Buzzketball Central: Recruiting January

The pursuit of Qudus Wahab is picking up, especially now that Pitt missed out on Kofi Cockburn to Illinois. I think he is going to wait until signing day at this point to allow him as much time as possible to make his selection. He would be a great addition to the Hokies with his ability to handle the basketball both at the top of the post and around the basket. Think Blackshear without hesitation and the ability to dribble in the lane. He also plays clean defensively so Blackshear without the 2 or 3 bad fouls.

Buzz did recently put out an offer to Four Star 2020 Center Jonathan Aku, 6'10, 190 Lbs which makes him the second Center in the 2020 class besides Mark Williams out of Norfolk, VA That of course is barring Buzz pulling off a major recruiting steal with the interest Isaiah Todd is showing in the Hokies. Todd is the #13 player in the class of 2020 and was thought a solid lock to UNC until recently.

Another recent offer was to 2021 Wing Camron McDowell, 6'5, 180 Lbs

Interesting story on Andre Gordon, 2019, 6'2 Combo Guard from Huntington Prep who signed with Buzz in December. Gordon also was being pursued for a football scholarship as a Dual Threat QB, so Buzz is won out against two sets of coaches on this one.

Their has been alot of chatter that Buzz is close to gaining a commitment from Jalen Cone #83 in Class of 2020 as a Point Guard.

Now for the bad news, without a commitment by Wahab, it appears Buzz is out of current options on a big for the 2019 cycle. That doesnt mean he cant find a graduate transfer or JUCO player to try to fill the gap but its always better to get the four years from a player when possible. Power Forward or Center is really the only hole in the class as it stands now. There had been a glimmer of hope on a transfer

DISCLAIMER: Forum topics may not have been written or edited by The Key Play staff.

Comments

interesting news, thanks!

As of right now, there is only 1 player over 6-8 who is in the transfer protocol who will have immediate eligibility next season. 2* C 6-10 Collin McManus from Pennsylvania, per Verbal Commits

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

This made me think... If Buzz starts landing 5-star recruits like NAW, and (oh, please, please, please) Todd, why would he want to go anywhere else? A 5-star big? This could be the start of something wonderful.

In Bud we trust

$$$$

I would rather stay out of the one-and-done game.

Outside its night time, but inside its LeDay

Duke and Kentucky manage it pretty well

Buzz has previously said one and dones don't want to go here and he doesn't want to recruit them.

I think Buzz wants guys who are probably going to stay for 4 years so he can develop them into the best people they can be and have a long relationship with them. He doesn't just want to win, he cares about a lot more than that. And besides, the one and done teams usually collapse in the tournament. I'd MUCH rather have guys like Robinson and Hill who I can grow to love for 4+ years than someone to come in and dominate one year and then leave with little attachment to the school.

Thats just not factual. There's not a coach in the country who would turn down RJ Barrett or Zion just because they are only going to be in college 1 year. We just cant get them consistently here. If you see a one and done kid with family ties (think Andrew Wiggins and FSU in 2013 even if he didn't end up there) I guarantee we will pursue them all out.

Wait, Ender almost went to FSU? I thought he went to Battle School.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

He still had eligibility left after attending Battle and Command schools....

🤓

Let's Go

HOKIES

I don't think Buzz would turn away a 1 and done if the player would help push us over the top. He just didn't want to build a foundation upon 1 and done players like what Cal did at UK and what Coach K is doing at Duke. He wants a foundation of excellent 4 year players who allows us to continue playing at a high level year after year, and once we're ready, we'll absolutely welcome in a couple one and dones if they make the team better.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

But this years Vt team is absolutely ready and with a 5* big would be a monster....next years team may be without its top 3 guards....

When it comes to VT, the one thing I tend not to worry about is finding excellent guard play. Ever since Greenberg brought in Zabian Dowdell and Jamon Gordon in 2003, we've been able to find something that works well at the guard position.

Between Nolley, Bede, and Wilkins, I think we're going to be just fine.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

Not so sure about that, since we have yet to see Nolley play, and Bede isn't exactly lighting it up. Wilkins has been a pleasant surprise, and hopefully he'll continue to develop with added experience. We're going to need those freshman guards next year, trust me, especially if the NCAA continues to mess with us regarding Nolley's eligibility situation.

"That man was violating a city ordinance, and I was just doing my duty to enforce it." - Mike Curtis

"You boys in there smokin' rope?"-Johnny Unitas (circa 1973) to his San Diego Chargers teammates

I'd MUCH rather have guys like Robinson and Hill who I can grow to love for 4+ years than someone to come in and dominate one year and then leave with little attachment to the school.

I'd rather win championships.

I think our roster this season is one elite big away from being a legit championship contender. Hopefully one of these years we can land an Isaiah Todd to complement Buzz's never ending supply of excellent guards.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

Idk, nothing we have done this year really suggests that to me. Just take away the preseason hype and the ascension to a high ranking. Just watching the games I can tell we aren't close to being a contender yet.

I don't like the all eggs in the Wahab basket, as I feel like we could get stranded with a void in the lineup for several years. With only 5 guys on the floor, recruiting misses hurt a lot more in basketball.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

I think getting a big in the '19 class is paramount. Having to lean completely on a TF after KBJ is gone won't be a good thing IMO.

Is it basketball season yet?

Cockburn, great last name or greatest last name?

Most people pronounce it co-burn. I don't.

"It's always great to beat UVA, that makes us all smarter and better looking for a couple days".

I posted in another thread but Atticus Taylor recently took his official visit. He is a 6'7" JUCO wing with a 7'2" wingspan putting up great numbers (18 and 14 shooting 39% from 3) this season at his JUCO. He has a good shot and looks like a great fit. He isn't the center people are dying to get, but he looks good to me. 3 years of eligibility left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9KXtUy3W4M

Now that's a Buzz type of player.

Aku to VT? I like it.

via GIPHY

I am here for this content

@Fightin_Gobbler

Go Hokies

Go Falcons

Re: a big for 2019 - Would be nice to have a Fr big to work with Blackshear for a year, but realistically if Clarke is back to go with Nolley (6-7) and Horne that's better shape than we're in this year post wise.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

that might be more of an "ideally if" than a "realistically if". no sauces, just that i've learned not to assume the best of eligibility/suspension outcomes.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Nevertheless, Gultekin and Miller are incoming freshmen at 6'7" and 6'6"

Nolley would have already sat out a year- is there any reason he would not be eligible? Anyone know?

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Clarke is the question mark

Nolley's GPA is too high, making him academically ineligible. If he's that damn smart, maybe we should just start grooming him to be Buzz's successor right now.

"That man was violating a city ordinance, and I was just doing my duty to enforce it." - Mike Curtis

"You boys in there smokin' rope?"-Johnny Unitas (circa 1973) to his San Diego Chargers teammates

I never thought in a million years that we would be a better basketball school than Georgtown, Pitt, Syracuse and UConn.

Considering our need for a future big ....Qudus could conclude that he'd be a big part of the future success at VT. Put a check in our advantage column.

JP

My only problem with Buzz's recruiting is it seems like we put all eggs in one basket for a big man, and if he doesn't commit, we are left scrambling, move onto another big man and then put all our eggs in that basket.

I get the whole "our kind of guys" mantra, but our lack of big man recruiting is making the departure of KBJ more serious by the day. If we don't land someone in 2019, (assuming KBJ comes back for senior year), our starting "bigs" will be someone 6'7" or shorter, or a true freshmen.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

Qudus Wahab's High school team, Flint Hill, has four players 6'8 or taller right now and the Hokies cant seem to manage more than one at a time.

Buzz is very particular in what he looks for in a big man. There are not a ton of guys 6'10"+ who have the feet he looks for to run his offense. And a lot of the ones who do, play in the NBA, at Kentucky/Duke/Kansas, or don't have the overall offensive skill level he looks for. We're never going to trot a designated dunker (think Jack Salt) out there unless necessity strikes (Khadim Sy). Buzz wants someone who can at least threaten a mid range j, put the ball on the floor a bit, and run the floor. I admire how he sticks to his guns on this but he either needs to start winning some recruiting battles or be stuck with smaller than desirable bigs.

I think now that he's proven what he can do by building us up from a dumpster fire he will start winning those battles. It's a great system to learn in if you want to go to the league. You won't be buried in the post or doing nothing but set high screens

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

I agree with you on what Buzz might be looking for, but also think there are a ton of 6'-8"-6'-9" guys like this out there (certainly better than the 6'-5" option that we have for a big man right now when Blackshear goes out). I for one wouldn't want a Jack Salt kind of guy whose game is very limited to setting screens and planting his feet in the paint on D.

Is it basketball season yet?

You're right, but again, those guys are in high demand. And a lot of those guys want to be wings so that they have a chance at the next level.

Warning: this post occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors)..

I don't disagree with anything you said but it's one thing to stick to your guns and find players that fit your system, but it's another thing to be a season and a half away (maybe half if KBJ leaves early for whatever reason) from having your tallest player be 6'7".

They don't need to be 6'10" or taller, but get someone that is at least 6'8 or 6'9 who has a prototypical forward body/height that can match up with our opponents bigs.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

If we landed Wahab, would Buzz also take Jaden Bediako?

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Bediako committed to Santa Clara on 12/11/18 per his Twitter. Don't think we have been very involved since last summer.

Qudus Wahab announced tomorrow, many people are saying it is down to Georgetown and Pitt and most likely going to be Georgetown. Not good for Buzzketball future, lets hope we find another Center for this class if we can't land Wahab

Yeah it didn't seem like he was a lean here ever but was hoping we could breakthrough based on need. Agree we need another big to help out Kerry next year. Atticus Taylor is probably as good as we our gonna get. 2020 we are going to need someone like Mark Williams to be a ready to play big when Kerry's gone.

Bad news...but excellent reporting. A leg for you sir.

JP

This is terrible news. Its hard to argue with the success Buzz has had, but I feel like team is way out on paper thin ice. Without shooting 45% from three, I don't see how we beat FSU or Duke and I really worry about the next two years and the giant void that will be left when Blackshear runs out of eligibility. I think our program has a lot of tools in the bag to be top 25 going forward, but all of that goes down the shitter when KBJ gets 3 fouls. Was really hoping Buzz was going to nab a replacement in this recruiting cycle.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Am I the only one who doesn't think we need Wahab? Look, I'll be glad if we get him and I'll support him 100% if he surprises us and commits to VT. But watching his highlights, I don't see him as an ideal fit. We either need to look for

a) another KJ, which is borderline impossible because almost no high school big men have his skillset
b) an athletic big who can run the floor like class of 2020 Mark Williams from Norfolk, who we are recruiting

Based on what I've seen, I'm not sure Wahab is either one of those (of course, I hope he commits and proves me wrong). Small ball works a lot better than people give it credit for too. You don't even necessarily need a center in today's game.

But you can't allow yourselves to become undersized, and this is a recurring problem with Buzz teams. A lot of the conditioning and shooting and ball movement advantages we have are being negated because we just don't have size down low to contest shots. Nolley and Horne now being out only exacerbates what was already a problem, and its a worry for the future that we can't seem to quite turn that around.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

Flip side being a buzz is a great recruiter and he can offer almost an immediate starting position to Isaiah Todd

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

We aren't getting Todd. Just not realistic

Whatever we end up with, I'm sure that Buzz has done his absolute best job to do what is best for this program. I don't care if it's Wahab, I don't care if it's a guy like Mark Williams in 2020, I don't care if it's nobody at all. Buzz has done his best. Also, recruiting is a two way street. This isn't the NBA draft - the players get to pick where they go. For one reason or another, bigs don't seem to like to come here. Maybe it's because we like to play small, maybe it's because most bigs probably couldn't play the up-tempo style that we like to, who knows? But I have faith in Buzz and I won't be devastated if we miss out on Wahab, which we probably will.

What I will say, however, is that I don't like traditional centers at all because it is an outdated position. Take Chukwu from Syracuse - most people would love a recruit like him because he's tall, but our guys were better, even when KJ was on the bench.

agreed. We have absolutely gotten the best out of what we have. And our recruiting has been better under Buzz than it has been in a very long time.

I just wish we could get a little more size. Its really all that's standing between us and being a legitimate perennial power in this sport.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I saw what I assumed was a recruit at the game on Saturday. Took some photos with fans. One of the tallest kids I have ever seen.

Best Case Scenario for 2019

"Points": Wabissa Bede, Jonathan Kabongo
"Guards": Anthony Harris (at 100%), Andre Gordon, Isaiah Wilkins
"Forwards": Landers Nolley, Chris Clarke, P.J. Horne, Emanuel Miller, Yavuz Gultekin
"Centers": Kerry Blackshear Jr.

Buzz manages to flip two high level prospects

Worst Case Scenario for 2019

"Points": Wabissa Bede, Jonathan Kabongo
"Guards": Andre Gordon, Isaiah Wilkins
"Forwards": Emanuel Miller, Yavuz Gultekin
"Centers": Kerry Blackshear Jr.

Anthony Harris and P.J. Horne can't come back from their respective injuries, both end up taking medical redshirts. Nolley is still inelgible. Clarke never comes back. Buzz ends up with his dick in his hand from a recruiting standpoint, maybe gives scholarships to walk-ons or rolls the dice on transfers.

Honestly, the starting five in the best case scenario (Bede, Harris, Nolley, Clarke, KBJ) is really solid. The floor is really fucking scary.

Worst case could probably include KJB taking his degree and figuring worst case is making some Euros like his dad did.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

I want Atticus Taylor in the mix too, especially if there's no Clarke. I try not to get invested in recruits, but i'm so sold on this guy. He is the perfect fit for our team.

Also, you're really worried about PJ Horne's health for next season? We're 9 months out and he's not even in a brace.

Best case would also have NAW in there, I'm not 100% sold he goes pro after this year. If he is translating into being a PG in the NBA in might be in his best interest to come back and be our starting PG next year. Now, if he gets first round grades when the season is over, then I'd say he's gone but who knows if that will happen.

"And guess what, you've wandered into our school of tuna and we now have a taste of lion." -Allen Gamble, The Other Guys
@Doooougie07

Not a chance NAW returns. He's a first round lock.

Is it basketball season yet?

Possible lottery pick at that.

He hasn't looked phenomenal since JR5 has been out and he's been the primary ball handler....

I'm hoping that catches the eye of scouts, his stock drops, he sticks around one more year, and everyone wins....

VT Marketing Class of 2009
Current Roanoke-Hokie
Go Hokies!

Going to assume you just forgot the /s because I think many would argue that nobody wins in that scenario

We win cuz we keep NAW another year...
We win cuz we win a lot more games...
NAW eventually wins cuz he comes back another year and improves his stock, still gets drafted...
NAW mini wins cuz I see us in the Sweet 16 if he's back..

VT Marketing Class of 2009
Current Roanoke-Hokie
Go Hokies!

I think those are fair beliefs to hold of the hypothetical situation, but they're all just that... hypothetical.

If he declines so much that he's no longer a projected draft pick, we don't know that he'll be any better (again without 5) next year. We don't know that that will directly translate to more wins. It could prevent the flock of young players from seeing as much floor time, which may translate into slower development.

The closest thing to a sure thing in this whole scenario is his draft stock right now. Assumptions about next year can change a lot of things, but we all know far too well how fragile (academic, behavior, injury) an athletes ability to see the floor, and consequently get paid at the next level, can be.

Him progressing into a draft/lottery pick this year should (an assumption) pay dividends for our recruiting efforts of the highest caliber players on the market.

I agree that he hasn't looked great since 5 went out. But the NBA scouts see what they see. He's a first round lock regardless of what we see/think.

Is it basketball season yet?

So I've heard that NAW's likely position in the NBA is PG? Since 5 has been gone, here are his numbers as I assume he's increased his time playing the point (I'm sure Bede has picked up the majority of Robinson's minutes, but I'm guessing not all of them).

13.7 PPG
5 REB
2.3 AST
1.3 STL
0.44(!!!) AST to TO ratio

It's inarguable that he's had better games and stats with 5 on the floor (same with pretty much everyone whose name isn't KBJ), but those TO numbers are a bit concerning. Especially if his expected role is a primary ball-handler initiating the offense at the next level, likely without another great-to-elite ball handler like 5.

He still passes the eye test though as a first round pick due to his upside and athleticism (still explosive off the dribble, a solid 3PT-shooter, and has dropped his fair share of dimes), but if his production continues to dip I wouldn't be surprised if projections slide him to the 2nd round.

I doubt that he'll be a PG. There are so many true PG or lead ballhandling combo guards available that I don't think a team would try to force him into that role. A lot of teams use multiple ballhandlers, and he could be the secondary ballhandler, but I think it'd be more in a role like Bradley Beal or CJ McCollum.

Outside its night time, but inside its LeDay

I'm not 100% sold he goes pro after this year.

Really? I don't know if you have looked but every mock draft has him in first round and a lot of them have him as a lottery pick as well.

I hear what you are saying in terms of transitioning into a PG but its probably also in his best interest to get his money.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

And what if he ends up not being a great PG next year for us? I would imagine that would hurt his draft stock.

I love NAW, and he is smooth with skills, but he doesn't have the kind of explosion that I think of for NBA lock. Admittedly, I watch very little NBA but I guess I'm confused as to why he's a lock and JRob likely won't have a shot... what do NBA gurus see that my eyes can't?

Height apparently

yup. everybody's taller in the NBA. Guards Robinson's size need elite quickness on offense and defense to make up for it. He's quick, but mostly on O and not really NBA level in my layman's opinion. He is plenty good to dominate in a Euro league though.

NAW is 4" taller (wouldn't be surprised if it's actually 5-6") and a superior shooter despite being 3 years younger than Robinson. Both can create their own shots which makes them the best players on our team; however, NAW has the size to finish against NBA size/length and while Robinson is elite at getting to the basket, I can see how he might have problems finishing around the him in the NBA.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

FTFY

Worst Case Scenario for 2019

"Points": Wabissa Bede, Jonathan Kabongo
"Guards": Andre Gordon, Isaiah Wilkins
"Forwards": Emanuel Miller, Yavuz Gultekin
"Centers": Kerry Blackshear Jr.

Anthony Harris and P.J. Horne can't come back from their respective injuries, both end up taking medical redshirts. Nolley is still inelgible. Clarke never comes back. Buzz ends up with his dick in his hand from a recruiting standpoint, maybe gives scholarships to walk-ons or rolls the dice on transfers coaching the Texas Longhorns.

sad leg

I haven't seen enough good things from Bede to call him solid yet. Dude just doesn't look very smooth, and scares me when he has the ball. After seeing him at the free-throw line today, he reminds myself of me playing JV ball, and I wasn't very good.

"That man was violating a city ordinance, and I was just doing my duty to enforce it." - Mike Curtis

"You boys in there smokin' rope?"-Johnny Unitas (circa 1973) to his San Diego Chargers teammates

Yeah Bede doesn't do a ton for me. Just not dynamic enough with the ball. The wildest stat to me is that he has now only shot 7 free throws on the year as a primary ball handler. He's a good defender and spot up shooter, but I think Gordon is going to need to be ready to go next year.

On top of Gordon we likely need to hope Harris is past recovery and a full go as well.

Quit cussin

Well if Buzz would land some Bigs, I would have a lot less to cuss about!

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

I know Buzz and Fuente are different personalities, but this is the kinda of stuff I have mentioned is imperative to do going forward to show transparency in the football program. Hire a good videographer and capture some of the raw but meaningful moments all throughout the year to give fans that "connection" to Coach Fu and the program. Even if Fu doesn't give the same type of speeches, hearing similar things would I think qualm alot of the frustration from the fan base.

I've always wondered what Fu could do if he had Buzz's personality.

Using /s is for cowards.

WOW! I love the Get Better vids. BUT this is epic

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Just a note of interest, 2020 G Jalen Cone hopes to announce his decision before his senior season starts

He may be a bit undersized, but I love love love his game. Kid is a baller.

Frank Mason is 5-10. If the kid has the talent, I'm in.

Outside its night time, but inside its LeDay

Kid can thread needles with a basketball. Unbelievable ability to start and stop. Only area that may need a little work is the jump shot but that's a fairly common trait for guys that have been surrounded by scorers and their primary expectation has been to help create.

It would great to see the Cone and Kihei Clark battles at PG. Both small guys that can ball.

Recruiting notes

#1: Andre Gordon has absolutely insane athleticism. I'm really excited about him.

exhibit A:

exhibit B:

#2: JUCO Atticus Taylor's 247 was recently updated and VT is now listed as his only "warm" school, they were all "cool" last I saw.

I really love athletic ballers, can't get enough of them. But we NEED a big, bad. Taylor would be a great addition to this class, so would someone over 6'8''.

Embrace the small ball. Evidently bigs don't want to play here anyway.

This gets beaten to death EVERY SINGLE buzzketball thread. Yall... we were a top 10 team before our star freshman got ncaa'd, Clark had his deal, and jrob + Horne got hurt. We are still top25 with a high seed in the tourney despite losing 4 major contributors.

We good

Keep calm, Gobble on

I think the point above is that we need another Big. Blackshear is gone after the 2019/20 season, and it would be nice to have someone coming in next year to get some minutes.

Is it basketball season yet?

I'm right there with you man. I'm just as optimistic as the next guy about this year and next for Hokie bball. But that still doesn't take away from the fact that we need someone to backup Blackshear. We're one ankle turn or knee buckle away from a lineup that features everyone under 6'8''. Other than that, I love who we have coming in, and love what we have now.

This is hoping blackshear stays next year. With 5 out he's looking more and more like a player that may decide to go get paid next year. Hope he has a girlfriend that isn't in line to graduate soon.

Future recruiting has nothing to do with this year. It gets beaten to death in EVERY SINGLE buzzketball thread because it is an issue. With no one beside KJ on the team or in the 2019 or 2020 classes currently over 6'7", we have a big problem looming down the road. When KJ is resting on the bench or in foul trouble, the lack of size is clearly apparent in the results. We need more than 1 big on the team. No one is saying we need to run the old fashion G,G,F,F,C line up but we need depth and eventually a single body that can defend the rim and other teams big men.

And to your point, we are barely hanging on beating the worst teams in the ACC without JRob. We are only a high seed because of the resume before he got hurt. Without him, we are an average team. We were a top 10 team before all of that happened but we were/are a sprained ankle of KJs away from being an NIT quality team.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Give it a rest. In the 2019 class, VT gave offers to 18 power forwards and 14 centers. These guys just don't want to play here. Even the ones that come (Sy, Hamilton, Pierce) just leave anyway. Our style of play does not suit traditional big men whatsoever. The only ones who fit are guys like KJ who is extremely skilled. And there are almost none of those in high school basketball. KJ only is skilled because he grew up in Spain. Why would a big man play here when he can go be the focal point of an outdated offense that still wants to play with a center somewhere else?

KJ is excelling because he is very skilled but anyone with basic post moves can be successful in our offense. Our style of play works great for a big guy, we put 4 guys around the arc and let him go 1v1. What else could you want? Your arguing that we don't need a big guy on the roster? Guys leave because they don't want to put into the program what Buzz demands, not because of the style of play.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Johnny Hamilton, who got an NBA contract, could barely even see the floor on our team. He wasn't even impressive when he played. But he leaves and boom he is productive (for a worse team). Our system is not fond of traditional centers. A static offense of 4 guards and a big who can only stand in the post does NOT work. They need to be active and skilled like KJ. It opens things up so much more when they can step out and shoot and make great passes from the free throw line. The overwhelming majority of high school - collegiate big men can't do those kinds of things. Also, most bigs aren't good at running the floor.

Yes, I'm clearly somewhat biased against bigs but that's really just a tangent. Like I said we offered loads of bigs. They just don't want to play here. Maybe it's because of the style of play, maybe it's because most bigs are lazy and couldn't handle boot camp. I don't know.

I agree with NickVT10, we don't need 2 bigs on the floor at the same time, but we need a big who can back up the starter for 5-15 mpg, and our lack of one is a direct result of recruiting misses. PJ Horne is good, but he is 6-4, 6-5 in big shoes. I thought Sy had great potential, but Buzz is not the easiest coach to play for and it seems like he didn't want to buy in. I liked Hamilton, but he couldn't play defense and was out of his league in the ACC, however he seems to be doing better in the open court and developmental patience of the G-League. Pierce never did anything for us or for PSU and is no longer at PSU. We have a great one in Blackshear, but you can see his fatigue show against bigger, deeper backcourts.

To your argument on style of play, our system is similar for big men to NBA systems in which most recruits aspire to play. We ask the big man to run the floor and be able to pass and shoot along with playing in the post. We run a lot of pick and rolls, handoffs, and high post distribution with similar switching and hedging pick and roll defensive techniques. However, like you said, there are not many high school bigs who can do these things, although there are more now than in the past. These things take work, but Buzz needs to find guys who are willing to work, and he has failed to do that even with a very uncrowded front court.

Outside its night time, but inside its LeDay

Buzz needs to find guys who are willing to work, and he has failed to do that even with a very uncrowded front court.

What a load of BS. He offered 32 big men for the class of 2019!!!! They just don't want to play here, Buzz is doing his job. This isn't the NBA draft, you can't force them to come here. Oh and by the way, LeDay was basically the same size as Horne at like 6'5" ish. I love when armchair experts think they actually know better than Buzz. He knows what he's doing.

Believe it or not, I too would have actually liked a big for the upcoming recruiting class if we found one who fit the style of play and would be available and willing to come here, but the cards didn't fall that way so I don't understand why people are just beating the dead horse over and over again.

Hopefully some of the bigs Buzz is talking to now are seeing what KJ is doing on the court.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Horne is listed at 6'5" Leday was listed at 6'7" I believe.

I love when armchair experts think they actually know better than Buzz. He knows what he's doing.

We are agreeing with Buzz since he offered 32 big men. He knows he needs some! I know that they need to want to come here and I didn't say Buzz wasn't trying. I have just said that we need a big man in the upcomming class or we will have BIG problems down the road. I don't see what you are trying to argue here. Putting 5 guys out there 6'7" or below for an entire season will be disastrous for us. We will not advance in the NCAA even if we make it there.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

marquette made it to the elite 8 under buzz with devante gardner as a 6'7" center

Sure but Buzz also had starting NBA talent at two spots on that team and a third NBA bench guy in another. That goes a long way to mask a height issue. They also got favorable draws in the tournament.

favorable draws are needed for any team that isn't a 1 or 2 seed, in my view

the point is it can be done, as it has been with other teams besides buzz coached teams, and we don't need traditional centers to be successful in the acc or the ncaa tournament

except this isnt all true. Buzz had BJ Mack committed and decided to part ways with him to try to upgrade the spot and now we are short bigs again

I mean it's possible to do lol. We were good enough to win a tourney game in 2017 with LeDay at center who Buzz has said on multiple occasions is more like 6'5" or 6'6" even tho he was listed taller. Unfortunately we faced an 8 seed Wisconsin who should have been a 4. If we got a fair shot, we would have won a tourney game that year imo. Ideally we have a guy or 2 like Blackshear, but if we end up being small that's okay as long as our small guys are talented. And if we keep getting guys like Clarke and Outlaw who are great rebounders at 6'5" or 6'6" that helps big time

Yep. And KJ was a 6'8" wing when we offered him.

KBJ was a Power Forward when we offered him.

KBJ

Is it basketball season yet?

You're talking about us winning league games home and road by 6-10 points as the tell to us being 'average',.... hmmmm.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Without him we have won games against some of the worst teams in the ACC by 6-10 points and then lost to the middle of the pack Clemson team. I would consider that average. Not all league games are equal.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Average in the ACC is still pretty good and much better than we've been in recent years. It's tough to lose one of the best guards in VT history and not take a step back. Hopefully 5 can come back in time to have an impact in the ACC and NCAA tournaments.

I agree that it would be impossible to lose him and not take a step back. My point was the impact losing one player can have. We lost someone that we have back ups for and took a step back, as expected. Now if we lost KJ to an injury where we have 0 back ups for, we have a big problem on our hands.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Yes, if Blackshear was to get injured, we would have "a BIG problem". Well stated..