Meta: TKP After the ODU Loss

Virginia Tech lost to Old Dominion on the road. It's prudent to conclude everyone who rocks maroon and orange ranges from pissed to dejected. The same can be said for other unexpected and high-profile losses. Emotions are high and chances are, given TKP is a very large community, someone is going to downvote to downvote.

Yes, that absolutely goes against the community guidelines and preferably that would stop. Many TKPers complained about downvotes yesterday. I've maintained that adds more noise to the discourse than a downvote (because it does). In all the instances I looked at, ultimately those comments and topics ended up on the plus-side of the ledger. Moreover, unless you dcwilson40-type tear as a new poster, the downvotes have little immediate impact. Hopefully in the instances where they are warranted, downvotes serve in the longterm to better adhere to the community guidelines.

As far as dcwilson40 goes. That account was blocked from posting this morning. To be clear, it had nothing to do with criticism of the program or its coaches.

As a community, we encourage all thoughts on Virginia Tech athletics, whether they be supportive, critical, or otherwise. However, please keep it respectful, well informed, and refrain from personal attacks towards players and coaches. Criticism for the sake of criticism does not add to the discussion, and neither does rah-rah homerism for the sake of rah-rah homerism. Statistics, screen grabs, diagrams, etc... may help your point across better, and that benefits the entire community.

Before you post and contribute to the community, ask yourself, "Does it make TKP better?" If you answer 'no', stop what you are doing.

When I read through the community guidelines this morning that's the part that stuck out to me. dcwilson40 provides valid criticisms, but the provocative posting style is not what TKP is all about.

I hope TKP at-large does better than the Hokies after the next heartbreaker or head scratcher.

Forums: 

Comments

Gonna miss my sparring partner.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Buy a heavy bag.

Fuck that guy.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

[Replying to the first comment to put the fun stuff up front before future readers get to the heavier topics.]
Came to this thread to see what was up. Asked myself, "How can I make TKP better? I see mayonnaise has already been mentioned...should I post an Emma gif?"

Before you post and contribute to the community, ask yourself, "Does it make TKP better?" If you answer 'no', stop what you are doing.

This is a bit confusing to me as reason to cite to ban someone. Posts about an actual game and the product that was on the field - regardless of how abrasive - 'make TKP worse,' but posts about mayonnaise are celebrated? I think he brings more than he detracts, as he actually talks VT sports.

but posts about mayonnaise are celebrated?

Looks like we got ourselves a Miracle Whip lover, boys and girls.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

I make egg salad with mustard and I make cole slaw with vinegar. F Mayonanaise. F Miracle Whip.

Going into next week, remember that the only acceptable form of Duke is in mayonnaise form...

You're not from around here are you?

I think the idea is that the confrontational and combative comments aren't welcome, and that user took that approach quite often. We all bitch and moan about the product on the field (we're fans after all) but blatantly attacking other users ("bite me", "fuck off", etc) aren't really what this community needs. The mayonnaise comments aren't really "celebrated" in my opinion, just a harmless and acceptable off topic tangent that is bound to occur on any fan forum.

Just my $0.02.

I understand the personal attacks part, but there were also posts telling DC to 'fuck off,' as well. Those all had many upvotes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

^ This.

We didn't start off on the right foot on that thread, and then some people decided to circle the wagons against dc and act just as, or more, negatively. Then everyone congratulated themselves for being anti-dc and piled on. Not a great look either way.

A former soccer coach once told me after I had lost the ball and didn't get back to play defense: "You made one mistake, it happens. Don't make a second one." I think last night we made a second one.

I wasn't a big participant in that thread but if this is the case then I can agree that the circling the wagons was probably a bit much. I personally never appreciated DC's approach on most things, even if I didn't disagree with his opinion. But I long ago stopped trying to find reason in post game reaction threads. Drunk pissed people aren't usually reasonable.

This^. It pains me that he was banned as I personally have known him. I know his long-standing passion for VT. And I know that his passion can supercede the positive veneer we try to maintain. But to be perfectly honest, there were a lot more down votes earned in that post than just towards DCWilson. And I mean well-earned. The community was triggered by the frustration we ALL were feeling, and nearly as one, it targeted DC. Over and over. And now successfully, as it stands by this post. If he violated the guidelines, then so be it. But I wouldn't be very proud of the rest of the community piling one in the comments either.

Feel free to down vote me as you see fit.

HTHokie93

You're not from around here are you?

outoftowner5

I think you're right.

Agreed, mayonnaise lovers are disgusting and shouldn't be allowed on this site. I thought this country had moved on from our dark mayonnaise loving past, but 2018 has been very revealing about the character of this site.

This is more MUCH more than a VT sports site. The off topic discussions are sometimes better than the sports ones. I've made friends on here I never would have made outside the site. I've found places to eat, live, things to do. This community stepped up when I was coming up for games from states away for games.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Agreed. I also have friends that I would not have met otherwise if not for TKP. If you look at the description of the site it says "Football and Basketball News, Recruiting, Analysis and Humor." Sometimes we need the off topic humor. Sometimes we need the off topic sense of community. Yes, we are all frustrated and disappointed and mad after yesterday. We need to vent. We all have our opinions and we disagree. We are human after all. The thing about this site is for the most part the humor, sense of community, and the debates (which can get heated) are positive and build upon the community/friendships/bonds that we have created.

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

Just to play devil's advocate, most will not have that type of mindset when using this site. It's awesome that you have made a ton of friends and those relationships have made actual impacts on you life, but the majority of hokie fans on sports forum don't care about all that extra stuff.

Because of that, you might think that certain users or posts are not "respecting" a website to which you clearly have a very real and emotional attachment. However, your view (and others on here that share your passion) will probably not be shared by the large portion of users. That's what makes regulation so difficult since everyone's perspective is so unique.

I agree with you. DC Wilson had a cancerous attitude last night but i understand where he's coming from and we are all frustrated. He normally contributes useful conversation about VT sports.

And to your point, there are several replies to your post about mayonnaise that have more upvotes than your original does. Maybe that's just the culture of this website with conversations about mayonnaise and the same gif being reposted and maybe I don't quite fit that culture...but I have always thought we were here to discuss VT sports first and foremost. Lately it's felt more like reddit.

Recruit Prosim

Yes because his post had no validity when it comes to talking about topics not directly related to sports.

If the only topic we are supposed to talk about is sports then The site is kind of a boring place to be most of the year.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Such posts are "Off Topic" and specifically are part of this community to add levity. They do add levity. Levity is needed on days like today.

Cheese is the worst. And so was this post.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

YOU'RE WRONG! About the cheese part. Rest is valid.

Outspoken team cake advocate. Hates terrapins. Resident Macho Man Gif Poster. Distant cousin to Dork Magic. Frequently misspells words.

I'll be honest, I went to Hershey Park yesterday and missed the game, only checked the score a few times and decided I just wasn't going to let me bother it. I'm glad I didn't read TKP until today, because I feel like being around a community of such passionate fans would have pulled me back into it, and I would have been just as pissed off as the rest of them. Even still, this one hurts and I've got more than 2 decades of being a Redskins fan to practice living with soul-crushing defeats and embarrassment.

#thingsiblamethemvsfor

I did as well. I was at my niece's 8th birthday at the skating rink (apparently those still exist). Ran into a friend I had not seen in 5 years whose kid was there and had a nice time catching up. I caught the first and fourth quarters on the radio in the car before and after the party. For about 2 minutes I started to let it ruin my day and then thought about my kids and seeing family/ friends and decided I would let it pass because IT JUST WASN'T WORTH IT. Hokies are my passion and work will suck tomorrow but whether they win or lose is out of my control so I won't let it bring me down. And, the optimistic soul I am believes that this will somehow make this team better in the long run because Bud and Fuente will make it a life lesson they will never forget that will resonate on and off the field.

Teach me your ways. But seriously, I really admire that. For the last several seasons, I've really tried pounding it in my own head that it's just a game and not dwelling so much on whether we win or lose. It used to take me WEEKS to get over bad losses and now I'm at the point where it's just days, but there's just so many more important things in life and I'm trying hard to keep things in perspective. It's not easy, but I'm hoping to get there.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

I had a similar experience. Living in Germany helps, because these games tend to be on later in the day, streaming (generally) sucks, and so I stopped keeping up at halftime. When I checked the score the next morning, I was pretty pissed off, but I focused my time on my nearly 3 year old and was able to bounce back quickly and enjoyed the rest of my day despite having to spend it with my mom-in-law.

I can't even imagine what TKP would be if it was at this level of traffic after the JMU loss.

Marshall University student.
Virginia Tech fanatic.

I just looked for my own amusement, and the JMU gamethread had 38 comments in an era of TKP where the average post got 0-2 comments.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

What percentage of them were in reference to Stinespring, Newsome & O'Cain??

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

Is that what meta means?

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

A post on TKP about TKP itself

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

The only thing that would be more meta is if I make a post on TKP about this post on TKP which discusses posting on TKP.

If I am not mistaken DC is a payed member of TKPC. If that is true, despite his hot takes and sometimes less than appealing approach, he has as much a reason to be part of this community than any other paying member. Therefore I hope this is not a permanent ban. His approach last night was wrong, but disappointment can lead to stupid things. But as a paying member it's clear that he does not take the site for granted.

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

I also hope it's not a permanent ban, and to be honest his comments are probably my least favorite on the site. But I think he adds something that we need to see. I think we all know that there are irrational fans who like to shit on Bud Foster whenever they get a chance, but most of us probably don't know any personally. He reminds us that our fanbase as a whole might not be as levelheaded as we like to think it is, whether it be about Bud or Fuente or Buzz or whoever.

And he always gets a discussion going because he says things that are so outlandish that a lot of us just can't help but respond even if 5 other people are already arguing with him. And then he almost always defends each of his points when you call him out. At least that's always been my experience in my arguments with him. I think he's almost always wrong but I have to give him credit for his ability to stick to his guns and refuse to give in when he's under attack.

There's a lot to unpack when he posts a topic.

He tends to have egregious opinions, which could be intriguing & fun.

You just can't be the contrarian if you are the laziest poster, with the shortest fuse in the thread.

You can't be the contrarian when you have less ability to accentuate your point than just about anybody who shows up to discuss.

And being stubborn alone doesn't make for a good argument. If you're going to bear that cross, grab a Red Bull and crack your damn knuckles.

Maybe he's tossing this out there expecting somebody to make his case for him. But he is not a worthy adversary, and most of the time we're putting more effort into figuring out what we're supposed to be discussing than actually discussing it.

I think we'd like to have the discussions he's having. It's just tedious as fuck, and he seems more interested in internet-fights than continuing the discussion he started.

He should've said it in a more positive way. For example, we have the most losses as a 28+ point favorite. We're the best at something!

Rip his freaking head off!

Honestly, I'm a little conflicted about the whole dcwilson40 situation. The dude is very abrasive and quite often his message gets lost in his tone. It's a classic mistaking the messenger for the message situation. It would benefit him to take some time off and rethink his posting tone.

However, I also think the rest of us should step back and look at ourselves. Last night was the culmination of almost a years worth of events going back to the infamous "Bud gets a pass" post after last years GT game. We all joke like Bud is an omnipotent demi-god, but we know that he is human (please don't tell him I said this). Usually Bud out-coaches the guys across the field, but every once in a while he gets bested. Just look at the anOSU series. Bud out-coached Meyer in Columbus and Meyer turned around and out-coached Bud in Blacksburg. Usually against GT, Bud and Johnson go toe-to-toe all game long, constantly adjusting and re-adjusting. Last year's GT was an example of Johnson getting the best of Bud for a few big plays. Then dcwilson40 posted the "does Bud get a pass" rant that wouldn't be out of place in a vent thread and was nowhere near the level of vitriol that surfaces during game threads. And he got crucified for it.

How many of us have chimed in with "gets a pass" jokes since then? I know I did early on. But these jokes still pop up in almost every thread that has a decent number of comments. At this point, it is hard to see them as just harmless humor, and not recognize that some posters use them to directly needle dcwilson40, as a way to get turkey legs at someone elses expense. They aren't just jokes anymore, they are high school level picking on the uncool kid to get cool points with everyone else.

So, after almost a year of being the butt of some posters jokes for having the audacity to awkwardly point out that Bud sometimes fails, Bud's defense goes out and lays the biggest, messiest, stinkiest turd of his tenure. So, dcwilson40 has a counter-point, a way to fight back, and abrasively posts about it, in a manner that, again, wouldn't be out of place in a vent thread and is far better than some of the garbage that gets posted in game threads.

And how did many posters respond? Not with facts or objective counter-points, but with outright name-calling, insults, suggestions that he just go away, and a metric shit-ton of downvotes. You would be lying to yourself if you thought that the vast majority of the down-votes had anything to do with dcwilson40 actually violating community guidelines. People just wanted to punish him and some gleefully made it a goal to see if they could down-vote him into getting ban-hammered. It was like a down-voting feeding frenzy. How else do explain other posters getting tons of down-votes just for agreeing with his point, trying to stick up for him, or even asking why people are down-voting posts that clearly aren't violations of the community guidelines? Shit got out of hand. He fanned the flames like a champ, but again, how many responses to his post were just insults and personal attacks? Was everyone on edge after one of the worst Hokie games in memory? Absolutely, but true character is revealed in times of adversity, and last night wasn't a good look for most involved. I think all sides need to accept some culpability in this mess.

So, moving forward, how about instead of posting tired, subtly malicious "gets a pass" jokes, we try something else? How about we spend almost a year making jokes about noted Panthers superfan Alum07 suddenly, and purely coincidentally, becoming a "life-long" Eagles fan. He has thick enough skin to take it and it won't seem so much as the cool kids punching down on the uncool kids.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

You know the crazy thing? The "bud gets a pass" thread was actually after the Miami game.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I guess I was conflating it with the whole "GTs passing offense is effective/efficient" trainwreck.

Thanks for the correction.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

THIS. That thread was a nightmare and NOT because of dcwilson. He is abrasive but he is No Bender. If this site can't have someone with an opposing point of view then that's no bueno. Ultimately, I agree with Joe giving him a timeout in the penalty box so that he cools his posting. But the amount of "fuck you's" thrown at the guy just because he doesn't like Foster ... sheesh... calm down people.

I disagree with so much of what you post.... but I firmly agree with you here and respect you for that opinion. It's ok to disagree. If this site becomes an echo chamber of memes and mayonnaise and cheerleading, what's the point? DC needs a lot more tact than he showed last night, but he amount of personal retaliation back at him was mob like. We are better than this.

Recruit Prosim

It's also the fact he dropped a "I told you Bud was a shitty coach" bomb on this board at the worst possible moment in the closing seconds of one of the worst losses in program history, and statistically the biggest upset in college football in at least 10 years.

If you must troll the board, do it light heartedly. He carpet bombed with both middle fingers in the air coming across as taking joy in the loss so he could rip into Bud. That will never, ever go well on any Hokie forum. He knew what he was doing, he kicked the hornet's nest, and now he suffers the consequences.

People are allowed to take opposing and controversial standpoints on here. Those lead to some really, really good conversations and discussions. But to have threads that lead to respectful discourse they have to start with respect.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

To quote a random funny situation I once made a joke about, his comment at that time was like strapping a full grown alligator to the top of his car and riding through TKP with both middle fingers out the window while laying on the horn.

Driving with his feet, is he? That's impressive

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

And I respect you for being open about disagreeing with me. We should be able to disagree and still respect each other. common ground man. hopefully we find some more on other topics.

I agree that some of the responses to him were a bit much, but I have no regrets downvoting him. The funny thing was I knew exactly what to expect from him before I even checked on this site this morning, and what do you know, another unnecessary inflammatory post by dcwilson.

If literally anyone else makes that post, I think it still would have been received negatively, but his reputation for posting stuff like that in the past made it worse. Let's not candy coat it, he's not a guy with an "opposing viewpoint", he's a troll who posts things that will get people fired up, and he knows it. Why we continue to give him a platform is beyond me.

I don't have a problem with the downvotes. He was belligerent and should be downvoted for trolling like that. But then, if people took it on the chin rather than spouting the "fuck you's" then perhaps he wouldn't have been so belligerent.... maybe. anyway, no way to know now.

He's belligerent in general. The "fuck yous", as unnecessary as they were, were a response to that. Not the other way around.

disagree. this was his post:

Bud Foster my ass.... lol clown show: go ahead and make excuses for odu kicking our ass up and down the field with 600 yards of offense.. go ahead..

He wasn't being belligerent here. Crass, sure. Non-empathetic, certainly. The FU's came direct, then he got belligerent.

He had posted multiple belligerent replies when I told him to gfy. And it was in complete response to him practically taking joy in the loss.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

this was the first thing you said to him:

Dude, go fuck yourself

Not trying to single you out, because LOTS of people did the same, but you would get belligerent if people replied to you out the gun as well. I would too.

I'm not saying dcwilson is enjoyable to read, or that I agree with him, but I don't see the need for telling him to "go fuck yourself" for his Topic post.

You're damn right I did. With his history and seeing some of the replies he had already made in that thread? Nah, bye Felicia.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

lol

I'm with Alum07. Got what he (dcwilson40) deserved. If he cleans his shit up & Joe decides he can come back, I trust Joe. But he got what he deserved. He practically begged for it.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

And I'm with Fernley. If the community rules apply for DC, then they apply to all of us. So the "gfy", etc... were, are and will continue to be out of line. Period. The comments section in that thread did not show our community in a very positive light. And if there are repercussions for that (maybe turning away potential future KeyPlayers to the site), then, to quote Alum07/HokieMacGruber26, we deserve it and had it coming.

HTHokie93

For the second time, I said if/once he cleans up his shit, then I trust Joe's judgement (I trust his judgement regardless). That was the main crux of my comment. But he's REALLY gotta clean it up (insert Captain Obvious gif).

And if there are repercussions for that (maybe turning away potential future KeyPlayers to the site)

Speaking of which, I noticed you've been on here for quite some time (way longer than I have). So in reference to your remark, what gives...

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

pretty sure it means that maybe someone who saw that thread wouldn't want to join TKP because it got real ugly real fast.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Ok, here's my reply. For the record, I didn't down vote either of your posts in this thread.

"I'm with Alum07. Got what he (dcwilson40) deserved. If he cleans his shit up & Joe decides he can come back, I trust Joe. But he got what he deserved. He practically begged for it." - I've already covered how he was out of line and that I support Joe's determination.

My issue is that while the temp ban may have been in order, the gang-up down votes, name-calling, and quasi-organized 'let's down vote him out of the chat' conversations were not.

HTHokie93

Also, I'm curious (obviously you don't have to answer), how come you haven't hopped onto TKP mem?

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

Good call. I need to, have been experiencing French withdrawal for some time now.

HTHokie93

That was indeed Alum07's first comment in the thread. However, for the sake of context, I think it's important to note that prior to him making that comment, dcwilson40 had already made these comments elsewhere in the comments section:

Bite me bitch... go snuggle up to Bud

Awww poor baby.

That's what I thought.. excuses. You troll

Yep but Fencer's feelings are hurt

He was already getting personal and combative before Alum07's chimed in, and the invitation Alum07 extended might have had as much to do with that as with the original content of the post.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

To be fair to dc this was probably the first time I didn't try to take the high road and just told him outright I hoped he would get banned, and it rightfully got thrown back in my face. I do think it's funny that he said I was making excuses though el oh el.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

counterpoint, these were the comments directly attacking him before any of his comments you listed:

You are an angry little man.

Go away you asshole.

Shut the fuck up DC I hope you get bannedhammered I'm tired of your bullshit on here

I'm not defending his belligerent comments. They should be downvoted and as I said, agree he should be put on ice for time being. But, people were gunning for him from the start before he went full arnie.

Post: Dude, go fuck yourself (-5 legs)
Reply: Why? Because odu kicked our ass? Because bud Foster couldn't force a punt after the 1st quarter? Boo hoo (-87 legs)

Really? smh...

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Yeah I was taking my angry from the game on him my bad I was really about to lose my sanity after that game

I feed off of nightmares

Downvote score should have been reversed there lol.

I disagree.

Taunting VT fans over Bud's performance vs ODU should be down voted heavily.

I find that tone completely unacceptable.

Ok they should be equal.

I believe you just hit the nail on the head with that. Very good comparison.

HTHokie93

This thread was destined to circle the bowl from the tone it started with.

I'm not really having any sympathy for DC over it. This was the thread he wanted, and it's the one he got.

If you don't see that quote as trollish/belligerent then I don't know what else to say, because to me it's a textbook example of it.

I see it as a fan venting after a loss.

Go look at the Game Thread. Loads of people were having a rough day. I get what you are saying, but people are responding to the summation of dcwilson rubbing them the wrong way up to this point, not because this post was belligerent. He's entitled to his opinion and to voice his contempt for the loss, no matter how wrong I believe he is.

Go look at the Game Thread.

I think you've inadvertently stumbled onto the key distinction to be made in this unfortunate circumstance. While it sounds cliche to say, it's not what you said, it's how you said it, in this case it's applicable. Game threads are for stream of consciousness observations, as are vent threads. Had the content of dcw's post been submitted as a comment in either of those two places, we aren't having this conversation now. But that's not what he did, because that message wasn't just about venting frustration. He created a new thread that did not foster any meaningful new conversation, and he did it just as much to antagonize anyone on the site who disagrees with his position as he did to express frustration over an embarrassing loss. He wanted more visibility than a comment in a megathread allows because he wasn't just criticizing Foster but also taking a swipe at his dissenters.

It's also not the first time this season he's taken that approach. He had a post a couple weeks ago asking if GT's passing numbers in a game qualified as efficient. He's basically been keeping all the arguments that originated with his comments after the Miami loss last season at a simmer through that kind of posting behavior, and it eventually boiled over.

The reaction to his post last night wasn't pretty, but it was exactly the outcome he intended. He picked a fight and he got one. He poked the bear one too many times.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

I disagree mostly but (I don't really disagree, I just don't think this case applies) I do agree here:

He poked the bear one too many times.

This wasn't about starting a new Topic post. It was about the summation of bear poking he has done up to now in all his posts. He came out swinging with a giant "Told you so", but people replying came back with direct attacks and expletives. At that point, while I don't agree with the manner he responded to them, I can understand why he started directly attacking his attackers.

But that's the thing. He doesn't dislike Foster. In fact, he thinks rather highly of him. What I think was his point was about the fact that any criticism of him on TKP is seen as equivalent to calls for his firing. There's a lot of STFU going on when someone has any criticism of Foster, and I think that's what he was targeting. He took it too far, way to far, and in a manner that's inconsistent with the community guidelines. But I think his target was not Foster, but those who think he is not allowed to be criticized when he does, in fact, have a bad game.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

good point

How many of us have chimed in with "gets a pass" jokes since then? I know I did early on. But these jokes still pop up in almost every thread that has a decent number of comments. At this point, it is hard to see them as just harmless humor, and not recognize that some posters use them to directly needle dcwilson40, as a way to get turkey legs at someone elses expense. They aren't just jokes anymore, they are high school level picking on the uncool kid to get cool points with everyone else.

Nailed it. End result of being very cliquish.

Biggest issue here is, the more 2 four 7 keeps making their board suck then the more of their riff-raff is gonna infiltrate over here.

I think the success of the product on the field and the preparedness of the coaching staff has a lot more to do with it than what is going on at 247, but whatevs

I don't disagree with that. Just saying that 2 4 7 is better suited for mindless rants. Sucks we lost, I still got to go to work tomorrow, lets get ready for Duke and go from there.
With the youth, inexperience, and injuries there are going to be setbacks and growing pains. Cheers, get well JJ,
and Go Hokies!

Their style may be different and can get out of hand, but 247 does bring opposing viewpoints and different perspectives on the reality of this program. By regarding those readers as riff-raff we are inherently casting them and their opinions out, which only fuels the fire further (between fellow Hokies!). I get apprehensive on this site whenever I want to post something critical in fear of getting the infamous downvote.

Is there riff-raff on 247? Of course there is. But it is here too in its own ways.

-Stick it in

I was a part of the piling on last night. For that I apologize. I don't think anyone else that creates that post experiences the same kickback as DC. He does have very valid points at times. But he also seems to try to stir the pot just for shits at times. I can't speak for anyone else, but after that abomination of a game, I was in absolutely no mood for it. In a vacuum, his OP last night was pretty benign, but given some his history I, and I'm sure others as well, took it completely differently and responded in kind. We were wrong for that. I think anyone is entitled to "a pass" on the threads after that showing. I've offset a lot of my downvotes from last night. I left those I felt were earned. I can't disagree with Joe's time out, but I don't want and didn't want DC banned at all. I think we all just need to take a breath and probably a drink, shake hands and soldier on. We still have a loooong season ahead.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

I'm not into banning but I can see where, as a site administrator, sometimes this kind of action may be necessary.

DC does make good points but was very combative and insulting to other members when they either down voted or confronted his vitriol. I think inflammatory comments without the constant provocation may have been a more palatable situation. Part of the issue was the ever increasing escalation of hostility. That does not contribute to a healthy community.

It's true there were other people that were antagonistic towards DC and that was also wrong but their negative contributions were not part of what looked like a situation that was beginning to spin out of control.

Maybe there should be a way to earn your way back into a good graces? I don't know.

He was definitely reveling in the negativity. That and ignoring some of the community guidelines are on him. Paying too much attention to him and giving his posts more credence than they may deserve is on all of us. This is unfortunate and I don't know how I would have handled it because there are so many things to consider and this is a no win situation. I think we should all learn from this and also understand how hard a job it is to run a site like this and/or be a moderator.

The site needs unpopular opinions at times to generate discussion. But, unpopular opinions are going to be met with popular counters and one must not take it personally.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

I was going to comment on his thread last night with my $0.02, but I wanted to sleep on it and this seems like a better thread to do it.

DC probably wouldn't make a great diplomat, but a lot of his points are spot on. Let me be clear in saying that his delivery is often crass and he did make some attacks, but I read through that entire thread several times and noticed a couple of things that really pissed me off about how this unfolded.

First of all, why is it that when we get mad at someone or an initial thought, we downvote them into oblivion on everything that they say the rest of the thread? DC could've said "I want world peace" and would've still been ganged up on to the tune of 50+ downvotes. Then, when any brave soul tries to defend them, they get thrown into the gauntlet too. This snowball effect happens more often than not anytime an inital post or a few poorly written posts are downvoted.

Second, there were a lot of malicious comments from members who are self-proclaimed ambassadors of this site that were receiving a lot of upvotes. I get it, but it seems a little hypocritical to me. I swear some people on here can break right through the guidelines and get upvotes and then when others that have a reputation comment, they get shredded to pieces regardless of what they say.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

DC could've said "I want world peace" and would've still been ganged up on to the tune of 50+ downvotes.

This made me chuckle a bit, and I think your whole comment is spot on. As for DC maybe not being a diplomat, I've been in his shoes before and have become much more diplomatic over the years, I'm sure (read: hope and believe) he will too. Internet college football boards aren't terrible places to learn these lessons, if the community is willing to forgive and move on.

You can downvote me if you want but I'm about to speak the damn truth.

When I read this "Bite me bitch... go snuggle up to Bud" I laughed out loud and I genuinely hope this becomes something TKPers used in a sarcastic way in the future.

That said DC deserves a break but he also probably deserves to come back.

Even Arnie was given the "email me in month" sentence and his banning, while not a snowball effect but more of an atomic bomb of "holy shit he just said that lol." However, unless ol Arn is under a different name, I doubt he ever sent that email.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

If DC was travon hill thered be a lot of is this just a knee jerk reaction to someone showing emotion.

I didn't get to read whatever DC posted to get booted, but ive gone back and forth with him a time or 2 and while I don't agree with everything he says ive never down voted him, or anyone else for that matter. TKP isn't a popularity contest. I upvote good posts to show appreciation to the poster. not because I like the poster or dislike the poster but simply because I like the post. no offense to anyone here but joe can post "I like turtles" and go plaid DC can post "man josh Jackson struggled with his accuracy Saturday" and he will get down voted to oblivion. If DC was at lot 13 and drinking a beer with everyone and said the same things he posted you probably have a good discussion with him and actually agree with some of his points. This site, community, should (and most of the time does) appreciate, and invite differences of opinions. DC isn't here trolling as a LOLUVA fan hes simply sharing his views on the football program and what he thinks are our downfalls. We aren't all great at articulating our points sometimes via the internet and maybe he could take a class or something but im not a fan of banning him. I hope he can come back soon. I hope the guys that hate him can understand hes a hokie just as much as anyone else here and hes passionate about his team and that's where his post come from. hopefully he can find a better way to get his points across. I personally am sad to see anyone from the community to go especially a paying member because that means he cares about the site enough to support it. maybe "voting" should be something only paying members are entitled to do as well.

anyways that's my take. I hope DC gets back on the squad. losing one passionate, loyal, bleeding orange and maroon hokie is not something im in favor of. considering how many jump on and off the wagon between week 1 and 3 this year. DC Wilson much like our hokies went 0-1 this week. but its a new day with a new challenge. lets let him right the ship and move on. give him the chance to go 1-0 next week.

as always go hokies! and I love and appreciate TKP!

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

Here's a quick follow-up. I want everyone on TKP to be able to express their opinions on Virginia Tech football. However, the community guidelines exist to foster civility and discussion. They aren't perfect and there are grey areas. What put dcwilson40 over the top was a repeated provocative and contentious posting style. His original post read like it intended to start a fight, not a discussion, and it accomplished the former.

go ahead and make excuses for odu kicking our ass up and down the field with 600 yards of offense.. go ahead..

coldblood4vt nailed it, it's the tone and not the message. As I said on that OP, he brings a lot of valid and critical points to the table which I appreciate. It adds to a healthy debate. I reached out to him personally yesterday and it's not a permanent ban.

There are two sides to every discussion. I hope both are voiced and respected, whether in the majority or minority, as long the argument is made in a rational and civil way.

I think there are a lot of downvotes that were thrown dc's way that people should probably go back and reevaluate. Several of the posts in the thread do not violate the guidelines, and don't carry the same tone as many of the others. There were downvotes that were deserved, but a lot of those weren't.

The court of popular opinion is a dangerous place; I don't think everyone here would want the dogpile treatment if they were in dc's shoes. It's pretty easy for folks to ignore their downvotes and move on. But, if you're going to give them, you should be sure that its warranted. Everyone should want that treatment.

Its not what he said but how he said it. He came in wanting to fight, and he got it. People have been fed up with him for a very, very long time, and it finally reached a crescendo over the weekend. If he came in wanting to discuss the shortcomings of the defense in this loss, he might still have been met with some backlash, but he wouldn't have been blasted to the extent he was. But he didn't. He didn't want a discussion, he came in 'told you Bud Foster sucks, excuse DAT'.

People who pick fights in here have been consistently dealt with in similar fashion before.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Hard disagree. this is completely biased.

Its not how he said it, its how people reacted to it. He wasn't looking for a fight he was looking to rub people's noses in something he believes. everyone else chose to fight him with personal attacks. your first post and his reply to you exemplifies that. you told him to go fuck himself, and his reply had zero personal attacks. He eventually went full arnie for sure, but NOT before people were directly attacking him and telling him to Fuck Off, yourself included.

I told him to fuck off after reading things like this:

Bite me bitch... go snuggle up to Bud

Awww poor baby

That's what I thought.. excuses. You troll

Yep but Fencer's feelings are hurt

I have no regrets in what I said. The guy came in looking for a fight and was hard up to get going once people replied. I have no regrets for telling him to fuck off, none.

I also find it extremely interesting that more people are taking issue that the word 'fuck' was used in a reply to him than the actions of someone so blatantly trying to rile up the board and start a flame-fest.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

ALL of those comment you listed came after other people personally attacked him calling him an asshole and to go fuck himself. If your argument is that the cumulative posts justify your post then you have to give the same weight to the comments that came before these. otherwise it is extremely hypocritical.

And he wasn't being an asshole for dropping this on the board in the closing seconds of the ODU loss?

BUD FOSTER MY ASS... LOL CLOWN SHOW

go ahead and make excuses for odu kicking our ass up and down the field with 600 yards of offense.. go ahead..

He wanted a fight. When he got the replies he wanted, he replied with "bite me bitch", and "___ is still butthurt". The dude was being a complete and total dick and earned every bit the reaction he got.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

He was a total dick, but AFTER people were a dick to him.

So what if that is his Topic Post. He's not wrong. That was a total clown show. I can accept it because I can contextualize how young the defense is, and I can accept it because unlike dcwilson I believe I have a greater appreciation for how unbelievably lucky we are to have Foster. But that was a total clown show. That one WR for ODU clowned us all game. No matter what was thrown at him he would catch it in 1-1 situations. A back up QB on a team we should have wiped the earth with, drove the ball down our throats. We had more miss tackles on one drive then we probably have in 4 or 5 games typically. It was a clown show, nah it was a shit show.

So what? You telling me I can't say that? Our defense blew harder than a truck stop meth addict. What? I can't say that?

Nah man. You and everyone else made it personal. DC gave everyone a "I told you so" without personally attacking ANYONE, and was immediately attacked.

He did eventually lean into his emotions and attack back, but not before others. He should be in the penalty box, but so should the mob mentality on TKP.

You were here for Bender man. that guy basically thumbed his nose at community guidelines and gave the middle finger to everyone. This isn't remotely the same. At least DC, as misguided as I think his argument about Foster is, tries to make a point about football.

People were butthurt and they needed an outlet. DC was it. plain and simple.

His argument about Foster is that people aren't allowed to be critical of him on TKP when, in fact, he does have a bad day. That's his whole "Bud gets a pass" argument (which gets thrown in his face almost every single day on TKP). He has a valid point, there's a lot of STFU going on when somebody is critical of Foster who, albeit one of the best defensive coordinators in the game today, is not perfect.

I'm not arguing that DC's methods are remotely acceptable, but he does have a good point about the reaction of the TKP base when anything critical of Foster is posted.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

You made this point on another thread and I 100% agree with you, but I'm picking my battles on the hypocrisy of DC's post rather than whether or not he likes or dislikes Foster. I definitely agree with you though.

Understood. There was a lot of that going on, and multiple people (including myself) pointing it out.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

No, he didn't. Not anymore than you earned a down vote from me for calling him a dick.

HTHokie93

Its hilariously ironic that, in your complaints that, in your opinion, dc was erroneously downvoted, you and a fair decent of others are resorting to downvote anyone who says that dc deserved it.

hypocrisy at its finest.

Edit: And then you downvoted this comment, too. Thanks for proving my point.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Been picking up on that as well.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

The irony is that you can call him a dick and then claim him as the culprit. If the community rules apply, I'd suggest abiding by them. Both of you. Not abiding by the same rules you are calling someone out on is called hypocrisy as well.

EDIT: I told you I down voted your comment IN my comment, and I never claimed to not have downvoted DC either. He was out of line and got called out and banned for it. The part that's being glossed over is that a lot of the rest of us were too. Funny how that part got overlooked.

HTHokie93

Well

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

And so am I.

HTHokie93

There is a hell of a lot of pearl clutching going on in here. Sorry that your friend was made an example of for his habitual poor behavior.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

He got called out legitimately, and I support Joe for the temp ban. I'm calling out the rest of us that weren't acting well. And still aren't.

HTHokie93

When you say "the rest of us" are you including yourself??

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

Imma keep it real with you chief.

You should sit the rest of this out.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Honest question.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

And Fencer gave an honest response.

Question wasn't for Fencer (though I do appreciate his input). It was specifically for HT93.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

When chief gets pulled out

Bud/Wiles 2020

I down voted the initial post, yes. I will own up to that, and I stand by it because it was out of line, just as I've said several times. But as I started reading the comments, I did not like the 'pile on' mentality that was going on. And I commented on it too. Go take a look. My comments are still there...unedited. They even got some up votes.

It's easy to assume you've the high ground when there's a bunch of folks shouting the same thing, giving up votes, etc... I don't think that was a high ground. And I'm just fine if it's only me that's saying it. Vote me however you think is fair.

HTHokie93

You were not the only one saying it, bud.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I know, but you don't need the ire directed at you too. Thanks though.

HTHokie93

From my perspective on this thread, these recent interactions are more of dialogue & discussion (that include some disagreements & differences of opinions & perceptions). If there is any ire on here (which I won't discount), it ain't gonna come from me.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

Then we're good. I'd be happy to going back to being the long-suffering Hokie fan that wants nothing but the best for VT.

HTHokie93

Actually I'd be happier sans the long-suffering part. Keep in mind I had surgery (laparoscopic appendectomy) directly BEFORE the start of the dang season. That means 6-8 wks of no lifting more than 8-10 lbs (basically a carton of milk), drinking, working out (dad bod ref) or drinking. My wife's an RN & I sure as shit ain't arguing with her.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

Me too man. Wouldn't we all.

EDIT: I hope your recovery is going well and I certainly wouldn't advise arguing with her either. :-)

HTHokie93

and I never claimed to not have downvoted DC either. He was out of line and got called out and banned for it. The part that's being glossed over is that a lot of the rest of us were too. Funny how that part got overlooked.

Yes. Kinda like how you overlooked the comment I made in response to earlier about me trusting Joe on letting dcwilson40 out of the penalty box provided that he cleans up his shit & proceeded to downleg it anyways? Yeah, you're right. Pretty funny.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I have looked and can honestly say that I couldn't find the one you are talking about. Can you paste it so I can see it? If I was out of line I will withdraw the down vote and post a comment that I did so; or I will explain why I down voted it. Either way, I will clarify if you can point me to it.

Either way I'm glad you are ok with a temp ban. But if you follow the thread on up, this initially started with me down voting someone for calling DCWilson a vulgarity. And getting called a hypocrite (several times) for doing so.

And since we've been quoting from the community guidelines, let's take a look at this part:
"Please realize everyone is different, and treat all posters with respect."

Am curious as to where I've been disrespectful to you.

HTHokie93

I just found the post you were talking about. I didn't down vote it nor up vote it. I will reply to it if you'd like, though.

HTHokie93

Hah, that's ok. I presumed (incorrectly it appears) that you were dishing out the downlegs (which don't really irk me as much as it gave the impression that what I commented was being overlooked, ironically).

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

No prob - I did reply for whatever it's worth.

HTHokie93

I took yesterday off so I have been reading all this. I have read the back and forth with you and 07 and staying as open minded as possible. After going back and reviewing DC's OP I don't know how you can say he wasn't looking for a fight. This response isn't biased. To say what he said, how he said it, when he did - he should get blasted. While I'm sure people said things they regret and definitely got sucked in, he wanted a fight. I don't see how you can continue to argue otherwise.

There was an overreaction from the group, that has been established. Many downvotes were not warranted, I'll agree to that. Coming in hot the way he did was always going to get met with that kind of reaction on the heels of the worst loss in recent memory. I agree with a lot that has been said: if he phrased that as a question and started a discussion, he would have been met with resistance but this bomb never would have went off. They way he came in guns blazing, middle fingers to the sky: he got the fight he wanted.

I officiate at the high school level and I think this piece of officiating philosophy applies to a lot of situations I've found myself in: If a coach is asking a question respectfully: that warrants a respectful response to explain. If a coach is making statements: you don't have to respond at all as an official. Statements mean the mind is made up and there is no amount of explaining that will change it. DC came in hot with crass statements that he knew would get everyone fired up. We, as a community, would have been better off to not respond. We did, however, and DC got the explosion he was looking for.

Vols Fans are more delusional than LOLUVA

Hokie in Tennessee

respectfully disagree.

DC is not a coach. He's a fan. Fans react passionately and without measure. If you want to apply your coach analogy to DC then you need to apply it to everyone's comments. And A LOT of people here are having selective memories on their own posts after losses or in game day/venting threads. People have called for coaches to go fuck themselves, for players to be benched because they suck and on and on. This issue with DC was bait and the TKP mob bit hard. I agree DC was trying to elicit a response and provoke an angry crowd. But this was the same crowd that had been deriding his "Foster gets a pass" (myself included) over and over and over again. The amount of one sided perspective on this issue is ridiculous.

I agree DC was trying to elicit a response and provoke an angry crowd. But this was the same crowd that had been deriding his "Foster gets a pass" (myself included) over and over and over again.

He trolled the board. I mean, that's what happens when you troll the board when tempers are high.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I see nowhere in the Community Guidelines that says to follow those rules unless somebody is trolling the board.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

We're still taking about the downvotes, right?

The Key Play's Community Powered Moderation System
Turkey legs are a delicious, sobering, slab of meat on a stick. They're also The Key Play's karma currency and moderation mechanism.

Members can award them to each other by upvoting comments and forum topics. If someone posts a funny picture, witty reply, good statistic, something you like etc..., then upvoted and give them a turkey leg. Conversely, if someone flames, wages a personal attack or doesn't follow the community guidelines, then downvote. Do not downvote for disagreeing with someone's opinion. In general, upvote more often than you downvote.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I mean.... seriously. You honestly can't see it? The section you put in bold specifically addresses the "PERSONAL ATTACKS" against dc that got upvoted. This is not rocket science.

His post wasn't flaming anything. He was venting and posted a legit comment about what a sorry shitshow our defense was on Saturday.

His post wasn't flaming anything.

At this point, agree to disagree.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

And, for the record, I want to point out the hypocrisy in the fact that somehow these replies are generating downvotes in a rational discussion where you all are complaining about the way the community is handing them out lately.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I agree with you here. no downvotes from me Alum. we disagree but you're not breaking guidelines.

Its all good, I figured there was no way it was you. This has been a good talk, really... I just don't think we're going to see eye to eye on this, and that's ok.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

indeed, definitely ok to disagree and definitely no hard feelings on my side

What about Hard things Together?

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

So about this, honestly, how did that holographic snow get thrown off the holodeck?

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

Pretty sure the holodeck has isolated climate controls that can basically make any climate conditions called for, so while the horizon of snow, trees, mountains may be fake the snow you touch is real.

Yes, but we've consistently seen when you turn the program off in cases like this, everything disappears, even rain/snow.

What's the most interesting is when you have someone who took a swim in the holodeck, somehow their clothes stayed wet after. You see that a lot in the shows as well as with Worf/Crusher in Generations. Once they step out, the effects should be gone, but...

Then again, this is a show where warp travel happens in real time, so physics aren't exactly a strong suit.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

(see reply to wasnick below)

Well the holodeck uses replicator tech to make food and drinks on demand so that you can visit actual establishments, but anything environmental is a tough one to swallow. Even holographic snow would require real cold to keep it frozen, I assume. But where do the safety protocols take over? If you have a holographic Mt Everest, with the safety protocols on, will you freeze to death if you stay inside it? Does it monitor your life signs and discontinue the program if you go hypothermic? Or is it just nothing like the real Everest?

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

geez.... I am pretty sure Next Generation had some episodes where the safety protocols did fail and they were in real life threatening danger of getting shot with bullets ( a specific episode involving tommy guns, mobsters and picard comes to mind) or freezing to death and other things.

As i recall, the holodeck creates an interactive environment. Even with safety protocols on when you shake someone's hand you feel it. when you get punched you feel it. Like the Danger Room in the X-Men Mansion. As far as environmental controls it acts much the same way. At the point where something might physically interact with someone it is material and you feel it. Which is why you get wet when it rains in the holodeck but the rest of the deck isn't flooded.

But that's only in the confines of the Holodeck in general where the holo projectors are able to create mass out of energy. Once you step through the doors back into the hallway, those projectors are no longer in use, and the energy should disperse. This is why Moriarty in TNG had to have a special program created to keep him occupied, and why the Doctor in Voyager was confined to the Sickbay until the 29th century mobile emitter was acquired. Of course, something like a gunshot wound could kill in the Holodeck (like in First Contact) but the second you step out of the room, the bullets would dematerialize, leaving only the wound. Where the logic here falls apart is when showballs still keep mass, and things that get wet in holographic water remain wet outside the HD.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

hmm... I don't think that is correct. The snowball is materialized using replicator tech in the holodeck. At that point it is real snow, not holographic. So when Wesley throws it he is throwing a real snowball that can exist out of the holodeck.

See and that is where this just gets tough, because I agree to a point that the snow could be real. But I don't believe that it could produce it in mass quantity. So if you fall in a holographic ocean, are you falling into holgraphic water, where just enough is produced around you to actually soak you?

And don't even get me started on holographic rain. I can buy producing rain drops, but how are they making it fall at velocity of a drop that has been falling from thousands of feet in the air when they only have around a 30ft holographic ceiling?

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

haha... you're stretching my holodeck science degree. I'm a doctor damn't, not a holodeck engineer!

I don't think anything is produced in mass quantity. Where they interact with snow it is meant to be real snow. Where it really gets screwy is that things are both real and fake. For example, the snow they walk on is meant to be real but if they tell the computer to turn the program off all the snow immediately vanished including the "real" snow they were walking on.

This problem stays true for ANY water. Forget the ocean, just think of a swimming pool which is a common theme in the holodeck. Somehow they can dive into a swimming pool, swim through it feeling the wetness and resistance of the water, dive to the bottom of it's depth, get out of the swimming pool wet and then it all can disappear in an instant. And don't even get me started on the physics of being suspend in what amounts to be mid-air while in the swimming pool of fake, really wet water.

Short answer. I have no idea.

As far as rain drops and velocity. this is not difficult. rain rooms can simulate actual rainfall at any velocity and any amount.

Please keep this subthread going. I wanted to see how small the boxes could go on the ticket exchange thread with our old pal, but he ghosted me and never called me back.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

it's been done before, by me and Guitarman. It keeps going until you reach the right side of the page and then.... a magical horizontal scroll bar appears at the bottom and the comments keep going. But the comments eventually are all single letter width.

W
E

A
R
E

A
T

T
H
E

P
O
I
N
T

W
H
E
R
E

W
E

C
A
N

S
T
A
R
T

C
O
M
M
E
N
T
I
N
G

V
E
R
T
I
C
A
L
L
Y

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

RIP to anyone who is viewing this on their phones, by the way. The longer these comments go the more you have to scroll. Once you get to single letter per line category the really long posts that really don't say anything just become absurdly long to scroll past. And even worse. lack of spaces means determining words to be a frustrating experience. So, umm, good luck with that.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

STAY ON TOPIC FOLKS! This isn't a recruiting thread!
/S

Let's Go

HOKIES

SHUN THE NONBELIEVER. SHHHHHUUUUUNNNNNNNNUH

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Damn iOS safari mobile layout! I nearly thicc thumbed a downvote on your reply. No worries, you and nerf were properly rewarded with positive legs.

Let's Go

HOKIES

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Bud/Wiles 2020

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

And lets talk about what is really going on in those Holodecks.
- Riker tries bang Minuet
- Barclay makes holographic versions of female crewmembers you can only presume he bangs
- Geordi flat out gropes a holographic Leah Brahms in the holograpic Utopia Panetia
- Tuvok Pon Farr's a holograpic vulcan
- Janeway hooks up with that holograpic Irish dude (that she tailors to her liking)
- Quark basically says he has holosuite programs with happy endings

The holodeck is nothing but a futuristic sex toy

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

Along those same lines....

The floors of the holodeck must be disgusting

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Alum, come on man. Don't put that thing as your avatar...please. It's creepy. And outdated. And silly that they felt the need to unveil something so atrocious.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

lol I can't help it. I saw it appear on twitter and laughed for a good 10 minutes about it. Its so absurd its awesome.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

What even is it?

New Philadelphia Flyers mascot. Its so bad its good.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

That's just real life man. When there is a real holodeck the porn industry will have monetized it first.

A holodick, if you will?

I'll see myself out...

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

at that point everything is hollow.... everything.

The porn industry will have developed the technology.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

Aren't they already leading the charge in developing practical home use VR?

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Yup. PornHub is one of the biggest investors in VR development.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

A real life holodeck will be the last invention of mankind ever.

Because why would anyone leave?

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

only when we do ddp yoga

correct

He wasn't looking for a fight he was looking to rub people's noses in something he believes

I'm failing to see how that makes it any better.

It's not how he said it, its how people reacted to it.

This, this, so much this.

Short, boring story. I used to let a lot get under my skin, took a ton of stuff personally. People saw they could do it and get a rise out of me, so they did it. I reacted. They enjoyed it. I try to avoid these types of people generally, if at all possible.

There's a phrase that encompasses all of this pretty well: You can't control how people treat you, all you can control is how you react to it - or maybe it was - You can't control how people act, all you can control is how you react to it. Shorthand for: If DC said it in a way that irked you, it's up to you to be bothered by it.

Either way, it's helped me immensely in dealing with people who like to "poke the bear". Definitely provocative, possibly immature, probably assholes they may sometimes be, no one wins when everyone tries to escalate, then escalate again, then verge on revenge-seeking, and it leaves everyone with a bad taste in their mouths. And it recurs. Again and again and again. People just don't get over things as easily as we 'should'.

That thread, and what it turned into, was a great example of a general lack of emotional intelligence for a bunch of us. Let me google that for anyone who isn't familiar with it. Emotional Intelligence.

And the posts that he was fighting in deserved downvotes. But downvoting every single post in that thread is a misuse of the system. If the post did not violate community guidelines, then it is not deserving of a downvote.

One post says, "Liberty somehow managed to hold them under 700 yards of offense". It has 66 downvotes. Not a single one of those downvotes is merited. Is is snarky in context? Yes. But, outside of the context, it's a statement with a clear intent and doesn't do anything that violates guidelines.

His post after you told him to go fuck himself has 88 downvotes. It's actually the more reasonable post of the ones in that subthread. Nothing there deserving of a downvote. Maybe he's being a bit defensive. In the context of the entire thread, you might call it combative. But, in the context of that subthread, totally defensive. The irony is that your post only has 9 downvotes.

A lot of what took place in that thread is not community moderation. It's mob mentality. dcwilson got hit with loads of downvotes, while others also violating guidelines all got off easy. All because downvoting dcwilson was the popular thing to do.

I'm not defending the thread. It was ill advised. But the community should do better.

And the posts that he was fighting in deserved downvotes. But downvoting every single post in that thread is a misuse of the system. If the post did not violate community guidelines, then it is not deserving of a downvote.

This is not the first time the community has acted like that and it won't be the last. If someone steps that far out of line that it royally pisses the masses off like that, time and time again, every comment that person makes within the thread will get nuked like that. socalbuck, bender, starscream, hokiestone2006 all have had that happen. This isn't even the first time dc has had it happen to him.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

It was just bad timing all around for a post like that because EVERYONE was/is straight pissed about the loss.

If we somehow pulled that win off in the end after an ugly game I could easily still see him posting basically the same post because that is what he does. It probably would have been received a bit differently. Most people just saying "welp here is DC doing that thing he does"

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

I like the Turkey leg system but it's not perfect. There have been long time posters who have 25k Turkey legs and have knowingly posted things that violate the guidelines and openly invited downvotes because they are inconsequential to them.

Perhaps something along the lines of 25 downvotes automatically gives someone the penalty box for 24 hours. That way we are all accountable for the content we put on TKP, not just the new or infrequent posters. Plus it prevents these incidents because DC wouldn't have been able to continuously post more and more things to stoke the flames.

this is a wonderful idea and a salient point

Perhaps something along the lines of 25 downvotes automatically gives someone the one the penalty box for 24 hours.

If your goal is to avoid groupthink and encourage differing opinions, this might not be the best path to take.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Most of the time someone isn't catching a -25 post on accident, even if they're posting something that most folks on here disagree with.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Not now it isn't, but I've seen innocuous comments blur before, and the nature of downvoting opinions is only growing more vast despite the reminders not to do it (to the point where its just not worth fighting anymore).

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

How so? We don't downvote based on opinion.

lol, it happens a heck of a lot more than you think

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I respect your opinion, but I'm going to downvote you

Warning: this post occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors)..

your 100% correct

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

your 100% correct

Warning: this post occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors)..

I respect your opinion, but I'm going to downvote you

Lmao, I feel like this is steadily becoming a TKP thing like sarcastica font & #BUDGETSALLTHEPASSES

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

You have to be careful with those passes. If you spend them all at once, you'll regret it. It really pays to budget all your passes. #BudgetsAllThePasses

Warning: this post occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors)..

Yes, and my organization says we aren't schedule-driven.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

How so? We don't downvote based on opinion.

And it happens even moreso than those that participate in it will ever admit or fess up to.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

Hey, I have never, not once, downvoted French for his wrong opinion of cheese.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Not to mention, you're essentially creating even MORE work for Joe & he's already swamped.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

I feel like TKP could have done with an (un)expected server error for about 24 hours after that happening on Saturday.

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

I don't know. I think the venting helped people relieve some frustrations about the game. Without TKP, there probably would have been a lot more kicked cats or holes in drywall.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

If you're on the verge of doing either of those things over a football game you need to reevaluate your life.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Oh, not me, I didn't even watch the game. And it appears I forgot this:

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I meant the royal you. I'm sure you're a fairly measured person when it comes to watching a bad game.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Don't tell me how to act!

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Nah cats suck. /s kinda. I do hate cats but I guess we shouldn't kick them

Vols Fans are more delusional than LOLUVA

Hokie in Tennessee

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

First time logging on since Friday. Intentionally avoided it so I could get over the loss a little quicker. It helped, but damn I missed some shit!

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

This toilet hasn't even flushed yet, you're right on time.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

The greatest Christmas Movie of all time (settled by this community last year) always gets a leg from me ;)

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Uh, excuse me, however
DIE HARD is the Greatest Christmas film ever.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

I respect you, but I will downvote you for that.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

It's about time we moved on from trivial topics like foosball and started talking about topics like this that really matter on here.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Seriously. I just watched Home Alone with my kids and that's in the top 5 for sure. The plot holes make it that much better of a movie.

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

Home Alone 1 and 2 are two of my favorites. Comparing them to Christmas Vacation is like comparing Chocolate Chip Cookies to Chocolate Chip Ice Cream. I'm not sure how old your kids are, but I'd be interested to see what their generation thinks of Christmas Vacation now.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

6 and 8. Probably old enough to watch it but not quite to appreciate it. Home Alone was in their wheelhouse, although my son keeps calling everyone a filthy animal now...

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

Hey fellas what's going on in here... Nvm

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

Will dcwilson40 ever be let out of the penalty box?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

Yes.

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

Why wait?

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

We haven't played Captain Chinballs & his Chopblockers yet.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Nobody at work understands why I just randomly start laughing while staring at my computer.

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

Joe, a few comments up:

I reached out to him personally yesterday and it's not a permanent ban.

Warning: this post occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors)..

I missed it. To atone for my error: "dc wilson penalty box" anagrams to "a downy pillbox scent"

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.