McMillian: "It was not a good fit"

Travon McMillian did an interview ahead of the NFLPA Collegiate Bowl about his time at Virginia Tech and how he sought Frank Beamer's advice for which post-graduate bowl to play in. It's neat that Beamer is still helping out his former players and Hokies. McMillian also touched on why he transferred to Colorado.

"[Beamer] is the one who brought me to Virginia Tech and came to my high school when he was recruiting me," McMillian said. "He believed in me my freshman year. When your coach believes in you, you have to believe in him. I have great respect for any advice he gives."

"It was not a good fit," McMillian said. "I could not get in a groove. I felt like my [NFL] stock was dropping if I didn't make a move."

"I was the first at practice and the last to leave and never complained," McMilian said of his time with Fuente. "We did not see eye to eye."

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But a good sense of awareness!

We put the K in Kwality

Personally, I didn't think it was that bad.

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Oddly enough, this makes me feel worse about the original post

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Always a Hokie.

Amen!

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Wow I miss that team

Its terribly unfortunate, but thats how these things go when you have a coaching transition.

Honestly though, I'm way past being ready to hear about how the players and staff are meshing together rather than this kind of stuff.

Is it basketball season yet?

Then why did you decide to click on the thread??

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Cmon, its TKP!!

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Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

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It wouldn't have been a thing until Travon made it a thing.

That's negativity bias for you. When things are working well and a good fit you don't hear about it as often.

Don't blame him one bit. I believe Fuente should've tried to work better & utilize him more. Points & yards are more important from a tailback rather than blocking.

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He'd better learn to block if he's going to play in the NFL.

If you don't have the ball as an RB, you better be protecting the person with the ball or working to get it. Standing around letting your QB get blown up will get you run off a team quick these days.

Travon is a good kid but saying that he was first at practice and the last to leave is pretty funny

I do recall that he wasn't exactly the first guy to earn his stripes during conditioning.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

Borderline hilarious comment. Smart, good kid with a lot of ability, but the cliche' first in last out profile didn't apply. I hope that the change helped him find success though. He will do well in whatever he does in the future.

Start player. Sneaky athleticism

A real student of the game.

Makes sense, I hear he's a coach's son. He's also deceptively fast... or is that Willis?

No no you miss understand, at Colorado he was first in last out, but by judging on their season, he could have gotten there at noon and left just past 4.

No no you miss understand, at Colorado he was first in last out, but by judging on their season, he could have gotten there at noon and left just past 4:20.

FTFY

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I was trying to imply that without beating people over the head with it.

Obvisouly it didnt work, but that's on me.

It's all hearsay, so I doubt anyone on TKP knows the real deal. But agreed, it doesn't jive with what other sauces have said.

You know who never says "I was the first guy in, last guy out?"

The actual first guy last guy.

Because he doesn't need to say it. Everybody already knows.

Edit: removed "usually".

Probably a coach's son. Real gritty guy.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Real gritty guy.

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Because he usually doesn't need to say it. Everybody already knows.

I'll take Sam Rogers for $1,000 please.

Using /s is for cowards.

Sam Rogers comes and goes exactly when he means to.

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-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

He's great at being a running back that runs, and someone will give him a shot in the league. But damn, I don't think he ever could pass block or hold a block. Sure couldn't at Colorado. Maybe that's why Sam Rogers and Steven Peoples passed him his final year here.

In Leoffler system, he'd never really have to worry about that. He would line up and run through the hole. He got 1000 yds out of it, too. Watching BC's backs this year definitely showed that.

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Wasn't there a rumor going around that he also tried to get with the girl who got CJ Reavis kicked out of school? That might have also played in his decision. Tough to be around 100 other people for most of the day who don't respect you.

Marshall University student.
Virginia Tech fanatic.

Still can't block.

Good for him. He made the right choice for him and as a one time Hokie hope he succeeds moving forward. That said, this is neither the first nor the last time a player has not been a good fit when a new coach arrives on the scene.

100%. ...Or even discovered later on that they might not be a good fit.

For some reason this thread made me think of Josh Stanford (maybe the cold weather thing). I looked him up...he's playing in the CFL (since 2016). Has played in 24 games and has 23 catches for about 200 yards. Would've thought he would be really good in that league. Also funny, his college is Kansas. I do remember anything about his college career there.

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Because the CFL requires so many Canadian born players in each team and he was born there he will be on a CFL roster for as long as he wants.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I remember the days when Josh Stanford and Demitri Knowles were arguably our best receivers. What a time to be alive that was. Nothing but love for Knowles but not sure how those two ended up being leading receivers on a decent to good ACC team

#crootin

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Didnt see eye to eye:

Fuente: I need you to block
McMillian: But I run the ball
Fuente: But when we pass the ball I need you to block
McMillian: I'm am the running back, not the blocking back, it's not in my job description
Fuente: Running back is a title not a description
McMillian: RUN-NING BACK.

NFL: I need you to block

Why, are NFL running backs primarily used for blocking & not running???

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No, but sometimes they do need to block, and when they do, it's sort of important. Not every play is a running play.

Then go empty

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Telegraph to defense on every play???

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Fair enough. On running plays, take all the receivers and the quarterback off the field.

Like when Fuente puts hooker and QP in and my mom knows it's going to be a run? Weird how accurate to real life your attempt at sarcasm is.

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QP had two plays that I would bet my life on were throws one he missed the open man the other he threw an incomplete pass. Since he only ran a total of like 12 plays while the odds were yes he was going to run they tried to mix in some throws for the kid.

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we don't do that for E V E R Y running play?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

If a RB can't block then he's not going to see the field very much in the NFL. In college it might be worth the big play ability but pro teams can't afford to telegraph what type of play they're calling because of personnel. Some pro teams might have the patience for a truly elite playmaker to develop for a year or two but backs who were skilled runners in college are a dime a dozen in the pros.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Bad to mediocre QBs are now signing 10M contracts in the NFL. The market for QBs in the league has exploded, a decent BACKUP in the NFL will cost you 5-6M per year. When a team is investing that much money in a player, you better make sure to pick up that block.

McMillan: But coach, I have already screwed up my knee and shortened my career. Blocking is something that puts me at much more risk of re-injury and I'm not carrying the ball often enough to show off my talent and get me in the NFL. The risk/reward just isn't there.

Fuente: Good point but my offense requires a blocking RB/HB. Maybe you can find another team that more aligns with your goal as a ball player. I can understand that, I'll give you all the support you need.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Your logic isn't welcome here sir

Anytime there is coaching changes there are kids who just don't fit with the new coaching staff. Nothing to see here imo.

Correct.

Most VT fans just not used to seeing head coach changes.

I think it depends on the type/significance of change. Case in point: reduction in usage of McMillan leading to his transfer: pretty significant change.

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You know, with all this talk of tailbacks having to block, gotta wonder what the o-line, TEs & FBs jobs are🤔🤔🤔

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Since you asked... a lot of pro teams no longer roster a FB and TEs have been trending toward pass catchers. As a result, it's even more critical for RBs to be able to block since the TE is running a route and the RB is often alone in the backfield and responsible for picking up blitzes.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Go back and look at the VT-Clemson game in 2016. Score is 42-35 with VT driving deep in Clemson territory. Evans throws an interception to end the threat and Clemson goes on to win. If you look at that play, you'll see McMillian completely whiffed on picking up the blitz, forcing a bad throw from Evans. I'm convinced that was the beginning of the end of his time in Blacksburg.

I do remember that, but I think it more had to do with Venables his play calling, our O-Line than McMillan. It was a heck of a play call. I think it was a delayed blitz where one of their guys got through easily and then the linebacker had a delayed blitz for an open shot on Evans. Not really a fair example for McMillans lack of blocking ability.

Yeah that play he had to make a lose-lose choice between two different linebackers who both came through unblocked. If he stonewalled one the other would have still gotten home.

that play he had to make a lose-lose choice between two different linebackers who both came through unblocked. If he stonewalled one the other would have still gotten home.

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Point is he didn't block either one

Just because he whiffed doesn't mean he didn't make an effort to block. It was just an unsuccessful effort. I get the vibe that a number of folks hold him responsible for losing that game (which is incorrect).

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I don't hold him responsible for losing that game, I picked that as an example of one of his blocking failures, that I believe is the one that stuck in Fuente's mind the most. I've been trying to find the article where there was a Fuente quote about being one block away, or words to that effect, from being in position to win that game.

But, in any event, the larger point I'm trying to make is that blocking is part of being a running back. That's all.

I agree (as stated before) that blocking is an important skill needed/required by backs. I disagree that it holds greater/equal value to rushing YDS & TDs (in fact, I put receiving ability above blocking for backs). If Fuente actually said that (about being one block away), that's kind of shady and borderline tossing one of your most talented players under the bus for losing the game. Fuente should've had the foresight to recognize (earlier in the season) that blocking wasn't McMillan's forte, & on that play, sent out Peoples to block one of the defenders (since it was obviously going to be a passing play). Of course, that still leaves an additional defender unaccounted for. So, who was supposed to pick the other guy up??
If Fuente did make such a comment, then I feel it didn't age very well, since McMillan left, the team's record has gotten worse. Who knows? Might've won a couple more games with dragon in the backfield. Just sayin

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Might've won a couple more games with dragon in the backfield. Just sayin

This is a massive stretch. Cincinnati is the most likely game to change since Peoples and McClease went out but in 4 games we lost by 3+ scores and the running backs had a great day against ODU. Also to correlate the W/L record with McMillian versus this past season is preposterous. The offense statistically improved from last season (including the rushing game). I don't understand how it's not obvious that the defense going from a top 20 unit to a bottom 20 unit is primary reason for our struggles this year.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Fair or not, he's gotta deal with it. Part of the job.

The offense statistically improved from last season (including the rushing game).

I will neither deny nor argue against that fact. I acknowledge it. Unfortunately, they didn't improve enough.

the defense going from a top 20 unit to a bottom 20 unit is primary reason for our struggles this year.

I can acknowledge it as ONE of the primary reasons, but not solely the primary reason.

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Fun starts at 2:33

Yes, he absolutely whiffs but only on one LB. Also looks like he was completely out of position to begin with. Regardless of his position it was a great call by Venables, plus the entire O-line got manhandled on that play and it's unlikely Evans would have been able to make a play regardless since he was under pressure from the start.

I'm sorry, you're right. I guess I assigned more value to his 5.3 YPC & his 2 TDs (which helped bridge the gap in the score deficit). But no, you're right. If McMillan had correctly picked up that block, there's absolutely ZERO chance Evans doesn't complete the pass & ZERO chance we don't score the TD & the 2 pt conversion. I mean Evans' TD/INT ratio for that whole game was 1/2. But you're correct. That one whiffed block means more than his 2 TDs.

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When you have a new coach, you have to get on board with the program.

I question how much Fuente actually tried to work with him on improving his blocking [there. I said it ]. Also counterpoint: gotta coach to the players' strengths, use the weapons you already have, build upon & strengthen them (translation: GIVE MCMILLAN THE DANG ROCK).

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Well first, wouldn't it actually be Burden's job to coach him to block... you know, as the RB coach?

I liked Travon but you seem really caught up on a player listed as the 30th best draft eligible running back by Walter Camp (he projects in the 6th rounder to UDFA range). Yes he had a 1000 yard season at Colorado but if you look at the entire season it tells an interesting story. He had 100 yard games in 4 of their first 5 and then once the competition improved, he managed only one 100 yard game in the last 7. I wish him the best but let's not make him out to be Christian McCaffrey.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

wouldn't it actually be Burden's job to coach him to block... you know, as the RB coach?

And that therein lies a big part of the problem. I'm with fern in that Zohn has absolutely ZERO biz as a tailbacks coach. He played WR. He's (originally) coached WR & should remain as such. Any blocking ability on the part of the tailbacks that he teaches would primarily be from the perspective of a WR blocking (which is NOT the same as a tailback blocking). So, in a way, it kinda furthers the point that the coaching staff should've (& could've) done better with McMillan.

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And the second (and much larger) part of that post? He was good. He wasn't a world beater on his own. You see sure that the problem is the coaches, rather than the player, for no apparent reason other than his YPC in Beamer's last season? And even if that is true, it's really hard to imagine one tailback making a difference this season.

You see sure that the problem is the coaches, rather than the player

I say it's both.

it's really hard to imagine one tailback making a difference this season.

Well we're never gonna know one way or the other because a) the season's over & b) Fuente essentially chased him outta 'burg.

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When you are a new coach, you'd have more support being open and embracing

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As a fan, I'm open and embracing towards the coach who is rebuilding the team.

Also as a fan, I want a coach who's going to make the decisions that prioritize winning

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Me too. I'm all for finding RBs who will protect the QB.

And I'm all for coaches that prioritize yards & TDs over blocking so that they'll have the best chance when it comes time for them to go pro (which is best for the program).

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If every single one of your QBs gets killed because the RBs don't block for them when it's a passing play, you aren't helping the RB go pro. In fact, you're essentially pointing out that the RB doesn't have what it takes to go pro. Getting wins is best for the program, not just trying to get yards and TDs for an RB. Otherwise, we should just run a triple option offense if all we should prioritze is yards and TDs.

If every single one of your QBs gets killed because the RBs don't block for them when it's a passing play

I have a feeling that there are a number of passing plays that don't require a RB to block. And in any case, the coaches need to work with the back on his blocking techniques, vice versa.

Getting wins is best for the program

And besides passing and having RBs block, what's another way to do that? You sound like someone that believes that a running back's blocking techniques are more important than the ability to gain yds & TDs. Talk about being one-dimensional.

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You sound like someone that believes that a running back's blocking techniques are more important than the ability to gain yds & TDs.

No, I sound like someone who knows that RBs have to do more than just run to gain yards and TDs in order for the team to succeed.

RBs have to do more than just run to gain yards and TDs in order for the team to succeed.

That's something I agree with you on. I'm NOT saying that an RBs ability to block ISN'T important. I simply maintain that it is LESS important than the ability to pick up yds & TDs.

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Which pro teams use RBs that dont/can't block?

McMillan can block. It's just not his strongest technique. And while it's important, thousand yd seasons, plus ypc & TDs are sexier stats that are assigned greater value by NFL scouts as well as the draft positions.

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And when your $10+M QB gets killed because the RB doesn't block for him, tell me how sexy those stats look to management.

And when your $10+M QB gets killed because the RB doesn't block for him

That's a pretty broad generalization. First off, I'd start with the line as it is their primary assignment. Second, QB needs to get rid of the ball or get the heck outta the pocket & pick up yds. It really depends on the TYPE of QB you've got, and less on the RBs blocking ability.

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Believe whatever you want to believe. It's all the QBs fault. Sure.

I watched McMillian whiff a block on a blitzing LB against Miami and JJ got killed. If you think that didn't have ANY effect on our team, then nothing I or anyone else can say is worth further discussion.

It's all the QBs fault

First off, I neither said nor insinuated that, so, no. Secondly, it was Fu/Corn's decision to put McMillan out there to block, rather than to rush or catch instead of Peoples. Of course it affected our season, but JJ was already not performing to the level the team needed him to on the field in order for us to win that game (or a number of others). Facts.

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it was Fu/Corn's decision to put McMillan out there to block, rather than to rush or catch instead of Peoples.

Because as soon as you put a running back out there who only runs never blocks or catches the defense has a damn good idea of what's coming.

Your entire series of responses is a master class in backpedaling and failing to grasp the premise of what you're arguing for.

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Because as soon as you put a running back out there who only runs never blocks or catches the defense has a damn good idea of what's coming.

Then put out a different set or formation. Fu is supposed to be an O guru. That's what he was hired for.

Your entire series of responses is a master class in backpedaling and failing to grasp the premise of what you're arguing for.

You know, other folks may probably agree with your assessment. And that's fine. I disagree. I view it more as clarification and understanding, not backpedaling.

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Then put out a different set or formation. Fu is supposed to be an O guru. That's what he was hired for.

Then you end up with something I like to call the Stinespring Effect. The formation telegraphs the playcall to the defense, because again if the running back on the field only runs, then the defense can reasonably assume that they're about to defend a run. The formation doesn't change that.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Well then if the entire offensive playbook if contingent upon on one tailback's lacking ability to effectively pick up a block I'm sorry. From my perspective (limited as it is) that's kinda pathetic and more reflective of the inventiveness and creativity of playcalling than one lone player. Yes, the tailback needs to get better at blocking, but the success of the entire offensive unit should not be solely contingent upon it. That seems one dimensional to me.

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Every single offense in football is predicated on every player doing their job on every play. See our lack of success on WR screens and sweeps torpedoed by bad perimeter blocking by WRs for another example. Settling for a sub par blocker who gets the ball carrier killed does you as much harm as hamstringing yourself by taking that play out all together because your player can't block. Getting someone on the field who can execute that block keeps the playbook open and threatens the defense with that possibility on every down.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Getting someone on the field who can execute that block keeps the playbook open and threatens the defense with that possibility on every down.

It has the potential to, not the guarantee.

Every single offense in football is predicated on every player doing their job on every play.

Agreed. But that's why there needs to be contingency plans & plays in place, in case a player is struggling with an aspect of the game (other than throwing them under the bus, in the doghouse or running them off campus & out of the 'burg).

See our lack of success on WR screens and sweeps torpedoed by bad perimeter blocking by WRs for another example. Settling for a sub par blocker who gets the ball carrier killed does you as much harm as hamstringing yourself by taking that play out all together because your player can't block.

Also agree, though I must point out that there has been less emphasis & noise made about this than McMillan.

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Getting someone on the field who can execute that block keeps the playbook open and threatens the defense with that possibility on every down.

It has the potential to, not the guarantee.

This is a non-point. It doesn't matter whether or not it's guaranteed. Hell, nothing is guaranteed. It matters that it's a possibility. When you show the opposing team that something is no longer a possibility than you only hurt yourself.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Agreed (unless you're showing the opposing team that it's impossible for THEM to do something, lol).

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QB needs to get rid of the ball or get the heck outta the pocket & pick up yds. It really depends on the TYPE of QB you've got, and less on the RBs blocking ability.

You are literally saying this is on the QB.

JJ was already not performing to the level the team needed him to on the field in order for us to win that game (or a number of others). Facts.

JJ was 7-1 (3-1 ACC) going into that game with the loss to Clemson. He finished the season 9-4 as a starter, and didn't play most of the UNC game. His level of play fell after getting hurt against Miami. I'm pretty sure he was performing to the level the team needed in order for us to win. FACTS.

QB needs to get rid of the ball or get the heck outta the pocket & pick up yds. It really depends on the TYPE of QB you've got, and less on the RBs blocking ability.

You are literally saying this is on the QB.

Incorrect. I was merely insinuating that there are things a QB can/needs to do in order to not take a hit that aren't contingent upon an RBs blocking ability.

JJ was already not performing to the level the team needed him to on the field in order for us to win that game (or a number of others). Facts.

JJ was 7-1 (3-1 ACC) going into that game with the loss to Clemson. He finished the season 9-4 as a starter, and didn't play most of the UNC game. His level of play fell after getting hurt against Miami. I'm pretty sure he was performing to the level the team needed in order for us to win. FACTS.

Again, you are misquoting me. I specifically said for THAT GAME. I didn't for the SEASON AS A WHOLE.

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JJ was already not performing to the level the team needed him to on the field in order for us to win that game (or a number of others). Facts.

Again, you are misquoting me. I specifically said for THAT GAME. I didn't for the SEASON AS A WHOLE.

For the love of Frank Beamer! I am using YOUR quotes and you are saying I'm misquoting you?!

JJ was 7-1 (3-1 ACC) going into that game with the loss to Clemson. He finished the season 9-4 as a starter, and didn't play most of the UNC game. His level of play fell after getting hurt against Miami. I'm pretty sure he was performing to the level the team needed in order for us to win. FACTS.

That seemed like you were inferring that I was making a blanket statement about JJ for the season as a whole (by what I originally said). I was simply pointing out that for that single game (just the Miami game) JJ was NOT performing at the level needed to win. If you think he was performing at the level needed to win THAT game, well then we're kind of at an impasse on that one.

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Me:

His level of play fell after getting hurt against Miami.

You:

I was simply pointing out that for that single game (just the Miami game) JJ was NOT performing at the level needed to win. If you think he was performing at the level needed to win THAT game, well then we're kind of at an impasse on that one.

Me:

Well if you're inferring that JJs level of play deteriorated after being injured during the Miami game, I agree.

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thousand yd seasons, plus ypc & TDs are sexier stats that are assigned greater value by NFL scouts as well as the draft positions.

While I'll concede those are sexier stats for fans, I'm really curious how exactly you came to the conclusion that they are of greater value to the pro teams

You mean in terms of the "NFL scouts" inference?? While draft reviews of tailbacks may pay lip service to their blocking ability, what's usually the 1st thing mentioned when reviewing them: yds & TDs.

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I think the point he is making is that he was 1-dimensional in the offense that made him an asset (to your point) and a liability. This gave opposing defenses better reads into how to evaluate our sets (especially in passing situations).

I don't know if that play is the perfect example, but there are dozens of others that are examples of his unwillingness to protect others with the ball. I don't care who is evaluating him - he better block in today's game.

Sarcasm appreciated. Where did I say his running the ball or TDs didn't matter? Those are obviously great things. Fuente wants a complete back who can run, catch and yes, block.

And I NEVER (throughout my entire comments on this thread) said that a running back doesn't need to block. I just simply emphasized that a running back's blocking ability does not carry greater or equal value than the ability to gain yds & TDs.

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Had you just said that, I think you'd have found a lot of agreement here.

But part of being on a team is that you have to work with the coaches. If a player couldn't do that then, "It was not a good fit."

He participated in Fuente's 1st two seasons. You can't convince that McMillan didn't try to make it work.

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Honestly, I don't think anyone can convince you of anything on this topic.

I agree that blocking is a skill needed/required of backs. I disagree that it holds greater/equal value to rushing YDS + TDs (in fact, I would put it below receiving abilities too).

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You can probably stop making that argument, since nobody is arguing that.

I hear you. I just felt like it needed mentioning since it seemed nobody else was.

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I really dont know anybody that had said blocking is more important than running. You are making that up in your head. What you are clearly not understanding is that being a horrible blocker is a problem. If he could just be a mediocre blocker it would be ok.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

The reason I bring it up is because some folks are hammering away at the "poor blocking" thing while not highlighting his attributes. If it had been more equal (or if someone else brought up the points I did), then I probably wouldn't have felt the need to present (& reiterate) it.

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If I remember correctly, that game was only close because Clemson called off the dogs in that game.

Is it basketball season yet?

I guess they did when it was 35-14 but they had to turn it back on, we were literally twenty five yards away from equalizing (or going for two like Fuente said he would have done). It was a weird game, but it's not fair to say it was just "calling off the dogs" when we almost won. They pulled a lot of shit out of the bag on their final TD drive.

Agreed. "Calling off the dogs" is not even close - ask Clemson or rewatch the game. Vt had the call with a chance to tie or win driving down the field and got to inside the 25 after being virtually unstoppable on the previous couple of drives. Clemson played extremely tough and ended up winning, but any implication that the score was close and the game wasn't at the end is simply false.

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He is a good I formation throwback running back whose main job does not involve blocking. Classic Beamer O. Not running out of the spread and having to block 50% of the time. Just not a fit with new offense. And many NFL teams are going to a spread style as well.

Say what you want and it's water under the bridge, but when McMillian was here and a hand off to the running back went more than 8 yards, he was carrying the ball. I know Fuente is perfectly happy with Rogers and Peoples back there but what we need and haven't had is that "extra" gear from a RB. McMillian had that.

Think about if you were the VP of a sales team, and one sales manager consistently had high sales, but he was known for being late to meetings, and never filed his expense reports on time. It's annoying as a manager, but it also has an effect on the rest of the team that sees the rules don't always apply the same.

I honestly think this is a poor comparison, but that's just me.

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If I were VP of the sales team and it has been 10 years since I found/hired a closer that could close a huge exciting deal quickly and not simply methodically close small deals, I would do whatever I could to find another "big" closer. Those guys win "games". If the big closer is late for a rubber chicken lunch, I'm good.

your example is over inflating McMillians ability. He's not an exceptional RB in any way shape or form. He's an above average RB when it comes to carrying the ball, and below average when it comes to blocking.

Some basic competency at all the fundamentals are required , regardless of how well other things are done.

My point is that David Wilson was the last home run hitter RB, and we desperately need another one. If Fuente's committee approach had us in the top 10 in offense and actually scoring points in the 3rd quarter of games, I would shut up. But the offense - while improved- still lacks an explosive threat at the RB position. That's why we run the called QB draw a bunch on 3rd down. With David Wilson back there, you give it to him.

Orion - Best point of the day. Unless you are elite in a certain area (and even then many times) you can't be a liability in key fundamentals. This limits play-calling, gets guys hurt, forces you to sub at possibly the most inopportune times and the biggest issue - makes you a worse team.

His issue wasn't he wasn't coached on this - it was pure "want-to". He didn't want to block and it showed.

His issue wasn't he wasn't coached on this - it was pure "want-to". He didn't want to block and it showed.

Ok, and what exactly are you basing this off of??

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To your actual point:

Travon in 201 attempts had 26 runs of 10+ yards, and 8 runs of 20+ yards
Link to source: http://www.cfbstats.com/2018/player/157/1065954/rushing/situational.html

Peoples in 158 attempts had 20 runs of 10+ yards, and 5 runs of 20+ yards.
Link to source: http://www.cfbstats.com/2018/player/742/1073655/rushing/situational.html

So yes, Travon had more big runs but statistically not much of a difference given the discrepancy in the number of rushing attempts. Interestingly enough (or maybe not) Travon's longest run was 75 yards and Peoples' was 87 yards.

Using real numbers that tell the actual story:

All you basically did was confirm that T-Mac is the superior and more NFL desireable back.

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How? I honestly don't think either will be very desirable by the NFL, but the difference in the averages is negligible. I would also have much more faith in Peoples picking up a 3rd and 3 or protecting my qb on a blitz.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

I would also have much more faith in Peoples picking up a 3rd and 3 or protecting my qb on a blitz.

I can give ya the blitz, but sorry, not the 3rd & 3. I'm afraid Peoples comes up just short [see what I did there].

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Kinda like that gif you've selected?

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In 2018, Peoples averaged 4.97 yards a carry and Travon averaged 5.02. That's five hundredths of a yard difference.

Of the 2, which busted the thousand yd barrier & scored more TDs? Also, which one has the higher NFL draft stock??

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All that means Travon got more carries. Love Travon and wish him the best and will be thrilled if he makes it to the NFL. But stop acting like Fuente ran Saquon Barkley out of town and that Travon had some statistically amazing season. The stats show Peoples was just as effective of a runner. Sorry that doesn't your never-ending rant on this topic.

The stats show Peoples was just as effective of a runner in ypc, not total yds & TDs.

FTFY. Also, never said anything about Barkley.

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A bit of logic on this particular situation would serve you well. Had Peoples gotten the carries that T-Mac got, the numbers likely would have been very similar.

Is it basketball season yet?

Then I can use that line of thinking for when T-Mac was still here. Bottom line, Peoples didn't & scouts don't go off of woulda shouldas very often. Game-set-match: T-Mac.

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Is it basketball season yet?

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Awesome... and totally not related to my point.

Which is why it wasn't a reply to your post.

Not sure what your deal is to be honest.

My "deal" is that I wrote what I wrote? why the looking for an alterior motive? Average YPC is literally the opposite of my point about McMillian.

Your deal is that he didn't reply to you, but you made sure to let him know that his not-reply wasn't related to what you posted. I suppose it wouldn't bother you if he posted nonsequiturs in your threads about how what you're posting has nothing to do with what he posted about somewhere else.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Edit: Removed due to apology below, no worries, it happens. Cheers.

Sorry, my mistake.