OT: SMOKING AND GETTING TICKETED

Hey all, this one is way out there but I wanted an array of opinions.

I have a buddy who got pulled over and ticketed by a cop (for littering) because he threw his lit cigarette butt out of his car while driving. He was furious and thought the cop was being a...we'll say jerk. I don't smoke and at first thought the cop was being pretty ridiculous too, but the more I thought about it (with a wildfire going on a couple counties away) the more I started to think my friend might actually be the...jerk.

What do you all think? I'm really curious what other smokers think. Help me settle this with my friend. Thanks!

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I thought when I opened this it was gonna be another smoking meat topic. I was wrong. But personally I always get annoyed when I see a ciggarette butt flicked from a car. And it's against the law to litter so there is that.

If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous! With treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid...

You're right, but then again so is weed or speeding and it seems like the majority is at least "okay" with it.

I guess my point is, good cop or jerk cop, how can someone be mad for getting in trouble for something they know they aren't supposed to do? Same with speeding. Everyone is guilty, but who's fault is it if you get caught?

If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous! With treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid...

...what about weed now??

Weed effects you and just you. Littering effects more than just yourself.

As a former smoker I can tell that if you don't flick down that thing can end up in someone else's car (had that happen) which could cause in accident (luckily did not happen). I probably would have been pissed off if I was ticketed but there are a few bad things that could happen the littering part not withstanding.

Littering is littering. You get caught doing it, what do you expect?

Now, commercial cigarettes have added yet another chemical that greatly reduces the odds of it causing a fire, but doesn't stop it. And in some states it's a major problem due to dry flammable material everywhere.

Other than that, some animals eat the butts, and get addicted and sick as well.

To me, leaving your trash for others to pick up or just thrown out is no different than dropping your pants and laying a duce in a public space. Don't be an asshole...

Just my take.

I've written the ticket, a lot, and i don't think I'm a jerk... But I can attest that thrown butts cause brush fires. Plus if you walk any secondary or primary road, you'll see the side of the road is covered with them.

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And that's what happens when you "speak that dam truth"

Keep writing those tickets D K! The amount of litter on the sides of roads is ridiculous and I never understood how smokers (I used to be one) think that their butts don't count.

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Cop was doing his job. No fault on him.

I can't understand how people smoke anymore (or ever did for that matter), but that's just me.

How is it acceptable to throw any of your trash out of the window of your car? At best someone else is going to have to pick it up but in drier parts of the country, it could definitely start wildfires. Those kill people. Your friend is definitely the jerk. If I was a cop, I would be writing those tickets all damn day. Keep your own damn trash in your car.

Ya he kinda really is. In more ways than one. But it's one of those kind where you knew them your whole life so you're stuck with em. Kinda like a stifler.

Only trash I have ever tossed out the window is an apple core or a banana peel and only if I can get it to the side of the road. Technically littering, but that core or peel will either decompose or be eaten by a wild animal shortly.

When I was in either Elementary or Middle School, the bus I was on during a field trip was pulled over because someone threw an apple core out the window, I think it hit a car behind us.

That kindof thing can be dangerous.

If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous! With treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid...

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A banana peel only decomposes when it is throw out in an area that bananas grow naturally. It all winds down to bacteria. If you are throwing a banana peel out of the window in Virginia, it isn't decomposing like you think it is.

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I'm admittedly ignorant on decomposition, but wouldn't the building blocks like the sugars, other carbs, fats, and proteins be consumed by any microbes present? Like if I have a compost pile, you're saying a banana won't decompose because I don't have bacteria/fungi native to central america.

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I know they turn black if I leave them on my counter for a week.

Granted, I probably have an orange in the house.

They must grow naturally in your kitchen.

I'm not saying it won't decompose, it just won't decompose at the same rate or how it is naturally supposed to.

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It might not decompose, but they are also normally eaten by the skunks, possums, coons and other critters in VA. I have seen them raiding the compost bin for them.

Cigarette butts are the most prevalent form of litter in the world. They end up in waterways and are consumed by fish and wildlife. Good for the cop.

I've read that k-cops for coffee are now the biggest trash problem in the world because they are not biodegradable and cig butts are. I don't smoke either but I also don't believe we have the right to tell adults what they can do.

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Not sure if I follow you, or how you got to this point from the prior comment, but it sounds like you're suggesting all laws are bad.

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I would be just as annoyed if one of those cups were thrown out of s car window.

If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous! With treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid...

It may have changed in the last few decades, but when my wife was in clothing and textiles at VT, back when it was in the the science department, they studied the textiles of cigarette butts. Camel still used cotton, but most brands had gone to synthetic fibers, mostly fiberglass, which were not biodegradable. While I agree K-cups are wasteful, I believe they are still much less of an issue than plastic bags and bottles.

I believe you meant to say we should not have the right, not that we do not have, which is too political of a discussion for me to want to have on here.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

In fairness, the inventor of the k-cup now regrets the idea because of exactly this

A post earlier said he thought this was going to be about smoking meat, but I would have sworn you were going to talk about walking around smoking weed and getting ticketed

Sorry to disappoint ;)

I really appreciate everyone's feedback and don't really disagree, but am honestly kind of surprised nobody feels a ticket is overkill.

If tickets were never issued, why would anyone stop doing it?

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It's not overkill because it's following the penalties that the law prescribes. If your buddy got thrown in a squad car and booked, sure, that could be overkill for a littering charge.

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You know, for the greater good.

1. Like has been said, he littered. In front of a cop. He should just be glad he didn't do it in California, where the fine is $1,000 per offense.

2. It probably doesn't help that as a smoker, he's going to get very limited sympathy. There's so much information so readily available about how bad it is, not only for the person smoking but those around them, that littering is likely seen as fairly low on his list of poor decisions.

3. Every time I see a cigarette butt thrown out of a car at night I freak out a bit because "HOLY CRAP SOMETHING JUST EXPLODED ON THE ROA-oh, it's a cigarette. Dick."

Your friend should get an ashtray for his car and dispose of the butts responsibly. No ticket, no wildfire, no litter. Problem solved.

He's lucky he wasn't in California, they have some really serious penalties, as it's very easy to cause a wildfire (and seriously cause a tremendous amount of property damage/risk to life, etc).

#thingsiblamethemvsfor

I hate seeing piles of cigarette butts in parking lots from where people have used their ashtrays only to litter them together into one disgusting bundle. On a similar note, people who dump their drinks from their car doors in parking lots really chaps my ass too. Those disgusting puddles are right where others unsuspectingly place their feet when exiting their cars. Knock it off. Get off my lawn.

In Baltimore I got behind a driver at a stop light who opened his door and poured out what was left of a Natty Ice tallboy. I realized in that moment I probably shouldn't leave the "avoid tolls" navigation restriction on when driving through Baltimore.

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Your first example...

Your second example...

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

Your buddy is throwing fiberglass out his window. It NEVER goes away.

He did something illegal, he got caught, he should get over it. It's ridiculous that this is a topic on a website for Virginia Tech sports. I get that it's OT but this seems like a stretch

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I'm sorry, I'll try to keep the off topic queries for the only online community I regularly frequent (and financially contribute to) more on topic.

But also, thanks for your response.

I'm sorry I guess I was a little harsh

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It's the off-season.

The people who come here have to discuss something.

You're probably being a bit harsh.

From what I've seen in the "OT" in this site, from talking about every HBO show, to the latest Marvel movie, to what people do when they're fishing, to "name every other subject not related to politics or religion", I think he was well within the guidelines whether you agree with it or not.

I agree with the rest, he did something he wasn't supposed to do, he should deal with the consequences.

Your friend was a jerk, the cop was doing the right thing, and there is no other way to see it. This is a coin with one side.

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All cops must fn hang

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Not cool. What if the same were said about marines.

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who is this clown?

And he gone. He went negative turkey legs.

Not quite. Gotta hit -25 for a community-driven ban (not to encourage anyone from piling on, but just FYI).

So 16 more downvotes m? Got it.

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And like that. He made it 6 months and 1 day.

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I have a really really strong dislike of Joe West, but this is one of my favorite GIFs.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Re Joe West: meeeeee tooooooo.

(But that ain't Joe West. It's Tim Tschida.)

(& there's really important stuff I don't remember because that useless fact is taking up disk space in my brain. Oh, well. Ha)

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Aw, dang. And I had no issues with Tim Tschida that I can recall.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Like as a user profile or in a single comment?

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phew, I have some breathing room.....

I know, right?

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I would be interested to find out how long it would take to get you down to -25. Social Experiment!

If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous! With treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid...

Social experiment? Not only could I reclaim my top spot rather easily, but I could have a little bit of fun at Alum's expense 👿

I can see Alum's brow furrow deeper and deeper every time you comment.

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Devastating, really

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Where's the blue and orange plaid for this comment?

Cop did the right thing. Friend is being a twat.

As a smoker who smokes in the car, there is one thing I always do with a cigarette I am done with, and that is to hold it outside the car window and flick the cigarette back and forth until the lit tobacco falls out. Between the wind and the impact with the ground, the remaining embers are scattered and go out almost immediately, eliminating nearly the entire threat of fire being started and after a few minutes, the unburnt tobacco and/or ashes is pretty environmentally harmless. The butt/filter is no longer on fire. They toss the butt onto whatever console/drink holder you have until you get to your destination. I have an empty cigarette pack in the car for just this reason.

Fires are started by cigarettes because they are designed to stay lit and continue to burn down, and if the cigarette is in one place while it is burning down, then the amount of heat applied to a single location is much higher than if it is only the lit ember that is dropped. Only in the hottest and driest droughts would a single ember start a fire, whereas a cigarette left to its own devices can start a fire in a wide variety of ways.

Second is the litter, of course, generated by the plastic filter, which is truly just littering. I think there are some companies investing in biodegradable filters/butts but I don't know where that technology stands in terms of adoption.

So many questions.
1. Does smoking affect your performance on treadmills?
2. Do you drive a compact or midsize?
3. I don't want to sound intolerant, but do they give drivers licenses to other species?
Thank you for not littering.

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1) Yes
2) Midsize
3) Dunno, never bothered with it.
You're welcome

Cigarettes (in America) are actually designed to go out if you stop smoking them after too many people would fall asleep and burn their house down

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Really because I've fought plenty of fires caused by them, they must not work very well.

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Read my post. A few years back they added more chemicals to the paper. It still happens, but the likelihood is drastically decreased.

Here in California they recently claimed one was started by a cigarette, until one of the few remaining investigative journalists discovered it was due to the utility company not following regulations and trying to blame it on others.

Ignition Propensity is a physical test that all cigarettes sold in the US have to pass. They literally light a cigarette, lay it on a circular piece of paper in a room with controlled temperature and humidity, and measure how long it takes to self-extinguish. If it burns too long, it fails. I want to say that it was instituted in the mid-2000s since I was working in an Analytical testing lab at the time that exclusively tested cigarettes and other tobacco products.

Unfotunately, peoples bedrooms are not controlled environments. Other flammables/fuel may be present like newspapers, magazines, alcohol, oils and greases from food, etc. that increase the chance of starting a fire. A ceiling fan or regular fan blowing on an ember will keep the ember alive longer, as well.

The test isn't perfect, but cigarettes are designed now to minimize the risk. If they completely eliminated the risk, cigarettes wouldn't work. So you will still get fires, just not as many. Think about it, how many times does the fire department get called when a fire doesn't start. You only see the ones that do and statistcally, those numbers have gone dramatically since they started trying to minimize the risk.

Also, people would be surprised how many counterfeit cigarettes are out there. Those obviously don't get tested or regulated, so they may be more likely to cause a fire.

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Not saying its fool proof, just saying there is a conscious effort made to avoid them staying lit. Right on the side of the pack it should say FSC (Fire Safe Cigarettes)

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I can only offer anecdotal evidence of the opposite. I've been in a bar and put my cigarette down in a glass ashtray, only to forget about it, and come back to a long trail of ash. I don't think I've ever seen a lit cigarette stop burning partway through if it was left on its own.

As a side note, I can't remember the last time I smoked a cigarette indoors. It must have been years ago. Cigarette smell doesn't go away and there are too many other people and animals in houses to tolerate it indoors unless the place is specifically designed to handle it (bars with smoke eaters, cars with open windows, etc).

Know what's really annoying? Ashtrays used to be standard in cars. I think my 97 Ford Contour (may she rest in peace) was the last car I bought that came with an ashtray. I don't know why car companies stopped installing them, but I'd be willing to bet the removal of ashtrays has a lot to do with the increase in cigarette butts being littered from cars.

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It comes as part of the Distinguished But Disgusting options package.

Also includes an automatic nose picker and a spittoon!

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Last week on my way to Nashville, I saw a fire a couple feet off Rt 81 down by Knoxville.

No other roads nearby, guess how that started.
I saw the first of the fire trucks getting close.

So the consequence of some jerk too lazy to retain the butt and take it out later, a fire company has to take their time to respond, the cops will close down 1 lane of a 2 lane freeway, people's lives and property will be at risk and large numbers of people will be at a traffic jam on an other wise fine driving day. Do not forget the significant cost involved in all this.

It was not the cop being a jerk, it was your buddy.

Same thing happened to me this week. Got stuck in an hour of traffic as fire crews responded to someone's thoughtless action. Meanwhile I missed most of kids practice.

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"I mean how silly is that. And we're talking about practice. I know I'm supposed to be there. I know I'm supposed to lead by example. I know that and I'm not shoving it aside, you know, like it don't mean anything. I know it's important. I do, I honestly do. But we're talking about practice, man. What are we talking about? Practice? We're talking about practice, man?

We're talking about practice. We're talking about practice. We ain't talking about the game. We're talking about practice, man."

Having a conversation with you is like a Martian talking to a Fungo.

#JustinTime

Leg for the effort of typing that up (or at least finding it an copy/paste.)

Thanks everyone. This seems pretty one-sided and as I had said was the direction I was starting to lean the more I thought about it. I'll be sure to let my friend know he's an idiot (more than I usually do).

What if you threw smoked meat out your car window? Like a nice smoked brisket....

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Then you should be arrested for wasting a beautiful thing

need more cops like that. don't abuse the commons. don't endanger others.

Now if they'd just start ticketing all those jerks too busy with their phones to maintain any sort of consistent speed. Goes double if said jerk is in the left lane.

Can we add the ones that make you catch the light a second time b.c they weren't paying attention?

Hokie fan | W&M grad

Amen. Nothing grinds my gears on the road more than not being able to use cruise control set at 10 over the limit...

Crybaby millennials, what a useless generation make a contribution to society before you start bellyaching over every little thing.

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Somebody woke up still drunk.

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Edit:Redacted

Edited again: Please downvote this clown into the opposite of plaid

-100 should get orange and blue plaid with invisible font

Would you really want to see that as you're scrolling down through the thread? That'd make me want to gag.

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

I think -100 should get a Sam Rogers standing over Miami player overlay somehow.

Warning: this post occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors)..

Meme's being what they are, Sam Rogers...would be better.

Wut

Most musicians, actors and actresses, most public safety workers and military members are all millennials at this point. Several of this generation are elected rulers of nations. I mean maybe use a computer to look these things up.

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if you lack the self control to keep stupid opinions like this to yourself, at least keep your username free of an institution that prides itself on honor and integrity. Most currently active Marines are millennials, by a large margin. Like every generation of Marines before them, they serve in a way that makes their country proud of them. Not only that, many of them continue to serve their communities as police officers when they leave active service. If you're going to broadcast your service as a Marine, please use your brain before you embarrass the rest of us next time.

Thoughts about millennials aside, the association I was more concerned about there was "Hokie".

In general, making generalizations is a risky endeavor. See what I did there?

If the poster is a marine as his username implies, perhaps he is a combat veteran with PTSD. Maybe all of this rage and aggression is a cry for help. Not making excuses, just asking if anyone knows of resources that could potentially help the poster if this is the case.

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Nobody should be diagnosing anything on the internet. Not professionals, and not people who aren't.

Also, there is so much nonsense out there already about PTSD that we don't need to be adding to it.

Not to pick on anyone, and I'm sure you're trying to helpful, but this is a pet peeve. A couple of ill-considered posts by someone associated with the military don't warrant a PTSD diagnosis.

More likely just a knee-jerk reaction where the poster didn't know how his comments would come across.

"Nobody should be diagnosing anything on the internet. Not professionals, and not people who aren't."

I agree with this 100%. I wasn't trying to diagnose anything. Just somewhat explaining why I was trying a different approach. Instead of "Get out of here with that nonsense. What are you, crazy?" I thought it might be worth a shot to instead try "Are you okay? Do you need help?"

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
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"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

Yeah, just ask it like that, without the assumptions, and I'm behind you 100%.

Team VT.

His comments are way out of line, though, whatever the reason.

I was at a bar next to a couple of marines that just met. They were both going on and on about how they don't get along with anyone that's not a marine and they can't hold jobs and their wives divorced them, etc, etc. Later in the conversation, they loudly agreed that people with PTSD have weak minds. I just had to shake my head.

As a crybaby millennial, I take out my childish rage by destroying industries and introducing newfangled technologies, all whist occupying the lawns of my respected elders.

so here's the textbook math question of the day, if dude had 4 comments in this thread of -44, -24, -106, -81; how did he end up with just -126... There are 129 positive legs still out there gents

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

He started with over +79 when I made my "bye Bitch" gif.

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He had more comments than just those four: clicky

It just appears he has a stick up his ass for cops, and got triggered with this thread.

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

Your friend is the jerk.

He was littering, and has done it so much as to actually get a ticket from a cop who saw him do it.

I'm madder when I see a cop overlooking something like this because "it's too small a violation". I see cigarette butts on the ground all of the time. If you're going to smoke (or drink beer, or drink cokes, or eat fast food, or go outside your house, etc), clean up your own garbage.

You can be on my lawn, just don't litter on it, and this includes your dog.

Most responses say it's fine because it's against the law... okay but not all laws are just or make sense. Just being law doesn't make it correct, the nature of the law has to be sound.

In this case it is. Cigarettes are not biodegradable, they can linger in the environment 1-10 years before breaking down. Also throwing a burning object into flammable material is not a good idea.

The world is not your friend's trash can. I don't have a problem with the ticket at all.

How much was the ticket?

I'm going to go ahead and say "not enough", particularly given the fact that he thinks it's the cop who is wrong.

Interesting that you brought this up... I remember a VT professor, John Warner, actually discussing cigarette butts in our Comm Skills class in 2003 and how ridiculous it is that they are just discarded everywhere.

There isn't much that annoys me more than littering and garbage in general. I've had fights with friends who have tossed a piece of trash off of a boat because they didn't feel like putting it in a bucket. I've also almost called police on cars I've seen toss cig butts out the window, it pisses me off that much. (Didn't end up calling because I figured there would be no evidence to convict them.)

I'm a professional fishing guide and cigarette butts, trash and beer cans from careless float tubers and lazy jackasses in general who do not give two shits about cleaning up after themselves is garbage in my office. That's not including everything else that ends up in the waterways that is tossed on the ground and eventually ends up in the river. I pick up trash literally every single day whether it be on a run, fishing, working, taking a stroll in the park, whatever.

The globe as a whole has an epidemic with garbage and litter and I'm glad your friend got fined. I wish they would write more of those tickets.

Is there any reason to throw cig butts or any other trash out in the environment? Nobody has ever provided me a logical response. It's so damn lazy and disrespectful.

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Is there any reason to throw cig butts or any other trash out in the environment? Nobody has ever provided me a logical response.

I'll provide you a logical response. Here goes...

There are several reasons that I can think of at the moment to throw cigarette butts or any other trash out in the environment:

1. Because the thrower is too lazy to find a trash can.
2. Because the thrower does not know where the nearest trash can resides.
3. Because the thrower has a phobia about trash cans.
4. Because the thrower does not care about the environment.
5. Because the thrower hates hokieflyguy and desires to irritate him by depositing garbage in his office.
6. There is no number six.
7. Michael Vick. (Number seven should always be Michael Vick.)
8. Because the thrower is not amused by silly lists.
9. Because the thrower does not wish to continue the silly list.
10. That...that's about it.

You didn't specify good reasons. And it was logical to start with. ;^)

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

LOL for the vid links. Yes, I know those are reasons. I meant my comment for the assholes that throw the cigarette butts or garbage.

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Oh, I know what you meant. But I've promised myself to try really hard not to pass up an opportunity to be snarky, so....

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

You only really had about five reasons, I guess.

Edit (Disclaimers): This comment is not referring to the usage of the word "several". No words were minced or dissected in the creation of this joke. Was merely commenting on the fact that of the ten items listed, only 5 of them were actual reasons. No references to Strunk and White required. No mention of real or perceived harm to the English language was intended.

Five can be several.

Wife and I had this discussion with my daughter's third grade teacher recently. Daughter had said that the antonym of several was "few", and was marked wrong. Apparently, the antonym of several is "many" or "lots", and that several implies more than a few, but not a lot. I'd never heard that, but upon looking into it, she was right.

And now you know.

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

Oh, I'm not debating the meaning of "several".

I'm pointing out that you enumerated 10 reasons, and provided 5.

You know, while we were on the topic of "snark". I rather thought you'd appreciate it.

sever, severe, several. No needs to mince words, or hack the english language into pieces just because the usage was harsh. Irregardless, its literally not worth discussing if its not snark week on Discovery.

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I wouldn't call many and several antonyms; it's like saying apples and oranges are opposite. And it depends if by "few" she meant a dearth or more than two. (If I have several cars, I am not lacking. But if I have few cars, I may need more.)

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We live in a society of laws, you decide to break them then you pay the consequences. Good on the cop for doing his job!

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Your friend is the jerk.

And also smoking is bad. He should know this by now.

I think your friend is the jerk in this case. Littering is illegal and, in this case, bad and worthy of a citation/fine. I've been known to toss an apple core or other food scraps from my vehicle on occasion because I don't want to forget them in the truck until they rot and stink it up, and because I'm sure a squirrel or raccoon will be by shortly to eat it. If I got a ticket for that, I'd be pissed, but your friend just needs to realize that he made a bad decision and take his medicine.

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Hate to break it to you, but you are doing the same job of littering as the cig guy if you're throwing apple cores or food scraps out on a public highway, and for the reasons you yourself stated. Squirrels, raccoons, possums, dogs and cats are just a few of the critters your food scraps will attract. To a highway. Where cars whizz along and smush them into roadkill. I had to learn this myself, we're not born knowing everything, but other than a stick or leaf or something, it can wait until I get to a proper disposal location to toss.
Once, when hiking in New Mexico on public land, I ran into a forest ranger and we had a discussion about unintended littering being a problem in desert environs. He showed me an orange peel he'd been watching for three years near an old Indian site. It had dessicated to the point of mummification, but there it was, three damn years later, twisted and blackened, but still there.
Aside from the obvious physical littering being against the law, in VA, I'm pretty certain that it is also unlawful to throw burning material from a vehicle on public roads, so even if you strip the butt, if you do it out the window while the cig is still burning, again, you break the law.
If I were a cop, I'd definitely ticket you for the food scraps, and you being pissed wouldn't move me one bit.

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To clarify. This isn't something I'd recommend on a busy highway either, for the reasons you listed. I will chuck those as far into the woods as I can on a back road.

And I would disagree that throwing an apple core out the window is the same as flicking out a cigarette butt. Yes, they're covered by the same law, and both are technically illegal, but the cigarette butt does no good and creates a very real hazard. The apple core, if you can get it a safe distance from the road, does some good to the environment and poses little to no actual danger in the climate and environment of SW Virginia.

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So I too will clarify. Yes I agree that cig butts are maybe worse for the environment than the death of a critter attracted to food scraps, but like you said, still littering. I doubt the food scraps tossed from a vehicle do any measurable good at all to the environment, though, and could be potentially detrimental depending on what the scraps were and where they fell. I guess my point, though, is to just not toss stuff from a vehicle. Tossing it a safe distance from the road might work if the animal is already on that side of the road, but critters have good sniffers, and the ones on the other side of the road, etc., etc., etc.
Not picking on you here, but like flyguy, I have cleaned up so much of other people's thoughtless or careless litter that I have a near zero tolerance for the behavior, and for the same reasons he stated. My clients used to gripe about the litter on the New River on a routine basis, and I've been involved with removing literal tons of it from my old "office", so I'm a bit salty on the subject be it a tire, a baby diaper or a cig butt. I'll admit that one of the litters I gave a pass to was used condoms...at least the dimwits weren't breeding.

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So, going along with this opinion, let's assume an apple tree takes root about 10 ft or so from a highway (or a black walnut tree, or a blackberry vine).
There will be fruit produced that litters the ground around it and attracts critters from both sides of the road. Are we to cut down the tree? Remove it to another location? Accept it as natural and give it a Foster type pass?

Don't get me wrong, I think the cop was on point here. Dude messed up and got caught, all is as it should be. By letter of the law, I also believe someone tossing a banana peel to the side is subject to the same ticket, but would hope a cop would use that as a teaching opportunity instead of dropping the hammer (or being a..., nevermind, not trying to take this in that direction).

I just think we can go overboard as a society sometimes (most of the time, actually) and was wondering what your thoughts were on the difference between the two scenarios.

I get your point, don't get me wrong. What if the only reason the apple tree was there in the first place was because someone threw out an apple core?

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Apple tree inception?

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Not as bad as non-degradeable cigarette butts, but still polluting, and leads to bad habits.

I was at the beach yesterday, stepping over orange peels (and other garbage) that some other thoughtless people had left there instead of packing it out and disposing of it properly.

Just take a bag, put your litter in it, and dispose of it properly. If it's biodegradeable, compost it in your own yard or in a proper place, not in a public space. There are a lot of people on the planet, so litter builds up a lot faster than you'd think.

McDonald's bags are probably more biodegradable than their french fries, but I don't like to see them on the side of the road because some nitwit who has done the calculation to excuse their own littering.

You know, it's just my opinion, man, but we're all in this together.

He showed me an orange peel he'd been watching for three years near an old Indian site.

your taxpayer dollars at work...

Not trying to be political, I just have this mental image of a park ranger sitting there in a lawn chair for three years watching an orange peel.

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Keeping national parks open is probably one of the better uses of our tax dollars.

Paying a Park Ranger with a four year degree to pick up someone's litter, probably not.

Not to pick on McDonalds, again, but I've seen a french fry in a car that had been there for at least a year, and it looked just like the day it was purchased.

yes, but were you keeping it under constant surveillance for that year? :-P

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Yeah, I get it.

lol

Not trying to be political, I just have this mental image of a park ranger sitting there in a lawn chair for three years watching an orange peel.

LOL

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In his defense, the peel was away from the watchtower site and behind some bushes. He was genuinely curious about how long the peel would take to dissolve. Our discussion was fruitful for me and I learned something I wouldn't have otherwise. Either of us would have been happy to pick it up, but it did make for an interesting point. This happened 20 years ago or so, and I wonder if it is still there?

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Our discussion was fruitful for me

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Ooh de lally.

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You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Interesting thought on the food scraps. I for one have thrown who knows how many apple cores out of the window on the side of the road and did not consider it littering but I could certainly be in the wrong, and be a bit hypocritical, here. I've also tossed out sunflower seeds and egg shells. The way I've always looked at it, there are apple trees in Virginia, as well as sunflowers and birds around here with eggs, it's a natural product so it will decompose. I won't throw a banana peel out the window, because we don't have bananas here and they won't naturally degrade, much like the orange peel reference.

I've seen apple cores on hiking trails and along a river and it doesn't bother me, I guess again because I know it can decompose naturally whereas a cigarette butt won't. You definitely have me thinking though that even if it is a natural product it still is littering and the animals searching for food near the road could pay the price.

Potato chips DO NOT decompose well. Neither do fried chicken bones, and I've seen plenty of dogs eating those around construction sites. Both of those I would view as trash, so you may have convinced me to consider an apple core and other natural food as trash too.

Glad you chimed in Fish.

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And when they hit weird and bounce back towards the roadway or explode on impact, the motorcycle enthusiast behind you will get a tad perturbed.
Trust me on this.

This will probably get buried down in the thread and maybe never even looked at. I am all for that Cop writing tickets. Throwing butts out of a car window is selfishness because the user just doesn't want to deal with the trash themselves. Aside from that I used to drive a smaller, lower car than I do now and twice I had butts get caught above the lowest portion of my bumper and start melting the air dam or causing cigarette smoke to get poured into my AC vents. Not pleasant to have to stop and correct that....

Good. I wish everyone who tossed a cigarette butt would get pulled, ticketed, and fined to the fullest extent of a littering offense.

You want to smoke in your car? Put the butt in your ash tray, you deal with your trash, not us.
*general you*

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

100% agree, couldn't have said it better

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I am fine with it. I passed a brush fire on the side of 64 just last week that was likely caused by something similar. It creates a safety issue for health and property. Last week was warm, dry and breezy which is ideal conditions for a fire to get going quickly. I would say the people flicking their cigarette butts out the window are the jerks, not the cops for enforcing a common sense law in this case. Littering is pure laziness and complete lack of respect for other people and the environment.

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We were travelling in Missouri on I70 in late January and there were at least a half dozen grass fires on the side of the road. All were likely caused by cigarettes and extremely dry conditions.

As a state foresters son I can tell you your buddy has no idea how bad butts are for the wildlife and environment but the sheer amount of wildfires caused by lazy smokers would astound most folks.
Let's just say my mom gets pissed when on a Saturday or Sunday evening she has to go put out a wildfire started by a cig thrown from a vehicle. Hell hath no fury like a women on a D8 dozer

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Not to pile on, but.....to pile on:

I agree. With everyone. Except hokiemarine92. He's a dick.

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Good. I've nearly had them go in through my window.

Anyone smoking in their car is a jerk. Why do I have to roll up my windows and turn on recirculation just because you can't wait to satisfy your cancer stick addiction another 10 minutes? I like my air as clean as possible around me, thanks.

Wait do you have people smoking in your car? I only smoke in another person's car if they are a smoker and then only after asking if they smoke in their car and if they mind if I have one. If they are not a smoker, then I do not ask.
EDIT: I'm implying that I wouldn't ask and also not smoke, not that I wouldn't ask and just light the f@ck up

No, sorry, I mean that I hate it when on slower roads or at stoplights when a large billow of smoke exits their car and heads towards mine. I can't stand it.

I don't buy this. If I want to smoke in my own car, I'm doing it.

And unless you do it with your windows closed I'll call you a jerk for making me close my windows. I guess I'm not entitled to breathing fresh air.

Call me whatever you want but you sure as hell can't force your opinions on my behavior.

I can dig if you don't want me to smoke in your kingdom but you can't for a second tell me what to do in mine.

So you claim his car as your kingdom? I thought we as Americans were largely over the whole invasion thing.

I think the (stupid) obsession over the Royal family weddings/babies/etc in England refutes that....

Yeah, unfortunately it's all the same kingdom. And air, y'know... it likes to move around...

They'll figure it out next time they're behind one another at a stoplight.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Nah was that what it sounded like?

So you have air rights in everyone's kingdom? I did not bend the knee.

Not sure what you mean.

If I smoke in my house and the smoke 'billows' out to the sidewalk and you're walking by...?

Then I'd call you a jerk for making my evening walk less pleasurable. I don't care if you directly inhale cancer, just don't subject the rest of us to it - and that awful smell.

Nah son. I will do what I do where I have the right to do it. I am considerate of others but I will do mine.

If you ever walk by my house in this scenario, then you should come up and knock on my door. It's always open.

I bet you hate it if somebody farts around you.

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Even though I'm not a smoker, it never really bothered me when I saw smokers throw butts out there car windows. Two things changed my mind:
1. Did a few litter cleanup projects and the amount of butts there were along the road was insane. You really couldn't pick them all up because of how many there were. The worst was probably Roanoke St as part of the Big Event. I always tried to get as many I could, but you would be out there for an eternity if you tried to get them all.

2. A few years ago a house not too far from me burned down because of a fire started by someone flicking one into someones yard in the midst of a dry spell. It was the middle of day with everyone at work. The house was up in flames pretty quickly.

Your friend was the jerk.

Here in AZ we have the Tinder fire that is at about 17,000 acres now from an unattended illegal campfire. 33 homes and 54 other structures destroyed.

All because somebody thought it "wasn't a big deal". Obviously an extreme example, but people just don't understand improperly handling items that were previously ON FIRE out of their own disregard. Your friend was the jerk, simple answer. If for nothing else than littering. My 4 year old knows not to throw his trash on the ground/out the window

On a side note, when flicking a lit ember off a cigarette, make sure the stretch of road you are on HAS CURBS. Prevents lit stuff from going into grass/debris.

Right into the pile of trash that gathers there. /s.

Against the law to throw burning material out of your car window onto a public road. Please, I beg of you, don't do it, curb or not. You seem to be a considerate smoker, please consider everything that goes along with it, even the seemingly innocuous things.

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A buddy's son just got a ticket for $140 for litter...from tossing his cigarette butt out the truck window. He's laughing at him, not mad at the cop.

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If a cop fines you for throwing a cigarette but out of a car, they should get to keep 10% of the fine.

I am not sure another speeding ticket would ever be issued. Cops would focused on cigarettes, and man the city cops would make a ton of money.

Well, there would be some chance of moral hazard, but the streets would be cleaner.

I might be fine with this as long as if a cop is giving fake tickets it's a felony charge with a minimum mandatory 1 year jail time to be served in the general population that cannot be plea-bargained down. This would provide a deterrent to some cop looking to up his income. Public service corruption is one of the highest crimes.

Hiked halfway up Cascades yesterday and picked up 3 beer cans, 4 empty plastic water bottles, 3 cig butts and several other pieces of wrappers/trash.

Unbelievable.

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I was behind a lil Honda Fit with Clemson and UNC stickers today in traffic and watched the driver flick a cigarette butt out her window and then the state trooper that was next to me in traffic immediately flipped his lights on and pulled her over. Chuckled a bit to myself and rolled on past.

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Very applicable anecdote.

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You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.