Nick Bosa Withdraws From Ohio State to Prepare for the Draft

Ohio State defensive end Nick Bosa will not return to the Buckeyes this season. Instead, he intends to turn his focus to what was already his inevitable next step: the 2019 NFL Draft. Ohio State confirmed as much in a release on Tuesday.

Bosa's status has been somewhat up in the air since he suffered a core injury during Ohio State's Week 3 win over TCU. He underwent surgery for the injury the following week in Philadelphia and was ruled out indefinitely by Meyer. However, Bosa's parents indicated their son would be out until at least November so that his injury could be reevaluated and his next step (i.e. whether to return to the field or focus on the upcoming draft) could be discussed.

I'm not going to throw an opinion in on this, but this could set an even larger precedent than players skipping bowl games did.

Full article from CBS Sports: https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/star-defensive-end-nick-bosa-intends-to-withdraw-from-ohio-state-focus-on-nfl-draft/

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I actually think this is more common than people realize, it just didn't get the press in the past. It also happens in the pros where a player will shut it down midseason to fully recover from an injury instead of coming back 70% for the last 20% of the year.

Player's choice always. It is their life.

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If I'm this kid's parents, I'm thinking this injury was a blessing in disguise to get away from Urban Meyer as soon as possible. That's just what I would think if I was his dad.

Meyer was part of making his kids millionaires. But they probably were headed there without his PR nightmare.

He did go to "We aren't here to play school" U.

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It won't be long before someone voluntarily elects to skip an entire season of NCAA eligibility prior to NFL eligibility.

Edited because people aren't reading this in the context of Nick Bosa skipping the remainder of the year to focus on the upcoming NFL draft.

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Clowney played in 11 games the season prior to his draft.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Did you watch any of those games? He was on the field a lot, but he played very little.

Well, let me rephrase that. He played well below his potential. He looked like he was going through the motions most of the season. He was still respectable, but his effort was nowhere near his previous two years.

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But, he didn't leave the team and not suit up for games...that's the point.

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Even so, he didn't withdraw from the team/university prior to the season and announce that he was foregoing an entire football season to focus on training for the combine and upcoming draft in an effort to boost his draft position (and therefore salary), like I suggested a player soon might.

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He ended up playing, but there was a lot of preseason discussion about whether he would or not. It was at least enough on the table for it to be the primary discussion of the offseason in South Carolina.

Its starting to gain traction in high school...

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Yep. ESPN puts high school games on and wonders why kids "re-classify" and sit out seasons at the HS level.

reclassifying just accelerates the timetable

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Yes, and those focused on academics that aren't potential lottery or NFL picks, rarely do it. It's 100% sports related where academics should be the focus- especially in high school.

Sure. Anyone can reclassify though, although I agree that the benefits of reclassifying at the high school level are athletics-based more than academics-based. If you reclassify, you aren't "sitting out a year". You're just working hard to finish high school early and then start college early.

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reclassifying goes both ways..

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Reclassify backwards a year and cut a professional year off your career? You still have to finish high school, so what's the incentive to take longer to be done unless there's a question of injury affecting performance and wanting to prove you're worth the scholly

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There are basketball players sitting their senior year in high school, not graduating early.

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who? i'm interested in reading more but i genuinely haven't head of this, and I'm curious what exactly the benefit is for an NBA-caliber talent to sit out a year of high school ball but not reclassify. Especially with basketball having viable professional options overseas rather than spending a year in NCAA before going to the NBA.

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Its already happening

This stuff will continue to happen at every level as long as there are significant road blocks to talented players getting the money they are making for others.

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I understand what you're getting at with this, but the situations aren't entirely similar because (1) Bell is under contract (2) Bell won't be a free agent if he sits out the entire year (3) Bell already rejected a contract offer that reportedly would have made him the highest paid RB in the NFL

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That $70m contract was loaded with a lot of fluff. The only thing that matters in NFL contracts is guaranteed money, of which they offered him $33m over 5 years. He knows he can get a contract with twice the guarantees on the open market, so he rejected it. And then the Steelers franchise tagged him against his wishes, forcing him to take a 1 year deal, where, if he got hurt, would destroy his long term contract aspirations. Just ask Earl Thomas how much that is working out. Bell's contract that he signed ran out, he doesn't want to play in Pittsburgh anymore, and they're forcing that decision upon him. I don't blame him for holding out.

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Correct, but that is Demaurice Smiths problem for agreeing to franchise tags, non guarantee's, etc. The CBA that allows the Steelers to protect themselves was agreed to by the players union. Bell can sit out- that's his right. The Steelers can also continue to not pay his game checks and watch his leverage decrease by the minute as Conner puts up nearly identical numbers.

I'm not debating the merits of Bell holding out, just that it's a stretch to compare his situation to a player who isn't even eligible to play in the NFL electing to forego a season to NCAA eligibility to train but not play.

The contract offer that Rappaport detailed has $33m guaranteed (and $45m total) over the first 3 years of a 5 year deal, which would have reset the market prior to Gurley's extension. Yes, he's not "under contract" at the moment because he hasn't signed his tender, but he's definitely not in a free market this year, and won't be next offseason if he doesn't show up this year. because the Steelers would probably tag him again to avoid losing him for nothing. They're not forcing that decision to hold out on him, it was collectively bargained with the NFLPA, who agreed to that system on Bell's behalf.

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Not only are the Steelers going to tag him again next year, they get to tag him for very little money. He is going forfeit more than half his salary, so they are going have to pay him 120% of his actual salary not the 14 million he would have gotten for showing up to do his job.

I have no pity for Bell. The Steelers have a long history of doing right by their players and he is spitting on that because he wants to be the highest paid player (not QB). The linemen were right when they said you are sitting out because making 7 times our salary isn't good enough for you?

My understanding is that if he holds out all year, the salary on the next tag would be 120% of his 2016 salary, since that's his last contracted year. My guess is that the next few weeks start to see some of the wheat separate from the chaff in the respective conference standings, and one "surprise" team (DC, maybe?) decides to juice its running game by trading for him even if they have no intent to re-sign him in the offseason.

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To the detriment on my fantasy team. Fuck you Le'Veon

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Could be worse...you could have Bell and Freeman BOTH ON ONE TEAM

My woes are almost as bad. I drafted Dalvin Cook and Leonard Fournette as my first two picks. They have scored 17 and 8 points, respectively, over the season. Only 5 total points have been scored by them after week 2.

I didn't realize he was hurt and thought he just decided that he was good enough now to be taken in the Top 5 and just was like "nah, I'm good" and hung them up. THAT would have been some ish.

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THAT would have been some ish

...Why? The NCAA has assigned a value to a player's eligibility and it's a scholarship. If a player's value increases to become significantly higher than that, I don't see why the issue with him making a decision to preserve the higher value.

If you were a student on academic scholarship and a company said "I'll offer you a $5 million annual salary to drop out and come work for us," would you think it's wrong to accept the offer?

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Only because I don't think any player in the NCAA has just quit mid-season or skipped an entire year prior to being eligible for the draft.

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The last few years have seen a handful of high profile NCAA football players "shut down" prior to the bowl game to focus on the draft. Christian McCaffrey and Leonard Fournette are two notabkes that jump to mind.

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I know skipping the bowl game has become more popular and I am fine with it. Bowl games outside the playoffs
mean nothing and by skipping the game the player eliminates their injury risk and lets another guy on the team participate in a game that should be a "reward" for a good season.

Has a player ever dropped out mid-season, while healthy, to focus on the draft? While that would be intelligent from a risk reduction standpoint, I think it would be a sign of a selfish player who bailed on his team. If you start the season, finish the season. Otherwise declare before the season and start training for the pros.

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Kelly Bryant left the team midseason to retain transfer eligibility. It's a similar situation, if a little nuanced.

Didn't Mark Leal do that just a couple years ago? Took a job offer and left the team and school in the middle of football season?

Not to train for the NFL draft, but pretty close to what you describe.

Not sure if this makes any sort of difference to either side of the discussion, but Mark Leal had already graduated when he got the job offer.

Plus he was pretty much doomed to be a pine rider so his decision made sense and did not directly affect the dynamics of the team

Cardale has realized that the big NFL check probably isn't coming. In order to cash in on that C'SHIP that he delivered, he will need some paperwork behind his name.....🤔

Fun observation: for all Ohio State's success as a football program, their NFL success at the position is virtually nonexistent.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Bama wants a piece of that action

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Alabama produced Bart Starr, Ken Stabler, and Joe Namath.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Clearly he didn't learn anything with that spelling and butchering of the English language.

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I wasn't a fan when that UCLA player did it and I'm not now. But not because he owes the coaches or fans anything. It's his teammates he is leaving that bothers me. But as these top 4-8 programs leave everyone else behind in money and recruiting it's going to keep happening.

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Eh, he's leaving at the end of the year and he's not able to play right now anyway. Why delay medical treatment that could help a future paying career just to sit on the sidelines and play cheerleader to a bunch of other guys that would be doing the exact same thing if they were in the situation?

Not according to what I have read. It says he is withdrawing from school now. He isn't delaying medical treatment he just had surgery in Philadelphia for his injury.

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But there's still the recovery aspect. If he stays at OSU, he has to use their doctors/physicians during recovery. If he leaves the school, he can use what ever doctors or recovery centers that he (or his agent) can afford.

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He doesnt though. The surgeon in Philadelphia wasn't an OSU one. His family has the money to pay for outside doctors etc.

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Just b/c his fam has the money doesn't mean they want to spend it if they can get an agent to pay for it. Also, it's not just a surgery, it's the recovery process. He might want a special physical therapy program that his family can't afford.

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Joey's checkbook says hi....

Again... Why have your family pay for it when someone else can?

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To be fair, if your agent pays it'll almost certainly be a loan.

He also has to go to class (yes, yes I know). Now he can focus solely on recovery. I don't think he'd be doing this if he were projected to be a 7th round pick and really needed the tape to get drafted but there's really nothing left for him to prove.

I think you misread my post.

I was saying that Bosa's original plan was to go pro at the end of this season. But he got hurt and is currently unable to play, and likely unable to play for most if not all of the remaining games. So he has two options. One is to carry on as a student and but sit around at practice and games just to be moral support for his team. The other is to get a jump start on the recovery process and focus on his ultimate goal of getting to the NFL.

I think the reality here is that he was most likely not going to be able to play anymore games this year prior to the the bowl season. He had abdominal surgery which is gonna take quite a bit of healing before he can even get back to doing much of anything.
I think people are blowing this out of proportion a bit. His decision was probably more out of not wanting to make up work from classes that he missed and knowing that he would not see the field for the remainder of the regular season.
Its gonna take 6-8 weeks just for the incision and musculature to heal before he can do any activity, then to get back to game shape is gonna take at least 2-3 weeks probably more. But that's just how I see it. I doubt this is how he wanted to do it, but he couldn't play with the injury.

bowel season

Let's not flush this topic so quickly..

Thanks for the proofread, you got me :)

that would really stink

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Urban Meyer is a piece of shit.

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You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

He may have been able to be back for the bowls, and there's a decent chance Ohio State's going to be in the playoffs. So they would miss him if they make it there.

That being said I don't really blame him. He's done enough already to be a high draft pick and the only things that could hurt his stock are a) injury and b) poor play coming back from injury.

the bowel season.

I hear that's a shitty time of year.

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His life and his choice. Luckily for him he has a rich Brother if things do not go as planned. What is going to be bad is when some kid has nothing to fall back on pulls this stunt and then does not get drafted and has nothing to show for it not even a completed free college education. But once again, their decision.

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Well then his rich brother can afford to send him back to college

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It's fascinating to me how anybody can be even remotely against this.

Because he is bailing on his team midseason. Pretty bush league

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Just like that darned Josh Jackson. Unbelievable.

Our JJ? He is injured. I'm not sure I follow your logic.

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Because Bosa is out after having core muscle surgery and there was no certainty that he would even be able to play again this season.

So how is he "bailing"?

While I have no qualms with what Nick did, this is a real dumb comparison.

How did you miss the "/s"? It's right there, clear as day!

Nah, that aint it.

Yes it is.

Sarcasm as in you are trying to make a point against it being a bush league move. Which is sarcasm, but it is a terrible example to use to make that point.

You're right, it isn't a very good comparison. Bosa is a player that got hurt and is looking after his own best interests by focusing 100% on his rehab because he has millions of dollars in future NFL contracts riding on getting healthy. JJ is a player who got injured and will be returning to his team because any shot he has of making millions of dollars in future NFL contracts hinges on his ability to return and play significantly better over the next two seasons.

I think the point he was trying to make was that both players are injured and therefore aren't contributing for their team right now anyway, so Bosa isn't really costing his team much by making this decision.

Which is a bad comparison since one is voluntarily leaving the team (Bosa) and the other isnt (JJ). People that dont like Bosa's choice revolves around his decision to leave OSU and "quit on the team." No one is saying JJ quit on the team.

Literally the first sentence in my post:

You're right, it isn't a very good comparison.

Sorry guys, this was a joke. They're very clearly not the same thing.

We don't need to over-engineer it.

That's fine. I'm just explaining why it is a bad comparison. But it doesn't really matter in the end I guess. I doubt VT is gonna have much of an issue with players leaving in the season for the NFL any time soon lol.

So, what happens if a lot of high profile players sit out the bowl season? Presumably, teams are chosen based on their body of work from the season. If a significant number of players who contributed to the success of the team in the fall sit out, are those teams still worthy of the bowl berth? Could the NCAA come out with a rule about when these announcements could be made to protect the bowl selection process?

No judgement either way, just some thoughts.

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I dunno... I'm just spitballing here....

But maybe allowing players to financially capitalize on their names while these schools are making 7 to 8 figures off them might stem the tide of that a little.

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It's his life and his career. Therefore it's his decision.

I think people that get down on these situations because they are "leaving their team" need to remember that players have a VERY limited opportunity to make a career out of their athletic ability. Nothing and nobody should stand in the way of them pursuing it as they see fit. They don't owe anything to the coach, other players or anyone else. They need to do what's best for them and their family. Be upfront about it. Transparent and mature.

Because ultimately only 1 person is looking out for your own best interests, yourself.

And every decision that impacts their lives outside of choosing a school, is completely out of their control. Choosing when to leave and focus on their ultimate goal (face it, guys like Bosa don't go to a school like anOSU just because it's a life dream to play football there). I'm old school on a lot of things, but I have zero prob with a kid stopping his risk of injury and school requirements, to focus on their dream. I do however feel for them when they choose poorly and don't end up making it past their initial NFL training camp.

...reading between the lines here.

Those kind of decisions will evans-ually catch up to you.

You really have to put your best foot forward when you get your foot in the door at the next level.

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