prosim

I see you have failed to read any of the numerous articles written about Fuente and a RB. He has said multiple times, if he had a running back who could do all that's asked, pas block, catch passes and run that RB would have the vast majority of carries.
What your asking is for Fuente to give those duties to a back who can't do all of it currently in the hope a recruit sees one back getting carries? So damn the now for the potential future?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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> if he had a running back who could do all that's asked, pas block, catch passes and run that RB would have the vast majority of carries.

I get Fuente's philosophy, and he's certainly not wrong (as far as I'm concerned). There is an argument to be made for putting a back out there that runs really well but can't block/catch, though. I'm not saying that's what we should be doing, but it is a valid argument.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

It's gonna be so fucking funny to read this thread in 20 months after VT RB Devyn Ford is named ACC OROY. If we somehow dig this one out of the dirt with the in-home, there will be some back-pedalin' motherscratchers on this site.

Don't get me wrong - not holding my breath. But there have been bells rung on this thread that can't be unrung.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

I'll happily be a hypocrite if he comes to VT...won't even deny it lol

My "crystal balling" timeline hypothesis will be dead in the water. I hope to be wrong.

Recruiting is just like playing on the field. If we want to be the best we needs to play and win against the best. In recruiting that means going after players that are going to have every program bigger than us in stature and funding after them as well.

To say that failing to secure our top recruit in a single year is somehow an alarm bell of greater ills is illogical. Unless Ford's father is on here feeding us info there isn't a single person, I'll wager, that is in a position to say with authority the why of his decision. It could simply have been a last minute gut feeling. Shit happens. Life goes on. It's not indicative of the program as a whole, which largely looks like better recruiting across the board, it's indicative to a single player in a position that we struggle to recruit in.

Why is that? we haven't had a breakout RB in a LOOOONG time and not under Fuente. Meanwhile PSU churns them out much more regularly with Barkley being selected number 2 in the draft. If your a top RB prospect where nearly everything else is even that could easily be the straw that tips the scales in the other direction. That means dick in regards to effort VT and Fuente made to recruit him.

I seriously doubt given that we have been hearing about Ford for this long and all the bells and whistles being thrown at him that Fuente did not put forth as great an effort as possible. Just go back and look at comments on his recruitment. So comments about insider info on Fuente's lack of focus come off disingenuous when up until this week we were all peaches and cream. They may be true but it looks hindsight and reactionary rather than true.

Coaches need to be held accountable. Hell, I have been screaming about the fact we don't play size at DE so we will never land a true NFL caliber end for so long I feel I'm being redundant. Yet, Foster and Wiles are still great coaches that deliver every year sans those 5 star DE's I so desperately want to see on our DL. Great coaches win despite the disadvantages given to them. Foster is a great coach, and I believe Fuente is a good coach that can be a great coach.

Here is the lesson everyone needs to remember:
Every now and then a single player can truly elevate a team, see Vick, Michael. Yet a missed recruit has never to date every brought a team down. We can debate the missed opportunity all you want, but just like many of those missed DE's I wanted to choose VT rarely made impact at the programs they did choose, if Ford selects PSU and is another Barkley it does not automatically mean he would have been at VT. SO take a step away and realize that this too will pass and VT will continue on, and that at no time ever in your adult life should you let your opinion be swayed by the whims of teenagers trying to make the best decision they can for their future.

When did Penn State get this rep for churning out RBs? They have one good back a decade. Ki-Jana Carter in the 90s, Larry Johnston in the 00s, and Saquon Barkley in the late 10's. Before Barkley it had been almost 15 years since Penn State had a back that made much noise. Tech in that time had DW drafted in the first round, RMFW drafted in the second. Penn State is supposed to be LBU, never been known much for offense.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

good point. My point meant to be more about the recency of Barkley. I agree with you on your point though

This sucks

I'll piggy back on a few arguments I've seen around here with regards to alumni programs.
Personally I did not go to Tech my whole family did so in turn I've always been a die hard fan and personally I've never seen any of my family or my sister who just graduated get anything in regards to HC or any alumni events/donation requests where as her and my dads grad school, william and mary, sends them both multiple things a month about what theyre doing and monthly alum events like oyster roasts and tailgate for alum etc and to me its baffling VT isnt doing anything similar where as a smaller school like WM is doing all this.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Maybe we should start tweeting at recruits

and their parents....

Public Service Announcement: You left off the "/s".

Quick someone make a picture collage of "this is home" the marching Virginians in the shape of Virginia, Mike Vick, and the Devyn Ford Fat head from Bball game!

Well crap.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

Hey Mod, can we rename this thread to "DEVYN FORD MELTDOWN WEEK!"?

Oh my, there's enough salt in this thread to de-ice every road in Virginia.

This is actually going a lot better than I thought it would. Plus everyone is getting this out of their system now so Friday won't be as bad as it may have been otherwise.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I agree. As long as no one goes Full Arnie, then we'll be in good shape.

Oh my, there's enough salt in this thread to de-ice every road in Virginia.

Hey...go f!@# yourself!!

/s

I hate recruiting with a fucking passion

I feed off of nightmares

And that's why I take everything with a grain of salt until the kids put pen to paper on signing day.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

I hate recruiting with a fucking passion

Now if you could have just convinced Galen Scott to feel the same way...

Using /s is for cowards.

no, no. he loved fucking his recruiting passion. get it straight

Question: where are we with Houston??

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

We sit well but I think he is waiting for a bigger offer, which scares me.

so we'll lead until the week of his announcement ? awesome.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

I am sad today, Had a rough morning and this made it worse. I thought we had Ford locked up a long time ago. I take solace in the fact that we will have our revenge in the fall of 2020 on the field. Lions don't have a chance in Lane!!! Gobble f-ing Gobble

Sean

Don't worry. Coleman "Star" Fox will deliver us to the promised land. Cole....please....buddy...pal.

Edit: Slightly different topic, but this is why I was never really on board with letting recruits unveil new uniforms because.....well now it's just awkward.

It was a catch!

If I made a funny comment I probably stole it from Reddit.

stormtrooper ones

Chem PhD '16

So, someone tell me something about this silent commit to make things better. Or did the silent commit just go away?

It's still there. I doubt it would have made a difference in the end, but I think his commitment could have made VT more appealing to Ford.

So is there a reason why this silent commit is being silent for seemingly ages then?

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Everyone has a reason. Honestly not sure what his is though.

Ah my wonder was if the staff has been keeping it quiet to use it later or not

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it


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I know I wasnt the only one to see the Devyn Ford Vent thread that just popped up then dissapeared
And so it begins. I feel like all the mods are now gathering in a meeting right now chanting "The Night is dark and full of terrors."

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

The thread was pointless

It really was. Premature at best and stupid and toxic at worst.

Chem PhD '16

That was my rationale for deleting it. I initially commented, then realized it was going to devolve into stupid nonsense.

bingo

Thankyou for doing that some people cant rationally handle a kid making a decision which sounds silly even saying it but you guys have to deal with the ugly side of that and for the next few days of suffering to come we wish you the best in handling the negativity to come.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

I'm sad to have missed it.

My response there was that the kid can't sign until December. We don't need a thread full of people going full idiot with the kid's name on it.

There is a lot of talk about what fans can do to help recruiting. Donating seems popular these days. But, not acting like a bunch of assholes is totally free. Doesn't cost us a penny. And there's zero risk of such actions damaging our relationships with a recruit. If I were a recruit reading this thread, it wouldn't give me the warm fuzzies about the environment I'm considering. The other thread was going to be worse. There is no need for any of it.

Long story short: you missed nothing.

You mean like this thread?

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Well, that was part of my rationale for deleting it. People were already venting. Why have a new thread with "Devyn Ford Vent Thread" as the title, right at the top of the Tracker? It makes us look like complete idiots. People are upset, fine, but we don't need multiple threads dedicated to (or devolving into) people bitching about this situation.

Next year we'll have a petition to redirect the TKP URL to "VTfanbasedumpsterfire.com for a week or so after decision day.

/S (since everyone's a little touchy this morning)

for a week or so after decision day.

Or maybe two weeks before, where all negative comments will be directed, to remain invisible until after the announcement.

I hear ya. I was just being facetious, but only somewhat.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Im sorry to say this and not to be mean or anything but Tech is never gonna win a natty. Sure they'll have runs to get close to one but everything is against tech to win one

I feed off of nightmares

You win.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

Chem PhD '16

but everything is against tech to win one

That's a pretty steep estimation. How did you come to that?

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from the guy who started a vent thread when we still have an in-home prior to the commitment date?

Chem PhD '16

What?! McGruber started a reactionary knee jerk fire and brimstone thread? That seems out of character!

/s

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

and then wants to be the measured voice of reason when someone says we'll never win a natty!

Chem PhD '16

and then wants to be the measured voice of reason when someone says we'll never win a natty!

Well, one of them.

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Pretty sure the majority will acknowledge that there's a universal expanse between a temporal vent thread from the loss of a recruit (spent 3-4 yrs) in a matter of 3-4 wks vs the "never win a Natty" comment(s). I may no longer be sold on Ford, but I'll pretty much never be sold on this comment.

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This is the pièce de résistance of this thread.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Been on this train for a while. I hate to say it, but the closer I get to this stuff, the more evident it is to me. The financial gap will only continue to grow, which will further our chances more and more. I think we'll make some CFP appearances, but I can't see us beating two top 4 teams in a row that are more than likely, more talented than we will be.

honest question: Does this really matter to you?

Sure I want VT to win the NC as much as everyone else. But us not winning it or not being among the blue chip regulars that will get there year in, year out isn't going to make me not be a fan of the Hokies. I'm still going to root for them. So long as they are fighting with good program direction and coaching, I'll still donate.

Is it different for you? just curious

I think for many fans, we will root for the Hokies no matter what. I'm one of them. My first experience in Lane Stadium was watching the Hurricanes steamroll us in 92. That didn't diminish my fandom.

There are also those fans for whom nothing matters but winning everything. That's understandable. Losing sucks. Especially the closer the game; where one or two plays could have changed the outcome. I finished up a thread a week ago after rewatching every game. I just described every loss we had.

Would having the higher rated recruits have made a difference in those games? Hard to say. We had better players on the field against GT and OK State. I think we were situationally better positioned than Miami, and we were 2 fluke plays from making it interesting against Clemson.

Does having greater resources lead to landing the best recruits? Also hard to say. Texas seemingly has a top tier budget, but their recruiting has taken a hit in the last few years as had their on-field product.

I know times have changed in the last 20 years, but we weren't loaded with a two deep full of 4 and 5 star recruits in 99. We had a few quality guys, some excellent role players, and the best coaching staff in the country. If we aren't at that point now, we're damn close.

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Bottom line, just give me somebody who wants to be a Hokie

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Nothing, short of a Sandusky-esque scandal, will make me stop supporting VT football. Like you said, I just want what's best for the program. The program's success brings me happiness, and conversely, their failures bring disappointment.

I do have a rule that I pretty regularly follow though. Anytime something happens in regards to the football program that makes me feel a heavy emotion, I donate $100. When Frank retired, I donated $100. When Fuente was hired, I donated $100. When we lost to Bristol, when we came back against Arky, lost Clemson, landed Dax, and (soon to) missed on Ford, I donated $100. It's my way awarding the program for its successes, while also supporting in its failures.

I do have a rule that I pretty regularly follow though. Anytime something happens in regards to the football program that makes me feel a heavy emotion, I donate $100. When Frank retired, I donated $100. When Fuente was hired, I donated $100. When we lost to Bristol, when we came back against Arky, lost Clemson, landed Dax, and (soon to) missed on Ford, I donated $100. It's may way awarding the program for its successes, while also supporting in its failures.

We would all do well to imitate this.

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We would all do well to imitate this.

Then again...some of us might go bankrupt and lose our families.

I know. I meant for those that are able (I'm one of those NOT ABLE, so def understand).

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Good guy LAhokie. 🍻

yeah this is what I thought. And sorry if it seemed like I was calling you out, because I suspected your answer (minus the info about donating which is legit) would be along these lines. I just wanted to make the point that while we get upset at these things, ultimately not winning a NC isn't going to sway most reasonable fans. We want to be competitive and at minimum be working toward a positive direction.

Thanks for illustrating my point and always thanks for showing a great mindset in regards to donations.

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I'll answer it anyway.

Honestly, it's starting to be different for me. As a kid whose first fall living in Blacksburg happened to be 1999, at a young age I saw us reach the title game. I'll never be able to convince myself that it's gotten too far away from us. Not without finding rooting for the team utterly pointless. You play to win the game, as Uncle Herm said.

But lately I've found my Hokie faith seriously shaken. 2016 shook me out of the numbness I felt from 2012-2015, but last year's losses were so...sucky. If we really have gotten too far away from it...I just don't have room in my life or my heart for that continued emotional and logistical investment if there's no chance of the ultimate payoff. I'm not done with them by any stretch (as observed by the fact I'm still posting here) but if I'm seen as less of a fan for feeling this way, so be it.

I also suffer from major depression and I haven't ruled out the possibility that that puts a different lens on things for me.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

I sincerely hope you will rediscover the joy of Hokie Football (in whatever shape its in) and of life in general.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Best of luck in working through your depression, I've been fortunate to avoid it in clinical form myself but have seen the damage it can cause through close friends and family. I hope you find what really helps you fight it be it whatever combination of lifestyle changes, medication, therapy, etc works best for you.

Let's pump the brakes on all of this guys. Take a deep breath and walk away from the keyboard for a bit. Did fuente miss on a big recruit? Yes. Does this hurt? Absolutely. But let's remember this time last year we were talking about how awesome fuente was for flipping rivers from a certain team in Pennsylvania. Shit happens welcome to recruiting. Would I like for this not to happen? Absolutely but dont try going through rationalizing an 18 year old decision, you'll go insane trying because we dont know what happens behind closed doors.

Do we need to increase spending and funding for recruiting? Absolutely, but I hate to break it to yall I dont think well ever be bama. I think were going to improve as our fanbase grows (I mean a ton of the new generation Hokies have a fuckton of debt to tackle before that). Just have some damn patience

Believe it or not our recruiting has improved, I remember when landing guys like Ford was a pipe dream yet in the last 2 cycles weve landed hunter and rivers. Two consensus stud talents. Could it improve? Absolutely but to say it hasn't is asinine.

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

Get out of here with your LOGIC and REASON. There's no place for being MEASURED here!

Chem PhD '16

A fan using logic and reasoning my god

via GIPHY

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

eshiben I believe there is a storm a brewing

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

Just Stop!

I think she did.

And if she didn't, it's her own fault for not seeing the signs

Chem PhD '16

So we missed out on Ford? Yikes

This is not going to go over with the fans. The ones on the fence about giving are going to look at this and justify not giving anymore because the funds are being monumentally wasted. This might have to be one of those cases where we just bite the bullet and go full bore with investing into recruiting and take a bit of debt with hopes that results lead to donations. At this point, I don't think that anything outside of seeing us consistently haul in some big recruiting classes with some key wins will see the influx of giving that we desperately need, especially with basketball being able to do as much as they are with the current giving. I know we know the difference, but we're not the average fan, and this is going to hurt.

Ford debuted the new white uniform and now he's supposedly going to Penn St. If this doesn't signal that we need to change, with or without the cash on hand, nothing will.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

This will sting but I'd agree we may have to take some risk to get over this hump to start to get back in the ACC, this stings a bit more because I feel the next few years could be a good window to get back into it with aside from clemson the rest of the league is a bit of an unkown right now

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Ford debuted the new white uniform

even more reason to get rid of the stupid "white effect" game. Put these boys in maroon.

It is my understanding he still doesn't publicly commit till Friday. Until then I will still hope he will be a Hokie. If he doesn't I still wish him well and life will go on.

Or, and stay with me here, it's time for full tilt and croot-tweeting.

WHO'S WITH ME?

Just wanted to stop by

Um Nevermind

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Will it be a miss if we lose out on Ford? Yes. Will life move on yes. Please don't tweet at him saying he made a mistake if he doesn't pick us. Let's support they guys we have and move on.

1-0 every week

Just a simple yes or no question, is the in-home still happening?

“Stats are for losers.” -Mel Kiper Jr.

Edit: misread. no clue

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

Good question, it might be over but if we still have the last in-home we could at least chuck a hail mary (or a hook and lateral if we feel we don't have the arm strength to get it there in one toss).

Devyn, are you a big fan of Hardee's? Because I think we can sweeten the pot a little.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

gotta trust The Process (tm)

Not the bagman VT deserves, but the bagman VT needs right now.

/s

In-homes aren't allowed at this point. But the staff (excluding Fuente I believe) will be at North Stafford on Thursday.

Do NCAA rules mean Fuente cant be there or is he choosing to not go? Not a good look if he doesnt go for a last shot at our supposed top guy on the boards

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Yeah, barring a death in the family or something personal like that that takes priority over your job this should be absolute #1 priority for him right now unless there is an NCAA rule preventing it.

So why isn't Fuente there? He HAS to be there if there is any hope of trying to change his mind.

Thats my feeling dont go all in till the last minute then once things get iffy back off but oh well onto whoevers next on the list if its really over.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Head coaches only get so many in homes with each recruit. I think Fuente used Ford's already.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Except this isn't an in home visit. They're visiting his high school. So why isn't the head coach coming with the rest of the staff to see our #1 target?

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Head Coaches are not allowed out on the road recruiting at this time....

Thank you I wasn't sure of the rule. But for some it's easier just to belief Fuente chose not to go and visit the kid.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

I was not aware of this rule either, thank you! Not like this is surprising, but that seems like a dumb rule to allow the staff to go out and recruit except for the head coach.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Ah, well...as long as it's an in face type deal I'm cool with it.

“Stats are for losers.” -Mel Kiper Jr.

Maybe Beamer's GPS will accidentally take him to Devyn's home when he meant to punch in the address for the nearest Cookout. Fuente will be with him because Frank wanted to take Justin for a milkshake.

Maybe a certain former QB from the late 90s early 00s could be in the car with Beamer and Fuente and as well...

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Just for future reference, can we have the "self-doubt/negativity about the program/fundraising/recruiting" threads be separate from the "recruiting/commitment threads with our recruits names on them" threads?

Seems like we get those all mixed up together the week before commitment if there are negative crystal balls or someone comments that "his cousin said he ain't comin' ". Suddenly every doubt anyone ever had about the program gets aired all in one place. Don't look now, but it's a public site that all our recruits can and do read. I'm all about transparency, but we should at least have the program doubts in a different thread.

People are here complaining over whether Fuente can do something more with respect to recruiting, when it's clear to me that we (as fans) aren't selling the program very well. I mean both of these recruiting threads have been "Yikes" territory. This is a top 25 program with top 25 recruiting, great facilities, and a top-notch coaching staff. I'd like to say we have great fans, because I know they are. If a recruit were truly on the fence, and he looked at this thread, would he be more inclined or less inclined to choose Virginia Tech? I ask again, are we doing our part? I'm not just talking about sending in money.

It's a long way to the top if you want to rock n roll.

Just a question...

But is this really over? Is he playing this thing at all? Do all the "insiders" really know what is going on?

Is it football season yet?

It's over for Friday.

But it's a long ways till signing day fam.

Also, love y'all for keeping things light with gifs, other boards don't have that tradition.

Oh shit, he committed to PSU? What did I miss?

Didn't you get the memo?

This thread isn't waiting for Friday.

An "insider" posted on 247 behind the pay wall. I haven't seen here what all the fuss is actually about, but apparently our football program is crumbling as we speak and we'll never be competitive.

oh, we Uva now?

apparently we are close but still have more than 5 D linemen on the roster

/s

Question for contingency: LA Hokie was kind enough to provide some transparency about Houston. Whom else after him (Houston)???

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Maryland

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Right now it's mainly Maryland and UNC. From some interviews I've read, I think he's hoping for a Michigan offer.

Sorry. I should've clarified. I meant, should Houston go somewhere else, whom are options/recruits C through everything else??

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This is all just a set up for our epic National Championship victory led by Cole Beck over the hated, Devyn Ford led Penn State.

I legit forgot about Cole Beck until you posted this. I'd spent the last day or so thinking about what our RB depth will look like after the next two seasons with Fox and McClease set to graduate after 2019. Holston is the only other guy on the roster who has gotten carries up to this point who will still be around.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I'm surprised somebody on this site forgot about Beck considering it seemed everybody posting in every single recruiting thread view him as the second coming.

/s

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Guess this is what I get for not subjecting myself to recruiting threads.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I like Beck. I think he'll be a solid RB, but not a world beater. I'm curious to see his ability to get past the opposing D-line. But if he gets into open field......whoo boy, he gone.

It was a catch!

If I made a funny comment I probably stole it from Reddit.

I think everyone wants some clarity. Are we losing our minds because we are losing crystal balls? Or has he already silently committed to PSU? Or are we just worried that history will repeat itself? Did his cousin spill the beans? What has actually happened?

Our insiders aren't feeling great and the cbs are from Tech guys. As cloudy as Dax was last year, Watkins never changed his prediction because he had no reason to. When the top guys like that are now changing and going the other way, there is legit worry.

Thank you for this clarification and question. I have been wondering the same thing TKPing at work and trying to skim this thread I thought there was an announcement somewhere that I missed. I get the legit worry but I have always wondered how these predictors gather information if they aren't close to the family. I get they have sources but where does that even come from? I know they are right a lot but it seems like a lot of guessing.

I've always been a very light follower of recruiting really starting to pay more attention in the last couple years, mainly thanks to TKP, so a lot of this is still new and unknown to me.

Vols Fans are more delusional than LOLUVA

Hokie in Tennessee

You're right, nobody can ever know for sure. Anthony Grant told our coaches at 7pm before signing day last year he was gonna be a hokie. Two hours later he gets a call from Willie Taggert and at 8am that morning he commits to FSU. These kids are so young and it's such a big decision that sometimes they truly are split between two schools.

I don't know enough about Matej and Evan to know who their sources are, but they are usually very accurate with top Tech prospects and for both of them, along with a select few national analysts, to switch at the last minute is concerning. Sometimes it is a guessing game, but it's one that some of these guys are pretty damn good at.

Really wish I had listened when I saw "Nothing to see here" with 300 new comments

Same. As I just said I'm trying to skim this thing at work and I got completely lost.

Vols Fans are more delusional than LOLUVA

Hokie in Tennessee

Guys. "Crystal Balls" are stupid, and it is not healthy to obsess over this.

Not the bagman VT deserves, but the bagman VT needs right now.

crystal balls aren't stupid! look at this one showing devyn ford walking into a PSU dumpster fire. (/s I know PSU isn't that bad but I couldn't help it)

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

Everyone saying that missing out on Ford is a massive failure by the staff, I don't get it. It isn't like they didn't do everything they could to get him here. He is making a decision about his future and if he thinks PSU fits him better, then I wish him the best. The coaches sell what we have to offer and if that isn't enough, it isn't enough. It doesn't matter how good of a salesman you are if your customer likes a competitor's product better for their own reasons. It will sting if we miss out on him but people who blame the staff and plan to stop donating because of the decisions of teenagers have bigger issues than worrying about football.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

It isn't like they didn't do everything they could to get him here.

What evidence do you have of this?

You making the blanket assumption that this isn't the case is no different/better than making the assumption that it is.

Edit: But then again your assumption is truthfully worse as you are assuming guilt until proven innocent as opposed to the other way around.

Using /s is for cowards.

How is my question any more false than the original statement? I'm not assuming guilt. It's a reasonable question.

I like our coaches, but they've got shortcomings and lack experience, which is somewhat to be expected. I'm genuinely curious how we can just say "they did everything they could!" and just be good with that. What substantive proof is there that we really did 'everything we could'

What substantive proof is there that we really did 'everything we could'

I never said there was, but you're pretty deliberately implying the opposite. You're operating on the unfair assumption that the staff could have done something that would have kept Ford on our side. I'm saying that we don't have grounds to assume either extreme but I do have a bigger problem with assuming unsubstantiated failure than assuming unsubstantiated blamelessness.

Using /s is for cowards.

you're pretty deliberately implying the opposite.

Please show me where I did that.

I posed the question 'how do we know' because there are so many posts to the tune of "oh well, we did everything we can. Nothing we could have done" most of which, I don't know what they're based on.

Please show me where I did that.

You can't actually be serious. How about this entire thread... I honestly didn't feel like going back through every post so here's a quick gem from the first post I glanced at from you...

This is really disappointing and is a failure on the staffs end. Excuses will flow, but this one is pretty inexcusable.

So if I got anything wrong it's that you're not simply implying unsubstantiated failure, you're explicitly stating it.

Using /s is for cowards.

Go read what the true recruiting insiders on 247 have to say on the topic. I'm not pulling this out of my ass.

Lol so first you ask me to show you where where you blamed the staff. I do just that and now you're acting like you weren't just denying it.

Look I get it. You're pissed. Nobody's happy about this, but you need to go take some time to chill out. Right now you're looking for something specific and singular to blame and you're throwing all you're eggs in that basket based on something that you're now saying is coming from behind a paywall (I don't have a 247 sub btw).

Here's the thing. I wish this was exclusively the coaches fault. I really do, because if it was then the fix would be more tangible. It would mean that the solution is simply a matter of effort or strategy. However that is just far too simple and convienent. It's like believing that a diet pill will make you look like a supermodel in 3 months.

Can the coaches recruit better? I'm sure they can. Will more money/resources make a difference? Of course. But guess which one will make the biggest impact? Yea it's the money. I know it makes you mad to hear that but we've thrown around the numbers countless times around here and we've seen how money correlates directly with recruiting statistics. Recruiting ability and tactics matter, but they certainly aren't going to make the impact that you want them to.

Using /s is for cowards.

reasonable. good post.

Because there is evidence to say that they went out of their way to make him be more than just another recruit (preview new unis, Vick run-in, etc.), but yet you have provided nothing to the contrary to say they didn't do everything they could have.

It seemed like the red carpet was absolutely rolled out for this guy at every turn. Go back and re-read the writeups following his visits. All anyone could talk about was how we "hit it out of the park". Then he went to PSU and apparently fell in love with the prettier girl.

(O&M glasses off... It isn't hard to see why PSU might be more attractive to HS football players, especially RBs, than VT)

I think the better question is what evidence is there that the coaching staff gave less than 100%? If the argument is they aren't giving 100% if they aren't making minor recruiting violations I recommend finding another team to pull for.

As someone who was "behind the scenes" at the spring game, the staff, current commitments and signees along with some others were falling over themselves to make sure Ford was having a good trip.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I saw you were there. I'm just not sure what the baseline is. What are you comparing your experience to in regards to what you saw? This is an area where we need to get more effective. If we're doing the same things, or not putting in the effort that our competition is, it's tough to swallow that 'we did the best we could'

Why are you trying so hard to pass blame to the recruiting effort? If there was a magical formula for how to sweet talk these kids, just do it for every 5 star in the country and have the best recruiting class. There will be uncontrollable misses. Most times, coaches fold early. Other times they are dealt a full house and you lose your big money bet when the competitor draws a straight flush. It appears to be a failure. It's not...just a bad hand.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

"roll out the red carpet" and "hit it out of the park" compared to what? How VT recruits players? How other schools recruit players? How blue bloods recruit players? Those are generic terms that aren't really quantifiable, but since a couple guys on a message board used them, suddenly our staff did everything in their power? Whatever has been done with Ford, and many past targets, doesn't seem to be effective, so I'd be curious how we're addressing that and modifying our approach. My main worry is we're not.

Additionally, I'm not sure why PSU is much more attractive than VT when it comes to RBs. Barkley was the man, but beyond that, they're not pumping guys into the draft with any regularity.

Also, I said nothing about recruiting violations.

Unless you get some truly insider information, all we can know is that the staff went out of their way to make Ford a priority and spent a ton of time and resources reinforcing that. PSU erased years of relationships in a weekend it appears. To me, he was looking for something VT doesn't offer and PSU does; what that is, I have no idea.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

Well not one weekend...Franklin has been recruiting Ford since he was in 8th grade. It's not like they came out of nowhere.

Sean

I suggest you look at the video of PSU facility's, look at people on his high school team who are going there, their national relevance right now and yes their top 5 draft pick at RB all are something I know I would look at as a kid.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Ford didn't swing to PSU in a weekend because he saw the facilities (which he's already seen)

PSU has had 2 good seasons. They have a coach who is engaging, present online and in the media, and is a salesman. I'd actually argue that the perception of PSU right now is much more significant than reality, considering they're 2 years off of back to back 7-6 seasons

I think you and @marb2 need your own thread where you can disagree with each and see who hates somewhat optimistic VT Football fans more.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

Alright, thanks.

Me hoping we can get more effective at recruiting and not just being content with the "oh well we tried our hardest" excuse (which isn't really based on anything concrete, given most of the specific posters are saying it), doesn't make me hate optimistic fans. I want a National Championship. Not the status quo.

It's not the message... it's the delivery.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

All of yall are being kinda unfair to outoftowner. At the beginning he posted a fairly legit question and one that had been discussed earlier. If you recall, LA had insider information and he called out Fuente for not doing everything he could. This is a legit question that was answered earlier and got quite a few legs. I understand he had sources and information, but outoftowner didn't come out and say "no he didn't do all he could" without providing info. Yea his first question could come across as if he was implying that, but I think some of you took that and ran with it.

It is easy to assume that our coach, who we all love, did everything he possibly could have. We have evidence of him going out of his way and doing things for Devyn no other Tech recruit has had done for them before. But the question is still legitimate. I'm not here to argue about little things, I just couldn't not say anything after this all happened earlier when LA provided evidence of some concerning things he heard this recruitment.

For the record, judging whether a coach did everything he could is kinda impossible based on our lack of information and measuring something that isn't entirely quantifiable, but I just wanted to stand up for a fellow TKPer who wasn't being a complete dick.

If it is indeed true that Fuente wasn't a part of the visit yesterday (as LAHokie has suggested), then Fuente did *not* do everything he could. There's no excuse for Fuente not being there for our number one recruit the day before his commitment. None.

My account was hacked.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

Except for the fact that head coaches aren't allowed on the road recruiting right now.

Wait, really?

If so, my bad. NCAA recruiting rules make no sense.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

Yes the above is true. My point besides pointing out what LA said earlier is that it's impossible to determine what "everything they could do" is. He could have texted him one more time or done something little or been more creative on visits. It's too nuanced. But go look at LAs comments earlier in this thread and you will see what I was referencing.

Here's to hoping Ford is pulling one of the biggest troll jobs in history

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

I thought he was committing on Friday?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

General feelings about opinions given earlier in the thread:

If it takes stooping to the level of some of these other schools to win recruiting battles, I'd rather just stay 8 to 10 game winners every year. I root for VT because I'm proud of how they compete, not for how many W's they produce. If that was all I was looking for, I'd just start rooting for bama and save myself a lot of heartburn. I've never been more embarrassed to be a Hokie fan than the Marcus Vick/Chris Ellis years.

I think Devyn is making a bad decision. If Fuente is the person I think he is he would put more care and effort into seeing Ford succeed than Franklin.
But that's my opinion and his decision. It don't mean Fuente should compromise his integrity, and it certainly don't mean he should be called in question for a teenager's poor judgement!
Y'all think we could've landed QP without that level of integrity?

All the toxic drama is a bad look folks. This is the kind of stuff Fuente wanted to keep out of the SEC for in the first place. Be a little thankful for what you've got sometimes!

Go Hokies!

And yes I do like my lawn untrodden, why do you ask?

I'm getting a vibe that there's a fair amount of policing of individual's emotions on this thread. Just an observation.

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Whoa. Just stepped in here. No way am I reading all of this. Like, no fucking way.

I'll just say, shame on you guys. You're melting down because some guys on the internet BELIEVE that on Friday some kid MIGHT basically just say, "I think I'm going to Penn State, today."; even though ain't no rings going on no fingers till Christmas break.

Good Lord...

Leonard. Duh.

I think you should read the thread....

Is it football season yet?

For those who think PSU swooped in and "stole" him. He was offered in April 2016, Was hosted there in November 2015 as a Freshman. Went to Junior day in February 2017 and went to the Blue and White game that spring. Was at their win over Michigan this fall, and had an official in February as well as the trip a few weekends ago. PSU put in the work with him it wasn't just a glitzy one off visit that got him. If he ultimately decides PSU then he probably just feels more comfortable there after several visits. I don't know if our staff did everything they could but I'm going to assume they did.

Sean

What part of "meltdown" do you not understand? I'm going to have to score you really low on the outrage scale, as you're being far too reasonable. They had to have put something in his drink and now he's under a magic spell.

lol @ this

Thaaaank you. Aside from the knee-jerk "this staff can't recruit" bs this thread has veered into, I find it hilarious that people are acting like PSU just cherry-picked DF on a whim.

They've been all over him for 2.5 years. But because he's from Virginia, in a lot of Hokies' minds "he's ours to lose". State lines mean something to fans of the big state school hoping to "keep" a kid "home". They mean zilch to the kids themselves - unless they have concerns about being close to their family.

EDIT (obviously ha):
Speaking of that: did I mention State College Beaver Stadium is closer to only 16 miles farther from DF's home high school than Blacksburg Lane Stadium?

Thanks for the correction, TouchdownTech - but I'd say my point still stands, right?

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

not sure about home for DF but a quick google map directions from North Stafford HS to PSU is 4 hr 34 minutes. From North Stafford HS to VT is 3 hr 53 minutes so while close, VT is "closer to home"

1-0 every week

I think Everyone was taken by surprise because it was supposed to be Ohio state and VT. Once Ohio state was out we all thought it was a done deal . Guess we shall see

I dunno why, but your comments on Ford seem to indicate you know more than you're letting on.

Hokie fan | W&M grad

This has probably already been said, but I'm not going to read all 400 new comments in this thread:

When and if Devyn Ford commits to Penn State, let's not be the fan base that litters his Twitter mentions with "I hope you fail" and "you're making the wrong decision" tweets. Throughout his whole recruitment, all of us have acted like we care about his future just because we want to see him in a VT jersey. Wishing a kid to fail just because he doesn't choose a team you root for is whack as hell. Don't focus on the kid for not committing to VT, focus on the coaches for not landing the player.

Marshall University student.
Virginia Tech fanatic.

Don't disagree, but always feel like these comments on tkp are kinda preaching to the choir.

I think you'd be surprised.

Marshall University student.
Virginia Tech fanatic.

I doubt many will do that, but this is such a small percentage of the Hokie fan base. It's going to happen regardless, man.

unfortunately true. Although someone who is on TKP regularly and does it should be ashamed of themselves because they know better, but as you mentioned we aren't the only VT fans out there.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Wow! What a read that was!

Just want to leave some thoughts below based off what I've read above and stuff I've seen on here or articles I've previously read regarding Ford's recruitment. I will focus on factors outside of our control that seem to point to PSU.

1. Less than a month ago this was a VT vs. OSU battle for Ford and I recall reading then that his HS coach was pushing for B1G over ACC (generalized obviously) and that was helping OSU and is likely helping PSU.

2. Ford has connections with current players at or headed to Penn State that we just simply cannot match (Slade, Nana, likely Kelly and Smith in this class) It's highly possible that he wants to play with his friends, and there is nothing we can do about that.

3. PSU's Blueblood status, just having a RB as the number 2 pick in the draft, etc. certainly didn't help us.

With that being said, I am not chalking this up as our staff did all they could do and it is what it is. I'm sure there are improvements to be made to our recruiting be it resources, approach, or any of the multitude of reasons discussed at length above and believe the staff should be exploring/working on all of these. With that being said I think there is something to be said for the fact that the best salesman can still get beat if he's selling an "inferior" product. At the end of the day it's the buyers decision and the salesman can only hope to influence them.

TL:DR Factors outside of our control likely hurt us and surely there are things that our staff can improve on in recruiting (not mutually exclusive). I think we can all agree on this and put a stop to the never-ending back and forth

Omg...

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HOKIES

FWIW, I texted my buddy again about his thoughts on the recent activity, and he said his thought process hasn't really changed. I really, really don't want to get anyone's hopes up, because I don't really think it's up for grabs anymore, but just figured I'd pass it along.

I know you cant give up your sources, and I don't expect you to, but is this person someone in VT Athletics, a friend of Devyn's family, a HS football coach.... What is his connection to Devyn's recruitment?

I always maintain a negative perspective around big time recruts simply because of the track record but I would love to be wrong.

I don't want to speak for LA, but connecting the dots, it seems like the leaker is in VT athletics. He's had good info on more than a handful of recruits.

Little Bobby Tables told me my signature was false

However the info was "leaked"(if it was at all)..i think the fact that we have reportedly offered or visited 2 RB with similar size characteristics to Ford in the past few days should be a pretty strong sign that the staff knows the outcome already.

I'm all for being surprised, but it seems like VT staff has already started looking for the next option.

Normally I talk to some college friends that are still involved with the program. But this guys is well connected in the Fredericksburg/Stafford area.

I really, really don't want to get anyone's hopes up, because I don't really think it's up for grabs anymore, but...

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

I hate recruiting season.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

I hate recruiting season.

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I hate recruiting season.

"If at first you do not succeed, then skydiving is not for you." - Anonymous

I love football season.

Proud author of one plaid comment.

Finally someone puts a positive spin on things!

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

I hate Recruiting season!

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"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

This is exactly how I feel when its the fall and I say I'm not gonna pay attention to recruiting except to look at the threads of guys that committed. Somehow come off season.....

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

I hate recruiting season.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Not to get into a discussion about coachs how great they are but I do think Zohn is a great recruiter just not at RB. I never really got the decision to put him as RB coach in the first place.

All the rest of the crap, I am staying far far away from. It's above my pay grade and opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Zohn needs to return to WRs. It's time.

I hate secreting reason.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Now that it's Wednesday where's the guy that posted last week that he'll check back in on Wednesday of this week.....man is he in for a surprise.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Sup Bragg (side note you in NC?), anyhow, I've been watching from the sidelines, seeing the 247 CB's switch. Honestly I'm numb to it, I'm of the mindset, that I don't think we're a RB away from MNC contention. At least that's the lie I'm telling myself to deal with this better. For some reason sports is a means of acquiring the sense of accomplishment when everything else in life is crappy (piss-poor coping mechanism, I know). So as the smoke grew, I stepped away as best as I could, because I couldn't bear the letdown. I peeked in on TKP here and there, can't stay away from the site I guess, I enjoy the comradery too much. It's disappointing, especially since I'm a North Stafford alum, was pretty hyped about having a NSHS Wolverine on the Hokies. Life goes on. No need to tweet at the croot, I honestly wish him the best, he seems like a good kid. I think Barkley being drafted #2 and Franklin getting air time nonstop that week on E$PN was the nail in the faith coffin for me.

I don't know if we'll ever win a championship in my lifetime, but I'll always love my Hokies till I'm 6 feet under. So unless things change dramatically by Friday (still holding on to a sliver of hope), my mindset is, its:

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"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Yeah I lived in NC for about 10 years and am actually moving back at the end of this month.

I agree with your statement completely.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

When I was in VA I was doing some work with the Army and would frequently find myself down at Fort Bragg. Good ol' Fayet'Nam.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Yeah, it's so packed. They just keep forcing more stuff into the same area instead of expanding. Plus Bragg is the largest Army post population wise in the states. So many joes. I own a house just north of Bragg in Spring Lake which is starting to get some stuff but still not enough to not need to go to either Fayetteville or Raleigh, which we obviously prefer. Actually hope to end up in Raleigh after we are done in a few years. At least that's one of the places we are looking at.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Used to stay at the Hampton Inn in Spring Lake all the time. I know exactly where you're talking about.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Yo Bill Greene just switched his CB to VT I think
( not sure because of the dumb VIP Crystal Ball thing)

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

One dude still holding out for Clemson.

wait till Ford shocks the world and picks FSU

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

DAMNIT, 3 minutes!

Two days broski

Joke is on all of them, he'll probably end up at Florida State....

If Ford commits to FSU, I'll strip nude..streak, and post it on TKP. ...I think the ban would be well worth it.

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

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Let's Go

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Something tells me they're in for a real shocker when he picks Florida State.

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He put one in for PSU

This is the first year I've followed recruiting....maybe it should be the last. Ignorance is bliss.

JP

Hear. Hear. My opinion is coaches get paid to fret over this lunacy. I don't. Once a kid becomes a Hokie, I'm his/hers (Title IX) biggest fan and I will cheer them on.

Before or besides that, you are a stranger and are to be approached with caution, if at all.

Leonard. Duh.

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what kills me about this miss, is that the previous recruiting misses (his elite teammates) who went to PSU are part of reason why we had so much trouble keeping Ford. Its almost a perpetuating cycle...