2018-2019 Coaching Carousel has begun

And so it begins....

It'll be interesting to see who else gets the ax this year. Fedora seems to be circling the drain in Chapel Hill and there are plenty of rumors that Taggert might not get a Year 2.

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Louisville top target Jeff Brohm from Purdue....

I agree which sucks for my buddy at work, he has seen Purdue finally have a modicum of success on the field once again and its likely going to get ripped out from under them by a bigger checkbook.

Granted it's Purdue, but if I'm in his shoes I have a hard time taking over L-ville at this point in time. The win over Ohio st should have some positive implications and the program is trending up at Purdue. Why leave that to start all over with an athletics program that is mired in scandals?

Money.

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Petrino makes 3,980,434
Brohm makes 3,800,00

Purdue can afford to keep him if they want to.

If Louisville goes crazy and offers 5+ then maybe not.

It's his alma mater. He should go, lots of money, easier conference, alma mater means he'll be given more leeway for bad seasons because he's the hometown kid.

Outside its night time, but inside its LeDay

Not only his alma mater but Louisville is his hometown. His dad played there too.

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Fun fact: Brian Brohm was technically the injured Louisville QB in this game

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If Jeff brings his little brother Brian (which he very well could), watch out.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Could see UL going after Dino Babers

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

moving to another school in your division would be a slap in the face, especially now that Dino has Syracuse one win away from being #2 in the division

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I need you to tell me that you know Mississippi State and Florida aren't in the same division.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Whoops, I made a mistake, but hey inter conference coaching swaps happen ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Tom O'Brien switched from BC to NC State...that's didn't end that well.

He will not finish the season.

Some would argue he never started it.

We put the K in Kwality

With regards to Petrino, it is crazy when you look at his season-by-season head coaching records. Generally, a very solid to very good record each year, other than a couple outlier seasons. That being said, maybe it was apparent to all involved that he no longer gave a crap / or Papa John's $$ just wanted more wins.

There is no doubt Louisville looked horrible this year. Does anyone believe that it is possible that Lamar Jackson was so obviously the focus for Louisville the last couple years (appeared to just use his freak athletic ability play-to-play) that the rest of the team lost out on the chance to develop?

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

Now that Papa John is no longer affiliated with Papa John's, there might be a bit less money to go around as a whole.

Yes. Look at VT and Michael Vick or Tyrod Taylor. Michale Vick was so good we didn't hire a "real" OC after Bustle left. Tyrod was so good that, even with Stinespring, we were winning 10 games.

If FSU fires Taggart they are morons. I know FSU doesn't look great but 1 year is too little to fix that place.

The coaching carousel will be interesting this year because I can't think of any major splash candidates that are reasonably available. Brohm is a popular candidate but he needs to be pulled away from a P5 job. A reasonable possibility for Louisville given his deep ties, but probably not for many other schools.

I think we could see a lot of hot seat coaches get another year due to the (seemingly) small pool of flashy candidates. However, there is always room for this to change quickly. One huge fire/hire could cause a chain reaction.

the sentiment down here is that he's lost his team. In year one. and that he cannot win them back. EVER. the damage that is occurring is not fixable no matter what the time frame is so its best to move on now than wait and see.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

And yet they're stlll closer to a bowl game than we are.

Wait, who we talking about.? /S sort of...

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but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Devil's Advocate: Year One is the year where the team gets lost. With a new coach and massive changes to how the program is being run, the first year is probably the year to clear out the guys who aren't going to be happy. I'd find it hard to believe that a first year coach isn't going to have time to bring in his guys and get it on the right track, especially since this is a familiar pattern in Taggart's coaching experience.

Sounds like you know the scenario far better than I do, but I still think Taggart will be successful there if the admins aren't shortsighted about it.

I honestly have my doubts about Taggart. He has an overall losing record. I recognize that part of that is he turned around WKU and USF. The question is whether his system and staff can compete in the ACC. Florida St. does not lack talent. So that means his concept of "lethal simplicity" is either not lethal or not simple.

So that means his concept of "lethal simplicity" is either not lethal or not simple.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Yes... Good catch. It's the difference between a boolean or and a boolean exclusive or.

Petrino should come be our offensive coordinator for a few years as he builds his name back up for a future P5 job

I do not want Bobby Petrino anywhere near our sideline or coaching offices in Blacksburg.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Petrino is a slime bag and a bad coach. Why would you want this?

#thingsiblamethemvsfor

You really think he's a bad coach?

Yes. Have you seen Louisville play? It took an NFL caliber Heisman QB to make them decent. Even with Lamar Jackson they were only good at best.

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I mean they were better than good, but almost all of that was Todd Granthans defense and Charlie Strongs players

Because he's reasonably good on offense, which would be an upgrade over anything we've had in quite some time. I don't really give a shit that he embarrassed himself on a motorcycle with his side piece many years ago. There's plenty of guys that I wouldn't want as the face of my program but I'd be totally fine with as an OC or some other lower staff job. Guys of his stature, meaning coaches with experience that may have been dumped as a HC elsewhere, are where we need to look if you want to boost our staff in positions under Fuente rather quickly. Grabbing some other G5 coaches hoping they grow into the role could leave you waiting for a long time for things to improve. Ideally, I'd like to see the CFB equivalent of a Norv Turner on our staff (older HC that realizes he's probably just better off as an OC) but since those are rare birds, I'd totally be fine with a Petrino or Kingsbury (if he gets canned) or someone like that who might be willing to be an OC for a few years instead of taking a HC job at a lower level barely functioning college football program.

And FWIW, Petrino is not a bad college coach. There are so many many more that are worse than he is.

You forgot lied to the cops, his employer and the fans about it.

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And he dealt with the consequences and has been fine since. It's not like the guy is Sandusky.

Thankfully, Whit has a much higher standard than "at least he's not like Sandusky"

If we're going for the (probably) fired route, this is my choice:

I know people give him shit for the Baker situation but he's the best quarterback whisper in the country (Keenum, Johnny Football, Baker, Davis Webb, Patrick Mahomes, Michael Brewer). Make him the OC, force him to hire an "OC in waiting" as a position coach when he eventually leaves. Done and done.

He also fucks.

Who dat?

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MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Leg. Thank you much.

He runs a completely different offense than Fuente (wants to) run.

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That's not a bad thing.

Hence the parenthetical 'wants to'. Fuente knows what he wants to run, installing it is another issue.

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Commas save lives.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Pretty sure that's part of the joke.

At this point, I want to know how to be a Bad College Football Coach and get some of this daggum buyout money. $14M to screw up? Sign. Me. Up.

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Isn't Charlie Weis still being paid by 2 colleges to not coach?

We put the K in Kwality

Fuente making a nice move up the chart. /S

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

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but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Off topic, Saban's W-L is staggering

Fun Fact: Alabama is 50-2 with two National championships since Joel Klatt declared that "Alabama had a Nick Saban problem," after they lost to Ole Miss (by 6...with 5 turnovers, and a long TD pass that bounced off a defenders head and into the hands of an Ole Miss receiver).

Someone call Joe Klatt, tell him we've got a Justin Fuente problem.

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Let's not get carried away in either direction on this. Fuente shouldn't be fired, but I don't think he's earned a comparison (of any kind) to Saban. I mean, I like him more than Saban, but Saban already had success in both the B1G and SEC prior to taking the Bama job. All we have to go on is turning around Memphis. He did a great job, without a doubt. The question still remains whether that is going to translate to P5 success.

I'm not making a comparison to our situation, and if it came off that way it was not intentional. I was just saying an unrelated fun fact (at least in my mind).

LOL. It was literally a "fun fact". Leg for that. My apologies for assuming intent.

Maybe having this really rough season is actually a blessing in disguise. Missing the bowl game could allow us to move on to a new OC earlier in the coaching carousel, and I don't think we will have to worry about Fuente getting poached by someone like Oklahoma. Lastly, everyone talks about those extra practices. I think it would be more beneficial to get the younger guys in the weight room and working on speed as oppose to focus on beating a mid-level G5 opponent in some meaningless bowl.

http://dailysnark.com/report-cowboys-discussing-firing-jason-garrett-going-after-oklahoma-head-coach-lincoln-riley/?fbclid=IwAR2qjsNrKVS6g7ZETqCUJTpudg8nrFQtZXFbEEvYlZu-OIBJqYj_mOrlCb4

Most bowl practices aren't geared toward the game itself. Also with no bowl practice means no contact for the most part with coaches. There is no upside to missing a bowl game.

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ESPN just reported that Kansas is finalizing a deal with Les Miles. The Mad Hatter returns!

I would take Miles in a heartbeat

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No, never as the HC.

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No team should hire a coach who refuses to install an offense

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It feels like we did 🙁

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Fuente is at least making an effort. Les makes the 2007 VT offense look like 2010 Oregon.

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I think he's talking about the guy before him *ducks*

This despite Kansas having their best season in a decade...go figure

They literally have 1 commit for 2019. He spent the last two years repeating the same mistakes his predecessors did: loading up on jucos for a couple of cheap wins while crippling long term prospects for the program. They got some wins, but they're in just as bad a place as when he took over.

Interesting move, idk if I like it. Who you gonna hire to replace him?

Brad Cornelson?

Colorado is going to get Neuheisel or Mora.

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Neuheisel is a class act.

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Florida State is flirting with becoming a below average football program for a long time. I don't think I've ever seen a fanbase more impatient than theirs. Jimbo has one bad season, and he's essentially forced out the door (I know that he might have been going to College Station anyway, but let's not act like the FSU fanbase was exactly pleasant about anything that was happening last season). Then there were fans calling for Taggart's firing after their game against us. I get that the rest of the season has been a shitshow as well, but there is a culture problem right now at Florida State that won't be fixed in one offseason or with a lame swag surf. FFS, I've seen FSU fans saying that Taggart needs a bullet put through his head.

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Don't look now but we're slowly becoming that same fan base. Fuente won 19 games in two seasons and I know people ready for him to be fired already.

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

Lol foreal and idk why people saying that think it'll do anything but increase the negative momentum of the program right now

We're on our way to being Tennessee. Our fans need to chill the fuck out. We had a historically bad season. Our team looks worse than it has in a long long time. People are upset. That's understandable. But we also need to check ourselves a bit. One bad season isn't a reason to pull out the pitchforks. That's how programs, like Tennessee, end up in cfb purgatory. Let's relax and be more positive as we head into the off season. If next season is as bad or worse then I think it'll be a more appropriate time to pull out the pitchforks. But now is too early.

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

Fuente has bought himself one more season. Another repeat of this year and he's going to be gone. If we repeat this season it will be warranted.

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*looks at DL depth chart for next year*

Hold on to your potatoes!

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

ehhhh.... As Hokies, I don't think this talk of firing Fuente is a good look, even if it's just on The Key Play. Come on now. Let's talk about Fedora - that dude needs to go.

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It's literally been 24 months since the college football world was putting us on the back saying we were such a special fanbase for how patient we were with Beamer and how Fuente was a perfect fit. And we're currentlu doing our damndest to urinate and defecate all over that reputation. And some of the more prominent social media voices are the ones fanning those flames the most.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Who do you mean by that? VT fan social media? Who are prominent voices?

I don't see many calls for that but he's not helping himself with his full throated defense of Cornelsen. He puts himself in the unfortunate position of looking like he's choosing his buddy over the program. He made it clear to the players he would choose the program over them. If he acknowledged a little bit that he and Cornelsen are going to examine play calling and do everything they can to right the ship, people would be less upset. He has started moving in that direction without explicitly saying it, but it's getting a little late with the incredibly horrible performances. You can't deny a problem that everyone sees even if they don't know what they are looking at.

Unfortunately all of this stuff bubbles up.

There are a myriad of other explanations...

It's Willis's fault. But who chose to recruit Willis despite his record at Kansas and who's coaching him and why hans't he improved. I personally think Willis is serviceable.

It's execution. We're about to play our 11th game. Shouldn't we know how to execute our offense? If not, doesn't that suggest there's some other problem than "crappy players" (I don't think they're crappy but the insertion is they are), who were recruited by this staff?

What I am starting to get really concerned about is that a QB's development seems to be limited to what they learn from getting experience alone.

Evans clearly felt he had nothing to gain by staying. I was on board with the idea the he should have stayed, and developed, but I'm not so sure about that anymore.

JJ hasn't really developed that much. He was pretty good last year. He was about the same this year.

Willis doesn't seem like he's come along all that much. His performance here is better than at Kansas, but the players here are better as well.

Hooker has yet to throw a single pass, and we had plenty of garbage time against W&M. Please understand, I have nothing against Hooker. He didn't recruit himself and he certainly isn't coaching himself.

AJ Bush was also selected by this staff. He didn't turn out either. He's getting playing time at Illinois but he as 5TD to 9 INTs... It doesn't seem his time here helped.

Now we're using QP as some kind of battering ram at seemingly random moments.

The running backs don't seem to have developed. Steven Peoples gets yards on pure determination.

The only group of players on the offense that seem to have developed at all are the wide receivers. It's possible Wiggins could be the best assistant coach on offensive side of the ball.

Any one of these issues in a vacuum is a head scratcher. All together they suggest something else is wrong.

I also don't understand the unwillingness to believe some of our assistant coaches could be in over their heads. There are 129 FBS football teams. That's not a lot. The chances of any one coach at any level being able to be good at the FBS level is pretty low. We can't just think that because a particular coach is on our staff they are the absolute best option we have.

Expecting better from our offense (which would still result in lost games) does not make us Tennessee. That is a total straw man. SEC coaches get fired for not make the CFP and not winning Natties (see Mark Richt). I doubt anyone would be upset with Fuente or Cornelson if our offense (which is their specialty) looked up to the part and our defense completely fell apart. Do you think people would be as upset about a 52-49 Pitt Loss? I'm sure most people would have shrugged off a 52-45 loss. Nobody is going to overlook a 52-22 loss. Not against that defense.

Both sides of the ball look bad but the defense's problems are obvious, and the defense is run by a guy that has decades of experience in putting up top ranked P5 defenses.

Ultimately Fuente can help himself by acknowledging something needs to be improved. He's moving that way (like I said at the top of this reply) by hinting at "putting players in a better position to succeed." That's kind of saying, better preparing them and calling the right plays. He really didn't help himself with the, "This is the same guy that set 10 records," comment. That was not received well and he's still suffering the consequences for it because it sounded arrogant and tone deaf.

As I've said before, Fuente has the potential to be a great head coach, but he really needs to work through the PR part of the job better. Being a HC is more than just football. He's the CEO of a $87M company who's brand is going to bowl games and beating UVA. That brand is in danger of being lost under his watch.

He puts himself in the unfortunate position of looking like he's choosing his buddy over the program. He made it clear to the players he would choose the program over them. If he acknowledged a little bit that he and Cornelsen are going to examine play calling and do everything they can to right the ship, people would be less upset.

Let's wait and see what happens... Beamer wasn't throwing O'cainspring under the bus with a game left in the season. He might just be waiting until the season ends. We'll see.

It's execution. We're about to play our 11th game. Shouldn't we know how to execute our offense? If not, doesn't that suggest there's some other problem than "crappy players" (I don't think they're crappy but the insertion is they are), who were recruited by this staff?

Granted this example is from the defense, but it took Stroman and Bonner at least 3 seasons to become meaningful players. I really don't think 11 games is enough when the entire team is so young.

What I am starting to get really concerned about is that a QB's development seems to be limited to what they learn from getting experience alone.

Evans left because he wanted a pay check to support his family, and he wanted that pay check immediately. AJ Bush was a fill-in for the back up, as is Willis (Willis can't even run the read option, I don't know what he doesn't get, if it's a coaching failure, or what). To a degree, I agree with HH, and JJ, but it's tough to determine how much is the result of coaching and how much is the result of the player. The QP situation is mind boggling tbh. I don't like the 'we don't want to hurt our 3rd string' argument.

I think recruiting is a gripe, but remember, most of these guys are either Beamer recruits or 'best available pick ups' (Willis, Bush). There's a reason these guys are available.

The running backs don't seem to have developed. Steven Peoples gets yards on pure determination.

Peoples and McClease are both much improved. Sam Rogers was also much improved in 2016. Running back recruiting needs to improve.

The only group of players on the offense that seem to have developed at all are the wide receivers. It's possible Wiggins could be the best assistant coach on offensive side of the ball.

Offensive line??? it's the best it's been since 2011, if not earlier.

I also don't understand the unwillingness to believe some of our assistant coaches could be in over their heads.

Honestly, I think it is tough to assign blame to youth versus coaching, especially when we have so little visibility to what's going on in the practices.

As I've said before, Fuente has the potential to be a great head coach, but he really needs to work through the PR part of the job better. Being a HC is more than just football. He's the CEO of a $87M company who's brand is going to bowl games and beating UVA. That brand is in danger of being lost under his watch.

Here, here. I think he was drawn to VT because it doesn't have the same 'fish bowl' that most of its peer institutions do. But that doesn't mean he can just ignore his PR responsibilities.

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That's a well considered and fair post. I'm of the opinion that this year was largely out of Fuente's direct control, but you highlight the indirect ways he could have better prepared this team.

I don't think Corny is bad, but I don't think he's good either. And I certainly expected more offense, no matter the QB situation.

Your post outlines a reasonable framework of accountability without delving into fan boy overreaction. Well done.

I agree, great job laying it out Selhini!

lets run these down with some actual context:

Evans clearly felt he had nothing to gain by staying. I was on board with the idea the he should have stayed, and developed, but I'm not so sure about that anymore.

Pure assumption. Evans wanted to get paid and left to get a paycheck. That doesn't mean he felt he had nothing to gain by staying.

JJ hasn't really developed that much. He was pretty good last year. He was about the same this year.

JJ led us to a winning season as a R-FR while being injured through the 2nd half the season, that alone is showing great development. This year was cut short and with what obviously has been a young struggling offense that needed experience. Contextually to the time he actually played showing quite good development.

Willis doesn't seem like he's come along all that much. His performance here is better than at Kansas, but the players here are better as well.

Disagree. It seems obvious, like Brewer, that Willis has a ceiling. That isn't meant as a knock on him it just is what it is.

Hooker has yet to throw a single pass, and we had plenty of garbage time against W&M. Please understand, I have nothing against Hooker. He didn't recruit himself and he certainly isn't coaching himself.

Often times recruits don't develop into starters. Hooker may yet surprise everyone but so far this is the case. It literally happens at every program.

AJ Bush was also selected by this staff. He didn't turn out either. He's getting playing time at Illinois but he as 5TD to 9 INTs... It doesn't seem his time here helped.

A transfer that was brought in to add depth and competition to the QB room. Wasn't made the starter, transferred and had a mediocre year as a starter at another program. How is this on Fuente who chose to start a QB that was better than him?

Now we're using QP as some kind of battering ram at seemingly random moments.

Without burning his redshirt, putting true freshman in games to help slow it down is not only smart but used at every program.

The running backs don't seem to have developed. Steven Peoples gets yards on pure determination.

Being coached by a WR coach will affect this. I don't fault Burden on this as he switched to remain on staff and I respect that. He's a team player and kills it at recruiting.

The only group of players on the offense that seem to have developed at all are the wide receivers. It's possible Wiggins could be the best assistant coach on offensive side of the ball.

Disagree. I can still see problems with fundamentals and there have been far too many dropped balls to say that Wiggins is the best assistant coach on offense. We also have had numerous WRs have breakout games only to never see them again, or in Savoy's case transfer. IMO Burden is a better WR coach and should be switched back.

Looks at the tracker. Reads twitter. Reads this comment.

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I haven't seen a lot of people on here calling for his firing. If there are people, they're certainly in the minority. Twitter yeah, but Twitter is a cesspool.

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Wow, Fuente up to #6! He's TOP TEN!

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but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

He's one spot above....Larry Fedora?!?

Yeah, that list is absurd.

I doubt it's based on anything other than record an potentially fan noise.

If they saw his buyout numbers he's be in the "safe for now" category.

Timecop is back in Virginia as the new W&M head coach

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

My dads a VT and W&M grad and hes gonnna not watch W&M games anymore cause they hired the clock management buffoon

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clock management buffoon

Is that where the "time" part of Time Cop came from?

Yes. Frequent mismanagement of time outs was his M.O., including one game where sat on his 2 time outs to allow us to kick a game-winning field goal as time expired one year. And another time when he tried to use a 4th time out, don't remember when that was.

"Cop" came from he was a former police officer.

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James Franklin wanted by USC?

Devyn, we take back every bad thing we said if this happens lol (Especially after the Gary injury)

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Why? He'll probably follow him to USC. And not to belabor the point, but he very specifically stated that he would love to be coached by the first black national championship coach. Could that be Franklin in 3-4 yrs? Very possible.

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Franklin can't get out of his own way enough to win an National Championship. His end game management is horrendous and it's unlikely you can play 2 playoff games and not be in a close game.

Mark Whipple out at UMASS

Looks like we'll be seeing some long term underperformers get canned this year. With the lack of a huge candidate pool it'll be interesting to see who ends up with these jobs.

It'll be an influx of fresh long-term underperformers.

How 'bout Brad Cornelsen?

Texas Tech is interested in Brent Venables.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

I bet Kliff would be a great OC in Blacksburg for a year or two while he rehabs his image. Just saying.

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I completely admit this is a pipe dream. Some NFL team is going to write him a check.

According to my wife and her girlfriends, he looks fine as hell. Are they not talking about football?

I heard mike norvell might be looking for a job ;D

Probably be a FBS HC.

edit: maybe not?

Wouldn't be shocked if they went after Bud for the HC job, the "reverse Fuente" if you will

He gone:

Will Harbaugh be out? He 2-4 against MSU and 0-4 against Ohio state.

Worth every bit of his huge yearly pay.

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I feel like the candidate pool is shallower than ever. Mike Novell and Venables are probably the top guys. Depending on the job, Babers has done well. Heupel had 1 good season, Kiffin didnt do that well this year. ISU guy, Matt Campbell?, could get some offers. But I dont see a lot of good candidates.

They should've hired Mike London, but Bill & Mary beat them to the punch. UVA and UNC both have similar levels of douchebaggery.

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Fuente is going to miss his punching bag.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Mack Brown to UNC is a real rumor going on right now.

I had not realized he was the HC at UNC from 88-97. Interesting...

He was HC at UNC when they absolutely dismantled us in the Gator Bowl.

Brown had already left for Texas by the bowl game. Torbush was interim head coach that day.

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Quick, someone disable Bud's phone so they don't contact him!

But Mack Brown? Yeah, the 67-year-old national title winner at Texas, retired since 2013, is a name floating around boosters at UNC. Given that Brown is second all-time in program wins at North Carolina (he coached the Heels from 1988-'97), this isn't quite as strange as Les Miles to Kansas, but the style (and age) of Brown is at odds with the desire among UNC insiders to get "younger and cooler," per one source.

Please let them be stupid enough to bring Mack Brown. If they're trying to become younger and cooler, Kliff Kingsbury becomes an obvious choice for them.

Lane Kiffin to UNC. Replace one douche with another.

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Fedora officially gone.

I came to share this. Yall beat me by like...7 seconds, wtf.

Can we add a table to the OP? Three columns: Team, Fired Coach, New Coach, and update as the off season continues?

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Well, here's probably the real reason.

Just heard on XM ACC radio - Scott Loeffler to become Bowling Green head coach

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Josh Jackson on Ricky Walker - ““He is the captain of this team, He’s the leader. He’s the bell cow, the Pail Holder.“

I know Charlotte is FBS, but I don't know... that doesn't seem like a step up. I mean Charlotte's stadium is about half the size...

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The JMU Stadium is pretty much the definition of "we need more Duke Donors to complete."

I've always thought the JMU stadium looks like they forgot that they had a stadium on both sides of the field.

I want to die

Don't understand that. I think it would be a dumb move for him. Give him another year at JMU with a great showing and somebody bigger will come calling.

This is the first time I've seen a coach go from FCS to FBS and thought it was a downgrade of a job.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

So this might not be a done deal.

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I always thought ECU was a great landing spot for Houston. And it wouldn't surprise me if that job came open soon.

Is it football season yet?

I saw his interview on facebook - he mentioned Charlotte was 2.5 hours from home. He grew up in Franklin and his wife grew up in Sylva.

I think Charlotte would be a good spot for him - wonder if he is still bitter about not being accepted to ECU for medical school...

Mike Houston - JMU

Having a Corso moment here...

ECU is my money.

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UNC announced the dismissals of almost the entire remaining UNC staff... Thigpen was not mentioned among them.

The coaching carousel is going full speed today.

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And chinballs is gone. So long farewell Coach Paul Johnson.

UNC hired Tim Brewster back, who is a stud recruiter. Looking forward to UNC beating us on the trail and then wasting the talent

Looking forward to UNC beating us on the trail and then wasting the talent

I'd rather be looking forward to beating UNC on the trail, and them sucking even harder with inferior talent.

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#Sauces Lane Kiffin is who Georgia Tech is looking to get.

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I love this for the memes, but I'm ready for Clemson to start getting their staff poached. Tony Elliot was mentioned as a candidate for GT, Brandon Streeter (QB coach and stud recruiter) mentioned as candidate for Tenn OC and likely other jobs, etc.

I am a fan of this decision. No reason to inherit the dumpster fire of that team/university.

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And some Louisville fans did it take it well.

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Well, that will get Brohm to change his mind. /s

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"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
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"11-0, bro"
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I know, right? Way to reinforce his decision.

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That's... surprising, to say the least. I figured Louisville would be throwing more money around than he could imagine. And turning that program around would've made him a legend at his alma mater.

Purdue about to open that BIG bank.

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Upwards of $6 million/year per #Sauces

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This might be the first time we see the real impact of the B1G Network vs the Raycom debacle here in the ACC

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If it was any school but Louisville, I might agree. Some things just are worth any amount of money.

According to the news this morning, Purdue has twice the money of Louisville. They get a 53 million check from the B!G every year. He was making 3.8 already and has a bigger budget for assistants at Purdue.

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I think its more about his ability to scout QBs. I full spread would never completely work in the NFL. Sprinkling Spread concepts into a pro-style offense works though.

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I would love for the Packers to spice things up with Kingsbury.

#Sauces at ECU suggest that Scottie is on his way out. Waiting for the final decision.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

It's done.

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That's three new coaches on our schedule next year.

Not if we give ECU the boot .... please oh pretty please.

Given that Butch is a member here at TKP, hopefully we will get the inside scoop shortly. Probably after he is done washing Saben's car one last time.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

This makes a ton more sense to me than the Charlotte job, and probably why someone leaked that news prematurely yesterday.

NO!

That would seriously piss me off. God damn we need to drop this series sooner rather than later.

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Let's see ECU's checklist...

-Cancel game against Tech, and leave the state. Check.
-Ignore phone calls about insurance payment or rescheduling. Check.
-Call up the road to schedule game against NCSt. Check.
-Still ignore Tech.....Check.
-Fire coach before last game. CHECK.

Bye Felicia.

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I wonder if Scottie knows...

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Is Scottie Montgomery an upgrade over Corn? I kinda feel like he would be a huge distraction

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No thanks. He is the James Johnson of CFB- had no business getting a HC job.

But he does know the recruiting territory better than Corn, he is a good offensive mind, which we all agree Corn is not, and he doesn't have to be a head coach.
The only downside I really see to him being an offensive coordinator for Fu is him having to take the backseat which I don't think he will do really well

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he is a good offensive mind, which we all agree Corn is not,

No, we don't all agree that Corn is not.

Nooooo, he was a horrible OC at Duke

See above gif.

Shane would make for a hell of a plot twist in the ECU/VT saga

Okay lets just go with Butch cause no way I want to play those other two every year for the rest of my life.

I want Shane in an HC position but not at ECU. Houston go to Charlotte.

That is the sad part, Shane would be a good fit, knows the area for recruiting, up and coming coach, there is some talent there...

Shane would do very well there. They would actually play defense under Shane- he would demand it. It would be a great hire for them.

BUT WAIT

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He'd be an idiot to take a job right now. His demand is only growing.

Edit: From a money perspective, obviously if there's a job that he really wants he'd probably take it.

I dunno, Todd Helton is a dead man walking and if Kingsbury ends up having a good year he could be the next head coach at USC.

Not sure what KK wants with his life but I know that *I* would love to be on the USC coaching staff, living in SoCal, and making good money.

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I can't imagine anybody wanting to live in SoCal.
Smog
Too many people
Dirty cities
Too much traffic
Insane Real Estate Prices
did I mention too many people?

I don't love LA but places like Huntington Beach (where Pete Carroll lived) are beautiful.

Its not dirty/smoggy there and he's gonna be rich so *shrug*

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Pete lived in Hermosa Beach, not Huntington Beach. Huntington to USC Campus would be an absolute nightmare to commute.

My first 4th of July living in Hermosa I was walking the strand (think concrete boardwalk), and Pistol Pete came running out with a boggy board right in front of me.

Since moving back to the East Coast, I have missed living in Cali every day. Biggest regret of my life, is leaving there.

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Ah, maybe that's what I meant, it's been a while.

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I wouldn't but I can understand why a young, single male making lots of money would want to live there.

Outstanding trumpet players.....amirite

Not sure if this offsets all the California state taxes and government, but if anything does, this would.

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People generally tend to be ok with paying more in places that people want to live, and less in places where people don't

Really? Great weather. He will make enough money where "dirty cities" whatever that means aren't really an issue where he will live. Great beaches, great food and entertainment scene.

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Every time I have needed to go through SoCal for work, I have seen litter, graffiti, etc all over. That is what I meant by Dirty Cities.

Places like Del Mar, Carlsbad, or Oceanside are definitely not what I would call dirty cities

That's not a SoCal thing. It's a city thing. Name any city, anywhere, and there's shitty things about it that are just kinda accepted and easy to ignore if you haven't already made up your mind that you hate it.

LA isn't for everybody, a lot of people love it and will even move cross country to be there. I tend to agree with you, you couldn't pay me to live in LA, even though I already have friends and family there. I want to live in a city where you can walk everywhere instead of driving 30 minutes to go maybe 5 miles at all hours of the day. Kingsbury might not care, or maybe like LeBron, he sees a lot of opportunity in SoCal.

Outside its night time, but inside its LeDay

Disagree with so much of this. I love LA. Sure traffic sucks at times, but I like in NOVA so i'm used to it. Agree that real estate prices suck, but most metropolitan cities are like that and not just LA.

Beautiful city. Beautiful people.

I imagine KSU goes after Brent Venables, Bret Bielema, or Jim Leavitt.

Seth Littrell from North Texas is in the mix apparently from stuff I've seen on Reddit

Maybe KSU gets Snyder's retirement right this time and doesn't have to rehire him at age 83.

JMU's Mike Houston has been named head coach of East Carolina.

For a team that plays them every year, that's not the best news for us.

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Oof, that's not good. He will likely build them into a pretty dangerous team again in a couple of years. Really good hire for them.

In a couple of years, when we arent playing them? Works for me.

We are still scheduled to play them 6 times in the next 8 years or so

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And we are scheduled to play Marshall in a years where we have 4 OOC teams (ECU being one of those teams). Don't ruin my dream!

Liberty joining the ride!

Best of luck to the Gill family and wishing good health their way.

Hugh freeze, Art Briles or Paterino all seem like fits for that AD.

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I thought you said Paterno

and.... you'd still be right

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Saw this coming a mile away.

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So, Lorenzo Ward is the interim coach for Louisville. I did not know this.

That aged well (see below).

Urban "retiring"

Stop me if you've heard that one before.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I think I might just heat up some popcorn and dive into Brett McMurphy's Twitter feed the rest of the morning

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Damn I shouldn't have unfollowed him yesterday.

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Why did you unfollow him? McMurphy is one of the best CFB reporters in the country imo

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

The reply's to his tweets since Urban Zach Zmith have been awful. Decided I would just follow an account that retweets him.

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the Ohio State Mafia has been out in full force since the story broke. And McMurphy has been proven right again and again, but it still doesn't matter. Most of the stuff out of Columbus on twitter lately has been downright disgusting bile.

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Makes sense. Urban's army is full of nozzles.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

So what new scandal is revealed in a month? That seams to be the pattern behind Urban's "retiring."

I know this is more about Head Coaching moves, but I couldn't resist sharing this.

My buddy, a huge Vols fan, texted me saying, "should it take this long to hire an OC?"

I didn't miss a beat -- "They are waiting on VolTwitter to tell them who is okay to hire. #zinggg"

Virginian by Birth, Hokie by Choice

Perfect! In reality though, they have to see who the Haslams want to hire, then throw it against the wall that is VolTwitter and see if it sticks.

Stinespring may be the new head man at JMU

edit: I may have interpreted the tweet wrong. I think Tyrod may just be just jockeying for Stiney here.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

680 The Fan in Atlanta reporting GT has offered Ken Whisenhunt the head job. Oh please, Santa, you don't have to give me anything else this year.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

GOOOOOOOOOD!

Also, here's his Wikipedia right now haha:

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FWIW, My #sauce says that this isn't true, and that GT interviewed Temple HC Jeff Collins yesterday (Wednesday).

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why should I call edit? Who is edit?

Also, they didn't hire Jeff Collins. They hired some guy named Geoff Collins. Maybe they're related though?

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Geoff is probably a better hire than Jeff. We'll see though.

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So Ryan Day is getting 4.5 million to an unproven HC. How high is the bidding war when saban steps down and they want Dabo. It's going to be an arms race of epic proportions.

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This sketchy guy is back in Maryland.

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I would love to see the Saban coaching tree mapped out.

Using /s is for cowards.

Remind me - why is he a sketchy guy? I honestly don't remember.

I'll link Twitter when I get a chance...

Hugh Freeze has apparently accepted the Liberty head coaching position.

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The GT Triple Option is officially dead and buried

I think this deserves a FAM Thread on its own

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Yeah, but Collins might actually be good. He managed to win at TEMPLE!

So did Al Golden

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Making me feel better. Thanks.

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Is it really joke stealing if the first statement is made twice?

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Reiterating what I said in the Geoff Collins specific thread, but -

The difference between Collins and Golden is that Collins is/was a better recruiter, and we rarely recruit head to head with Miami. Our recruiting footprint is basically the east coast starting in DMV/Baltimore going south to Atlanta area. We want the worst recruiters in those schools as possible. Having great recruiters at PSU and Clemson, much less UNC and GT will be a thorn in our side. These hires could definitely cause a domino effect that results in 1-3 less four stars for VT each year.

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I don't think we have to worry about a good recruiter at GT. If you ask their fans, none of our players could get into GT....

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I get the sarcasm in your comments, but Collins could make GT much more attractive to players like Dax and QP.

I would hardly call GT a sleeping giant, but I really think the right coach could make them a 9 win/season school. Honestly, I am concerned.

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Hugh Freeze to Liberty!

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"I believe he is the kind of candidate that we would look for," Nasser, the senior vice president for spiritual development at Liberty, told the website.

Dave, we all believed that about Liberty, you don't need to tell us.

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What an interesting job title

Is Dave related to Larry?

I mean normally I wouldn't ask, but it is Liberty....

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different spelling, but totally a valid question.

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Liberty really pushing the religious values hard these days I see.

Can't circle the wagons unless there is criticism from outside. By acting in heinous ways that invite criticism, they get to act persecuted and sell people on the idea that their identity is being attacked, not their actions. Which makes people who vaguely support them but don't pay much attention to the details double down on their commitment as a shield from any negative opinions. So now they reap increased credibility from within in their circle while also winning football games (which increases money, both of which increase outside credibility). This move is a win-win for them.

At least Freeze has apologized and asked for forgiveness for his actions. I don't know that the Liberty AD ever has acknowledged that he even did anything wrong at Baylor.

(That was not condoning or endorsing the hire)

That's true. Honestly, in a vacuum, I don't think Freeze is nearly as terrible as some other coaches. Slime bag for sure who cheated blatantly, left his previous school a smoldering mess, and had a penchant for prostitutes, but no where near the level of the McCaw. It's more the extreme hypocrisy of a religious institution hiring a man who made a mockery of all the values they supposedly hold.

Wow, interesting thought. Hadn't framed it that way. This would extend to much more than Liberty. Act crazy so you can defend yourself seems to be a common theme these days.

It's certainly not an unheard of tactic by some on TKP either.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Page 1 of the Westboro Baptist Church's playbook.

Is it an act with them, though?

good question. They can be very calculated, but that does not preclude crazy. I mean, they intentionally put some of the members through law school then plan protests that stay just on the right side of legal. They push their opponents into crossing that line then they sue like crazy, win, and fund their efforts.

In the words of the great Keanu Reeves, "crazy, not stupid."

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It is. Their main stream of revenue is settled lawsuits.

Can I just say I am so proud of my wife. She was an athlete at Liberty before all this crap with McCaw on a team that worked there way up in the NCAA by winning their conferences. She just texted a group of friends how annoyed she is with the Athletic Department with McCaw all that and how they constantly hound her for money and asking to attend football games to show support. She finished the text with a mic drop.

LOL YEAH RIGHT. I'm a hokie now ok

I still want to kick their ass like we did a couple years ago. I don't care who the coach is, what scandal they are on today, or what values they pretend to uphold, I want to mow the field with them, and take their cheerleaders for ransom.

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The amount of money they bring in, they could be a thorn in the Virginia landscape in recruiting.

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Without a conference and the really strict rules will always limit them.

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Even if they do get into a conference, its only a matter of time before the P5 go toward an insular scheduling format, effectively locking out the G5. And I don't see any P5 conferences that would really welcome Liberty at this point. Maybe the BXII, but after going through what they did with Baylor, I'm sure they'd be extremely apprehensive to Liberty now.

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But they don't need a conference, they're the evangelical version of Notre Dame...

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I know this is sarcasm and what they think, but um...yeah...I'm gonna need you to chew on that vomit for a sec for that one.

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Notre Dame at least allows alcohol consumption at their tailgates. Liberty does not. Why would any conference want Liberty to join where their fans can pay money to travel to an away game and not truly tailgate.

really strict rules

LOL football players there don't follow their rules.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Is this documented, based on personal knowledge, or just an assumption? Honestly curious.

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They are the ones that have most of the parties at Liberty and do the things that most college kids do.

It doesn't really matter because I bet Liberty will not have any of their strict rules in about 5 years. A lot of their former strict rules have been either deleted or weakened in the last 5 years.

Personal knowledge.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Disagree, personally I'm embarrassed that my alma mater is acknowledging a sham university. No matter how badly we beat them, we only increase their credibility by playing them

womp womp

That "top tier" staff is really coming together.

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North Texas > UNC

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This is actually a very good hire

VB born, class of '14

So Thigpen isn't getting that Co-DC spot as reported before?

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to be fair, Army's offense was so efficient this year their defense was barely on the field this year. Oklahoma's offense was only on the field for 15 minutes against Army

Army's S&P+ ranking for defense is 77th

meanwhile their total defense (yards per game) rank is 32nd.

their time of possession rank was #4

These rankings would imply the Army D benefitted greatly from the Army O camping out on the field.

Kansas is paying new OC $550,000 and that goes up to $750,000 in year three. That is insane.

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Something something #armsrace

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Have you read any good articles summing this up to date? Perfect term for what's been happening. It's across the board, facilities are being built everywhere or getting big time renovations. Head and assistant coaches, conference commissioners, ADs, all of their salaries have skyrocketed. It would be fascinating to the see the ascensions of the budgets and expenses of athletic departments over the last 15-20 years.

For the long-time season ticket holders, how drastically have prices changed over the years? Anybody remember what they were paying way back vs today or recent years?

This is only on one aspect of what you mentioned, coaching salaries, but it's a good look at how the numbers have increased dramatically going all the way back to the early days of college football

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/6/4/17390394/college-foot...

Quoting the graphic that is their "short version" (all amounts in 2018 dollars, ie adjusted for inflation):
Walter camp, Yale, 1888 - Volunteer
Bill Reid, Harvard, 1905, $161,766
Bear Bryant, Alabama, 1982 - $1.1 million
Bobby Bowden, FSU, 1995 - $1.6 million
Nick Saban, Alabama, 2017, $11.1 million

Thanks for sharing this. It was insightful in respect to coaching salaries.

I appreciated the last paragraph

in 149 years, college football has moved from club leisure activity to professional endeavor.
And many people — besides the athletes — have generated generational wealth while participating in it. Because the athletes can't be paid above a cost-of-attendance stipend, the money has to go somewhere. By continually increasing amounts, coaching salaries is one major place the money goes.

You know they're actually serious this time when they start throwing some of that basketball money at the football team.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Chris Kleiman from NDSU to Kansas State.

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Don't understand at all how KState fans are pissed by this....

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"That's it, lets rehire Bill Snyder!"

I'm not sure how FCS success translates to coaching FBS. If anything we've seen it's a slow process.

Craig Bohl at Wyoming, Todd Monken, Everett Withers at Texas State, and Willie Fritz at Tulane I can think of off the top of my head. Withers did awful and Bohl (last NDSU guy) still tbd. Fritz will be fine but has had very slow growth. Monken clearly has done great but he's also in a different category with the triple option at a service academy.

I'm not sure how FCS success translates to coaching FBS

Scott Satterfield was coaching at App St. when they were in their last year in the FCS. Almost beat Tennessee three years ago and almost beat Penn State in their home turf. They won 7 games the first year in FBS but couldn't go to a bowl game because of the transition year. Have been to a bowl the past two years and have won both games.

Tough crowd, eh?

Monken: best season at Army in decades
Bohl: hosted Mountain West Title game just a year or so ago
Fritz: Tulane is going bowling since....Bowden
Satterfield: led transition at App St, current Sun Belt Champs

Another lower level to FBS transitions:
Leipold at Buffalo: best regular season in a decade
Frank Beamer: 23 straight bowl games, shot at a national title

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Tressell Youngstown to OSU?

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Don't forget about Mike London!!

I mean of course you can find examples of people who win but as far as getting home run hires I'm not convinced. It's at least clear it takes time to adjust. I'd rather have someone with a system that's proven at the level of the job and experience recruiting p5 or mid fbs level players.

Also it's petty but Satterfield doesn't really count and Tulane went bowling in 2013.

Most of the frustration I've heard comes from the fact that he's coaching NDSU through the playoffs, and thus will miss the early signing period for KState. All the response to the actual hire has been positive.

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Maryland grabbed DeMatha HC Elijah Brooks to be RB coach. They'll pull recruits if they can coach em up watch out Maryland could be sneaky good.

Maryland Football Staff (so far)

HC: Mike Locksley
OC: Tee Martin
AHC/TE: Butch Jones
RB: Elijah Brooks
CB: Cory Robinson

Tee Martin went from being a Broyles award finalist to getting canned by USC. He was a looking like a HC candidate coming off of 2017. Helton must be on real thin ice.

I'll bet Kliff Kingsbury winds up as the USC interim head coach by week 8 of 2018, maybe 2019.

Someone had to be the scapegoat.

John Papuchis also reportedly joining the staff. Don't know how the on-field product will end up, but this is a recruiting-heavy staff that will certainly be a thorn in our sides for the next several years. No question about that.

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jimmies/joes > x's/o's.

So what's Texas's, USC's, Tennessee's, FSU's, Auburn's, Arkansas, Kentucky and South Carolina's issues? While recruiting can solve many things you still have to at least have decent plan for X's And O's how to use them.

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My take is that you can steal a game with X's and O's, but they won't win you a national championship. You've gotta have Jimmie's and Joe's (depth) and a solid game plan to have a chance at a natty.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

At this point, I'm not even sure pure X's and O's can win you a division title, let alone conference or National title.

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Well... I'm not sure why you included Kentucky, Arkansas, or South Carolina in that list but I'll take a stab at the rest...

At the P5 level, unless there is a major competency gap at the head coaching spot, the talent (mental and physical) you recruit matters more than the marginal advantage you can realize through player development and scheme. And at the P5 level, there generally isn't that large a competency gap at the HC position.

The schools you're citing suffered down turns due to significant competency gaps at the HC spot that impacted recruiting, player development, and donor support. They were situations where the coaches had either checked out/were on autopilot, or were run out of town due to scandal/egregious incompetence. I don't view that as a good bar for comparison. I would rather compare apples to apples. Good coaching to good coaching. And when I do that, I see that when coaching competence is comparable, it's the athletes that make the difference.

You can be PJ and beat bad teams with your scheme and "coaching prowess" and average a solid 7-5 record over a decade. But you'll do a whole lot better if you recruit better talent.

I'll concede that one possible data point in support of the argument I think you're making is Mark Richt. That guy is seemingly a solid coach who consistently underachieves with an abundance of talent. There are exceptions to every rule. Or maybe he's just not a very good coach.

Every program I listed is in the five years top 25 (till 2017) recruiting average class. So those teams should all be yearly top 30 or so in the end.

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Are we talking about winning championships or finishing in the top 30?

One conversation I find interesting, the other... not so much.

Maryland isn't winning a division or conference championship much less a national championship. So the whole Jimmie and Joes being greater than X's and O's Doesn't work. Every top team has top recruits AND top coaches.

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I don't think you're actually addressing any of what I said in my TLDR post so I'll just respond that there are plenty of teams with top coaches and less than top recruits. Those teams don't win championships.

As for UMD's football success... we'll see I suppose. But with the staff they're assembling, it's clear they understand it will take relative talent to beat OSU and UM.

I answered the first part the second I agreed with.

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Very much agree with your last statement. The best teams have a strong emphasis on recruiting as well as scheme and coaching. I think the point being made is that Jimmies and Joes (ie raw talent) greatly increases your margin for error, far more so than scheme. An Alabama team coached by Daffy Duck has a greater chance of beating a team with average talent but stronger coaches. If they played ten times, the lesser talented team may steal a few with limited mistakes and a solid gameplan, but the odds will always be in the favor of the greater talent. Even when scheme breaks down (which it can and will at the college level), having superior talent can still win you ballgames.

If you believe that, then Maryland isn't going to beat Ohio State, Michigan, or Penn State.

They likely won't with any consistency. However I think with that much recruiting power, they are going to be a problem on the trail at least for the next several years. They may not ever win the B1G East, but every recruit they beat us for in the DMV is chips into our talent level and overall recruiting efforts. Same thing with UNC, the bigger concern is a losing a few more recruits here and there each year that we needed, not that they will become a powerhouse.

I agree, but it's not like we've been kicking ass and taking names in Maryland and DC, so I'm not sure we need to have a lot of angst.

In fact, we've been in some tough recruiting battles with Penn State and Ohio State. Recruiting is going to be tough, regardless.

Maryland is picking up some names to impress recruits. I don't blame them. Would that make sense at VT? I'm not as sure it would. I saw how well Butch Jones did in recruiting, but that was at Tennessee, and I saw how well they did on the field.

Maryland likely did get a great deal on Butch Jones, if you think he's great. He's still getting paid by Tennessee, and wasn't making very much at all at Alabama, I think $35K.

Maryland still seems like a flashy gimmick to me. We'll see how it pans out. Ultimately, you have to win games.

Who would I bet on, Justin Fuente, or Mike Locksley?

My money is still on Fuente.

My point being, if things were already tough, recruiting in the region just got tougher. Clemson, OSU, Penn State etc aren't going anywhere, and now two regional schools have amped up their staffs with proven recruiting prowess. Flash, big names, and hype can win a lot of recruiting battles, for better or for worse.

It isn't really a Fuente vs locksley argument. It's more expectations of Fuente vs the reality. If VT is truly still on track to be an ACC champ and playoff contender in the next couple of years, how are we going to ensure we have the talent level needed if our primary recruiting bases are even more competitive, if things were already tough? That's I think the question on a lot of people's minds.

Yeah, recruiting is far and away the biggest drag on program success. In spite of all the discussion about player development, scheme, play-calling, adjustments, etc... it's recruiting that is keeping the VT from competing for championships. And while there has been definite improvement at certain positions, the average talent across all positions (and some key positions) is no where near where it needs to be. And it doesn't seem like it will get there any time soon. The current staff was hired to surpass what Frank accomplished, not to just try and match it... so I think there is some legitimate frustration around this failure.

That's just it, it's a little early in the Fuente years to be calling it a failure.

And not just any program can advance. I'd say the jury is still out on whether VT takes a step forward or not, and it's a little early to be conceding anything Maryland as well. They hired a salesman, but so far his coaching leaves a lot to be desired. There's a reason we pay coaches a lot of money, and head coaches even more.

The programs who fire their coaches every few years don't seem to get success that way, even if they hire great salesmen.

Football programs are aircraft carriers, not speedboats.

Yes...this is the point. Is Locksley a better coach than Fuente?...no. Mack Brown?...no.

But are both significantly more proven recruiters than Fuente that have also hired staffs full of other successful recruiters.

They will both make pulling players out of DMV and NC more difficult, at least for a couple recruiting cycles. That will not be a good thing for us.

I don't think we need to throw in the towel, but I do think VT really needs to consider evaluating our recruiting strategy and bringing in a coach or two with really strong recruiting records.

Well stated.

Per Bruce Feldman: UNC just hired Phil Longo of Ole Miss to be there OC. Not going to lie, I am pretty impressed with the staff being assembled under Mack

Air Raid in the ACC this will be interesting. I know many Ole Miss fans were tired of him.

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I wonder why. They were top 10 in yards per play in back to back years.

25th red zone and 33rd scoring offense.

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Is UNC a step up from Ole Miss?

Don't have to go through the Alabama buzzsaw every year.

Or worry about academics.

Been waiting for an opening to use this.

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Lots of smoke around Manny Diaz to Temple.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

What would a Temple turnover prop be? A philly Cheesesteak? A Rocky statue?

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A turnover crack

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Daily Press - ODU - Bobby Wilder shakes up coaching staff

"In more fallout from a 4-8 season, Wilder fired strength and conditioning coaches Ryan Martin and Joe Makovec, a day after dismissing defensive coordinator Rich Nagy, safeties coach Kermit Buggs, offensive line coach Chris Malone and cornerbacks coach Sam Perryman."

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Ugh...beating VT this year is literally the only thing that kept Bobby Wilder employed.

is that old staff or new staff?

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Yes, he was on the old staff( might still be on new staff) he was position coach of the player who died.

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DJ Durkin lands on his feet as a special consultant for Alabama with the potential for him to join their staff next year

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What's crazy is they have so many former HC on that staff yet their DC is almost brand new to top ranks of college football.

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Manny Diaz to Temple hasn't gotten enough attention here. It is mentioned above but that is a big impact to the ACC coastal.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

It's still not officially unofficial yet. They haven't finalized the deal.

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I mean, what, you think that Miami losing arguably the best coach they had on staff and the reason for their surge back to relevance in 2017 leaving to go to Temple in a reverse Golden is going to have ripple effects in the ACC which may benefit us in the end?

You mean to tell me 2019 might see a Coastal Division without the triple option, Fedoraball, AND the turnover chain?

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Unfortunately I think the chain is here to stay. But it may stay locked up a lot more.

Appalachian State hires former NC State OC and current Louisville HC doppelganger

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