I've defended you on this site. I'll show you the link if you want. You're a net negative on this site. Take your style of posting to 247 and TSL where it belongs and we'll both be happier for it.
I get what you are doing but it is honestly better to just not talk about upvotes or downvotes. This was a total trash thread and DC knew exactly what kind of reaction he would get.
I agree. The "bud gets a pass" joke is made in every single thread on TKP and it's a shot at DC every time. I don't agree with him and obviously he is trying to instigate with this post but I'll give him a pass for all the crap he gets.
In isolation this is a fine thing to post. It's fair to point out that the defense played awful in just about every measurable way.
The problem is dcwilson has a reputation for getting a hard on every time the defense underperforms, and he likes throwing it in Bud's face. It almost seems personal.
Conversely, if someone flames, wages a personal attack or doesn't follow the community guidelines, then downvote. Do not downvote for disagreeing with someone's opinion.
Juuuust a bit of a personal attack, don't you think. This is a bit hypocritical.
If my time being a nerd, playing Dungeons and Dragons, have taught me anything, there are rules as written, and rules as intended. I stand with Alum on this one.
dude absolutely noone enjoys anything you have to say. you have an issue. edited. you do sometimes bring up valid points but the offensive and inflammatory manner in which you do it is childish and i'm surprised it has been tolerated this long. you knew what you would get with this post and you got it.
I'm going to leave this thread up because I think it's possible for it to get to -1000 and I can't remember if I I send the vote_differential through the number_format function (e.g. 1000 becomes 1,000.).
The idea that "I had a bad day, so I'm going to tell you what I REALLY think in (a graphic way)..." is usually a bad idea. It makes you look bad, makes us look bad, and doesn't achieve anything. It's the fan equivalent of a personal foul.
I'm in a bad state of mind, but here's what's annoying. DCWilson40 brings up a lot of solid points and makes good arguments. Then he does shit like makes this thread. Everyone is pissed. I'm pissed, you're pissed, Foster is pissed, Gail is pissed. But he had to make this thread. I don't get it. It demeans otherwise valid contributions to the community at the expense of a vent.
But that's the thing. He's not. I know him IRL. He does go on a good rant, but they usually make people laugh because he's just so funny when he starts ranting. It doesn't come across very well through the internet, but it really is amusing to watch at times.
I just wish you guys could ask him how many incompletions Jason David Priestly (answer: negative numbers, I'm sure) had against Tech in his career, and watch him go to town, and then ask him if point differential is a good metric for determining how good a basketball team is. It's a sight to see.
we've got alot of evidence that he is an asshole and very little that he's not. i can usually empathize and understand where people are coming from but this post (and many others) are without a doubt intentionally inflammatory. overall a negative influence imho.
I know him too. Do I think Bud needs to be gone? Of course not. But can I begin to explain how the best in the business allowed his unit to be that historically poorly prepared? Not a flipping clue.
And the part that is the hardest to swallow is that we all are angry, pissed, bewildered, confused, etc... And DC simply expressed that without putting the positive attitude veneer we've all been trying maintain. And he has offered himself up as a target for everyone to vent at. And shoot at him we have.
I think we all should let the rant out our systems and then see what our coaching staff is made of. Because if you think emotions are running high in here...try being in the VT locker room, the film room, and on the practice fields this week. This is a tremendous leadership challenge. Let's see what we do with it.
Yep. Threads should be "does this stimulate interesting discussion or provide information?" rather than "I want to see my opinion/hot take online somewhere."
And who is to judge what is interesting? With the good comes the bad, people are upset, many people said fuck fuck fuck in the game thread, guess they should all be downvoted.
Just gonna leave this here from the Community Guidelines:
As a community, we encourage all thoughts on Virginia Tech athletics, whether they be supportive, critical, or otherwise. However, please keep it respectful, well informed, and refrain from personal attacks towards players and coaches. Criticism for the sake of criticism does not add to the discussion, and neither does rah-rah homerism for the sake of rah-rah homerism.
Concur, but what's up with Jhalf's posts being downvoted?
There's a bit of a lynch mob going on right now, and other people are being caught up in the crossfire without coming anywhere near the Community Guidelines.
Nail on the head. If dc could overcome his own tone and tendency towards snarky replies to being engaged on his points he'd be a quality member of this site.
You don't downvote for opinions, but I don't have a problem with downvoting for an inappropriate display of them.
There's a way to criticize Foster without being an asshat. I mean, we all know Foster has contributed to the success of this program, and I believe most of us would agree that the defense put on a shit show today.
You don't downvote for opinions, but I don't have a problem with downvoting for an inappropriate display of them.
I agree. And there are several of his posts that are worthy of downvoting. But this has gone way beyond Community Guidelines, and there are people DVing for the purpose of banning, and DVing people that are offering legitimate points in appeals for reason. What's inappropriate with what Jhalf is saying? Most of his comments are in the negative. I'm sure mine are trending that way as well. This thread has become a lynch mob, and it's time for it to go.
dc knew exactly what he was doing when he created this thread, he knew the exact reaction he would get. This kind of shitpost did nothing but flame the board, and this onslaught of downvotes is the direct result of it. Sometimes the community just has enough of someone and votes them off the island. He keeps this up, and its going to happen to him. Hell, based on this thread alone, he's halfway there.
Since I did not watch the game at all I am only as frustrated as I am by looking at the final score, and the commentators on another game said that we allowed 632 yards of offense, which they claimed was the most in the Bud Foster era. Whew, given who we have played over the years, that's a pretty shocking stat.
Having said that, and knowing that we have the inside joke that 'Bud Foster gets a pass, and I get that...', this is quite an absurd result. From just looking at the box score, it looks like they were throwing it all over the field all day. We scored 35 points, and if anyone told me we'd have 35 points and Bud, I'd say we probably won. I don't have the stats in front of me, but I'd generally bet that that has nearly always been the case.
This thread is titled poorly and our general demeanor on here needs to be checked, but questioning our defensive performance today is totally fair play.
I don't know if this will help assess just a horrible performance by VT defense, but our LB corps could not bring down their Mack Truck of an RB named Jeremy Cox. He is listed as 6.0' and 235 lbs. That guy ran/bulldozed his way through our D-Line and would routinely drag our LBs across the field for a critical 1st Down.
When we loaded the box to stop the run, ODU's backup QB, yes you read that right, their backup QB, made pass after pass to their tall WRs who seemed to be at least 2-3" taller than our DBs. The two primary WRs who did the most damage are both listed as 6'3" in height. They basically caught everything that came their way. In a word, it was a disaster of a game.
The loss today is on everyone. Yeah, the offense put up a bunch of points and yards, but they also stalled or turned the ball over at a number of critical times. The defense played terribly in all regards, looking lost most of the time. But there were also players absolutely losing their cool and giving away tons of penalty yards.
Plenty of blame to go around, and few excuses among them. Horrible and inexcusable loss, but this one can't be simply chalked up to "Bud Foster is horrible." Every element of our team has blame, and yes, perhaps the defense most of all, but one game doesn't define Bud (despite what DC loves to do to try to make his points).
All I'm saying is there's some level of blame to go around. 4/14 on 3rd down? That left the struggling defense to come back out more times than it should have. Yeah, they put up points and yards, but they also didn't come through in a few spots that really would have given the defense some rest or time on the sideline to regroup.
The defense bears the greatest blame, but it's not 100% on them.
Considering time of possession was in our favor, I can't buy the "defense was tired and needed a rest" argument. We had 600 yards and 35 points on offense. With Bud Foster running the defense, that should be a W every time out. The defense lost this ball game. There's just no other way around that. That said, I want to see what Bud's guys do to Duke this week. If the defense has the Pride I think they do, Duke is in for a looooong night.
All I'm saying is there's some level of blame to go around.
Sure, Football is a team game, but the O would probably get 5% at most of the blame in my book. It's not like they were the reason that LaRussa was carpet bombing our defense and our CBs couldn't stop them.
And sure, O could've come out and scored a TD on EVERY possession they had, but how realistic is that? No team truly does that, and to blame ANY of this garbage dump on the O is incredibly silly. Bottom line Football is a team sport, but let's be honest and call a spade a spade - this is solely on the D. They and Foster need to own up to it and fix it.
And sure, O could've come out and scored a TD on EVERY possession they had, but how realistic is that? No team truly does that, and to blame ANY of this garbage dump on the O is incredibly silly.
I disagree. I think it would have been fully realistic to expect the offense to not punt all game, and score 50+. ODU is BAD. The running game was okay, but JJ was absolutely terrible on Saturday. The O should shoulder plenty of the blame.
I think you'll also find the receiver ran an horrible route on JJ's INT. Jackson throwing picks is so very uncharacteristic, there is almost always some other problem than "JJ blew it."
He's thrown 10 in 16 games played - not really 'uncharacteristic,' especially when you couple that with the fact that most of his passes are within 10 yards of the LOS. To say they're virtually never on him is crazy.
He consistently missed wide open receivers, made terrible reads while running the RPO, was inaccurate, and doesn't feel pressure.
He went 8/16 for 151 yards against a trash opponent. That is not the fault of OL play and receivers dropping balls.
QB play has been the weakest point on the offense thus far this year, and was again on Saturday. At some point you have to call a spade a spade and move on. We'll see what Willis can do.
And yes the very example of Grimsley dropping a SURE touchdown is one of the reasons he's 8/16 for 151 and 9/16 for ~240. That one is entirely on the WR. And the OL not being able to stop a 3 man rush is head scratching for sure, but that's not on Jackson either.
But again, they are not the reason an FCS 2nd string QB had the best game of his life and made Foster have the worst game of his hall of fame career.
So yes, continue to say how this was the O's fault and not the D's. You're full of credibility.
The ODU team I saw wasn't "trash". I do think underestimating them was part of the problem. I saw several decent passes dropped, one a sure touchdown. I also saw some costly penalties (not on JJ).
To watch that game and blame JJ means someone has some serious blinders on.
I know that's a popular opinion, but the guy broke his ankle playing football for VT this week, so I'm willing to cut him a little slack.
Had anybody been able to block Oshane Ximines, maybe the result would have been different. Part of the reason the stats don't look different are penalties that halted drives. That's not on JJ.
But the best answer to what ODU was doing is defending the 15+ yard pass.
Wishing him well from his injury and assessing his playing are two entirely different things. I wish him the best and agree that yes he did indeed break his ankle playing football for VT, but from a on-field performance standpoint there were countless drop backs with excellent protection where he missed a wide open receiver because he wouldn't check to his second read.
He won't be playing this week, and Willis will be in, so there's no point in bashing JJ. Plus, that loss really wasn't on him. If the defense can't stop pass plays, ODU isn't the only team that's going to use them.
ODU scored 28 points in the fourth quarter. That's a problem, regardless of the QB.
One could argue the reason he broke his ankle is that he was stuck having to scramble away from the pass rush because he couldn't look off is primary read.
If the O was firing on 90% of capability and the D was only firing at 15% capability, you still think the O should shoulder plenty of the blame? lol.
That's still the mentality we have here at Tech and it's wrong. When we were winning games and the ACC it doesn't matter if the D had a bad game or a rough outing, we still blamed the O for our loss and gave the D a pass since the D has bailed us out so much.
Now, with the O doing a magnitude of order better than the D, some folks still want the O to shoulder a lot of the blame?!?! That's ridiculous.
If the O was firing on 90% of capability and the D was only firing at 15% capability, you still think the O should shoulder plenty of the blame? lol.
Lets compromise that the O was operating at 80%, W&M is the 100% bar I'll set
NCAA 1-130 Re-Rank 9/24, USA TODAY
ODU # 112 Vs W&M is the closest comparison as FSU is still pretty high at #67
TEAM 16/23 281 passing yards 1 TD 0 INT ---Rated 186
TEAM 46 rushes for 305 yards 7TDs
Vs ODU
TEAM 17/34 282 3TDs 1 INT ---Rated 143
TEAM 49 Rushes for 318yards 2TDs
QBs operating @ 76% of Passer rating
RBs operating @ 104% of yards 30% fewer TDs
Vs an ODU team the offense should be at 95% Conference USA is D-1, but there should not be any real dropoff. For that large of a drop off ~80% they take some of the blame
If nothing else the game plan should have changed to play Big12 style
I'm not following what math you're trying to justify this with. And quite frankly it's completely irrational anyways.
And as I have established before, sure the stats can always be more perfect, but the D was downright shit. And that's where the majority of the blame should be. Not nitpicking because the O didn't put up 52 vs 35 points. You really shouldn't have to against ODU. Technically all you would need is a safety and you should shut them out with a big doughnut if you want to get that technical.
So sure the O could have been more perfect. But no they do not take a majority of the blame. They take very minimal of it, in fact. You're picking at the peas and not seeing the greater shit hole the D was this past game. Gotta open your eyes and see where you're trying to place the blame is not warranted.
I agree, but what's REALLY not acceptable is "pitch and catch" by the other team. That bullshit became predictable and should have cost them at some point.
From just looking at the box score, it looks like they were throwing it all over the field all day.
Unfortunately, that isn't too far from the truth. They picked on our inability to turn the defensive head around on passes and just tore us apart. Every lob was an easy completion.
Our defense was batshit ugly today. It's fair to blame Bud on this one. Our D Line was pushed around and Watts got picked on all night. Ashby missed tackles and Rivers was beaten consistently. It was ugly.
Deleted posts mean deletion of votes cast. The community is rightfully expressing its displeasure at the presentation of this topic and the personal attacks that DC chose to engage in. If I nuke the thread, he gets all his legs back. Despite this particular thread being a 100% Bad LookTM, it's better to leave it and allow the community to judge it and the person who posted it.
I'm kinda surprised you all aren't banning him outright. He's been a dick for a while, and I'm not surprised at all to see this thread tonight. He is shameless in his ability to punch down at the worst times.
Serious question, why do you care about how many legs someone has? It's not like new users can see how many he has. Legs are like points in this game, they don't really matter
The community is rightfully expressing its displeasure at the presentation of this topic and the personal attacks that DC chose to engage in.
Right, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it's starting to go far beyond that when posters like Jhalf are being DVed due solely for calls for a bit of sanity. At this point, it's gone off the rails and should be 86ed.
Maybe we should make a reverse Plaid for comments that go -100. Maybe it's the sad UVA fan or the Zima logo, or we just replace the post with Pat Narduzzi throwing a temper tantrum
Yes. I've gone back and investigated this former poster, and anyone else that even tries to tie what I post to that person (I honestly don't know why) continues to overlook two key points: that guy had the ragingest hard-on for MV5 & the Stick it in chant. I detest the evil twin of MV7 & I continue to forget about stick it in (until someone else brings it up).
I just left the game, had front row seats on the 40 yard line. I was 10 feet behind our players. Our Defense was fighting with each other a lot in the 2nd half. Trevon Hill and LB #38 had to be pulled apart.
Bud Foster didnt come over to the Defense while the D-Line was seated once. I kept waiting for Bud to come over. Ricky Walker, Mihota, Etc would come over to the bench sit down and put thier heads down. ODU just wanted the win more. O-Line couldnt block, D-line couldnt get through ODU and our DBs looked like high schoolers. Tough loss
I thought it was really odd when the broadcast showed that Wiles was over talking to Jackson while the offense was on the field. I was thinking 'dude, shouldn't you be coaching right now?'.
after ODU tied or took the lead in the 4th quarter, CBSSN came back from commercial break with a shot of fuente with his hands on his knees staring at the ground...that did not inspire confidence
I'm a Fuente fan but sometimes I feel like he is way too hands off when facing adversity. IIRC, the 1st half of the Arkansas bowl game kept showing him by himself on the sideline with zero interaction with anybody.
If it wasn't a long pattern of behavior I would agree but this guy has been one of the worst posters on this site for a long time and I know several people are getting more than tired of his crap.
He's angry at us dropping games we shouldn't, really not that surprising. He's clearly passionate, just voicing his frustration in an immature way after years of this happening
But in defense of DC I think a majority of his comments fall well within the guidelines. He doesn't really go off the rails that often. I think this is a bad thread and his comments within are clearly in poor taste. However, by and large he's not a real troll on TKP IMO. I personally don't much care for his material in general because it's soaked in negativity but that's not justification for down votes or banishment. More posts like this, though, and I say he's done.
He's getting downvoted to oblivion because he's long been an asshole on here and people are just fed up with it. He's long had a hard-on for shitting all over Bud Foster whenever possible and then being a complete and utter dick to anyone who find issue with it. This thread was just the culmination of a long, long history of being a dickbag. People are fed up, and its starting to show.
Reads as "man criticizes after poor performances and our community gets upset at his opinion, therefore they violate community guidelines by downvoting for his opinion, let me resort to name calling and stoop to his level"
This. And the fact that this post was downvoted means he's somewhat right. What in the community guidelines calls for Jhalf's post to be downvoted? Not following the general opinion of dcwilson40's worthiness of posting on TKP?
a couple questions and a statement:
1) don't a bunch of people post like ass holes on here and get away with it? seems subjective
2) is he breaking community guidelines?
3) the defense played like shit. the tone of the message is wrong, not the message itself
How can you judge his current motives based on his past? By that logic he's never allowed to voice any negative opinion on tech again. Isn't that pretty strict censorship?
Because while plenty of us have been assholes at times on here, rarely does anyone throw gasoline on the fire just to watch it engulf a thread like dc.
I think DC made a thread after a loss last year to GT talking about the defense cost us the game but Bud gets a pass because everyone blames the offense.
DC got ripped to shreds and "bud gets a pass" joke is now in every thread as a shot at DC.
This post is DC giving everyone the finger and the downvotes are an overreaction to it. We got embarrassed and everyone is just pissed.
This is the outworking of a community which for the most part cant disagree with someone without being dismissive and condescending. Sometimes I feel like I'm reading the comments on a Wapo article.
100%. I see a lot of $&);:)holes posting on here using punk talk and filth in the launguage who need to grow up and act like grown men! You don't need to use words filled with filth and fowlness to get your point across. I see quite a few on TKP and posting on this thread that if you removed the garbage punk words you seem to have to always use for some reason to express your self you couldn't communicate but yet no one on here calls you out for the way you express your opinion and your garbage mouth words you seem to have to use to make yourself sound tough or 10 foot tall behind your keyboard. Wether you like it or not. DC expressed his opinion as many of you do and yet several of the same posters who express their opinions about his post after the way our defense played today want to be the pot that calls the kettle black! Really. On every forum I have ever been on in my 64 years there are always a few that get a pass and are never called out like your trying to do this member. If your one of those and I see quiet a few on TKP. Your a hypocrite and you need to grow up and clean up your act and get the board out of your own eyes before trying to remove the splinter from someone you don't like and agree with. As men we can always express ourselves without all the punkish filth I see in some of you get a pass types trying to remove those splinters. Enough said.
This isn't a kid we're discussing. He's an adult and he's getting exactly what he wants.
Most of us throwing hissyfits do so in currently open posts. We don't hold the community hostage by doing this- and both tantrums and legitimate meltdowns are rightly downvoted on their merit.
DC creates brand new topics solely for the sake of bringing unnecessary, focused attention to his tantrum.
You're conflating two very different things. Saying "fuck" is well within bounds. Saying "fuck you" is not. People don't tend to downvote because of just profanity (thankfully for me), they downvote personal attacks and trolling.
This is kind of impressive. dcwilson40 has burned through almost 600 turkeys legs since this was posted. This almost deserves some kind of negative plaid.
our defense played like shit. I think we can legit ask questions about why that happened. our offense also played like shit for stretches. fair to question why that happened as well
The offense was terrible. The defense was terrible. I don't think there is some magical nugget that will unlock the mystery of how dreadful this performance was in all facets.
It looked like VT was lethargic and unprepared, and Old Dominion looked significantly bigger, stronger, and more well prepared than in any tape I saw of them earlier this season. I can't reconcile how poor the tackling was. I can't reconcile the game plan and the lack of adjustments (especially the lack of screens on run downs.) I can't reconcile Josh Jackson not recognizing coverages and taking advantage when coverages dictated clear reads. I can't reconcile fans celebrating his injury. I just... want a redo.
All the legs for French! I fully agree with everything you said. I mentioned in the Venting Thread that it looked like VT came into the game expecting to win only because of the opponent and forgot that in order to win a game they actually have to play.
Farley missed so many tackles. JJ can't do a simple progression to his 2nd option. In a year where the offense was supposed to carry the defense, it's pretty clear the offense hasn't progressed at all.
It FELT like Foster was trying to make a point about something. I only managed to watch the 4th quarter, and couldn't understand why he wouldn't get out of single coverage. Again, I didn't watch the first, second, or third quarter so mayhaps this was his final answer...
But they just tossed it up into single coverage down the field and that was it. Secondary couldn't cover anyone down the field, but never saw any adjustments. If I can stomach it, I'll have to watch the game and see what transpired over the 4 quarters.
Tossing it up in single coverage was essentially their offense the whole game. I think we batted it down once, maybe twice, and he was off-target once, maybe twice.
So just extrapolate what you saw in the 4th over the other 3 Qs.
Felt like Deablo being out caused shuffling that definitely hurt us. Ladler was in coverage way more than I wanted and against guys with a serious size advantage. Also Farley has a long way to go.
They played a bunch of Cover 4 and zone in the first half, and the interior guys constantly were busting. Then whenever the corners were isolated, ODU would check to a 50/50 fade route and the corners only won those battles two times I can recall all day. The back five couldn't execute. ODU stayed on the field on 3rd down and everyone else was worn down.
It will require a second look, but I thought Dax had some stick when he came in, and Rivers was being overpowered so often. That was a change. I didn't understand why the DT rotation seemed to be Walker-Hewitt-Burke. I rarely saw Mihota and never saw Porcher. Belmar played little. Debose played less. I didn't see Garbutt at all.
In the secondary, I don't know what they could have changed personnel wise. Hunter was a disaster in zone coverage, so Bud just moved him into the box. That basically took away any opportunity to disguise anything and exposed everyone. With Deablo hurt, the only change would have been replacing Hunter with Crossen, or Rodgers at FS and moving Ladler back to whip.
I recall a game when Bud said postgame the secondary was "a cluster". This was it all over.
They put their #1 receiver in the slot numerous times in the second half and Ladler got torched. This D has so many issues we better be ready to score 50 a game to win
I feel that as the game went on the D went for the strip more than the tackle, which lead to missed tackles a lot in the game. Am I believing that I saw this happen or did anyone else notice this too?
Is it just me, but Devn Hunter has not looked good so far. I dont know if 'his head is tying up his feet', I dont know but Ladler looked significantly better in the first two games...until this game.
Hes still young, he has time to turn it on. On a scale from Kendall Fuller to Holland Fisher I am hoping by the end of his career hes closer to the Kendall Fuller side...
I realize dcwilson40 has a long history of making inflammatory posts and comments, and his bad reputation is well earned. He also seems to have a bizarre and very specific ax to grind when it comes to Bud Foster.
But if a Tech fan was ever going to choose a time to criticize Foster, this certainly would be that time. Despite the desire to blame this loss on the whole team, this one is going to get hung on the defense. Losing to ODU and having them drop almost half a hundred points on us is a straight up humiliation, there's no other word for it.
At this point, we have to just hope that our defensive woes are fixable, and that the rest of the teams on the schedule won't be able to exploit them like ODU did.
His ax is really that in many (most) cases, when the D clearly has done the worse job, he's shouted down by a faction who believes no negative about Bud can be spoken. Usually it's along the lines of "the offense couldn't stay on the field, they were gassed" ...it really is that simple. He's not a believer in our offense or defensive leadership being so amazing when they turn in eggs like that.
Fallacy of recency? Maybe. But we pull one or 2 of these inexplicable face plants every decade.
It's not always this big of a loss but we've had some pretty smaller big losses
In 2017 it was a GT team that finished 5-6
In 2016 it was Syracuse that was 4-8, 'cuse scored 31 points on us, they scored 33 points against a Notre Dame team that finished 4-8
also in 2016 Tennessee, more big due location rivalry and TN isnt gud 2015 and 2014. ECU loses on the exact same offense. Pitt a 6-6 team beat us but thats kinda acceptable The Crown Jewel of them all The one I wont forget
Sat, Nov 16 2013 vs Maryland L 27-24 OT
How is that any different from all the other comments on here telling him to "go fuck yourself", "get the fuck off this website", "go away asshole", "fuck you", etc that are getting upvoted to oblivion?
I am not saying they are OK, but when no one is commenting under those saying its not ok to say that and they are all green for being upvoted, I would argue people aren't thinking that at all
You can criticize Foster, fine. But to do it in the immature, obnoxious way that dcwilson40 has been doing is not acceptable. This is the result of that kind of behavior. The community here has said that is not acceptable and to stop and he keeps at it.
DC I'm sorry for cussing you out but we're just tired of you bitching about the defense all the time I know bud has he's flaws but he has done a lot of good stuff for our defense and our program
Here's some of the good things Bud Foster has done for the program. And by good, I mean basically making the program elite for about two decades:
--From 2004 to 2007, Virginia Tech ranked #4, #1, #1 and #4 in total defense in the country, respectively. If VT had finished ranked #1 in 2007, it would have been the first time in NCAA history a team had been #1 three years in a row. That's seems pretty good.
--Under Foster, VT has ranked # 1 in the country in scoring defense twice (1999, 2006), #2 in the country three times (2001, 2004, 2005), #3 once (2007), #4 twice (1998, 2017). Oh, and five other times in the top 10 since 1995 (1995, 1996, 2008, 2009, 2011) ! And three more in the top 15 (1997, 2013, 2014)!!
Bud has good day and bad days. So do the players. No different than anyone else on here.
We all know damn well Bud ain't gonna fold and field crap defense the rest of the year. Seen him bounce back strong far too many times. He has some good kids with talent...they will get back on track.
I'll be the first to admit there is some group think on this website but dude. Politely. Coming from drunk me who has had some serious low lights on this site. Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Bud is the reason we are where we are. Does he deserve criticism for this? Sure. But literally outside of bama every team has a bad day at the office
Hate to bring other teams into this but I'm literally speaking from the heart here, Wisconsin is the model of consistency and just lost to byu. It fucking happens. Fuck off with your bud foster hate. The dude has produced the best defenses in the country year after year. And if you want him gone have fun trying to produce a mediocre defense with subpar pieces.
This is a flame out thread and I'm sick of this shit, it seems like the bad parts of 247 and whatever else have fallen onto tkp, it really upsets me because we used to have a rational group of people on here but in this day in age it doesnt seem like we can handle the slightest bit of controversy on a young team.
Am I disappointed? Absolutely. I fucking live in Norfolk. Am I demanding us to fire every coach? No. Well learn from this, we will grow from this. Fuente is a great coach and this will be a tremendous growing pain for this young team. Just hope we get to see more qp3 as a result
Was tailgating during the entire Tech-ODU game, so I couldn't really keep tabs on how the game was going or how everyone was handling it. Glad to see it's going well.
Our secondary performed pitifully, but I am not sure that is entirely on Bud. Had they bothered to turn around, they would have had so many ints. They didn't play the ball at all
Fireman, this is a good topic to discuss. Bud has certainly been successful and forgot more last night than I ever knew. These guys are young and if they keep chugging and keep their heads straight gradually they will mature into a crew that makes last year's four new NFL'ers pale in comparison. That said, I sometimes question what he does and think it's interesting to note that Tech's all-time interception leader, (an average talent and I'm sorry guy) Gene Bunn at 18 picks, is from the 70's, a time when a lot of teams we faced were wishbone/veer and I-formation run-heavy teams. So how was it possible for Bunn to rack up so many interceptions? In my opinion, it's because that's what he was taught to do - go for the ball - and he did it well. Buddy Bennett who ran Jimmy Sharp's defense came to Blacksburg after stints at East Tennessee and U of Tennessee (where one of his teams racked up something like 36 interceptions in a 10 game season {don't hold me to that number}). That was then and this is now and one could argue that, well, Tech's D's back then were crap, and I'd argue, hold on, not necessarily so. If you think our offenses have seen some underproductive times in this decade, go back to then and you might find that our D's were pretty damn good and the only thing that made us somewhat competitive in that era.
Bud is a super DC in my opinion. But I cringe when I see these young guys getting picked on by big, talented receivers who have a QB who can put it up in a spot that makes it difficult for them to defend. Bennett would not have stood for it and never played his average talent DB's that way. This defensive backfield has some raw talent and I have no doubt that Bud will challenge himself and them to get better at what they want to do. In two years time we will know. -- Sorry if I'm a bit all over the place on this rare recent post. Those who follow this more closely probably have more astute observations.
Late to the party, OP has been banished to the phantom zone, but here's my take. Bud Foster's defensive scheme is designed to do two things: disrupt the running game by channeling the ball carrier to the unblocked defender, and disrupt the passing game by using a variety of disguised coverages and pressuring the QB to make bad decisions. Against ODU, our unblocked defender couldn't tackle their linebacker of a running back, and their QB didn't make mistakes under pressure. Our defensive backfield also didn't win their one on one matchups. Basically, the defense accomplished nothing Foster's scheme is designed to do. Bud's a great defensive coordinator, but if you don't tick off the checklist of things a defense has to do to make his scheme work, the results are going to be disastrous. Against ODU, the defense looked as bad as I thought it might with all the youth we're fielding.
With the tackling that we saw and the CB's seeming to never look for the ball, scheme doesn't matter. The team was not ready to play this game. It's not only on the coaches, but the players too.
Note that the O isn't innocent in all of this. The D needed the O, to win a shoot out and to give them a chance to rest and recover. Of the 16 possessions, 9 were 5 plays or less and only two of those were scoring drives. This isn't a D from the TT days that can handle more snaps than the O and still pull out a W.
Don't expect to see our CBs turn for the ball in man coverage more often. They haven't been taught to do that for years. It's been a consistent feature of both our best and worst defenses recently.
Thank you for posting this. All the coaches were warning of this as well. "We've gotten away with some stuff and haven't paid for it yet. We need to get that cleaned up". (As close to memory as I could on the quote.)
After both wins, they were happy for the results but very tepid on praise while saying repeatedly that there were lots of things to fix.
I don't blame the loss on anyone. ODU played well, we played young. We knew it was going to happen, we just did not expect it from ODU.
I know what does not help the team though. "Fans" turning their backs on a group that absolutely wanted to have a better product. Hopefully they can learn what it takes to get that.
I disagree, but to an EXTENT. The talent differential is enormous. We want to be a top tier program, and we did something a top tier program doesn't do (or does so often, they don't even remember it). And we did it 3 times in 8 years. We lost to G5 (or worse) programs. We scheduled a series to show off in our recruiting hot bed and instead we shat the bed. And all this time, we're lauding ODU for a great performance, just as they invite our recruiting rivals to hold camp in the wake.
The fans get to be aggravated. And hell yes, if they decide to flip off the TV next week, I wouldn't blame them.
We complain about not being coastal favorites, and how the U isn't back. In the mean time, we choke in the spotlight most of the time, and every so often, we're choking against teams that benefit from us beating up on them (either monetarily or just simply sharing the spotlight).
And instead of people being offended that we aren't "big dogs", maybe we should be playing like it more often.
I've seen enough tech games that were head scratchers on defense to be able to say this: there is more to this game than Fosters traditional hiccups on his aggressive play. What im used to seeing is a few big breakaway plays that wind up costing us the game because our O couldn't cut it. The rest of the time stifling or decent overall. The way this game felt to me is that these players walked out there wiTh some internal issues going on as well as a sense of entitlement and got hit in the mouth. I don't know how else to put it.
Bud has always been my favorite coach at tech through all the years and I'll cheer my boys on. They'll grow up this is a young team and I'm glad they got a learning experience they won't forget.
I really hope this doesn't fuck us in the 757 for recruiting...that's really my biggest thing I fear
Bingo. This is why our defense can never stop a great quarterback even if we do stop the run. Almost always we are able to stop one or the other which makes it easier to handle the other facet of the offense. Generally the other facet is the quarterback game.
A few times each decade we may face a truly great QB. There is nothing we can do against these rare qbs, even if we make them one dimensional on offense. They are able to make reads before the snap, and can put every throw on target in the only spot available to throw to even when we know exactly what they will be doing. They never are rattled. Two examples are Aaron Rodgers and Andrew Luck. The good part is these QBs are few and far between. Usually we are able to rattle most QBs with quick pressure and disguised coverage.
Honestly the guy generally has some really interesting points some views I wouldn't even consider and normally adds a lot to the conversation. Then goes out and does this kinda stuff.
Sidenote my TKP pickem entry name (GTPassPlay) isn't even relevant without DC
I don't disagree with the sentiment that dc has an interesting way of looking at things, but when it came to things like the GT passing stuff he's just looking for an opportunity to throw it in your face when a result seems to validate his viewpoint instead of making good faith arguments.
Not that it matters because we should still win, but:
Is it out of the question to believe ODU prepped for this game since the off season started in December, skated through the first few games of the season and accepted the losses while they were reviewing film on us, knew they would play their back up the entire time, and just went all in on this game?
I feel like beating VT and sacrificing 3 games early in the season would be well worth the upset.
No way they would willingly sacrifice 2 conference games if they thought they were good enough to beat a top-20 team. For them, winning the CUSA championship would mean a lot more for their program than merely getting a single upset win that either (a) looks like a fluke because they're not even a top-100 team and we recover and do decent things this season, or (b) loses its luster because it was merely the first time the true quality of our team this season was exposed. Only time will tell.
The biggest moment in the history of Old Dominion just happened tonight
Not so fast my friend. Even Coach Wilder called it the biggest thing to happen to the university. Not just the FB program, or even Athletic dept, but the whole University. So sacrificing three games to get the Big win is not out of the question.
There is a great twitter thread that I can't find now of course. It details gritty's journey on drugs from one muppet character to another to finally him.
At first I was so-so with the new mascot, but looking at more information about it and thinking how the Flyers are and how they play, I love it. I won't change my TKP profile pic, but I made the mascot my profile pic on Discord though.
I spent longer than i care to admit looking for this gif when we had the clickbait threads but it seems that the popular gif hosting sites have taken it down
Bud is a great coach but with this much youth and all the recruiting failures, this is the stuff that will happen.
We needed our front 4 to get more pressure so that we could drop more in coverage to make-up for the youth in the secondary. We couldn't generate it. We lost a lot of one on one battles that we shouldn't have.
We need to land some better recruits to make plays when we need them. To make plays that the scheme alone doesn't set them up for. Otherwise we have to wait until our recruits are coached up and bulked up in their senior year before they can start doing that kind of stuff.
I'll play devils advocate...our secondary got toasted several times last night including several near touchdowns. Dukes WRs catch those bombs it's suddenly a very different game. However I was excited to see Bud mix things up with a man front every now and then on passing downs
Honestly, I saw 2 more instances where the defense could've nabbed 2 more pics. The 1st was in the 2nd qtr when (don't remember the name) nearly (& would've) came down with it had one of his fellow teammates not ran into him trying to get it also. That really pissed me off. Just let your teammate come down with it & keep the opposing team's players off of him.
The second was by Devine Deablo. Nearly had a pic in the 3rd. Other than that, & a few misses, I'd say DBU asserted itself quite well last evening.
Overheard as Duke assistant coaches took elevator down from press box: "Guys, they stopped the run with a three-man front." #Hokies— David Teel (@DavidTeelatDP) September 30, 2018
in the best interest of this site and not ostracizing a fellow Hokie i think this thread should be deleted. what is left to gain by continuing this thread? Hokies seem to be back on track lets put this behind us and focus on making Lane absolutely deafening next Saturday.
i think if you review my comments you'll see i very much agree, but it's time to move on. we've had a week to vent and i don't see any purpose in dragging this on. at the end of the day this site is for hokies to come together, not to shit on eachother. this entire thread has been a cancer to the site and doesn't need to continue.
Statistical Prediction
Given the last two Virginia Tech games, it feels like anything is possible this season. Book is mobile enough to cause problems, but then again a Hokies' 3-man front stymied a capable Duke air attack. This game could easily go off the rails, but I don't think it does. I believe the Duke wine is more representative of the Hokies than that other game we won't talk about.
Were talking about a defense that has like 5 upper class man I don't know what you want out of the defense their trying their asses off they are just young
Comments
You are an angry little man.
This is probably gonna get deleted.
When HokieMacGruber26 is the voice of reason, you done fucked up son.
Edit: We did it boys! My first plaid comment.
LMAO! WAY TO GO!!!
Couldn't have done it without you.
Go away you asshole.
Shut the fuck up DC I hope you get bannedhammered I'm tired of your bullshit on here
Here, here! This troll needs to be put in timeout.
No, he needs to be GONE. Period.
Bite me bitch... go snuggle up to Bud
Dude you are the biggest piece on this website get the fuck off of this website right now
I bet Bud would be a fine snuggler.
Who amongst us wouldn't snuggle this man?
And that late 70s early 80s pornstache. What reasonable person WOULDN'T go crazy over it??
Maybe not tonight though, huh?
Yeah, tonight would not be good timing.
We're not your BUD, Palsy!
Agreed
Awww poor baby
I can't give this enough legs
This doesn't undo the last 21 years.
Nope it just exposes our soft sorry defense that odu kicked up and down the field all day. Awesome
Calm your tits
I hope you finally get canned for this.
That's what I thought.. excuses. You troll
The irony of this ^^^ response
I've defended you on this site. I'll show you the link if you want. You're a net negative on this site. Take your style of posting to 247 and TSL where it belongs and we'll both be happier for it.
Hey Guitarman *nudge nudge wink wink*
Wish I had that power.
I wish you did, too.
You can still Mod downvote each comment to help, though!
I'm working on it. Those that deserve it are getting hit.
Dag nabbit, I tried guys
Liberty somehow managed to hold them under 700 yards of offense.
This post. This is a legit point, delivered with only slight snark. What in this post is deserving of downvoting?
People are headhunting here, this is getting a bit ridiculous.
My impression is that he'd already used up all of his snark allowance.
What metric is used to track snark? ;^)
(Really I'm just asking because the thought amused me, but I can't come up with any good suggestions right now.)
I get what you are doing but it is honestly better to just not talk about upvotes or downvotes. This was a total trash thread and DC knew exactly what kind of reaction he would get.
I agree. The "bud gets a pass" joke is made in every single thread on TKP and it's a shot at DC every time. I don't agree with him and obviously he is trying to instigate with this post but I'll give him a pass for all the crap he gets.
In isolation this is a fine thing to post. It's fair to point out that the defense played awful in just about every measurable way.
The problem is dcwilson has a reputation for getting a hard on every time the defense underperforms, and he likes throwing it in Bud's face. It almost seems personal.
100% spot on. Bud was a bitch. No answer at all.
Love the Archer reference
We just gave up 49 points and 600 yards ti a team that got blown out by liberty
Yep but Fencer's feelings are hurt
I guarantee you're much more upset than I am if you bothered to make this thread.
Dude, go fuck yourself
Why? Because odu kicked our ass? Because bud Foster couldn't force a punt after the 1st quarter? Boo hoo
Keep commenting dude.... please.
Yeah, at an average of -15 legs per post and counting DC Wilson only needs 97.3 more posts to get hit with the ban hammer
And this post.
Juuuust a bit of a personal attack, don't you think. This is a bit hypocritical.
If my time being a nerd, playing Dungeons and Dragons, have taught me anything, there are rules as written, and rules as intended. I stand with Alum on this one.
This disappoints me. "My time being a nerd"? You're always a nerd. Like being a Hokie, there are no former nerds. Embrace your nerdity, son. ;^)
dude absolutely noone enjoys anything you have to say. you have an issue.edited. you do sometimes bring up valid points but the offensive and inflammatory manner in which you do it is childish and i'm surprised it has been tolerated this long. you knew what you would get with this post and you got it.I'm going to leave this thread up because I think it's possible for it to get to -1000 and I can't remember if I I send the vote_differential through the number_format function (e.g. 1000 becomes 1,000.).
You heard him folks, let's make it happen!
As fun as that sounds, it's still not a good look.
Neither is losing to ODU.
Let us let humor get us through this.
So do we downvote every single comment even if we like it?
WHO'D Y'ALL VOTE FOR
Who the fuck cares about 'the look' of an emotional post after
OUR FOOTBALL TEAM JUST LOST TO FUCKING ODU.
It doesn't matter.
We should always care about how we behave.
The idea that "I had a bad day, so I'm going to tell you what I REALLY think in (a graphic way)..." is usually a bad idea. It makes you look bad, makes us look bad, and doesn't achieve anything. It's the fan equivalent of a personal foul.
Can I retitle it to "Internet Tough Guy Say Mean Things About a Guy Who Could Destroy Him in Every Possible Way," please?
Finally, something that made me smile.
I'm in a bad state of mind, but here's what's annoying. DCWilson40 brings up a lot of solid points and makes good arguments. Then he does shit like makes this thread. Everyone is pissed. I'm pissed, you're pissed, Foster is pissed, Gail is pissed. But he had to make this thread. I don't get it. It demeans otherwise valid contributions to the community at the expense of a vent.
It is pretty simple. He is an asshole. No need to over think this. Angry little shits like him do this.
But that's the thing. He's not. I know him IRL. He does go on a good rant, but they usually make people laugh because he's just so funny when he starts ranting. It doesn't come across very well through the internet, but it really is amusing to watch at times.
I just wish you guys could ask him how many incompletions
JasonDavid Priestly (answer: negative numbers, I'm sure) had against Tech in his career, and watch him go to town, and then ask him if point differential is a good metric for determining how good a basketball team is. It's a sight to see.Jsaon preistly you say?
we've got alot of evidence that he is an asshole and very little that he's not. i can usually empathize and understand where people are coming from but this post (and many others) are without a doubt intentionally inflammatory. overall a negative influence imho.
I know him too. Do I think Bud needs to be gone? Of course not. But can I begin to explain how the best in the business allowed his unit to be that historically poorly prepared? Not a flipping clue.
And the part that is the hardest to swallow is that we all are angry, pissed, bewildered, confused, etc... And DC simply expressed that without putting the positive attitude veneer we've all been trying maintain. And he has offered himself up as a target for everyone to vent at. And shoot at him we have.
I think we all should let the rant out our systems and then see what our coaching staff is made of. Because if you think emotions are running high in here...try being in the VT locker room, the film room, and on the practice fields this week. This is a tremendous leadership challenge. Let's see what we do with it.
Yep. Threads should be "does this stimulate interesting discussion or provide information?" rather than "I want to see my opinion/hot take online somewhere."
And who is to judge what is interesting? With the good comes the bad, people are upset, many people said fuck fuck fuck in the game thread, guess they should all be downvoted.
Get over yourselves
Just gonna leave this here from the Community Guidelines:
Concur, but what's up with Jhalf's posts being downvoted?
There's a bit of a lynch mob going on right now, and other people are being caught up in the crossfire without coming anywhere near the Community Guidelines.
This thread has gone waaay off the rails.
This thread was off the rails when it started.
Casey Jones! Choo Choo!
Okay, point. Right now, then, it's...uhhh.....more off the rails? Further? Offer the rails?
Nail on the head. If dc could overcome his own tone and tendency towards snarky replies to being engaged on his points he'd be a quality member of this site.
Would he be who he is without these types of threads? He's obviously valuable
He just said bud Foster sucks, we aren't supposed to downvote for opinions
You don't downvote for opinions, but I don't have a problem with downvoting for an inappropriate display of them.
There's a way to criticize Foster without being an asshat. I mean, we all know Foster has contributed to the success of this program, and I believe most of us would agree that the defense put on a shit show today.
I agree. And there are several of his posts that are worthy of downvoting. But this has gone way beyond Community Guidelines, and there are people DVing for the purpose of banning, and DVing people that are offering legitimate points in appeals for reason. What's inappropriate with what Jhalf is saying? Most of his comments are in the negative. I'm sure mine are trending that way as well. This thread has become a lynch mob, and it's time for it to go.
I think you are stirring the pot more so than settling it. I agree with you, but it isn't the best time to look for the best in posters.
Fair point. I'm just not one to sit on the sidelines, though, when a friend is getting railroaded, even if they were being a jerk.
dc knew exactly what he was doing when he created this thread, he knew the exact reaction he would get. This kind of shitpost did nothing but flame the board, and this onslaught of downvotes is the direct result of it. Sometimes the community just has enough of someone and votes them off the island. He keeps this up, and its going to happen to him. Hell, based on this thread alone, he's halfway there.
Well, he (Bud) did today, it seems.
Just put him in the penalty box for a few days to cool off. Way too many people out for blood imo
This.
Every community needs its Heel. DC is providing a valuable service. Because every frustrated soul on the site is getting it out here.
Please do
You forgot the clickbaity
"CLICK HERE TO LEARN HOW HE DOES IT!"
this isn't the game thread...?
Is it ok if I (or someone else) creates a thread encouraging the community to come over to this thread & downvote it?
If I'm using DE-DE regional settings, will it appear as 1.000?
That's funny, but IM(ns)HO, not a good reason to keep up a thread that has gone way off the rails towards a lynch mob.
YOU CAN DO IT!!!
Since I did not watch the game at all I am only as frustrated as I am by looking at the final score, and the commentators on another game said that we allowed 632 yards of offense, which they claimed was the most in the Bud Foster era. Whew, given who we have played over the years, that's a pretty shocking stat.
Having said that, and knowing that we have the inside joke that 'Bud Foster gets a pass, and I get that...', this is quite an absurd result. From just looking at the box score, it looks like they were throwing it all over the field all day. We scored 35 points, and if anyone told me we'd have 35 points and Bud, I'd say we probably won. I don't have the stats in front of me, but I'd generally bet that that has nearly always been the case.
This thread is titled poorly and our general demeanor on here needs to be checked, but questioning our defensive performance today is totally fair play.
I had to scroll way to far down to see this
The defense was bad and did lose the game, yet we cant blame that
i stopped reading the game thread but it wouldn't surprise me if people are still blaming JJ. the internet, what a wonderful place!
I don't know if this will help assess just a horrible performance by VT defense, but our LB corps could not bring down their Mack Truck of an RB named Jeremy Cox. He is listed as 6.0' and 235 lbs. That guy ran/bulldozed his way through our D-Line and would routinely drag our LBs across the field for a critical 1st Down.
When we loaded the box to stop the run, ODU's backup QB, yes you read that right, their backup QB, made pass after pass to their tall WRs who seemed to be at least 2-3" taller than our DBs. The two primary WRs who did the most damage are both listed as 6'3" in height. They basically caught everything that came their way. In a word, it was a disaster of a game.
To be fair their backup was way better than their starter
To be fair, their backup was way better than our starters.
I disagree with the tone of the headline and the name calling, but I think it's indisputable that the defense played horribly today.
I think it's more the tone and pointed negativity that's the problem.
Nobody here (or anywhere else) thinks the defense played well today.
And that's what differentiates you and I from our resident rageposters.
The loss today is on everyone. Yeah, the offense put up a bunch of points and yards, but they also stalled or turned the ball over at a number of critical times. The defense played terribly in all regards, looking lost most of the time. But there were also players absolutely losing their cool and giving away tons of penalty yards.
Plenty of blame to go around, and few excuses among them. Horrible and inexcusable loss, but this one can't be simply chalked up to "Bud Foster is horrible." Every element of our team has blame, and yes, perhaps the defense most of all, but one game doesn't define Bud (despite what DC loves to do to try to make his points).
I honestly don't know how you can blame this on the offense. They actually kept us in this fight. Defense let us down.
All I'm saying is there's some level of blame to go around. 4/14 on 3rd down? That left the struggling defense to come back out more times than it should have. Yeah, they put up points and yards, but they also didn't come through in a few spots that really would have given the defense some rest or time on the sideline to regroup.
The defense bears the greatest blame, but it's not 100% on them.
Considering time of possession was in our favor, I can't buy the "defense was tired and needed a rest" argument. We had 600 yards and 35 points on offense. With Bud Foster running the defense, that should be a W every time out. The defense lost this ball game. There's just no other way around that. That said, I want to see what Bud's guys do to Duke this week. If the defense has the Pride I think they do, Duke is in for a looooong night.
Sure, Football is a team game, but the O would probably get 5% at most of the blame in my book. It's not like they were the reason that LaRussa was carpet bombing our defense and our CBs couldn't stop them.
And sure, O could've come out and scored a TD on EVERY possession they had, but how realistic is that? No team truly does that, and to blame ANY of this garbage dump on the O is incredibly silly. Bottom line Football is a team sport, but let's be honest and call a spade a spade - this is solely on the D. They and Foster need to own up to it and fix it.
I disagree. I think it would have been fully realistic to expect the offense to not punt all game, and score 50+. ODU is BAD. The running game was okay, but JJ was absolutely terrible on Saturday. The O should shoulder plenty of the blame.
Part of JJ's problem were:
a) offensive line, and
b) receivers dropping decent passes.
JJ had an interception, but it was only because the defense was leaking like a sieve that ODU got points from that.
That loss was on the whole team, sure, but our defense could not stop ODU.
I think you'll also find the receiver ran an horrible route on JJ's INT. Jackson throwing picks is so very uncharacteristic, there is almost always some other problem than "JJ blew it."
He's thrown 10 in 16 games played - not really 'uncharacteristic,' especially when you couple that with the fact that most of his passes are within 10 yards of the LOS. To say they're virtually never on him is crazy.
He consistently missed wide open receivers, made terrible reads while running the RPO, was inaccurate, and doesn't feel pressure.
He went 8/16 for 151 yards against a trash opponent. That is not the fault of OL play and receivers dropping balls.
QB play has been the weakest point on the offense thus far this year, and was again on Saturday. At some point you have to call a spade a spade and move on. We'll see what Willis can do.
oh so now all of a sudden stats matter?
And yes the very example of Grimsley dropping a SURE touchdown is one of the reasons he's 8/16 for 151 and 9/16 for ~240. That one is entirely on the WR. And the OL not being able to stop a 3 man rush is head scratching for sure, but that's not on Jackson either.
But again, they are not the reason an FCS 2nd string QB had the best game of his life and made Foster have the worst game of his hall of fame career.
So yes, continue to say how this was the O's fault and not the D's. You're full of credibility.
The ODU team I saw wasn't "trash". I do think underestimating them was part of the problem. I saw several decent passes dropped, one a sure touchdown. I also saw some costly penalties (not on JJ).
To watch that game and blame JJ means someone has some serious blinders on.
We're not going to agree here so we can leave it. JJ (among others) was god awful on Saturday, and hasn't been impressive all season.
JJ wasn't the reason we lost that game.
Towatching that gameand blameyou'd think JJmeans someone hashad some serious blinders on.There we go.
I know that's a popular opinion, but the guy broke his ankle playing football for VT this week, so I'm willing to cut him a little slack.
Had anybody been able to block Oshane Ximines, maybe the result would have been different. Part of the reason the stats don't look different are penalties that halted drives. That's not on JJ.
But the best answer to what ODU was doing is defending the 15+ yard pass.
Wishing him well from his injury and assessing his playing are two entirely different things. I wish him the best and agree that yes he did indeed break his ankle playing football for VT, but from a on-field performance standpoint there were countless drop backs with excellent protection where he missed a wide open receiver because he wouldn't check to his second read.
I'm just saying I don't like the piling on.
He won't be playing this week, and Willis will be in, so there's no point in bashing JJ. Plus, that loss really wasn't on him. If the defense can't stop pass plays, ODU isn't the only team that's going to use them.
ODU scored 28 points in the fourth quarter. That's a problem, regardless of the QB.
One could argue the reason he broke his ankle is that he was stuck having to scramble away from the pass rush because he couldn't look off is primary read.
That's a.....
Lmao wtf
If the O was firing on 90% of capability and the D was only firing at 15% capability, you still think the O should shoulder plenty of the blame? lol.
That's still the mentality we have here at Tech and it's wrong. When we were winning games and the ACC it doesn't matter if the D had a bad game or a rough outing, we still blamed the O for our loss and gave the D a pass since the D has bailed us out so much.
Now, with the O doing a magnitude of order better than the D, some folks still want the O to shoulder a lot of the blame?!?! That's ridiculous.
Lets compromise that the O was operating at 80%, W&M is the 100% bar I'll set
Vs an ODU team the offense should be at 95% Conference USA is D-1, but there should not be any real dropoff. For that large of a drop off ~80% they take some of the blame
If nothing else the game plan should have changed to play Big12 style
I'm not following what math you're trying to justify this with. And quite frankly it's completely irrational anyways.
And as I have established before, sure the stats can always be more perfect, but the D was downright shit. And that's where the majority of the blame should be. Not nitpicking because the O didn't put up 52 vs 35 points. You really shouldn't have to against ODU. Technically all you would need is a safety and you should shut them out with a big doughnut if you want to get that technical.
So sure the O could have been more perfect. But no they do not take a majority of the blame. They take very minimal of it, in fact. You're picking at the peas and not seeing the greater shit hole the D was this past game. Gotta open your eyes and see where you're trying to place the blame is not warranted.
35 points on offense against ODU should have been enough.
VT has an entire history of winning games with very little offense.
While there are certainly things to fix on the offense, the defense needs a makeover this week.
While it might have been enough, its not acceptable
I agree, but what's REALLY not acceptable is "pitch and catch" by the other team. That bullshit became predictable and should have cost them at some point.
Unfortunately, that isn't too far from the truth. They picked on our inability to turn the defensive head around on passes and just tore us apart. Every lob was an easy completion.
This ^! I dont get why more teams dont try this against.
Rest assured, more teams will try this against us from here on out.
And Bud could have easily put us in 2 deep but he refused to adapt (something he's normally great at), and they absolutely killed us because of t
Our defense was batshit ugly today. It's fair to blame Bud on this one. Our D Line was pushed around and Watts got picked on all night. Ashby missed tackles and Rivers was beaten consistently. It was ugly.
In Joel's prediction of Offense scoring 38 points was pretty close to being right....what wasnt right was the Defense....so...
I'm amazed this post is still here. Gonna call it a night, but odds have be less than 20% it's here in the morning.
Deleted posts mean deletion of votes cast. The community is rightfully expressing its displeasure at the presentation of this topic and the personal attacks that DC chose to engage in. If I nuke the thread, he gets all his legs back. Despite this particular thread being a 100% Bad LookTM, it's better to leave it and allow the community to judge it and the person who posted it.
So the goal of this thread is to vote dcwilson40 off the island? Got it.
If that's the goal, we all should be getting some down votes. Only in math do 2 negatives equal a positive. Not here.
I'm kinda surprised you all aren't banning him outright. He's been a dick for a while, and I'm not surprised at all to see this thread tonight. He is shameless in his ability to punch down at the worst times.
I don't see him as being as bad as Bender, so he should earn his banhammer rather than just getting banned outright.
Oh, he's earned it.
Serious question, why do you care about how many legs someone has? It's not like new users can see how many he has. Legs are like points in this game, they don't really matter
if your total leg count goes to -25 or less you're effectively banned by the community
Damn, he's really being a hero then
Against the face of all odds
Legs determine a member's ability to post.
We should get rid of the "can't downvote someone's opinion rule" then. It's compeltely subjective. Just ban cuss words and skeptism
I'm skeptical of this
Can a mod tell me why this was downvoted? It's just my opinion, and I regularly contribute here. Was just trying to offer up an improvement.
Isn't downvoting this against community guidelines?
Eh.
I've been upvoting where you're playing peacemaker but as Cnote91 said, emotions are high right now.
Props to you and Little Bobby Tables for providing some balance here.
You want to ban people for being skeptical
Right, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it's starting to go far beyond that when posters like Jhalf are being DVed due solely for calls for a bit of sanity. At this point, it's gone off the rails and should be 86ed.
I'm just here to downvote dcwilson40
Thanks for making me laugh.
This is what Twitter is for, and why I'm not on Twitter. This has no purpose.
Twitter? Slowly I turn...
You ever have just the worst day of work ever?
Maybe we should make a reverse Plaid for comments that go -100. Maybe it's the sad UVA fan or the Zima logo, or we just replace the post with Pat Narduzzi throwing a temper tantrum
Honestly, I've wondered on multiple occasions if he's a legit Hokie fan or just a Hoo posing as one. He definitely reminds me of another VERY ex-TKPer
He's a legit Hokie fan. Nobody goes through four years of the VTCC without loving the Hokies.
This^. I went through it with him and can vouch for his love of the Hokies.
does he now? funny... your account wasn't even around at that time.
stay macgruber man. you're MUCH better as macgruber, but lets not extend the illusion too far ;)
Yes. I've gone back and investigated this former poster, and anyone else that even tries to tie what I post to that person (I honestly don't know why) continues to overlook two key points: that guy had the ragingest hard-on for MV5 & the Stick it in chant. I detest the evil twin of MV7 & I continue to forget about stick it in (until someone else brings it up).
I just left the game, had front row seats on the 40 yard line. I was 10 feet behind our players. Our Defense was fighting with each other a lot in the 2nd half. Trevon Hill and LB #38 had to be pulled apart.
Bud Foster didnt come over to the Defense while the D-Line was seated once. I kept waiting for Bud to come over. Ricky Walker, Mihota, Etc would come over to the bench sit down and put thier heads down. ODU just wanted the win more. O-Line couldnt block, D-line couldnt get through ODU and our DBs looked like high schoolers. Tough loss
I thought it was really odd when the broadcast showed that Wiles was over talking to Jackson while the offense was on the field. I was thinking 'dude, shouldn't you be coaching right now?'.
This actually deserves a thread as it might provide some worthwhile discussion (hopefully from others who were also close by).
I almost went to this game... so glad I didn't.
after ODU tied or took the lead in the 4th quarter, CBSSN came back from commercial break with a shot of fuente with his hands on his knees staring at the ground...that did not inspire confidence
I'm a Fuente fan but sometimes I feel like he is way too hands off when facing adversity. IIRC, the 1st half of the Arkansas bowl game kept showing him by himself on the sideline with zero interaction with anybody.
Looked to me almost like he was puking. A perfectly reasonable response to seeing what his team was doing.
Hey folks, I get that dc is a bit outta line here, and I agree, so I downvoted the topic and a couple (but not all) dc's posts.
But do we have to slander this much? Calling for the banhammer? Let's take a break.
If it wasn't a long pattern of behavior I would agree but this guy has been one of the worst posters on this site for a long time and I know several people are getting more than tired of his crap.
He singlehandley contributed more to the tech fan base than the very players did today. Think about that
Yeah, no.
No what? At least he's passionate
He's an asshole. That's not passion.
He's angry at us dropping games we shouldn't, really not that surprising. He's clearly passionate, just voicing his frustration in an immature way after years of this happening
He needs to grow the fuck up.
If the intent on here is to ban someone from the site by accumulating a great enough number of down votes, then we all need to grow up.
this is one of the stupidest fucking things i've read in my life.
I really can't believe I'm about to say this...
But in defense of DC I think a majority of his comments fall well within the guidelines. He doesn't really go off the rails that often. I think this is a bad thread and his comments within are clearly in poor taste. However, by and large he's not a real troll on TKP IMO. I personally don't much care for his material in general because it's soaked in negativity but that's not justification for down votes or banishment. More posts like this, though, and I say he's done.
This!
I agree with you except his posts don't embody what it means to be a Hokie.
Isn't that an opinion? How can you even say what it means to be a hokie? Where is it clearly defined?
We all have weird fans.
I'll add to that asking when HokieBen2010 became the arbiter of which comments embody what it means to be a Hokie?
I AM!
i have a theory about why all the down votes, but at the risk of riling the up the mob i'll just say:
people need a scapegoat and place to put anger
He's getting downvoted to oblivion because he's long been an asshole on here and people are just fed up with it. He's long had a hard-on for shitting all over Bud Foster whenever possible and then being a complete and utter dick to anyone who find issue with it. This thread was just the culmination of a long, long history of being a dickbag. People are fed up, and its starting to show.
Reads as "man criticizes after poor performances and our community gets upset at his opinion, therefore they violate community guidelines by downvoting for his opinion, let me resort to name calling and stoop to his level"
This. And the fact that this post was downvoted means he's somewhat right. What in the community guidelines calls for Jhalf's post to be downvoted? Not following the general opinion of dcwilson40's worthiness of posting on TKP?
This. He has a serious history of shitposting and I think it's run its course.
a couple questions and a statement:
1) don't a bunch of people post like ass holes on here and get away with it? seems subjective
2) is he breaking community guidelines?
3) the defense played like shit. the tone of the message is wrong, not the message itself
Great message!
From the CGs
As has been said before, based on his history, this entire thread was an attempt at flaming the board. Per the CGs, downvote away
How can you judge his current motives based on his past? By that logic he's never allowed to voice any negative opinion on tech again. Isn't that pretty strict censorship?
Because while plenty of us have been assholes at times on here, rarely does anyone throw gasoline on the fire just to watch it engulf a thread like dc.
Not taking anything away from this, don't know his history (I'm a bad tkper), just trying to provide another perspective
Seems if people really hated him they would just not comment on his threads and downvote immediately and he'd be banned
I think DC made a thread after a loss last year to GT talking about the defense cost us the game but Bud gets a pass because everyone blames the offense.
DC got ripped to shreds and "bud gets a pass" joke is now in every thread as a shot at DC.
This post is DC giving everyone the finger and the downvotes are an overreaction to it. We got embarrassed and everyone is just pissed.
This is the outworking of a community which for the most part cant disagree with someone without being dismissive and condescending. Sometimes I feel like I'm reading the comments on a Wapo article.
100%. I see a lot of $&);:)holes posting on here using punk talk and filth in the launguage who need to grow up and act like grown men! You don't need to use words filled with filth and fowlness to get your point across. I see quite a few on TKP and posting on this thread that if you removed the garbage punk words you seem to have to always use for some reason to express your self you couldn't communicate but yet no one on here calls you out for the way you express your opinion and your garbage mouth words you seem to have to use to make yourself sound tough or 10 foot tall behind your keyboard. Wether you like it or not. DC expressed his opinion as many of you do and yet several of the same posters who express their opinions about his post after the way our defense played today want to be the pot that calls the kettle black! Really. On every forum I have ever been on in my 64 years there are always a few that get a pass and are never called out like your trying to do this member. If your one of those and I see quiet a few on TKP. Your a hypocrite and you need to grow up and clean up your act and get the board out of your own eyes before trying to remove the splinter from someone you don't like and agree with. As men we can always express ourselves without all the punkish filth I see in some of you get a pass types trying to remove those splinters. Enough said.
Seriously though, I understand your point.
This isn't a kid we're discussing. He's an adult and he's getting exactly what he wants.
Most of us throwing hissyfits do so in currently open posts. We don't hold the community hostage by doing this- and both tantrums and legitimate meltdowns are rightly downvoted on their merit.
DC creates brand new topics solely for the sake of bringing unnecessary, focused attention to his tantrum.
By all counts, he is having great success.
You're conflating two very different things. Saying "fuck" is well within bounds. Saying "fuck you" is not. People don't tend to downvote because of just profanity (thankfully for me), they downvote personal attacks and trolling.
I'm glad I read far enough into this stupid thread to see the phrase "garbage mouth words". That has made it all worth it.
This is kind of impressive. dcwilson40 has burned through almost 600 turkeys legs since this was posted. This almost deserves some kind of negative plaid.
I didn't think he would be able to exceed the 341 down votes he tallied re: the OSU game ... I was wrong!
Ah the memories...
our defense played like shit. I think we can legit ask questions about why that happened. our offense also played like shit for stretches. fair to question why that happened as well
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Lucky you..... We need Rails, Car Bombs, and straight Everclear....
25 Busch lights deep?
Just check the internet, you're definitely still sober.
You missed nothing, wasknick.
DILLY DILLY!
You mean apart from beer?
this whole thread:
The offense was terrible. The defense was terrible. I don't think there is some magical nugget that will unlock the mystery of how dreadful this performance was in all facets.
It looked like VT was lethargic and unprepared, and Old Dominion looked significantly bigger, stronger, and more well prepared than in any tape I saw of them earlier this season. I can't reconcile how poor the tackling was. I can't reconcile the game plan and the lack of adjustments (especially the lack of screens on run downs.) I can't reconcile Josh Jackson not recognizing coverages and taking advantage when coverages dictated clear reads. I can't reconcile fans celebrating his injury. I just... want a redo.
Wait, he was injured? Crap, I really need to go read a game summary....and then go take a shower.
Yeah, he was on crutches and in a big boot. I am afraid he broke or tore something.
How to write a critical post, an example.
All the legs for French! I fully agree with everything you said. I mentioned in the Venting Thread that it looked like VT came into the game expecting to win only because of the opponent and forgot that in order to win a game they actually have to play.
I agree I want a do-over too.
Farley missed so many tackles. JJ can't do a simple progression to his 2nd option. In a year where the offense was supposed to carry the defense, it's pretty clear the offense hasn't progressed at all.
It FELT like Foster was trying to make a point about something. I only managed to watch the 4th quarter, and couldn't understand why he wouldn't get out of single coverage. Again, I didn't watch the first, second, or third quarter so mayhaps this was his final answer...
But they just tossed it up into single coverage down the field and that was it. Secondary couldn't cover anyone down the field, but never saw any adjustments. If I can stomach it, I'll have to watch the game and see what transpired over the 4 quarters.
Tossing it up in single coverage was essentially their offense the whole game. I think we batted it down once, maybe twice, and he was off-target once, maybe twice.
So just extrapolate what you saw in the 4th over the other 3 Qs.
Felt like Deablo being out caused shuffling that definitely hurt us. Ladler was in coverage way more than I wanted and against guys with a serious size advantage. Also Farley has a long way to go.
It's called the ECU Shane Carden plan. And it works.
They played a bunch of Cover 4 and zone in the first half, and the interior guys constantly were busting. Then whenever the corners were isolated, ODU would check to a 50/50 fade route and the corners only won those battles two times I can recall all day. The back five couldn't execute. ODU stayed on the field on 3rd down and everyone else was worn down.
It will require a second look, but I thought Dax had some stick when he came in, and Rivers was being overpowered so often. That was a change. I didn't understand why the DT rotation seemed to be Walker-Hewitt-Burke. I rarely saw Mihota and never saw Porcher. Belmar played little. Debose played less. I didn't see Garbutt at all.
In the secondary, I don't know what they could have changed personnel wise. Hunter was a disaster in zone coverage, so Bud just moved him into the box. That basically took away any opportunity to disguise anything and exposed everyone. With Deablo hurt, the only change would have been replacing Hunter with Crossen, or Rodgers at FS and moving Ladler back to whip.
I don't know. I just don't know.
I recall a game when Bud said postgame the secondary was "a cluster". This was it all over.
They put their #1 receiver in the slot numerous times in the second half and Ladler got torched. This D has so many issues we better be ready to score 50 a game to win
I feel that as the game went on the D went for the strip more than the tackle, which lead to missed tackles a lot in the game. Am I believing that I saw this happen or did anyone else notice this too?
Is it just me, but Devn Hunter has not looked good so far. I dont know if 'his head is tying up his feet', I dont know but Ladler looked significantly better in the first two games...until this game.
Hes still young, he has time to turn it on. On a scale from Kendall Fuller to Holland Fisher I am hoping by the end of his career hes closer to the Kendall Fuller side...
I realize dcwilson40 has a long history of making inflammatory posts and comments, and his bad reputation is well earned. He also seems to have a bizarre and very specific ax to grind when it comes to Bud Foster.
But if a Tech fan was ever going to choose a time to criticize Foster, this certainly would be that time. Despite the desire to blame this loss on the whole team, this one is going to get hung on the defense. Losing to ODU and having them drop almost half a hundred points on us is a straight up humiliation, there's no other word for it.
At this point, we have to just hope that our defensive woes are fixable, and that the rest of the teams on the schedule won't be able to exploit them like ODU did.
His ax is really that in many (most) cases, when the D clearly has done the worse job, he's shouted down by a faction who believes no negative about Bud can be spoken. Usually it's along the lines of "the offense couldn't stay on the field, they were gassed" ...it really is that simple. He's not a believer in our offense or defensive leadership being so amazing when they turn in eggs like that.
Fallacy of recency? Maybe. But we pull one or 2 of these inexplicable face plants every decade.
It's not always this big of a loss but we've had some pretty smaller big losses
In 2017 it was a GT team that finished 5-6
In 2016 it was Syracuse that was 4-8, 'cuse scored 31 points on us, they scored 33 points against a Notre Dame team that finished 4-8
also in 2016 Tennessee, more big due location rivalry and TN isnt gud
2015 and 2014. ECU loses on the exact same offense. Pitt a 6-6 team beat us but thats kinda acceptable
The Crown Jewel of them all
The one I wont forget
Sat, Nov 16 2013 vs Maryland L 27-24 OT
My summation of dcwilson40
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This isn't ok either.
How is that any different from all the other comments on here telling him to "go fuck yourself", "get the fuck off this website", "go away asshole", "fuck you", etc that are getting upvoted to oblivion?
Because it's a gif in this post?
Maybe you're missing that those aren't OK, either.
I am not saying they are OK, but when no one is commenting under those saying its not ok to say that and they are all green for being upvoted, I would argue people aren't thinking that at all
You can criticize Foster, fine. But to do it in the immature, obnoxious way that dcwilson40 has been doing is not acceptable. This is the result of that kind of behavior. The community here has said that is not acceptable and to stop and he keeps at it.
DC I'm sorry for cussing you out but we're just tired of you bitching about the defense all the time I know bud has he's flaws but he has done a lot of good stuff for our defense and our program
Here's some of the good things Bud Foster has done for the program. And by good, I mean basically making the program elite for about two decades:
--From 2004 to 2007, Virginia Tech ranked #4, #1, #1 and #4 in total defense in the country, respectively. If VT had finished ranked #1 in 2007, it would have been the first time in NCAA history a team had been #1 three years in a row. That's seems pretty good.
--Under Foster, VT has ranked # 1 in the country in scoring defense twice (1999, 2006), #2 in the country three times (2001, 2004, 2005), #3 once (2007), #4 twice (1998, 2017). Oh, and five other times in the top 10 since 1995 (1995, 1996, 2008, 2009, 2011) ! And three more in the top 15 (1997, 2013, 2014)!!
Defense wins Championships
Anything before 2008 now is best left for the history books. 2007 was a good year for VT but it was also a good year for Halo 3.
From 2008 to now what has the defense done. We were better than, equal to and now worse than Clemson
What do these two guys want, this is what Hokies wanted and what we should want
Dabo came in with a team in about the same spot as VT i think
While we were living on hype and the demanding to stay in state. Clemson was always getting better.
Dabo 10 years coaching Clemson, 6 ACC Championship Games, 4 ACC championships, 3 Playoff Berths, 2 Championship Game, 1 National Championship Trophy
I can't wait to read the full post mortem on this game and how it's setback the team and the fan base. /s
Bud has good day and bad days. So do the players. No different than anyone else on here.
We all know damn well Bud ain't gonna fold and field crap defense the rest of the year. Seen him bounce back strong far too many times. He has some good kids with talent...they will get back on track.
I'll be the first to admit there is some group think on this website but dude. Politely. Coming from drunk me who has had some serious low lights on this site. Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Bud is the reason we are where we are. Does he deserve criticism for this? Sure. But literally outside of bama every team has a bad day at the office
Hate to bring other teams into this but I'm literally speaking from the heart here, Wisconsin is the model of consistency and just lost to byu. It fucking happens. Fuck off with your bud foster hate. The dude has produced the best defenses in the country year after year. And if you want him gone have fun trying to produce a mediocre defense with subpar pieces.
This is a flame out thread and I'm sick of this shit, it seems like the bad parts of 247 and whatever else have fallen onto tkp, it really upsets me because we used to have a rational group of people on here but in this day in age it doesnt seem like we can handle the slightest bit of controversy on a young team.
Am I disappointed? Absolutely. I fucking live in Norfolk. Am I demanding us to fire every coach? No. Well learn from this, we will grow from this. Fuente is a great coach and this will be a tremendous growing pain for this young team. Just hope we get to see more qp3 as a result
Was tailgating during the entire Tech-ODU game, so I couldn't really keep tabs on how the game was going or how everyone was handling it. Glad to see it's going well.
Our secondary performed pitifully, but I am not sure that is entirely on Bud. Had they bothered to turn around, they would have had so many ints. They didn't play the ball at all
Because that's how Bud has taught it since beginning of his time. It's worked to make Tech DBU.
Fireman, this is a good topic to discuss. Bud has certainly been successful and forgot more last night than I ever knew. These guys are young and if they keep chugging and keep their heads straight gradually they will mature into a crew that makes last year's four new NFL'ers pale in comparison. That said, I sometimes question what he does and think it's interesting to note that Tech's all-time interception leader, (an average talent and I'm sorry guy) Gene Bunn at 18 picks, is from the 70's, a time when a lot of teams we faced were wishbone/veer and I-formation run-heavy teams. So how was it possible for Bunn to rack up so many interceptions? In my opinion, it's because that's what he was taught to do - go for the ball - and he did it well. Buddy Bennett who ran Jimmy Sharp's defense came to Blacksburg after stints at East Tennessee and U of Tennessee (where one of his teams racked up something like 36 interceptions in a 10 game season {don't hold me to that number}). That was then and this is now and one could argue that, well, Tech's D's back then were crap, and I'd argue, hold on, not necessarily so. If you think our offenses have seen some underproductive times in this decade, go back to then and you might find that our D's were pretty damn good and the only thing that made us somewhat competitive in that era.
Bud is a super DC in my opinion. But I cringe when I see these young guys getting picked on by big, talented receivers who have a QB who can put it up in a spot that makes it difficult for them to defend. Bennett would not have stood for it and never played his average talent DB's that way. This defensive backfield has some raw talent and I have no doubt that Bud will challenge himself and them to get better at what they want to do. In two years time we will know. -- Sorry if I'm a bit all over the place on this rare recent post. Those who follow this more closely probably have more astute observations.
Man, this shitshow of a thread was what i need today. Quality entertainment. Never change TKP, never change.
I respect you but I will downvote you (just kidding... I gave you a leg! This has been fun to read).
I know I resisted initially, but now I see that while this wasn't the thread we deserved, maybe it was the thread we needed right now.
Late to the party, OP has been banished to the phantom zone, but here's my take. Bud Foster's defensive scheme is designed to do two things: disrupt the running game by channeling the ball carrier to the unblocked defender, and disrupt the passing game by using a variety of disguised coverages and pressuring the QB to make bad decisions. Against ODU, our unblocked defender couldn't tackle their linebacker of a running back, and their QB didn't make mistakes under pressure. Our defensive backfield also didn't win their one on one matchups. Basically, the defense accomplished nothing Foster's scheme is designed to do. Bud's a great defensive coordinator, but if you don't tick off the checklist of things a defense has to do to make his scheme work, the results are going to be disastrous. Against ODU, the defense looked as bad as I thought it might with all the youth we're fielding.
With the tackling that we saw and the CB's seeming to never look for the ball, scheme doesn't matter. The team was not ready to play this game. It's not only on the coaches, but the players too.
Note that the O isn't innocent in all of this. The D needed the O, to win a shoot out and to give them a chance to rest and recover. Of the 16 possessions, 9 were 5 plays or less and only two of those were scoring drives. This isn't a D from the TT days that can handle more snaps than the O and still pull out a W.
Don't expect to see our CBs turn for the ball in man coverage more often. They haven't been taught to do that for years. It's been a consistent feature of both our best and worst defenses recently.
Seems like this was a game where the other technique would have worked better.
Thank you for posting this. All the coaches were warning of this as well. "We've gotten away with some stuff and haven't paid for it yet. We need to get that cleaned up". (As close to memory as I could on the quote.)
After both wins, they were happy for the results but very tepid on praise while saying repeatedly that there were lots of things to fix.
I don't blame the loss on anyone. ODU played well, we played young. We knew it was going to happen, we just did not expect it from ODU.
I know what does not help the team though. "Fans" turning their backs on a group that absolutely wanted to have a better product. Hopefully they can learn what it takes to get that.
I disagree, but to an EXTENT. The talent differential is enormous. We want to be a top tier program, and we did something a top tier program doesn't do (or does so often, they don't even remember it). And we did it 3 times in 8 years. We lost to G5 (or worse) programs. We scheduled a series to show off in our recruiting hot bed and instead we shat the bed. And all this time, we're lauding ODU for a great performance, just as they invite our recruiting rivals to hold camp in the wake.
The fans get to be aggravated. And hell yes, if they decide to flip off the TV next week, I wouldn't blame them.
We complain about not being coastal favorites, and how the U isn't back. In the mean time, we choke in the spotlight most of the time, and every so often, we're choking against teams that benefit from us beating up on them (either monetarily or just simply sharing the spotlight).
And instead of people being offended that we aren't "big dogs", maybe we should be playing like it more often.
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Hey, I've got it. What we need is a lunch box mentality...
I've seen enough tech games that were head scratchers on defense to be able to say this: there is more to this game than Fosters traditional hiccups on his aggressive play. What im used to seeing is a few big breakaway plays that wind up costing us the game because our O couldn't cut it. The rest of the time stifling or decent overall. The way this game felt to me is that these players walked out there wiTh some internal issues going on as well as a sense of entitlement and got hit in the mouth. I don't know how else to put it.
Bud has always been my favorite coach at tech through all the years and I'll cheer my boys on. They'll grow up this is a young team and I'm glad they got a learning experience they won't forget.
I really hope this doesn't fuck us in the 757 for recruiting...that's really my biggest thing I fear
Bingo. This is why our defense can never stop a great quarterback even if we do stop the run. Almost always we are able to stop one or the other which makes it easier to handle the other facet of the offense. Generally the other facet is the quarterback game.
A few times each decade we may face a truly great QB. There is nothing we can do against these rare qbs, even if we make them one dimensional on offense. They are able to make reads before the snap, and can put every throw on target in the only spot available to throw to even when we know exactly what they will be doing. They never are rattled. Two examples are Aaron Rodgers and Andrew Luck. The good part is these QBs are few and far between. Usually we are able to rattle most QBs with quick pressure and disguised coverage.
Is GT still bad at passing if DC is in the penalty box?
I fully expected a good old fashioned dc thread after this year's GT game about their passing attack, win or loss.
Lol, I doubt he'll be back for that one (can you just imagine the all-out shitfest?).
I don't have to imagine it. There's well over a year's worth of threads just like it for me to go through if I wanted.
Honestly the guy generally has some really interesting points some views I wouldn't even consider and normally adds a lot to the conversation. Then goes out and does this kinda stuff.
Sidenote my TKP pickem entry name (GTPassPlay) isn't even relevant without DC
I don't disagree with the sentiment that dc has an interesting way of looking at things, but when it came to things like the GT passing stuff he's just looking for an opportunity to throw it in your face when a result seems to validate his viewpoint instead of making good faith arguments.
This might be my new favorite thread. "Bite me b*itch" hahaha.
Not that it matters because we should still win, but:
Is it out of the question to believe ODU prepped for this game since the off season started in December, skated through the first few games of the season and accepted the losses while they were reviewing film on us, knew they would play their back up the entire time, and just went all in on this game?
I feel like beating VT and sacrificing 3 games early in the season would be well worth the upset.
No way they would willingly sacrifice 2 conference games if they thought they were good enough to beat a top-20 team. For them, winning the CUSA championship would mean a lot more for their program than merely getting a single upset win that either (a) looks like a fluke because they're not even a top-100 team and we recover and do decent things this season, or (b) loses its luster because it was merely the first time the true quality of our team this season was exposed. Only time will tell.
Not so fast my friend. Even Coach Wilder called it the biggest thing to happen to the university. Not just the FB program, or even Athletic dept, but the whole University. So sacrificing three games to get the Big win is not out of the question.
They certainly played like they had been planning this for a while.
I don't know if they sacrificed those games on purpose, but they may well have been sitting on LaRussa as their best hope to win this game.
To re quote the Joker:
All else being equal, crazy wins.
I'm really sad I missed the opportunity to post this earlier:
Should have been the first post.
People logging into TKP for this first time this week and finding this thread like
I just wanted an excuse to post these gifs LOL
Seriously, the hilarity of this got me through today.
I'm glad it helped someone out! Prost!
My God its just too damn funny
HAHAHAHAH
He looks like the fucking Cookie Monster Hulk or something.
He looks like one of the Muppet Babies grew up and got addicted to crack.
There is a great twitter thread that I can't find now of course. It details gritty's journey on drugs from one muppet character to another to finally him.
At first I was so-so with the new mascot, but looking at more information about it and thinking how the Flyers are and how they play, I love it. I won't change my TKP profile pic, but I made the mascot my profile pic on Discord though.
Huh. So this thread is still a thing.....
(This thread, not you, MacGruber.)
Lol, nah it's ok. I saw what you did there.
Wouldn't want to get a downvote or something for suggesting that you should cease to exist. ;^)
Well if that were the case, it wouldn't have come from me.
Is this the thread where things go to die?
I know it's wrong, but I still like that girl.
#ShesQualified
So, the pervading question: would both of you suck face & swamp tonsils with her immediately after she chews that fish head off?
I wouldn't, because I'm married. But if I weren't?
Let's just say that it wouldn't be near as repulsive as it should be. Maybe have her rinse with Jack Daniels first.
I spent longer than i care to admit looking for this gif when we had the clickbait threads but it seems that the popular gif hosting sites have taken it down
Bud is a great coach but with this much youth and all the recruiting failures, this is the stuff that will happen.
We needed our front 4 to get more pressure so that we could drop more in coverage to make-up for the youth in the secondary. We couldn't generate it. We lost a lot of one on one battles that we shouldn't have.
We need to land some better recruits to make plays when we need them. To make plays that the scheme alone doesn't set them up for. Otherwise we have to wait until our recruits are coached up and bulked up in their senior year before they can start doing that kind of stuff.
Crickets from the naysayers tonight.
Good job Bud and the young men on D. Bud is Hokie Football. Period.
dcwilson40 like...
I'll play devils advocate...our secondary got toasted several times last night including several near touchdowns. Dukes WRs catch those bombs it's suddenly a very different game. However I was excited to see Bud mix things up with a man front every now and then on passing downs
Right but the same can be said for us, there were balls Willis slightly over threw that would have been tds
Ok... but thats not what we were talking about
Honestly, I saw 2 more instances where the defense could've nabbed 2 more pics. The 1st was in the 2nd qtr when (don't remember the name) nearly (& would've) came down with it had one of his fellow teammates not ran into him trying to get it also. That really pissed me off. Just let your teammate come down with it & keep the opposing team's players off of him.
The second was by Devine Deablo. Nearly had a pic in the 3rd. Other than that, & a few misses, I'd say DBU asserted itself quite well last evening.
I'll go...how was tackling, particularly from the DBs?
/thread
Not sure that really helps the perception of what happened for the ODU game lol.
Yeah, BFD... I do that on NCAA '14 with the Dollar and 3-3-5 formations all the time!
in the best interest of this site and not ostracizing a fellow Hokie i think this thread should be deleted. what is left to gain by continuing this thread? Hokies seem to be back on track lets put this behind us and focus on making Lane absolutely deafening next Saturday.
I am speaking softly for the next 6 days. Cannot wait to expose my vocal chords to the hellocity (not a word) of next Saturday.
I agree, surely there is some way Joe can lock this thread or something to prevent further comments.
If dcwilson is okay with taking a bad performance and shoving it in our faces then he can certainly tolerate a little turnabout.
i think if you review my comments you'll see i very much agree, but it's time to move on. we've had a week to vent and i don't see any purpose in dragging this on. at the end of the day this site is for hokies to come together, not to shit on eachother. this entire thread has been a cancer to the site and doesn't need to continue.
Yeah, you sure showed *him*
I'm not the one who restarted the thread but okay.
Doesn't matter who restarted the thread though, does it? Quit commenting and the thread goes away, and it really is that simple, isn't it?
LOL. This is like one of those e-mails at work where an admin is replying all to everyone and yelling "STOP USING REPLY-ALL!!!".
Pretty sure y'all alresdy gave him some
45 points given up today....
Over 400 yards given up.
Top 80ish defense
Stop bringing up this fucking post
ALL THE LEGS TO YOU
I would love to
Over 400 yards given up.
Top 80ish defense
Were talking about a defense that has like 5 upper class man I don't know what you want out of the defense their trying their asses off they are just young
I hope this thread just continues for years and racks up 1000s of downvotes.
Why
we are a top 80, or maybe even top 100 defense after this weekend. Downvotes would be Great had we won, or held them to under 300 yards.
or under 30 points like a top defense
Yeah, you're going to have to accept that this year is going to be an outlier from Bud's normal performance.
14 Michigan
W 24-17
Ball State Cardinals Football
W 24-16
Vanderbilt Commodores
W 22-17
Wake Forest Demon Deacons
W 56-27
7 Stanford
W 38-17
Know what's different between the first 3 games and the last 2?
Quarterback. Book gives ND a functional offense.
Let it rest.
For the love of God:
Let. This. Thread. Die.