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ESPN Playoff Eliminator

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What do you even say? The 49-35 loss at Old Dominion rates by FPI as the largest upset in 14 years of tracking such events in a game between two FBS foes. The Monarchs at kickoff had a 1.8 percent chance to win -- higher now than Tech's likelihood to win out and make the playoff.

I mean, ignore everything but the bolded. My friends, we're still in this thing.

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I would say there is still a slim chance Game Day comes to the 'Burg on 10/6 since that might be their only shot to get Notre Dame...maybe.

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@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Obviously we would have to beat Duke. But assuming our defense gets back on track (big ask after last week), we could be ranked again next week. The one time preseason poll bias helps us. That being said, and being a short term memory disillusioned homer.....

Let look at their options. There really isn't any other high profile games that week on the family of networks. The Red River Rivalry makes the most sense, but that's on Fox if I'm not mistaken. Could be LSU - UF if UF beats MSU this week. If MSU beats UF then Aub - MSU looks decent. I'm not sure which of those are on CBS or not. So we shall see.

Given what ND has remaining, and their love for Blacksburg, if we get by Dook, we could be it. Maybe.
(Please go 1-0 this week...)

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

(Please go 1-0 this week...)

I cannot imagine the tone of posts if we don't.

I saw we got the ESPN hold, too. Which I interpreted as it's still a real possibility they come if we can bounce back this week.

Vols Fans are more delusional than LOLUVA

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higher now than Tech's likelihood to win out and make the playoff

I don't really see this as any different than it was to start the season. We needed to win the ACC convincingly and probably still have another conference champion have a down year. I don't think that has changed.

We needed to win the ACC convincingly finish the season with one or fewer loss and probably still have another conference champion have a down year no more than 3 other P5 teams do so. I don't think that has changed.

FTFY, as the playoff committee has shown that they care less about conference championships than overall record. It's still possible, but it would require our exceptionally young team to play almost flawlessly for the next 9 games for it to happen.

While Alabama or Ohio State might get the benefit of the doubt and a spot with no conference championship win, I would not expect other teams to have that luxury.

My assertion for us decisively winning the ACC includes going undefeated to have any chance.

A two loss Virginia Tech won't make it unless Chaos reigns in college football no matter who our losses are against.

Obviously any chance at making the playoff requires us to win every remaining game. I even said "finish the season with one or fewer loss" as what was required even before the season, and stating that that has not changed, and would obviously result in an ACC championship if we pulled it off this season.

What I meant was, in any other random season, if we happened to go 12-1 with our only loss coming to Clemson in the ACCCG, or if we went 11-1 with a loss to Miami keeping us out of the ACCCG, and there are fewer than 3 other teams with 0 or 1 loss, we would have a very good chance of making the playoff. A 11-2 VT only makes the playoff if we see 2007 happen again, with VT having a better resume than practically all the other 2-loss teams.

Bruh, we arent OSU or Bama lol. VT is not getting into the playoffs with being a conference champ as well as having at minimu,m 1 loss. Or some sort of crazy shit during the season where every one has 2 or more losses.

I don't get what you're saying. In 2016, OSU went 11-1 but didn't win their division, but still made it in over 11-2 PSU, who beat OSU for the division championship and went on to win the conference. In 2017, the final spot came down to an 11-1 team that didn't even win their division and that same OSU team, who this time went 11-2 and won the Big 10 championship. The 11-1 team without a conference championship made the playoffs over the 11-2 Big 10 champs.

2015 was pretty cut and dry, as you had 4 P5 champions with 1 or fewer loss, and another with 2 losses. There wasn't a non-champion with fewer losses than any of the 4 teams that made the playoffs.

2014 was interesting, because you had 4 clear-cut P5 champions with 1 or fewer loss, and 2 "co-champs" from another conference that were each 11-1. The "co-champs" both missed, but yet again you didn't have any non-champions with fewer losses than any of the 4 teams that made the playoffs.

My point is, in a hypothetical world where Virginia Tech is 11-1 or 12-1, and there are only 3 other P5 teams that are 11-1 or better, Virginia Tech should be in the playoffs, barring some freak scenario where an 11-2 team ran some ridiculous gauntlet (like a 4-1 record against top-10 teams or something) and won their conference.

tl;dr: To make the playoffs, you have to be one of the 4 P5 teams with the fewest overall losses. In case of ties, they then begin to weigh factors such as strength of schedule and conference championships.

OSU and Bama have the prestige and media support. VT has neither in those situations.

I don't even think you know what you're trying to argue anymore.

A team like Bama and OSU will get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to not winning a conference championship. We will not. Dont patronize me. VT hwill be getting no help from anyone. VT has to win the ACC to get in. Full stop.

Respectfully, I think you're wrong, as I'm pretty sure a 1-loss non-ACC-champion VT would get in over a 2-loss OSU, barring some ridiculous circumstances. But, there's no way to know unless we see it, and in any case it absolutely can't happen this year. So, agree to disagree and all that?

Well, there is no way we only have one loss (already OOC) and don't make the ACC title game....so....

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The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

... I know. That's why I said

in any case it absolutely can't happen this year.

A 1-loss VT with wins over (at the time) ranked FSU, Duke, ND, Miami, Clemson and possibly others (BC could rebound) would definitely get in, even with the bloody nose of ODU on the resume. ND and Clemson would be Top 10 wins... at the end, people would possibly forgive the ODU loss if we ran it out.

A 1-loss VT when the ACC was garbage, like back in 2009? Nah, no way.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

The ACC is so much worse this year than 2009. That is a terrible comparison. This is one of the worst ACC's possibly ever with the exception of Clemson being elite.

The ACC is bad, no doubt... but somehow, we're still going to manage to have a schedule where somewhere like 1/3 of the teams we play were ranked when the game kicked off. Its going to end up looking like a tough schedule, all things considered.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Eh, Miami's loss to LSU looks much less terrible in hindsight, and it seems like FSU might be finding their footing. Not to mention that Duke has looked pretty good so far, and Syracuse and UVA have looked surprisingly decent.

The expected powers within the ACC might not be so great right now, but we're certainly in a much better place as a conference overall than we were in 2009, a year where there were 4 ranked teams at the end of the year, none higher than us at #10, and everyone had at least 3 losses.

Our OOC record as a conference so far is about as bad as it can get for a P5 conference so far this season. Most media sites have us ranked as the worst or second worst P5 conference this year through 4 weeks. Advanced analytics don't like the conference much more either.

Nah, the worst a P5 conference could get is worse than the AAC. As long as that hasn't happened I'd avoid the hyperbolic statements.

Also, you say "worst or second worst", which implies that there's another conference that looks just as bad (ie, the PAC-12), so it could easily be even worse for the ACC.

Thats fine. I dont mind you disagreeing, in fact, i enjoy different views. Just dont use condescention to try to discredit a differing opinion.

TIME TO THRASH THE DOOKIES THIS WEEKEND IN WALLACE WADE, ALSO KNOWN AS LANE STADIUM-DURHAM.

I hope the boys come to play!!

Let's not pull an fsu

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

Hearing we may still have a playoff chance like

If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous! With treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid...

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

T-shirt cannon you say...

Danny Coale Caught That Ball!!!

You are seriously killing me with that thing, but have a leg for persistence.

Somehow I feel that this graph may be needed again.

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This is obligatory in a thread like this, haha.

I can also read this as saying that they had more of a chance to win the game than we do of winning out and still make the playoffs. As in the other way that most people are taking it. But it's all about point of view I guess

If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous! With treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid...

I apologize, I can't understand what you wrote without a picture of a googley eyed but fear inducing mascot? Can you remedy that as soon as possible?

If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous! With treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid...

Thanks...that is much better. How will any other team even suit up?

Let's beat Duke!

There are wolves and there are sheep, I am the sheep dog

Well, it's not wrong. It technically is correct. That said, I'm gonna hold off until we neuter Notre Dame. As I said before, even if/should/when/whatever we beat Duke this Saturday, it won't make me feel any better. They'll just be doing what they're supposed to do.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
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I hope you're not wrong, but Duke is a top-25 team for a reason. They will not be a pushover. We may win. Hell, we might even win big. But Cutcliffe will ensure that we work hard for it.

And I'm not saying they won't be scrappy & belligerent, or that they will willingly take their beating like their supposed to. What I am saying is that (at least on paper & in the eyes of the country) our guys should have little to know trouble dispatching them. Their football program is NOT on par with ours. They continue to try & punch above their weight class. Beat them back into the irrelevance they belong. Beat them so bad that Cutcliffe is forced into retirement.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

Something something, ODU. Something, something, the game isn't played on paper. Something, something, they were who we thought they were!

If "the country" thought we were supposed to beat Duke, they'd be betting on us enough to flip the Vegas lines, but Duke is still a 5-point favorite. We lost any good will we had with the casual football fan the moment we lost to ODU.

Even so, I suggest taking a look at the preseason "advanced numbers" post. Before beating a FSU team that would eventually prove to be terrible and getting our expectations out of whack, we were only 4-point favorites against Duke. Not saying we won't win, but it was already likely to be a close game, and they've shown that they're better than they were expected to be.

I'm saying in the grand but generic scheme of things our football program is superior to them & theirs no matter how high above their weight class they punch. We have greater talent & depth. I do not fear Duke. I only fear our own incompetence.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
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We have greater talent & depth

Maybe not this year. Did you somehow miss the offseason?

We have depth... its just so young they're still recovering from the umbilical cords being cut

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

Well OSU did loose to us then go on and win it so sure, insert the dumb and dumber gif

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Yep, and the team they lost to wasn't exactly lighting up the scoreboard the rest of the year.

I look forward to JMU visiting Blacksburg to play the defending national champs on Labor Day next year.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

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If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

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My thoughts on our playoff hopes....even if we win out

you getting so close my man

If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous! With treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid...

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If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous! With treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid...

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If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous! With treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid...