Thoughts on New VT Parking Rules

For those of you who don't know VT established some pretty strict parking rules this season, all of which can be found Here. These were based upon a survey conducted this off season.

A quick summary of some of the ones I find most impacting:
- New line 3 feet past the end of the parking space which you are not allowed to cross with tailgating equipment (Grill, tent, tables, chairs, etc.)
- No throwing footballs
- No blocking side walks
- No speakers for music

They are invoking a three strike rule for these violations with the ultimate consequence of not being allowed to purchase a parking pass for next season.

Some of my thoughts:
- These were based on a survey and typically only people who have issues will take the time out of their day to respond
- Tailgating is almost as important of an event as the game (especially when you are paying good money to watch an FCS team) and this puts a major damper on the festivities
- It was not equally enforced with the people parked on the handicap row of Lot 2 okay to take up the sidewalk but those on the back edge not allowed to set up on the path.

Whether or not it was right, I let it get to me and it put me in a bad mood for the day. My family has donated a lot of money to VT and have a lot of great memories at VT games and tailgating. However this doesn't inspire us to continue to donate if we are going to have the no fun police coming by and reprimanding us.

Honestly does any other schools have rules making throwing a football illegal at tailgates?!?!

What are your thoughts?

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This must only be being enforced on the lots close to the stadium because all of these rules were being broken in lot 18 this weekend.

It wouldn't surprise me if that was the case since those lots are the ones with the highest amount of older fans who show up right before kickoff.

We park in Lot 2 and saw people walking around writing down tags for violations.

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

I was in Lot 18 and was told repeatedly to move things off the walking path. I wasn't blocking it like an asshole, but obviously some items ended up on the path and they were all over me each time. Was a bit of a bummer.

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My aunt and uncle have had season tickets since early nineties. They told me the blue line enforcement was only for lots 1-5.

This is a bad move by Tech. People pay quite a bit for parking, and it seems like this was done quickly under the table to keep money/donations.

I acknowledge safety aspects for emergency and first responders. There should have been more of a town hall aspect to this than trying to strong arm out of nowhere for game 1.

I mean this wasn't out of nowhere, notices have been going out.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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The communication and implementation was extremely poor. There was no mention of the new parking lines until 9/5 - days before the first game. Even then, it could have worked out okay, except during their internal discussion, nobody thought to measure the lots and see what kind of space people would have based on their agreed upon lane width until after the lines were already painted in several lots. And even then, it could have been corrected if not for the fact that they did this at the last minute, just days before the game and thus didn't have time to fix it.

The fact they sent out another final reminder about the parking lines on Friday evening but didn't mention they knew they were painted incorrectly in some lots is pretty ridiculous. The proper thing to do at that point would be to admit the lines were painted incorrectly and that they would not be enforcing them until the following game, once they had time to correct them. And ask people in the interim to please be courteous and not infringe into other's space or the driving lane. Instead they didn't say anything -- not even to the 3rd party staff they hired to enforce the policies. I am truly at a loss as to what they were thinking.

I love the Hokies and the Hokie Club, but I also won't pull any punches when they mess up, which is definitely what happened here.

This sounds like grouchy old folks got a hold of the rule book. No speakers? God forbid there be noise during the daylight hours?

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

I'm not against speakers but we've had it be so loud before that we shut down our TV, we couldn't hear Gameday.

I'm all about letting the party run but when the rap is so loud we can't hear ourselves speak, it's a bit much.

Just curious, did you ask the people to turn it down and they blew you off? If so that really sucks and I would hope Hokies would treat each other better.

Yes, nicely but I got the stink eye.
So, we drank more beer. But I'm guessing that type of situation that spoiled it.

I am sure this happens a lot and I would think this type of situation would be easy to spot (hear) and could be monitored rather easily instead of banning all speakers. Music adds to the tailgating experience.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

I'm just saying, if they're going this route, then everyone just needs to invest in Pimp My Ride style sound systems for their trunks and then just crank it with the tailgate open.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

People probably already did that, which is why there's a rule now.

Music adds to the tailgating experience.

Well, sometimes it does. I'm not a fan of having my five-year-old with me and someone's blasting songs about sex and heroin. I generally just get him out of situations like that, but there's really no need for it and it doesn't add to the experience IMHO.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

I see both sides, on one hand you want to share something you enjoy with your young family, on the other 18-22 year old students if the university want to drink alcohol, play games, listen to music, and watch other kids beat each other. It would almost be good to have a segregated family lot

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It would be even better if people would just show a little common courtesy in situations like this. Basically, my right to carry on and have a good time ends where yours begins. And while a lot of these "new" rules sound silly, I'm all for the parking lot lines. Last year there was a group that would routinely set up in the aisle between two rows of cars and block the entire lane, and then refuse to move when cars tried to come through. When people insist on being assholes, it puts everyone else in a tough spot. Do I escalate the situation to prove the point, risking a confrontation and even a potential run-in with the cops?

Unfortunately, in the immortal words of Walt Kelly: "We have met the enemy and he is us." There's a reason that the AD felt compelled to do something, even if it's a small minority of fans causing the problem. Also, for what it's worth, I've almost never had an issue with 18-22 year old students who just want to have fun. It's almost always been older fans with a sense of entitlement ("I paid for this spot", etc).

Not attacking you or Hokie2Architect, who made similar points below, just venting. And I'll be the first to admit that I've occasionally been the asshole for one reason or another. I'd like to think the difference is that either I realized it and stopped, or at least listened when someone called me on it.

"Those who jump into the void owe no explanation to those who stand and watch."
--unknown

I agree with this on paper/in theory- BUT, I have met/encountered MANY a tone deaf person at a VT game/parking lot. And most of them are older and easily offended. You are at a major college football game where people pay big money to park and show up 6 hours before kick to tailgate, you are not at a Sunday church bingo fundraiser. You are going to :
1. Hear people say the F word- many times, probably loudly
2. See people grilling on grills behind their cars, and -perhaps- into the driving lanes a little bit.
3. See people drinking alcohol and saying other curse words too- whoa
4. See people rooting for the Hokies and not being thrilled with Miami fan in their face at said tailgate
5. See people that have been there for 6 hours be a bit preplexed at you showing up 15 minutes before kick, honking your horn as they try to pack up their gear so you can park.

If EVERYONE realized where they were and were realistic about it, there wouldn't be any issues. You are going to a major football game in the south folks. Tailgating, Beer, bar be que, burgers, people yelling F Miami in the stands.. don't be tone deaf. Don't go to Franklin BBQ or Hardee's if you are a vegetarian on a diet. Go to a UVA game if you get pissed at tailgaters beer and cursing.

At the very least, if you pay for parking, you should be able to get to your spot. That's the point he was trying to make.

Everyone expects some portion of the fanbase to be boisterous and crude. What we're talking about is people that are acting in a way that can severely inconvenience others (blocking the path in the lot), and then getting pissed off when they then get inconvenienced by someone just trying to go about their day (getting to their spot in the lot).

I totally get where you're coming from on Point #5. It made no sense to me as a student why you wouldn't start tailgating 8 hours before the game, it makes a little more sense now why it would be 2-3 hours, but 15 minutes before the kick has always just perplexed me. We were tailgating at the Penn State game last weekend and it was even worse than it is in some lots at Tech. This family had a great tailgating setup that extended just enough into the aisle that they had to take everything down for a guy to get his S-Class in. I understand that some people just come for the game and don't want to tailgate, but I wish there was a "parking only" lot or something that was open for those that want to pay for an easy-to-get-into lot that doesn't allow tailgating.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Some people work different shifts, some drive from further away.
Everyone's circumstances are different and can change from one game to the next.

I get that. I don't mean to come across as insensitive. That's why there could be a park-only lot if you can't make it in time for tailgating. I've brought my grandfather to games before and not wanting to deal with trying to drive through hoards of people, canopies, and cornhole boards 1-2 hours before kickoff, we parked in one of the $5 church lots.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

And I don't mean to be "That Guy" But I do know a friend that parks in lot 2 because he has a pacemaker and should not walk far.

He is not one of the entitled though, feels bad when he has to arrive late and cause a disturbance in the party.
He jokes and calls it his "disturbance in the Force" arrival. Everyone knows he's trying to get to his spot, is a disturbance, but nobody knows why he's doing it.

It's a complex problem but that's why we are here to discuss it.

Respect. I realize there are all kinds of different circumstances and appreciate a healthy discussion about it. I've been on both sides of the fence with this situation in my own right as I stated previously and certainly see your point.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

I get it, it's a football game, not a church service. I certainly have no issue with having a good time. Or taunting Miami fans. But I'll echo Hokie2Architect below:

for a tailgate environment everyone has to adjust their expectations

This cuts both ways. Yes, people who are easily offended (or have young kids) need to understand the environment and plan accordingly. Either be willing to let some things go, or go somewhere else. But, if you curse a lot (I'm guilty) maybe pay a little attention to your surroundings and tone it down if necessary. Same with music -- you wanna rock out, by all means do. But maybe 2 Live Crew's greatest hits isn't the best choice if you're blasting it across the entire parking lot, ya know?

The one area where I'll draw the line is vehicle access. I don't mind if people encroach a little; we all understand there's not much room, and I'm good as long as I can weave & squeeze through. But when you deliberately block the entire damned lane, I have an issue with it. If you don't have enough room to tailgate behind your car then carry your shit to an open area somewhere else. Don't block the roadway for everyone else. That's just being lazy and selfish.

"Those who jump into the void owe no explanation to those who stand and watch."
--unknown

Nothing gets me pumped for gameday quite as much as the songs about sex and heroin though.

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I've got two kids and I get that, but let's face it, it's a university with drunken college students and fans. they're gonna see and hear stuff they probably shouldn't. instead of unnecessary regulations, use it as a teaching moment about human behavior before, during and after the game, and if it's too bad then it's incumbent upon the parent to remove them from the situation (which it sounds like you do), not the other way around in my opinion. don't regulate the fun out of the gameday experience. and don't get me wrong, i can't stand it when i'm forced to listen to loud music that isn't my own and a genre i don't like, but for a tailgate environment everyone has to adjust their expectations to what that experience is.

LOLUVA is going for it on 4th down again!

My children have never known a day in their lives when VT hasn't owned the commonwealth cup!

Also a parent myself, wouldn't bring her, yet. College football is college football, and tailgating helps the fanbase build its identity. I'm for some rules, have a baseline and all... but if they take this too far this is the beginning of a decline in the VT gameday experience, for sure. I mean, not tossing around a football at a tailgate just sounds weird to say. Basically, if you expect to come to campus and tailgate in the same environment that you'd have on your back porch, then just stay on your back porch.

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I don't want to sound like a jerk, but isn't that why they created family-friendly zones like the Hokie Village? Not everywhere is going to be totally appropriate for a child at all times - and I'm not sure it's fair for everyone else to set the expectation that tailgating next to a stadium for a football game must be.

I went a USC west game when I lived in Cali. They basically have a club atmosphere at their tailgates, you wouldn't survive. LOL.

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I've been. '87 I think. I survived. But then again I wasn't there to talk football.

But this isn't SoCal.

Holly Molly, what the hell were they thinking? The no sidewalk rules is understandable, but no speakers or throwing footballs is insane.

Probably the same older crowd that got rid of "Stick It In" SMDH

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Also probably same crowd that texts the Hokies Respect number to complain about those darn kids standing up blocking their view and cheering too loud.

Y'all keep shaking your puppy heads and bitchin' about the older crowd. Y'know, not all of us were against Stick it In and not all of us sit down the whole game, and it wasn't all that long ago that my elderly ass went long and ended up with a scraped face and busted lip, and yes, I dropped the pass. We partied hard at tailgates and while we didn't listen to music, we always had the pregame show on the radio. I'll admit that standing the entire game gets harder with age for some, but I've never asked someone to sit down at a game and you can't just blame all your tailgate problems on the people who are probably giving a ton to the program, some of them for decades. Enjoy your youth, it will fade and if you're lucky, one day you'll be old and in the damn way yourownselves and maybe you'll know how it feels to be so blithely disrespected by people making blanket statements.

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Oh please. If I had a nickel every time I got lumped into that "smh Millenials" crowd.. We know all about blanket statements bud.

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Yeah but it wasn't him started in on the old folks.

Hey, don't call me bud, bud!

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"smh Millenials"

Hey now, us 80's kids get lumped into the old folks and the millenials.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

AMEN

If I had a nickel every time I got lumped into that "smh Millenials" crowd..."

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Really? I suspect that if you did have that nickel for every time, you'd barely be able to afford one of your regular Starbucks coffees from the proceeds. /s

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

I believe the expression you're looking for is "avocado toast"

Yes, but blanket statements about Millenials are all true, everybody knows that!

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Props to you, but proportionally the older people are more likely to want these regulations than college kids

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In all seriousness, this is possibly true, but it sounds like plenty of folks with issues about kids and drunks and rude behavior have posted and they're not all older people. I know my crowd may not be good indicators of "old people" behavior because of our misspent youths and basic refusal to grow up, so maybe I'm just missing the feelings of solidarity that age seems to be perceived as conferring. To be sure, we're not the "Golden Hokie" crowd, though many of us gave plenty over the years. As for millenials, I don't differentiate amongst the younger crowd so much as lump them into one big category, a blanket category if you will, but I guarantee I've never used the phrase "smh millenials" in my life. Old people don't talk that way. I know that back when I was a regular attendee, we had issues in the parking lots, usually because we would load up a dump truck with a bunch of friends and consequently had to spread out a bit to accommodate the truck, people and tailgate stuff, but I don't recall ever having problems with neighbors about it. I have found friendly behavior seems to beget friendly responses, though, and our crowd is about as friendly as a bunch of folks can be, and we never forget that we are there to get ready for a football game, not just to get drunk and play. We yell as loud or louder at the game as anybody in the stadium, our airplane bottles abound inside, though it's been a long time since we had to carry anyone back to the truck. Anyway, in the end, we're all Hokies, aren't we?

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Okay, I didn't want to go right back to the well, but this was too good to pass up.

...but I guarantee I've never used the phrase "smh millenials" in my life.

Probably because you're old and don't speak the lingo. ;^)

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Yep, you're right, sorta. I definitely understand some of the lingo, but definitely wouldn't be caught dead speaking it. I'd sound like a damn high schooler or something.

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and yes, I dropped the pass

Probably because you are old. ;^)

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Actually it was because I was half drunk and ran into a permanent fixture I'd have seen if I wasn't trying so damn hard to catch that damn ball. Nowadays, I wouldn't even try to run all out for anything short of fear, and yes, it's because I'm growing old, used hard and put up wet. I can still yell, holler and root for the good guys, though.
I can sympathize with all the folks complaining about the rules, no footballs at a football game is incredibly stupid. What are all the kids supposed to do while we're all partying? I'll leave this thread here for good, though. I need a nap.

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I still remember a guy we used to sit next to a decade or so ago. IIRC he was class of '58 or '59? Anyway, he moved around pretty well for a guy his age, and damn if he didn't stand up for a good bit of the game. He also never once complained about people standing when he had to sit. Plus he and his wife had cool stories!

When I get old I wanna be that guy.

"Those who jump into the void owe no explanation to those who stand and watch."
--unknown

This sounds ridiculous. Makes me glad I have a space off-campus.

Amen.

And we have 2 portable toilets for about 100 people as opposed to 4 portable toilets for about 2,000 people!

Because of the survey feedback, we will increase parking lot security and enforce the existing tailgating policy. In an effort to address the issues of parking space infringement and crowds spilling into the roadway, a line will be painted behind each parking spot in lots 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5. We request this line be the extension limit for your tailgate. Encroaching beyond the line will result in an infraction of the tailgating policies. This will ensure that we are keeping the roadway clear for emergency vehicles and that no one gets hit or run over.

In the event that you are in violation of any of the tailgating rules, the following penalties will be enforced:

Tailgating Infraction Penalties

  • 1stoffense, you will receive an oral warning from security personnel. Additionally, an email will be sent to you regarding the violation.
  • 2ndoffense, you will receive another oral warning from security personnel. Additionally, you will receive a letter and a phone call from a Hokie Club representative regarding the violation.
  • 3rdoffense, you will receive a written infraction notice from security personnel. Additionally, you will receive a letter from the Athletics Director and the Hokie Club Executive Director indicating that your parking eligibility has been revoked for the remainder of the 2018 season. Additionally, for the 2019 season, you will not be eligible to purchase a parking pass in Hokie Club donor lots. You would however, be eligible after one year to regain your parking privileges provided you remain in good standing with the Hokie Club.

The no throwing and no music are annoying, but it is nothing compared to what little space you actually have to tailgate now. We are in lot 5 and I don't really like it at all. We had some trucks in our lot that couldn't even put their tailgate down because it would cross the line.

I understand the safety issues and the need to allow emergency vehicles up and down the lots, but I also think they allocated too much room for that lane. There has to be a happy compromise in there somewhere.

  1. Repaint lots that have not been regularly sold out so each space is larger or the space between the rows is larger.
  2. Create a parking only lot near the stadium for those who do not want to tailgate, arrive just before kickoff, but still want to park close to the stadium (generally, your older fans).

I understand the safety issues and the need to allow emergency vehicles up and down the lots, but I also think they allocated too much room for that lane. There has to be a happy compromise in there somewhere.

Agreed I have never seen a situation where people didn't try to help someone get into their spot by moving their stuff or make way for cars to get down the isle. One time though we did still have someone hit our stuff after moving because he didn't listen to us telling him how much room he had...later when he left he hit the car beside him scratching and denting their front bumper.

Create a parking only lot near the stadium for those who do not want to tailgate, arrive just before kickoff, but still want to park close to the stadium (generally, your older fans).

We talked about turning Lot 1 into exactly this.

My Dad parks in lot 1. Honestly the "tailgate line" is sorely needed, at least in that lot. The few times we are a little late getting to the lot (still generally at least 90 minutes before kickoff) just getting to our spot is like pulling teeth. Pull up to a pair of tailgates that each stick almost halfway across the path, wait for 10-15 seconds for someone to notice you're there, wait another couple minutes for 2 of them to pull the tent forward and the other 8 people to move their chairs forward juuuuuuuuuuuuuust enough for you to squeeze through. Repeat about 2-4 times until you're at your spot and find that the people to either side of you have their tents encroaching into your spot to where you can't pull in, much less open the doors.

If you want to plan a huge tailgate in one of the main paved lots, maybe grab a spot near the edge of the lot or buy a second spot to host your tailgating equipment. And I'm not one of the "old fogeys", I (unfortunately) am a "Millennial" (ugh).

Repaint lots that have not been regularly sold out so each space is larger or the space between the rows is larger.

Are there spaces that go unsold in lots 1-5? There's never been a spot available in the two years that I was able to pick from those lots if I wanted to.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

Another point is those lots are used for student and faculty parking on campus. You can't just eliminate spots for more tailgating space 6-7 times a year.

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If history serves as any indicator, it is that Parking Services relishes the ability to take away student parking spots.

there appears to at least be a decent number in lot 5

All donor lots are sold out, there are always some no shows though. Sort of like game tickets.

From what I saw, all of these rules were broken during gameday.

Come to the German Club, we can call it "The Outback" cuz where there's "No Rules. Just Right". Plus we'll have steaks.

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I'll be there for the ND game. On the bball court with those guys.

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I typically grab the front corner right at the stone gateway entrance. I'm in a burgundy Grand Cherokee and we will be raging all day (expecting we're undefeated, have Game Day, and it's a night game since the game will be on NBC?). My friends are bringing a couple of Swiss folks who have never been to America let alone a big time sporting event, so it should be a lot of fun.

Feel free to come by at some point if you'd like, I'd love to meet some of these guys.

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ABC or ESPN since NBC is only ND home games...but yeah, a night game.
I'll see if I can slide over. Staying in a house about 5 from the trail away from the stadium, so prob walking down.

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Might have to look into that for next season because definitely not getting our money's worth right now.

I thought that the German Club changed their rules several years back to only allow its members and guests of those members (i.e. no public entry)? Did that change back at some point?

You have to be on the list in order to be able to pay to get in.

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Based on what I know of the German Club, 'no rules' may be the biggest misnomer of all time

I'm not a member, I have my body call in to vouch for me. Never had any issues there and we've tailgated well and thorough.

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This seems counterproductive to getting new people to donate to the Hokie Club.

Agreed and this seems like it will alienate people more than the restructuring hokie club ranking. That could be seen as a logical progression, outlawing throwing a football is petty BS.

Maybe less people should throw like a LOLUVA quarterback and they wouldn't need the rule.

It's Time to go to Work

Wait... do UVA QBs play drunk?

Actually, that might explain a few things...

It's Time to go to Work

Perfect point. If I'm told when I host my tailgate for the Miami game that I cannot have my single Jambox speaker to play music while I'm cooking brats for my friends, the Hokie Club won't see a dime from me. The school already forfeited all of its future donations from me and many of my friends for how it treats fraternities.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I was surprised to see SX, SAE, and KDR have all gotten the boot and SigEp is a shell of what it used to be

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It's a complete joke.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Who's left? TKE Pike and FIJI? I think they want an excuse to seize oak lane for academic development

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We were in the cage on Saturday. Threw multiple pig spirals and had our speakers turned up. No one said a thing.

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So the no throwing and no speakers rules have actually been in place for at least last three years, they were in the rules I got when I first got a parking pass.

Now to the need for a safety aisle. I'm torn, I've walked through Lot 1 on a Gameday, I could barely walk by all the stuff down the row. No way you are getting a medic down that. However there are options they like most things cost money.

Buying three of these. Mini medics that will fit down a narrower row. Also you can have a hybrid rules. Only chairs allowed in that space something that can be moved easily no grills, tents or tables.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I'll say it, but that's a silly work-around for 6 games a year. Make space, clear a lane, respect what's around you. But I wouldn't expect them to purchase new equipment to be potentially utilized a few times a year to allow people to just do what they want. (Yes, I do get that they could be used at other times. But I also know they have current equipment that can be used for the same exact purpose that doesn't require a new expenditure.)

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They don't as far as I've been told have any "mini" medics for use in public areas. Second there are many uses for them, Richmond Ambulance authority, who that one belongs to uses it to plow ahead of medics in snow and for use along all paths and parks in city.
Here is the thing without a solution that gives access to cars arriving late AND emergency response the rule is going to stay the same.

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I've seen them patrol the lots with something similar to this:

I've seen the State Police and Local PD and Sheriff I can't find Blackburg rescue or VT rescue with one. They have one for field use. Also the advantage to the one I showed was it's fullt enclosed and has heat and AC for the patient.

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There was one driving around lot 5 on Saturday, but didn't get a chance to see who it belonged to. Anyway, the point is that there is *something* small and maneuverable that can be used to get people quickly out of the parking lot and into an ambulance at the lot entrance if necessary.

Which is ok. But a long term solution where you need to take providers, equipment to the scene and the patient out of the scene would be something like that idieally. They also make cheaper ones like you see at NFL games. It just doesn't have the variety of uses like that one.

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access to cars arriving late

I'm not sure if it would be possible for all pass required lots, but maybe divide the lot with specific spots for people that know they'll be arriving late. Especially for the lots immediately surrounding the stadium - hold 25 or so sports in front corners or easily accessible areas for people that know they're not going to tailgate and simply want to park and walk. It would definitely save the hassle of people arriving at 11:30 for a nooner and trying to park in the middle of the chicken hill lot.

Yeah we had no enforcement of the throwing/speakers rules in Lot 9. Though I think those rules had been there in the past too. Saw the lines in the closer lots as we walked to the stadium and have no wish to ever be in those lots.

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1st offense, you will receive an oral warning from security personnel. Additionally, an email will be sent to you regarding the violation.

Really, an email. How old are we?

2nd offense, you will receive another oral warning from security personnel. Additionally, you will receive a letter and a phone call from a Hokie Club representative regarding the violation.

Ok, so for a lot of people, the only time they will actually hear from the Hokie Club over the course of the year is when they're pestering them about violating some archane tailgating policy that is there to reign in the fun.

3rd offense, you will receive a written infraction notice from security personnel. Additionally, you will receive a letter from the Athletics Director and the Hokie Club Executive Director indicating that your parking eligibility has been revoked for the remainder of the 2018 season. Additionally, for the 2019 season, you will not be eligible to purchase a parking pass in Hokie Club donor lots. You would however, be eligible after one year to regain your parking privileges provided you remain in good standing with the Hokie Club.

So the big penalty here is no parking privileges next year. Which means this is only really going to be applied to people who purchase parking passes before the season, as there is about zero chance they'll be able to adequately enforce this for public lots. If anything, this is actively incentivizing people to not work with the Hokie Club for parking next year, and just deal with any of the various off campus lots, where money doesn't go to the Athletic Department, or to the public lots, which will cut down on donation levels.

This doesn't really seem like the most efficient use of our time.

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Really, an email. How old are we?

They're just looking for a paper trail as a form of CYA. It's also there because if you lend someone your pass, you get an email if they break the rules.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

The "no throwing footballs" and "no speakers" rules are not new - they have been in place for over 10 years. They will occasionally send out a note as a reminder but they are rarely, if ever, enforced as they are pretty ludicrous. Just don't bump the bass toooo much and don't hit other fans with your football, and you'll be just fine.

There is no reason they need a 20 foot lane in every aisle. A highway lane is only 12 feet wide and nobody is driving 65mph through the parking lot. They just need to designate each aisle as one way and then they can paint the lane down to about 12-14 feet wide.

They just need to designate each aisle as one way and then they can paint the lane down to about 12-14 feet wide.

Completely agree with this.

Lot 5 was exactly as last year. Everyone takes down the rope that separates the band practice field and the lot and plays cornhole, throws footballs, and uses speakers. The gray line was the only new thing and the light post at the front of our spot almost made that tricky to comply with.

I will argue the other way than most of you. I was trying desperately to get the lawn mowed before the rain came Saturday, so tailgating was out. I headed for Lot 16 after 1. Somebody at the end of one of the rows had set up a large canopy and blocked more than half the opening between the parking areas. Not only had their tent blocked more than a lane of travel, they were standing in the other area trying to block all traffic. They looked offended when I asked them to move so I could park. So there needs to be a limit established for some of the tailgating.

"Move your shit and your kids or I run them all over"

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We park in lot 2. I was told by a police officer that if we got another warning we would lose our spot for next season, for throwing football. All hell has broke loose by throwing football at a football game. These new rules completely changed the atmosphere tailgating and I don't like it.

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Agreed on the atmosphere. Granted it may have been dampened based upon the opponent and possible weather, but most of the conversation was rooted in the disdain for the new rules. Granted maybe we shouldn't have let it affect us as it did, but instead of reminiscing on last week's accomplishment and the game ahead we were only faced with the negative environment created by the rules.

Lot 2 and 5 are going to get to the point that the "hard corps" tailgaters will move to lot 8 or 16 where the spaces arent assigned and there is more room/flexibility. Like redskins games- the real hardcorps dudes with tables, grills, TV's etc park in that public tailgate lot and walk. Because like this new VT rule, the resdkins rule is "the area immediately behind your car" for tailgating.

hardcorps of cadets

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Maybe it's just me being weird, but I feel like police shouldn't be involved in regulating tossing footballs in a parking lot

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Seriously? A Hokie Club rep will call you up and scold you? Are they going to do it in the same call where they ask for money too? Also, what happens if you sell your pass to someone on Craigslist who smuggles in some contraband like a football or a good time?

The write in big bold letters that owner of the pass is responsible for any warnings. So if you sell your pass to someone on Craigslist and they get a warning - according to the rules that warning is on you and not the folks who bought your pass.

someone on Craigslist who smuggles in some contraband like a football or a good time

Got a good chuckle out of that!

Oh in that case I'll never called

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FSU does it correctly. For most of their donor lots, they park first come and head to head rows, so that there is only pedestrian traffic between tents at the back of each car. Perfect for tailgating. No car traffic to deal with and it gives you more space to tailgate. downside is that if you want to tailgate next to a specific friend, etc, they need to drive in right behind you. But lot 14 was off the chain tailgating for the VT game- great experience, no cars trying to get through.

Could you imagine Lot 2 or 5 as first come, first serve? I think a lot of donors would get pretty upset if they no longer were guaranteed a consistent spot. I think it would help with ingress and egress for sure, but having to be told where to park would just piss most people off.

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sure I can imagine it because that Lot at FSU was as high a level if not higher price than lot 5, and nobody complains. The only downside is that a golden hokie parks a little further away in the same lot. Not a big deal.

Yea. I think no matter what they do to change or update parking rules, not everyone is going to be happy about it.

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We've tailgated in Lot 5 for the last couple decades and I've noticed an increase in tension surrounding tailgate territory. I think most people are very accommodating, but occasionally there are some that complain that others are in "their spot" (mostly in the grassy areas). We've actually been harassed over the past few seasons from a group who thinks they are entitled to the 20 yards of grass behind their spot all the way to Southgate drive (enough space for 5-6 tents probably).

I understand the rules around space behind your spot in the middle of the parking lot. Most are common sense, but I think it infringes a bit too much on people's ability to actually tailgate in these lots. I do wish the athletic department would publish clear guidelines about how grassy areas are to be treated (first come, first serve). Moving people's tents is pretty rude, and we've seen it happen numerous times.

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Had a group try to get territorial one time in Lot 5 at their normal season spot during the Spring Game. The freaking Spring Game.

Sounds about right. We've had people put caution tape up around an area that could easily house 6-8 tents. Seems childish and it's usually the older crowd doing it.

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Happy about not throwing footballs. My dad got pegged in the back of the head once. We've had our cars get hit, and had stuff knocked over. Not having to worry about stray projectiles is a great improvement.

Yea, throwing footballs in these lots has always led to cars getting hit (I know I've done it before 🤭)

I can get behind this rule.

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I got downvoted for this? Insert rule breaking outrage.

We were going to tailgate next to Ted in Lot 18 but as we were setting up, they told us to clear the pathway so we had to move further away to setup our kitchen and such under cover in case it rained.

They're slowly turning us into UVA. How long before the silver platters and toothpicks in sausage balls?!

No shinny objects.

We put the K in Kwality

Well, If I wanna wear shorts, I'm gonna wear shorts.

Then you'll have to fight off whatever that attracts on your own.

I'm ok with whatever is attracted by shinny objects.

How do we turn the drill field into an area like the grove at ole miss? Set up / take down logistics would be a bear, but if it's the only place I can set up a shelter or toss a football...

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This would be really cool.

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Would be sweet... would allow people to quickly access the downtown area on gameday as well. I'd love to see that in my lifetime.

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I could see this happening down the line, especially as the parking lots grow more sparse due to more buildings and parking garages.

The Drillfield is probably too large and too far from the stadium, but that field across from Cassell and between Pritchard/AJ/Deet's could work?

They were definitely building something on half that field at one point while I was a freshman(?) there (2011)

just looked at the sat photos, the must have literally just been storing building materials there.

It was fenced in with stuff for the West AJ remodel

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It gets used by local businesses to set up tailgate parties for their customers and employees. I know this because the company that handles our network routing invited some of us to their tailgate for the Clemson game last year.

Yes, that area is usually reserved for commercial/business/public relations/media type setups.

Starting last season, Tech made a deal with "The Tailgate Guys" and gave them that space. They're a 3rd party who basically provide reserved, walk-up tailgates, for a price. It's mostly geared towards organizations and so forth that have a lot of people and don't want to deal with the logistics but open to individuals too. Of course Tech could pull back that space whenever they want.

The biggest problem with the Dietrich/Pritchard space is that unlike the Drillfield, there is nowhere to park nearby if you don't have a parking pass. So would lend to pretty minimalist-style tailgating. On the other hand, there is a large renovation coming to Dietrich Plaza in the near 12-18 months that they want it to be sort of a "spirit center" for campus, so maybe that plays well with that quad also being an open tailgating space.

I wouldn't rule out the Drillfield based on distance though either. A pretty hefty percentage of folks - maybe even the majority - are already tailgating that distance or further. I think the biggest concerns with the Drillfield would be the damage to the grass and the inevitable mess afterwards. There are some upgrades planned to the Drillfield in the next few years (new walkways, rehabbing the grass, some seat walls in the steeper parts on the sides, and a running trail around the perimeter). I know they do RFL on the Drillfield, but doing that type of thing another 6-7 times per year would be rough on the turf.

The more I think about it the more it makes sense. Could you imagine the scene if they set up Gameday overlooking the Drillfield, which was effectively VT's version of The Grove? Could you imagine the scene on the Drillfield for something like last year's Clemson tailgate, or even ND a couple weeks from now? It would be an absolute madhouse for all the right reasons.

I'd even be ok if they outright banned tailgating elsewhere on campus if they opened up the Drillfield for everyone. Keep the road opened for quick loading and unloading, but contain the tailgating itself to that area, and supply us with hundreds of garbage cans to use? That would be a massive hit and would create a reason for people to show up for games, even in the event the team isn't very good. Hell, maybe even put up a big projector screen for people who couldn't get tickets to the game to watch.

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I wouldn't like that because it wouldn't suit some members of my tailgate crew.
I have a friend that tailgates with us that does not like crowds.
My Mom gates with us 1 game a year and she is uncomfortable in chaotic circumstances.
My buddies mom is in treatment for cancer and does not go in the game, she just gates, she would not like the inability to go and sit down in a low stress environment.
I have 2 young girls that would tell me they were uncomfortable with the type of free for all environment would exist there.

I think it would be a great place for the party. I think the party is't for everyone. Open it but don't make it the exclusive place to tailgate.

I agree with this. I think the best course would be to highly, highly encourage tailgating on the Drillfield while still allowing anyone else to tailgate on their own in one of the normal lots. Strictly enforce these tailgating rules in the lots, and go lenient on the Drillfield, and find the happy medium for everyone. Allow those that want to get crazy to still get crazy, and hell, encourage the crazy, but keep it contained so that any major issues can be addressed quickly.

I'm just saying, I like the idea of Drillfield tailgating so much that I would think it would be good even if they went overboard banning everywhere else. I wouldn't like it, but I would like it more than the current setup.

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It would wreck the drill field though

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This. No way does this ever become a thing IMO

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It would be cool if they shut down the street that runs under Torg bridge like they did for gameday

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Fun story about that. Gameday was supposed to be in Miami that week, I think, but was cancelled due to a hurricane. ESPN made a last minute decision to bring everything to VT instead but no one really knew. I was driving BT and heard over the radio "base... Uhhh... There's a house on alumni mall". We had to get detour instructions via radio that day, we usually had plenty of notice.

Gameday was supposed to be in Miami that week, I think, but was cancelled due to a hurricane.

Scheduled to be in Baton Rouge but Hurricane Rita forced the game to delay until Monday, so they came to Blacksburg instead. The whole thing was rushed, but they somehow managed to find the perfect GD setup location in the process.

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Doesn't say anything about throwing lawn darts. I'm good to go.

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The fact is there would not be so many people asking for the rules to be enforced if everybody at the tailgate was as considerate as you make them out to be. I have never seen a real problem with music but drunk people with footballs around park cars is a bad mix. If you need more space, consider the other lots. I always preferred to be somewhere that didn't have ten minute lines to the johnny blue anyway. Be considerate and at least respect the reason for the rules and I'm sure this will blow over.

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Everybody will be fighting over the lower end of lot 18 now just so they can throw a football. Of all the lots, that is probably the best one to throw football in.

The limit on how much space you get behind your spot wouldn't have been necessary if people didn't continually push the limits on how much space they take up. The football rule I'm fine. Depending on where you are there are other spots close to the lot you can throw. The speaker rule I took as being applied more to large sounds systems. Didn't see anyone get reprimanded for one.

I think it could use a little refinement but I'm confident they'll get it right in the long term.

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We're parking in the Lion's Club lot behind the east stands this year and all of those rules were being broken... Glad it's not being enforced everywhere.

A Hokie living in Tennessee.

I have 3 favorite teams. VT, Kentucky, and whoever the hell is playing Tennessee.

I tailgated in the Lions Club lot the past few years, but finally switched this year. I love the location and easy 2 minute walk to the stadium, but they had really started to cram people in the past year or so. Also legit had to wait almost 30 minutes in line for the restroom, as there are just not enough for a lot of that size. Hopefully they improve that moving forward.

The Lions Club lot is not a VT parking lot .. its private and subject to its own rules, not Virginia Tech's

FYI -received this email yesterday from the Hokie Club-

Dear Valued Hokie Club Member,

Thank you for your support of Hokie student athletes through being a 2018 football season ticket holder. We appreciate each and every one of you who came out to Lane Stadium yesterday and hope that you enjoyed our first home game of the 2018 season.

You may have noticed several changes which were made to parking rules for the 2018 season. The Hokie Club staff worked with Athletic Department Operations staff and the Virginia Tech Office of Campus Safety on the determination for painting tailgating "lines" in parking Lots 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5. The changes made were in order to:

1) Make it possible for donors to gain access to their specific, numbered parking space when arriving at various times on game day.

2) Guarantee enough room for entering vehicles (and especially emergency vehicles) to pass through overcrowded traffic ways when necessary, as the safety of our fan base must remain paramount for our department.

3) Ensure a high-quality pre-game tailgating experience continues for all. As it was never the intention of any parties involved to hinder your game day tailgating experience. Hokies are hospitable and world-class tailgaters! Unfortunately, the crowds in the parking lots had just gotten a bit too large and have slowly encroached too far into the "drive ways".

Therefore, this past week, Campus Safety and our Athletics Operations painted the lines at a fire lane width of 20 feet. Once the temporary paint was down in lots 3 & 4, we realized it reduced the tailgating areas more than initially anticipated. As a result, once we noticed the less than ideal situation, we were able to re-paint some of the lots (1,2 & 5) with a fire lane width of 15 feet. We will be re-painting the remaining parking lots to make all of them consistent.

We will continue to review, evaluate and tweak this system for the upcoming East Carolina game and as season progresses, and remain in alignment with necessary safety protocols.

Thank you very much for your patience and understanding. We care greatly about your game day experience and apologize for any tailgating enjoyment we inadvertently took away. Let's try it again next week, as we hope to see you back in Lane Stadium on Saturday when we take on East Carolina! Go Hokies!

Sincerely,

Your Hokie Club Staff - Bill Lansden, David Everett, Terry Bolt, Steve Adams, Matt Goff, Tristan Mulcahy, Andrew Bauschelt, Evan Massengill, Paul Torgersen, Jennifer Skaggs, Brandy Barrow, Shelbylynn Adair, Diana Adkins, Angelique Baldwin, Shendale Simpson and Diane Galinaitis.

Now I'm in Lot 20 and we had no issues but it's also almost never full. I LIKE he idea of the drillfield being a massive tailgate though-but could see them being much stricter on alcohol issues there!

Way to go Bimbo!

nce the temporary paint was down in lots 3 & 4, we realized it reduced the tailgating areas more than initially anticipated. As a result, once we noticed the less than ideal situation, we were able to re-paint some of the lots (1,2 & 5) with a fire lane width of 15 feet.

So are they claiming that Lots 1, 2, & 5 were already at the 15 feet width or they will be revised to the 15 feet width? Because it definitely appeared to be more than 15 feet on Saturday.

Season ticket holder here with a lot 2 pass for the last 5 years. I didn't get to the game this weekend but when I saw this new policy, I had a sense of dread. My only issue is really with the space as it's almost impossible after people get setup to get any vehicular traffic through the shared lane. And if you try to host any more than 5-6 people, forget about it, you'd never stay within their line. My cynical side tells me this is to push tailgating out of the close lots to the paid ones across from Cassell. I think the true solution is the repainting of the lots to get more space.

If this enforcement is as bad as it sounds it could be, I'll happily give up lot #2 to go to one of the lesser patrolled lots with more space. The best tailgates I've been to are in Lot #8 or the visitor lots when the LSU RV nation sets up Tiger Town.

I'm am extremely skeptical there is any possibility they are going to repaint lots 1-5 just for football tailgating. They are typically full of cars for faculty and students during the day so they aren't going to eliminate spaces just for tailgating 6-7 times a year.

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They can put down two sets of lines. White for regular use and yellow or orange for tailgating.

Students (and certain faculty) have enough trouble parking in one set of lines, let's not make it any more complicated for them.

I just upgraded into Lot 5 this year. Sounds like I came to the right place for watching all the built up hate and animosity spill over.

Thank god we have free parking passes in German Club lawn!

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I own a football for one reason: to throw it around at tailgates.

What am I supposed to do now? Go knock on my adult neighbors' doors after work and ask them if they want to go play tackle down at Bobby's? Bobby always had the flattest yard in the neighborhood.

VT sent an email asking for feedback on everyone's game day experience. It can be found here. I gave a long write up about the claustrophobic tailgating conditions but the more people complain about this, the better odds we see some kind of policy change.

Jump in, the waters warm.

I've got a question - are numbered parking spaces new?

Last year I got a parking pass for Lot 20 and there were no numbers (on the pass or the spaces), it was just first come, first serve.

This year I just got a pass for the same lot and it specifies "Space 4"...hoping it's just a numbering system for the passes and the lot itself is still just pick your own adventure.

Some lots have had numbered spots for years, but as far as I'm aware it's mostly the ones closest to the stadium.

I don't know that I've ever been to lot 20, so I can't answer that part of your question.

Yeah as far as I can tell from Google Maps the lots closer have numbers and Lot 20 doesn't, I guess I'm just hoping they haven't added them this year because I liked being able to just go early and pick the best spot.

The fact that the pass has a number and it didn't last year has spooked me though.

The passes always have numbers last two years for which home game it is. So first home game is 1 and so on.

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In lot 5, the "gray line" behind your vehicle's spot where you can't "exceed" to tailgate is 6 inches in some places. - 15 ft. from any curb or other spot. Yes, you have 6 inches to put a tailgate chair and your tent- over your car trunk, I suppose. Or find some grass not by your spot. It's freaking ridiculous the donation needed to get that lot, to have zero tailgate space. And yes, the golf cart folks come by regularly to tell you that your chair leg is outside the line. It's worse than fedex- which I thought I would never see. Their rule is "behind your car"- they dont have a painted line 5 inches from the end of your spot. Garbage.

The fire code and other standards are 20 feet if fire access is needed and 14 feet if it's one way traffic and no fire truck access is needed.

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I understand and respect that, but there has been hard corps tailgating in that Lot for years without gray lines painted behind cars and golf cart enforcement. Nobody wants to block ambulance access or see someone in an emergency. How bout just a little more flexibility?

The issue was it was blocking access. It only takes one idiot in a lot blocking access to cars coming in and emergency vehicles when needed to create the need for this kind of rule.
In a medical emergency means minutes matter having t wait for every tailgate to move their tents, chairs, games setup and cooking setup every 5 feet isn't workable. There is a middle ground here but it's never going back to the way it was because that's not workable.

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What will happen is that the folks that want to tailgate will choose "lesser" parking lots, and give less money accordingly. Which is fine, but I would not be surprised if this "policy" is modified a bit in the future. 6 inches behind your tires is no tailgating at all. Once people realize that, they will park elsewhere and Whit's bottom line will be affected, IMO. So it will be interesting to see.

I don't see the problem... if there are some lots where tailgating can't happen due to safety reasons, then why not move the tailgaters to other lots?

And if the demand for spots in the tailgating lots increases, minimum donation level to get in them will also increase, so I'd expect it to even out over time.

Also, if tailgating is important to you and you want to stay in lot 5, find a HC friend to carpool with and buy 2 spots near each other, one for parking and one for drinking.