Can we talk about the 4th Quarter

What exactly happened? ODU scored 28 points.

I know there was a different QB playing for ODU and Bud wasnt prepared for that, but for 3 quarters we were winning.

With 30 secounds left in the 3rd Quarter ESPN gave us a 90% chance to win

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Our boys just got tired at the end and ODUs talent and experience in big games pulled them through to put the game to bed.

This is really getting old and tiresome already. Try a new shtick.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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That's a normal shtick. Move on, find a new slant.

I'm more interested in understanding why ODU changed QBs after one series of their fourth game.

After the 0-3 start, what was it in the first series that made the coaches pull the trigger on the change that they didn't see prior to that?

Their coaches simply looked at the situation and attempted to give themselves the best chance to succeed.

They saw 2 young, inexperienced CBs and know that BF likes to put his CBs on an island and chose the QB who is the better thrower, hoping it would give them an edge. When they saw it was working, they continued with it.

When our coaches saw our D getting shredded, they did absolutely nothing to counter(or at least nothing apparent). Couple that with another C- Offensive effort, you have a formula to give up 28 pts in the 4th quarter.

We literally had 600 yards of offense. What c minus effort are you talking about?

1. 14 pts in the first half.....D had 3 straight 3 and outs....taking a lead there would have stomped out momentum.

2. Starting QB with 50% completion rating and a crippling, momentum changing interception ON 1ST DOWN shortly before the half, leading directly to ODU TD to tie the game at half.

3. Giving up MULTIPLE sacks to 3 MAN PRESSURE

4. 4 of 14 on 3rd down ----29%

5. Multiple stalled drives due to play calls that were headscratching at best

Yards do not equal points....we had one sustained drive that produced pts in the 1st half....that aint good enough against and ODU defense that had made a habit of giving up 50+

This is what I've been wrestling with... the offense scored points and moved the ball but at Critical times fell completely flat... bottom line that game became a shootout and our offense could not get it done

He's Still Open!!!

Exactly. I trust Bud will get this fixed, he historically always has. But the offense looked bad, unable to score until they absolutely had to. Why were we only able to score 14 in the first half? Usually when a team pulls an upset they need some fluke big plays, we were the team getting the fluke big plays yesterday. Even the big Hazelton TD was a poorly thrown ball.

Rip his freaking head off!

Yards don't equal points, this is a key premise for Bill C. creating the S&P+

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Hold on.

Stats can always be better, sure. And I agree that 3 man pressure sacks are a head-scratcher (though your point no. 5 is dubious at best). Also, if you're going to lambast Jackson on his first INT of the season after our D gave up 632 yards then you're really are reaching.

Obviously the D totally shitting the bed is why we lost.

In any case, we aren't (and never were) an OSU type of team to get 90 points. 600 yards and 35 points should be enough to beat 99% of teams we play, but we shit the bed on D and it wasn't enough.

We shouldn't have to rely on better offensive stats than what we put up in order to win games. Our D let us down and trying to pin this on the O is missing the point completely.

EDIT: Changed 632 points to yards

Also, if you're going to lambast Jackson on his first INT of the season after our D gave up 632 points then you're really are reaching.

holy crap. I knew the game was bad, but I didn't realize it was that bad. :-P

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Ha! THanks for the catch.

Only managing to score 35 points against one of the worst defenses in the country - I'd say a C- is pretty generous. Not that the bad performance of our offense excuses the pitiful and embarrassing performance of the defense.

Didn't we have 270+ yards rushing in the first half? Why did we end with so little more?

If you are going to go with the "Bud put his CBs on an island and got burned" argument, you are going to be very disappointed with my film review. They tried a bunch of zone throughout the game and miserably failed to execute it. One play, VT had 5 guys in coverage against 2 Monarchs while everyone else was max protecting. Both Monarch's were open.

If you have to play press man or quarters every play, it makes you MUCH easier to scheme against. FSU's only success was against zone coverage. W&M's success was almost exclusively against zone coverage. ODU figured out that if they could max protect LaRussa, he would find open guys. And if Foster brought the house, Larussa's WRs were so much bigger that they could win those on on ones.

At least at LB, there can be changes. I look at the roster and I don't know what changes you can make at corner (Thompson is recovering from injury, Waller has not looked as good as he looked in the spring, and nobody has any idea what Chatman brings to the table.) And none of that excuses how poorly the safeties/whip positions played.

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French I really hope this one gets exposed. It was fairly clearly after reading your reviews that some kind of adjustments were being made. I don't know why they didn't work, that's what I'm waiting on you to tell us, but they happened. Yet all I've seen here and social media is

No adjustments were made

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I think when the average fan/media member says

No adjustments were made

they are really saying

No successful adjustments were made

Part of me wants to just forget this game, but another part of me looks forward to French's analysis...I need something to help me understand what happened on Saturday.

I don't have to take this abuse from you, I've got hundreds of people dying to abuse me.

I wish I could have forgotten it. I had to watch it 3 times, with maybe two dozen plays over and over again. It is burned into my head.

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My best guess is that Deablo being out completely mixed up this young secondary. With youth and inexperience, a late shuffle to cover an injury may be too much to handle.

I hope Deablo gets healthy fast and everything gets better.

This was my suspicion too. Deablo seemed to help gel the young guys with his athleticism and with him out the adjustments we had to make backfired big time.

I completely agree with this assessment. I don't know a ton about football, but I think Diablo being out forced other players into positions that are not a perfect fit for them. While Hunter is an excellent football player, I think his larger size and decreased speed allowed ODU to take advantage of him when he was pressed into more coverage duties. Since Diablo was out, Ladler had to play coverage, which negated his talents at his usual position.

Going to be interesting to hear other opinions on this, but it seems like the key to our current defense is Diablo because he allows others to play at positions which maximize their skills.

There was one play in particular I looked at my friend and said what the fuck to. Their qb was scrambling close to the line and we were in obvious zone coverage. He started to move forward and literally all 5 guys abandoned their zone to make a play, sure enough QB flips it to a wide open receiver for 20 yards. That's a prime example of a young defense gloryhunting

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

Like...how though? It's like when the Monstars stole Chuck's talent and he just forgot how to play football.

I just don't understand these players seemingly forgot how to do the basics like tackle or defend a pass.

That was the weirdest thing for me.

I don't get the whole "Bud didn't make any adjustments" sentiment that keeps coming up. I saw multiple variations of zone all evening long.

At the end of the day, the secondary didn't play very well from a scheme standpoint (terribly unaware of each other's responsibilities) and from a technique standpoint. They looked like high school football players. Add to that, they struggled terribly in the tackling department. Bryce Watts in particular seemed to struggle the most in coverage and tackling.

Is it football season yet?

Does anyone have a link for the game on YouTube or anything? I couldn't watch it live and had to look upon ESPN updates in horror as it unfolded. I wouldn't normally watch a replay but this seemed like such a wreck I need to get a feel for what's going on.

Haven't checked, but hokietapes is my first option on YouTube for the games

See HokieTapes on YouTube. Game is there but I haven't been able to fire it up yet. Only listened to TuneIn broadcast.

I was unable to watch the game as well due to work but saw that Hokietapes released the recording this morning. While working I had the gamecast open and was scratching my head seeing these chunk yardage plays that ODU was making. Definitely looking forward to watching this game, can't believe the defense came out so flat.

Just a friendly tip...avoid having any sharp objects within arms reach when watching. You'll want to stab your eyes out, trust me.

Defensively, one play that drove me up a wall in the game was I want to say late in the first half or early to mid 2nd half, we managed to get ODU into 4th and 1 just outside of FG range, so they went for it. They lined it up to spread it out, and we did our usual adjustment, and then the corner at the top of the screen inexplicably backed off to give a 10 yard cushion before the snap. The ODU QB was all over it, quick 5 yard hitch, and an easy pickup without a defender within 5 yards of the catch. On 4th and 1.

When I saw that, I had a feeling the game was over. I can't imagine that was something coached by Bud. That was just a massive mental lapse with a defender not knowing the scenario. I suspect a deep dive is going to find this kind of mentally deficient crap over and over and over again that night.

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I saw that too..it was laughably easy. I'd be interested to know which coach is in charge of calling in the coverages is it BF alone or is a joint call made?