Paxton Lynch VS Joshua Jackson

TKP has clamored about how our offense stalled last year, because of JJ's lack of running ability, which limits the way the offense opens up.

This got me thinking, Paxton Lynch was not a runner, and he was able to get the Memphis Offense humming, there is no reason JJ could not do the same.

Let's check out each players rushing stats:

Paxton Lynch Rushing Stats

JJ's Rushing Stats

(If someone could embed the charts, that would be great, but I do not know how to do it!)

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Lynch was a much better runner than Jackson

Lynch's best rushing season he ran for 321 yrds. Jackson ran for 324 yrds. year 1. Lynch ran the ball fewer times however, but its kind of a wash for me. Jackson, can still rush for more yardage in upcoming seasons.

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You need to go back and watch the film. Fuente heavily relied on Lynch as a power runner, both in short yardage and as a threat on inverted veers to occupy the backside linebacker. Plus, Lynch may have been a one read QB, yet Fuente had him run scramble drills to allow WRs to get open on broken plays. Lynch created a ton of big plays with his legs, especially throwing to the back shoulder of covered wide receivers.

Jackson had better long speed than Lynch, so in instances like against West Virginia where Jackson had monstrous holes and no second level support, his long speed allowed him to stretch out runs. Lynch, however, was MUCH quicker with his first step to the line of scrimmage out of a fake handoff and was much more difficult to tackle.

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Fuente also used Andy Dalton as a runner (Chris Brown did a legendary review of how Dalton and Fuente essentially created the inverted veer against Clemson.) The position doesn't need a gamebreaker. However, it needs a runner who can consistently make the correct read, sell the run, and get into the hole and maximize the gain. It was very obvious at the end of last season that opposing defenses were crashing on the tailback dive with almost no regard that Jackson could beat them keeping the ball 15 times a game. Against GT (I believe- going by memory here), as soon as Bush came in the game, the defense completely changed how they defended the tailback and suddenly the VT run game started to pop.

I don't know what the answer is here. Willis may not be a terrific running threat. However, if he is mobile enough to be a threat and can be much more efficient in the short passing game, that is a different way of taking the extra defender out of the box. If Hooker somehow turns things around, he has a frame and the quickness to make the defense be more honest. Jackson is an ok runner- I think his injuries had an impact in his diminished effectiveness. But, he isn't fast enough to get to the edge when well defended, and he isn't big enough to move the pile. And, he isn't accurate and efficient enough to keep the defense outside... at least not based on last season and what was publicly available for analysis this spring.

Fuente has a big test- can Jackson improve, or can Fuente get another guy ready that can allow the offense to run at a much more efficient level? Ultimately, the outcome will likely be his legacy in Blacksburg, because if the current threesome, Patterson, or Ellis don't end up become at least an All-ACC caliber QB, it will be very difficult for Fuente to survive. Especially with the level of tension suddenly rising with the lack of program access, the dip late last season, and the public shortcomings in recruiting that have continued.

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I agree he has to improve, but you make it seem like Fuente is on the hot seat. He's probably the hottest commodity in College Coaching and the fanbase loves him. He is hardly on the leash you describe.

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I think hot seat is a stretch. However, I think there needs to be some growth and development from "his guys", especially now since essentially all the guys who were Beamer-era starters have moved on. There is a palatable air of concern starting to bubble up that has revealed itself in stagnant fundraising. Things are not all hunky dory. I think most of the negativity is short sighted. But, I am also starting to have some concerns.

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An air of concern after 2 years and one ACC title appearance following a stretch of mediocracy? .......Ok........guess some are reaching for some FSU or ALABAMA type expectations huh.....

My expectations are not what I am referencing. I will be more blunt. There are enough people who do not feel that progress is being made that there isn't enough growth in fundraising to keep up in the resource arms race that college football is now. As they fall behind on those resources, they will ultimately fall behind on the field, and that is what gets coaches removed from employment.

As for me, I like the X's and O's. His kids play hard for him. I don't question the players effort. All positives.

Yet, there are negatives, and they are being noticed: the lack of personal dynamic engagement, the lack of program access, losing multiple top recruits in-state to Penn State (we can debate on how many of those guys will be good players- Ford's loss hurts. Some of the other ones that will commit to PSU and other OOS schools, I am not convinced will be big losses on the field BUT missing on them hurts the prestige in the Commonwealth), the faith placed in Galen Scott and the resulting embarrassment for the school, the lack of an impressive hire for the 10th coach, (again, hurts perception even though I am a guy who wants to root for a program who promotes internally when the candidate deserves it), not adding more recruiting staff and losing Chuck Cantor to the SEC, these are things that, in today's immediate gratification environment can derail a head coaching tenure.

All these ills get cured by winning, and winning will only happen in Fuente can develop one of his quarterbacks into a program-elevating star that brings VT back as a top tier program in the ACC. Ultimately, that is how he will be judged.

Don't kill the messenger. I am happy if I can enjoy my Saturday watching the game, and the team turns in enough of a competitive performance that, when I log in, there isn't a bunch of misery. But, that standard isn't ok for the folks who are cutting the checks right now. And, if they aren't happy, they don't pay, and if they don't pay, coaches pay with their jobs. That is college football right now.

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Fuente just needs to continue to do what he is doing on the field, and everything else will come. Recruiting and donations. We are still a step behind the blue blood schools and if people out there are complaining they should start doing their own part. Money isn't only Fuente's responsibility, its also Whit's.

I can't believe we are sitting here 2 years in complaining about anything.

As for the QB Development: Evans his own hand chosen QB was absolutely amazing.

Josh can do certain things, but he will certainly develop one of his own guys from scratch, I don't think there is a fan that is concerned about it.

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I don't think a sit back and wait approach is effective for donations. Winning and money are intertwined inseparably. They need to grow together, not depend on one to support the other.

This ia in NO WAY directed at French. My reply is in response to the ridiculousness of these reasons.

the lack of personal dynamic engagement, the lack of program access, losing multiple top recruits in-state to Penn State (we can debate on how many of those guys will be good players- Ford's loss hurts. Some of the other ones that will commit to PSU and other OOS schools, I am not convinced will be big losses on the field BUT missing on them hurts the prestige in the Commonwealth), the faith placed in Galen Scott and the resulting embarrassment for the school, the lack of an impressive hire for the 10th coach, (again, hurts perception even though I am a guy who wants to root for a program who promotes internally when the candidate deserves it), not adding more recruiting staff and losing Chuck Cantor to the SEC, these are things that, in today's immediate gratification environment can derail a head coaching tenure.

Wow... If these are the reasons people are upset then honestly VT has an even bigger issue with donors.

Dynamic engagement & Program Access: who is getting frozen out and how much are they actually giving? I guarantee if your cutting checks for serious money you have access and engagement.

Losing top recruits: It was happening long before. It takes longer than 2 years to right that wrong. If you think it's immediate for a program like VT then your not wearing O&M glasses you're swimming in a pool of O&M kool aid.

Galen Scott: Unless some info comes out where Fuente was fighting for him in the face of Scott's problems this is bullshit. As soon as info was public Scott was out the door. Happy to hear info to the contrary. And how is this an embarrassment? It's the personal actions of one person that made a tiny blip on the news cycle.

10th hire: Ok, if this is as resounding an issue as this then it's fairly easy to solve and something I am sure Fuente's boss would make known to him.
What is Whit's position? Anyone know? Is there any context, any info to provide credence to the percieved displeasure and Fuente resistance to address that displeasure by replacing this staff member?

More recruiting staff: Is Fuente not hiring people or does he not have money to hire people? I doubt he is sitting on a pile of cash. So if your complaint is you want more recuiting staff then give more and encourage others to give more.

Chuck Cantor: sucks to lose him, but no organization this size can be brought down by one employee moving on. The better question is why did he move on. Was it displeasure with how Fuente ran things or was it simply a better opportunity with better pay? Was there personal reasons he moved to where he did, eg. Family.? Was he offered matching money? Was there no money to offer? If no money to offer, and this is your issue, then donate more and encourage others to donate. Where is the context?

Look I am not saying things are perfect. I am not saying things can't improve. But if these are the reasons people are upset and Fuente is on a hot seat, then I call Bullshit. I need a lot more convincing to believe any of these claims and everyone else should too before they believe them.

If you are hearing any of this from fellow fans, call them on it. Ask for context. Ask for proof. Ask for anything that makes it more than mob mentality perception. Call bullshit for what it is.

Now that rant is over, the sad fact is French is likely 100% right, and this is college football today. But why not be better than that.

Cantor got a big promotion. Big increase in pay and an increase in responsibility. It was not a lateral-with-more-money kind of move.

The issue is not that he left for a promotion, the issue is that at VT that type of promotion is simply not available due to the size of our recruiting support staff compared to other top programs in the ACC, SEC and BfT.

Then how does that reflect poorly on Fuente? I am responding to the assertion that not retaining Cantor is a knock on Fuente as head coach. I appreciate the info though because you're proving my point.

The only legitimate complaint I see is the lack of public access. Fuente seems to want to keep out as many distractions as possible. However, I think it had a negative impact as far as keeping the fan base engaged and excited. Spring ball used to bring enough practice reports and buzz that I was ready to rush through the summer to get to that first kickoff. It feels different now. I respect what he is trying to do but I think a little more exposure could go a long way.

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No one complains that Saban restricts and controls media at Bama. This is just the dumbest reason I can see anyone being upset at any Coach. The good ones actually do this.

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Bama is the premier program in the country. They get plenty of national press, virtually daily exposure on ESPN(U).

Building and maintaining a brand requires some exposure. We're struggling to even create a regional buzz amongst our own fanbase. The sales job becomes a lot more difficult when no one even hears about the product for an 8 month stretch.

I agree. The closed practices (especially in th spring and camp) ina world where folks are bombarded with constant access and information for everything is a recipe for disengagement. Why can't a student walk over after a class and watch a practice? This isn't the Cold War. Access, letting your fan base feel a connection and create an emotional investment creates financial investment.

Does any of that land Ford? I don't know. But if folks are around these high schools and are excited and vocal about VT football, maybe some of these kids perceptions will change. Right now, the Claus'Ometer feels like it is really low. Maybe it is just me, and I am projecting my own growing apathy on the situation. But it sure feels like the excitement and enthusiasm is down a bit, especially in the wake of this miss.

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I can only speak to my own personal experience. I do not feel the excitement and anticipation leading up to the season that we used to have. I'm not saying it is something to put Fuente in the hot seat. I just think the sealed off exposure does more harm than good. Saban and Bama is a poor comparison.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

I get the criticism but at same time Fuente and Saban are not unique in their paranoia regarding keeping practices closed. As VTFootballGrad said, a lot of coaches do it all over the country.

The issue we have is that VT's donor base is smaller and seemingly more and more fickle every year. Sure, I can understand the reluctance of a donor base that is looking for Fuente to bring some much needed excitement to Blacksburg (which I think he has done, or at minimum has begun to do). But as much as we fans want the exposure more big time coaches close practices, and the saying goes: To be the best, gotta beat the best. Part of that has got to be emulating like the best, as well.

The silly thing is that if we beat FSU, excitement will be at an all time high. I personally can't wait for this season, but then again I can't wait for any season.

I didn't even know people were apprehensive about the upcoming year, to me this is the most exciting time in VT football in almost a decade.

He is the figurehead, and he hasn't been able to inspire more giving. That shouldn't matter, but in today's football world it does.

I hate this. What should matter is 1) can he teach the game? 2) can he give his student athletes the tools to be their best on the field and off? Sadly, in today's college football arms race of resources, that just isn't enough. And it's sucks.

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He is the figurehead, and he hasn't been able to inspire more giving. That shouldn't matter, but in today's football world it does.

Yeah I understand this, but aren't donations up more than last 5 years or something? Did I dream that? I for sure remember others on here that keep track of that say donations have gone up. If that's not the case then yes it is an issue.

He certainly inspired me to renew my season tickets and to actually start donating on top of that. Winning 10 games in his first season and being within a possession or two of Clemson in the ACC Title game showed me a lot. Toss in Buzz turning around the basketball program and I felt like I had to start helping give them the tools ($$) to compete with other good programs.

Not saying it reflects poorly on Fuente.. just answering your question on why Cantor left.

for sure, appreciate your reply. leg for that.

My reply was not directed at you specifically. should have been clear on that.

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I know you stated otherwise, but I'm going to view this as a direct attack to French's knowledge, authority, and honor.

I now request a cagematch between French and Fernley.

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Honestly, I completely forgot about the Scott thing until you just brought it up. Scandals are so frequent these days that only the egregious gain traction.

And those are even forgotten far more quickly than they should be *cough*PedoState*cough*

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Wow... If these are the reasons people are upset then honestly VT has an even bigger issue with donors.

There's been a lot of 'losses' in the last 6 months (starting with on field performance in conference play, going into offseason hires, and continuing into recruiting), and it's causing a perception issue.

Contrary to the popular idiom, perception is not reality. In 3-5 years, we may look back at this as a rough patch or a learning period for Fuente. It's also possible that in 3-5 years we view this as the first warning sign. We just don't know yet. Regardless, the staff and fanbase need some wins (on and off the field) in the second half of 2018.

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again... context to "a lot of loses"....

on field performance in conference play: We were in a nose dive. Fuente pulled us out of that not AFTER 2 years, rather in year 1, so..... no.

Offseason Hires: other than the 10th coach, who are we speaking about? And in regards to the 10th coach, see my comments above. Show me real context that Fuente is refusing to address this and it's a major concern for Whit. Fan speculation about this being a poor hire is exactly that. Speculation.

Recruiting: I mean.. seriously? Ford, no matter how good he is, does not make or break this class or Fuente. How about what seems to be the long awaited upward trend on OL? The first LB stud in a LONG time? Getting a QB from Chicago that every coach, trainer and professional that comes in contact with him raves about? WR's with good height and size? The biggest concern we have is DL, not RB. And if everyone would step back from the cliff and get perspective on Ford's situation with friends there, Barkley launching into NFL, that it is not farther away, and so on they can see why a young adult would make that decision. And to be perfectly honest with ourselves Fuente hasn't shown RB is a key feature in his offense and until he does it will be difficult for him to land a stud there, unless they can sell a kid that wants to play right away and loves VT.

you said it, perception is not reality. So 'losses' are not actually losses. And until someone with inside dirt starts ponying up with contextual info on the concerns French listed above they also are not the reality.

Here's an idiom that does work in this situation. A bird in the hand. We have a good coach, upward trending on almost everything (including all the "concerns") and we kept Foster. Bird in the hand.

I totally agree, and to be clear, I have complete and total faith/support in Fuente. I do think this season (at least the first half) could be rough, but I think we should be back to 10 wins and an ACC Coastal title in 2019. Overtime, Fuente will learn to deal with the fan base and help curb perception.

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But if these are the reasons people are upset and Fuente is on a hot seat, then I call Bullshit.

Being upset plus pissing & moaning is one thing. Calling for Fuente to be on the hotseat is something else completely. I don't get the vibe it's warming up for him yet. Honestly, how many "fans" out there are calling for it? I doubt it's that much.

If you are hearing any of this from fellow fans, call them on it. Ask for context. Ask for proof. Ask for anything that makes it more than mob mentality perception. Call bullshit for what it is.

I agree with this in the context of folks calling for Fuente's head. Where I don't agree is overdoing it with the fans because it will accomplish the exact opposite of what Hokie Nation as a whole want's to achieve. Insulting & policing fans' emotions will not help in terms of revenue. People feel how they feel (rational or not).

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Where I don't agree is overdoing it with the fans because it will accomplish the exact opposite of what Hokie Nation as a whole want's to achieve. Insulting & policing fans' emotions will not help in terms of revenue. People feel how they feel (rational or not).

No. Then idiots like Bender take over the narrative and everyone remembers how well that went. Bullshit is bullshit. Call it out and make people confront it.

I feel like there's a difference between pissing & moaning about a situation & calling to clean house. Personally I wouldn't call a potentially high dollar donor an idiot. Some folks enjoy being insulted & get a jolly off it. In my experience and observation most people don't. A kind word (typically) diffuses rage, but an insult just fires them up (in the wrong way). Again, my observation and personal experience.

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sure dude. that's exactly what I said.

I think "hotseat" doesn't mean this year. I think with some important $$$ folks, the honeymoon is over and it is show-me time. If we are still having this conversation about dominating the state, having a statement program defining win, etc. at the end of the 2019 season, someone will turn the heat up.

Personally, I am more patient. I like the direction in some ways. But the access issue isn't something a program looking to return supporters to the flock can afford to do. With them comes money. With money comes the resources to compete better off the field.

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I think with some important $$$ folks, the honeymoon is over and it is show-me time. If we are still having this conversation about dominating the state, having a statement program defining win, etc. at the end of the 2019 season, someone will turn the heat up

Yeah I don't disagree that donors should have expectations. They should, but those expectations should be mitigated with reality. It's not a bad thing to want to have a championship team or to get the top RB recruit in the state of VA. But donors, any donors, need to be given a strategy for the money they give. The higher up you are in $$$ the more that strategy should get clear. But I think the role of Fuente is getting confused.

Whit hires the coach he believes can best form and execute a plan with the pros and cons of VT. Fuente is responsible to glad hand and explain that plain in the detail relevant to the amount of $$$ given. To build excitement. To make people believe that we can crest the mountain in front of us and get to the promise land, and then to execute that plan. . After everyone believes in the dream and gives money, Whit's role is to politely but constantly remind them that the journey up is over loose rocks where we are going to slip a little sometimes, through snow where we're going to stall and trudge along at a slower than expected pace sometimes, and so on and so on.

Fuente to me is doing his job. If what you are saying is donor expectations are not being met (or beginning to feel that way) and these are the expectations, then Whit needs to step up his efforts and mitigate expectations, IF he believes in Fuente.

All these ills get cured by winning, and winning will only happen in Fuente can develop one of his quarterbacks into a program-elevating star that brings VT back as a top tier program in the ACC. Ultimately, that is how he will be judged.

This is the truth. Look at what Vic did for VT. Even Tyrod. Baylor was nothing til they got RG3. So did Fuente make Lynch, or vice-versa? If he can do it again, we can win the ACC, make the playoffs, and generate the type of excitement that makes it possible to take giving and recruiting to a whole nother level. If he can do it two or three times in a decade we can become the elite school the people who grew up watching small time Big East and ACC football think we should be. If not we will hit the same ceiling that almost very perennial 9-4 team hits, with a few ups and downs. JJ did not look like the guy, last year or in the spring game, but his stats looked good for freshman.

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It's about how close he is. It took 2 bad years for us to all for Beamer to step down. 2 break even seasons or 1 losing season and Fuente's seat gets uncomfortably hot

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It isn't a fair apples to apples comparison. When Beamer was struggling initially at VT, he was a local guy with community ties. The program had just been crushed by Dooley's sanctions, so there was very little expectation of success. Hell, as a kid I loved to watch college football. I didn't have cable though, and as result, I didn't see a single Virginia Tech game on television until I saw VT beat Shawn Moore and UVA in the last game of the 1990 season. They were the second tier little brother of Tennessee in my area, and frankly I knew more people who claimed to be Miami, West Virginia, and even Auburn fans in Abingdon in 1989 than I knew folks claiming to be VT fans.

When Beamer got VT to the Independence Bowl, it was a huge freaking deal. The Sugar Bowl win. Michael Vick and 1999. Beamer built up a huge amount of credit with the fan base. 2003 damn near derailed it, and 2004 rebuilt it.

Fuente had the new car shine, but he didn't have all that capital with the fan base. The expectations of the fan base are also completely different. He didn't have to win immediately, but doing well in 2016 built everyone up. The expectations for improved recruiting in-state, something that was preached as doctrine when he was hired, probably didn't help. I think he has improved the talent in some ways (safety, DE, TE, OL), but I don't see those clear cut difference maker at the key positions (corner, defensive tackle, running back, and maybe QB) that can elevate a program. To me, he is an incomplete with "I like some things." For more and more others, there are some areas where there needs to be some big upgrades in performance.

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Thanks for the insight. Can you explain what you mean by "To me, he is an incomplete with 'I like some things.'"

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I apologize for the delay.

I like his X's and O's. I think he sees the field offensively in a unique way and he understands how to put players in space where they have their best chance to make a play.

He must resonate with his players. They play hard, even when outgunned. Syracuse and GT are probably the two worst moments of his regime, and both have some mitigating issues. Georgia Tech plays a ton of zone, and until the QB position is better in pass pro, Fuente's offenses will struggle against zone teams. Plus, that offense can just take the will from you. Syracuse was a perfect storm of a single match up issue being exploited because there wasn't any personnel package that could account for it.

He managed what could have been a very difficult transition, got Bud Foster to buy in, and improved recruiting out of state. He identifies players that fit the system and culture he wants in Blacksburg, and based on the spring game, we are seeing some benefits (I like the look of the offensive line depth, as an example.)

Those are the positives.

The negatives:

1) Fan base engagement. Fuente's decision to close off access is fine if there is so much enthusiasm around the program that folks will invest emotionally anyway. Right now, that statement doesn't apply to VT football. He has to court/woo that additional 50,000-100,000 potential customers, donors, and ticket buyers that currently sway back and forth between being invested and investing somewhere else. There has to be better engagement in order to drive revenue and enthusiasm, because those two are intertwined. Or, he has to win an ACC title ASAP. Selling a dream is easier than executing it when you face a talent and resource gap.

2) I don't like the resource allocation of scholarships. It feels like the offense has been reloaded, but it also feels like more scholarships have gone to offense to pad some already deep positions instead of going to defense. Also, I don't know that I can knock Fuente too hard (I talk a bunch about DT depth, but there are 7 DT scholarship players. It isn't Fuente's fault that Fullwood, Hewitt, Glaze, and Porcher didn't make the kind of progress that was needed to step in for the loss of a Tim Settle. But, the decisions to put recruiting resources into more skill guys instead of casting a really wide net to get a difference maker to go with Cam Goode (or to shoot for the moon for an elite corner) is a bit vexing.

3) In-state recruiting. I don't know what is going on behind the scenes, but something isn't resonating with in state targets. I don't want Fuente to pander to the kids- VT will never be a program that can woo with the best of them, so why play that game and instead target the folks who want to come to a blue collar program- but for whatever reasons a bunch of Virginia HS coaches and targets just don't see VT as a premier destination.

Of the things I don't like, two of the three are things that may change long term. I don't want a handful of misses to negatively color what I also believe- that I like Fuente's recruiting classes more than I have liked most classes since 2010. However, the engagement issue (and more importantly, any damper in resources because of it) doesn't appear to be a quick fix. Fuente just isn't that showy, salesman type of coach. And while I personally like and admire his approach, his approach also isn't yielding the results off the field that he himself said would be priorities for his staff (dominate the state etc.)

I am hopeful, and unlike others, I want a team that is hard, smart, and tough to play against and that will make me happy. But, that isn't enough for the vast majority of fans, and I am starting to hear a lot of trepidation.

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Completely agree with this: "He's probably the hottest commodity in College Coaching." I couldn't name one coach that VT could reasonably get as a replacement that could do better. In fact, what if he left for another school ... who could do a better job? Really who? This isn't a "coaching" problem, it's an institutional/brand problem. I don't care who bring in, if you don't address that, this issue is never going away.

Seems like a bold statement that the stats do not back up.

I think our next JJ comparison thread should be about he put up better numbers as a freshman than Tom Brady's freshman year at Michigan.

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if you follow frenchies breakdowns (BE A TPK member plug here) you would have seen how lynch was much more effective as a runner because his mesh points were much better and he was much more decisive with the football and had enough burst to get to the line when the hole was there where as Jackson takes to long to get to the line and the hole has closed up by the time he hits it.

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It is quite possible that JJ can certainly improve upon this with coaching and better repetition. He could certainly never take that step, but I think it's less likely that he fails rather then improves. More practice and reps will help him get better.

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More practice and reps will help him get better.

Nope nope nope. He is doomed to be no better than his redshirt freshman year and we should kick him to the curb in favor of some QB that excelled against HS competition. /s

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? this threat is a comparison of each players freshman year I thought? I never said Jackson cant improve. or that he was doomed or that he shouldn't be the starter.

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I hope so. However, after watching the spring game closely (join TKPC to see my review of JJ) and going back to some of the early game where JJ put up big numbers, I think JJ's game management skills are much more "freshman" than alluded to by some, and his accuracy is a major concern. Efficiency- that is the key to this offense. JJ isn't efficient enough at the present to put the team over the top. I still think he starts though. But, if the light goes on for Hooker, or Willis can show the ability to run and protect the ball in practice more consistently, or a year down the road Patterson ends up being what we all hope he can be, then JJ's days as the starter will be numbered. I don't have a bunch of confidence that his upside is much higher than what we have already seen.

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I understand that the running game may have been more effective because of these things. But that does not make Lynch a better runner. Also, who is to say that Lynch did that as a Freshman, the numbers certainly do not back that up? JJ had better numbers in his first year than Lynch's career avg's.

Give him another year to clean up mesh points and become more decisive when running and I think all the naysayers will be surprised with JJ's athleticism.

I think the most concise way to say it - Fuente doesn't his QB to be a star runner, but he needs the threat to exist on every play. If defenses don't respect the threat of JJ running, he might as well be immobile.

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As soon as I saw the title of this thread, I pictured a street fighter themed environment with JJ and PL standing opposite, cheesy animated panting and wind blowing with people cheering in the background.

...I'm picturing Guile's level. Fighting on the flight line.

...man, Guile was so fucking out of regs.

Would be interesting to see how Lynch would have performed at Tight End though!

I think all good points, We really need to see if JJ can improve and should improve. He needs to get more accurate on the long and mid-range throws. As far as running goes, we know he is not a running QB but can he do enough just to keep the defense honest

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It is strange that CJF would choose a QB that the whole country knows is "not a running threat" to lead the offense he uses which requires the threat of the QB running in order to work properly.

I really thought we might see some special packages for Bush (lol) last year, maybe against Clemson, and definitely later in the year when the O stagnated in big games (Miami, OkSt).

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You should tell that to West Virginia

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Agree. He looked very mobile in that game and others. But, I also remember French's observation that later in the season defenses were not honoring the QB run threat at all which allowed them to key on the RB's and make us one dimensional. So why were there not more QB keepers in those scenarios? Coaches did not trust JJ? Did not want to risk injury to JJ? Was JJ already injured? If any of these were the case and you know it going into the game (this was a problem over multiple games) why not scheme for it?

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Jackson ran so well vs WVU because Fuente used motion to get their single high safety to run out of position and WVU's DL (the worst VT played all year, including Delaware) was getting pushed into their LBs laps. Joe Namath in 1972 might have run for 50 yards that night.

I think Josh is a serviceable player, and healthy he is just good enough as a runner that he can make a defense pay for ignoring him. He wasn't healthy. A guy who the defense has to account for will make the running game better.

Josh could make up for that by being more efficient in the RPO game. That is a bigger worry for me. Once teams took away the RPO frontside and backside slants off IZR, his "clock" and accuracy just were not consistently good enough. I wanted to see growth, especially in accuracy and decision-making, in the spring game. I didn't see anything that eased my concerns.

I hated that he had so many big moments vs WVU because it created unfair expectations the rest of the year. He was a first time starting freshman, so I preached patience. Now we need to see growth. And that may be unfair for a now sophomore. Remember, Tyrod didn't even become serviceable in pass pro until late in his junior year. His feet covered a ton of that up. Jackson just doesn't have that one thing that he does so well that it bandages those other ills.

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Are you surprised we didn't try something with Bush to open things up in certain scenarios as a curve ball to opponents when things were getting away from us (Miami, OkSt)?

I don't mean to second guess our coaches. I think Fuente has been pretty close to a dream come true.

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I am. Fuente didn't trust him to be safe with the ball. I have heard other scuttlebutt, but I wasn't there and have no corroboration so I will assume it is rumor.

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After breaking this down on a deeper level I came to the following very relevant conclusion:

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I'd take JJ's first season rushing stats with a grain of salt. I think he was only completely healthy for the WVU game and the OK State game, and he happened to be very effective in both of those games on the ground.

With that being said, if JJ can't withstand the hits he has to take in order to make our offense go, we need to find a quarterback who will. Even if Jerod Evans wasn't hitting his passes, we could always count on him getting those yards on the ground. JJ's arm strength isn't great, and the receiving corps is still young. There are going to be games where we're going to have to win on the ground.

(This is all assuming JJ will be the starter and not Willis.)

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In terms of running the QB I think Fuente uses a strategy that is pretty similar to Clemson in that the QB run game is going to be a much larger part of the offense in big games.

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I don't think JJ is very good. I'd post statistics or whatever but we've been debating this for like 6 months now and all the statistics have been copied/pasted a million times...

Just callin' it how I see it... hope Ryan Willis gets the nod this fall.

You do know that he played with injuries to his his throwing arm/shoulder and foot, right? He probably would not have been playing if we had a backup QB that could actually throw the ball.

I'm very, very aware of that.

Look, I'm not some VT troll. I rocked a VT golf polo at work today. I drank coffee out of my VT coffee thermos. I've got my class ring on right now. I donated to Hokie Club last week when I got paid. I absolutely love Virginia Tech.

That being said, I'm not going to just act like our starting QB wasn't very mediocre in conference play last year...I'm allowed to want more and I think Ryan Willis can give us more. If neither are a dynamic athlete then give me the guy with the better arm. That's certainly Willis. And this offense is not rocket science so I'm not putting a lot of weight on a season of experience. If it was rocket science, Paxton Lynch and Jerod Evans wouldn't have looked like absolute animals in it because they are clearly both not NFL QBs.

Those statistics tell you literally nothing about the caliber of his arm...statistics are largely a product of the offensive system and the talent around you. Ryan Willis has an objectively better arm than Josh and that's been "leaked" from camp since the day he got to Blacksburg.

So your answer is yes, you're basing that on nothing but whispers and the one practice that was open. Got it.

Personally I'd take the 60.3% completion and 7.73 YPA over the 54.6% and 5.85 YPA but I'm just some guy.

So your answer is yes

My answer is yes to what? I must've missed where you asked a question.

Are you upset that I have an opinion that differs from yours? Did you really sit there and watch Josh in ACC play and say "yes, this is a guy I want to build around...this guy will carry our program moving forward... I see enough potential here to develop..." And every single player in the country is injured by mid-season. It's football. It's a full-contact sport. Everyone is banged up. If he was hurt to the point he couldn't have played, he wouldn't have.

139 completions
240 attempts
57.92% completion
1616 yards
8 TDs
7 INTs

I refuse to sit here and pump sunshine and repost gifs and memes to kill time in the offseason. As an alum, a fan, and a donor, I'm allowed to be reasonably critical of our program.

The question was inferred as to where you think you got that Willis has a better arm or if it was just the one practice and rumors.

Side note, those stats you just posted are still better than anything Willis has put up against all competition.

I think he has a big arm therefore he has a big arm.

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