Miss State DE Jeffrey Simmons tear's ACL in combine prep

and not a meaningless Bowl game. He tears it practicing for the combine, likely costing him significant 1st round money. Hate that for the kid, but goes to show you can get hurt in the game of football at any time- including conditioning drills- skewing the logic of skipping bowl games a bit, IMO.

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The comparison doesn't really work because yes, you can tear your ACL doing just about anything, including slipping on a sidewalk or planting your foot during a drill with no contact, but that doesn't mean you aren't still reducing your chance of a multitude of additional injuries, and high injury risk situations in general by skipping your bowl game.

Agreed. The only way to lower your chance of injury is to participate in less high risk activities.

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But then why not skip the whole season, or skip once your team loses 2 games, taking them out of playoff contention? I don't get why bowl games are more meaningless than regular season games for an out of contention team.

I don't believe we've seen someone skip CFP/NY6 games for draft prep, but maybe I'm wrong. The other bowl games just don't mean as much, and stepping aside mitigates your own risk of injury in addition to giving a teammate an opportunity to play.

Nick Bosa didn't skip a whole season, and had an injury at the time it was announced, but he left OSU in mid-October to prep.

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Years back, there was talk that Clowney might skip his final year at USCe

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Your team is 8-4 playing in the Goofy bowl. What does winning that game do for your season? What does it do for the team? What is more important to a top player, going 9-4 or $7,000,000 and financial security for life?

You could argue that the player skipping the Goofy bowl is doing more for the team by giving reps to a younger player to get them ready for the next season where they can go compete for something meaningful. If you are at USCe, your goal is to win the SEC East and more. Winning the Goofy bowl does nothing to improve or discount the season. Selling a first round draft pick to recruits and giving experience to other players makes the program better.

The decision belongs to each player as they earned the right to play in that game (before you argue why doesn't the coach sit all the seniors then) or to skip it.

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You aren't answering his question.

So, imagine you are that hypothetical player on that same hypothetical team, and let's go back in time a little. Let's start with a week. Let's say that 8-4 team was 7-4 and you've been out of the division race for most of the season. If you're a near-guaranteed 1st-rounder, why bother showing up for the last game of the regular season? How is that game "worth" more to you than the bowl game?

Let's bring it back even further. That eventual 8-4 team starts the year 4-3 after a rough stretch through their early conference schedule, and are already out of the division race. Are the next 5 games, which will determine nothing more than whether the team makes a bowl game or not, worth more than the bowl game itself?

At what point should a player quit on his team to focus on his draft stock? It seems to me like "before the bowl game" is a fairly arbitrary choice, but that's what everyone seems to be doing.

It seems to me like "before the bowl game" is a fairly arbitrary choice, but that's what everyone seems to be doing.

Disagree. There's a reason this is also the time when most head coaching turnover happens and it seems like a fairly natural point to reevaluate your individual situation to me. Additionally, many rivalry games are scheduled for the last week of the regular season and it makes sense those would have a lot more meaning to the team/players than the average bowl game.

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I mean if you want to really make a modest proposal out of this, you could argue that Trevor Lawerence should just sit out the next two years at Clemson.

But then the coaches don't keep him on scholarship, he doesn't get to train with the team and NFL teams don't get to see him actually play for 2 years. His value drops at that point. NFL teams want to see consistent production and a physically ready player. 2 years without playing or even a full season without playing is going to hurt any player's draft stock.

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I hear the AAF is looking for talent.

So is the XFL

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I could be wrong on this (so anybody feel free to correct me), but skipping the bowl also allows the player to declare for the draft and get an agent, which plays more into the angle getting ready for interviews, begin tailoring your training for the teams "most likely" to draft you. If playing in the bowl game is not going to improve your draft stock, then skipping the bowl game can be a better career move. Notice I didn't talk about avoiding injury at all; it may not be the larger factor in their decision.

Yes, this, thank you. I've never understood why a bowl game means less than a game when you are 5-2 or 7-4. If anything, the bowl game means *more* to the program (and to you personally) because there is more exposure and more at stake (winning a bowl versus beating so and so and going to 6-2).

People were saying that Trevor Lawrence should sit out all next season

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He would have to sit out two, as he is a true freshman.

But honestly, if he destroys college football again in the 2019 season, there is literally no reason for him to play a snap the following year. He will be the #1 pick and only risks hurting that opportunity.

I would not be surprised at all to see him do that if he plays excellent again this year. A high end agent will pay for his training with a nice insurance policy leading to the draft. And I wouldn't blame the guy, why put yourself at risk for some other entities market value?

And how about the first time a star player skips the playoffs, or his entire senior season, to save himself for the draft?

It's going to happen eventually, and as soon as it does that's going to basically relegate college football to exhibition status IMO.

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Juniors and RS Sophomores already go to the draft...

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Well I guess that part of my post wasn't very well thought out, was it?

Still, I think skipping "meaningless bowl games" is a slippery slope. If all players are concerned about is the NFL, then there's really no difference between regular season games, bowl games, or even the playoffs.

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Unfortunately a lot of people think that risk management = risk elimination. In reality it means exactly what it says managing your risk. Live contact in football is always going to be more risky than non contact drills.

If you can get hurt any time, anywhere, you might as well do less of it to avoid the risk of the injury if that's your goal. I don't think it skews the logic at all. If anything, it underscores the logic for taking yourself out of higher risk activities. More players get hurt during actual games than during combine prep.

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MISS STATE DE JEFFREY SIMMONS DOESN'T TEAR ACL IN MEANINGLESS

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Time and place. This one doesn't seem quite as trolly as... some of his other posts.

I don't understand why anyoe would downvote the OP. Bad format on the title and stuff, and not the most logically sound opinion, but at least it's a discussion. Doesn't violate any CGs.

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If we want to be pedantic here....

Provide a clear, sensible and descriptive title for your post. "Tyrod Taylor..." is not a clear descriptive title. "Tyrod Taylor to Play Entire Preseason Game" is.

The subject isn't clear, and reads more as click-bait than an attempt to start a discussion. I didn't downvote, but can see why others might have.

He could have named it "Miss State DE Jeffrey Simmons tears ACL in prep for combine" and then get into editorial commentary in the post. That would totally have been fine, people would then know what we are talking about. But the way this is created, its click bait to get people to look into the thread to figure out what it is about.

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Hopefully he took out insurance policy, with being that highly rated, he most likely did.

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That title/post format made me think I was on Le Saber for a second.

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Something we may see in the future is if the AAF or XFL allow younger players in their leagues (they may already?). This would make them essentially NFL minor leagues. Players could leave college even earlier (a Trevor Lawrence) and go get paid to play, and then the NFL could draft them or get them as FA once they are old enough by the NFL rules.

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I think that like the disastrous unwatched NBA G League, no true blue chip player will use these leagues as an NFL minor league. They will be like the G league- fringe NBA players, old guys trying to hang on... there are no "stars" in the G league.

The G League is a poor comparison for a few reasons:

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

The G-League is pretty terrible to watch but according to the NBA, roughly 56% of current NBA players have spent time on a G-League roster so it is a significant source for the NBA. There have only been a handful of minor stars to emerge from the G-League. Jeremy Lin, Hassan Whiteside, Danny Green, Shaun Livingston, Matt Barnes are the ones that come to me off the top of my head.

If the AAF guys do actually get paid, its pretty decent pay for a total of 10 weeks of the year. Salaries are said to be roughly $80K per season by way of three year, non-guaranteed contracts for $250K, plus health insurance and an educational stipend. Not enough to entice stars but still more attractive than driving a UPS truck.

Sorry, but this is basic risk management. Are you more likely to tear your ACL doing football-related activities or not? Since the answer is yes, then the best course of action is to skip the football-related activities that will not help you improve your draft position.

Can you try making an actual title instead of just puting the first half of your first sentence up there? This isn't TSL. All it shows in the Active Discussions tab is half a sentence.

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Only thing I feel bad for is that the kid doesn't have the option to remove his name from the draft, rehab the injury and put his name back in the draft the following year or sign as an undrafted free agent once healthy. Essentially with this injury, he wont get to fully participate at the Combine or a Pro Day and will likely fall rounds down, which means less guaranteed money and less stability and more pressure in terms of recovering from the injury.

I don't know about that. From the mocks I've seen, he's been going mid first round (several times to the Falcons, I might add), with commentary that if he should still be here, he'll be snapped up. It seems like character issues are keeping him down, and that his physical attributes are pretty well known at this point.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Yeah but now teams have to account for him likely missing most if not all of his rookie season, along with whether he comes back with the same burst and ability to penetrate the offensive line.

I agree with that. I was mainly commenting on this line:

Essentially with this injury, he wont get to fully participate at the Combine or a Pro Day and will likely fall rounds down, which means less guaranteed money and less stability and more pressure in terms of recovering from the injury.

I read this as saying he would fall due to not participating in the Combine or a Pro Day. I didn't consider that he might miss time his rookie year. (Or that he might come back with less burst.) My thought is that absent missing time or having a skills decline due to the injury, he probably wouldn't drop just due to missing the chance to showcase his skills. But you make a good point.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

The NFL tends to notice the guys who impress at the Combine. The Flat Tire Bowl or whatever MSU qualified for this year offered a swag bag with a really sick wristwatch or something.

I know which one I'd put my knees on the line for.

If you played in a major conference, there's already tape of you going against top-tier talent for teams to scout. A guy like Simmons wouldn't need the tape from a bowl game.

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